Games involving other Big East Conference Members 2015-2016

[paulxu]

Says who?

http://www.rpiforecast.com/live-conf-rpi.html

[waggy]

http://www.rpiforecast.com/live-conf-rpi.html

Thanks. Somehow I don't recall evering seen that particular page.

[paulxu]

Muskies only undefeated BE team. Just saying.

[bobbiemcgee]

http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/schedule?group=14

[XMuskieFTW]

Fazekas has mono for providence and will be out for who knows how long, bentil didn't break his ankle but could be out weeks, and Dunn is still sick and could be out Saturday. The character of that team is really going to be tested in the coming weeks.

[bobbiemcgee]

Providence struggling against Bryant w/o big 3....down 10 in 1st half. Dunn may have to suit up for 2nd half.

Update: Ben Bentil on the floor now.

[X-band '01]

PC's beat writer is also saying Providence's pep band is on the shelf due to study for final exams. I assure you we would never use that excuse here at X.

Bentil had a sprain for Providence, but he is seeing limited minutes today. We now know just how valuable Kris Dunn AND Fazekas are for the Friars.

[paulxu]

Good job Friars. Would be nice for Marquette to get Wisky.

[bobbiemcgee]

Ellenson. wow.

[X-band '01]

Wisconsin may be down, but it's very good for Marquette to take advantage and get a win in Madison. The Badgers don't have to play Green Bay this year, do they? I believe they're 0-fer in their own state this year (they lost to UW-Milwaukee earlier this week).

[bobbiemcgee]

G'Town wins a squeaker.... BE 4-0 so far.

[X Factor]

Butler beat UT today, but they gave up 86 points. This isn't your normal Butler team. They score a lot of points, but they also give up a lot. They are 9th in the BE in scoring defense, giving up 71.2 points per game going into today.

[MauriceX]

PC's beat writer is also saying Providence's pep band is on the shelf due to study for final exams. I assure you we would never use that excuse here at X.

Say whaaaaaat??? Slackers. I remember games on finals week were my favorite for pep band because it gave me a break from studying.

[GoMuskies]

DePaul can make it a perfect 7-0 for the Big East today if they can handle undefeated UA-Little Rock. I'd go with UALR if I were betting on this one.

[Masterofreality]

Yeah, Marquette knocked off Wisconsin by 2.

[xubrew]

Can we swap DePaul for Valpo?

[xu82]

Can we swap DePaul for Valpo?

Maybe in your sweet dreams?

[xubrew]

okay, can we just kick DePaul out then?? Nine teams is all we need.

If they swapped with Valpo and went to the Horizon League, they can play all their games on campus. They're on campus tonight, and there are plenty of empty seats available. And, they'd have a chance at finishing conference play with a winning record. They wouldn't win it, but at least they wouldn't be at the very bottom either. It's a win-win!! Lets' swap them with Valpo!

EDIT: I'm aware Little Rock is unbeaten and is actually fairly decent. But, DePaul is getting trashed. At home. In their smaller campus arena. That isn't anywhere close to full. This is about as un-Big East as anything we've seen since we joined it.

[Masterofreality]

okay, can we just kick DePaul out then?? Nine teams is all we need.

If they swapped with Valpo and went to the Horizon League, they can play all their games on campus. They're on campus tonight, and there are plenty of empty seats available. And, they'd have a chance at finishing conference play with a winning record. They wouldn't win it, but at least they wouldn't be at the very bottom either. It's a win-win!! Lets' swap them with Valpo!

EDIT: I'm aware Little Rock is unbeaten and is actually fairly decent. But, DePaul is getting trashed. At home. In their smaller campus arena. That isn't anywhere close to full. This is about as un-Big East as anything we've seen since we joined it.

Yeah, that Dave Leitao re-signing was a great idea!!

[BlueX]

Not the prettiest last few minutes for St johns but another nice win for the big east

[X-band '01]

I wonder how many games the Johnnies are able to steal at home this year. I don't see them winning more than 1 or 2 on the road in Big East play this year.

[Masterofreality]

This league is pretty good.

Oh, and Fordham>Syracuse��

[D-West & PO-Z]

This league is pretty good.

Oh, and Fordham>Syracuse��

Are you telling me Syracuse wouldn't win the A10?!?!

[GoMuskies]

Did I just see that Seton Hall and Wichita State are going to be on Fox next Saturday (and not FS1)? That's pretty sweet if so.

[X-band '01]

11:30 AM start time next Saturday - that is correct.

[GIMMFD]

St. Johns... what in the actual hell.. I don't understand that team at all.

[Masterofreality]

'Nova puts an absolute ass whipping on LaSuck...

Enough of those naysayers of a couple of years ago saying that the A10 would pass the Big East as a program.

The A10 still sucks. It is what it always was when we were in it. A couple of teams that may make noise, and a lot of flotsam and jetsam.

[Cheesehead]

Marquette at Wisconsin is also nice win. Watch out for Ellenson. There is a reason every program recruited the kid.

[bobbiemcgee]

Big week for BE:

http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/schedule?group=14

[GoMuskies]

Big week for BE:

http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/schedule?group=14

I don't see Saturday going well. I see 4 or 5 losses (reflecting on it, I think Villanova's got a good shot).

[muskiefan82]

I don't see Saturday going well. I see 5 losses.

I see 8 losses. There are no ties like soccer. I am hopeful the other teams get all 8 losses. This is one of those opportunities for the BE to rise up. Villanova beating Virginia and Butler over Purdue would be huge. Seton Hall and Creighton have their hands full, but who knows? It is basketball. DePaul/Northwestern is the "rivalry no one cares about"

[Xville]

I think that like Xavier, Purdue could be one of those underrated teams (if there is such a thing when being ranked #9). They have a really really good and big front court. I just think that is a terrible matchup for Butler..I hope that I am wrong. I also don't see Nova winning against Virginia on the road but again I hope that I am wrong. Seton Hall has a really big opportunity against Wichita State at home. I am interested to see if their young guns can get it done. If they do, that could be a big confidence boost for that young team this season.

[bobbiemcgee]

I would agree re: Purdue, but they really haven't played anybody yet, unless you want to count Fla.

[XUFan09]

I would agree re: Purdue, but they really haven't played anybody yet, unless you want to count Fla.
Efficiency-wise Florida is good. So is Pittsburgh, and that was on the road. New Mexico is solid too. The sample size is still a little small, though.

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[X-band '01]

I think that like Xavier, Purdue could be one of those underrated teams (if there is such a thing when being ranked #9). They have a really really good and big front court. I just think that is a terrible matchup for Butler..I hope that I am wrong. I also don't see Nova winning against Virginia on the road but again I hope that I am wrong. Seton Hall has a really big opportunity against Wichita State at home. I am interested to see if their young guns can get it done. If they do, that could be a big confidence boost for that young team this season.

If the 3s are falling for Villanova, they have a chance against Virginia. The Hoos haven't been quite the defensive stalwart that they were the last 2 seasons yet.

[Xville]

If the 3s are falling for Villanova, they have a chance against Virginia. The Hoos haven't been quite the defensive stalwart that they were the last 2 seasons yet.

They are top 10 in defensive efficiency.

[paulxu]

Somebody want to wake up Georgetown and let them know they're playing at home?

[bobbiemcgee]

https://usatsneakhype.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/monmouth-university-bench-2.gif?w=640&h=360

Monmouth doing what they do:

5/6 on 3 pters

7/7 ft's

[Xville]

Somebody want to wake up Georgetown and let them know they're playing at home?

This is the kind of stuff that happens when you have a crap coach. Fully expect another flameout in the tourney from them this year.

[GoMuskies]

I find it hard to root against Monmouth.

[Lloyd Braun]

This is the kind of stuff that happens when you have a crap coach. Fully expect another flameout in the tourney from them this year.

Which tourney?

[Xville]

Which tourney?

Good point

[bleedXblue]

G'town continues to disappointment. I know they finished 2nd in the league last year, but its been 8 years since they've done anything in the post season. With their history, location and league affiliation they should be ringing the bell much more often.

[waggy]

I hope it's exam week in G'town.

[bjf123]

Seems like a lot of empty seats at Georgetown.


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[Xville]

Jt3 isn't a good coach that's what it really comes down to. They weren't ready to play from the opening tip. I know that we are supposed to root for everyone in this league but there are two that in my opinion can eat a bag of dicks...gtown and butler. Throw Depaul in there too since they sucked every freaking year.

[X-Fan]

Jt3 isn't a good coach that's what it really comes down to. They weren't ready to play from the opening tip. I know that we are supposed to root for everyone in this league but there are two that in my opinion can eat a bag of dicks...gtown and butler. Throw Depaul in there too since they sucked every freaking year.
I know it's early, but I bet DSR is starting to regret coming back this year.

[Tardy Turtle]

http://herosports.herosports.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/Screen-Shot-2015-10-15-at-6.19.37-PM.png
Link from Deadspin (http://deadspin.com/this-is-one-of-the-most-savage-headlines-you-ll-ever-re-1736835470?trending_test_four_c&utm_expid=66866090-68.Fycr7CNTRMO9chDASrU7Hg.3&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F)

[muskiefan82]

I know it's early, but I bet DSR is starting to regret not coming to Xavier.

Fixed that for you

[GoMuskies]

The Sistine Chapel celebration tonight: aces

[Emp]

No disrespect to DSR, fine player......but.....Resolved: . This year, even up, we are a better team with Sumner than we would be with a senior DSR.

DISCUSS.

[waggy]

DSR is mediocre. Glad he didn't come to X.

[GoMuskies]

Can we trade DePaul for Fordham? Yeah, I think it's that bad.

[muskiefan82]

can we trade depaul for fordham? Yeah, i think it's that bad.

truth.

[Lloyd Braun]

DSR is mediocre. Glad he didn't come to X.

He peaked 2 years ago and has regressed since. I don't watch more than 10-12 GT games/year but that's my "eye test" opinion. He is a great talent but the system he's in is mediocre, and it's clearly worn on (ruined?) him. There's a good chance his career arc would have been different at X.

[XUMIOH12]

He peaked 2 years ago and has regressed since. I don't watch more than 10-12 GT games/year but that's my "eye test" opinion. He is a great talent but the system he's in is mediocre, and it's clearly worn on (ruined?) him. There's a good chance his career arc would have been different at X.

I dont know if i would say he has regressed, but he kind of just leveled off and didnt get better. From what i see, he doesnt drive to the basket very often and does most of his scoring on jump shots.

[Lloyd Braun]

I dont know if i would say he has regressed, but he kind of just leveled off and didnt get better. From what i see, he doesnt drive to the basket very often and does most of his scoring on jump shots.

Soph year: 17.6ppg 44.5% shooting, 39.3% 3pt, 87.3 FT
Jr. year: 16.3, 42.1%, 38.7%, 86.1%
Sr year: 16.3, 43%, 32.9%, 77.3%

To your point the advanced stats show fewer 2pt shots and more 3pt shots each year since sophomore year as well.

[Masterofreality]

Soph year: 17.6ppg 44.5% shooting, 39.3% 3pt, 87.3 FT
Jr. year: 16.3, 42.1%, 38.7%, 86.1%
Sr year: 16.3, 43%, 32.9%, 77.3%

To your point the advanced stats show fewer 2pt shots and more 3pt shots each year since sophomore year as well.

I think it has to do with DSR's body. Look at how much better a player Tre Bluiett is this year after shedding weight and shredding the weights. Just a better, more well-rounded player. DSR, if anything, has gotten more Dough-Boy like- less quick and has become more of a jump shooter.

He would have been sooooo much better at XU, but we may not have gotten Ed Sumner or Larry Austin then. It all works out.

By the way. I wonder if the Georgetown board has a thread about how players NEVER improve, but regress under JT3? You know, kind of like Mo Macafee, Gary Lumpkin, Will Caudle, Jeff Massey, Steve Gentry......ad nauseum :rolleyes:

[GoMuskies]

Jeff Massey didn't improve? He had a fantastic senior season.

[Masterofreality]

Jeff Massey didn't improve? He had a fantastic senior season.

You know, junior year.....old...old...old message board pap.

And you're right. Jeff was phenomenal his Senior year.

[GoMuskies]

Gotcha. His senior year was my freshman year.

[XUMIOH12]

Soph year: 17.6ppg 44.5% shooting, 39.3% 3pt, 87.3 FT
Jr. year: 16.3, 42.1%, 38.7%, 86.1%
Sr year: 16.3, 43%, 32.9%, 77.3%

To your point the advanced stats show fewer 2pt shots and more 3pt shots each year since sophomore year as well.

the difference in those per games and %s is minimal and probably a result of him taking more long shots and not driving to the basket. Either way, he definitely hasnt gotten better.

[XUMIOH12]

I think it has to do with DSR's body. Look at how much better a player Tre Bluiett is this year after shedding weight and shredding the weights. Just a better, more well-rounded player. DSR, if anything, has gotten more Dough-Boy like- less quick and has become more of a jump shooter.

He would have been sooooo much better at XU, but we may not have gotten Ed Sumner or Larry Austin then. It all works out.

By the way. I wonder if the Georgetown board has a thread about how players NEVER improve, but regress under JT3? You know, kind of like Mo Macafee, Gary Lumpkin, Will Caudle, Jeff Massey, Steve Gentry......ad nauseum :rolleyes:

i agree with the DSR comments, he hasnt improved his strength or athleticism and just doesnt have the size to get deep in to the lane for easy shots very often. He just settles for a lot of long jump shots. Coaching/development probably has a lot to do with it.

[bobbiemcgee]

bump

http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/schedule?group=14

[Masterofreality]

My Gawd. After beating Syracuse, St. John's is losing at Carneseca to Incarnate Word by 16 with 8 minutes to go.
Edit: The 0-4 Incarnate Word Cardinals.

C'mon, man!!!!

[GoMuskies]

St. John's hung in there and only lost by 22. We'll done Johnnies!

On a completely unrelated and random note, I watched Foxcatcher for the first time the other day. I had no idea that Villanova's Pavillion was named after John Dupont until he, you know, shot an Olympic gold medalist.

[GoMuskies]

Big East spreads today:

Xavier -18 vs. Auburn
Seton Hall +4.5 vs. Wichita State
Villanova +5.5 @ Virginia
DePaul +3.5 vs. Northwestern
Creighton +13.5 @ Oklahoma
Butler +4.5 vs. Purdue
Providence -15.5 vs. Rider

[bobbiemcgee]

4 games start @ Noon. Lot of wear and tear on the remote today.

[paulxu]

Seems strange to me that the BE would be the underdog in 5 of 7 games.

[Xville]

It's going to be a bloodbath for our conference today. I see 4 wins at most. Some of you really need to take the blinders off and realize this conference isn't that great...this is where stats and rankings can sometimes lie.

[GoMuskies]

I can't cheer against Wichita State, so I'm pleased with that start. Other than that, not good for the league today so far. It's early, though. One would Georgetown will at least get their heads far enough out of their asses to beat UNCA.

[paulxu]

Maybe they think they're playing UNC

[Xville]

Looks like nova will have another one of their typical lose against a good team games. Shoot way too many threes, don't rebound...I used to like Jay wright, but now I just think his system sucks

[bobbiemcgee]

BE stinking it up so far except X.

[Xville]

Come on Seton hall...you are our only hope. Can Jt3 be fired now?

[BMoreX]

Georgetown is so disappointing every single year

[Xville]

Georgetown is so disappointing every single year

Jt3 is the common denominator....unfortunately they are stuck with him because of his name. He 100% needs to go though

[Xville]

So Villanova crops down its leg like usual against good teams and Georgetown turns in a typical gtown performance under jt3. Come on hall!!!

[D-West & PO-Z]

Georgetown is so disappointing every single year

So crazy, their board has to be melting down.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Jt3 is the common denominator....unfortunately they are stuck with him because of his name. He 100% needs to go though

Probably only while his dad is alive. Sounds bad but it would probably be easier to part from him when Big John is gone.

[GoMuskies]

We own this two bit league.

[Xville]

Great job by the hall...could be ranked on monday. They are a really solid ballclub. Them and Marquette being good this year would be a big help.

[paulxu]

I don't want to disparage a conference mate...but, how do you get votes in both top 25 polls, and then lose to UNC Asheville at home?

[bobbiemcgee]

Buddy Hield is decent.

[xudash]

I don't want to disparage a conference mate...but, how do you get votes in both top 25 polls, and then lose to UNC Asheville at home?

I've always looked forward to being in a conference with Georgetown, but they're presently pissing me off.

[X-band '01]

Whoever loses to Georgetown in league play has bigger reason to be pissed off. In most years, wins over Wisconsin and Syracuse would be great. But this is not "most years", however.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Since the scorers table ad board was displaying an ad for Big East tourney tickets, I went ahead and bought some today. Merry Christmas to me.

[GoMuskies]

I'm going, but I'm hoping to avoid paying full price. There's no way they're filling up the arena, and I'm not paying for non-Xavier sessions.

[EastCoastXman]

Was at Pru Center today for SHU vs Wich St. Whitehead took a 35 footer with about 6 sec in regulation with game tied instead of driving to the basket. Fans fed up with his me attitude (That is why I love the 15-16 Muskies). Willard then put him on the bench 1 min into OT. Team took 5 point lead. Whitehead begging coaches to put him back in. Finally with a minute to go they put him back in. SHU a much better TEAM without Whitehead.

[bobbiemcgee]

Boilers going down?

[X-band '01]

Purdue not going down without a fight.

[Emp]

Butler win is great for the conference, good for our RPI. this league is loaded with ballers.

[GoMuskies]

The class of the Big East are two lowly A-10 programs. I love it.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Great job by the hall...could be ranked on monday. They are a really solid ballclub. Them and Marquette being good this year would be a big help.

They dont currently have a single vote in either poll. Good win, but I dont think they will be ranked come Monday.

[X-band '01]

NJIT is 9:37 away from their first ever win against the Big East. St. John's will be their 2nd signature win in their program's history.

[GoMuskies]

The can celebrate by throwing some craps on the Mohegan Sun casino floor.

Hmm, nevermind. This game is on campus. I read a tweet about playing at Mohegan Sun, and I thought it was about this game. Apparently not.

[GoMuskies]

It's over. The Johnnies continue to be the Fordham of the Big East this year (including an ugly loss to Fordham).

[X-band '01]

They play undefeated South Carolina at the Mohegan Sun later this week.

[Masterofreality]

Thank Gawd for The Hall and Butler yesterday. St. John's....horrific and JT3, What the actual hell are you doing?

[LadyMuskie]

Thank Gawd for The Hall and Butler yesterday. St. John's....horrific and JT3, What the actual hell are you doing?

If JTIII doesn't call up his father each and every day and say "thank you", he should start. If his last name weren't Thompson, no way he'd still be coaching at Georgetown. I'm not even sure what to call his tenure at Georgetown . . . mediocre, lackluster, meh.

[GoMuskies]

I think JTIII should heed the call to rescue his alma mater's basketball program from the wasteland it has become in the absence of Carril and Carmody.

[Juice]

If JTIII doesn't call up his father each and every day and say "thank you", he should start. If his last name weren't Thompson, no way he'd still be coaching at Georgetown. I'm not even sure what to call his tenure at Georgetown . . . mediocre, lackluster, meh.

I want him to stick around forever there because he's so shitty. It only benefits Xavier.

[Xavgrad08]

I don't see that many wins on the remaining St. John's schedule. Lavin left a flaming bag of poop on the front door and Mullin gets to clean it up. I am still baffled how they beat Syracuse.

[Masterofreality]

This is good stuff from the Washington Post from last week. Yes, it does predate last weekend, but they don't talk about GTown or St. John's anyway.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fancy-stats/wp/2015/12/14/big-12-big-east-are-deep-deadly-and-ready-to-dominate-college-basketball/

[THRILLHOUSE]

If JTIII doesn't call up his father each and every day and say "thank you", he should start. If his last name weren't Thompson, no way he'd still be coaching at Georgetown. I'm not even sure what to call his tenure at Georgetown . . . mediocre, lackluster, meh.

His tenure started out well enough with a S16 and Final 4 in his 2nd and 3rd year. So after the awful Esherick era, he was probably thought of as a savior at that point. But it's certainly been mediocre since then and if this team can't make the tourney with the talent they have, JT3 has to go. Remains to be seen if the administration will actually balls up and can him though.

[waggy]

I don't know their roster but I read a little of their board, and some posters were saying that recent recruiting classes have been good, so if they can hold on a couple years things should improve. I guess their classes that are upperclassmen now weren't that great. DSR being a semi-exception.

A coaching change can be a bad thing. Becasue of who he is JT3 is more closely associated with the Gtown brand. That's a good thing for the conference in my opinion.

[THRILLHOUSE]

I don't know their roster but I read a little of their board, and some posters were saying that recent recruiting classes have been good, so if they can hold on a couple years things should improve. I guess their classes that are upperclassmen now weren't that great. DSR being a semi-exception.

A coaching change can be a bad thing. Becasue of who he is JT3 is more closely associated with the Gtown brand. That's a good thing for the conference in my opinion.

Their freshman class was rated in the Top 25 for 2015, but a team with DSR, Copeland, Peak should not be losing buy games vs the likes of Radford and Asheville. With close games vs Maryland & Duke (and the win vs Cuse), seems like GTown gets up for the big games, but plays to the opponents level in the lesser games.

[D-West & PO-Z]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/insider/story/_/id/14411706/kentucky-wildcats-some-issues

Lots of BE in the 5 up/5 down today.

JT3 and Mullin in the 5 down.

Roosevelt Jones in the 5 up.

I didnt realize Dunham was 0-12 in that win over PurDont.

[Masterofreality]

Georgetown should NEVER lose to UNC Asheville- EVVVVVVVVVVVERRRRRR!

[GoMuskies]

Georgetown should NEVER lose to UNC Asheville- EVVVVVVVVVVVERRRRRR!

Hey, shit happens. We've lost to some bad teams over the years (Southern Utah, Wofford, Fordham, Duquesne, LaSalle, etc.). But there is absolutely, unequivocally ZERO excuse for them to lose to Radford, Monmouth and UNCA all in the same year. I get that Monmouth is good, but STILL!

[THRILLHOUSE]

And JT3 is the 10th highest paid coach in the sport. So that also can't be sitting well with the donors.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Marquette wins
Providence up 21 with 3mins left

[Masterofreality]

Just another Big East beat down of the A10. Derek Kellogg still sucks as a coach and the Friars win by 24.

Creighton wins too.

In other news The Big East is now a solid 3rd in RPI and Xavier and Villanova are 1-2 in the RPI rank.

[X-band '01]

That was also the first game Kris Dunn played since he missed a pair of games against Bryant and Rider due to illness.

[bobbiemcgee]

http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/schedule?group=14

[paulxu]

Having a pretty good day so far. Would love DePaul to beat ranked GW.
Johnnies got their hands full of Cocks.

[XMuskieFTW]

Depaul is really weird. Returned pretty much everyone contributing last year and didn't seem to improve much. And they're up 17 on GW? They make no sense.

[Masterofreality]

Depaul is really weird. Returned pretty much everyone contributing last year and didn't seem to improve much. And they're up 17 on GW? They make no sense.

Yes it does. Just another Big East beat down of an Atlantic 10 team. :biggrin:

[bobbiemcgee]

6-1 good night

[bobbiemcgee]

Yes it does. Just another Big East beat down of an Atlantic 10 team. :biggrin:

One might argue the worst BE team beat the best A-10 team.

[xukeith]

http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/schedule?group=14

easy 4 wins

[xukeith]

One might argue the worst BE team beat the best A-10 team.

no way. maybe on home court but not on neutral floor. SJU is worst this year.

[X-band '01]

Maybe, but St. John's doesn't have the culture of losing that DePaul does right now. They're so young that they won't know any better.

[XUFan09]

This St. John's team is all kinds of awful.

[bobbiemcgee]

http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/schedule?group=14

[D-West & PO-Z]

Marquette wins today

[xukeith]

Looks like 3 easy wins tonight BUT the SOS is going to take a huge hit. These teams stink! The best record is 4-6 and they are 320 in RPI against Villanova.

[XMuskieFTW]

I've watched this entire Nova game. Not impressed.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Butler wins
Nova wins
Creighton wins

[bobbiemcgee]

And so it begins..........

http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/schedule?group=14

[XU '11]

And so it begins..........

http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/schedule?group=14

Ugh. #12 Providence at #9 Butler gets bumped to CBSSports so Creighton-St. John's can air on FS1???

[X-Fan]

Ugh. #12 Providence at #9 Butler gets bumped to CBSSports so Creighton-St. John's can air on FS1???

Quite honestly, I really don't get the decisions FS1 makes a majority of the time.

[BMoreX]

These decisions are made before the season right?

[bobbiemcgee]

Looks like the Hall smoked @ Marquette by 20. Gonna be an interesting year.

[Xville]

Looks like the Hall smoked @ Marquette by 20. Gonna be an interesting year.

The hall is legit and they are only going to get better. All sophomores.

[Masterofreality]

The hall is legit and they are only going to get better. All sophomores.

There's your 5th Big East NCAA Tournament team. Now 31 in RPI, 11-2 with a win over Wichita State with Van Vleet.

Now, can we get Georgetown's ass in gear for #6?

[D-West & PO-Z]

There's your 5th Big East NCAA Tournament team. Now 31 in RPI, 11-2 with a win over Wichita State with Van Vleet.

Now, can we get Georgetown's ass in gear for #6?

Up 8 with 6 to go at Depaul

[D-West & PO-Z]

Up 8 with 6 to go at Depaul

GT won.

[X-band '01]

There's your 5th Big East NCAA Tournament team. Now 31 in RPI, 11-2 with a win over Wichita State with Van Vleet.

Now, can we get Georgetown's ass in gear for #6?

As long as Seton Hall doesn't implode with chemistry issues like they did last year, they'll be fine. Was it because of Sterling Gibbs or a me-first Isaiah Whitehead?

[bobbiemcgee]

http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/schedule?group=14

[xukeith]

26 points 7 rebounds 4 assists for Dunn.
He might carve us up but we can beat Prov. with all other weapons. He is good!

[X-man]

Providence is good enough that they don't need help from the officials. But they are getting serious help from the zebras today against St Johns.

[-->X<--]

26 points 7 rebounds 4 assists for Dunn.
He might carve us up but we can beat Prov. with all other weapons. He is good!

I know Providence is playing well right now, but I wish we were playing them in the next week or so, certainly at home. (Looking at the schedule, we face them 23 days from now on the road and a month and half from now at home.) I've seen Providence play a lot this year, and it's remarkable how much better they get each game. They're a team that seems to have a lot of chemistry.

Right now, I think we're the slightly better team, but as they get back to 100% (Fazekas) and bench players improve on their ability to contribute (Cartwright/Edwards), we could lose a bit of our depth advantage. Additionally, at the beginning of the year, Dunn rarely attempted at 3, and now he's hit 6 or 10 over the last 2 games. The STUD factor with him concerns me.

Of course, time will tell, and it's a long season, but I see Providence as a team that's ascending. They have my attention as much as Nova does.

[Emp]

Quite honestly, I really don't get the decisions FS1 makes a majority of the time.


These decisions are made before the season right?

Every league team gets prime time looks. This balances the "we get you on national TV" recruiting pitch, and theoretically will spread the exposure of local markets in prime time, which I'm sure the local FOX affiliates like for selling their little slice of ad time.

[Masterofreality]

Errrrrrrrrr, Marquette is up on Providence 22-10 with 8:30 to go in the first half.......at Providence....

#RespectYourOpponent

[xukeith]

Marquette's young big men look very talented.

[xu82]

Marquette up 28-21 with a minute left in first half vs Providence. Yikes!

At Providence!

[bobbiemcgee]

44 up

http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/gameTrax?gameId=201601050472

[X-band '01]

Errrrrrrrrr, Marquette is up on Providence 22-10 with 8:30 to go in the first half.......at Providence....

#RespectYourOpponent

We saw this movie at Cintas last year. Thankfully Marquette was not able to finish on that day.

[xu82]

Providence gets a free possession. Ball off leg...

[xu82]

Providence down 1 with 24 seconds left, and the ball.

[bobbiemcgee]

Butler 35 Depaul 34 Half

[xu82]

No "easy" games for us.

[bobbiemcgee]

Providence down 1 with 24 seconds left, and the ball.

Wonder who'll they give it to.

[paulxu]

Great basketball in this conference.

[xu82]

Marquette beats Providence.

Ends on 15-6 run.

[XUFan09]

What was that last possession?

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[xu82]

What was that last possession?

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Rec league?

[Xville]

Great win by marquette. Not sure if it's great for the conference at the moment, but oh well.

[XUFan09]

Rec league?
Ha, pretty much.

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[X-band '01]

How could you argue that it's bad? Marquette needed a win after a winless week to open their conference slate.

[xu82]

Great win by marquette. Not sure if it's great for the conference at the moment, but oh well.
Not sure, hurts us in a couple, and helps us in a couple.

[XUFan09]

I see Xville's point. Providence's loss makes the Big East appear less top-heavy while it increases the chance of another tourney bid.

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[Xville]

How could you argue that it's bad? Marquette needed a win after a winless week to open their conference slate.

Because right now it's a real stretch to say marquette is a tourney team. It's probably better for the providence, nova, xavier, Butler teams to only lose to each other. That keeps their seeds high, numbers high etc. I would rather have 4-5 teams in with great seeds, rather than 6-7 with mediocre seeds.

[XUFan09]

This DePaul-Butler game is why I picked DePaul as 8th in the conference and considered picking them 7th. They have talent that they just don't consistently put together.

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[XUFan09]

The two teams are shooting practically the same percentage, but DePaul is winning the rebound battle 28-14. The only reason this game is still a game is that DePaul has 5 more turnovers.

[xu82]

.

Is that a whisper to make us listen harder?

[XUFan09]

Is that a whisper to make us listen harder?
Lol

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[JEHARDI]

Without a doubt a bad loss for Providence, playing at home after cracking the Top10. They looked lethargic for most of the game and the execution on the final play was extremely poor.bad loss for them and the conference.

[xu82]

Without a doubt a bad loss for Providence, playing at home after cracking the Top10. They looked lethargic for most of the game and the execution on the final play was extremely poor.bad loss for them and the conference.

Bad loss for them, but is it a wash for BE? Either way, we played a horrible half agaisnt Wake, and glad Coach got them focused to come back. Love C Mack!

[MADXSTER]

Without a doubt a bad loss for Providence, playing at home after cracking the Top10. They looked lethargic for most of the game and the execution on the final play was extremely poor.bad loss for them and the conference.

Trap game

[bobbiemcgee]

Hoyas down 9 to Bluejays. This conference is nuts.

[xu82]

Hoyas down 9 to Bluejays. This conference is nuts.

True! So.....let's not freak when nuts happens to us. We are good.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Butler up 4 with ball at DePaul 1min 10sec left

[XUFan09]

Hoyas down 9 to Bluejays. This conference is nuts.
Frankly, Georgetown has been disappointing this year and Creighton has been decent while incorporating a bunch of new pieces. Creighton is actually only three spots behind Georgetown in KenPom, and I think they are a team somewhat on the rise.

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[D-West & PO-Z]

DePaul got a stop then had a horrendous offensive set and missed shot taking up tons of time.

[xu82]

DePaul got a stop then had a horrendous offensive set and missed shot taking up tons of time.

So, is it over?

[XUFan09]

DePaul got a stop then had a horrendous offensive set and missed shot taking up tons of time.
Yup, it was awful. It was worse than Providence's last set.

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[xu82]

Yup, it was awful. It was worse than Providence's last set.

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Umm, can that really be true? I'm glad I missed it.

[D-West & PO-Z]

So, is it over?

Yes Butler survives.

[XUFan09]

Thankfully. DePaul made their bed in the noncon, and now any team they beat not named SJU hurts the conference.

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[XUFan09]

That feature on Kris Dunn was the real deal.

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[GoMuskies]

If Butler had lost to DePaul, I think they would have started to become a bubble team.

[XUFan09]

If Butler had lost to DePaul, I think they would have started to become a bubble team.
I agree, though I think they would have come back from the bubble with a couple weeks' work. They were overrated at #9. Long-term, though, I believe they can maintain their standing as a ranked team if they can resolve their defensive issues.

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[BMoreX]

And Creighton beats Georgetown.

That was a game the Hoyas can't lose.

[XUFan09]

And Creighton beats Georgetown.

That was a game the Hoyas can't lose.

Frankly, that was a game Creighton can't lose either. Both have tournament hopes and really both have about the same chance of getting there.

[MADXSTER]

And Creighton beats Georgetown.

That was a game the Hoyas can't lose.

Things already getting crazy in the BE. Gotta love it!!

[GoMuskies]

both have about the same chance of getting there.

Could there be a bigger indictment of Georgetown than this? Geez.

[XUFan09]

Could there be a bigger indictment of Georgetown than this? Geez.
Yeah, they've been a huge disappointment when you consider what they return and what they lost after earning a 4 seed last year. They should have made a similar jump to Xavier.

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[Cheesehead]

If Wojo has any type of success I don't see him sticking w/ Marquette in the long haul, unfortunately. Although he is making very good money (more than Mack I believe) and they already gave him an extension. Plus they will be getting a new NBA arena thanks to the Bucks and taxpayers of Wisconsin.

[Masterofreality]

Could there be a bigger indictment of Georgetown than this? Geez.

Creighton played pretty well, but damn GTown! WTF is going on over there?

For all the "leadership hubris" that Georgetown showed when the Catholic 7 broke off, and kudos to them for their pushing for the break and their TV contacts, they are falling by the wayside. This makes 3 years of abjectly disappointing performances. They need to get it together quick - but just not in the 2 games against us. They are now 105 in the RPI.

[Xville]

Creighton played pretty well, but damn GTown! WTF is going on over there?

For all the "leadership hubris" that Georgetown showed when the Catholic 7 broke off, and kudos to them for their pushing for the break and their TV contacts, they are falling by the wayside. This makes 3 years of abjectly disappointing performances. They need to get it together quick - but just not in the 2 games against us. They are now 105 in the RPI.

JT3 needs to go. There is no reason for a team with that much talent to be where they are right now.

[MADXSTER]

Looking at their recruiting commits....

DSR 4 star
Stephen Domingo 4 star
Bradley Hayes 3 star
Reggie Cameron 4 star
Isaac Copeland 4 star
Paul White 4 star
LJ Peak 4 star
Tre Campbell 4 star
Trey Mourning 3 star
Jessie Govan 4 star
Marcus Derrickson 4 star
Kaleb Johnson 3 star

Georgetown's recruiting has always been top notch but they never go anywhere come March.

[Masterofreality]

Looking at their recruiting commits....

DSR 4 star
Stephen Domingo 4 star
Bradley Hayes 3 star
Reggie Cameron 4 star
Isaac Copeland 4 star
Paul White 4 star
LJ Peak 4 star
Tre Campbell 4 star
Trey Mourning 3 star
Jessie Govan 4 star
Marcus Derrickson 4 star
Kaleb Johnson 3 star

Georgetown's recruiting has always been top notch but they never go anywhere come March.

Coaching...or schlock recruiting rankings? Take your pick.

[LA Muskie]

JT3 needs to go. There is no reason for a team with that much talent to be where they are right now.
Georgetown's a bit of an enigma institutionally. For all the (historic) success the basketball program has had (mostly under THE JT), it's mostly and apathetic fanbase. That may be because of the type of people who go to Georgetown or the fact that their alum tend to spread out across the country/world after they graduate, but as a GTown grad school alum with a number of ties back to the school I just don't get the sense that anyone really cares enough to form a groundswell to oust JT3. That's not to say he won't get dumped (he very well may). But it's less likely to happen to him than it would be at comparable institutions/programs.

[Masterofreality]

Georgetown's a bit of an enigma institutionally. For all the (historic) success the basketball program has had (mostly under THE JT), it's mostly and apathetic fanbase. That may be because of the type of people who go to Georgetown or the fact that their alum tend to spread out across the country/world after they graduate, but as a GTown grad school alum with a number of ties back to the school I just don't get the sense that anyone really cares enough to form a groundswell to oust JT3. That's not to say he won't get dumped (he very well may). But it's less likely to happen to him than it would be at comparable institutions/programs.

Maybe that springs from the lousy record under Eshrick and they're afraid to trust the program to anyone other than a Thompson now. Other than 6 years with Eshrick, GTown has been led by a Thompson continually for 43 years since 1972.

[X-band '01]

Even Esherick was a longtime assistant for John Thompson Jr - their program in essence has been the same since 1972.

[Xville]

Nova not shooting well from the outside...come on seton hall!!!

[X-band '01]

They can't shoot 65% from the field every night, can they?

[Xville]

I've been saying it for a while now, the hall is legit. Can't tell me there are 25 teams better than them...no way.

[xu82]

Georgetown's a bit of an enigma institutionally. For all the (historic) success the basketball program has had (mostly under THE JT), it's mostly and apathetic fanbase. That may be because of the type of people who go to Georgetown or the fact that their alum tend to spread out across the country/world after they graduate, but as a GTown grad school alum with a number of ties back to the school I just don't get the sense that anyone really cares enough to form a groundswell to oust JT3. That's not to say he won't get dumped (he very well may). But it's less likely to happen to him than it would be at comparable institutions/programs.

This makes a lot of sense. Had dinner with close friends New Years Eve and the daughter is in grad school there. She's like our own daughter and our son stayed with her in Germany last summer while he was playing and she was an intern. Her family is heavily into basketball (grandfather an iconic area coach, the guys play even today, it's a true passion), but GT BBall is the last thing on her mind. She's more concerned about taking over the world, and she just might.

[Xville]

Well Seton hall gave it a good effort...Nova just too tough at home.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Well Seton hall gave it a good effort...Nova just too tough at home.

I would have definitely taken the 15 for Seton hall but that might not end up being enough.

[D-West & PO-Z]

covered

[bobbiemcgee]

http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/schedule?group=14

Maybe BU can knock off 'Nova.

[X-band '01]

DePaul is leading Georgetown early on, but they should be kicking the Hoyas' ass if only they could take advantage of the TOs they're forcing. Alas, they're DePaul.

[GoMuskies]

I can't believe Fox hired that piece of shit Ron Thompson as a color commentator.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Georgetown beats DePaul at home.
St. Johns up 8 at Marquette at the half
Creighton up 8 at Seton Hall at the half.

[Masterofreality]

Uh, oohhh??

Creighton is up 8 on Seton Hall at the half at Seton Hall.

The Pirates lost their last game too. Another mid year melt down in process?? Again???!!!

[GoMuskies]

At least they're melting down before playing us this year.

[X-band '01]

Losing to Villanova isn't a disappointment; losing at home to Creighton would sting a bit. Sounds familiar, doesn't it?

Marquette will be far worse off if they can't knock off the Johnnies at home.

[X-band '01]

Seton Hall is in deep trouble against the Bluejays now.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Marquette comes back and beats St. Johns.
Creighton pulls off the upset @Seton Hall

[X-band '01]

Bluejays are suddenly 3-1 in the Big East with 2 road wins. Only loss was at home to Villanova.

[xukeith]

#4 Virginia lost AT Georgia Tech (Gregory!).

I imagine Virginia will drop to 8th or 9th.

#13 Iowa St. is in a tough one against Baylor (losing by 4 with 7 minutes to play)

[xukeith]

Tough team. Creighton has what looks like the best big man in the BE. He is amazing.

[xukeith]

#4 Virginia lost AT Georgia Tech (Gregory!).

I imagine Virginia will drop to 8th or 9th.

#13 Iowa St. is in a tough one against Baylor (losing by 4 with 7 minutes to play)

In polls, so far this week, #9, #8, #7 and #4 have all lost.

[X-band '01]

Virginia lost on the road to both Va Tech and Georgia Tech. They will be punished in the polls.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Virginia lost on the road to both Va Tech and Georgia Tech. They will be punished in the polls.

Yeah they should drop out of top 10 for sure.

[bobbiemcgee]

Nova and Butler 7:30 FS1

[EastCoastXman]

Was at the SHU game yesterday vs Creighton. Combo of Whitehead, Desi and Angel Delgado played a total of 14 minutes. Whitehead 3 fouls in first. Angel toss a Creighton player to the floor on a foul shot following a 3 pt shot. Creighton scored 7 on that one possession and never looked back and Angel never left the bench. Lots of chemistry problems surfacing again with the Pirates. Derrick Gordon has called for a "players only" meeting. Very low turnout by season ticketholders for the game and no students in attendance. Fans now clamoring for Willard to go. He is now officially on the hot seat with that performance yesterday. There next 3 games are at Providence, home Nova and at X. Repeat of the last few years.

[GIMMFD]

Nova and Butler 7:30 FS1

I see Nova winning by 10 or so.

[bleedXblue]

I see Nova winning by 10 or so.

Its almost a must win for Butler if they have any hopes of competing for the Big East

Ill take Butler in a close one

[GoMuskies]

I like Butler +4

[bobbiemcgee]

Had a little trouble with the clock....priceless.

[bobbiemcgee]

Nice run by Nova. 40-34 but brunson and ocefu 4 fouls

[Masterofreality]

Mouthbreather Dunham must have gotten that haircut at the local Barber College.....by a first week student.

[xeus]

Butler cuts it to 5, 2:30 to go.

[BMoreX]

Seth Greenberg just tweeted this-

Nova Butler playing so hard! Not great teams but this is a great game! @ESPNCBB

[D-West & PO-Z]

Seth Greenberg just tweeted this-

Nova Butler playing so hard! Not great teams but this is a great game! @ESPNCBB

Greenberg is the worst.

[D-West & PO-Z]

wow Btuler with a great look at an open 3 to tie missed.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Ochefu with 2 big FTs.

Nova escapes.

[Masterofreality]

I guess we're just gonna have to beat 'Nova ourselves.

[muskienick]

I guess we're just gonna have to beat 'Nova ourselves.

We will, MOR. And the Nova deficit will be great if Ed is at full throttle!

[GIMMFD]

We can take Nova, I doubt they have another lights out shooting performance against us, not to mention I'm sure the guys want some revenge in Cintas after that debacle earlier.

[MADXSTER]

Creighton and Providence should be a good game but after 5 minutes of play only 3 points have been scored. TOTAL

[MADXSTER]

3-2 with 13:43 to play in the first half

[xukeith]

#8 MIAMI (FL) loses today.

Hope X wins at a very tough Marquette. If so will be 7th or 6th.

[D-West & PO-Z]

#8 MIAMI (FL) loses today.

Hope X wins at a very tough Marquette. If so will be 7th or 6th.

? We are 7th now.

[Emp]

If Creighton wins ugly, could be ranked. . Both team look like the game is being played too fast. Bricks galore.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Dunn with game winner at the buzzer.

[MADXSTER]

Only at Creighton (The homer dome) do refs have to review the last shot. It left Dunn's hands with 2 seconds on the shot clock and went through the hoop as the buzzer sounded. Not even absurdly close.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Only at Creighton (The homer dome) do refs have to review the last shot. It left Dunn's hands with 2 seconds on the shot clock and went through the hoop as the buzzer sounded. Not even absurdly close.

I think they were reviewing if any time should have been left on the clock.

[Emp]

Dunn has a "bad" game and gets a soft shot to bounce around and in. Stud. Hot ticket when Frisrs come to Cintas last time.

[MADXSTER]

I think they were reviewing if any time should have been left on the clock.

That makes more sense but it was obvious that the ball was going through the hoop as the buzzer went off. It didn't rip through the net, it slowly dropped through. Playing at Creighton is worse than playing at Butler IMO.

[Masterofreality]

I have all the respect in the world for Providence's toughness and Ed Cooley....despite them crapping the bed in the NCAA last year, against, you know who.

Those guys are junk yard dogs.

[X-band '01]

It makes up for the sting of losing at home to Marquette; I still think they're protected seed good this year. Too bad they can't play at Providence, though.

[bobbiemcgee]

http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/schedule?group=14

[Xville]

Really like Ellenson's game....he's going to be a good test for reynolds and farr.

[Masterofreality]

Really cheap tech against Marquette after hitting a three and somehow Marquette has the halftime lead.