Rpi

[birdman71]

Xu......#2

[Olsingledigit]

Xu......#2
Unfortunately it will take a big hit tonight and Thursday win or lose.

[xukeith]

The BE needs to win more. They have the 6th best winning %. We ned it higher so when we play conference games, everyone's rpi rises.
It is early but our SOS is awesome.

[SemajParlor]

I think our SOS is currently at #2, not our RPI - unless I'm missing something.

[birdman71]

I think our SOS is currently at #2, not our RPI - unless I'm missing something.


I know it is RPI. Might be SOS also.

[SemajParlor]

I know it is RPI. Might be SOS also.

?

http://realtimerpi.com/ncaab/

[waggy]

It been my experience that the realtime site isn't very accurate because they occassionally get a record or two wrong, which of course screws everything up.

[ammtd34]

It been my experience that the realtime site isn't very accurate because they occassionally get a record or two wrong, which of course screws everything up.

It also doesn't default to their RPI ratings, it defaults to the power rankings.

[paulxu]

#2 with a bullet.

http://www.rpiforecast.com/live-rpi.html

[X Factor]

After Advocare title, X sits at #3 in RPI.

[paulxu]

This is some interesting placement.

http://masseyratings.com/rate.php?s=cb&sub=NCAA I

[gladdenguy]

http://www.rpiforecast.com/live-rpi.html

Before the tournament Sagarin had us finishing with a record of 18-10. Obviously the USC & Dayton games weren't on the prediction. Now, Sagarin has Xavier at 21-8 but hasn't updated through the Dayton game yet. Before the Dayton game Xavier was a predicted 1 point underdog to sUCks at home. I would expect that to change.

[Emp]

Unfortunately it will take a big hit tonight and Thursday win or lose.

But we get a big boost Dec 12 😉

[xubrew]

I'm decent with math, but wouldn't call myself an expert. So, for someone that is, is it ten games that need to be played before a team has more influence over their RPI than an individual opponent does??

For those that don't know what I mean by that. Your own win/loss record is 25% of the formula, and is roughly thirty games. Your opponents' win/loss records are 50 percent of the formula, but that's roughly 900 games. So, even though it's a much bigger percentage, there are so many games that an individual opponent doesn't impact your RPI more than the thirty games that you're ultimately playing.

But, we're still at a point in the season where I think that it does. In other words, with so few games being played, Xavier winnings impacts Dayton's RPI more than Dayton winning, and vice versa. There is a point where that changes, and I think it's after the tenth game, but I'm not sure. The RPI is interesting, but completely unreliable until it at least gets to a point to where individual opponents matter less than the team itself.

[waggy]

In terms of weight, Daytons record is currently 29.35% of the RPI, and will stay roughly the same over the course of the year. Xaviers record is currently 9.03%, and will steadily decline over the course of the year.

[waggy]

Currently #1 in RPI again.

[xukeith]

Way too early BUT this is cool.
rpi#1!! SOS #2!

BE has #2 winning %....(that is the most important stat!) keep winning BE! rpi will become realistic in mid January. Too fluid now.
http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2016/schedule/Xavier

[xavierj]

http://www.rpiforecast.com/live-rpi.html

Before the tournament Sagarin had us finishing with a record of 18-10. Obviously the USC & Dayton games weren't on the prediction. Now, Sagarin has Xavier at 21-8 but hasn't updated through the Dayton game yet. Before the Dayton game Xavier was a predicted 1 point underdog to sUCks at home. I would expect that to change.

Xavier will absolutely destroy UC. Just a terrible matchup for UC. Xavier is just way too long, athletic and has too many scorers for UC to hang in my opinion.

[bleedXblue]

Xavier will absolutely destroy UC. Just a terrible matchup for UC. Xavier is just way too long, athletic and has too many scorers for UC to hang in my opinion.

Yeah but haven't you been watching this game for several years? In this rivalry anything can happen.

[Cheesehead]

Xavier will absolutely destroy UC. Just a terrible matchup for UC. Xavier is just way too long, athletic and has too many scorers for UC to hang in my opinion.

Umm... Have you seen UC play? They are long and athletic too. But Xavier has more depth. I am anticipating a really good game but X should be able to wear UC down at the end at home. Anything can happen in this one.

[OTRMUSKIE]

This game won't even be close. X by 23 easily. As long at YTG is coaching, Xavier should win with no problem. I have no logic behind that but it's factual.

[xu82]

Umm... Have you seen UC play? They are long and athletic too. But Xavier has more depth. I am anticipating a really good game but X should be able to wear UC down at the end at home. Anything can happen in this one.

The way the whistles are blowing, that depth may just be the difference!

[MuskieCinci]

The way the whistles are blowing, that depth may just be the difference!

Especially since it seems like the last couple of seasons the refs have had a quicker whistle in the Shootout to make sure things don't get too physical and out of hand. Couple that with fouls are up across the board and one team might be in the bonus before the first TV timeout this year.

[paulxu]

It's just fun to look at while I wait for the next game.

http://www.rpiforecast.com/live-rpi.html

[XU 87]

X will beat Valpo by 20 when they meet in the NCAA finals.

[GoMuskies]

X will beat Valpo by 20 when they meet in the NCAA finals.

'brew begs to differ.

[xu82]

'brew begs to differ.

Wouldn't it be great to find out!

[paulxu]

I want the Tar Heels. I gotta a lot of scores to settle here in the Carolinas.

[waggy]

All Big East Final Four.

Is that greedy?

[paulxu]

All Big East Final Four.

Is that greedy?

Yes. But I could sell SO many tickets to people who wanted to watch ESPN implode.

[GoMuskies]

I want the Tar Heels. I gotta a lot of scores to settle here in the Carolinas.

My alma mater vs. my alma mater. That would be sweet. And VERY easy to choose for whom to root.

[gladdenguy]

Xavier will absolutely destroy UC. Just a terrible matchup for UC. Xavier is just way too long, athletic and has too many scorers for UC to hang in my opinion.


This game won't even be close. X by 23 easily. As long at YTG is coaching, Xavier should win with no problem. I have no logic behind that but it's factual.

I hope you guys are right. That would make my weekend. I wish I had that much faith in this game. I hate this game every year. If they are to win one at Cintas this might be the year.

[xu82]

I hope you guys are right. That would make my weekend. I wish I had that much faith in this game. I hate this game every year. If they are to win one at Cintas this might be the year.

I get your fear. I hope our depth with the bigs makes the difference and the minutes the young guys got earlier help to prepare them to participate in a glorious victory. That and shooting lights out helps a lot!

(JP? Fiesty type.... what to expect....?)

[paulxu]

My alma mater vs. my alma mater. That would be sweet. And VERY easy to choose for whom to root.

You better get ready. Kahn's and I are about to crash your little private circle with the other 2 jackwads.

Edit: how come Muskie and Wags aren't already in?

[GIMMFD]

I get your fear. I hope our depth with the bigs makes the difference and the minutes the young guys got earlier help to prepare them to participate in a glorious victory. That and shooting lights out helps a lot!

(JP? Fiesty type.... what to expect....?)

I agree with gladden, I'm never confident in a rivalry game, I think it'll get chippy and really depends on the foul situation, I would like it if Farr and Reynolds both didn't get into foul trouble, but it could be a great growing experience for London, and O'Mara. I don't know, I'm on the fence for this one. Part of me believes we blow them out of the water, another part of me could see UC pull the upset.

[Muncie]

It's Friday December 4th @ 4 AM and UC STILL sucks

[xuwin]

I agree with gladden, I'm never confident in a rivalry game, I think it'll get chippy and really depends on the foul situation, I would like it if Farr and Reynolds both didn't get into foul trouble, but it could be a great growing experience for London, and O'Mara. I don't know, I'm on the fence for this one. Part of me believes we blow them out of the water, another part of me could see UC pull the upset.

My biggest concern in a game like this is Jalen's self control. UC will try to bait him into an ejection.

[gladdenguy]

My biggest concern in a game like this is Jalen's self control. UC will try to bait him into an ejection.

I am really worried about this as well. Octavius Ellis (an outstanding citizen) is in the building again. That punk will get Jalen going. Jalen can also get him going. Just play ball, shoot lights out, play good defense, don't turn the ball over, and WIN the game.

[X-band '01]

My biggest concern in a game like this is Jalen's self control. UC will try to bait him into an ejection.


I am really worried about this as well. Octavius Ellis (an outstanding citizen) is in the building again. That punk will get Jalen going. Jalen can also get him going. Just play ball, shoot lights out, play good defense, don't turn the ball over, and WIN the game.

Dayton also tried to get into his head, but they were unsuccessful.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Dayton also tried to get into his head, but they were unsuccessful.

Yes this.

[muskiefan82]

Dayton also tried to get into his head, but they were unsuccessful.

It does not look like a watermelon so they lost interest.

[Emp]

Dayton also tried to get into his head, but they were unsuccessful.

You could see it. Jalen got elbowed walking back during a media time out, stopped, but didn't take the bait. I think he's turning a corner on that.

I'm more concerned about the PFs limiting his playing time. While I'm impressed with Farrs performance, the only guy we have with real hops vs athletic bigs is Jalen. We need 28-30 minutes out of Jalen vs top teams.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

It's 3:20 p.m., Dec.4,2015 and X is still # 1 in RPI.

[paulxu]

And with the nice day, the BE vaults into first in the conference RPI list.

[OTRMUSKIE]

X has fallen all the way to 13 :cursingmad:

[waggy]

No they haven't.

[xu82]

Well, that settles it.

[paulxu]

http://www.rpiforecast.com/live-rpi.html

[OTRMUSKIE]

X is back to #1. Live RPI .com shows in game RPI so it adjust every second, it's pretty neat. We were 13 rt after we won. Back to 1 no. Gonna get the number 1 seed!!!!

[UCGRAD4X]

X is back to #1. Live RPI .com shows in game RPI so it adjust every second, it's pretty neat. We were 13 rt after we won. Back to 1 no. Gonna get the number 1 seed!!!!

...just ahead of Valparaiso out of the mighty Horizon.


This is fun - and beats the hell (way) out of the alternative.

Let's go X!

[paulxu]

I blame Davidson for letting UNC to take over our spot.

[bobbiemcgee]

I blame Davidson for letting UNC to take over our spot.

Wow. That was the worst ass-kicking of a top A-10 team since.............

[Masterofreality]

Wow. That was the worst ass-kicking of a top A-10 team since.............

Friday night when Pitt pole axed Dookcane.......oh yeah, and some little game down in Orlando last weekend.

The A-10 is significantly bad this year, me thinks. Other than GW and, errrrr Fordham.

[MADXSTER]

RPI has dropped to 2. I expect a decent drop after the win on Tuesday.

[MADXSTER]

2 Xavier
4 Villanova
13 Providence
37 Butler
42 Seton Hall
113 Creighton
129 Georgetown
155 Marquette
158 St John's
208 DePaul

[muskiefan82]

2 Xavier
4 Villanova
13 Providence
37 Butler
42 Seton Hall
113 Creighton
129 Georgetown
155 Marquette
158 St John's
208 DePaul

DePaul. Good God, man. Even lousy St. Johns is at 158. Fordham is in the 150's too.

[Xville]

Seton hall is goingto be sneaky good in conference in my opinion. If they continue to improve, the next two years, they could be a top 3 team in conference with their young talent.

[xufan2434]

Seton hall is goingto be sneaky good in conference in my opinion. If they continue to improve, the next two years, they could be a top 3 team in conference with their young talent.

They've had the talent the last couple years come in.. All depends if they're going to implode again or not

Also, GTOWN's RPI should start drastically climbing

[waggy]

Prior to yesterday's games the BE was projected to be the #3 ranked conference. It is now projected to be 4th.

[xubrew]

It appears as though the Big East has five top 25 teams, and quite possibly five sub NIT teams.

XU
Nova
Providence
Butler
Georgetown

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Marquette
Seton Hall
Creighton
DePaul
Johnnies

[xubrew]

They've had the talent the last couple years come in.. All depends if they're going to implode again or not

Also, GTOWN's RPI should start drastically climbing

Yeah, since stubbing their toes against Radford, Georgetown has lost at Maryland by 4 and away from home against Duke by 2. They've also beaten Wisconsin and Syracuse rather handily. That's pretty damn good. That's REALLY good, actually. Their RPI will shoot up big time.

[MADXSTER]

RPI dropped to 5 after a 35 point win. Ugh

[GoMuskies]

RPI dropped to 5 after a 35 point win. Ugh

A 35 point win = a 1 point win

[MauriceX]

I looked for the first time at how a team's RPI is calculated last year, so I think I'm pretty solid on that portion. But does anyone know how the conference RPI is determined? Is it an average or aggregate? That is to say, does it hurt or help us by only having 10 teams? If it's an average, I'm assuming number of teams does not matter. Or does conference RPI have it's own algorithm?

If I had to guess, I'd guess average because it is the simple answer. But it doesn't seem like something as complicated as RPI would use anything simple.

[waggy]

Aggregate. Total wins and losses.

99% sure.

[XUFan09]

Yeah, pretty sure it just treats the conference as one big team.

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[Masterofreality]

VDump is now #2 in RPI. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.......HA!

[GoMuskies]

VDump is now #2 in RPI. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.......HA!

They've passed us as a program.

[Roach]

They've passed us as a program.

I love how this quote from I-forget-which Dayton poster lives on and on. It will never die. It illustrates so well how message board banter assumes a life of its own in a way quotes never could before the advent of the interwebs. Fools' foolishness becomes eternal.

In the same way, awesome quotes live on and on as well. "Were you there? Did you hear?" comes to mind, in this respect, as does "Romain Sato can't jump off one foot."

[muskiefan82]

Today's CBSSports Top 25 and 1 is a rogues gallery of teams I can't stand at the #20,21, and 22 lines. Butler, Dayton, and UC. Gonzaga is #25, but any animosity there is more towards Morrison that Gonzaga.

[Masterofreality]

I love how this quote from I-forget-which Dayton poster lives on and on. It will never die. It illustrates so well how message board banter assumes a life of its own in a way quotes never could before the advent of the interwebs. Fools' foolishness becomes eternal.

In the same way, awesome quotes live on and on as well. "Were you there? Did you hear?" comes to mind, in this respect, as does "Romain Sato can't jump off one foot."

As does "Jimmie Binnie is a human traffic cone out there, Joe" - Byron Freaking Larkin

[Masterofreality]

Today's CBSSports Top 25 and 1 is a rogues gallery of teams I can't stand at the #20,21, and 22 lines. Butler, Dayton, and UC. Gonzaga is #25, but any animosity there is more towards Morrison that Gonzaga.

Fixed that for you.

[muskiefan82]

Thanks. I went back and changed it. I like rogues gallery better as well.

[MADXSTER]

#12 Xavier University Musketeers (9-0) RPI 5, SOS 40, KENPOM 10

vs #23 The University in Cincinnati (8-1) RPI 79, SOS 201, KENPOM 21

Found this interesting

[xudash]

#12 Xavier University Musketeers (9-0) RPI 5, SOS 40, KENPOM 10

vs #23 The University in Cincinnati (8-1) RPI 79, SOS 201, KENPOM 21

Found this interesting

201. How nice. No wonder hardly anyone shows up at home to watch them.

[MuskieXU]

#12 Xavier University Musketeers (9-0) RPI 5, SOS 40, KENPOM 10

vs #23 The University in Cincinnati (8-1) RPI 79, SOS 201, KENPOM 21

Found this interesting

I honestly do not understand why Mick and UC schedule Robert Morris, Arkansas Pine Bluff, Southeastern Louisiana, Morgan St, etc. These teams are so bad that they effectively dont even count towards your record and actually hurt your RPI. The difference between playing the "bad" teams we play and the awful teams UC plays could cost them a seed or 2 in March.

[muskiefan82]

I honestly do not understand why Mick and UC schedule Robert Morris, Arkansas Pine Bluff, Southeastern Louisiana, Morgan St, etc. These teams are so bad that they effectively dont even count towards your record and actually hurt your RPI. The difference between playing the "bad" teams we play and the awful teams UC plays could cost them a seed or 2 in March.

So that they properly come together as a team when they are tested against teams like Butler and XU. Playing the creampuffs gives the team a chance to work out the kinks and become fundamentally sound so when the team is up against better competition they know how to respond so they can win a close game at the end. Wait..........

[XU '11]

So that they properly come together as a team when they are tested against teams like Butler and XU. Playing the creampuffs gives the team a chance to work out the kinks and become fundamentally sound so when the team is up against better competition they know how to respond so they can win a close game at the end. Wait..........

To be fair, Cincinnati has way more experience than Xavier in close, end-of-game situations this year...

[muskiefan82]

To be fair, Cincinnati has way more experience than Xavier in close, end-of-game situations this year...

Which is kind of sad given the 201 SOS rank.

[XU 87]

I honestly do not understand why Mick and UC schedule Robert Morris, Arkansas Pine Bluff, Southeastern Louisiana, Morgan St, etc. These teams are so bad that they effectively dont even count towards your record and actually hurt your RPI. The difference between playing the "bad" teams we play and the awful teams UC plays could cost them a seed or 2 in March.

I'm guessing, but it might have to do with how much those teams charge for "buy games". My understanding is that UC basketball struggles financially. XU basketball is flush with cash. Therefore, X has more money to spend on "buy games" and can "buy" better teams. UC has to "buy" cheaper and therefore not very good teams.

Or it could be that Cronin is a chickenshit who wants to assure himself of a lot of wins and therefore finds the worst teams in the country to play.

[muskiefan82]

I'm guessing, but it might have to do with how much those teams charge for "buy games". My understanding is that UC basketball struggles financially. XU basketball is flush with cash. Therefore, X has more money to spend on "buy games" and can "buy" better teams. UC has to "buy" cheaper and therefore not very good teams.

Or it could be that Cronin is a chickenshit who wants to assure himself of a lot of wins and therefore finds the worst teams in the country to play.


OR, it's both - which works for YTG. He certainly doesn't like it when teams like Butler come in and steal his Lucky Charms.

[nuts4xu]

I'm guessing, but it might have to do with how much those teams charge for "buy games". My understanding is that UC basketball struggles financially. XU basketball is flush with cash. Therefore, X has more money to spend on "buy games" and can "buy" better teams. UC has to "buy" cheaper and therefore not very good teams.

Or it could be that Cronin is a chickenshit who wants to assure himself of a lot of wins and therefore finds the worst teams in the country to play.

This theory makes a lot of sense.

My guess was Mick was used to scheduling cream puffs from the days of UC playing in the Big East. That strategy was suspect then, and will work against UC if this continues. When you play in the AAC, you have to boost your noncon schedule for a variety of reasons.

UC has talent and will be a good test on Saturday. They have had a weak schedule so far, but the next 7 games will show what they are made of.

After Xavier, UC plays the following:

Norfolk State - RPI 264, SOS 301 KENPOM 211
@ VCU - RPI 108, SOS 98 KENPOM 40
Iowa State - RPI 9, SOS 60 KENPOM 12
Temple - RPI 80, SOS 15 KENPOM 90
Tulsa - RPI 50, SOS 26 KENPOM 56
@ SMU - RPI 10, SOS 68 KENPOM 20

[MuskieXU]

I'm guessing, but it might have to do with how much those teams charge for "buy games". My understanding is that UC basketball struggles financially. XU basketball is flush with cash. Therefore, X has more money to spend on "buy games" and can "buy" better teams. UC has to "buy" cheaper and therefore not very good teams.

Or it could be that Cronin is a chickenshit who wants to assure himself of a lot of wins and therefore finds the worst teams in the country to play.

Having less money for buy games was my thought as well. Any decent coach should know how much playing 300+ RPI teams hurts your RPI and would avoid them as much as possible.

[surfxu]

Having less money for buy games was my thought as well. Any decent coach should know how much playing 300+ RPI teams hurts your RPI and would avoid them as much as possible.

That's the key right there... that's where YTG falls short... pun intended.

[UCGRAD4X]

This theory makes a lot of sense.

My guess was Mick was used to scheduling cream puffs from the days of UC playing in the Big East. That strategy was suspect then, and will work against UC if this continues. When you play in the AAC, you have to boost your noncon schedule for a variety of reasons.

UC has talent and will be a good test on Saturday. They have had a weak schedule so far, but the next 7 games will show what they are made of.

After Xavier, UC plays the following:

Norfolk State - RPI 264, SOS 301 KENPOM 211
@ VCU - RPI 108, SOS 98 KENPOM 40
Iowa State - RPI 9, SOS 60 KENPOM 12
Temple - RPI 80, SOS 15 KENPOM 90
Tulsa - RPI 50, SOS 26 KENPOM 56
@ SMU - RPI 10, SOS 68 KENPOM 20

Seth Davis predicting first losses for both Iowa and SMU to the Barelycats

(FWIW)

[UCGRAD4X]

oh yeah...after conceding that not being the case Saturday -

"I’ll give the Musketeers a win over Cincinnati on Saturday..."

Thanks Seth!

[xu82]

oh yeah...after conceding that not being the case Saturday -

"I’ll give the Musketeers a win over Cincinnati on Saturday..."

Thanks Seth!

So.... do we still have to play?

[paulxu]

Back to #1.

[GoMuskies]

Back to #1.

I see us #3 behind UNC and Iowa State.

[xu82]

Is that after UNC's second loss?

[paulxu]

Yikes! Wrong thread. I meant the BE was back to being #1 conference, not X.

[xu82]

Yikes! Wrong thread. I meant the BE was back to being #1 conference, not X.

We're all good with that too!

[GoMuskies]

Big XII has overtaken us for the time being. But DePaul is playing top 10 RPI UALR right now, and with a win that might push the Big East back on top. Bad news is that UALR has a 9 point lead.

[XU 87]

I see us #3 behind UNC and Iowa State.

Still #3 as of today. And the season has been long enough where the RPI has some significance at this point.

[Muncie]

Now back to #1 http://www.rpiforecast.com/live-rpi.html

[GoMuskies]

Big East is down to #3 in Conference RPI.

[Xville]

Big East is down to #3 in Conference RPI.


And I think this is where we should be...we are a good league but in my opinion the big 12 is definitely better, the acc and the big ten probably both better at the top, but overall could argue either way

[MauriceX]

Now back to #1 http://www.rpiforecast.com/live-rpi.html

I clicked on Xavier to see their predictions for the rest of the year. I was surprised that there are only two games where X is not favored to win... @Villanova and @Butler. I figured there would be a few more games in conference where X was not the favorite. In fact, after being a small favorite to win over Villanova at home, we have win probabilities over 65% for the rest of our games.

[Muncie]

I like Massey as a computer ranking site http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&sub=NCAA%20I

[XU 87]

I like Massey as a computer ranking site http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&sub=NCAA%20I

Not as high as RPI, but it still lists X as one of the best teams in the country. And X is one of the best teams in the country.

[GoMuskies]

I like Massey as a computer ranking site http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&sub=NCAA%20I

I prefer Pugh. http://www.compughterratings.com/CBB/ratings

And Bihl: http://jeffbihl.com/bwin.html

And Warren Nolan: http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2016/npi

And 7 Overtimes: http://sevenovertimes.com/

[XU 87]

I prefer Pugh. http://www.compughterratings.com/CBB/ratings

And Bihl: http://jeffbihl.com/bwin.html

And Warren Nolan: http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2016/npi

And 7 Overtimes: http://sevenovertimes.com/

I think Go has a point here.

[paulxu]

And Colley

here: http://colleyrankings.com/hcurconf.html

and here: http://colleyrankings.com/hcurrank.html

[Muncie]

I like the way Massey is a composite

[GoMuskies]

I like the way Massey is a composite

The Massey you linked to is not a composite. That's Massey's personal ranking.

[GoMuskies]

Here's the composite. http://www.masseyratings.com/cb/compare.htm

[bobbiemcgee]

http://colleyrankings.com/hoops1516/rank151212.html

[X-band '01]

And I think this is where we should be...we are a good league but in my opinion the big 12 is definitely better, the acc and the big ten probably both better at the top, but overall could argue either way

But those leagues are utter dog schidt at the bottom. Penn State, Rutgers, Boston College, Clemson, Georgia Tech. Only DePaul in the Big East comes close to that mark.

[Xville]

But those leagues are utter dog schidt at the bottom. Penn State, Rutgers, Boston College, Clemson, Georgia Tech. Only DePaul in the Big East comes close to that mark.

are you trying to tell me that Rutergs wouldn't win the A-10 :) ? I agree though the bottom is bad...but when you have 14-15 teams, the bottom is going to be a bit bigger no matter what.

[paulxu]

Up to 6th in the Composite.

[Masterofreality]

Hey, we're back to Number 1 in RPI!!!!!

But 65th in BPI....:lmao:

[MuskieXU]

Hey, we're back to Number 1 in RPI!!!!!

But 65th in BPI....:lmao:

Where are you seeing BPI?

[Masterofreality]

And how bad is the AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC? SMU is banned from the tournament. Their alleged flagship SucKS is way overrated and can't score. UCon has lost 3 games already and Temple is 4-4.

The league is ranked 9 in RPI- behind the mediocre A10. can't wait to see those throngs of tens at the AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC league tourney in Orlando this year. I'm sure South Florida's fans travel well.

ESPN is probably making plans to move the entire league tournament broadcast schedule to ESPN3.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Where are you seeing BPI?

Ha, I'm guessing MOR was making a joke.

Here is BPI:

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bpi

#5

[D-West & PO-Z]

And how bad is the AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC? SMU is banned from the tournament. Their alleged flagship SucKS is way overrated and can't score. UCon has lost 3 games already and Temple is 4-4.

The league is ranked 9 in RPI- behind the mediocre A10. can't wait to see those throngs of tens at the AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC league tourney in Orlando this year. I'm sure South Florida's fans travel well.

ESPN is probably making plans to move the entire league tournament broadcast schedule to ESPN3.

I had UC fans trying to argue with me before the shootout that the AAC and The Big East were pretty much equal.

HA. HA. HA.

[X-band '01]

They must be the same delusional fans who think the A-10 is a top tier conference because of 3 teams in the RPI Top 10.

[muskiefan82]

the A-10 is a top tier conference. Their top tier is good. The rest of them not so much.

[GoMuskies]

Up to 6th in the Composite.

5th in the Composite now. Xavier is #1 in 6 of the 32 polls.

[GoMuskies]

Xavier has opened a rather wide lead at #1 in the RPI according to rpiforecast.com.

[XUMIOH12]

Xavier has opened a rather wide lead at #1 in the RPI according to rpiforecast.com.

its nice to be #1 in the RPI. I dont put much value in to it at this point, but its definitely great to see.

[waggy]

Even at its best there are much more accurate rating/ranking systems than the RPI.

[GoMuskies]

RPI is shit. Except when it says we are #1.

[D-West & PO-Z]

And except for the fact that it seems the committee uses it even though every year people talk about how worthless it is.

[XUMIOH12]

And except for the fact that it seems the committee uses it even though every year people talk about how worthless it is.

yes. the committee likes it and its always one of the numbers thrown around when talking about tournament placement.

[waggy]

The RPI is not influenced by running up the score. Which I'm sure is its most attractive feature to the NCAA.

[XUFan09]

Xavier's RPI doesn't actually matter to Xavier. Their opponents' RPI does, though, as does the SOS. We're a couple more weeks from these numbers being more solidified, but Xavier's nonconference SOS is projected at #41. There's still a lot of variance for individual opponents, but here are the current standings of Xavier's top 100 wins:

@ Michigan 65.5 (Counts essentially as a top 25 win on a neutral court)
vs. Alabama 96.3
vs. USC 26.4
vs. Dayton 20.0
Cincinnati 22.8 (Counts essentially as a 50-75 win on a neutral court)

I'll reiterate: Lots of variance due to come, with only 1/3 of the season completed so far.

[xubrew]

are you trying to tell me that Rutergs wouldn't win the A-10 :) ? I agree though the bottom is bad...but when you have 14-15 teams, the bottom is going to be a bit bigger no matter what.

Which is another reason why it's so stupid to have that many.

[paulxu]

The Big12 has the same number of teams as the BE, but so far have played 11 less games.
I suspect they'll average 11 OOC games not 12. I wonder if that's conscious to manage their RPI better.

[MADXSTER]

What surprises me is how much distance Xavier has between 1st and 2nd in the RPI

1) Xavier .7223
2) Villanova .6782

That is a lot. Most of the time .0040 is a big gap.

[MauriceX]

RPI Forecast has X's expected RPI rank to be 4.4 at the end of the season... but if you look at all of the teams, they don't predict anyone to have a better RPI than us... so wouldn't that mean they are predicting our RPI rank will be 1? I'm confused.

http://www.rpiforecast.com/index2.html

[xu82]

RPI is shit. Except when it says we are #1.

That's how I see it!

[XUFan09]

RPI Forecast has X's expected RPI rank to be 4.4 at the end of the season... but if you look at all of the teams, they don't predict anyone to have a better RPI than us... so wouldn't that mean they are predicting our RPI rank will be 1? I'm confused.

http://www.rpiforecast.com/index2.html
RPI Forecast weights by the probabilities of each record, coming up with an average RPI. Thus, no team this early on will have an average that high because the RPI can't be less than 1 and because the lesser records' probabilities are weighing down the average.

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[GoMuskies]

RPI Forecast weights by the probabilities of each record, coming up with an average RPI. Thus, no team this early on will have an average that high because the RPI can't be less than 1 and because the lesser records' probabilities are weighing down the average.

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I think what you meant to say is yes. According to RPI Forecasts, Xavier currently has the highest probability of any team in the country to finish #1 in the RPI.

[XUFan09]

I think what you meant to say is yes. According to RPI Forecasts, Xavier currently has the highest probability of any team in the country to finish #1 in the RPI.
Lol you know me. I have to give the detailed answer.

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[GoMuskies]

What surprises me is how much distance Xavier has between 1st and 2nd in the RPI

1) Xavier .7223
2) Villanova .6782

That is a lot. Most of the time .0040 is a big gap.

Put another way, #17 Monmouth is closer to #2 Villanova than #2 Villanova is to #1 Xavier.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Put another way, #17 Monmouth is closer to #2 Villanova than #2 Villanova is to #1 Xavier.

Wow, that is awesome.

[waggy]

X is breaking the RPI. #1 in SOS too.

[D-West & PO-Z]

X is breaking the RPI. #1 in SOS too.

Link? I cant find an updated one.

[waggy]

http://www.rpiforecast.com/

[D-West & PO-Z]

Thanks

[drudy23]

http://www.rpiforecast.com/live-rpi.html

[XUFan09]

http://www.rpiforecast.com/

RPI Forecast isn't updated yet, probably will be later tonight or tomorrow morning.

[GoMuskies]

Xavier's lead over #2 has grown to greater than .05.

[paulxu]

Yikes. No BE team has lost yet today, but our conference RPI has slipped to 4th.

[XMuskieFTW]

Difference between X and 2nd in RPI is the difference between 2nd and 29th. Wow.

[chico]

I've always thought of RPI was about as accurate in ranking teams as BMI is in determining one's health. But I now realize that analogy is awful, and that RPI is the best tool around.

[UCGRAD4X]

Not that I give two craps about dayton, but noticed they are 7 with a SOS of 3. Good for them. Makes getting beat by X hurt even more.:jig:

[muskiefan82]

Not that I give two craps about dayton, but noticed they are 7 with a SOC of 3. Good for them. Makes getting beat by X hurt even more.:jig:

Well, they did just handle Miami, OH.

[ammtd34]

Well, they did just handle Miami, OH.

"Handle."

[UCGRAD4X]

Well, they did just handle Miami, OH.

Not sure how much that plays into SOS...

[muskiefan82]

1 point is fairly impressive for the melonabusers

[MuskieXU]

Difference between X and 2nd in RPI is the difference between 2nd and 29th. Wow.

Nice stat. Very impressive.

[Masterofreality]

Having the #1 RPI & #1 SOS is above average.

[GoMuskies]

It's not RPI, it's BPI, but the results are the same. The ESPN bias could only keep us down for so long.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bpi

[Masterofreality]

It's not RPI, it's BPI, but the results are the same. The ESPN bias could only keep us down for so long.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bpi

Providence at 37- despite beating Arizona (who is 26) and lower than VD and SucKS.
ESPN can only hold down for so long, but they suuuuuuuuure continue to try.
There's liars, damn liars and statistics from ESPN.

[xukeith]

Providence at 37- despite beating Arizona (who is 26) and lower than VD and SucKS.
ESPN can only hold down for so long, but they suuuuuuuuure continue to try.
There's liars, damn liars and statistics from ESPN.

Friars have a great record but not a strong SOS but their record will get them in the dance.
Marquette is the worst. 10-2 against the 309th records.

[xukeith]

It's not RPI, it's BPI, but the results are the same. The ESPN bias could only keep us down for so long.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bpi

Why is XU #1 and Mich. St, #2? They have identical numbers. I am not complaining.

[MuskieXU]

Why is XU #1 and Mich. St, #2? They have identical numbers. I am not complaining.

No idea. MSU is actually .01 pts higher when you remove rounding which would technically put them at #1 and us at #2, but as you said I am not complaining.

[XU 87]

I think that where a team's RPI is at this point in the season is a decent predicator of approximately where a team will be at the end of a season. Some teams will certainly make significant movement, both up or down, but the fact that X is #1 at this point says to me they potentially could be at or close to #1 at the end of the season, if they win most of the remaining games.

[muethibp]

I think that where a team's RPI is at this point in the season is a decent predicator of approximately where a team will be at the end of a season. Some teams will certainly make significant movement, both up or down, but the fact that X is #1 at this point says to me they potentially could be at or close to #1 at the end of the season, if they win most of the remaining games.

There's truth in that. Non-conference is so important in the RPI. There's only so much you can do after the first of the year to move the needle. Just ask UC based on all of those years of playing Directional Alabama Tech in November and December.

[Muncie]

X #3 on Massey this week http://www.masseyratings.com/cb/compare.htm

[paulxu]

Must be tough to be in the AAC.
9th in RPI behind the A10 and Colonial.
Only 1 team in the Top 25, and they're on probation or something.
That's the only team they've got with an RPI of under 50.

[UCGRAD4X]

Must be tough to be in the AAC.
9th in RPI behind the A10 and Colonial.
Only 1 team in the Top 25, and they're on probation or something.
That's the only team they've got with an RPI of under 50.

OUCH!:seestars2:

[paulxu]

I think we drug Villanova up to #2 behind us.

[paulxu]

At 13-1, we beat a top 10 team, and lost to #16.
I would guess we drop from 6th to 8th, 9th maybe.
That is what should happen. It's probably not what will happen.

[Juice]

At 13-1, we beat a top 10 team, and lost to #16.
I would guess we drop from 6th to 8th, 9th maybe.
That is what should happen. It's probably not what will happen.

Agreed. Voters too often think about what happened that week and not necessarily the overall resume. X's resume is one of the better ones in the country regardless of the loss this week, which is still a "good" loss.

[LA Muskie]

Agreed. Voters too often think about what happened that week and not necessarily the overall resume. X's resume is one of the better ones in the country regardless of the loss this week, which is still a "good" loss.

I'm not sure there's any such thing as a good loss. But it certainly wasn't a bad loss (score notwithstanding).


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[Steve A]

X currently has more top 50 RPI wins (5) than any team in the country. Interestingly, the team in Clifton doesn't even count as a top 100 win right now.

[paulxu]

I hope it irritates the ESPN guys when they have to talk about Xavier and Nova being #1 and #2 in the RPI.

[paulxu]

X currently has more top 50 RPI wins (5) than any team in the country. Interestingly, the team in Clifton doesn't even count as a top 100 win right now.

Where is a handy site to see Top 50 wins?

[xeus]

I'm not sure there's any such thing as a good loss. But it certainly wasn't a bad loss (score notwithstanding).


Assuming that losses are going to happen, and that some are worse than others, I think there is such a thing as a "good" loss. I think "good" is only used as a relative term - it doesn't mean the loss was a blessing.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Where is a handy site to see Top 50 wins?

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi

You can look here Paul and it breaks it down to 1-25, 26-50, 51-100, or you can click on each individual team and it will show you a list of those teams they've beaten.

[GoMuskies]

Getting throttled by 31 is never a good loss. It doesn't have to be a disaster, though, and hopefully after yesterday and with the bottom feeders to come the potential crisis has been averted.

[D-West & PO-Z]

X currently has more top 50 RPI wins (5) than any team in the country. Interestingly, the team in Clifton doesn't even count as a top 100 win right now.

Currently the following teams are better wins for us RPI wise than UC:

-UM
-USC
-Bama
-UD
-Butler
-Western KY
-Auburn
-Wake

[paulxu]

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi

You can look here Paul and it breaks it down to 1-25, 26-50, 51-100, or you can click on each individual team and it will show you a list of those teams they've beaten.

Thanks!

[xu82]

Getting throttled by 31 is never a good loss. It doesn't have to be a disaster, though, and hopefully after yesterday and with the bottom feeders to come the potential crisis has been averted.
Yeah, getting crushed is never a good thing. I do believe the circumstances will help us some with people looking at our team, but computer rankings didn't see Ed going onto the stretcher. Regardless, we split a couple of big games with a big loss and a big win. I'll take it!

[xavierj]

Getting throttled by 31 is never a good loss. It doesn't have to be a disaster, though, and hopefully after yesterday and with the bottom feeders to come the potential crisis has been averted.

UCONN lost 81-48 to Louisville a couple of years ago in March and then won it all. They also didnt lose their best player in the game. No big deal.

[GoMuskies]

UCONN lost 81-48 to Louisville a couple of years ago

Yes, and that wasn't a good loss, either.

[xavierj]

Yes, and that wasn't a good loss, either.

No loss is a good loss, no matter the score. UCONN got blasted and won it all. Game had no barring on success.

[GoMuskies]

That has nothing to do with what we're talking about, but okay.

[Masterofreality]

I hope it irritates the ESPN guys when they have to talk about Xavier and Nova being #1 and #2 in the RPI.

They won't. They'll reference their schlock BPI stat.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bpi

[paulxu]

What's a BPI? Bilas Posturing Incoherently?

[xavierj]

That has nothing to do with what we're talking about, but okay.

what are you talking about then?

[LA Muskie]

They won't. They'll reference their schlock BPI stat.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bpi

1. ESPN used primarily AP rankings and RPI in their reporting. They did come up with heir own "advanced" metric -- BPI -- but they hardly focus on it.

2. Since they introduced it, the BPI has consistently favored us over nearly every other ranking system, whether subjective or objective.


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[GoMuskies]

what are you talking about then?

If there are "good" losses and, if so, what do they look like. If they exist (and I tend to agree with xeus that some losses are better than others even IF there's no "good" loss), they certainly do not look like what we saw on Thursday.

[Masterofreality]

1. ESPN used primarily AP rankings and RPI in their reporting. They did come up with heir own "advanced" metric -- BPI -- but they hardly focus on it.

Hmmmmmmmm. But it is featured on their website next to all the other rankings. They haven't done away with it. I don't watch their pap so I have no idea what they allegedly "focus" on, but it's their own created metric- and they have no lack of hubris when it comes to their own garbage.

2. Since they introduced it, the BPI has consistently favored us over nearly every other ranking system, whether subjective or objective.

What? There is only 1 Big East team in their BPI Top 10- us at 10- as opposed to most other rankings. And I have no idea what us meant by "consistently favored". It sure as hell isn't "favoring" anyone in the Big East now. Sagarin has us at 6. RPI is 1. Massey has us at 3. By the way, the BPI also has Arizona rated higher than Providence- by 7 spots- even though Providence beat them fair and square.

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See above

[LA Muskie]

By consistently I meant up until now. As in the last few years.

I'm not defending the BPI. I frankly don't like it. But others (perhaps not you) have referred to the BPI when it has favored us. Which up until now has been more often than not. Which is what I meant by "consistently" although in retrospect that may not have been the best word choice.


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[paulxu]

From 3rd to 6th in the composite. Will be interesting to see the AP today.

http://www.masseyratings.com/cb/compare.htm

[GoMuskies]

Still #1 in the RPI but getting closer with Nova.

[xu82]

Still #1 in the RPI but getting closer with Nova.

I'm just happy to be closer to first than last. They were horrible and we were lucky to be slightly above that.

[Strange Brew]

#1 in the RPI

After 15 games. Worth repeating.

[UCGRAD4X]

After 15 games. Worth repeating.

http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_Men.html

Shocked that the SOS is #2.

[paulxu]

Actually #3 SOS when you put St Johns in the mix.

http://www.rpiforecast.com/live-rpi.html

[UCGRAD4X]

Actually #3 SOS when you put St Johns in the mix.

http://www.rpiforecast.com/live-rpi.html

Huh. Realtime rpi still has us at 13-1. So much for real time.

Still, dropping only 1 SOS (#2 to #3) after playing SJU is surprising.

I guess it says something about the league when the bottom-feeders don't hurt SOS much at all.

(Missing A10 much?)

[D-West & PO-Z]

#2 in RPI behind Nova.

[GoMuskies]

Live RPI has Xavier still barely holding on to the top spot. Either way, you can kiss it goodbye tomorrow night.

http://www.rpiforecast.com/live-rpi.html

[THRILLHOUSE]

Live RPI has Xavier still barely holding on to the top spot. Either way, you can kiss it goodbye tomorrow night.

http://www.rpiforecast.com/live-rpi.html

Yeah, per the official RPI rating the NCAA uses, X is still #1 http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-rpi?cid=ncaastatssocial_tw_sf18566537

[D-West & PO-Z]

Oh I was looking at ESPNs, I didnt know they were different.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi

[D-West & PO-Z]

USC is our best RPI win (at least on the ESPN RPI page), who would have thought that?

[XUFan09]

USC is our best RPI win (at least on the ESPN RPI page), who would have thought that?
Yup, even in projected RPI, where they come in at 19, with UD close behind at 26.

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[Masterofreality]

Oh I was looking at ESPNs, I didnt know they were different.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi

Don't you know yet to screw ESPN, B? :jig:

[D-West & PO-Z]

Don't you know yet to screw ESPN, B? :jig:

Yeah I should have known better, but they had another BE team as #1 so I thought if they were going to have it wrong they would have had a non BE team there. Fool me once.....

[MauriceX]

I just noticed that ESPN RPI is different today too. There is actually a thing at the top that says it is Joe Lunardi and others' "recreation" of RPI. I'm guessing it is super close to RPI and is just a difference in rounding error or something, but ESPN's RPI is not the "real" RPI.

[UCGRAD4X]

I just noticed that ESPN RPI is different today too. There is actually a thing at the top that says it is Joe Lunardi and others' "recreation" of RPI. I'm guessing it is super close to RPI and is just a difference in rounding error or something, but ESPN's RPI is not the "real" RPI.

Hilarious.

When are they going to start 'recreating' the scores?

[X-man]

I just noticed that ESPN RPI is different today too. There is actually a thing at the top that says it is Joe Lunardi and others' "recreation" of RPI. I'm guessing it is super close to RPI and is just a difference in rounding error or something, but ESPN's RPI is not the "real" RPI.

If that were true, Xavier's RPI on ESPN would sometimes be higher and sometimes be lower than the real RPI. However ESPN's RPI for Xavier seems to be always lower. Thoughts, MOR?

[Masterofreality]

If that were true, Xavier's RPI on ESPN would sometimes be higher and sometimes be lower than the real RPI. However ESPN's RPI for Xavier seems to be always lower. Thoughts, MOR?

Simple: #ESPNConspiracy

And why bother "recreating" an RPI. They have their coveted "BPI"!

[WCWIII]

I looked into this a few years ago...

There is only one tricky point in calculating RPI ... Home/Away/Neutral is not always obvious. The teams winning percentage (25% of the RPI) uses 0.6, 1.4, 1.0 wins for a home/away/neutral win and similar for losses. Villanova played Stanford in Brooklyn ... Ken Pom calls it "Semi-home" but only the NCAA makes the official home/neutral determination (Pom calls it the way he wants for his purposes and doesn't care about the NCAA's determination nor the RPI).

The rest of the RPI is an exact formula that either you have correct or you don't. The SOS part is an exact calculation with a couple nuisances (how do you average when you play a team multiple times etc.). rpiforcast.com (http://rpiforecast.com/live-rpi.html) and even UDPride (http://www.udpride.com/images/rpi.htm) have traditionally been 100% correct (as in they even work out the handful of games that are not home/away/neutral obvious and get things to match when the NCAA releases the official RPI).

If an outfit like ESPN can't get it right, they should at least copy UD and fire their amateur bracketologists.

[paulxu]

If an outfit like ESPN can't get it right, they should at least copy UD and fire their amateur bracketologists.

At the risk of stating the obvious, why don't they just "copy" the official one the NCAA uses that is listed on the NCAA web site.

[WCWIII]

At the risk of stating the obvious, why don't they just "copy" the official one the NCAA uses that is listed on the NCAA web site.

The official one comes out once per week and some fans want to know up-to-the-moment or at least daily updated RPI's. It is what it is.

[Masterofreality]

I looked into this a few years ago...

There is only one tricky point in calculating RPI ... Home/Away/Neutral is not always obvious. The teams winning percentage (25% of the RPI) uses 0.6, 1.4, 1.0 wins for a home/away/neutral win and similar for losses. Villanova played Stanford in Brooklyn ... Ken Pom calls it "Semi-home" but only the NCAA makes the official home/neutral determination (Pom calls it the way he wants for his purposes and doesn't care about the NCAA's determination nor the RPI).

The rest of the RPI is an exact formula that either you have correct or you don't. The SOS part is an exact calculation with a couple nuisances (how do you average when you play a team multiple times etc.). rpiforcast.com (http://rpiforecast.com/live-rpi.html) and even UDPride (http://www.udpride.com/images/rpi.htm) have traditionally been 100% correct (as in they even work out the handful of games that are not home/away/neutral obvious and get things to match when the NCAA releases the official RPI).

If an outfit like ESPN can't get it right, they should at least copy UD and fire their amateur bracketologists.

Trust this man. He's a Rocket Scientist. Really! No BS.

I told my Musketette Grad daughter when I introduced her to WCWIII that he had more brains in his left frontal lobe than she and I did in our combined entire skulls.

[drudy23]

We plummeted to #2 in live-rpi.com. Mack needs to go.

[Masterofreality]

We plummeted to #2 in live-rpi.com. Mack needs to go.

By .0002 pts. CMack should have paid more attention to detail.

[GoMuskies]

By .0002 pts. CMack should have paid more attention to detail.

Wait until after DePaul comes into Cintas tonight. We'll probably be behind by some ridiculous margin like .001 after tonight.

[drudy23]

Now we're down to 3...fire AD and President too.

[GoMuskies]

Drop DePaul from the league. No, seriously.

[muethibp]

I assume Michigan beating Maryland will help.

[GoMuskies]

Neat trick for Kansas to move ahead of us on a day when they lose.

[Masterofreality]

Yeah, thanks for throwing up all over our Buick's door, DePuke!!

[Masterofreality]

Back up to #2. Could be 1 again by nights end. Bama beating South Carolina & 'Nova down at half.

[GoMuskies]

Suck it Kansas

[Masterofreality]

Duke is down to 22 RPI- at least until the refs fix it. :rolleyes:

[UCGRAD4X]

Duke is down to 22 RPI- at least until the refs fix it. :rolleyes:

Yes. This will be exhibit #1 that there is a serious flaw in the RPI (not that there isn't - just not for this reason specifically)

[GoMuskies]

#3 now. Oklahoma has climbed to the top of the mountain.

[bleedXblue]

#3 now. Oklahoma has climbed to the top of the mountain.

Good game tonight vs Iowa State

[X-band '01]

The top of the Big 12 (Oklahoma, Kansas, West Virginia, Baylor and Iowa State) is insane. Then there's a cliff, Texas, and another cliff.

[paulxu]

Today's fun factoid: Only 5 teams were undefeated OOC. Here they are in order of their OOC SOS.

Xavier 12-0 (10)
Oklah 11-0 (53)
SMU 11-0 (64)
MSU 13-0 (68)
SoCar 12-0 (252)

[X-band '01]

SMU still has a home game against Gonzaga, so they'll have an opportunity to climb a little bit higher.

[xukeith]

[QUOTE=X-band '01;532196]SMU still has a home game against Gonzaga, so they'll have an opportunity to climb a little bit higher.[/QUOT

I don't count SMU this year as they are not eligible to dance so they can go undefeated or be ranked higher than X and I don't care because nothing they do this year competes with X.

[UCGRAD4X]

Today's fun factoid: Only 5 teams were undefeated OOC. Here they are in order of their OOC SOS.

Xavier 12-0 (10)
Oklah 11-0 (53)
SMU 11-0 (64)
MSU 13-0 (68)
SoCar 12-0 (252)

That is a huge jump from XU to OK (then a huger on from MSU to SoCar)

[sirthought]

The SOS of 10 strikes me as funny, because I don't view our schedule this season as looking particularly tougher than other recent seasons (past 10 years). I feel like they always schedule decent OOC matchups, while not getting much opportunity to play blue blood programs (Duke, UK, UNC, OSU, KU). That's based on the eyeball test and what I hear about other programs going into a season.

To me their conference schedule was always a challenge in the A10. It's probably tougher in the Big East, but not as much as you think based solely off Big East rankings/media coverage.

[GoMuskies]

Maybe the OOC schedule didn't seem all that imposing, but just think about that Orlando Tournament that our team stormed through. The 7th place game featured Iowa and Wichita State. Again, that was the SEVENTH place game. Those two teams could easily meet again in the Sweet Sixteen. Sprinkle in some solid but not spectacular Cincy, Wake and Michigan teams, and that's a pretty solid resume. Most teams do not challenge themselves that much in the non-con.

[X-band '01]

I don't count SMU this year as they are not eligible to dance so they can go undefeated or be ranked higher than X and I don't care because nothing they do this year competes with X.

Just because SMU is ineligible doesn't mean that they don't exist.


The SOS of 10 strikes me as funny, because I don't view our schedule this season as looking particularly tougher than other recent seasons (past 10 years). I feel like they always schedule decent OOC matchups, while not getting much opportunity to play blue blood programs (Duke, UK, UNC, OSU, KU). That's based on the eyeball test and what I hear about other programs going into a season.

To me their conference schedule was always a challenge in the A10. It's probably tougher in the Big East, but not as much as you think based solely off Big East rankings/media coverage.

Orlando is the gift that keeps on giving thanks to Alabama, USC and Dayton.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Maybe the OOC schedule didn't seem all that imposing, but just think about that Orlando Tournament that our team stormed through. The 7th place game featured Iowa and Wichita State. Again, that was the SEVENTH place game. Those two teams could easily meet again in the Sweet Sixteen. Sprinkle in some solid but not spectacular Cincy, Wake and Michigan teams, and that's a pretty solid resume. Most teams do not challenge themselves that much in the non-con.

Yes this, may not seem all that difficult by names of teams on jersey, or expectations for those teams when we played them, but look at those teams numbers now. I think I saw USC as a 3 or 4 seed and we crushed them.

[GoMuskies]

Yes this, may not seem all that difficult by names of teams on jersey, or expectations for those teams when we played them, but look at those teams numbers now. I think I saw USC as a 3 or 4 seed and we crushed them.

You used USC and some version of "crush" in the same sentence, so this is mandatory. http://coedbc.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/amanda-marcum-lead.jpg?quality=88&w=600&h=350

[paulxu]

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