Games involving other Big East Conference Members 2015-2016

[D-West & PO-Z]

27-11 run to end the half by Marquette. Up 1.

[bobbiemcgee]

Ocefu 0 pts. Archie 3

[Masterofreality]

We may be playing a lot of Twin Towers of Jimmy Farr and JReynolds against Fischer and Ellenson on Saturday.

[paulxu]

Nova opening it up. They have some big guys on that team.

[LA Muskie]

Tough Flagrant 1 call. Not saying they're wrong. Just tough to decipher the intent there.


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[bobbiemcgee]

Big Saturday:

http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/schedule?group=14

[bobbiemcgee]

Gottlieb and Seth Davis = dumb and dumber.

[bobbiemcgee]

Friars ain't looking so good @ home.

[X-band '01]

I'm terrified of schizophrenic teams like Seton Hall. You never know who's going to play and you never know if they show up completely hot or cold. There's no in-between for them.

[Masterofreality]

I love Ed Corbett as an official. One of the best. Glad he's in the Big East.

[Masterofreality]

I'm terrified of schizophrenic teams like Seton Hall. You never know who's going to play and you never know if they show up completely hot or cold. There's no in-between for them.

Seton Hall is capable of melting down at any time. We've got a game to win vs GTown first. We'll worry about Seton Hall Saturday.

[Masterofreality]

Not Providence' day today. Seton Hall helped themselves immensely today. Move from 63 to 44 RPI

[Xville]

Seton hall is very very good. However all of their talent are sophomores and a lot of type a personalitles so they are going to be up and down throughout the season. I also think providence is a little overrated and don't have much depth. They are good but I'm thinking more of a 20-30 team not a top 10-15 team. Just my opinion.

[Emp]

I know Providence seems to be in a mini funk, but at home it's virtually PickEm on most lines vs Butler. Is someone injured?

[Masterofreality]

This Providence/Butler game is great, but Providence cannot shoot!

[LA Muskie]

A bank 3??? Ouch. Just ouch.

[Masterofreality]

The Bank is open at 8:25pm!!!!!!!!

Did I mention that I love this league!!??

[xukeith]

Watching college basketball scores and boy!, X is not the only one to get upset at home. WVU lost at home, Mich. State lost at home to Nebraska. Couple more. Misery loves company.

[XMuskieFTW]

Billy Garrett Jr. Clutch. really surprised they won at Marquette.

[scoscox]

Watching this game, four of Seton Hall's starting five is really good, maybe better than Nova's. Unfortunately outside of that they have nothing. They'll be a good game.

[drudy23]

Damnit...someone knock them off.

[Xville]

It's really starting to make me nervous that the only teams we have beaten in conference are at the bottom of the league, and the good ones we lost too. The next two games are going to be pretty telling.

[X-band '01]

Butler is near the bottom because their schedule was front-loaded with Villanova, Xavier and Providence 2x; they still haven't played anyone in the middle of the league yet. If they start losing to programs like Seton Hall or Creighton, then I'd be more nervous about them.

[Masterofreality]

Did anyone touch the ball for Seton Hall in the last two minutes other than Whithead? I don't know if that is Willard's coaching or just Whithead, but I would estimate the latter. He made that three from the corner, then it was like "My ball, and my ball only". Bad play by Whitehead to not go backcourt to get the sideline inbounds after 'Nova turned it over.

I don't know what Seton Hall team we'll see on Saturday.

[Xville]

Seton Hall is uber talented but also still pretty young. When you start 5 sophomores, there are going to be some bumps along the way, but you can't deny their talent. If they all stay together and continue to grow this year, that could be a top 10 team next year.

[LadyMuskie]

I'm unconcerned. Why? Because the game in Philly was over when Ed hit the floor. The next 35 minutes were unlike any we'll (hopefully) see again all season. How do you play after that? I look forward to Nova returning to Cintas. I can't help but think of one of my favorite movies. . . "It's not revenge we're after. It's a reckoning."

As for the Georgetown game . . . we were off, Georgetown was on. It was the perfect storm. They had a night where they couldn't miss and we had a night where half the team looked as if they'd only just picked up basketball as a hobby a few hours before. It happens. Shake it off. Move on. Learn from it.

We'll be fine Saturday. We're Xavier! We're talented and we don't let adversity keep us down for long.

[X-man]

I'm unconcerned. Why? Because the game in Philly was over when Ed hit the floor. The next 35 minutes were unlike any we'll (hopefully) see again all season. How do you play after that? I look forward to Nova returning to Cintas. I can't help but think of one of my favorite movies. . . "It's not revenge we're after. It's a reckoning."

As for the Georgetown game . . . we were off, Georgetown was on. It was the perfect storm. They had a night where they couldn't miss and we had a night where half the team looked as if they'd only just picked up basketball as a hobby a few hours before. It happens. Shake it off. Move on. Learn from it.

We'll be fine Saturday. We're Xavier! We're talented and we don't let adversity keep us down for long.
Public reps for this post, because the man won't let me rep you privately.

[bobbiemcgee]

http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/schedule?group=14

Providence/Nova moved to Sunday - Good for us cuz we play PC Tues.

[Masterofreality]

Damn Georgetown had better beat UCon this weekend.
We're all Hoyas when it comes to that!!!

[paulxu]

Georgetown/UConn in a good one. But most of the Hoyas in foul trouble,

[Xville]

Georgetown/UConn in a good one. But most of the Hoyas in foul trouble,

Shocking that gtown lost....except that they aren't very good. We just played like crap that game.

[Cheesehead]

Creighton picking up steam. Now 5-2 in conference with big win at home tonight vs Butler.

[GoMuskies]

Let's go Provi!

[xavierj]

I would much rather play Nova at the Sixers home than they crap gym Xavier always seems at when they play Nova on the road.

[Blue Blobs Bro]

Providence is so fun to watch.

[Masterofreality]

Providence is so fun to watch.

BYU fun level?

[Blue Blobs Bro]

That level of fun elevated level of actual skill

[Masterofreality]

This is a great showcase for the league on National TV. Where the hell is Gus Johnson??????

[GoMuskies]

Finish them!

[GoMuskies]

Foul!

[GoMuskies]

Dumb asses.

[Masterofreality]

Dumb asses.

HOW can YOU NOT FOUL THERE???!!!!!!!!

[BMoreX]

What a game. I hope it goes to 7 OT.

[Lloyd Braun]

Dumb asses.

Seriously. That said I think X fans are more in tune to this situation than any other team.

[GoMuskies]

Wow, Dunn fouled out with a quickness.

[Masterofreality]

What.....an.......awful.....call.......AWFUL!

[GoMuskies]

Nice!

[bleedXblue]

Gonna be really tough on Tuesday. Dunn and Bentil are really, really good.

[Masterofreality]

Ooooooovvvvvvvvvvvveeeeeeerrrrrrrr,!

[GoMuskies]

It's a conference race again!

[bleedXblue]

Hope Providence has a hard time getting up for Tuesdays game.

[Xville]

Thank goodness f nova. I'll say one thing both of these teams defend way better than what xavier has shown the past few weeks. X needs to get way better on that side of the ball to beat these two teams.

[X Factor]

Thank goodness f nova. I'll say one thing both of these teams defend way better than what xavier has shown the past few weeks. X needs to get way better on that side of the ball to beat these two teams.

I disagree about defending way better than Xavier. Providence is ranked #133 on offense by Kenpom and they scored 82 points on Nova.

The G'Town game was not the norm for Xavier.

[bleedXblue]

Thank goodness f nova. I'll say one thing both of these teams defend way better than what xavier has shown the past few weeks. X needs to get way better on that side of the ball to beat these two teams.

Agree 100%.

[xu82]

Thank goodness f nova. I'll say one thing both of these teams defend way better than what xavier has shown the past few weeks. X needs to get way better on that side of the ball to beat these two teams.

No kidding! At first we were giving up deep 3 pointers from the corners, but now they come in almost to the rim!

[bleedXblue]

No kidding! At first we were giving up deep 3 pointers from the corners, but now they come in almost to the rim!

I cant remember a game in recent memory where we gave up so many bunnies.

[Xville]

I disagree about defending way better than Xavier. Providence is ranked #133 on offense by Kenpom and they scored 82 points on Nova.

The G'Town game was not the norm for Xavier.

It's been the norm for three or four games now. We give up way too many open shots..just because the shots didn't go in doesn't mean we defended well.

[fellahmuskie]

You can watch the Marquette - St. John's game for free on cbssports.com - http://www.cbssports.com/video/player/live

[vee4xu]

Hope Providence has a hard time getting up for Tuesdays game.

My thinking is that they will. Having to play OT on the road and all of the effort that went into beating Villanova has to take a toll when playing a team like Xavier a mere 48 hours later. Also, I was watching the game and somewhere around the 4 minute mark left in the second half, Dunn injured himself. Seemed like an ankle or a hammy. Either way, it didn't seem serious, but is the kind of thing that may tighten over the next day, or so. In any event, X better show up with its A-game in tow, just in case the Friars are hitting on all cylinders.

[Masterofreality]

Not only what Vee said, but Providence couldn't fly back, they had to take a bus through what had to be a slow moving New York.
Ed Cooley is a tough coach with tough minded players, though. They'll be ready but I hope our depth can wear them down. Our zone last year (really the first time we ever used it) worked well against them last year too.

[kyxu]

Either way, it didn't seem serious, but is the kind of thing that may tighten over the next day, or so. In any event, X better show up with its A-game in tow, just in case the Friars are hitting on all cylinders.

Right. "Just in case."

[Xville]

Gtown better get their crap together and win this game. Hate that we lost to them.. they aren't good...ugh

[Masterofreality]

Gtown better get their crap together and win this game. Hate that we lost to them.. they aren't good...ugh

But Creighton isn't bad. Love this league.

[Masterofreality]

Govan of GTown just fouled out on an abjectly horrific call. Just terrible.

[bjf123]

GTown is getting homered at home. Another bad call.


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[xu82]

Govan of GTown just fouled out on an abjectly horrific call. Just terrible.

I came here to say exactly THAT!

[Xville]

But Creighton isn't bad. Love this league.

Don't care about creighton...doesn't make it ok we lost to a team that isn't good and won't be making the tournament.

[xu82]

Don't care about creighton...doesn't make it ok we lost to a team that isn't good and won't be making the tournament.

Lot's of time left, but they can't clank FT's!

[bleedXblue]

I would love to find the post from last year where some very regular posters claimed Creighton was done once Doug M left and that his Dad was incapable of competing in this league.

[Masterofreality]

Don't care about creighton...doesn't make it ok we lost to a team that isn't good and won't be making the tournament.

Yeah like that never happens to any team in College basketball either this year or any year. And Creighton isn't horrible. 90 RPI- better than Clemson and LSU for example.

By the way, we established that Georgetown had a very unusually good shooting night against us, or did you miss that discussion?

[Xville]

Actually looking at the rest of their schedule, they may be lucky to make the nit

[X-band '01]

Creighton is about to go 4-0 on the road in Big East play. No small feat.

[chico]

Creighton is not to be taken lightly. They look pretty good and even thought they've played the softer opponents in the conference they're still winning games.

At this point, though, I just want that game to end quickly.

[Xville]

If this game goes to overtime, I might freak out.

[xu82]

If this game goes to overtime, I might freak out.

Oh, the negative vibes.....

(Said Donald Sutherland)

[drudy23]

They usually hold the games until the other is over in their doubleheaders, don't they?

[scoscox]

Georgetown does this every freaking game.

[Xville]

If gtown comes away with a win, I reserve the right to take away everything I said about them. Still don't like them though.

[drudy23]

Solid meltdown by Creighton.

[Xville]

Wow epic choke job creighton....geezus.

[xu82]

If gtown comes away with a win, I reserve the right to take away everything I said about them. Still don't like them though.

Too late.....

[GIMMFD]

Georgetown just stole that damn victory away. Wow.

[Cheesehead]

Georgetown just stole that damn victory away. Wow.

Thompson should have an asterick next to that win. He didn't do much to cause that win.

[drudy23]

Thompson should have an asterick next to that win. He didn't do much to cause that win.

And he should tell his dad to get the f*ck out of his press conferences.

[MADXSTER]

Ok, if you watched any of the Georgetown game raise your hand. That game was hideously attended. AWFUL!!! I bet less than 1/3 of the Cintas lower bowl. There were empty seats behind the Georgetown bench....1st row behind the bench. The crowd that was there was into the game but boy that place was empty which is really really sad.

Ok Muskie, you can put your hand down now.

[xavierj]

Ok, if you watched any of the Georgetown game raise your hand. That game was hideously attended. AWFUL!!! I bet less than 1/3 of the Cintas lower bowl. There were empty seats behind the Georgetown bench....1st row behind the bench. The crowd that was there was into the game but boy that place was empty which is really really sad.

Ok Muskie, you can put your hand down now.

You know, I was thinking about that. Did the snow storm still play a role? I was watching W Virginia vs Kansas St and the place was empty as well. I was wondering if W Va basketball attendance was always that bad.

[Xville]

Watched it...thought that about the crowd as well. Looked at previous attendance numbers from them this year and this seemed to be a bit of an aberation. One thing though is that they play in a 20k arena and they are rarely going to ever look full.

Anyways regarding the game, I don't think either of those teams are very good at all. Two pretty poor coaches in my opinion. Hate that we lost to Georgetown just because I think they suck and we are a much better team that just didn't have it that night.

[bjf123]

Can someone tell me why Marquette is playing Stetson in the middle of conference play? I know we would sometimes schedule UC for this time of year for ESPN's Rivalry Week. Don't think that's the case here.


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[Xville]

Good to see butler and Seton hall win the games they should tonight. St johns and Depaul should only win games against each other.

[GIMMFD]

You know, I was thinking about that. Did the snow storm still play a role? I was watching W Virginia vs Kansas St and the place was empty as well. I was wondering if W Va basketball attendance was always that bad.

Nope, not at all, WVU usually has a pretty good basketball attendance, but with the cold, and the snow I know a lot of people from back home didn't feel like making the trip against a team they were supposed to (and relatively did) handle with ease. During Kansas, there was a snowstorm, and cars were backed up for miles, some of the players actually got out of their vehicles and ran up the hill to the Colosseum to get to shootaround/pregame on time. There's just a difference when there's a good team, and a bad team in town.

[coasterville95]

Can someone tell me why Marquette is playing Stetson in the middle of conference play? I know we would sometimes schedule UC for this time of year for ESPN's Rivalry Week. Don't think that's the case here.


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Spare crowd, the fans aren't going for it. Especially at 9pm.

The commentators say it's all about building confidence but Stetson is a cream puff. Down 20 and not even the second media time out.

[GoMuskies]

Good to see butler and Seton hall win the games they should tonight. St johns and Depaul should only win games against each other.

I'd be perfectly happy to see St. John's or DePaul beat Villanova.

[coasterville95]

Better question. - why the heck is this on Fox sports 1 and not say the Time Warner Sports Channel.

[drudy23]

Better question. - why the heck is this on Fox sports 1 and not say the Time Warner Sports Channel.

Why is it on at all?

[MauriceX]

You know, I was thinking about that. Did the snow storm still play a role? I was watching W Virginia vs Kansas St and the place was empty as well. I was wondering if W Va basketball attendance was always that bad.

Yeah, it had everything to do with the snow storm. DC still hasn't fully recovered. Most schools are still shut down and federal offices are opening three hours late still tomorrow. When this game was going on, the only people that were going to make it were those that were within walking distance or incredibly dedicated. Roads were mostly impassable and public transportation had shut down.

[X-band '01]

"No Butler, this is not a good idea"

"Sorry Goose, it's time to buzz the tower"

[D-West & PO-Z]

Ellenson with 31 points.

Butler about to go down @Marquette.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Not so fast, Marquette just missed front end of 1 and 1 and Butler comes down and drills a 3. Butler down 2, Marquette ball 35.3 secs left.

[Masterofreality]

Butler is absolutely playing their way out of the tournament. They had better start winning some....ANY.....games (except against X)

[zanesxu]

Ellenson went beast mode... 32 pts, 10 rebs, 6 blocks, 2-2 from 3, 14-16 ft... 13th double double of the year... wonder who will last longer at Marquette, him or Wojo...

[JTG]

Ellenson went beast mode... 32 pts, 10 rebs, 6 blocks, 2-2 from 3, 14-16 ft... 13th double double of the year... wonder who will last longer at Marquette, him or Wojo...

Announcers said the bldg was full of NBA scouts and Ellenson is already a lottery pick.

[XUFan09]

He's gone after this year, most likely, which is too bad, because this Marquette squad looks like it could be a year away from being a force with him at the head of it.

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[MADXSTER]

Providence Georgetown game going on right now. Game at Georgetown. Would love to see Providence get this one.

[xubrew]

Providence Georgetown game going on right now. Game at Georgetown. Would love to see Providence get this one.

The game is at Georgetown, so I like Providence's chances. If it were at Providence then I'd say they were in trouble.

[MADXSTER]

With a Providence win, Xavier will be in sole possession of 2nd place in the BE.

[bjf123]

With a Providence win, Xavier will be in sole possession of 2nd place in the BE.

Go Friars!


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[bjf123]

Cooley looks like he's drinking strawberry Quik.


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[MADXSTER]

30 seconds to go. Providence up 4 with DSR on the line.

[xu82]

Great finish! Dunn and Bentil combine for 52 in the win.

[MADXSTER]

BE Standings

1 Villanova 7-1
2 Xavier 7-2
3 Providence 6-3
4 Georgetown 6-3

[paulxu]

You can be leading shooting 27% if the other guy is shooting 23%.

[paulxu]

And then lose the lead if you drop to 15% and they improve to 33%

[xudash]

St. John's kept the game close on a banking three shot at the half, but now has fallen steadily behind Villanova.

Aside from the game itself, I am very impressed with the crowd at MSG, and find it even a little more interesting that they keep pointing out different celebrities in the audience. John McEnroe is there, as an example. The overall point is that all of this looks good for the viability of the conference long term.

Imagine if and when CM gets the Johnny's moving.

[Xville]

St. John's kept the game close on a banking three shot at the half, but now has fallen steadily behind Villanova.

Aside from the game itself, I am very impressed with the crowd at MSG, and find it even a little more interesting that they keep pointing out different celebrities in the audience. John McEnroe is there, as an example. The overall point is that all of this looks good for the viability of the conference long term.

Imagine if and when CM gets the Johnny's moving.

Hopefully he does get it together in a couple of years...it would be great for the league for them to be good. It would also help for Depaul to be good since they are also in a huge market. Hopefully the new arena once completed will help their recruting. There is zero reason for a Chicago school to consistently be this bad...too much home talent.

[X-band '01]

St. John's kept the game close on a banking three shot at the half, but now has fallen steadily behind Villanova.

Aside from the game itself, I am very impressed with the crowd at MSG, and find it even a little more interesting that they keep pointing out different celebrities in the audience. John McEnroe is there, as an example. The overall point is that all of this looks good for the viability of the conference long term.

Imagine if and when CM gets the Johnny's moving.

I'm surprised McEnroe was in the house; I thought he'd be down under for the Australian Open.

[paulxu]

I'm surprised McEnroe was in the house; I thought he'd be down under for the Australian Open.

I think Patrick does the tennis deal.

[BMoreX]

Butler up 11 over Georgetown with 2 minutes to play.

[BMoreX]

Kelan Martin also has 34.

[Masterofreality]

Butler up 11 over Georgetown with 2 minutes to play.

Georgetown continue to be garbage....except against us. Bllllllaaaaaaaawwwwaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh!!!!

[GoMuskies]

Provi should probably wake up.

[Xville]

F gtown....hope they lose out and hire an actual coach. F them.

[Masterofreality]

Provi should probably wake up.

Would be advise able. 38-38 at half in Chi.

[XUFan09]

Providence lacks the overall firepower to put teams away. It's why tempo-free efficiency metrics rank them lower, and it's why they play a lot of close games. Luckily, they have one of the best players in college basketball when it comes time to close. Hopefully, they pull it out tonight.

[XMuskieFTW]

Providence has looked absolutely horrible all night. Hopefully they can pull this out, but a really bad sign that Bentil isn't coming back in when they're down like this. Ankle can't be in good shape.

[drudy23]

This could provide some nice breathing room...I have a feeling DePaul will be DePaul.

[XMuskieFTW]

Are the 14 fans at the game enough to rush the court or nah?

[Masterofreality]

Of course, the "metrics" ignore the fact that Providence's second best player Bentil barely played tonight.
There's that.

[XMuskieFTW]

Of course, the "metrics" ignore the fact that Providence's second best player Bentil barely played tonight.
There's that.

And that Bentil, Dunn, and Fazekas have all missed time early this season when they were only beating the Boston Colleges and Riders of the world by like 5-10

[drudy23]

Wow...I'll take it...and not enough people to storm the court.

Two team race.

[Juice]

Of course, the "metrics" ignore the fact that Providence's second best player Bentil barely played tonight.
There's that.

The metrics say they have the 117th most efficient offense in the country which is shit for a top 15 team.

[Xville]

Ugh...I like that it gives us some breathing room, but providence losing to Depaul is just terrible. At least it wasn't at home I guess.

[XUMIOH12]

providence needs to beat villanova again on saturday, then they would be right back in it

[Muskie1000]

Depends on how Bentil is... Rule#1 you can not lose to DePaul, Rule#2 if you lose to DePaul then you better beat everyone else.

[X-band '01]

Xavier needs to finish off St. John's tonight - losing to the Johnnies would be even worse.

[bjf123]

I'm sure the coaching staff is all over them about DePaul upsetting Providence last night. Can't let that kind of upset happen tonight.


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[JTG]

Does anyone think that the lack of fans at DePaul games actually messes with the visitors psyche, ie: Providence? Mack said in the post game last Saturday that there was absolutely no energy in that building, except for the X fans. Makes it like playing a pick up game in an empty wear house!

[xudash]

Xavier needs to finish off St. John's tonight - losing to the Johnnies would be even worse.

Especially since it's a home game for us.

I like our chances.

[X-band '01]

Does anyone think that the lack of fans at DePaul games actually messes with the visitors psyche, ie: Providence? Mack said in the post game last Saturday that there was absolutely no energy in that building, except for the X fans. Makes it like playing a pick up game in an empty wear house!

We joked about this one year in the A-10 (I forget the exact year); Xavier did very well in the bandbox arenas and UD Arena but played their worst game of the year in front of a sparse crowd at Temple.

[Cheesehead]

I think there is some truth to that especially when you are favored in the game. There is some over confidence and then when there is no atmosphere, there is a tendency to not be as focused and energized.

[bobbiemcgee]

http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/schedule?group=14

[paulxu]

Quick turnaround for Hoyas and Johnnies.

[bobbiemcgee]

Nice run by the friars then crushed by f'ing 'Nova. Dunn can't find the hoop the last couple of games.

[drudy23]

I like Arch...he's just solid, makes few mistakes, and always hits big shots.

Even though I wish he would have missed that dagger.

[bjf123]

Not sure who to root for/against in the Georgetown / Seton Hall game tonight. They're tied for third two games behind us.


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[bobbiemcgee]

Hall up 1 at half. both shooting under 30% which they do when not playing X.

[paulxu]

Out for a quick errand. Turn on the local ESPN station for the Upstate.
They are (through Westwood 1) airing the Providence/Marquette game.
Very strange to hear that on ESPN radio down here.

Added bonus...heard 2 adverts for Cintas, the uniform company.

[Masterofreality]

Ruh Roh Friars...

Down 87-83 to Marquette with 2 to go in the 2nd OT

[XUFan09]

Semi-open three with the chance tie the game. Oh well.

I just wish Marquette played like this earlier in the season.

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[Masterofreality]

Marquette holds on 96-91 in Double OT. Ben Bentil had 42 freaking points.

Providence seems to be losing steam. Not enough depth. Hope they can get it back for a decent seed.....but not against us.

[X-band '01]

Amazing that Providence is 0-for-9 against Marquette in Milwaukee.

[D-West & PO-Z]

And Butler wins at SH.

[XUFan09]

And Butler wins at SH.
They needed that. Plus, I think Seton Hall is still in good shape, so it was a net positive for the conference.

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[Masterofreality]

They needed that. Plus, I think Seton Hall is still in good shape, so it was a net positive for the conference.

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Puts Butler back inside the Top 60 RPI. It might actually come down to SucKS and Butler for one of the last NCAA bids, and that win that Butler had at the Bank may be the tiebreaker.

Amazingly enough, however, Alabama and Michigan are higher ranked in the RPI than Butler.

[X-band '01]

And yet Alabama and Michigan are headed in completely opposite directions. Alabama will at least get a look from the Committee if they can get to .500 in the SEC.

[Cheesehead]

Amazing that Providence is 0-for-9 against Marquette in Milwaukee.

Make that 0-10, they were 0-9 going into the game. Bentil to me, is a better pro prospect than Dunn. Fun game to watch. Marquette tried to give it away a couple of times.

[XUMIOH12]

Bentil looks like his ankle still isnt back to normal. Seems to be hobbling around on the court still at times.

[X-band '01]

Make that 0-10, they were 0-9 going into the game. Bentil to me, is a better pro prospect than Dunn. Fun game to watch. Marquette tried to give it away a couple of times.

I thought they were 0-10 as well, but I corrected myself after seeing this link:

Big East Coast Bias - Every Providence Loss in Milwaukee (http://www.bigeastcoastbias.com/2016/2/10/10955114/providence-marquette-2016-every-friars-loss-in-milwaukee)

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I didn't look, is Levert playing yet? Michigan is a totally different team with that guy. 6'6, bomb threes, drive, play good defense. He should be a decent pro.


And yet Alabama and Michigan are headed in completely opposite directions. Alabama will at least get a look from the Committee if they can get to .500 in the SEC.

[XMuskieFTW]

I didn't look, is Levert playing yet? Michigan is a totally different team with that guy. 6'6, bomb threes, drive, play good defense. He should be a decent pro.

Not yet. I heard he was cleared for yesterday's game at Minnesota but they didn't play him. I imagine he'll be back in some capacity this weekend.

[Cheesehead]

I thought they were 0-10 as well, but I corrected myself after seeing this link:

Big East Coast Bias - Every Providence Loss in Milwaukee (http://www.bigeastcoastbias.com/2016/2/10/10955114/providence-marquette-2016-every-friars-loss-in-milwaukee)

M bad. The broadcasters were wrong then because they said during broadcast Providence was 0-9 during the game, which would have made Providence 0-10, if their info was correct... which it was not.

[Masterofreality]

Bentil looks like his ankle still isnt back to normal. Seems to be hobbling around on the court still at times.

But he only scored 42 last night!

[XUMIOH12]

But he only scored 42 last night!

I'd say thats pretty good for being banged up!

[X-band '01]

But he only scored 42 last night!

I'm sure a lot of those points came in OT, especially after Kris Dunn fouled out.

[XUMIOH12]

I'm sure a lot of those points came in OT, especially after Kris Dunn fouled out.

He played 48 of the 50 minutes. 11/29 shooting and 14/17 FTs.

[novachap]

Sorry, off topic---- past rating of recruits might be an interesting thread.

I am sure everyone has an example of a rating by "experts" that might be a little off. This was on one of our Boards today, ESPN posted it 4 years ago. Although he does still reach a little, I think they were a little off.... Have any gems on your guys?

"Arcidiacano plays the game with an obvious arrogance which manifests itself with his bad body language. He takes plays off when he is so inclined, will trot or walk up the court behind the play, be nonchalant with the ball just to toy with his defender, and takes plays off defensively. Those antics raise questions as to whether or not other guys like to play with him and also lead to questions about how coach-able he will be. Defensively, he reaches way too much when guarding the ball and must make a more diligent effort to slide his feet."

[XUMIOH12]

Sorry, off topic---- past rating of recruits might be an interesting thread.

I am sure everyone has an example of a rating by "experts" that might be a little off. This was on one of our Boards today, ESPN posted it 4 years ago. Although he does still reach a little, I think they were a little off.... Have any gems on your guys?

"Arcidiacano plays the game with an obvious arrogance which manifests itself with his bad body language. He takes plays off when he is so inclined, will trot or walk up the court behind the play, be nonchalant with the ball just to toy with his defender, and takes plays off defensively. Those antics raise questions as to whether or not other guys like to play with him and also lead to questions about how coach-able he will be. Defensively, he reaches way too much when guarding the ball and must make a more diligent effort to slide his feet."

He was still a 4 star recruit. But, that is kind of a funny description of the guy based on his play throughout college.
Its always very interesting looking back on past recruiting rankings.
Here are the top 20 PGs ranked for the class of 2012; http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-2722

[XUFan09]

It sounds like Arch grew up more than anything. I bet Wright whipped him into shape.

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[XUFan09]

He was still a 4 star recruit. But, that is kind of a funny description of the guy based on his play throughout college.
Its always very interesting looking back on past recruiting rankings.
Here are the top 20 PGs ranked for the class of 2012; http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-2722
I'm actually impressed with how accurate that ranking is. They can't get everything right, but that's a pretty good ranking based on results.

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[scoscox]

Sorry, off topic---- past rating of recruits might be an interesting thread.

I am sure everyone has an example of a rating by "experts" that might be a little off. This was on one of our Boards today, ESPN posted it 4 years ago. Although he does still reach a little, I think they were a little off.... Have any gems on your guys?

"Arcidiacano plays the game with an obvious arrogance which manifests itself with his bad body language. He takes plays off when he is so inclined, will trot or walk up the court behind the play, be nonchalant with the ball just to toy with his defender, and takes plays off defensively. Those antics raise questions as to whether or not other guys like to play with him and also lead to questions about how coach-able he will be. Defensively, he reaches way too much when guarding the ball and must make a more diligent effort to slide his feet."

I can see that.

[scoscox]

I'm actually impressed with how accurate that ranking is. They can't get everything right, but that's a pretty good ranking based on results.

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That is a LOT of good guards.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Creighton favored by 1 @Marquette. I'm surprised by that. I would think home team would be favored between those two teams. Wonder what it opened.

[X-band '01]

Villanova is favored by a whopping 26.5 points at home against St. John's tonight. I don't think the point spread has been this high since South Florida could still call itself a Big East team.

[X-band '01]

Naturally, Villanova has just a 3-point lead against the Johnnies early in the 2nd half.

[RoseyMuskie]

With the W, Creighton moved into third place in the BE. That road loss isn't looking as bad today.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Creighton favored by 1 @Marquette. I'm surprised by that. I would think home team would be favored between those two teams. Wonder what it opened.

Shows what I know. Creighton won by 3.

[D-West & PO-Z]

With the W, Creighton moved into third place in the BE. That road loss isn't looking as bad today.

Creighton should make an appearance on the next Bubble Watch now.

[GoMuskies]

Enormous game at Hinkle tonight between Butler and Creighton. Almost feels like a Bubble elimination game, because Butler can't afford another home loss to a team like Creighton, and Creighton needs to keep piling up big wins to get on the radar. Huge implications for the muddled middle of the Big East standings as well. Creighton really puts themselves in a good spot in third place with a win. With a loss, they start slipping back towards 7th place and a Wednesday game at MSG. Butler can start to make a move in the standings with a win. Pretty good chance they'd be tied with Providence in the standings by the end of Wednesday night one game out of third place. Should be fun.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Probably better for the league for Butler to get a win here, but personally I dont have a rooting preference either way.

[XUFan09]

Probably better for the league for Butler to get a win here, but personally I dont have a rooting preference either way.
Though I think Creighton would be a more dangerous team if they made it, I think Butler's chances of making it are much better. They did great in the non-conference and really just need to finish 9-9. Meanwhile, in the non-conference, Creighton has just one Kenpom top 100 win, #90 Nebraska at home, and Nebraska is actually worse in RPI, projected at #146.

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[bobbiemcgee]

http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/gameTrax?gameId=201602160067

[GoMuskies]

I'm cheering for Butler. I just like them better. Maybe living in Wichita around Shocker fans is rubbing off on me (they HATE Creighton).

[xubrew]

I'm cheering for Butler. I just like them better. Maybe living in Wichita around Shocker fans is rubbing off on me (they HATE Creighton).

I miss that rivalry. I say we sell Creighton back to the Missouri Valley. Or, they can take both Creighton and DePaul, and we'll call it even.

[waggy]

Creighton not going away.

[bobbiemcgee]

Etherington? is 5/6 15 pts?

[GoMuskies]

Looking good for Butler.

[XUFan09]

Watson is one of my favorite players in the Big East. He'll be a POY contender next year.

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[xu82]

Watson is one of my favorite players in the Big East. He'll be a POY contender next year.

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He's too short! Didn't you see how he barely broke 30 against us?

[bobbiemcgee]

http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/schedule?group=14

[Emp]

I'd prefer Hoyas win tonight, but they look pretty catatonic early.

[Xville]

I'd prefer Hoyas win tonight, but they look pretty catatonic early.

Why? Go Hall! Seton hall can actually make the tournament, Georgetown is nit bound.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Why? Go Hall! Seton hall can actually make the tournament, Georgetown is nit bound.

Yes this.

[GoMuskies]

I'd prefer Georgetown myself. That much closer to Xavier wrapping up the 2 seed at worst.

[GoMuskies]

Watching Georgetown at home, the energy level in the building basically matches an Auburn/Vandy game at 10 pm in the first round of the SEC Tournament.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Watching Georgetown at home, the energy level in the building basically matches an Auburn/Vandy game at 10 pm in the first round of the SEC Tournament.

There is literally no one there. My wife couldnt believe, she kept asking me why no one was there.

[GoMuskies]

Can Georgetown even beat St. John's on the first night of the Big East Tournament? They are the suck.

[paulxu]

Well then...


St. John's defeated DePaul tonight to snap a 16-game losing streak, which was the longest in Division I

[bleedXblue]

There is literally no one there. My wife couldnt believe, she kept asking me why no one was there.

Its every game. Pretty sad.

[xu82]

Wow, that's like a HS or an AAU crowd. Like, people just looking to get in out of the cold. How do you recruit anyone to THAT?

[D-West & PO-Z]

They just said SH didnt score a FG for the last 14 mins of the game, it was all FTs. Amazing.

[X Factor]

Watching Georgetown at home, the energy level in the building basically matches an Auburn/Vandy game at 10 pm in the first round of the SEC Tournament.

They will probably be packing them in Saturday and G'Town will come out like the '84 Hoyas.

[paulxu]

Xavier and Villanova are the only 2 teams in the country with 23 wins.

(also Chattanooga, but 1 was against a D2 team)

[xubrew]

Xavier and Villanova are the only 2 teams in the country with 23 wins.

(also Chattanooga, but 1 was against a D2 team)

Div2 games should not count on your record unless you lose them.

And I'm only half joking.

In fact, I'm not even half joking. They really shouldn't count as wins.

I appreciate div2 and div3 basketball. But, if you want to play div2 teams, then reclassify to div2.

[bobbiemcgee]

http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/schedule?group=14

[XMuskieFTW]

http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/schedule?group=14

That Providence at Seton Hall game Thursday is massive. Tough one for Providence. Need to somehow pull it out. Losing 6 of 8 two weeks before the end of the season would raise way too many red flags for the committee.

[Bearcat_Bounce]

Watching Nova-Butler. Crazy to think that finally the remnants of the Old Big East will die. Arcidiacono was on Villanova when we were still in the Big East. That literally feels like a century ago.

[UCGRAD4X]

Nova only up by 2 at the 15:55 timeout after being up by double digits most of the game.

...actually up briefly a minute later...

[gladdenguy]

Butler leads!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lloyd Braun]

Seton Hall.... Yikes.

[Lloyd Braun]

Gotta love Mullin standing outside the huddle watching the final play get drawn up.

[Lloyd Braun]

And there was a fight after the game but the game cut to women's bball.

[bobbiemcgee]

Gotta love Mullin standing outside the huddle watching the final play get drawn up.

he ain't no Mack on oob plays - glad Hall won - won't be pissed off when we go there.

[Masterofreality]

Seton Hall absolutely could not have lost that game and still think about making the Dance.

[Lloyd Braun]

Seton Hall absolutely could not have lost that game and still think about making the Dance.

2 bid league? We're not far from it.

[Masterofreality]

2 bid league? We're not far from it.

Not really...especially with Louisville and SMU taking themselves out.
There is a LOT of flotsam and jetsam out there this year..and just because the Big East is beating up on each other doesn't mean disaster. You think, for example, that SucKS makes it in ahead of Butler? Butler beat them on their home floor.

Strength of league counts.

[EastCoastXman]

Fight after the SHU st John's game. Disparaging remark made by St Johns to Derrick Gordon. More to follow. Very heated!

[D-West & PO-Z]

Caught the last 4 mins or so, both teams were so dumb with stupid aggressive play when no needed and leading resulting in fouls allowing the other team to take the lead. Seton Hall just got lucky that St. Johns had the last stupid foul. Poor coaching there at the end on both sides.

Glad Hall won though.

[GoMuskies]

Has anyone else noticed that Providence is the suck right now?

[bobbiemcgee]

http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/gameTrax?gameId=201602250508

[Masterofreality]

Has anyone else noticed that Providence is the suck right now?

Seems like the lack of depth is really wearing on them now. Short bench makes long minutes...

But, you know. College kids never get tired. They've played AAU ball with multiple games in one day all of their lives. :rolleyes:

[Porkopolis]

The Friars look totally gassed. The past few weeks have been a pretty epic meltdown on their part.

[xavierj]

http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/gameTrax?gameId=201602250508

Yeah Providence is a major dissapointment since conference play started. Two NBA guys on the team and they pretty much suck right now. Losing to depaul was a joke and now getting blasted by by the hall. They will not go to NCAA tourney either. Last year they flamed out too and seem to always have guys transferring out, even starters. Maybe Cooley isnt all that...

[GoMuskies]

They should be NIT.

[X-band '01]

Providence got this one back down to 7.

[GIMMFD]

Providence got this one back down to 7.

Seton Hall running away with this, they're playing good basketball. Should be a fun one on Sunday

[smileyy]

What a big disappointment. Looking back on their record, they don't really have any good wins outside of conference play (and not many within). I think Kris Dunn is a bit overrated; that might be partly because outside of he and Bentil, there's no one to do anything for Providence.

[GoMuskies]

They beat Arizona.

[smileyy]

They beat Arizona.

Good point..I feel like their rep was built on that win and a close loss to Mich. St.

Sucks that so many of X's good wins are turning out to be against teams that aren't so good. Fortunately, doesn't seem like Nova can shit the bed.

[waggy]

They also beat Nova.

[XUFan09]

Here's an exercise to assess depth:

- Tell me which Providence starter besides the main duo that would start on another Big East bubble team.
- Tell me which bench player would start on another Big East team, period.

There's some debate here, and granted, you have to consider guys out there for defensive purposes, but the fact that you have to think about it is demonstrative. For a guy who would start on a Big East bubble team, I can only suggest Bullock...maybe. He'll be better down the line, but right now, I'm actually pretty skeptical about just mentioning him. Coming off the bench...Jalen Lindsay and Ryan Fazekas? Eh.

You take away Dunn and Bentil and this Providence squad is not just not making the tournament; they would straight-up suck. Like beating out DePaul for 8th place level of bad. They're a good defensive unit (partly due to those two again), but the mediocre offense would become terrible without their saviors.

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[X-band '01]

Providence has DePaul, Creighton and a road game at St. John's remaining. They'd better not blow any of those remaining games.

[XUMIOH12]

Here's an exercise to assess depth:

- Tell me which Providence starter besides the main duo that would start on another Big East bubble team.
- Tell me which bench player would start on another Big East team, period.

There's some debate here, and granted, you have to consider guys out there for defensive purposes, but the fact that you have to think about it is demonstrative. For a guy who would start on a Big East bubble team, I can only suggest Bullock...maybe. He'll be better down the line, but right now, I'm actually pretty skeptical about just mentioning him. Coming off the bench...Jalen Lindsay and Ryan Fazekas? Eh.

You take away Dunn and Bentil and this Providence squad is not just not making the tournament; they would straight-up suck. Like beating out DePaul for 8th place level of bad. They're a good defensive unit (partly due to those two again), but the mediocre offense would become terrible without their saviors.

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Cartwright is a decent player, i could see him and Bullock playing for a few teams. But there really is no argument that they are pretty bad after Dunn and Bentil.

[XUFan09]

Cartwright is a decent player, i could see him and Bullock playing for a few teams. But there really is no argument that they are pretty bad after Dunn and Bentil.
Yeah, I like Cartwright but I'd see him as a bench player for any normal bubble team.

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[XUMIOH12]

Yeah, I like Cartwright but I'd see him as a bench player for any normal bubble team.

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for most yes, but he might start for a team like Butler or Marquette who are pretty weak at that position.

[smileyy]

You could play this game pretty well with Xavier's bench. Most of those guys would be starting on the BE's bubble teams.

[XUFan09]

for most yes, but he might start for a team like Butler or Marquette who are pretty weak at that position.
Ah good point.

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[XUFan09]

You could play this game pretty well with Xavier's bench. Most of those guys would be starting on the BE's bubble teams.
Yeah, even Makinde or Kaiser could start on some of them. The only reason J.P. or James wouldn't start is if the team was stacked at that position and weak somewhere else. I don't know if there are any cases of that, actually, because coaches would shift lineups to make it work (e.g. Butler keeping Rosie Jones at point so that J.P. could start).

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[American X]

Would Villanova losing to Marquette help Xavier in terms of NCAA seeding? Assuming no other losses by Nova or Xavier, would tying for the regular season title carry any weight with the selection committee?

As much I as I want conference crowns, I suspect it is better if Nova does not lose until the Big East championship game to Xavier.

[GoMuskies]

I want the #1 seed at MSG, so go Warriors.

[Snipe]

I think that if Nova and Xavier both win out until the Conference Tourney final at MSG we will both will have locked up #1 seeds before that game even starts. No that may be a grandiose aspiration, but I kinda want another huge matchup with them on Saturday Night in the Garden. I like to imagine a scenario where the winner will be the #1 team in the nation at the conclusion of the regular season coming into Selection Sunday.

So as crazy as it sounds, for the first time in my life I am rooting for the team ahead of us in conference play to win out the regular season. That is blasphemy and crazy talk, but there is a method to my madness. I also don't want to lose twice in one week before the new rankings come out so people can discount our victory. Teams tend to tank all year after we beat them, we have some sort of curse.

Marquette played us tough as nails the second time around at home. I thought we were going to lose before the late run. They have that big kid with Lottery Pick talent, and they have a bunch of young guys. They give teams matchup problems, and they can beat Nova today.

I actually think Marquette is an excellent darkhorse pick to win the Big East Tournament. Young talented teams that have their backs against the wall can be dangerous, and they will be a tough out. I don't want to play them at the Garden, let them be on the other side of the bracket.

Providence has three winnable games left, and they need to win them all to have a chance at dancing. IF they do their position will look a bit better, but they still might have to win a first round game at MSG.

Butler has to beat Georgetown at Georgetown today to stay on the bubble. I will be rooting for them, which is often the kiss of death.

We are going to have our hands full with the Hall tomorrow.

[Masterofreality]

Look at these posts. Only teams not mentioned are St. John's and DePaul as far as having a chance to win the Big East Tournament.

I love this league.

[bobbiemcgee]

http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/schedule?group=14

Warriors a 8.5/9 pt dog @ home? I dunno.

[bleedXblue]

http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/schedule?group=14

Warriors a 8.5/9 pt dog @ home? I dunno.

Marquette isn't very good........

[bleedXblue]

At this point we have to start rooting for Providence and Butler. They need W's to get into the dance. I think Seton Hall is ok unless they go on a 2-3 game losing streak.

[XUFan09]

At this point we have to start rooting for Providence and Butler. They need W's to get into the dance. I think Seton Hall is ok unless they go on a 2-3 game losing streak.
Yep. Providence's fall has been rough. They and Butler were the bridge between Xavier/Villanova and the bubble teams, but now the league is even more top-heavy than how it appeared early on.

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[GoMuskies]

Look at these posts. Only teams not mentioned are St. John's and DePaul as far as having a chance to win the Big East Tournament.

I love this league.

Georgetown has absolutely, positively NO chance. I'd probably say the same of Marquette, but it's not as certain a case as the Hoyas.

[Masterofreality]

At this point we have to start rooting for Providence and Butler. They need W's to get into the dance. I think Seton Hall is ok unless they go on a 2-3 game losing streak.

Agree, 100%

[Masterofreality]

Georgetown has absolutely, positively NO chance. I'd probably say the same of Marquette, but it's not as certain a case as the Hoyas.

Seeing how GTown is playing today, I gotta agree. WTF happened to them this year...Wait.....I know. JT3. Time to exit III.

[X-band '01]

Seton Hall just needs to avoid disaster against DePaul - beating Xavier and Butler would be gravy for them but not ideal for the Big East.

Providence has DePaul and Creighton at home and St. John's on the road. They'd better win all 3; otherwise they'll be in deep schidt.

Butler is taking care of business so far; they finish at home against the Hall and Marquette. Marquette and their game today are absolute must-wins.

[American X]

I want the #1 seed at MSG, so go Warriors.

I want the #1 seed in Louisville or Chicago, so go Wildcats.

[bobbiemcgee]

I want the #1 seed at MSG, so go Warriors.


I want the #1 seed in Louisville or Chicago, so go Wildcats.

ah, the complexities of a balanced schedule.