Super Bowl Sunday (November version)

[KabeX]

So here we are. It's another Super Bowl for our former pseudo-rivals.

Don't have a good feeling about this one. BUT

We have a chance at a November tournament championship
Against a quality opponent
With a good coach
And the most delusional obnoxious fans around

Zip em up!

[Emp]

Bring it, Flyers. There is a litany which need not be recited here .... Why do we hate thee? Don't ask us to recite the ways we gag in our mouth at the mention. Really classy group of fans.

Good team, were better.

The mythical Miami Valley championship deserves a sweep from this team.

[KabeX]

Exactly the kind of reaction I was looking for. I agree. Bring it!


Bring it, Flyers. There is a litany which need not be recited here .... Why do we hate thee? Don't ask us to recite the ways we gag in our mouth at the mention. Really classy group of fans.

Good team, were better.

The mythical Miami Valley championship deserves a sweep from this team.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Not a single player on either team has logged a minute against the other. Crazy. Farr, Myles, and Jalen were all on the roster last time with only Farr active but he did not play.

Oh PS, check out our roster that game! It is light years better now, not even close. Landon Amos and Erik Stenger were #'s 8 and 9 on our bench and logged a combined 16mins. Yikes.

[OTRMUSKIE]

VD barely beat Monmouth, Iowa and William and Mary. Those are decent teams but we are X. We don't lose to A-10 teams we destroy them. Dayton is well coached but that's it. Screw The Humpers and their Elite 8. They will hold on to that title for another 50 years and talk about how great a program they are because they went to the elite 8 in 2013. This is their last year of relevance before Miller Jr heads to OSU. With that said I bring to you the video that defines that team up north to a T. http://youtu.be/in46UvidK1s

[xubrew]

Not a single player on either team has logged a minute against the other. Crazy. Farr, Myles, and Jalen were all on the roster last time with only Farr active but he did not play.

Oh PS, check out our roster that game! It is light years better now, not even close. Landon Amos and Erik Stenger were #'s 8 and 9 on our bench and logged a combined 16mins. Yikes.

Most of the guys who played in the Maryland v Georgetown game weren't even born the last time those two played.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Grossly enough UD has the most recent win in the series. I am glad we can right that wrong Sunday.

[bobbiemcgee]

Vd is a bunch of thugs. Hope the Watermeloners get everyone out on parole for the game. Don't let your teenager drink around them. Make sure your hotel room is locked and the kids don't wake up to them rifling thru your belongings. And, by all means, make sure they never vote you into their hall of fame:

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/sports/college-basketball/verbal-abuse-of-macks-worse-than-first-thought/nWXc6/

[SemajParlor]

Just another opponent that we will be favored against and should beat.

[GIMMFD]

I hope we beat the living hell out of the them, I mean absolutely take them to the woodshed. I have complete faith that we should be fired up and ready to go for this one, and assert our dominance as Ohio's best.

[MuskieXU]

As someone who didnt go to Xavier, this "rivalry" has never totally made sense to me. Half of Xavier hates Dayton with a burning passion. The other half doesnt seem to really care that much. Half thinks we need the game back on the schedule. Half says we're on to bigger and better things. Im not totally sure what to expect on Sunday but if we play a solid game I think we win.

[xubrew]

As someone who didnt go to Xavier, this "rivalry" has never totally made sense to me. Half of Xavier hates Dayton with a burning passion. The other half doesnt seem to really care that much. Half thinks we need the game back on the schedule. Half says we're on to bigger and better things. Im not totally sure what to expect on Sunday but if we play a solid game I think we win.

The internet community hates Dayton, and several hate them so much that they hate the idea of even playing them. I believe the vast majority of general or casual fans who don't frequent the message boards like the rivalry and want the game back for the simple reason that playing them is a lot more fun than playing most other teams.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I hope we beat the living hell out of the them, I mean absolutely take them to the woodshed. I have complete faith that we should be fired up and ready to go for this one, and assert our dominance as Ohio's best.

How fired up do you guys think the players of each team will be? Not one has ever logged a minute against the other. I guess Jalen, Myles, and Jimmy have been on a team that has played UD so they know the intensity of the game. No one from UD does. How many games has Archie coached against XU? I'm sure Mack will get the team in the right mindset to play UD. Is there a lot of players from the two teams that have played with or against each other maybe? That could bring some intensity. It will be interesting. The fans of both will definitely be fired up!

[Blue Blobs Bro]

You gotta think Mack wants this game pretty bad after what happened last time he was there.

[MuskieXU]

You gotta think Mack wants this game pretty bad after what happened last time he was there.

Would love to be a fly on the wall inside both locker rooms to hear what is being said before the game.

[Porkopolis]

Speaking of delusional...

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?110039-2015-2016-Dayton-Flyers&p=3386588&viewfull=1#post3386588

[Strange Brew]

You gotta think Mack wants this game pretty bad after what happened last time he was there.

What happened last time? Couldn't have been a negative experience since UD has BY FAR the classiest fan base in sports history.

[xubrew]

How fired up do you guys think the players of each team will be? Not one has ever logged a minute against the other. I guess Jalen, Myles, and Jimmy have been on a team that has played UD so they know the intensity of the game. No one from UD does. How many games has Archie coached against XU? I'm sure Mack will get the team in the right mindset to play UD. Is there a lot of players from the two teams that have played with or against each other maybe? That could bring some intensity. It will be interesting. The fans of both will definitely be fired up!

I don't think it'll be all that intense. They're playing at Disney World!! The Happy Children's Place!! It's not a conference game, and it's being played in front of hundreds of drunk and happy tourists, not thousands of crazed and excited fans. It's actually kind of a shame because it'll be a poor representation of what it used to be. It'll also give a bunch of ammo to those who don't want the game because they can just say "See, it doesn't matter anymore. There were barely any fans there, and the ones who were there didn't care."

I'm not comparing this to Maryland v Georgetown, because there are a few planets in between when it comes to bitterness and intensity. But, it had been 22 years since those two had played, and the build up for it was huge. None of the players were even born the last time those two played, and that was the most intense game and atmosphere that I think I've ever seen in a game that was played in November. Had they played at a children's theme park the way XU and UD are, it wouldn't have been like that at all. Whereas the GTown v Maryland game had months of build up, this one will have had hours of build up.

Yes, we're playing Dayton, but we're playing them at a theme park in an OOC game that really doesn't have any stakes to it. It's a good win against a good team away from home for the winner, but the loser will be just fine. It won't knock them down the standings, and it will barely bruise their ego because there will be so few fans there that the whole intense rivalry component won't come into play.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Just the crap that was said about Macks wife. Trust me this game will be a cake walk. VD is getting by these teams while X is blowing by these teams. This should be our easiest win yet. X by 28 Why oh Why does this game have to be played. I thought we popped that zit 4 years ago why is it back?

[OTRMUSKIE]

Disagree Brew, it will be sold out with thousand of fans, most of them being Dayton. That place will sound louder than any arena. This will be a championship atmosphere. I expect Jalen to get a Tech. I expect a lot of fouls and I expect to hear that stupid chant goooooooo VD flyers.

[bjf123]

While it's true that for the players on both teams, it's just another game, that's not the case for the fans. I agree with OTR; the place will be packed with delusional UD fans who will view this as their Super Bowl. They'll see it as a chance to show the Big East that they took the wrong team from SW Ohio. Let's just say I'm concerned about this game, and don't see it as the cakewalk others are saying, especially given our recent performance in these exempt tournaments.


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[GIMMFD]

How fired up do you guys think the players of each team will be? Not one has ever logged a minute against the other. I guess Jalen, Myles, and Jimmy have been on a team that has played UD so they know the intensity of the game. No one from UD does. How many games has Archie coached against XU? I'm sure Mack will get the team in the right mindset to play UD. Is there a lot of players from the two teams that have played with or against each other maybe? That could bring some intensity. It will be interesting. The fans of both will definitely be fired up!

I think they'll be fired up purely for the fact that it's "Dayton", names play a big part, so even not knowing the intensity of the games, the pure hate that stems from the game, knowing it's someone you're supposed to hate, just puts that as a mindset. I know it's not remotely the same but in high school, for teams we didn't play often, that still despised us or vice versa, you couldn't help but to be ready to go knowing they're the next game on the schedule. If that makes any sense at all lol.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Only reason I am saying it will be a cakewalk is because I want it to be. I know for a fact that Gayton will be pumped up. This is their last go around to be relevant in the BBall world and they want to go out with a bang. Do you guys think this game will have a huge impact on VD getting a Big East invite? Because of how inbred their fan base is do you think Xavier and the Big East say "Hell Nah"

[Xavier]

I don't care one way or the other if Xavier plays Dayton every year. Looking forward to the game is fun but in past couple years I haven't felt like I've been missing out on anything without the game.

[xubrew]

Disagree Brew, it will be sold out with thousand of fans, most of them being Dayton. That place will sound louder than any arena. This will be a championship atmosphere. I expect Jalen to get a Tech. I expect a lot of fouls and I expect to hear that stupid chant goooooooo VD flyers.

It may be big by exempt game standards, but it won't be anything like what it was when we played regularly on campus. It's Thanksgiving Weekend at Disney World. The Big Heads of the presidents won't be there. The student sections won't be there. No one is camping out to get in. Hell, no one is showing up an hour before the doors open to get in. It's not the same. It's not even close. The internet pissing matches will be intense, but that will be the only component of this that's even remotely the same.

[Bmuskie]

For those that are attending the game Tomorrow I implore you to please, please, please be careful. We know what the UD fans did to the Macks a few years ago. We have also all heard of or (for some of us) been a part of very very bad behavior by the UD faithful including (but not limited to) physical violence.
Whatever you do, be careful, travel in packs, root hard for Xavier, be positive and whatever you do, don't sink to their level.

[bleedXblue]

Disagree Brew, it will be sold out with thousand of fans, most of them being Dayton. That place will sound louder than any arena. This will be a championship atmosphere. I expect Jalen to get a Tech. I expect a lot of fouls and I expect to hear that stupid chant goooooooo VD flyers.

yes this

[Murph85]

VD barely beat Monmouth, Iowa and William and Mary. Those are decent teams but we are X. We don't lose to A-10 teams we destroy them. Dayton is well coached but that's it. Screw The Humpers and their Elite 8. They will hold on to that title for another 50 years and talk about how great a program they are because they went to the elite 8 in 2013. This is their last year of relevance before Miller Jr heads to OSU. With that said I bring to you the video that defines that team up north to a T. http://youtu.be/in46UvidK1s

Miller is not preordained for OSU. Cream just crapped the bed twice in Hawaii.

[D-West & PO-Z]

It may be big by exempt game standards, but it won't be anything like what it was when we played regularly on campus. It's Thanksgiving Weekend at Disney World. The Big Heads of the presidents won't be there. The student sections won't be there. No one is camping out to get in. Hell, no one is showing up an hour before the doors open to get in. It's not the same. It's not even close. The internet pissing matches will be intense, but that will be the only component of this that's even remotely the same.

Actually I think I read something online that the seats might be first come first serve? Anyone there know if that is true? I read there were like 500 UD fans waiting in line and hour or two before to get best seats. I think I saw it on their board.

[bobbiemcgee]

Disagree Brew, it will be sold out with thousand of fans, most of them being Dayton. That place will sound louder than any arena. This will be a championship atmosphere. I expect Jalen to get a Tech. I expect a lot of fouls and I expect to hear that stupid chant goooooooo VD flyers.

Capacity is 4800 or so. Compare with 18k plus in Omaha. I've been to Orlando several times. Not that loud. Macura will definitely get T'd up imho.

[xubrew]

Capacity is 4800 or so. Compare with 18k plus in Omaha. I've been to Orlando several times. Not that loud. Macura will definitely get T'd up imho.

EXACTLY!!

Is this discussion really happening?? People went ape shit about how moving the Crosstown Shootout three miles away to US Bank ruined the game and the atmosphere. Disney World is 900 miles away. The atmosphere at this game won't be nearly as hostile or intense as it would be if it were on campus. Not even CLOSE!! It won't be anything like it would be if we were going to UD Arena, or if they were coming to the Cintas Center. It's a watered down version at best of what the atmosphere and intensity of the game would be like if it were on campus. Do people actually think otherwise??

[bobbiemcgee]

For those that are attending the game Tomorrow I implore you to please, please, please be careful. We know what the UD fans did to the Macks a few years ago. We have also all heard of or (for some of us) been a part of very very bad behavior by the UD faithful including (but not limited to) physical violence.
Whatever you do, be careful, travel in packs, root hard for Xavier, be positive and whatever you do, don't sink to their level.

Yeah, Worried about HOF'er Christi Mack and the kids. Hope they assign extra security. Maybe the kids just don't need to hear the abuse and should stay away since most of the "ghetto" will be there. Half of their starting line-up last year was rapists and thugs.

[Section 200]

It may be big by exempt game standards, but it won't be anything like what it was when we played regularly on campus. It's Thanksgiving Weekend at Disney World. The Big Heads of the presidents won't be there. The student sections won't be there. No one is camping out to get in. Hell, no one is showing up an hour before the doors open to get in. It's not the same. It's not even close. The internet pissing matches will be intense, but that will be the only component of this that's even remotely the same.

We get it, you love UD, probably more than Xavier. UD fans have been dreaming for the chance to play Xavier. We would be better off playing a team like Iowa or Notre Dame who don't have a special passion for Xavier but are a good team to play.

We have enough emotion with the UC game, and its been good to reduce the emotion games down from 3 per year to 1 per year. We want the players focused on assignments and plays, not all the other crap that they will be part of until the this game is over.

[XUFan09]

We get it, you love UD, probably more than Xavier. UD fans have been dreaming for the chance to play Xavier. We would be better off playing a team like Iowa or Notre Dame who don't have a special passion for Xavier but are a good team to play.

We have enough emotion with the UC game, and its been good to reduce the emotion games down from 3 per year to 1 per year. We want the players focused on assignments and plays, not all the other crap that they will be part of until the this game is over.
Brew has fairly consistently emphasized that he loves rivalry games as part of college basketball. That game being removed from the schedule did take away one from Xavier.

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[bleedXblue]

EXACTLY!!

Is this discussion really happening?? People went ape shit about how moving the Crosstown Shootout three miles away to US Bank ruined the game and the atmosphere. Disney World is 900 miles away. The atmosphere at this game won't be nearly as hostile or intense as it would be if it were on campus. Not even CLOSE!! It won't be anything like it would be if we were going to UD Arena, or if they were coming to the Cintas Center. It's a watered down version at best of what the atmosphere and intensity of the game would be like if it were on campus. Do people actually think otherwise??

You said the game wasn't going to be intense b/c its in Orlando. Yes, I disagree with you. As intense as if it were on campus....of course not. But that's not what you said originally.

[Section 200]

Brew has fairly consistently emphasized that he loves rivalry games as part of college basketball. That game being removed from the schedule did take away one from Xavier.

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Losing the rivalry was a blessing! How often did we lose the next game after Dayton as the players were just mentally done. Our goals are to advance in the NCAA and win the conference. Having more than one rival divides focus away from these goals. UC was clearly our more important rival, so we picked them and moved on.

Plus, the UD rivalry was getting bitter as Dayton fans resented Xavier having the better program after a long stretch of UD being better. Two Catholic schools would be expected to have fans that treat each other much better and it was frankly an embarrassment to each school. While the Shootout is intense for a week, the UD rivalry was intense all season.

[Denver Muskie]

I'm going to drive over from Sarasota tomorrow. Is it really going to sell out? I have been told repeatedly to just show up and it would be easy to get a single ticket. Different now that Dayton is in the final?

[waggy]

A win over Dayton would be great for the RPI. Pomeroy thinks they're a decent team, but the RPI loves them.

[OTRMUSKIE]

5k in a highschool type arena can be a lot louder than 15k in an NBA arena. Sometimes the echoes just make it very very loud. This game tomorrow is more huge tha previous years and that's because when Dayton loses they have no idea when their next chance to get embarrassed by X will be. This game is a must win and a game I think X wins easily. We are playing an A-10 team for crying out loud. :lol:

[xubrew]

You said the game wasn't going to be intense b/c its in Orlando. Yes, I disagree with you. As intense as if it were on campus....of course not. But that's not what you said originally.

Fair enough, but I thought that was clearly what I meant. I did say that I thought it would be a poor representation of what it used to be. Since it used to be on campus, I figured that was a given.

[waggy]

Christi probably gives the pre-game speech for this one.

[xubrew]

We get it, you love UD, probably more than Xavier. UD fans have been dreaming for the chance to play Xavier. We would be better off playing a team like Iowa or Notre Dame who don't have a special passion for Xavier but are a good team to play.

We have enough emotion with the UC game, and its been good to reduce the emotion games down from 3 per year to 1 per year. We want the players focused on assignments and plays, not all the other crap that they will be part of until the this game is over.

Well, we didn't play Iowa or Notre Dame either, even though the rules would have allowed us to add the extra game. So....

I liked the series with Dayton. I guess I just like rivalry games against teams that are typically NIT caliber or better that we beat 75 percent of the time. It's also really backhanded to say that you don't think Xavier can handle the emotion of three rivalry games. I mean...DAMN! For elite programs like Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina, and Kansas, literally every road game they play is typically the biggest game on that team's schedule. If we can't handle it more than once, then let's pray we never become elite. Emotional games do way more good than harm, especially if losing it doesn't really set you back. Take Virginia, for instance.

[Backyard Champ]

I don't care one way or the other if Xavier plays Dayton every year. Looking forward to the game is fun but in past couple years I haven't felt like I've been missing out on anything without the game.

Pretty much this.

[X-band '01]

I just realized this today - Dayton's football team is actually playing in their first FCS football tournament (even as a non-scholarship team). That must suck for their football team to have their fans, cheerleaders and band decide to go to Orlando instead of staying at home. (And yes, they are actually hosting a 1st-round game against Western Illinois in the football stadium next to UD Arena). They actually get to play in a legitimate tournament instead of beating up on Division III teams.

[X-band '01]

It's pathetic I even know that, but I saw them listed on ESPN3 while I was looking for the tosu-Michigan game feed.

[XfansinKy]

I hope Xavier keeps playing like this is strictly a business trip. By now, every team we play knows beating X could be huge for tournament consideration. No difference for Dayton. Go in and run our sets good/great on both ends, play with execution not emotion, and X wins by 8-10 against a scrappy UD team. They're will be teams in the Big East coming at us harder than Dayton with more talent. If our boys just handle their business, not worrying about who the opponent is only that they are in the way, we win this tournament.

[Xville]

Some of you seriously sound like uc fans when x was in the a-10 and they were in the big east. Dayton is a damn good basketball team coached by a damn good coach. I hate dayton as much as the next fan, but some of that hate has caused serious delusion among you. To some of you we are duke and they are little sisters of the poor.

[XUGRAD80]

That's an insult to the sisters.....you where brought up better than that! :lol:

[OTRMUSKIE]

How many X fans are down there?

[OTRMUSKIE]

What is wrong with you? Dayton is a good team? :lol: We are just having fun I think most people know Dayton is good. It's just fun to poke fun of them. With that said they do play in the A-10 and suck.

[STL_XUfan]

A quick grammar note, you only capitalize proper places and dayton is certainly not a proper place.

[MuskiePimp23]

Brew has fairly consistently emphasized that he loves rivalry games as part of college basketball. That game being removed from the schedule did take away one from Xavier.

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I disagree. It took a rivalry away from gayton, but it added conference rivals for Xavier. Specifically Butler is our biggest conference rival in my opinion and our biggest rival has and always will be UC. The cryers whine about us not wanting to play them after the treatment and the fact that this game has always been meant a lot more to dayton because for some odd reason, they are hypocritical as hell and refuse to play their true natural rival, Wright St. Screw dayton. They left us for the Great Midwest many years ago and I for one, love the fact they are left out in the cold in the A-10. Once Archie Miller moves on to another program they will sink into an abyss that is that cesspool of dayton, Ohio. I never really cared about this rivalry growing up in Cincinnati, but the treatment by their fans at ud arena, Cintas Center, Cincinnati Gardens, and several other away venues I have watched these 2 in A-10 tourney's in Atlantic City at Boardwalk Hall and US Bank Arena, those people are batshit crazy and want so much to hate Xavier that it is almost like, screw these people, we need to have some serious intensity. Xavier lost a conference rival, but gained a much better one in Butler, one who has multiple NCAA wins and been to 2 championship games. Until dayton won a game a few years ago, they hadn't won an NCAA tourney game since 1990 and went to their first Elite Eight 2 years ago since 1984. Xavier has been relevant in the last 30 years of college basketball and Butler has really become relevant over the last 15. dayton has been largely irrelevant in the NCAA tourney and on the National Stage aside from a few years here and there, mixed in with very average and downright awful seasons. They have really only become relevant the last few years, because the best teams in the A-10 in Xavier, Temple, and Butler left, and they finally hired somebody who can coach, and had the insight to hire the brother of one of our best coaches at Xavier and someone in Sean Miller who has shown he can flat out coach. Their fans are delusional and I have never been treated worse by a visiting groups fans and that includes uc, and NFL football games at places like Cleveland and $shitsburg. Between Xavier and UC there is more of a healthy respect in my opinion. dayton does next to nothing every year for the past 30 and they want our respect and to be our rival. I saw screw them. There is no need to play them and give them any hope. Let their coach leave soon and watch them fall into complete college basketball obscurity.

[X-band '01]

Some of you seriously sound like uc fans when x was in the a-10 and they were in the big east. Dayton is a damn good basketball team coached by a damn good coach. I hate dayton as much as the next fan, but some of that hate has caused serious delusion among you. To some of you we are duke and they are little sisters of the poor.

Dayton's team plays like a major team, but their fanbase is mid-major. Strength in numbers? Yes. Delusional? Hell yes.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Dayton's team plays like a Mid Major, which they are, but their fanbase as delusional as they are is very good and honestly one of the best. Can't stand them or their team but I will give credit where credit is due. Their team sucks but give their fanbase a little credit.

[Cheesehead]

Anybody who thinks this is just another game is kidding themselves. Dayton wants to play X and they are not happy being left in the A-10. Be careful what you wish for, cryers. XU is the deeper team and has more talent. Their guards are decent but our bug men should own them. X should play like they expect to win and bring home a championship.

[TUclutch]

Only reason I am saying it will be a cakewalk is because I want it to be. I know for a fact that Gayton will be pumped up. This is their last go around to be relevant in the BBall world and they want to go out with a bang. Do you guys think this game will have a huge impact on VD getting a Big East invite? Because of how inbred their fan base is do you think Xavier and the Big East say "Hell Nah"

Why do people keep wondering if Dayton will get an invite? No team is gonna get an invite. The BE LOVES the complete round robin they currently have with 10 teams. I don't see the league adding anyone for 4-5 years minimum

[xdude]

As of today, Dayton's RPI is 6 while XU is 11. KenPom has Xavier at 18 and Dayton at 41. I think this team beats UD tomorrow. How handily they do it is yet to be seen...

[xubrew]

Why do people keep wondering if Dayton will get an invite? No team is gonna get an invite. The BE LOVES the complete round robin they currently have with 10 teams. I don't see the league adding anyone for 4-5 years minimum

I don't think we should add anyone unless two teams decide to leave. I'd much rather get rid of a team than add a team

[Section 200]

Well, we didn't play Iowa or Notre Dame either, even though the rules would have allowed us to add the extra game. So....

I liked the series with Dayton. I guess I just like rivalry games against teams that are typically NIT caliber or better that we beat 75 percent of the time. It's also really backhanded to say that you don't think Xavier can handle the emotion of three rivalry games. I mean...DAMN! For elite programs like Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina, and Kansas, literally every road game they play is typically the biggest game on that team's schedule. If we can't handle it more than once, then let's pray we never become elite. Emotional games do way more good than harm, especially if losing it doesn't really set you back. Take Virginia, for instance.

I disagree about elite teams and rivalries:

UK - 2 true rivals - UofL (must play per Ky State Legislature) and Indiana. They no longer play Indiana. No SEC team is a basketball rival of UK in the sense of Xavier-UC or Xavier-Dayton. UK has no conference peers.
Duke - North Carolina is primary rival, perhaps NC State when State is good. Sure other teams hate Duke, but only these 2 are actual rivals. Maybe Maryland before they left, but they don't play them anymore.
North Carolina - Duke and NC State, both in the conference for over 50 years. I'm sure UNC would love to get rid of the NC State game if they could.
Kansas - Missouri who they no longer play, Kansas State

So, you see, even elite teams do not have tons of rivals. And emotional games are not good - players have enough to worry about with school, practice, etc without every game being a circus.

If Dayton feels they need a rival, I'm sure that Wright State would be very happy to start a series.

[Xavier]

Emotional games are definitely good. Too many of them could become a problem, but come BE tournament and March Maddness every game is emotional. It would be nice to have some emotional games before then, IMO.

I'm not calling for the rivalry to come back. Like I said earlier it really doesn't make a difference to me one way or the other

[OTRMUSKIE]

I want the rivalry to come back but only at X. We need to always big time this small program.

[xukeith]

What is wrong with you? Dayton is a good team? :lol: We are just having fun I think most people know Dayton is good. It's just fun to poke fun of them. With that said they do play in the A-10 and suck.

Be careful. BE might have more talent and better recruits BUT A10 might have a better conference in RPI world given their won loss record. It is early.

[xubrew]

I disagree about elite teams and rivalries:

UK - 2 true rivals - UofL (must play per Ky State Legislature) and Indiana. They no longer play Indiana. No SEC team is a basketball rival of UK in the sense of Xavier-UC or Xavier-Dayton. UK has no conference peers.
Duke - North Carolina is primary rival, perhaps NC State when State is good. Sure other teams hate Duke, but only these 2 are actual rivals. Maybe Maryland before they left, but they don't play them anymore.
North Carolina - Duke and NC State, both in the conference for over 50 years. I'm sure UNC would love to get rid of the NC State game if they could.
Kansas - Missouri who they no longer play, Kansas State

So, you see, even elite teams do not have tons of rivals. And emotional games are not good - players have enough to worry about with school, practice, etc without every game being a circus.

If Dayton feels they need a rival, I'm sure that Wright State would be very happy to start a series.

When Duke, UNC, Wake, NC State, Virginia, Clemson, and Maryland all played each other twice a year, every game was a hate fest. Every single match up was far more intense than Xavier v Dayton. I like how you think that Duke v NC State is "perhaps" a rivalry.

And, on top of that, we like to claim Dayton isn't our rival. It's just that the one home game against us is their Super Bowl. Well, Vanderbilt, Ole Miss, Georgia, Florida, and Tennessee aren't really Kentucky's big rivals either. But, when Kentucky comes to town it's a huge deal. It's the biggest home game of the year. It's their basketball super bowl. Same with Kansas when they go on the road. Same with UNC and Duke when they go on the road. Those are ALL games that are supercharged with emotion. Every team they play gets up for them the way Dayton used to get up for us. In fact, I don't remember the last time Kentucky (with the exception of Louisville) or Kansas lost on the road, and didn't have the court stormed on them. Same with Duke.

Yeah, Indiana and Kentucky no longer play, but that's precisely my point. The game was good for both programs. Is either program better off because they no longer play?? The last time the two met in the regular season, Kentucky lost in what was one of the highest rated regular season games of the year. But, they still won the national title. So, they were somehow able to overcome the emotional load that came with playing the game.

No one that has cut back on the number of highly charged emotional games is better off because of it. The majority of games in November and December are boring games played in half empty arenas. There needs to be more emotion during this part of the season, not less of it.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Be careful. BE might have more talent and better recruits BUT A10 might have a better conference in RPI world given their won loss record. It is early.

Big East projected to finish 3rd A-10 7th. A-10 could be a top 5 if they just got rid of their bottom feeders. The Big East has only 10 teams so not many bottom feeders to drag it down.

[waggy]

This game is like OTR's wetdream.

Don't screw it up OTR!

[xu82]

This game is like OTR's wetdream.

Don't screw it up OTR!

What do you mean? Don't wake up? Good advice, but getting a little personal there....

[bleedXblue]

Be careful. BE might have more talent and better recruits BUT A10 might have a better conference in RPI world given their won loss record. It is early.

Always so positive Keith. Dry that wet blanket please.

[XUFan09]

Be careful. BE might have more talent and better recruits BUT A10 might have a better conference in RPI world given their won loss record. It is early.
They wont. I'm not saying that because my bias won't let me envision that possibility, but because it's factually true that it won't happen. Win-loss percentage only makes up 25% of RPI, with the other 75% being connected to SOS.

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[Xville]

I find it strange when people dog the a10 on here. When we were in the conference, many defended it on here as if it were life or death. When people talked bad about it, we acted like someone pissed in our cheerios. Now some here for one reason or another stick out their chest as if we are so much better than the a10, and it is our duty to look down on "smaller" conferences. Remember where you came from maybe? I hope the majority of our fans aren't this arrogant. And all of this talk about this being Daytons super bowl? Really? I wonder if those same people were mad when uc fans said that about us every year or if we got mad when ohio state fans said that about us when we played them in the tourney? I'm disappointed.

Those same people probably puffed out their chest when we were #1 in conference rpi last year as if it actually meant something and then whined when people said we were overrated...which the conference was as it turned out. It all just seems so weird to me.

[XUFan09]

I liked the A10, minus the bottom feeders, and agree that the trashing of it now is crap.

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[bobbiemcgee]

Wow. You gotta be kidding. We traded 18k @ Omaha for Gola. Play at the Holyland of BB MSG 3 or 4 times a yr. We play VILLANOVA, GEORGETOWN, BUTLER. PROVIDENCE, Marquette and Creighton. Bus trips back from the Welders place and beating Fordham by 40 every yr. were soooooo much better. We get more $ for playing 2 GAMES in conf. than we got for playing the whole season in the A-10. Every game on TV called by Legends. We send 50% of the League to the Dance. Yes, we are so much better than the A-10. Not even close. Why do you think EVERYBODY wants in? C'mon man!

[bleedXblue]

I find it strange when people dog the a10 on here. When we were in the conference, many defended it on here as if it were life or death. When people talked bad about it, we acted like someone pissed in our cheerios. Now some here for one reason or another stick out their chest as if we are so much better than the a10, and it is our duty to look down on "smaller" conferences. Remember where you came from maybe? I hope the majority of our fans aren't this arrogant.

Those same people probably puffed out their chest when we were #1 in conference rpi last year as if it actually meant something and then whined when people said we were overrated...which the conference was as it turned out. It all just seems so weird to me.

I don't know how anyone could argue with you. It's flat out ridiculous for anyone to bash the A-10. It served us very well and is a solid conference. UD should thrive and consistently be one of the best teams. Not a bad place for them honestly.

[Xville]

Wow. You gotta be kidding. We traded 18k @ Omaha for Gola. Play at the Holyland of BB MSG 3 or 4 times a yr. We play VILLANOVA, GEORGETOWN, BUTLER. PROVIDENCE, Marquette and Creighton. Bus trips back from the Welders place and beating Fordham by 40 every yr. were soooooo much better. We get more $ for playing 2 GAMES in conf. than we got for playing the whole season in the A-10. Every game on TV called by Legends. We send 50% of the League to the Dance. Yes, we are so much better than the A-10. Not even close. Why do you think EVERYBODY wants in? C'mon man!

So? I guess that means we should act and say things that fans of opposing teams used to say about us and we used to get upset about? I think the title of this thread itself is ridiculous.

I'm happy that we are in the big east, I just don't see the need to act better than they are just because of the league we are in. By doing that, you aren't any better than the annoying uc, ohio state, ud fan.

[bobbiemcgee]

I have no problem with the A-10. Fine conference. I do hate dayton and their obnoxious fans. See how they treated Mack's wife. The a-10 was a great stepping stone. Glad we moved up.

[Muskie1000]

Actually we did dog on the A-10 while we were in there, at least in the last few years. We were tired of carrying the league, tired of not getting respect, tired of the bottom feeders, tired of how the league was being run, etc... Was it good for us in the beginning? Yes of course it was but as time went on, Xavier rose and the A-10 while maybe rising to a somewhat better level was still no where near it needed to be. We were frustrated that we were stuck with the all of those bottom feeders and the league wasn't doing a thing about it. Hell yes we are in a much better league now and the A-10, well, it is kinda stuck in mediocrity.

[chico]

Early line - Xavier -2.5

[Wheelhouse]

XVILLE making way too much sense up in here.

Some of the attitudes regarding this are comical. The funny thing is the people who dump on the A-10 now are very likely the same ones who used to lose their mind when opposing fans would belittle the conference when we were a member.

[xeus]

I just don't see the need to act better than they are just because of the league we are in.
We aren't "acting" better than Dayton, we actually ARE better than Dayton. And if we were "acting", the league we're in would be the least of the reasons we're better.
If you want to defend Dayton, save it for your journal, because there's no place on this board for a Xavier fan to tell other Xavier fans to be nicer to Dayton.

[Xville]

Actually we did dog on the A-10 while we were in there, at least in the last few years. We were tired of carrying the league, tired of not getting respect, tired of the bottom feeders, tired of how the league was being run, etc... Was it good for us in the beginning? Yes of course it was but as time went on, Xavier rose and the A-10 while maybe rising to a somewhat better level was still no where near it needed to be. We were frustrated that we were stuck with the all of those bottom feeders and the league wasn't doing a thing about it. Hell yes we are in a much better league now and the A-10, well, it is kinda stuck in mediocrity.
I do agree it is better financially, and overall has better programs. But are we now going to be "that" fan base many of us couldnt stand? You know, the ones from uc, ohio state etc? I don't understand you trying to justify some of the vitriol going on around here.

To me, it is now pretty clear that all fan bases have their jackass fringe, even with teams I fully love and support.

[Juice]

I liked the A10, minus the bottom feeders, and agree that the trashing of it now is crap.

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The A10 is what it is. It was the best situation possible for X at the time until the new Big East was formed. It's still a really nice basketball conference that could be improved but would require drastic/almost impossible moves. I still root for their teams over the bigger conferences.

[XUFan09]

We aren't "acting" better than Dayton, we actually ARE better than Dayton. And if we were "acting", the league we're in would be the least of the reasons we're better.
If you want to defend Dayton, save it for your journal, because there's no place on this board for a Xavier fan to tell other Xavier fans to be nicer to Dayton.
The point is, we're better than Dayton without the need to bring up the conference affiliation.

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[waggy]

The thought police are here.

[xu82]

I just hope we prove we are better than Vd on the court tomorrow.

All this talk is BS.

[XUFan09]

The A10 is what it is. It was the best situation possible for X at the time until the new Big East was formed. It's still a really nice basketball conference that could be improved but would require drastic/almost impossible moves. I still root for their teams over the bigger conferences.
My feelings exactly.

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[OTRMUSKIE]

The point is, we're better than Dayton without the need to bring up the conference affiliation.

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You are 100% correct but it's more fun to bring it up over and over again. The game doesn't even matter tomorrow because when it's over we are still in the Big East and they arnt. The only way they could possible be better than us is if the Big East kicked us out and let them in. Otherwise we will always be better even if we lost for 10 decades straight we would be better. We are X and they are VD. SCREW THEM!!!!

[Xville]

We aren't "acting" better than Dayton, we actually ARE better than Dayton. And if we were "acting", the league we're in would be the least of the reasons we're better.
If you want to defend Dayton, save it for your journal, because there's no place on this board for a Xavier fan to tell other Xavier fans to be nicer to Dayton.

Yeah that's what I'm doing I'm defending dayton. It's more that I'm pointing out the hypocrisy.

I hope we beat dayton by 30 tomorrow, but all in all it is just another gane on the schedule. All that matters is March.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Now I say this in jest, like I said before I know they are good and it will be a tough game tomorrow. I am very nervous about it.

[waggy]

This is an important game from the standpoint it could effect Xavier's seed. Don't get me wrong, no one game matters in the scheme of things. But all things being equal this game could matter.

[D-West & PO-Z]

The point is, we're better than Dayton without the need to bring up the conference affiliation.

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Eh, I dunno.

I actually dont hate UD, I think they are a pretty good program and I wish the series was still going. I do think their fans are delusional, at least the most vocal group.

But this is what message boards are made for, trash talk, irrational discussions, etc, etc. I dont think there is any problem with X fans trash talking UD on here and bringing up conference affiliation etc, even if it isnt completely rational all the time. That is exactly the point of these kinds of sites.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Yeah that's what I'm doing I'm defending dayton. It's more that I'm pointing out the hypocrisy.

I hope we beat dayton by 30 tomorrow, but all in all it is just another gane on the schedule. All that matters is March.

You'll drive yourself crazy trying to point out all the hypocrisy on this board or any team's message board.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Wow, just saw XU is 22-8 in the last 30 against UD. That is even more dominant than I would have guessed.

[Masterofreality]

I disagree. It took a rivalry away from gayton, but it added conference rivals for Xavier. Specifically Butler is our biggest conference rival in my opinion and our biggest rival has and always will be UC. The cryers whine about us not wanting to play them after the treatment and the fact that this game has always been meant a lot more to dayton because for some odd reason, they are hypocritical as hell and refuse to play their true natural rival, Wright St. Screw dayton. They left us for the Great Midwest many years ago and I for one, love the fact they are left out in the cold in the A-10. Once Archie Miller moves on to another program they will sink into an abyss that is that cesspool of dayton, Ohio. I never really cared about this rivalry growing up in Cincinnati, but the treatment by their fans at ud arena, Cintas Center, Cincinnati Gardens, and several other away venues I have watched these 2 in A-10 tourney's in Atlantic City at Boardwalk Hall and US Bank Arena, those people are batshit crazy and want so much to hate Xavier that it is almost like, screw these people, we need to have some serious intensity. Xavier lost a conference rival, but gained a much better one in Butler, one who has multiple NCAA wins and been to 2 championship games. Until dayton won a game a few years ago, they hadn't won an NCAA tourney game since 1990 and went to their first Elite Eight 2 years ago since 1984. Xavier has been relevant in the last 30 years of college basketball and Butler has really become relevant over the last 15. dayton has been largely irrelevant in the NCAA tourney and on the National Stage aside from a few years here and there, mixed in with very average and downright awful seasons. They have really only become relevant the last few years, because the best teams in the A-10 in Xavier, Temple, and Butler left, and they finally hired somebody who can coach, and had the insight to hire the brother of one of our best coaches at Xavier and someone in Sean Miller who has shown he can flat out coach. Their fans are delusional and I have never been treated worse by a visiting groups fans and that includes uc, and NFL football games at places like Cleveland and $shitsburg. Between Xavier and UC there is more of a healthy respect in my opinion. dayton does next to nothing every year for the past 30 and they want our respect and to be our rival. I saw screw them. There is no need to play them and give them any hope. Let their coach leave soon and watch them fall into complete college basketball obscurity.

In Pablo's name, I fully endorse and rep this post! Well done!

[xudash]

In Pablo's name, I fully endorse and rep this post! Well done!

Me, too. Historical perspective is a good thing.

UD is Loser Central.

[aurorix2]

X fans are just bitter over the fact that UD has the Ghetto.

[OH.X.MI]

X fans are just bitter over the fact that UD has the Ghetto.

Lol

[Milhouse]

Not sure if this has been reported or not...and it's just what I heard so may not be true.

During USC Xavier yesterday there was someone blowing an air horn in the first half when x was shooting free throws. They were doing this when X was up 20 in the first half. From what I heard it was actually a UD Fan that got kicked out of the building.

I've been here since Wednesday. I was shocked when UD fans came to our noon game just to root against us. I had Disney passes and much better things to do - like enjoy my vacation. So I didn't go to their games to root against them.


This is why I don't like this rivalry. It's way too annoying and serious for some of the older folk. Give me butler any day. At least I can respect them. I can't respect a 45 year old man with an air horn.

[xeus]

Yeah that's what I'm doing I'm defending dayton. It's more that I'm pointing out the hypocrisy.

I hope we beat dayton by 30 tomorrow, but all in all it is just another gane on the schedule. All that matters is March.

Pointing out the hypocrisy? What hypocrisy? Please. Save it.

And it's NOT just another game in the schedule. Don't kid yourself. If you think Chris Mack is going to sleep tonight thinking, "meh, just another game on the schedule" then I am sorry, but you are missing something...

[xudash]

Not sure if this has been reported or not...and it's just what I heard so may not be true.

During USC Xavier yesterday there was someone blowing an air horn in the first half when x was shooting free throws. They were doing this when X was up 20 in the first half. From what I heard it was actually a UD Fan that got kicked out of the building.

I've been here since Wednesday. I was shocked when UD fans came to our noon game just to root against us. I had Disney passes and much better things to do - like enjoy my vacation. So I didn't go to their games to root against them.


This is why I don't like this rivalry. It's way too annoying and serious for some of the older folk. Give me butler any day. At least I can respect them. I can't respect a 45 year old man with an air horn.

I'm with you all the way on this.

I enjoy classy rivalries. UD doesn't make the cut. They're truly small minded and desperate. They never had a good reason to expect a BE invite, but it killed them when they whiffed on that completely.

[Section 200]

Not sure if this has been reported or not...and it's just what I heard so may not be true.

During USC Xavier yesterday there was someone blowing an air horn in the first half when x was shooting free throws. They were doing this when X was up 20 in the first half. From what I heard it was actually a UD Fan that got kicked out of the building.

I've been here since Wednesday. I was shocked when UD fans came to our noon game just to root against us. I had Disney passes and much better things to do - like enjoy my vacation. So I didn't go to their games to root against them.


This is why I don't like this rivalry. It's way too annoying and serious for some of the older folk. Give me butler any day. At least I can respect them. I can't respect a 45 year old man with an air horn.

Fully agree! This is the point that UD Brew keeps missing. None of the Big East teams would root against Xavier vs. USC. I find it hard to image UC fans going to the XU-Wake Forest game and rooting for Wake Forest. They want to beat us, but they do not have the irrational hate. This emotion is unnecessary and unhealthy. UD has a group of stalker fans that instead of supporting UD spend their time attacking XU.

[bobbiemcgee]

Let's face it. If X and Butler are still in the A-10, Dayton has no chance of going to the dance (see 2015) so I don't know what they are bitching about.

[Bmuskie]

Not sure if this has been reported or not...and it's just what I heard so may not be true.

During USC Xavier yesterday there was someone blowing an air horn in the first half when x was shooting free throws. They were doing this when X was up 20 in the first half. From what I heard it was actually a UD Fan that got kicked out of the building.

I've been here since Wednesday. I was shocked when UD fans came to our noon game just to root against us. I had Disney passes and much better things to do - like enjoy my vacation. So I didn't go to their games to root against them.


This is why I don't like this rivalry. It's way too annoying and serious for some of the older folk. Give me butler any day. At least I can respect them. I can't respect a 45 year old man with an air horn.

If you proclaim that you are a UD fan and make a special trip to attend an XU game simply to root against XU then you are not a UD fan. That makes you a fan of whoever XU plays.

[OTRMUSKIE]

I know it doesn't matter much at all but X did just jump VD in the RPI. X is now 6 and VD is 12. It was vice versa. It's a sign that tomorrow will be a blowout

[xubrew]

I don't find a 45 year old with an air horn who gets kicked out of a game to be anything but hilarious. I mean. It's a middle aged guy. With an air horn. That's absolutely pathetic, which is why it's funny. Why would you be bothered by something so ridiculously pathetic? Why not just point and laugh? And then ask him where he parked his tricycle. These are the kinds of people that are the most fun to crush.

[KabeX]

I would love nothing more than to handle them tomorrow (today) easily. I just don't see it happening. I think we win but it'll be a nail biter. I really hope I'm wrong and we blow em out. We are better and we are deeper. Now we just need to do what better teams do.

[xukeith]

I 100% agree Kabex! Hoping for a solid no sweat win.
Scared that UD will be hyped out of their minds and shooting 15 threes, making 10.

[Titanxman04]

Can we please, please, please stop calling dayton "gayton"? It's childish and crosses a line I feel. It's immature and the type of stuff elementary kids say (I would know, as I work in a school). I'd like to think that thanks to the excellent education our beloved institution provides, that we can come up with better ways to scrutinize and belittle dayton without going for the cheap, immature, and frankly lame insult. Just call them dayton. Don't capitalize. We acknowledge your existence but also recognize that you don't deserve to be capitalized like any respectable city/school.

[paulxu]

Probably because of my age I only consider UC a real "rival."
If a rival is someone you compete with for "something," then every conference member is a rival of sorts.

But your heated/hated rival is something that is longstanding, and what we compete with UC for, are city bragging rights; it's made all the more special by small school vs large school...so it is better than USC vs Clemson, or Ohio State vs Michigan, etc.

Dayton is not in our city, and not in our conference. It's an interesting game, but not a rivalry to me. Just one guy's opinion.
Plus, for as long as UC has been our rivalry game in my mind, I have never bought a ticket to go cheer against them playing another team.
That seems a little obsessive, childish, or an indication of major jealousy.

[Michigan Muskie]

Quick request: Is it possible for someone with knowledge about their team to provide an actual analysis of UD's squad that isn't laced with biased vitriol? As entertaining as this discussion is, I'm seriously looking for some insight about this year's roster. Or would that require a new thread?

I ask because I have not yet seen them play, and am curious what to expect today. I think Archie is a very good coach, but I don't know anything about the team's strengths, weaknesses, style of play, tendencies, etc.

It's 8:25 AM on a Bengals/Xavier double-feature Sunday as I gaze out my window at the thin layer of frost blanketing the landscape here in the mitten state, and Dayton still sucks. Or do they...? I really don't know. I hope they do.

[xeus]

There's always some helpful insight from the bright guys over at UD PRIDE


(http://www.udpride.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28428)

[X-band '01]

You'll probably find an actual analysis in another thread as it relates to Dayton.

In the meantime, here's a preview of Xavier from our friends at the Blackburn Review:

Recon: Our Overlords (http://www.blackburnreview.com/recon-our-overlords/)

About the only thing they didn't mention about Macura is how much he'll be hated by Dayton fans by the end of the day.

[FIGHTING MUSKETEER]

I just hope we prove we are better than Vd on the court tomorrow.

All this talk is BS.

This. The present situation is Dayton is a good team, hungry as hell to kick our butt and well coached. Add to that the fact that they brought a ton of crazy fans that will make feel the arena as home for UD. We do have a crazy good deep team. It is going to go down to if we bring or not our A game and that has to do with effort and desire. Lets get rid of our XU fan blinkers. Having said all that, I see us winning by 7.

[letskeepitreal]

We'd better being our A game today as this will likely be a battle. They will be motivated with a lot of fans but don't think thy can match up with us inside so we'd better not fall asleep.

[paulxu]

I was going to start a game thread. But MadX is on a winning streak and it won't be me that jinxes it.

[XfansinKy]

Just glancing over the roster it appears as if Xavier is much bigger and stronger. It is also obvious that they are bigger and stronger because of strength training not just because of purr size.

[xeus]

All this talk is BS.


Lets get rid of our XU fan blinkers.

What the hell is wrong with you guys??? This whole line of thinking is blasphemous. It's UD, and whether you think they are a rival or not, there is waaaaay too much history with these idiots to pretend this is just another game. Of course it's going to be a battle, but that doesn't mean we have to start being nice and respectful. Sweet Jesus, Pablo is rolling over right about now.

LET'S GO X!

P.S. Sean Finn is a she-male.

[Xville]

Pointing out the hypocrisy? What hypocrisy? Please. Save it.

And it's NOT just another game in the schedule. Don't kid yourself. If you think Chris Mack is going to sleep tonight thinking, "meh, just another game on the schedule" then I am sorry, but you are missing something...


My point was more about acting like high and mighty against an a10 team because we are now in the big east...the same thing that bugged us when we were in the a10, is what some here are doing now and I think that's hypocritical. I really don't care if it's dayton or anyone else..

[X-band '01]

What the hell is wrong with you guys??? This whole line of thinking is blasphemous. It's UD, and whether you think they are a rival or not, there is waaaaay too much history with these idiots to pretend this is just another game. Of course it's going to be a battle, but that doesn't mean we have to start being nice and respectful. Sweet Jesus, Pablo is rolling over right about now.

LET'S GO X!

P.S. Sean Finn is a she-male.

Both of the McCormick brothers would insist that a futile and stupid gesture be done on their part.

[Blue Blooded-05]

Probably because of my age I only consider UC a real "rival."
If a rival is someone you compete with for "something," then every conference member is a rival of sorts.

But your heated/hated rival is something that is longstanding, and what we compete with UC for, are city bragging rights; it's made all the more special by small school vs large school...so it is better than USC vs Clemson, or Ohio State vs Michigan, etc.

Dayton is not in our city, and not in our conference. It's an interesting game, but not a rivalry to me. Just one guy's opinion.
Plus, for as long as UC has been our rivalry game in my mind, I have never bought a ticket to go cheer against them playing another team.
That seems a little obsessive, childish, or an indication of major jealousy.

Not sure if this is more or less pathetic, but I went to US Bank Arena for a Xavier/Kansas State game a few years ago and there were literally hundreds of UC fans dressed in purple and rooting for Bob Huggins.

[Juice]

Not sure if this is more or less pathetic, but I went to US Bank Arena for a Xavier/Kansas State game a few years ago and there were literally hundreds of UC fans dressed in purple and rooting for Bob Huggins.

That was funny. Those nut jobs not only spent money on tickets to that game, they also spent money on Kansas State apparel which takes their stupidity and insanity to a different level.

[nuts4xu]

What the hell is wrong with you guys??? This whole line of thinking is blasphemous. It's UD, and whether you think they are a rival or not, there is waaaaay too much history with these idiots to pretend this is just another game. Of course it's going to be a battle, but that doesn't mean we have to start being nice and respectful. Sweet Jesus, Pablo is rolling over right about now.

LET'S GO X!

P.S. Sean Finn is a she-male.

I hate dayton and their melon humping inbred fans. They are motherfuckers. I hope their bus hits a tree filled with butthole cancer on the way to the game and the entire team is inflicted with the disease.

[X-band '01]

Not sure if this is more or less pathetic, but I went to US Bank Arena for a Xavier/Kansas State game a few years ago and there were literally hundreds of UC fans dressed in purple and rooting for Bob Huggins.

They disappeared a year later when Frank Martin took over at Kansas State.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Sorry when it comes to dayton anything goes Gayton, VD, melenhumpers, dbags, dump, inbreds, 45 year old horn blowers, A-10 pre season champs, 80's final four fanatics. I am sorry but if that fan base can take a Pom Pom out of a 9 year old boys hand (me) and rip it up in front of his family I will always call them what the hell I want. F**k Gayton and F**k their whole fanbase. I can't stand them and I hope we beat the S**t out of them. Goooooooooooo Gayton flyers!!!!! Go to hell VD.

[XfansinKy]

I don't know much about the butthole sicknesses but I have played a lot of basketball and in tournaments which myself and my teammates always hated because it was usually during the holidays. So far though, dzzCoach Mack has managed to have these kids playing like it ain't nothing but a business trip. If that mentality carries over into today's game, Dayton is in for a lot of trouble.

[pimpinthebox]

I'll start by saying that I doubt there's anybody on this board that dislikes UD and UC more than me. I'm down here in Orlando taking in all the game and after digesting this entire thread, here are my thoughts...

- I agree that calling them "gayton" and "VD" is really weak. Just makes us look bad.

- Yes, there are a shit ton of Dayton fans down here and it makes my skin crawl. Luckily, we haven't been in the same session so we've been separated. It will be interesting to see how they fill up the arena today. I wouldn't be surprised if they bused more fans down here. But when you think about it, it's all they have and their team is pretty good now. Good luck when Archie leaves...because he will.

- I heard the air horn once and that was it. It's general seating as you may know and security is pretty weak so I didn't notice a scene or anything. I've been pretty focused on our games and really haven't noticed any of their fans acting up during our games. This afternoon should be interesting.

- I agree with xeus that, despite what everyone is saying, it's a big game from a rival and history perspective. Won't make or break our season by any means, but given the fact that we don't play them regularly anymore, it could be a real shit-burger of a loss. And if we play well, we should win.

- Nuts is funny. Maybe he dislikes them more than me as I don't wish their bus crashes and the team is stricken with "butthole cancer". Or perhaps I'm just more mature.

- Lets win one for MOR on his birthday.

Go X!

[OTRMUSKIE]

Pimp you're more mature for sure. Just for the record VD is their name it's not derogatory at all.
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2014/07/30/u-dayton-latest-university-get-trouble-logo-redesign

[XUGRAD80]

On the other hand, I always really liked competing in tournaments during school breaks. Could just concentrate on competing and didn't have to worry about juggling classes and homework along with practice and competition. Made life so much simpler.

[paulxu]

Pimp, since you posted it twice, I'm assuming you are well into the sauce.

Just start a "MOR" chant so I can hear it on my TV.

[xeus]

Pimp, since you posted it twice, I'm assuming you are well into the sauce.

I deleted his second post. As usual, I've got pimp's back when he gets shitfaced.

[pimpinthebox]

I deleted his second post. As usual, I've got pimp's back when he gets shitfaced.

I edited the post and I was on my phone by the pool. Bugger off.

[waggy]

Are you telling me our 2nd unit wouldn't win the A10?

[paulxu]

I deleted his second post. As usual, I've got pimp's back when he gets shitfaced.

Wake MadX up and tell him to post a game thread.

[xeus]

I edited the post and I was on my phone by the pool. Bugger off.

Was the phone in the limo busted, Mr. Big Time Pimp?

[MuskiePimp23]

When Duke, UNC, Wake, NC State, Virginia, Clemson, and Maryland all played each other twice a year, every game was a hate fest. Every single match up was far more intense than Xavier v Dayton. I like how you think that Duke v NC State is "perhaps" a rivalry.

And, on top of that, we like to claim Dayton isn't our rival. It's just that the one home game against us is their Super Bowl. Well, Vanderbilt, Ole Miss, Georgia, Florida, and Tennessee aren't really Kentucky's big rivals either. But, when Kentucky comes to town it's a huge deal. It's the biggest home game of the year. It's their basketball super bowl. Same with Kansas when they go on the road. Same with UNC and Duke when they go on the road. Those are ALL games that are supercharged with emotion. Every team they play gets up for them the way Dayton used to get up for us. In fact, I don't remember the last time Kentucky (with the exception of Louisville) or Kansas lost on the road, and didn't have the court stormed on them. Same with Duke.

Yeah, Indiana and Kentucky no longer play, but that's precisely my point. The game was good for both programs. Is either program better off because they no longer play?? The last time the two met in the regular season, Kentucky lost in what was one of the highest rated regular season games of the year. But, they still won the national title. So, they were somehow able to overcome the emotional load that came with playing the game.

No one that has cut back on the number of highly charged emotional games is better off because of it. The majority of games in November and December are boring games played in half empty arenas. There needs to be more emotion during this part of the season, not less of it.

I'm sorry, but this could not be further from the truth. The raw emotion of the Xavier-dayton game is right up there with any of the ones you mentioned there and dayton hates us more than Duke and UNC hate each other. I would also put the Crosstown shootout, Xavier-uc up against UNC-Duke in terms of raw emotion and how charged the games are. I am also speaking from experience having been to just about every Xavier-uc and Xavier-dayton game home and away over the last 20 years or so and have also been to several ACC games including UNC-Duke. The venom spewed at ud arena ranks up there with anybody.

[MuskiePimp23]

I don't know how anyone could argue with you. It's flat out ridiculous for anyone to bash the A-10. It served us very well and is a solid conference. UD should thrive and consistently be one of the best teams. Not a bad place for them honestly.

I think the difference is the A-10 used to be a much better conference. I mean when we joined, you had Va. Tech, a solid UMASS, GW, Temple, Rhode Island and every once in a while dayton was okay. Then we added Richmond who was pretty solid. When the FLAGSHIP leaves the conference along with Temple and recent addition Butler, the A-10 is a far cry from what it used to be and that is why it is easy to dog the conference. Just like the MCC/Horizon is a shadow of what it used to be when we were a part of it. Each of those conferences has taken a step down from losing the top programs from each conference, namely Xavier.

[MuskiePimp23]

Not sure if this has been reported or not...and it's just what I heard so may not be true.

During USC Xavier yesterday there was someone blowing an air horn in the first half when x was shooting free throws. They were doing this when X was up 20 in the first half. From what I heard it was actually a UD Fan that got kicked out of the building.

I've been here since Wednesday. I was shocked when UD fans came to our noon game just to root against us. I had Disney passes and much better things to do - like enjoy my vacation. So I didn't go to their games to root against them.


This is why I don't like this rivalry. It's way too annoying and serious for some of the older folk. Give me butler any day. At least I can respect them. I can't respect a 45 year old man with an air horn.

Perfectly stated. I respect a program like Butler. dayton, not so much.

[xu2006]

A photo of the line to get in. Gates open in 40 minutes. Go X!

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[powerofX]

A photo of the line to get in. Gates open in 40 minutes. Go X!

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That's an ass ton of red. X fans better bring it!

[GuyFawkes38]

About 4 to 1, UD to XU fans. Honestly don't understand their fan dominance here. That's alright. Not a must win situation, but would be nice to pull off a win.

[D-West & PO-Z]

You'll probably find an actual analysis in another thread as it relates to Dayton.

In the meantime, here's a preview of Xavier from our friends at the Blackburn Review:

Recon: Our Overlords (http://www.blackburnreview.com/recon-our-overlords/)

About the only thing they didn't mention about Macura is how much he'll be hated by Dayton fans by the end of the day.

Intersting he thinks we only go 7-8 deep and depth is a weakness. I'd day we go 8 deep every game and can go 10 deep.

[Emp]

[QUOTE=X-band '01;521045]You'll probably find an actual analysis in another thread as it relates to Dayton.

In the meantime, here's a preview of Xavier from our friends at the Blackburn Review:

Recon: Our Overlords (http://www.blackburnreview.com/recon-our-overlords/)

I hope someone downloaded the photoshopped hair on Myles for the bulletin board.

The "overlords" quip is some serious irony, given the history of delusional internet lording over from the Flyer faithful. Doesn't that medicine taste bad?

[XUFan09]

Tom Blackburn is a realist, so the Overlords term is a rather sardonic designation he often uses, acknowledging that Xavier has owned this series in recent decades.

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[LadyMuskie]

Honestly don't understand their fan dominance here. .

They're from dayton. The only respectable thing to do is get the hell out as often as humanly possible. You can only find so much to do in a sewage-filled trailer park of a city. Orlando seems like shangri-la to daytonites.

[KabeX]

I would love nothing more than to handle them tomorrow (today) easily. I just don't see it happening. I think we win but it'll be a nail biter. I really hope I'm wrong and we blow em out. We are better and we are deeper. Now we just need to do what better teams do.

Oh how sweet it is to have been so wrong. Might have been a twinge of reverse psych in there but oh my goodness how wrong I was!