Games involving other Big East Conference Members 2015-2016

[GoMuskies]

I want the #1 seed in Louisville or Chicago, so go Wildcats.

I. Want. It. All.

[XUFan09]

I'd rather Georgetown beat Villanova on Nova's Senior Night. Since they have talent and they already beat Xavier on the road, the loss wouldn't look as bad, and Xavier could be Co-BE champion. As for 1 vs. 2 seed, I just want whichever side gives better matchups.

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[GoMuskies]

I think losing at home to Georgetown would look much, much worse than losing at Marquette.

At least you can say about shitty Georgetown that they never give up.

[GoMuskies]

And now Butler is finished. No way they win in OT. NIT

[BMoreX]

dsr fouled out. Butler has a chance

[GoMuskies]

Glad Georgetown can't do math and I was wrong. Would have been a devastating loss for Butler.

[X-band '01]

Props to Butler's bravest for putting out that 3-alarm fire. That would have been a disaster.

[XMuskieFTW]

That Dunham kid needs to work on his free throws.

[Xville]

When it comes tournament time, I don't know if I trust a big East team other than Xavier to get past the first weekend again. I think Seton hall can if they get in the right draw...I'm not going to be fooled by nova again or maybe I will and they will make a run for once.

[X-Fan]

When it comes tournament time, I don't know if I trust a big East team other than Xavier to get past the first weekend again. I think Seton hall can if they get in the right draw...I'm not going to be fooled by nova again or maybe I will and they will make a run for once.

I had a similar thought after X beat Nova, but then remembered that all of Novas big men got in foul trouble. That really is the key with them. Ochefu is key for them and IMO very underrated. I want to say "never again" and pick against Nova, but they are just too talented to flame out a 3rd year in a row, right???

If Prov makes it I think they'll either go really far or lose first game. That's just how they are. Talent is there if they get the right matchup.

Butler could do well, but needs the right matchup. Their D will likely be their undoing.

No idea about SH. They have talent, but are so young.

Marquette is one guard away from being pretty good. Too bad they won't get a second year out of Ellenson.

[scoscox]

I think losing at home to Georgetown would look much, much worse than losing at Marquette.

At least you can say about shitty Georgetown that they never give up.

Hardly, Georgetown hasn't given an f all year.

[X-band '01]

No idea about SH. They have talent, but are so young.

They're young, but there is cohesion in their unit that wasn't there last season. They can be undisciplined at times, but they've progressed quite a bit as the season has progressed. Villanova should be thankful both their games against the Hall came early.

[GoMuskies]

Hardly, Georgetown hasn't given an f all year.

That was a helluva comeback today. Ditto for their win over Creighton. Just wish they'd show that kind of effort all the time.

[XUFan09]

They're young, but there is cohesion in their unit that wasn't there last season. They can be undisciplined at times, but they've progressed quite a bit as the season has progressed. Villanova should be thankful both their games against the Hall came early.
It appears Sterling Gibbs' transfer was addition by subtraction.

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[GoMuskies]

Some big games around the league this week if we want to see 5 Big East teams dancing. Providence would be well-advised to handle Creighton at home, and Butler really needs two hone wins over Seton Hall and Marquette. Should be a fun week.

Plus, March Madness really starts this week with some of the conference tournaments!

[X-band '01]

Marquette beats Georgetown at home tonight, but it's a very costly win after Henry Ellenson left the game with what looked like a knee injury (shades of Matt Stainbrook 2 years ago). Not sure of Ellenson's status yet.

[GoMuskies]

Marquette beats Georgetown at home tonight, but it's a very costly win after Henry Ellenson left the game with what looked like a knee injury (shades of Matt Stainbrook 2 years ago). Not sure of Ellenson's status yet.

Sorry to hear about Ellenson, but it looks like our QF match up just got quite a bit easier.

[Cheesehead]

Marquette beats Georgetown at home tonight, but it's a very costly win after Henry Ellenson left the game with what looked like a knee injury (shades of Matt Stainbrook 2 years ago). Not sure of Ellenson's status yet.

It's actually a left ankle injury and no update from Marquette yet.

[bobbiemcgee]

http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/schedule?group=14

[bobbiemcgee]

SHU has scored 7 pts. in first 10 minutes, of course.

[bobbiemcgee]

Pirates shooting 28% 11% from 3 - 45-27 BU 17m left

[X-band '01]

13-0 run by Seton Hall now.

[gladdenguy]

Butler back up 7. I'm rooting for Butler. Don't really know why. I guess I want them in over the borekittens and another Big East tournament team.

[GoMuskies]

Three bid league? Butler and Provi better step it up.

[X-band '01]

Brew will tell us it's okay because these are the games that Greg McDermott manages to Cluess away.

[mohr5150]

What a great game. Just two teams duking it out at a high level. This league is great.

[gladdenguy]

Butler gonna get out with a win as long as they don't Georgetown it like Saturday. And Dunham misses a free throw and another one and Whitehead hits a 3. Unbelievable.

[KC4X]

I'm SHOCKED there was a clock issue at Butler. Shocked, I say!

[mohr5150]

Whitehead is damn good. If he can keep his head out of his ass, he could be very special.

[drudy23]

That clinches the 2 seed I guess.

[GoMuskies]

Congrats to Butler. And Whitehead is not capable of keeping his head out of his anus.

[GoMuskies]

That clinches the 2 seed I guess.

That was clinched last Wednesday.

[XUOWNSUC]

That clinches the 2 seed I guess.

It was already clinched due to the victory over Villanova. Seton Hall was 0-2 versus 'Nova and Xavier was 1-1.

[gladdenguy]

Come on Providence. Up 2 with 2:48 and Bentil to the line. Watson Jr. still playing but he looks hurt.

[Masterofreality]

Pretty HUGE win by Butler. Went from 60 to 46 in RPI in a matter of seconds

[paulxu]

Somebody who knows this crap tell me how many bids is the BE likely to get.

[waggy]

5

[paulxu]

OK then.

[Masterofreality]

Somebody who knows this crap tell me how many bids is the BE likely to get.

One half of the whole league.

[waggy]

OK then.


Unless a team from the bottom gets crazy hot and wins the tournament. But 5 is "likely".

[GoMuskies]

I think Butler and Provi both need to win Saturday still. The good news is they both should win.

[Masterofreality]

I think Butler and Provi both need to win Saturday still. The good news is they both should win.

No doubt. Tonight and Saturday are all "play-in" games for both. Butler plays Marquette at home and Providence plays St. John's away. Neither can afford to lose THOSE games. After that, the tournament is gravy.

It was important for both to get into the RPI 40's- ahead of flotsam and jetsam like SucKS...who may still crap the bed in it's last two.

[X-band '01]

Marquette wouldn't be nearly as damaging, but it would still behoove Butler to finish above .500 in the Big East. No explanation needed for why Providence must win at the Johnnies.

[bobbiemcgee]

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/14888142/marquette-golden-eagles-f-henry-ellenson-day-day-sprained-left-ankle

[XUMIOH12]

i think its pretty safe to say there will be 5 BE teams in the tournament. I would be surprised if there were less, a longshot to get a 6th in.

[xukeith]

i think its pretty safe to say there will be 5 BE teams in the tournament. I would be surprised if there were less, a longshot to get a 6th in.

Unless Butler loses Saturday, they are in.
5 teams from BE.

X looks like a solid 2 seed unless loses in Semis or to Creighton

[GoMuskies]

But guys, seriously, if we had St. Bonny in our league to beat up we'd probably be getting 8 bids!

[Xville]

So being that it looks like we are geting 5 in, we need three of those to make it to the Sweet 16 at the very least. Two to make it to the Elite Eight and then the one, being Xavier, making it to the Final Four and cutting down the nets. That would make for a very successful March for the league.

[GoMuskies]

I'd be happy with 4 winning in the first round and Xavier and Villanova making the Sweet Sixteen. I don't think any of the other three are Sweet Sixteen teams, although I'd be thrilled if one of them pulls off an upset to get in.

Oh, and Xavier and Nova really do both need to make the Elite 8.

[kyxu]

I'd be happy with 4 winning in the first round and Xavier and Villanova making the Sweet Sixteen. I don't think any of the other three are Sweet Sixteen teams, although I'd be thrilled if one of them pulls off an upset to get in.

Oh, and Xavier and Nova really do both need to make the Elite 8.

Big East needs to put a team in the Final Four. Now. Whether it's Xavier or Nova, it needs to happen. Too much talent in this conference for just one freaking team to make it out of the first weekend.

[X-band '01]

i think its pretty safe to say there will be 5 BE teams in the tournament. I would be surprised if there were less, a longshot to get a 6th in.

But Marquette is such a fun team to watch because of their coaches with Dook ties, right?

[XU 87]

For those of you who watched the Butler/Seton hall game last night, what did you think of Seton Hall's/Whitehead's defense at the end? Seton Hall fights back to get within 2 and then commits two perimeter fouls (one with the shot clock under 10 and another by Whitehead) and then Whitehead's man goes in for a layup without anyone really picking him up on a ball screen at the free throw line. Whitehead saw the screen and looked he just decided not try to guard the Butler guy anymore.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I'd be happy with 4 winning in the first round and Xavier and Villanova making the Sweet Sixteen. I don't think any of the other three are Sweet Sixteen teams, although I'd be thrilled if one of them pulls off an upset to get in.

Oh, and Xavier and Nova really do both need to make the Elite 8.

Yes my thoughts as well.

[bobbiemcgee]

Butler and Prov with HUGE gains in DanceCard:

http://www.unf.edu/~jcoleman/dance.htm

[Masterofreality]

For those of you who watched the Butler/Seton hall game last night, what did you think of Seton Hall's/Whitehead's defense at the end? Seton Hall fights back to get within 2 and then commits two perimeter fouls (one with the shot clock under 10 and another by Whitehead) and then Whitehead's man goes in for a layup without anyone really picking him up on a ball screen at the free throw line. Whitehead saw the screen and looked he just decided not try to guard the Butler guy anymore.

Lousy defense, plus he took a very selfish 3 that hit no rim...but that being said, without him making shots near the end, SH is not even close in the last minute. Take the good with the bad from a talented Soph, but he's much better than last year. BTW, Carrington is really tough, and Butler will abjectly suck next year.

[muskiefan82]

Lousy defense, plus he took a very selfish 3 that hit no rim...but that being said, without him making shots near the end, SH is not even close in the last minute. Take the good with the bad from a talented Soph, but he's much better than last year. BTW, Carrington is really tough, and Butler will abjectly suck next year.

So sayeth everyone each year and yet they stay somewhat relevant even in down years.

[Masterofreality]

So sayeth everyone each year and yet they stay somewhat relevant even in down years.

Well, Mouthbreather Dunham and Rosey Jones, their back bone, are gone. Austin Etherington will NOT carry that team.

[XUFan09]

Well, Mouthbreather Dunham and Rosey Jones, their back bone, are gone. Austin Etherington will NOT carry that team.
Kelan Martin is actually their best returning player, and Tyler Wideman and Andrew Chrabascz will both be pretty good. The problem is, that is not an elite top 3 and the supporting cast will probably be dominated by the entering freshman class. That class is good, but the team will still probably be a year away.

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[Masterofreality]

Kelan Martin is actually their best returning player, and Tyler Wideman and Andrew Chrabascz will both be pretty good. The problem is, that is not an elite top 3 and the supporting cast will probably be dominated by the entering freshman class. That class is good, but the team will still probably be a year away.

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Agree, but 3 don't cut it in this league. They won't be turrible, but certainly not elite.

[XUFan09]

Agree, but 3 don't cut it in this league. They won't be turrible, but certainly not elite.
Hence, the part of my post beginning with, "The problem is..."

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[muskiefan82]

They will be better than DePaul though. Which isn't saying much, but there it is.

[GoMuskies]

I suspect they'll be like this year's Marquette team.

[XUFan09]

I suspect they'll be like this year's Marquette team.
Yup. They can beat you, but they can't consistently win.

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[X-band '01]

Villanova and Providence looking like the teams we saw in December and January now. Unfortunately, so is Seton Hall - they're leading at DePaul but only by single digits.

[X-band '01]

And yes, Kevin Willard just said "Get that f---ing camera out of my face" as Seton Hall went to commercial.

[xukeith]

Butler and Prov with HUGE gains in DanceCard:

http://www.unf.edu/~jcoleman/dance.htm

As much as I dislike them, I think UC is on the right side of the bubble to get in unless they lose tomorrow and first game of their tourney

[bjf123]

I don't think they'll beat SMU tomorrow.


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[xu82]

I want to know why this thread isn't all about James Farr? I looked at the front page, and it appears we are supposed to be all Farr, all the time. Get with it people!

Not that he doesn't deserve the attention, but a little restraint would go a long way... :biggrin:

[Lloyd Braun]

Butler is giving 10 points. Seems like a lot.

[X-band '01]

Butler is giving 10 points. Seems like a lot.

Not when Marquette is likely playing without Henry Ellenson (at a minimum, he won't be 100%).

[Lloyd Braun]

Not when Marquette is likely playing without Henry Ellenson (at a minimum, he won't be 100%).

We'll see. I think he'll be just fine.

[Lloyd Braun]

Butler is giving 10 points. Seems low .

That's better.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Creighton gets a 4 seed in NIT. Only BE team in it.

[Masterofreality]

Creighton gets a 4 seed in NIT. Only BE team in it.

Hmmmmm. Surprised no Marquette. Wojo must be steamed. Nice career Ellenson.

[GoMuskies]

Hmmmmm. Surprised no Marquette. Wojo must be steamed. Nice career Ellenson.

Is there no more CBI?

[GoMuskies]

With all the one seeds losing in the smaller conference tournaments, there wasn't a whole lot of room for major conference teams in the NIT.

[D-West & PO-Z]

With all the one seeds losing in the smaller conference tournaments, there wasn't a whole lot of room for major conference teams in the NIT.

Yeah good point.

Would Marquette take a CBI invite?

[sirthought]

Schools have really stepped away from the CBI. It's pretty much a money loser for them unless they can somehow pack the house. Doubtful for some programs whose fans are expecting more.

Ohio University is playing the CBI, but I am actually sort of surprised. That team scores really well and won 20 games, but it wasn't enough to win the MAC.

I think in many cases if a team thinks the experience will help their squad for next year they'll do it. But in the case of a program like Marquette, I'd have to ask what's the real benefit?

[waggy]

Marquette shut it down for the year.

[XMuskieFTW]

Yeah good point.

Would Marquette take a CBI invite?

I can't imagine they would ever play in a tourney less than the NIT unless they played strictly road games(which some teams choose to do)

The cost to operate a game in an NBA arena has to outweigh whatever small amount of tickets they would sell for it.

[XMuskieFTW]

Is there no more CBI?

Not only is there still a CBI and CIT, but this year there is also the new Vegas 16

[Masterofreality]

Schools have really stepped away from the CBI. It's pretty much a money loser for them unless they can somehow pack the house. Doubtful for some programs whose fans are expecting more.

Ohio University is playing the CBI, but I am actually sort of surprised. That team scores really well and won 20 games, but it wasn't enough to win the MAC.

I think in many cases if a team thinks the experience will help their squad for next year they'll do it. But in the case of a program like Marquette, I'd have to ask what's the real benefit?

My Loyola Chicago daughter's Ramblers won the damn thing last year, but it was a good thing they did because only they, out of the whole field were able to basically break even on it. You have to pay an "entry fee" of, she told me, $50,000 to host a game and $75,000 to host a semifinal game. If you get to the Finals and win, you get the money you paid refunded as Champion and, of course, get to keep whatever gate receipts you get. I believe the second place team gets some of their money back too.

The post season win and experience didn't help Loyola this year though. Finished under .500 and no postseason tourney.

[X-band '01]

They did give Wichita a scare, though.

[Masterofreality]

They did give Wichita a scare, though.

And BEAT Creighton.

[Masterofreality]

FWIW

Creighton blew out Alabama in the NIT last night 72-54.

[X-band '01]

And Creighton will now host Wagner in the 2nd round of the NIT. The Bonnies looked like they were still pouting early in the game over their non-inclusion to the NCAA Tournament. Suddenly, the Bluejays have a good shot of making it back to MSG in a couple of weeks.

[Cheesehead]

Butler helps out the Big East with 10 point win over Texas Tech

[Masterofreality]

Butler helps out the Big East with 10 point win over Texas Tech

You mean a Circus Big East team over one of those unbeatable Big 12 teams???

College basketball pundits (including and most notably ESPN) in full meltdown.

[muskiefan82]

This hurts, but GREAT JOB Butler. Now it's on the rest of us to win as well. I feel much more "we're in this together" in this league than before.

[bjf123]

This hurts, but GREAT JOB Butler. Now it's on the rest of us to win as well. I feel much more "we're in this together" in this league than before.

Agreed. Unless we're playing them in the tourney, I'm cheering for our Big East brethren.


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[BandAid]

This hurts, but GREAT JOB Butler. Now it's on the rest of us to win as well. I feel much more "we're in this together" in this league than before.

Ya, I don't necessarily "like" our conference mates when we're playing them, but I find myself cheering for them in the OOC and big time in the tournament. We're all in this together.

I always felt like Ivan Drago when we were in the A-10

[muskiefan82]

If they die, they die!

[Masterofreality]

Does anybody care that Creighton is playing those damn fun guys from BYU tonight in the NIT?

[GoMuskies]

Does anybody care that Creighton is playing those damn fun guys from BYU tonight in the NIT?

My boss cares. He's a BYU Mormon.

[X-band '01]

I'd care more if Creighton were getting NIT credits for the Big East.

In all seriousness, it's good for a younger Creighton team to get a decent postseason run here since the Big East and other power conferences have made it clear that they're not going to even consider CBI, CIT or Vegas 16/8 tournament fields.

[GoMuskies]

So...we really, really, really need Villanova to beat Miami on Friday. I'm not sure they can beat Kansas, but if they don't beat at least Miami it's another year of hearing what a disappointment the Big East was. And we're part of the problem this time. Dammit.

[Masterofreality]

And Creighton got drilled in the second half last night. Down to only Nova left to save the League rep.
Very disappointing.

[Xville]

unfortunately the conference as a whole has now had three poor performances in a row. This is starting to become a trend and not a good one. The big east deserves all the flack they receive from the national people until they can start proving it in the tournament. Hopefully nova can make some noise but it's going to be one tall order for them to beat a bad matchup for them in Miami, and then presumably beat Kansas.

[muskienick]

unfortunately the conference as a whole has now had three poor performances in a row. This is starting to become a trend and not a good one. The big east deserves all the flack they receive from the national people until they can start proving it in the tournament. Hopefully nova can make some noise but it's going to be one tall order for them to beat a bad matchup for them in Miami, and then presumably beat Kansas.

How in the world do you maintain all those green dots while consistently spewing your negativity through every one of your posts? I realize that every poster here is welcome to contribute her/his thoughts whatever they may be. But one must ask: Do you ever wake up and see the sun and blue sky?

[bobbiemcgee]

I was disappointed in my golf score yesterday. Was going to try to do better today but it snowed 2 feet.

[XUMIOH12]

How in the world do you maintain all those green dots while consistently spewing your negativity through every one of your posts? I realize that every poster here is welcome to contribute her/his thoughts whatever they may be. But one must ask: Do you ever wake up and see the sun and blue sky?

its not like that post is untrue. Only a couple of sweet 16 appearances in the 3 years and so far, no team past that.

[muskienick]

its not like that post is untrue. Only a couple of sweet 16 appearances in the 3 years and so far, no team past that.

If that were the ONLY such posting by XVILLE, I would not have been critical of it. But his posts are chronically negative. He also made that post and one of our teams has already made the Elite 8. So it is not only negative, but it is not even true at this point! Why not at least wait until Nova pisses down their collective legs, if they do at all!!! They destroyed Miami to win a spot in the Elite 8. They have the dubious challenge of having to play Kansas for the chance to move along to the Final 4. Losing that game, if it were to happen, would neither be unexpected nor embarrassing. The Wildcats have already brought glory to the Big East and the Muskies, by getting a 2 seed, have also.

[Xville]

If that were the ONLY such posting by XVILLE, I would not have been critical of it. But his posts are chronically negative. He also made that post and one of our teams has already made the Elite 8. So it is not only negative, but it is not even true at this point! Why not at least wait until Nova pisses down their collective legs, if they do at all!!! They destroyed Miami to win a spot in the Elite 8. They have the dubious challenge of having to play Kansas for the chance to move along to the Final 4. Losing that game, if it were to happen, would neither be unexpected nor embarrassing. The Wildcats have already brought glory to the Big East and the Muskies, by getting a 2 seed, have also.

Oh I'm sorry am I invading your safe space? By the way it isn't negative, its the truth. Also, just because Villanova has made the Elite Eight doesn't magically mean the Big East as a whole hasn't sucked it up in the tournament the past 3 years. Do you perceive the Pac-12 as being a great conference now that Oregon is in the Elite Eight, or that because Kentucky goes to the final four in what feels like every other year the SEC is good?

[waggy]

The BE isn't perfect, but I'm good with it.