XAVIER vs NKU

[MADXSTER]

1803 vs 1804

Xavier University Musketeers (3-0)
W Miami(OH) 81-72
W Missouri 78-66
W Michigan 86-70

vs Northern Kentucky Norse (0-2)
L West Virginia 107-61
L Morehead St 64-54


Location: Cintas Center
Monday Nov. 23, 2015 at 8:45 p.m. ET
Television: FS1 with play-by-play from Dick Stockton and analysis from Nick Bahe
Radio: 55KRC-AM with play-by-play from Xavier Hall of Famer and former Musketeer standout Joe Sunderman ('79). Analysis will be provided by Xavier Hall of Famer and XU all-time leading scorer Byron Larkin ('88).

[D-West & PO-Z]

Time to bring the pain.

[xu82]

I'm glad it's NKU, because I have a little conflict with the Bills vs the Cheaters on MNF. Recording both and get to the hoops when I can. Really want to see Gates, O'Mara, London getting time.

[gladdenguy]

I'm glad it's NKU, because I have a little conflict with the Bills vs the Cheaters on MNF. Recording both and get to the hoops when I can. Really want to see Gates, O'Mara, London getting time.

The cheaters? Yeah they are 9-0 and must be cheating this year. Some people will always be delusional. Jealousy sucks. As do the Bills.

[xu82]

The cheaters? Yeah they are 9-0 and must be cheating this year. Some people will always be delusional. Jealousy sucks. As do the Bills.

You don't have to get your feelings hurt. I never said they aren't great. They are. Brady is the best ever. And they cheat. If they didn't they wouldn't admit to cheating, pay huge fines and forfeit draft choices. Again. But, those are the facts. Do they cheat on every play? Do they have to cheat to win? Irrelevant.

Go Muskies! (Common ground)

[D-West & PO-Z]

The cheaters? Yeah they are 9-0 and must be cheating this year. Some people will always be delusional. Jealousy sucks. As do the Bills.

They are in fact cheaters. How can you dispute that? You cant, it is actually indisputable.

[xumuskies08]

Is anyone on here attempting to watch with FoxSportsGo? I just tried to log in and am getting a message that "This program is unavailable. Program availability is determined by your TV provider and your subscription package." I have watched several Xavier games on the site before so it shouldn't be anything with my login info. It says the game is live, so I'm just not sure what's going on. Anybody else having this problem?

EDIT: NVMD I'm not sure what the problem was, but it seems to have corrected itself.

[Titanxman04]

Is there a live chat?

[RoseyMuskie]

LOL Jalen.

[nasdadjr]

Not gonna lie happy he hit it but I really don't want to see jaylen squaring up from 3

[XfansinKy]

Our boys are a little sloppy. James Farr gliding through the air like LBJ though.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Dick Stockton is really losing it. Easily confused. We have another Bobby Knight on our hands. He doesnt do NFL anymore does he?

[RoseyMuskie]

Dick Stockton is really losing it. Easily confused. We have another Bobby Knight on our hands. He doesnt do NFL anymore does he?

Calling Bluiett, Bullet, and saying Macura is 16-16 from the FT after he just missed are egregious mistakes.

[Wheelhouse]

Man, our defense has been bad 10 minutes in. Guys are wide open.

[paulxu]

I don't think I understand the "restricted area" rule.

[BMoreX]

Wow Marquette just beat LSU.

[paulxu]

Jimmy just could NOT resist the opportunity. Hah.

[XfansinKy]

Glad Farr got his token brick out of his system. Now he can go get 10-15 boards. We need to start pulling away now.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Calling Bluiett, Bullet, and saying Macura is 16-16 from the FT after he just missed are egregious mistakes.

Yeah, also called a block a charge and called that made 3 by NKU missed and was so confused with an awkward pause after the inbound after basket.

[XfansinKy]

Dude stop calling him "Bullet"

[BMoreX]

Who's this Bullet fella? Good player.

[RoseyMuskie]

Man, our defense has been bad 10 minutes in. Guys are wide open.

I don't think it's been that bad. NKU was hitting ridiculous shots. If they miss that three that kicked in at the end, we aren't even having this conversation.

[BMoreX]

NKU starting to miss.

[paulxu]

Ed needs to practice FT's

[XfansinKy]

Bullett is pulling down rebounds everywhere

[paulxu]

Bullet is now a guard.

[XfansinKy]

Bullet is now a guard.

Bullet rebounds great for a guard

[BMoreX]

Really good pass out of the double team by Jalen there.

[paulxu]

Who is Jalen Phillips?

[Xville]

Our perimeter defense is not good...villanova is going to wipe the floor again with us if it does not improve

[X Factor]

Perimeter defense is atrocious!

[D-West & PO-Z]

Dick Stockton literally just said if NKU had made all their shots theyd be in the lead right now.

As with Bobby Knight a few years ago, someone will need to have a difficult conversation with Dick pretty soon. He's losing it.

[XMuskieFTW]

Defense frustrating. Need to see more from them in the second half.

[RoseyMuskie]

A few open threes conceded at the end, but let's put the shot clock into perspective. At 35 seconds, NKU is probably at about 32 points. Not a bad half defensively.

[XfansinKy]

I worry having over 10,000 people telling our guys to raise their swords right in front of everybody will just become too much pressure. I couldn't perform under that scrutiny.

[sirthought]

Well, it's obvious this is their super bowl with this being the biggest game on their schedule.

If we lose this (big if) there will be plenty of questions why we schedule it.

(all said in the voice of late 80s/early 90s UC fan)

[xufan2020]

I worry having over 10,000 people telling our guys to raise their swords right in front of everybody will just become too much pressure. I couldn't perform under that scrutiny.
Had to be tongue in cheek for whoever made that pitch.

[xudash]

I worry having over 10,000 people telling our guys to raise their swords right in front of everybody will just become too much pressure. I couldn't perform under that scrutiny.

Ha! That is pressure.

Let's see how accurate NKU is in the second half with their threes.

A couple of those shots were from NBA range.

[xufan2020]

Apparently a graphic on TV said that Bo Jackson is one of Remy Abell's cousins. Any validity to this?

[XfansinKy]

Glad to see captain douchebag at Indiana get upset.(again) His face was priceless. Coach Mack may have woke on third but Crean may wake up at home soon. Jobless.

[XfansinKy]

Apparently a graphic on TV said that Bo Jackson is one of Remy Abell's cousins. Any validity to this?

I've never heard it. Would've thought that story would make it an hour n a half up the road to my town.

[XfansinKy]

Farr running the court like a Ky thoroughbred

[paulxu]

Today's useless factoid:

The FoxSportsGo's app on my computer streaming the game, is almost exactly 40 seconds behind my TV picture.

[XMuskieFTW]

Apparently a graphic on TV said that Bo Jackson is one of Remy Abell's cousins. Any validity to this?

Yes. There was a preseason interview with him where it was stated.

[sirthought]

Xavier cheerleaders are much better looking this year!

[nasdadjr]

Can we please stop the... If we don't guard the perimeter Villanova is gonna kill us talk?
1. It's November
2. It's nku
3. We just had an emotional game
4. I don't care Xavier was NEVER going to have the same intensity and focus as at Michigan. It's kids we are talking about an they are not dumb. They know they are playing nku and not a top 25 team
5. They are looking forward to Florida
6. We are still up double digits.
7. When you hurl up 10000 three pointers a few will go in.
I hope I don't need to continue

[RoseyMuskie]

X allowed .097 PPP in the first half. Again, not outstanding. But not as bad as many think. The open threes missed balanced with the contested makes.

[nasdadjr]

Oh wait did I mention it's November? Just checking

[nasdadjr]

By the way gates has way better hair than macura lol

[Blue Blobs Bro]

Main thing here is we are playing decently smart, not intense but at least smart .

[D-West & PO-Z]

Anyone know what month it is?

[paulxu]

Xavier cheerleaders are much better looking this year!

Bump

[sirthought]

Macura seems to really be struggling today. Must be a Monday thing.

[paulxu]

Bullet has a double/double.

[nasdadjr]

Anyone know what month it is?

I'm not sure but it may be November sometimes I get confused since all I see is xmas stuff right now

[BMoreX]

Makinde and Kaiser both in at the same time...no sign of O'Mara tonight.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Dick Stockton is not only confused but has just said so many factually incorrect things. Its sad.

[XMuskieFTW]

Look like we are sleepwalking a bit through this one. Mickey Mouse might already be on their minds.

[D-West & PO-Z]

What happened to our FT shooting tonight? We were shooting like 82% as a team coming in.

[RoseyMuskie]

Dick Stockton is not only confused but has just said so many factually incorrect things. Its sad.

Two great second half comments. Score is 52-42. NKU has ball. Stockton says, "NKU is trying to cut it to double digits."

Second X possession of the 2H. "Here's Xavier's first possession of the half."

[X Factor]

Trevon "Bullet" for the 10th time.

[XMuskieFTW]

Very underwhelming game. Glad the defense got better in the second though. Hopefully we are saving our best basketball for the tourney.

[X Factor]

Coach Mack is NOT happy...

[X Factor]

Horrendous game against a horrible team. WVU beat these guys by 40!.

[sirthought]

NKU players are really disrupting our inside game. Probably a good test for this be revealed.

[Caveat]

This NKU team looks like they'd get run in an open gym, and we've has let them hang in this game.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Coach Mack is NOT happy...

Yeah definitely not. Almost one of those games though where I think he wanted to be unhappy afterward. Wake the team up. Team did not play well but it definitely wasnt coached to be a blowout. It was coached as if we were going to win and with some guys out there who otherwise wouldnt have been. But the team did not respond well to that and failed the test.

Havent looked at the box score but Sumner seemed to have a lot of turnovers. Macura was off too.

That Bullet guy though had a heck of a game.

[sirthought]

This NKU team looks like they'd get run in an open gym, and we've has let them hang in this game.

Why do you think that? They've been hitting some hard shots. Defense hasn't been the worst I've seen.

[Caveat]

Horrendous game against a horrible team. WVU beat these guys by 40!.

I hate scheduling these local teams -- they all get up for the game against the local team and its basically a home game with no travel logistics involved. We need to quit scheduling the Miamis and NKUs early in the season.

[XMuskieFTW]

Honestly may be the perfect time for a game like this. Get everyone refocused for the weekend

[BMoreX]

The CintASS Center!

[D-West & PO-Z]

I hate scheduling these local teams -- they all get up for the game against the local team and its basically a home game with no travel logistics involved. We need to quit scheduling the Miamis and NKUs early in the season.

Nah, we just need to play better.

[sirthought]

Yeah definitely not. Almost one of those games though where I think he wanted to be unhappy afterward. Wake the team up. Team did not play well but it definitely wasnt coached to be a blowout. It was coached as if we were going to win and with some guys out there who otherwise wouldnt have been. But the team did not respond well to that and failed the test.

Havent looked at the box score but Sumner seemed to have a lot of turnovers. Macura was off too.

That Bullet guy though had a heck of a game.

Sumner has 2 turnovers so far. 3 fouls so far.

Austin also has 2 turnovers.


JP just had a sloppy game. Missed all of his shots. Seemed tired.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Honestly may be the perfect time for a game like this. Get everyone refocused for the weekend

Yeah, I think Mack may only be slightly less happy with this result (a double digit win in an ugly way) than a blowout.

Gets to smack out team back to reality before heading to Orlando.

[xumuskies08]

Just another boring double digit win against a bad opponent in November. Move along, nothing to see here.

[Caveat]

Nah, we just need to play better.

Well, yeah -- that goes without saying.

I'd just rather play bad teams that has to disrupt their schedules and leave their own area code to play v. teams that got to sleep at home and follow their normal home routines. It kills an aspect of the home court advantage.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

Too many fouls.......it's like watching FT shooting contest. X has to shoot better and not committing too many TO.

[sirthought]

Well, yeah -- that goes without saying.

I'd just rather play bad teams that has to disrupt their schedules and leave their own area code to play v. teams that got to sleep at home and follow their normal home routines. It kills an aspect of the home court advantage.

I'm sure the ticket salesmen would disagree with you.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

This win drops our RPI to #20.

[GIMMFD]

Horrendous game against a horrible team. WVU beat these guys by 40!.

Not to nitpick, but WVU should probably be ranked, only lost 2 players off a Sweet 16 team last year, and a full court press all game, and they have some pretty good players (Devin Williams, Jaysean Paige, Esa Ahmed, etc.), plus I'm sure the full-court pressure had something to do with it.

[XMuskieFTW]

Mack just ripped them apart in the presser. As he should have. Would hate to be a player in that locker room right now.

[XUFan09]

Mack just ripped them apart in the presser. As he should have. Would hate to be a player in that locker room right now.

Yup. I'm going with the theory espoused by some that he was secretly happy this happened, so he could use it as a reality check.

[bobbiemcgee]

Seems like we miss all the "bunnies" underneath, except for Farr.

[drudy23]

I hate scheduling these local teams -- they all get up for the game against the local team and its basically a home game with no travel logistics involved. We need to quit scheduling the Miamis and NKUs early in the season.

???

They are buy games and they're right down the street. So now we're going to skirt NKU? That's weak.

[Cheesehead]

Honestly may be the perfect time for a game like this. Get everyone refocused for the weekend

Agreed. It's not the end of the world. Ohio State lost at home vs UT Arlington. Marquette beats LSU. Crazy shit happens. Season is a lifetime.

[wkrq59]

Mack just ripped them apart in the presser. As he should have. Would hate to be a player in that locker room right now.

Would hate to be a player on that practice floor later today. Oooooohhh. He was one mad coach. Might even leave a player or two home from Orlando. Or It may have been just for show in the press conference.

[XU-PA]

By the way gates has way better hair than macura lol

Mac needs to grow the hair back

[Masterofreality]

Yup. I'm going with the theory espoused by some that he was secretly happy this happened, so he could use it as a reality check.

Agree.

Ugly effort after an emotional win. Nothing to see here, and burn the tape!

[XUGRAD80]

Not unexpected at all, IMO. Very easy game to overlook by X. Players thinking it would be a cakewalk, and even the coach is talking about letting bench players get significant time. NKU a local opponent with a bad record, but with several local players looking to make a statement against a school that probably didn't recruit any of them. I think coach will have them focused for the tourney, especially after he wears them out today!

[xukeith]

This win drops our RPI to #20.

Way too early.
Wait until late December but root hard for all BE teams to WIN WIN WIN.
Helps our SOS in conference. Right now 6 conferences have better records.

[Milhouse]

Fire mack!

[Xville]

Can we please stop the... If we don't guard the perimeter Villanova is gonna kill us talk?
1. It's November
2. It's nku
3. We just had an emotional game
4. I don't care Xavier was NEVER going to have the same intensity and focus as at Michigan. It's kids we are talking about an they are not dumb. They know they are playing nku and not a top 25 team
5. They are looking forward to Florida
6. We are still up double digits.
7. When you hurl up 10000 three pointers a few will go in.
I hope I don't need to continue

Our perimeter defense is a concern whether you believe it or not. It wasn't good against michigan either...it's just our offense was that good thst night. Yeah it's just November but minus sumner, these are the same guys as last year having trouble. I think I see some improvement, but it is still an issue.

I like this team..quite a lot in fact...sorry that my glasses aren't rose colored enough for you.

[XfansinKy]

I think with Sumner, Remy, and JP all being 6'4 or taller, add in they all can move, our perimeter defense will get straightened out. Our guards are big enough to challenge shots and I look for Sumner to even block a jump shot occasionally. Just a letdown game. I thought Jalen got "handled" to be honest. He's never started out a season very good at X but seems to start putting it together about midway through. Played bad but we got so much talent and options, the game was never really in doubt. Adjusting to the new style of officiating is tough on our big, strong upper class men.

[X-band '01]

Mack just ripped them apart in the presser. As he should have. Would hate to be a player in that locker room right now.


Would hate to be a player on that practice floor later today. Oooooohhh. He was one mad coach. Might even leave a player or two home from Orlando. Or It may have been just for show in the press conference.

Sean Miller would no doubt approve of such a postgame presser.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Two great second half comments. Score is 52-42. NKU has ball. Stockton says, "NKU is trying to cut it to double digits."

Second X possession of the 2H. "Here's Xavier's first possession of the half."

Along with these, and the constant "Bullet" mentions, my favorite Stockton moment is when he said "I'm sure Billups was hoping for a better performance in his hometown". Don't think Dick had any idea that NKU was located in the Cincy area and just assumed this would be Billups only chance to play in front of friends/family.

[xudash]

The CintASS Center!

... and XAV eh YIR

[xudash]

Not unexpected at all, IMO. Very easy game to overlook by X. Players thinking it would be a cakewalk, and even the coach is talking about letting bench players get significant time. NKU a local opponent with a bad record, but with several local players looking to make a statement against a school that probably didn't recruit any of them. I think coach will have them focused for the tourney, especially after he wears them out today!

Thank you. NKU crossed the river for its Super Bowl last night. They came into the Cintas Center to give it their all.

Beyond that, at least two of their 3's were from ridiculous range; I doubt those specific shots - from those locations on the floor - are regarded as a go-to option for that team.

Then we had some of the dumb bunnies we missed.

I guess that reads like I'm trying to make excuses, but that isn't my intent. I'm sure Mack was mad for very good reasons. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that a low-level program came into our place and gave it their all under a new coach who may have some promise - they made it tougher than expected.

Xavier responded with something like just enough effort again, and that left Mack displeased.

[Masterofreality]

Along with these, and the constant "Bullet" mentions, my favorite Stockton moment is when he said "I'm sure Billups was hoping for a better performance in his hometown". Don't think Dick had any idea that NKU was located in the Cincy area and just assumed this would be Billups only chance to play in front of friends/family.

It's sad when formerly great commentators start to lose it, but it happens to them all- like Curt Gowdy, Don Criqui- and all play by play guys on ESPN.

[Milhouse]

All commentators will be bad to us since we know Xavier inside and out. But FS1 is just awful all around compared to what ESPN has.

I think they need to hire some quality talent and just dont even fly them out to games unless its conference or big games...Pay for better announcers by not sending them to the arena.

[X Factor]

I felt bad for Stockton as he made mistake after mistake.

JP was at the line in the first half and he missed his first free throw and made his second one. Stockton proceeded to say JP was a perfect 16 for 16 from the free throw line this year. He JUST missed one right in front of you!!

Also, a NKU player threw up a shot and Stockton said he missed as the ball went through the hoop and there was a good 30 seconds of silence where you could tell Stockton was trying to figure out what happened and probably heard the PA announcer say "made basket" and the scoreboard changed.

[Wheelhouse]

I actually thought the color guy last night was pretty solid. Don't remember his name.

[X-band '01]

Former Creighton player Nick Bahe.

[X Factor]

I actually thought the color guy last night was pretty solid. Don't remember his name.

Yeah I thought he was solid.

[bobbiemcgee]

Mack was pissed off:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty9S2fUsodo

[Masterofreality]

Mack was pissed off:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty9S2fUsodo

He didn't do the post game radio show- He sent Mike Pegues out. Probably didn't want to say something he'd regret.

[Cheesehead]

"I'm the leader of the ship and our ship sucked tonight."

Damnnnnn

He is absolutely right.

[bleedXblue]

yeah just a little pissed off. Good, he should have been.

[STL_XUfan]

"I'm the leader of the ship and our ship sucked tonight."

Damnnnnn

He is absolutely right.

Shannon has a rough job having to deal with a coach that never gives her any worthwhile quotes.

[xu82]

I like that we "sucked" in a comfortable win. I don't like the lack of intensity and focus, but we didn't drop a game and they should learn from this.

[STL_XUfan]

I like that we "sucked" in a comfortable win. I don't like the lack of intensity and focus, but we didn't drop a game and they should learn from this.

Learning while winning is a wonderful luxury

[muskiefan82]

Learning while winning is a wonderful luxury

This is a true sign that Xavier really is a top notch program. When you can just show up, play with no energy, and still win by double digits, you really have something special

[paulxu]

Man, is that the shortest press conference on record?
That was one unhappy coach.
And Gates took the brunt with the reference to minutes played, having a TO and lofting one into the stands.
Hope they are ready for Thursday.

Edit: to follow up on my comment, you know I went and saw Gates play a couple times last year. As opposed to some of our guys, he doesn't exhibit a lot of emotion when he plays. Hope it doesn't hurt him and be taken as a lack of effort.

[MADXSTER]

Cronin wouldn't have said "We" just sayin

[bobbiemcgee]

I think Mack is just tired of the crappy attitude going into these tournaments the last few years and wanted to fire up the troops, and yeah, their play was lackluster.

[XUFan09]

Edit: to follow up on my comment, you know I went and saw Gates play a couple times last year. As opposed to some of our guys, he doesn't exhibit a lot of emotion when he plays. Hope it doesn't hurt him and be taken as a lack of effort.

Paul, you know as well as I that this hope is almost guaranteed to not come true. Cue the next time Gates misses an assignment: "Look at him! He just doesn't care!"

[muskiefan82]

I think Mack is just tired of the crappy attitude going into these tournaments the last few years and wanted to fire up the troops, and yeah, their play was lackluster.

I sat through the game, never felt a whole lot of energy, but also never felt that there was any chance X would actually lose. As much as I disliked the overall effort (A few players excepted - Blueitt for one), they STILL won by 12. No energy and still win by 12. It used to take 40 minutes of all out effort to squeak out wins against lower level teams. While they do need to step it up, I take solace in the talent level that can just show up and beat some teams. IT WAS NOT THIS WAY IN THE PAST. It was not that way just a year or two ago. Evansville and Bowling Green from two seasons ago come to mind. I am hoping that X is now talented enough that when they have an early season blip while they put it all together that instead of a loss to learn from, they come out with a win to learn from. It's a much better feeling to leave Cintas or anywhere with a win and something to work on than a loss and stuff to work on.

[bleedXblue]

I think something has to be said about going from playing a top 25 team on the road, to playing a team that isn't much of a challenge is hard to get up for. That's not an excuse.....just reality. Now, some of the guys trying to get more playing time...........I have a hard time understanding why they wouldn't be busting their ass. Lets hope we see a much different effort level tomorrow.

[GoMuskies]

This is a true sign that Xavier really is a top notch program. When you can just show up, play with no energy, and still win by double digits, you really have something special

Or, it means that you played a really shitty team.

[muskiefan82]

Or, it means that you played a really shitty team.

True, but I remember some good X teams that would have lost this game after a big win.

[GoMuskies]

True, but I remember some good X teams that would have lost this game after a big win.

I'm not sure Xavier has lost to a team as bad as NKU in the last 20 years.

The Massey Ratings comparison (a compilation of 19 different computer rankings) ranks NKU #303 out of 351 teams.

[Masterofreality]

I'm not sure Xavier has lost to a team as bad as NKU in the last 20 years.

The Massey Ratings comparison (a compilation of 19 different computer rankings) ranks NKU #303 out of 351 teams.

Wofford? , Miami O-2007, Ball State- 2003? Dookcane, anytime. Fordham-2005? All really bad.

[X-band '01]

I think Mack is just tired of the crappy attitude going into these tournaments the last few years and wanted to fire up the troops, and yeah, their play was lackluster.

Winner winner, chicken dinner. Someone else alluded to it in another thread, but there's a part of Mack that has to be ecstatic that he could go fire and brimstone on the team after a subpar effort against NKU. That effort is going to net a 1-2 record in Orlando at best. Given how Monmouth already beat UCLA and nearly beat USC, even that game is no gimme.

You don't necessarily want your season to be peaking right now, but you don't want to lay an egg in a tournament that is winnable right now.

[GoMuskies]

Wofford? , Miami O-2007, Ball State- 2003? Dookcane, anytime. Fordham-2005? All really bad.

All substantially better than 2015-16 NKU. That Fordham team actually didn't suck.

[X-band '01]

I'm not so sure about that, Go. That was a year where GW ran the table in the A-10 regular season and could only salvage an 8 seed out of that. Xavier was 10th out of 14 teams that season (and still got a 14 seed as the A-10 autobid winner that year).

[GoMuskies]

All from Sagarin ratings:

2005 Fordham - #174 (also on the road)
2003 Ball State - #150 (on the road)
2007-08 Miami - #85 (on the road)
2012-13 Wofford - #252 (okay, this is relatively close...but we all knew that Xavier '13 was shitty)
2008-09 Duquesne - #86 (and on the road)

[GIMMFD]

All from Sagarin ratings:

2005 Fordham - #174 (also on the road)
2003 Ball State - #150 (on the road)
2007-08 Miami - #85 (on the road)
2012-13 Wofford - #252 (okay, this is relatively close...but we all knew that Xavier '13 was shitty)
2008-09 Duquesne - #86 (and on the road)

What about the Oral Roberts loss after the Brawl? That had to of been a pretty bad one too.

[GoMuskies]

What about the Oral Roberts loss after the Brawl? That had to of been a pretty bad one too.

#94

[XUFan09]

#94
Yeah, that OR team was solid. Losing to them wasn't embarrassing, especially with personnel losses for the game. Getting destroyed was the embarrassing part.

Wofford is by far the closest, coming in at 259 on Kenpom, 21 spots ahead of NKU's (way too early) ranking. 21 spots is still significant, though.

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[Wheelhouse]

Or, it means that you played a really shitty team.

This.

We didn't play all that well and played with little energy. It happens and I don't think it's a big deal - it's one game and we're 4-0. However, NKU is not good (arguably very, very bad), hence the reason for Mack's disgust in the post game presser.

[X-Fan]

Yeah, that OR team was solid. Losing to them wasn't embarrassing, especially with personnel losses for the game. Getting destroyed was the embarrassing part.

Wofford is by far the closest, coming in at 259 on Kenpom, 21 spots ahead of NKU's (way too early) ranking. 21 spots is still significant, though.

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I still remember Dee Davis as a Frosh having to start at PG that game. Pretty cool to go from the inexperienced/unsure Frosh, to the hard nose, black eye, road warrior as a Senior. Taking down UC at UC, going toe to toe with the best guards in the Big East, and fearlessly leading the Muskies to the Sweet 16!

[XUFan09]

I still remember Dee Davis as a Frosh having to start at PG that game. Pretty cool to go from the inexperienced/unsure Frosh, to the hard nose, black eye, road warrior as a Senior. Taking down UC at UC, going toe to toe with the best guards in the Big East, and fearlessly leading the Muskies to the Sweet 16!
Yes! I still remember people saying that Dee was worthless after that game and that Justin Martin (!) was the only one worth a damn. Dee was a freshman backing up an All-American but was suddenly thrust into a role he was not prepared for, with the starting 2 and 3 (read: ballhandlers/playmakers) also out of the game. What did people expect?

It was also a good example of not judging freshmen by their first chance for extended minutes. Frequently that first time doesn't look pretty, but it doesn't say major things about the player's long-term prospects.

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[Wheelhouse]

It was also a good example of not judging freshmen by their first chance for extended minutes. Frequently that first time doesn't look pretty, but it doesn't say major things about the player's long-term prospects.

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Good perspective for everyone to adopt regarding Gates and London at this point.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Yes! I still remember people saying that Dee was worthless after that game and that Justin Martin (!) was the only one worth a damn. Dee was a freshman backing up an All-American but was suddenly thrust into a role he was not prepared for, with the starting 2 and 3 (read: ballhandlers/playmakers) also out of the game. What did people expect?

It was also a good example of not judging freshmen by their first chance for extended minutes. Frequently that first time doesn't look pretty, but it doesn't say major things about the player's long-term prospects.

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Happens every year. Cant understand, with the type of program we have (upper classment developing and leading the way usually annually), why people write off players as worthless or not any good so soon in their careers.

[LadyMuskie]

Happens every year. Cant understand, with the type of program we have (upper classment developing and leading the way usually annually), why people write off players as worthless or not any good so soon in their careers.

Choosing a player to piss and moan over all year long is a long-standing tradition at Xavier not unlike standing and clapping until the first basket is made. Other notable players to make such an appearance on the list include Kenny Frease, Dante Jackson, Jamel McLean, Lionel Chalmers and others. Kenny, in my opinion, got hit the hardest. Certain posters on this board even referred to him as a derogatory word for a female part of the anatomy. Good times. Great tradition.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Choosing a player to piss and moan over all year long is a long-standing tradition at Xavier not unlike standing and clapping until the first basket is made. Other notable players to make such an appearance on the list include Kenny Frease, Dante Jackson, Jamel McLean, Lionel Chalmers and others. Kenny, in my opinion, got hit the hardest. Certain posters on this board even referred to him as a derogatory word for a female part of the anatomy. Good times. Great tradition.

Jason Love got it bad too. BJ Raymond was on the list as well.

[X-band '01]

Choosing a player to piss and moan over all year long is a long-standing tradition at Xavier not unlike standing and clapping until the first basket is made. Other notable players to make such an appearance on the list include Kenny Frease, Dante Jackson, Jamel McLean, Lionel Chalmers and others. Kenny, in my opinion, got hit the hardest. Certain posters on this board even referred to him as a derogatory word for a female part of the anatomy. Good times. Great tradition.

When was Kenny ever called Brain?

(ducks)

[bobbiemcgee]

Jason Love got it bad too. BJ Raymond was on the list as well.
Dee got smacked around here too about this time last yr.:shocked:

[bjf123]

Don't forget Josh Duncan in his sophomore and part of his junior year.


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[D-West & PO-Z]

Don't forget Josh Duncan in his sophomore and part of his junior year.


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Yeah, good one.

[bleedXblue]

Sorry to break up the pat on the back party. I wish I was as perfect as you guys. LOL.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Sorry to break up the pat on the back party. I wish I was as perfect as you guys. LOL.

Dont be to hard on yourself, perfection isnt for most.

[Masterofreality]

Choosing a player to piss and moan over all year long is a long-standing tradition at Xavier not unlike standing and clapping until the first basket is made. Other notable players to make such an appearance on the list include Kenny Frease, Dante Jackson, Jamel McLean, Lionel Chalmers and others. Kenny, in my opinion, got hit the hardest. Certain posters on this board even referred to him as a derogatory word for a female part of the anatomy. Good times. Great tradition.

Public reps because the Ruler of all Things on this site has me in concrete shoes.

[xu82]

Public reps because the Ruler of all Things on this site has me in concrete shoes.

Don't go swimming!

[XUFan09]

Durrr, wrong thread.