Games involving other Big East Conference Members 2015-2016

[XU Cowbell Kid]

Nova was Nova. Beat Fairleigh Dickinson 91-54.

Seton Hall beat Dartmouth 84-67.

St. John's bounced back from the D2 debacle and won 66-57 over Wagner.

Belmont beat Marquette 83-80.

Marquette's loss is slightly disappointing. I know Belmont is usually a pretty good team, but I would have liked to see Marquette win that game.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Thanks for starting this thread, I was about to do the same.

Yeah Marquette needs that game at home.

Any win St. Johns gets at this point is a plus given how much of a mess they could be this year.

[bobbiemcgee]

Same exact post at same exact time. Weird. I deleted mine. How about them 17th ranked badgers losing to W. Ill.?

[XMuskieFTW]

Same exact post at same exact time. Weird. I deleted mine. How about them 17th ranked badgers losing to W. Ill.?

Badgers are highly overrated this year. My friend is a big Wisconsin fan, so I watched most of their games last year. Only two returning starters and some fringe contributors returning along with a decent but not great class. They will struggle to make the tourney this year imo. I think they will but they may be sweating come march.

[XMuskieFTW]

Georgetown about to lose to Radford. Going to finish second in the big east though!

[XMuskieFTW]

Georgetown about to lose to Radford. Going to finish second in the big east though!

Or maybe Radford is about to pull off the choke job of the century.

[Masterofreality]

Or maybe Radford is about to pull off the choke job of the century.

Or, maybe GTown's coach just sucks...and he does. Why do you not just let Rivera go one on one at the end of the first OT? But no. You let Peak run the play. With GTown's talent, they have no business losing games like that to Radford. Embarrassing, at best.

[XMuskieFTW]

Georgetown falls to Radford in 2OT. Have at Maryland Wisconsin and duke/vcu in their next 3. Uh oh.

[xubrew]

I don't think too many people were expecting Radford to finish in the top half of the Big South. They tried to choke it away, but every time you thought they'd blown it they came back. Nice win for them. Not good for Georgetown, but Radford certainly earned that one.

Every opening weekend, the Big South pulls off some big wins. Then, they kind of tie off and go back to being 15th or 16th seedish.

[Xavgrad08]

Yikes Georgetown. John Thompson III is already in March form.

[xukeith]

Shaka Smart
and Texas lost opener at home.
Rut ro!

[Musketeer_15]

And down goes Georgetown in double OT to Radford... Anyone else think this is JT3 last season?

[paulxu]

Shaka Smart
and Texas lost opener at home.
Rut ro!

They moved the Texas campus to Shanghai?

[D-West & PO-Z]

Butler had 71 in the first half. Has 117 with 8mins 30sec to go.

Wow

[D-West & PO-Z]

Kris Dunn:

32 pts, 8 steals, 6 boards, 5 assists

[GIMMFD]

Butler had 71 in the first half. Has 117 with 8mins 30sec to go.

Wow

144 in the game, dear lord!!

[MADXSTER]

Damn, I guess I should have taken the over

[vee4xu]

When I saw that Butler scored 144 points, the first two things I thought were:

1. That has to be a mistake.
2. It can take them three games to score that many points.

[xu82]

144 in the game, dear lord!!

Sounds like an NBA All Star game!

[XUFan09]

Good God, Butler.

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[XMuskieFTW]

Things I decided today. Butler is really good. Kris Dunn is my preseason(or a week in) wooden award winner.

[Masterofreality]

Things I decided today. Butler is really good. Kris Dunn is my preseason(or a week in) wooden award winner.

Kris Dunn should be the NPOY. But Citadel is really bad...No props Butler.

[X Factor]

Kris Dunn should be the NPOY. But Citadel is really bad...No props Butler.

The Citadel is ranked 345 out of 351 according to KenPom. They are beyond bad.

[X-Fan]

Kris Dunn should be the NPOY. But Citadel is really bad...No props Butler.


The Citadel is ranked 345 out of 351 according to KenPom. They are beyond bad.

Also, they gave up 71.

[xu82]

Also, they gave up 71.

They were inspired by Baylor football.

[X-band '01]

Butler had 71 in the first half. Has 117 with 8mins 30sec to go.

Wow


144 in the game, dear lord!!


When I saw that Butler scored 144 points, the first two things I thought were:

1. That has to be a mistake.
2. It can take them three games to score that many points.

Dickey Simpkins must have told them there was a 24-second shot clock.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I dont really care who you play, you are really clicking on offense if you score 140 something points. Obviously it isnt fully representative of what they are as it seems Citadel is soo bad but I will give some props to Butler just for the sheer offensive numbers.

[usfldan]

The Citadel was in their first game transitioning from one of the slowest offenses in college last year to the fastest this year. VMI was the highest scoring offense in the country six times before their coach moved to Citadel this year.

http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20150330/PC20/150339949/1032/citadel-officially-names-duggar-baucom-as-basketball-coach

PS- I feel like XUBrew posting this.

[Masterofreality]

Well Seton Hall beat Wagner today.

I guess that means that Wagner wouldn't win the Big East.

[Muskied]

I remember when we beat Fairleigh Dickinson in 2012 by 42 and scored 117. I was so excited our team had found a offense!.....we didn't break 70 points the next 4 games, and lost to Pacific. Never cleared 80 points the rest of the year, and didn't go to the post season.

[Masterofreality]

I remember when we beat Fairleigh Dickinson in 2012 by 42 and scored 117. I was so excited our team had found a offense!.....we didn't break 70 points the next 4 games, and lost to Pacific. Never cleared 80 points the rest of the year, and didn't go to the post season.

THIS. Exactly what I thought when I saw Butler's score. One hot game vs a crap opponent does not a season make.

[XUFan09]

THIS. Exactly what I thought when I saw Butler's score. One hot game vs a crap opponent does not a season make.
It still wouldn't surprise me if Butler is better than Xavier this year. I think it's a toss up between the two teams.

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[Muskied]

THIS. Exactly what I thought when I saw Butler's score. One hot game vs a crap opponent does not a season make.

And it's not like they were even hot…they hit 8 3's. They out rebounded them by 35…18 offensive. They just out lay-up'ed an undersized and under skilled team. I'll wait until 4 games in to make any predictions on Butler.

[MADXSTER]

Marquette holding onto a 3 point lead over IUPUI. From what I've seen Marquette is a very selfish team. Does not pass or look to pass very well.

[XMuskieFTW]

Marquette looks pretty rough. Could really struggle to hit .500 this year.

[Masterofreality]

Wow, Marquette only won in Overtime.....over IUPUI. Arrrrrrrghhh!

Not an impressive start for the Wojo year. Another Coach K guy who's overmatched as a coach? Shocking!

[xu82]

Is it too soon the mention that a season is a lifetime? Even X will likely have that befuddling loss that makes us all wonder. (But please don't let it come tonight!)

[X-band '01]

Is it too soon the mention that a season is a lifetime? Even X will likely have that befuddling loss that makes us all wonder. (But please don't let it come tonight!)

We'll probably see one in Orlando - I don't see tonight as that loss.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Really hoping Georgetown can steal a W in Maryland. 12-11 with 12 left in 1st half right now.

[GIMMFD]

Really hoping Georgetown can steal a W in Maryland. 12-11 with 12 left in 1st half right now.

Still holding it close with Maryland, this could be interesting down the stretch.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Great game going in the last 2mins in Maryland.

[bobbiemcgee]

One hell of a game 66-66 2 mins

[D-West & PO-Z]

Maryland cannot miss in the last couple mins here.

[xu82]

"Good loss" for GT

[D-West & PO-Z]

That sucks. Georgetown could have taken that game. Too bad.

[XUMIOH12]

Georgetown could have 3 losses by the end of the week.

[Cheesehead]

Wow, Marquette only won in Overtime.....over IUPUI. Arrrrrrrghhh!

Not an impressive start for the Wojo year. Another Coach K guy who's overmatched as a coach? Shocking!

I think Wojo did a helluva job last year with what he had. They have good class this year and a good class next year. Let's give him 2 more seasons before you can make a statment like that. I am all for bashing Duke but that's not a fair assessment.

[Masterofreality]

I think Wojo did a helluva job last year with what he had. They have good class this year and a good class next year. Let's give him 2 more seasons before you can make a statment like that. I am all for bashing Duke but that's not a fair assessment.

Maybe, we'll see. Buzz didn't leave him much in the cupboard, and I guess Wojo is just following the Coach K line- suck your first 2-3 years as a coach as per record, then become a legend. :-)

[Cheesehead]

Maybe, we'll see. Buzz didn't leave him much in the cupboard, and I guess Wojo is just following the Coach K line- suck your first 2-3 years as a coach as per record, then become a legend. :-)

Hah hah! Wojo is saying and doing all the right things. He's got a young & energetic staff that is starting to make some headway in recruiting deparment. I don't know how he is with x's and o's but he was player who got the most out of his own talent. He cleaned house when he came in. Time will tell. I want them to have a good program, as I grew up a Marquette fan whose parents had season tickets for 20 plus years. I want them to be relevant as it also makes the Big East look better. BTW, I do root for Xavier when they play.

[X-band '01]

Hah hah! Wojo is saying and doing all the right things. He's got a young & energetic staff that is starting to make some headway in recruiting deparment. I don't know how he is with x's and o's but he was player who got the most out of his own talent. He cleaned house when he came in. Time will tell. I want them to have a good program, as I grew up a Marquette fan whose parents had season tickets for 20 plus years. I want them to be relevant as it also makes the Big East look better. BTW, I do root for Xavier when they play.

His coaching staff would easily be champions in pickup leagues with other college teams.

[bobbiemcgee]

Butler hammered rpi 308 Missouri State 93-59
Creighton at #14 Indiana, 7pm, B1G Network, Gavitt Games.
Rutgers at St John's, 7pm, FS1, Gavitt Games.
Seton Hall vs Long Beach State, 7pm, Charleston Classic.
Iowa at Marquette, 9pm, FS1, Gavitt Games.

[paulxu]

Cripes. Rutgers is manhandling St John's.

[X-band '01]

And I thought Creighton was making the Big East look bad. Scary to think that someone has to win when St. John's and Creighton face each other this season.

[X-band '01]

Cripes. Rutgers is manhandling St John's.

Correction - they were manhandling St. John's. They remembered they were Rutgers and have now completed their surrender of a 16-point lead. The Johnnies may yet get a scalp for the Big East tonight.

[BMoreX]

Aaaaand SJU misses two free throws

[BMoreX]

Good god SJU is bad

[X-band '01]

Rutgers is even worse - they wanted that one less than the Johnnies.

[X-Fan]

That No Call on the trip was pretty bad. Good result for the Big East though.

[XUFan09]

And I thought Creighton was making the Big East look bad. Scary to think that someone has to win when St. John's and Creighton face each other this season.
Creighton is trying to incorporate three new starters (two transfers and a freshman) and were facing a really good team on the road. I don't think they'll be a tournament team but they should be respectable.

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[XUFan09]

Now Marquette at home...that's just been embarrassing so far.

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[paulxu]

Kudos to the Johnnies for that comeback.

Wojo must have a king size headache about right now.

[xu82]

Marquuette 2/19 from behind the arc. That's a hard way to try to win.

[XMuskieFTW]

Marquette does not look good so far this season.

[XUFan09]

Marquette does not look good so far this season.

This is the only game I've seen with them and I didn't see the first few minutes before the game opened up and desperation began to set in. Still, these are my two main takeaways:

1) Their offense looked frequently stagnant, and a lot of the times, it seemed like the plan was to just give the ball to Ellenson, but then he was unable to do something with it.

2) That transition defense in the first half was abysmal. Easy layups and wide-open corner threes. Just embarrassing.

[casualfan]

What's crazy is that they could very easily be 0-3.

IUPUI probably should have won that game.

[bobbiemcgee]

Butler beat Temple 74-69 after early scare in PR Tip-off.
Wisconsin vs Georgetown, 5pm, ESPN2, 2k Classic.
DePaul vs South Carolina, 6pm, CBSSN, Paradise Jam.
East Tennessee State at #11 Villanova, 7pm, FS2.
Seton Hall vs Bradley, 7pm, ESPN-3, Charleston Classic.
Xavier at #24 Michigan, 9pm, Gavitt Games. BTN

[bobbiemcgee]

G'town over the Badgers @ MSG. Usual foul fest in 2nd half.

[X-band '01]

For their efforts, Georgetown may wind up playing VCU for the 2K Championship instead. Radford must be amused at that development.

[MauriceX]

Overall, a good day for the Big East. Wins over Michigan, Wisconsin, and Temple. The Nova win over ETSU was unsurprising. The only loss was DePaul to South Carolina (I didn't know they showed up as SCAR in box scores! That is kinda cool.)

[bobbiemcgee]

Gavitt Games = 4-4

[XUFan09]

Gavitt Games = 4-4

I'll take that. Our performance helps make up for Indiana and Iowa's beatdowns of Creighton and Marquette, respectively.

[xukeith]

It is all about wins in non conference. It is early but BE has th winning % of all conferences. Before conference starts, BE needs to be in top 5 to solidify a good number of rpi ranked teams.
It is meaningless but X is #1 in rpi right now.

[waggy]

The SOS projections, both for the conference and for X, are a little troubling.

Early view is that the conference has 4 or 5 tournament teams. Not sure about Georgetown.

[XUFan09]

The SOS projections, both for the conference and for X, are a little troubling.

Early view is that the conference has 4 or 5 tournament teams. Not sure about Georgetown.

It's too early to tell. RPI Forecast uses Jeff Sagarin's ratings, and I believe this is the first year he's actually posted them this early. Usually they don't go up until mid-December after sufficient data has accumulated. Meanwhile, Ken Pomeroy doesn't drop the preseason weight until early January usually, and it also carries disproportionate weight until around mid-December.

[waggy]

It's too early to tell.

Uh, it's the best predictor/projection algorithm there is. Not perfect and there will be movement to the better I know, but these numbers aren't close to being acceptable. Half the teams OOC SOS's are well over 200. These numbers only get better if their opponents win a bunch more than expected. It's not affected by inconference games.

[waggy]

Here's a capture so we can revisit this if we feel like it.


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[XUFan09]

Uh, it's the best predictor/projection algorithm there is. Not perfect and there will be movement to the better I know, but these numbers aren't close to being acceptable. Half the teams OOC SOS's are well over 200. These numbers only get better if their opponents win a bunch more than expected. It's not affected by inconference games.

Uh, I study statistics, and I'm telling you it's too early for it to be a useful predictor/algorithm, and Jeff Sagarin would agree with me. Why? For the obvious reason, because the sample size is too small. The most games any team has played so far is 4, a lot of teams have only played 2, and some teams have only played 1. That's just not enough data to attach good quantitative rankings to any team's performance and consequently to any team's SOS. That doesn't even take into account that the second and third game of exempt tournaments won't even be listed yet.

Give it until mid-December, and then it will start to become a useful projection. If a number of the Big East's OOC SOS ranks are projected to be 200+ at that point, then there is highly justified reason for complaint.

If you need any more evidence of how weird the early projections are, just consider Xavier's non-conference schedule. They have the usual buy games that they have every year, then they have:

Road - Michigan (top 50 team, minimum)
Neutral - Alabama (top 125, likely)
Home - Cincinnati (top 50 team, minimum, possibly top 25)
Home - Auburn (around 150; this is the bad mark on the schedule)
Road - Wake Forest (top 100, likely)

That's not a world-beater schedule, but that's a good schedule, better than some previous years that were easily top 100 schedules. For example, to have two teams of Michigan and Cincinnati's caliber is a rarity for Xavier, and they got one of them on the road too. A road game against a team of Wake's caliber is also good, because it's a road game (it would be mediocre at home). Yet, Xavier is currently forecasted to have the 171st OOC SOS. That just doesn't make sense.

[GoMuskies]

It's too early to tell. RPI Forecast uses Jeff Sagarin's ratings, and I believe this is the first year he's actually posted them this early.

Sagarin always posts his ratings from preseason on. They're not very useful until all teams are connected, but that will only take another week or so. They're getting pretty close by now.

[XUFan09]

Sagarin always posts his ratings from preseason on. They're not very useful until all teams are connected, but that will only take another week or so. They're getting pretty close by now.

Ah, then I just never found them until December! I use Kenpom more often anyway, in good part simply because it's more user-friendly.

It's not really close now, but it soon will be useful. As a lot of teams play a game or two between today and next Wednesday, the dataset should increase significantly, and then it will get a huge boost from the Thanksgiving weekend exempt tournaments (and weekend games from teams not in Thanksgiving tournaments). By Monday, November 30, the sample size should be much larger. Xavier, for example, will have played 7 games by that Monday instead of just the 3 they have now, and there won't be any more teams with just 1 or 2 games screwing things up. After that, the wide variance from small sample sizes will be pared down, and we will see just smaller trends to the true mean over the next couple weeks. By mid- or late-December, most of the variation should be explainable by teams getting better or worse relative to their peers rather than just randomness, and the model will be a solid fit.

[waggy]

Actually the teams are connected now. Not connected in terms of being able to exclusively use this seasons results yet. But projections are weighted with last seasons results.

[XUFan09]

Actually the teams are connected now. Not connected in terms of being able to exclusively use this seasons results yet. But projections are weighted with last seasons results.
Is there a specific point where Sagarin drops that weight? I know Kenpom plays it by ear, but it's generally around the beginning of the conference schedule and near the end, it doesn't have a significant impact anyway because of the number of games that have been played anyway.

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[waggy]

Is there a specific point where Sagarin drops that weight? I know Kenpom plays it by ear, but it's generally around the beginning of the conference schedule and near the end, it doesn't have a significant impact anyway because of the number of games that have been played anyway.

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I don't know, but it's well before conference play starts from what I remember.

[GoMuskies]

Speaking of Sagarin, his ratings have NKU #319 out of 351 teams. To me, that's a welcome breather between Friday's emotional win and the trip to Orlando (starting with #160 Alabama on Thursday).

[bobbiemcgee]

Duke vs G'Town. Man, the hoyas bulked up in the OOC!

Butler/Miami - should be a good one.

Ole Miss/SHU

'Nova vs Zips - trap game?

[X-band '01]

How about the Hoyas hitting a half-court shot to take a 5-pt lead at halftime? This would be huge if Georgetown can hang on.

[MADXSTER]

Butler playing Miami(Fl) right now on ESPN2

[X-Fan]

Butler playing Miami(Fl) right now on ESPN2

Currently down 17 with three minutes left in the first half. Getting worked over. Miami is too athletic and deep for them so far.

[GoMuskies]

Currently down 17 with three minutes left in the first half. Getting worked over. Miami is too athletic and deep for them so far.

Miami should be #1 tomorrow if they finish off Butler like they handled Miss State and Utah.

[MADXSTER]

Miami is playing like they're on their neighborhood playground hoops court.

[Masterofreality]

Butler playing Miami(Fl) right now on ESPN2

.......and getting boatraced. Yuck.

[X Factor]

Not so fast my friends; Butler down 8 now....

[Xville]

Butler only down 8 now...plenty of time left.

[bleedXblue]

this one is gonna get close

[XUFan09]

This is the Kellen Dunham that Xavier fans never see. Cold-blooded deep three to cut it to 4. Hopefully they can complete this comeback!

[Xville]

I feel like dunham is really freaking good.....except when he plays xavier.

[Masterofreality]

Great comeback by Butler. Would love to see them finish it off!

[Masterofreality]

This is the Kellen Dunham that Xavier fans never see. Cold-blooded deep three to cut it to 4. Hopefully they can complete this comeback!


I feel like dunham is really freaking good.....except when he plays xavier.

Gotta give credit to CMack and the staff for designing a defense that frustrates the hell out of Dunham.

[Xville]

Dang looks like butler may just not have quite enough to get it done tonight.

[Masterofreality]

Best defense on Butler is foul Roosevelt Jones. Turrrrrrrrible from the line.

[xudash]

Georgetown. Damn.

[STL_XUfan]

Georgetown and butler were both close but no dice today. Would have loved to get both those Ws for the conference

[xudash]

What's our aggregate W/L number now for the conference?

Better yet, where is a good place to look thta up?

[paulxu]

http://www.rpiforecast.com/live-conf-rpi.html

[xudash]

http://www.rpiforecast.com/live-conf-rpi.html

Thanks Paul.

We'll leave it that it is still early.

The damn thing is that Georgetown almost had Duke yesterday, losing by 2. That would have been a very nice win, obviously.

[MauriceX]

The damn thing is that Georgetown almost had Duke yesterday, losing by 2. That would have been a very nice win, obviously.

What I think is incredible is that Georgetown still received votes in the AP Poll. Not many (4), but still... how many 1-3 teams receive votes?

[X-Fan]

Nice win for Marquette beating ranked LSU tonight!

[Cheesehead]

I heard Wojo pulled a clittle coaching motivation trick before the LSU game. Made them do their walk thru outside on a court in Brooklyn and then when they arrived at their game for warmup's he took theri regular clothes from them and had them warm up in plain black short and white shirts (colors might be off) and told team they disn't deserve to wear anything w/ Marquette on it.

[GoMuskies]

Shockingly, SJU is getting pounded by IU early on in Maui.

But the important question: is Mullin wearing shorts again?

[X-band '01]

I am really starting to like this Messini kid at St. John's. Indiana is having trouble closing the Johnnies out in this one.

[Masterofreality]

Shockingly, SJU is getting pounded by IU early on in Maui.

But the important question: is Mullin wearing shorts again?

Actually Johnnies are coming back, and, yes, Mullin is wearing shorts...and I love it! You be you, Chris!

[Milhouse]

Actually Johnnies are coming back, and, yes, Mullin is wearing shorts...and I love it! You be you, Chris!

I actually think he can get them relevant again. I mean I thought they'd be 0-5 right now. To be 3-2 and two losses to tournament teams ain't awful.

He seems to be recruiting well and getting some nice production out of his players.

St. Johns is one of the teams that can REALLY raise the profile of this league.

[Masterofreality]

Marquette wins the Fan Duel Legends Championship over Arizona State.

Uh, about that Wojo.....? Who was talking about a former Coach K guy?? Who? :rolleyes:

[muskiefan82]

That is really huge for Marquette and the Big East. I offer my congratulations to them. Way to show up.

[Masterofreality]

You know, it is so easy to cheer for the other teams in this league- even Butler. Why? I think because every team here wants to be really good and commits to that institutionally. We all seem to have the same shared purpose with the same chip on the shoulder.

I never had that same feel in the A10. Too many scofflaws stealing money with too little commitment.

[X-Fan]

You know, it is so easy to cheer for the other teams in this league- even Butler. Why? I think because every team here wants to be really good and commits to that institutionally. We all seem to have the same shared purpose with the same chip on the shoulder.

I never had that same feel in the A10. Too many scofflaws stealing money with too little commitment.

THIS.

I just had this conversation today with a fellow Muskie fan. It's still a crazy feeling to both like the other Big East teams AND root for them to win in the Non-Conference. I was PUMPED to see Marquette beat LSU and ASU the last two days! I am very excited that St. Johns is looking respectable. Love it that Butler has some good wins, and battled back to make it a game with Miami. SO awesome to be in a league where everyone is striving for excellence (even Depaul in a way - ha!).

[xudash]

You know, it is so easy to cheer for the other teams in this league- even Butler. Why? I think because every team here wants to be really good and commits to that institutionally. We all seem to have the same shared purpose with the same chip on the shoulder.

I never had that same feel in the A10. Too many scofflaws stealing money with too little commitment.

Well put MOR.

[bobbiemcgee]

Creighton hammering Umass.

[fellahmuskie]

You know, it is so easy to cheer for the other teams in this league- even Butler. Why? I think because every team here wants to be really good and commits to that institutionally. We all seem to have the same shared purpose with the same chip on the shoulder.

I never had that same feel in the A10. Too many scofflaws stealing money with too little commitment.

I agree. It's awesome. But I'll never root for Butler. That's one step too far for me.

[Masterofreality]

Creighton hammering Umass.

Creighton with a boatrace on UMess. No contest. That Big East/A10 controversy really isn't one.

[xukeith]

Creighton with a boatrace on UMess. No contest. That Big East/A10 controversy really isn't one.

Maybe this year the A10 will have a better non con winning %. So far BE is # 7 in winning %.
All BE teams need to win more often and get this league in top 5.

[XUMIOH12]

I agree. It's awesome. But I'll never root for Butler. That's one step too far for me.

same here, I hope they lose several games in the non-conference

[bleedXblue]

same here, I hope they lose several games in the non-conference

Somebody has to finish at the bottom of the conference....it may as well be Butler.

[bleedXblue]

Maybe this year the A10 will have a better non con winning %. So far BE is # 7 in winning %.
All BE teams need to win more often and get this league in top 5.

You gotta look at SOS............who are the leagues playing and how tough is the competition? I have not one doubt over time the BE will far exceed the A-10 in RPI ranking.

[X-band '01]

Providence is struggling early on in the Wooden Classic against Evansville - this is the same team that gave Xavier fits 2 years ago at Cintas.

[XUFan09]

Providence is struggling early on in the Wooden Classic against Evansville - this is the same team that gave Xavier fits 2 years ago at Cintas.
Looks like Providence is taking care of business now.

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[X-band '01]

And Dayton has suddenly lost control in a game where they were cruising against Iowa. I thought UMass were the premature, um, you know.

[XUFan09]

And Dayton has suddenly lost control in a game where they were cruising against Iowa. I thought UMass were the premature, um, you know.
Wrong thread but this could affect a certain Big East team in three days...

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[xudash]

And Dayton has suddenly lost control in a game where they were cruising against Iowa. I thought UMass were the premature, um, you know.

Terrible reach in call at the end against Iowa that probably would have led to an Iowa fast break basket and the lead again.

[paulxu]

Since Monday the BE is 11-2...and our conference RPI is dropping like a rock.

[Xville]

Since Monday the BE is 11-2...and our conference RPI is dropping like a rock.

Honestly I get that conference rpi kinda matters in terms of getting fringe teams from the conference in and maybe bumping teams up a seed line or so. However in the grand scheme of things who really cares? The big east was #1 in rpi last year right? And overall the year was a complete bust, because like it or not, the only thing that matters in college basketball is march and this conference failed miserably in it last year. I don't really care if the 6th team from the big east gets in this year..one cause that won't be xavier...they will be a top 3 at the least, and 2 if that sixth team loses right away it doesn't matter that they got in.

I get that it's a talking point but in order for this conference to improve its recognition nova, georgetown etc have to do better in the tourney period.

[XUFan09]

The thing is, the more teams you get in, the higher your chances of tournament wins. Even those fringe teams win games sometimes. Hasn't at least one play in winner won their next game every single year?

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[Xville]

The thing is, the more teams you get in, the higher your chances of tournament wins. Even those fringe teams win games sometimes. Hasn't at least one play in winner won their next game every single year?

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They might have. I'm just not going to sweat if we end up being in the 5-7 range in conference rpi. I just don't think it matters enough to worry about....nova and georgetown are the teams that need to have some success in march in order for this league to thrive. Xavier can't do it all by itself like it basically was doing in the a10

[paulxu]

You get a little more money for your conference for every team you get in.
So, yes, having a good conference RPI does help.

[xudash]

Honestly I get that conference rpi kinda matters in terms of getting fringe teams from the conference in and maybe bumping teams up a seed line or so. However in the grand scheme of things who really cares? The big east was #1 in rpi last year right? And overall the year was a complete bust, because like it or not, the only thing that matters in college basketball is march and this conference failed miserably in it last year. I don't really care if the 6th team from the big east gets in this year..one cause that won't be xavier...they will be a top 3 at the least, and 2 if that sixth team loses right away it doesn't matter that they got in.

I get that it's a talking point but in order for this conference to improve its recognition nova, georgetown etc have to do better in the tourney period.

I believe it all matters.

Conference RPI lends itself to the perception of the strength of the conference. The Big East must perform very well in that regard. That involves a major perception issue that plays out during the entire season. Look at it this way: the major conferences perform well during the season and they also manage to achieve successful runs in the NCAA tournament with their main programs.

I agree with you that it is important for Georgetown and Villanova to perform well for brand purposes. I believe we will continue to build our brand and be there with them, especially after we make a final four, etc.

It all matters. Conference strength to maximize the number of teams getting into the conference, as well as their seeding. And on that point, remember that each team that makes it picks up 1 NCAA unit at a minimum. Otherwise, performance once we get into the tournament must be better.

I certainly agree with that. It's just that I want all of it: a strong conference at RPI for respect and a larger number of bids, and the tournament runs from there.

[gladdenguy]

I agree. It's awesome. But I'll never root for Butler. That's one step too far for me.

I will next Wednesday. They are at sUCks. I want Butler to win by 20.

[muskiefan82]

I will next Wednesday. They are at sUCks. I want Butler to win by 20.

That is a tough one for me. Butler or UC? Wow. I don't know. I suppose I would want UC to finish their season at 30-1 with a loss to us to help with the OOC SOS, but there is the Big East thing too. I suppose 29-2 would be okay as well. If UC went 8-23, I would be okay with that too.

[bobbiemcgee]

'Nova vs GTech
Providence vs AZ

[fellahmuskie]

I will next Wednesday. They are at sUCks. I want Butler to win by 20.

Good point. Go Butler!

[XUFan09]

Villanova has a lead on Georgia Tech, and I had forgotten that Brian Gregory was the coach there lol.

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[sirthought]

Yeah I have to support that conference RPI really matters a great deal.

- Perception is key in getting better match ups in the future, better players in the future, better lineup of sponsorship. Who wouldn't want to say they are playing for/against a team from the top RPI ranked conference?

- Perception is key when the tournament committee is weighing out seeding. "These two schools have similar records but who played in the tougher conference?"

- And the more Big East schools that get in the tournament, the more money that comes to the conference to share the riches.

That said, I'm not going to freakout if the RPI drops or doesn't stay as high as last season. Xavier controls their own destiny ultimately. You try to win every game and hope it all turns out for the best.

[Xtemporaneous]

Villanova has a lead on Georgia Tech, and I had forgotten that Brian Gregory was the coach there lol.

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Probably not for much longer LOLZ!

[Emp]

I will next Wednesday. They are at sUCks. I want Butler to win by 20.

For purely selfish reasons I want UC unbeaten and highly ranked when they show up at Cintas. But since we play Butler (at least) twice, the RPi would. SEEM to be better if Butler wins. ['09 is going to school me in 5..4...3..2...]

[XUFan09]

For purely selfish reasons I want UC unbeaten and highly ranked when they show up at Cintas. But since we play Butler (at least) twice, the RPi would. SEEM to be better if Butler wins. ['09 is going to school me in 5..4...3..2...]
No, you are correct lol.

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[QueensbridgeMF]

Providence resilience. Dunn is dope

[xukeith]

Providence resilience. Dunn is dope

That drive and shot he made was amazing. He is one of the best guards I have ever seen. So resilient and smooth. Awesome skills.

[Masterofreality]

Fantastic win by Providence last night. This league is so fun to cheer for...and. I really like Ed Cooley and his program. Friars are now 6-0.

[bobbiemcgee]

BE 4-0 today.

[waggy]

Didn't really play anyone. I guess Western Wisconsin was undefeated.

[xubrew]

Western Illinois and Georgia aren't great, but they're not bad either. WIU did win at Wisconsin.

[xukeith]

Western Illinois and Georgia aren't great, but they're not bad either. WIU did win at Wisconsin.
Had a good day. BE is moving early in top 4 of Leagues' winning %!

[paulxu]

What an opportunity for Providence tonight v. Michigan State.

Would be the cherry on today's Sunday.

[bleedXblue]

What an opportunity for Providence tonight v. Michigan State.

Would be the cherry on today's Sunday.

From what I've seen, Dunn is going to have to drop 40 for the Friars to have a chance. They don't have the bodies to match up with MSU

[paulxu]

Providence doing OK so far. If they didn't have 8 TO's (Dunn has 4) they would probably be up more.

[D-West & PO-Z]

MSU went on 11-0 run t go up 64-57 but Dunn with a big 3 to get it to 64-60.

[X-band '01]

That 3 that was waved off for Providence was huge. It was the right call, but giving up a 3 on the other end afterwards is probably going to be the difference.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Nice showing by Providence. Not enough though.

[bobbiemcgee]

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/conferences/teams/_/id/4/big-east-conference

Note BE Standings

[GoMuskies]

Old habits die hard. It will be tough for me not to cheer for the Hawks in the Big Five showdown tonight in Philly.

[gladdenguy]

GO BUTLER BULLDOGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



+5 tonight in the shack they call a basketball arena in Clifton tonight

[bleedXblue]

Butler can score the ball and UC I guess can defend. I like Butler +5.

[bobbiemcgee]

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/conferences/teams/_/id/4/big-east-conference

Can St John's beat Fordham?

[MauriceX]

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/conferences/teams/_/id/4/big-east-conference

Can St John's beat Fordham?

I didn't realize Seton Hall was @ GW tonight until I clicked this link! I may have gone if I had known.

It's actually kinda crazy, I play in a volleyball league in GW's gym. They told us that we had a "scheduling conflict" so we couldn't play. I never even thought about the fact that it was a D1 basketball game kicking us out.

[paulxu]

It's hard to imagine Fordham is favored over St Johns.

[GoMuskies]

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/conferences/teams/_/id/4/big-east-conference

Can St John's beat Fordham?

Not even close

[BMoreX]

haha st johns

[X-Fan]

Close game down the stretch at 5/3. UC up 1 with 4:01 to go. Just found Butler shooting a 3, and now BU is up 1.

[xu82]

I've only seen a few minutes, but I think I saw a stat quickly that said UC had 10 blocks with zip for Butler.

[X-Fan]

I've only seen a few minutes, but I think I saw a stat quickly that said UC had 10 blocks with zip for Butler.

UC also has 15 TOs to Butlers 6.

Neither team really wants this game. UC up 2 with 2 min to go.

[xu82]

.... and of course the Brawl gets mentioned during the UC/Butler game.

[BMoreX]

Butler up 3, 17 seconds, UC ball.

[Xville]

Cronin sucks a big bag of dicks.....f uc

[xu82]

Great finish, even if not great play.

[X-Fan]

UC also has 15 TOs to Butlers 6.

Neither team really wants this game. UC up 2 with 2 min to go.

I take that back, both teams hit decently clutch shots. Jones makes 2 FT, UC gets blocked, and Dunam makes 2 FT to put BU up 3 with 17 sec to go.

[BMoreX]

Awfulk foul by Wideman.

[X-Fan]

I take that back, both teams hit decently clutch shots. Jones makes 2 FT, UC gets blocked, and Dunam makes 2 FT to put BU up 3 with 17 sec to go.

Lol, UC throws up a BRICK, and some dummy (Wideman) from BU fouls Ellis for an And1.

[bjf123]

haha st johns

Is St. John's that bad, or has Fordham gotten better? And Seton Hall loses to GW.


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[Xville]

Haha hahaha suck it uc

[GoMuskies]

Is St. John's that bad, or has Fordham gotten better?


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Both

[X-Fan]

Lol, UC throws up a BRICK, and some dummy (Wideman) from BU fouls Ellis for an And1.

LOLOLOLOLOL!

UC makes FT, Butler throws full court pass to Jones who hits a layup at the buzzer!

LOVED that!

[BMoreX]

Incredible finish.

[xu82]

That was a real kick in the gut, and elsewhere....

Go Big East

[D-West & PO-Z]

Dickie V just mentioned X in the Duke/IU game talking about Trevon and how good we are.

[coasterville95]

St. John's, really? To Fordham? By 16???

I know the game was at Rose Hill Gym and not MSG, but still?

1821

[paulxu]

Come on Creighton.

[bleedXblue]

St. John's, really? To Fordham? By 16???

I know the game was at Rose Hill Gym and not MSG, but still?

1821

SJU and their good start is a mirage.

Mullen is going to struggle IMHO.

Bad hire........? We will see

[KC4X]

Dickie V just mentioned X in the Duke/IU game talking about Trevon and how good we are.

He just mentioned again how good X is and that the can play with any team in the country, deep and talented. He mentioned Trevon, Edmond, and Jalen specifically.

[paulxu]

Well crap Creighton. They gave you a gift and you couldn't open it.

[xudash]

SJU and their good start is a mirage.

Mullen is going to struggle IMHO.

Bad hire........? We will see

I hope you're wrong. We need for St. John's to get its act together, and the storyline would that be much better if they did it with the prodigal son at the helm.

[D-West & PO-Z]

No matter what happens this year too early to tell on Mullin. Roster was left pretty bare right?

[waggy]

Basically, like anyone, he's going to be as successful as he recruits. My guess is they will wish they had kept Lavin.

[XMuskieFTW]

St. John's returned 3 players. They combined for something like 4 ppg last year. I have no expectations for them and to be honest I could see an 0-18 from them in conference.

[Masterofreality]

St. John's should never lose to F-m EVER!

No one else should either!

[bobbiemcgee]

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/conferences/schedule/_/id/4/big-east-conference

[paulxu]

Bobbie,
Looking at that schedule, and then looking at this

http://www.goxavier.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball

does that mean our "preview" is on FoxSports1, and there is not TV broadcast for this game? Yuck.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Bobbie,
Looking at that schedule, and then looking at this

http://www.goxavier.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball

does that mean our "preview" is on FoxSports1, and there is not TV broadcast for this game? Yuck.

No the preview is the link you click on. The game is on FS1

[paulxu]

Typical of ESPN not to show it on their schedule.

[bobbiemcgee]

G'town best 3-3 team in the nation. Chance to move up with V over 'Cuse. I had URI in this game against Providence until they lost EC Mathews. Quite a blow.


'Nova plays OK in Pearl Harbor on 12/7:

http://www.bigeast.com/news/2015/12/4/MBB_1204150041.aspx

[D-West & PO-Z]

For some reason in Columbus this game is on the CW in SD and local news thing called happy holidays america is on Fox. WTF?

Anyways lets go GT, looking good so far up 10.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Hoyas up 12 at the half.

[xudash]

Hoyas up 12 at the half.

Way to reestablish momentum going into the half.

[X-Fan]

Gtown up 10 with 3:12 to go. Feels like they are holding on to this lead by a thread. Have been impressed with GTowns big men so far. They look much improved/athletic/skilled over last year.

Side note: with many of the former Big East teams playing current BE teams, it would be cool if a ACC/Big East Challenge started up. Matchup classic rivals, see some cool new matchups. Would be awesome to see X play at NC or vice versa.

[BMoreX]

Nice win by the hoyas

[GoMuskies]

Looks like MOR's Loyola Ramblers will wreck Creighton's day.

[waggy]

Looks like MOR's Loyola Ramblers will wreck Creighton's day.

Watson Jr. 3-12 from field.

But Zierden 0-13!

[xudash]

Hoyas post a fantastic win.

SHU and Marquette hold serve.

[paulxu]

Thank you Providence.

[Masterofreality]

Looks like MOR's Loyola Ramblers will wreck Creighton's day.

Well, my Loyola Grad Daughter and her hubby are very happy. I sure fed enough money to Sheridan Avenue, but I am pleased for Loyola. Porter Moser is really trying hard to resurrect that program and they've moved up to the Missouri Valley Conference now and have a commitment.

Other than that, though, a really good day for the league. Providence toughed one out and glad to see GTown take down Boheeeem.

[muskiefan82]

Well, my Loyola Grad Daughter and her hubby are very happy. I sure fed enough money to Sheridan Avenue, but I am pleased for Loyola. Porter Moser is really trying hard to resurrect that program and they've moved up to the Missouri Valley Conference now and have a commitment.

Other than that, though, a really good day for the league. Providence toughed one out and glad to see GTown take down Boheeeem.
Actually, boeheim wasnt there. Serving his 9 game suspension

[Masterofreality]

Actually, boeheim wasnt there. Serving his 9 game suspension

Yeah, I didn't see the game. Spent the day in Atlanta with my 93 year old Mom & sisters. Boheem's program then.

Got back in time to see the end of the Providence game and, of course, the XU game. Great day for the league.

BTW, X. Back at RPI #1 again.

[bobbiemcgee]

This week's schedule:

http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/schedule?group=14

Fox Sports doing a nice job promoting the Shootout.

[Xville]

Two Huge games for Nova and Xavier this week...would love to have an undefeated matchup of top ten teams on Dec. 31st.

[Emp]

I haven't had a chance to sit down and watch an entire Nova game yet. Marquee game tonight vs OK, a nice scalp in the belt if they can win. Line has move to Nova -4.

[sgarcia]

Two Huge games for Nova and Xavier this week...would love to have an undefeated matchup of top ten teams on Dec. 31st.

Lets worry about tomorrow first. There are lots of games before December 31.

[Xville]

Second time watching nova this year and it looks like the same team that flamed out in the tourney the last two years. When they are hitting outside shots, they are tough to beat, but when they arent, they seem to have more trouble than other teams. I don't know if it's just that they aren't very physical inside or what.

[bleedXblue]

I see vulnerability with Nova.......

[xu82]

I see vulnerability with Nova.......

When they miss 15 of 17 three pointers, I like our odds. I didn't realize they were the lower ranked team tonight.

[XUFan09]

Twice now we've seen Oklahoma get their first shot blocked, leading to the shot clock almost running out, only for them to nail a quick three. Those are backbreakers.

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[Xville]

This is why nova has flamed out in the tournament the past few years and why I don't like their system...they basically live and die by the three which in my opinion is a mid major kind of system.

[xubrew]

It's worth pointing out that Oklahoma is really good.

[XUFan09]

It's worth pointing out that Oklahoma is really good.
Yeah, just a bit.

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[Xville]

It's worth pointing out that Oklahoma is really good.

True. So is every team in the tourney though. Nova is good....they can get really hot, but they can also go really cold like tonight. I just feel like they are completely lost if the outside shots isn't falling. They refuse to pound it inside when that happens.

[xubrew]

True. So is every team in the tourney though. Nova is good....they can get really hot, but they can also go really cold like tonight. I just feel like they are completely lost if the outside shots isn't falling. They refuse to pound it inside when that happens.

True, but some are better than others. I think this might be the year Kansas doesn't finish first in the Big Twelve. Oklahoma is Final Four caliber good.

That's not to say that Nova has played their best game. It's just pointing out that Oklahoma is really freakin' good.

[xu82]

I don't love living by the 3, but it's not a loss to Northern Iowa.

[Xville]

I don't love living by the 3, but it's not a loss to Northern Iowa.

True...and they will be in the top three in our league and have a great regular season. I'm just not going to fall for them again like I did last year picking them to go the elite eight or final four.

[GoMuskies]

All this means is that when Xavier beats UC in 5 days...flagship! So if you had slightly over 2 years in the pool, congratulations.

[XMuskieFTW]

Nova still trying to be a 3 point shooting team this year when they aren't that team anymore. Came into the game shooting 30.9% from 3. After tonight that is down to 28.5%.

[MADXSTER]

Nova had a lot of one and done shots. Didn't rebound very well at all.

[drudy23]

Nova still trying to be a 3 point shooting team this year when they aren't that team anymore. Came into the game shooting 30.9% from 3. After tonight that is down to 28.5%.

+1...not what they were last year.

[bobbiemcgee]

Have to say Fox did an excellent job with this salute to the Pearl Harbor area and the veterans the last few days. Loved the game breaks with the battle participants right there. Great job guys!!

[Emp]

All this means is that when Xavier beats UC in 5 days...flagship! So if you had slightly over 2 years in the pool, congratulations.

Drinking the Koolaid there!

[GoMuskies]

Drinking the Koolaid there!

With a win on Saturday, we will objectively be the top team in the Big East. For at least a week. You can be miserable , but I plan to enjoy it.

[XU '11]

To add on to what everybody else is saying...

Villanova ranks 3rd nationally in 3PA/FGA. They rank 307th in 3P%. Usually not a winning combination.

[paulxu]

In the consensus rankings from Sunday, X comes in at 8th. Pomeroy has us as 11th.
What is interesting is that Nova comes in at #1. Pomeroy was an outlier with Oklahoma as #1.
He must have known what was coming.

http://www.masseyratings.com/cb/compare.htm

[blueblob06]

Nova had a lot of one and done shots. Didn't rebound very well at all.

What's that? They don't rebound well...? (picture Mr Burns..."Excellent")

[XMuskieFTW]

They have a -0.1 rebounding differential per game on the year. Not good at all considering the level of competition hasn't been the highest.

[Masterofreality]

This is why nova has flamed out in the tournament the past few years and why I don't like their system...they basically live and die by the three which in my opinion is a mid major kind of system.

This is true. I also thought that Jay Wright did a horrible job of coaching last night. Oklahoma had no "rim protector" and yet Villanova wouldn't stop jacking 3's up there. The few times they did throw the ball inside, they scored, but waaaaaaaaay to much long range launching.

Oklahoma is good, but Villanova is very beatable when they aren't throwing rockets in there.

[XUFan09]

This is true. I also thought that Jay Wright did a horrible job of coaching last night. Oklahoma had no "rim protector" and yet Villanova wouldn't stop jacking 3's up there. The few times they did throw the ball inside, they scored, but waaaaaaaaay to much long range launching.

Oklahoma is good, but Villanova is very beatable when they aren't throwing rockets in there.
They did a lot of drive-and-kick to set up threes. More of those drives should have just been taken to the rim. They would have drawn fouls and just scored more. This team has been awful drawing fouls, and it's weird because all the returning players had respectable free throw rates last season.

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[MADXSTER]

Josh Hart is the real deal. Hell of a basketball player

[bobbiemcgee]

http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/schedule?group=14

[D-West & PO-Z]

Do Nebraska and Creighton play every year?

Makes sense why they didnt meet this year in the Gavitt Games.

[xubrew]

Do Nebraska and Creighton play every year?

Makes sense why they didnt meet this year in the Gavitt Games.

Yes.

[D-West & PO-Z]

St. Johns wins a thriller over Niagra 48 to 44!

[xu82]

St. Johns wins a thriller over Niagra 48 to 44!

How's the second half going?

Ugh...

[Emp]

Yikes, Dunn sick and now Ben Benntel out with ankle. Not. Good for Cooleys heart.

[XMuskieFTW]

Yikes, Dunn sick and now Ben Benntel out with ankle. Not. Good for Cooleys heart.

Fazekas was left on campus due to illness too. Nice work by them to do the job without those three.

[Masterofreality]

Creighton is putting the hammer down on Nebraska.

Yeah, nice job by Providence to overcome adversity.

[Masterofreality]

And DePuke hangs on to beat Drake 74-71. Whew!

[paulxu]

Conference RPI back to #2.

[waggy]

Conference RPI back to #2.


Says who?

[scoscox]

Not Big East, but Dayton coming out with a huge dub over Vandy tonight. Encouraging especially after the way Michigan has been getting absolutely dismantled recently.