XAVIER vs MIAMI(OH)

[MADXSTER]

1782 vs 1783

Friday November 13, 2015 7:00 p.m. EST at Cintas
Television: Direct TV Fox College 608, Uverse Fox Atlantic 647, Time Warner 319,320 or 321
Radio: 55 WKRC and WMOH 1540

[xu82]

OK, now it feels real!

[sirthought]

Not that I've been paying attention, but do the Redhawks improve this year at all?
I'm considering going to this game, but they've really looked bad the past couple years.
Hopefully, it's a good competitive game for the Muskies!

[xubrew]

What about Northwood?? They're ranked much higher than Miami. Granted, they're NAIA, but still. They're probably actually better than Miami.

[xu82]

Not that I've been paying attention, but do the Redhawks improve this year at all?
I'm considering going to this game, but they've really looked bad the past couple years.
Hopefully, it's a good competitive game for the Muskies!

If I don't come up very early this year, I have to wait until very late in the season due to conflicts. I'd love a really competitive game, but t's so much more fun when we win! At Auburn last year with an Auburn fan was..... unpleasant. As much as I'd like to make the revenge game over Auburn, it just might be the Redhawks.

[XUMIOH12]

I'd rather not have a competitive game at home against Miami

[Joel]

Not that I've been paying attention, but do the Redhawks improve this year at all?

http://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2015/10/13/9515415/know-your-non-conference-opponent-miami-oh

There's a detailed look at Miami there, but the long and short of it is that Xavier should handle them fairly easily. They're bringing back everyone but their second-leading scorer and they've brought in a JuCo shooter and an Auburn transfer, but I don't see them as a team that's going to be getting a lot of press in February and March.

[BlueX]

Everyone should be prepared to order Fox college for the day as I can't imagine many have that channel.

[X-band '01]

It's part of the Sports Pack on Time Warner - locally it's either going to be 319, 320 or 321.

Radio should be 55KRC (because of the Bearcats on 700 WLW) with Joe and Byron; there's also the Miami broadcast on 1540 WMOH.

[SC in DC]

Uverse has 3 Fox college stations, Atlantic, Central and Pacific--so it better be one of those!

[waggy]

Uverse has 3 Fox college stations, Atlantic, Central and Pacific--so it better be one of those!


Not positive, but I think College is a different channel.

[MADXSTER]

What website list the TV games? If I remember right, you input the school name and the stations pop up or something like that.

[xu82]

Anyone have a DirecTV channel number?

[XUOHTX]

Maybe this is correct? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_College_Sports

[MADXSTER]

Ron Harper was the first Big guy that I saw bring the ball up the court on a fast break. He looked like a man playing with boys and I remember thinking, this guy is next level material. He was the first guy that made me instantly think he was that good.

[muskiefan82]

Ron Harper was the first Big guy that I saw bring the ball up the court on a fast break. He looked like a man playing with boys and I remember thinking, this guy is next level material. He was the first guy that made me instantly think he was that good.

He was amazing. He could do anything on the court. Truly one of the best players that has ever played for Miami (or in college really) Dude was amazing. The story about how he ended up at Miami is a great one too.

[D-West & PO-Z]

He was amazing. He could do anything on the court. Truly one of the best players that has ever played for Miami (or in college really) Dude was amazing. The story about how he ended up at Miami is a great one too.

Didnt he not get into UD or something? Or didnt have the grades?

[MADXSTER]

Yes. As it turned out he had dislexia and once diagnosed he did fine in school. Miami ended up being a blessing for him. A lot of other schools would have just pushed him through.

[muskiefan82]

Mr. Harper had a speech impedimentand Miami had an excellent speech therapy program that would work with him while he was there. Worked for him and the school.

[Always Learning]

Uverse has 3 Fox college stations, Atlantic, Central and Pacific--so it better be one of those!
The game is on Fox Atlantic.

[brownlavender]

Me and Ron studied under the same speed pathologist. Dr mallott was one of the best stuttering pathologists in the nation.

[XU3232]

So I'm assuming this game is not on DirecTV? Channels 608-1 and 608-2 are showing nothing but TBA all week and East Central is supposed to be playing Oklahoma St on the same channel tonight at 8pm and that game is nowhere to be found.

[Muskie1000]

Loveland Middle School will be in attendance and they are going to let the kids on the court after the game.

[MADXSTER]

Updated with some TV listings

[Masterofreality]

Uverse has 3 Fox college stations, Atlantic, Central and Pacific--so it better be one of those!


The game is on Fox Atlantic.

That would be Channel 647 in your Uverse Guide. No HD though. :-(

[Muskeagle]

Any recommended online streaming sites? (I know these have been posted before and I'm always appreciative of whomever posts it). Thanks!

[Muskie]

Not that I've been paying attention, but do the Redhawks improve this year at all?
I'm considering going to this game, but they've really looked bad the past couple years.
Hopefully, it's a good competitive game for the Muskies!

http://www.xavierhoops.com/showthread.php?30271-Meet-the-Miami-Redhawks-(Nov-13-Opponent)

[XU-PA]

I'm in bizzaro world with DirecTV. The guide says it'll be on channel 608, but customer service says they don't offer that channel.
The channel is listed, the game is listed, but customer service and now tech support says they don't see that channel on any lineup. So I've now taken their suggestion and ordered the sports pack. We'll see what happens

[MADXSTER]

This time tomorrow we will be discussing the game :yahoo:

[X-ROX]

Anyone have a clue if game will be on any stations in Knoxville ?

[THRILLHOUSE]

That would be Channel 647 in your Uverse Guide. No HD though. :-(

And you'll need to either have The Sports Package or be in the U450 tier. Looks like first month of Sports Package is free, so I'll add that on tonight and cancel in a month.

[Michigan Muskie]

I am a DirecTV subscriber with Sports Pack. Channel 608 shows up in my guide, but the listings are in dim gray instead of bold white, indicating that I do not have access to that channel. I entered a quick live chat session with a DTV agent and he was of no help. Channel 608 doesn't even show up on the channel listing for Sports Pack. So my guide shows the game, but at this point I don't know that I'm going to be able to tune in. Rat farts.

[ChicagoX]

If you live in Chicago, have Comcast as your cable provider, and subscribe to the sports entertainment package, the game will be airing on channel 413. It's not in HD, but it's better than nothing.

[KC4X]

It's on channel 319 on Time Warner. I think you need the sports pack.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I am a DirecTV subscriber with Sports Pack. Channel 608 shows up in my guide, but the listings are in dim gray instead of bold white, indicating that I do not have access to that channel. I entered a quick live chat session with a DTV agent and he was of no help. Channel 608 doesn't even show up on the channel listing for Sports Pack. So my guide shows the game, but at this point I don't know that I'm going to be able to tune in. Rat farts.

I am in the same boat but the next two channels up 608-1 and -2 are not in gray my guess is the game may be on one of those come game time? But my other thought is that when I click on the gray 608 it allows me to go to the channel but it is bland with just DirecTV on the channel but usually if you do not have a channel it pops up to say you dont have it and need to purchase it. It does not do that.

Basically I am nervous but think if you have Sports Pack on DTV it will end up being on one of those channels and we will be able to see it.

[paulxu]

I think the Fox Sports regional is showing Seton Hall down here.
But I saw this for some Cincy people.

Xavier Basketball ‏@XavierMBB · 1h1 hour ago
Cincinnati Bell Fioptics users: Tonight's game WILL be on Fioptics channel 220 @ 7:00 PM.

[XU3232]

I am in the same boat but the next two channels up 608-1 and -2 are not in gray my guess is the game may be on one of those come game time? But my other thought is that when I click on the gray 608 it allows me to go to the channel but it is bland with just DirecTV on the channel but usually if you do not have a channel it pops up to say you dont have it and need to purchase it. It does not do that.

Basically I am nervous but think if you have Sports Pack on DTV it will end up being on one of those channels and we will be able to see it.

I called DirecTV and had them add the sports package just so I could watch this game. They said it was like $13 a month and they would take $5 off. So I'm going to cancel in a month but the game is definitely on 608... I don't think it will be on 608-1 or 608-2.

There was a volleyball game on channel 608 the other night when I had them add this channel and it worked when I checked.

[XMuskieFTW]

I am in the same boat but the next two channels up 608-1 and -2 are not in gray my guess is the game may be on one of those come game time? But my other thought is that when I click on the gray 608 it allows me to go to the channel but it is bland with just DirecTV on the channel but usually if you do not have a channel it pops up to say you dont have it and need to purchase it. It does not do that.

Basically I am nervous but think if you have Sports Pack on DTV it will end up being on one of those channels and we will be able to see it.

I've been nervous about this too, but Xavier has been reporting it being on 608, so you have to figure they know what's up. Hoping for the best.

[xukeith]

DISH!???????? I see it in my guide but not sure if it will be broadcast.

[XMuskieFTW]

Over/Under 50 fouls tonight?

[SkyWalker]

Over/Under 50 fouls tonight?

Under.

[Michigan Muskie]

I am in the same boat but the next two channels up 608-1 and -2 are not in gray my guess is the game may be on one of those come game time? But my other thought is that when I click on the gray 608 it allows me to go to the channel but it is bland with just DirecTV on the channel but usually if you do not have a channel it pops up to say you dont have it and need to purchase it. It does not do that.

Basically I am nervous but think if you have Sports Pack on DTV it will end up being on one of those channels and we will be able to see it.

I hope you're right. I don't think we'll know for sure until the ball goes up. If only I were just 275 miles souther.

[MADXSTER]

I hope you're right. I don't think we'll know for sure until the ball goes up. If only I were just 275 miles souther.

LOL, Is that a word???

[Michigan Muskie]

LOL, Is that a word???

It is now.

[ford]

I hope you're right. I don't think we'll know for sure until the ball goes up. If only I were just 275 miles souther.

I talked to DTV last night to get the sports pack and they assured me I would get 608 even though its not listed in the regular Channel guide.

[xufan02]

It has been updated, we are in business.

[Jesuit4Life]

Since there's some confusion, FOX College Sports is 3 channels with FCS Atlantic being the only one showing our game.

Channel finder: http://fcs.channelfinder.net/start.asp
https://twitter.com/CoachChrisMack/status/665169584790642689

[waggy]

Please do NOT quote this post . Thanks.


Reps!

[GIMMFD]

You did the one thing he said not to do...

[waggy]

I'm excited.

[X-band '01]

Live Chat (http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=XavierHoops)

Not sure if we're using the same chat room as last year, but here's a link for tonight. (NOTE) You may be asked to verify you're not a bot by the chat software.

[XMuskieFTW]

Just want to make sure it's just me but anyone else getting just a direct tv logo on the channel now? I'm assuming it will switch on at 7

[Michigan Muskie]

Just want to make sure it's just me but anyone else getting just a direct tv logo on the channel now? I'm assuming it will switch on at 7

That's all we see.

[paulxu]

Zip 'em Up!

[xu82]

Just want to make sure it's just me but anyone else getting just a direct tv logo on the channel now? I'm assuming it will switch on at 7

It will probably come around. What DTV channel is it? I've got it on Uverse, but I don't trust them.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I have the sports pack for DTV and it is telling me I dont have that channel now! WTF?

[XMuskieFTW]

I have the sports pack for DTV and it is telling me I dont have that channel now! WTF?

I came to Buffalo Wild Wings for the game and they don't have it. So yeaaaaaaa.

[BlueGuy]

Is anyone able to find it in HD? Standard def is really hard to watch.

[BlueGuy]

I have the sports pack for DTV and it is telling me I dont have that channel now! WTF?

I also have the sports pack, and it's on 608. It was just a DTV logo till just a few mins ago.

[BlueGuy]

Lower bowl looks to be about 70% full on TV. Where is everyone?

[D-West & PO-Z]

I also have the sports pack, and it's on 608. It was just a DTV logo till just a few mins ago.

Ugh on phone with them now the woman cant find it her direct quote:

"I'm going to put you on hold, I need to find someone who watches more sports than I do."

Seriously?

[BMoreX]

That was a horrible charge call

[paulxu]

Joe and Byron are not very happy with the officiating.

[bjf123]

Lower bowl looks to be about 70% full on TV. Where is everyone?

Traffic was a bear. Our usual 30 minute drive took just under an hour.


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[D-West & PO-Z]

Ugh on phone with them now the woman cant find it her direct quote:

"I'm going to put you on hold, I need to find someone who watches more sports than I do."

Seriously?

Ok I am in, I have 1million sports channels but apparently I didnt have sports pack, I added it and my bill went down $10 due to other deals available to me, and I got upgraded for free from my regular sunday ticket to sunday ticket max. Pretty productive phone call but a little bugged they dont tell you when you have deals available.

PS SD TV is unwatchable, WTF.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I had ZERO idea that players get 6 fouls now. Was this common knowledge? When did they sneak that in or did I just miss that???

[D-West & PO-Z]

The color analyst is horrible. Who is he?

[XU-PA]

I had ZERO idea that players get 6 fouls now. Was this common knowledge? When did they sneak that in or did I just miss that???

Did he just make that up??? Of all the changes I have never heard that

[waggy]

Dickey Simpson

[Jesuit4Life]

This game is a foul fest.

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[BMoreX]

This is brutal to watch.

[brownlavender]

I think all of college basketball might be hard to watch this season. These new rules are rough. I hate the nba and they are trying to turn college into the nba and it's just about as much fun as watching a car accident

[X-band '01]

That's not true at all. 5 fouls is still the limit.

They will use the 6-foul limit on an experimental basis for the NIT this year (like the 30-second shot clock last year).

[XfansinKy]

I was hoping Farr would have come along. He's about like he's always been. Maybe he's just having a rough start.

[bjf123]

5 fouls is fine. That's one every 8 minutes, the same as the NBA where you get 6 for a 48 minute game.


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[Muncie]

I agree all these fouls that are really touch fouls ruin the game to watch and it has to been very frustrating for the players. In a word it's just ....stupid.

[xuwin]

I don't like all the fouls either but with Xavier's bench it will be to their advantage in most games.

[D-West & PO-Z]

That's not true at all. 5 fouls is still the limit.

They will use the 6-foul limit on an experimental basis for the NIT this year (like the 30-second shot clock last year).

Ha, I was like WTF? He is worse than I thought, he completely made that up.

[waggy]

Whoa, if Sumner can hit 3's like that....

[SemajParlor]

Oh boy, we may have someone special in Sumner.

[D-West & PO-Z]

The announcer just said again it is 6 fouls not 5 this year to foul out. Is he high or did we all miss this?

[XU-PA]

Does fox have no producer to tell these announcers they are wrong about the 6 fouls?

[XU-PA]

The announcer just said again it is 6 fouls not 5 this year to foul out. Is he high or did we all miss this?

I'll go with,, they are high

[xudash]

We need to step on their necks. I think someone said that once.

[BMoreX]

7 mins without a point...

[XMuskieFTW]

Pretty rough right now

[BMoreX]

Ugh.

[XMuskieFTW]

The constant fouls are not helping my frustration.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I am on gamecast what is going on? Sucks I can't watch this but maybe that's a good thing.

[Muskie]

So I can watch the Women's Game tomorrow on my television package, but not this one.


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[XMuskieFTW]

They started pressing and we haven't been great out of it. Defense a bit lackluster right now. But mainly no flow on offense.

[Muskie1000]

There are bad announcers...there are worse announcers...below that there is Billy Packer...and then somewhere way, way below Billy Packer are these two guys...I'm wishing I could unhear this crap!

[D-West & PO-Z]

There are bad announcers...there are worse announcers...below that there is Billy Packer...and then somewhere way, way below Billy Packer are these two guys...I'm wishing I could unhear this crap!

Truth

[paulxu]

I sure hope we can play better than this.
Come on Muskies.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Senior PGs break presses. Come on guys, best defense wins the last 5 mins.

[paulxu]

There are bad announcers...there are worse announcers...below that there is Billy Packer...and then somewhere way, way below Billy Packer are these two guys...I'm wishing I could unhear this crap!

Mute the sound and listen to WKRC, although it may be about 5 seconds behind.

[Muskie]

Joe and Byron sound wonderful


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[xu82]

1-3-1 not saved for later in the year.

[xudash]

Nice answer back to get it back to an eight point lead under four.

[xudash]

What a smart timeout. What are the odds of us scoring off a designed play out of this timeout?

[Emp]

Jalen is a man. All season, please!

Missed the T, what?

[X-band '01]

Something about a contact T. Either that or he called one of the Miami players a scruffy-looking nerf herder. I'd like to think it was the latter.

[X-band '01]

Sorry, Dickey. If the PA says McKnight committed his 5th and final foul, he cannot commit 6.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Something about a contact T. Either that or he called one of the Miami players a scruffy-looking nerf herder. I'd like to think it was the latter.

I think it was mistakenly given to Jalen. I thought it was the player who got the rebound and his leg hit guy in crotch. Think it was Sumner?

[D-West & PO-Z]

Love that Miami player fouling out with 5 fouls and the announcers just casually ignoring that after saying all game its 6 to foul out now. LOL

[D-West & PO-Z]

Another player fouling out with 5 fouls, interesting! HA, announcers still ignoring that.

[xu82]

High praise for the arena is nice.

[X-band '01]

and they STILL think you get 6 fouls?

[ArizonaXUGrad]

What? Full court 3?

[xu82]

JP is a nice guy to have on the roster.

[Xville]

That was an ehhhh game. A lot of good, some bad. I don't think that game really told us much...though the announcers feel otherwise, I don't think Miami ohio is very good. A win is a win...we will know a lot about this team quickly over the next couple of weeks

[XfansinKy]

Not a great game but were loaded. To get to the Final 4 you usually gotta have 3 NBA prospects. Reynolds, Sumner n Trevon. You've also, like Cal said, gotta have that guy that's bigger, stronger, faster, higher jumper with a mean streak..The beast he called it. . Jalen Reynolds fits that perfectly.

[XMuskieFTW]

Lots to work on but good win. 52 fouls so whoever picked over 50 won. Going to need better defensively to have a chance at Michigan next week.

[XU Cowbell Kid]

Something about a contact T. Either that or he called one of the Miami players a scruffy-looking nerf herder. I'd like to think it was the latter.

I just barely caught where they called the T. You could only see it in live action, not in any of the replays. Jalen went over to help (I forget who it was) off the ground when he fell out of bounds. As he walked over, he bumped into the Miami guy that was still standing over him.

The Miami guy had hurt his ankle and was hobbling, so when he got a light bump from Jalen, he moved quite a bit. Not a flop, but definitely more motion than you would normally get from a small bump like that. It was not worthy of a T in any way, but I'm guessing the big reaction was what sold it.

[XU3232]

Can't believe it was that close of a game. I really like this team offensively.. Defense needs to tighten up ASAP.

[Wheelhouse]

Guys, I don't want to exaggerate but I'm pretty sure Edmund Sumner is the best point guard in the country.

[xavierj]

Xavier is loaded. Myles wasnt his best but will have a big year. Won't always be pretty early on but this could be the best Xavier team ever. They have two of everything and the PG, Sumner is a pro. Team come March will be a freight train. Until January it will be like preseason so they may lose a few but they have some talent. I think Chris knows that too.

[XUMIOH12]

Not a great game but were loaded. To get to the Final 4 you usually gotta have 3 NBA prospects. Reynolds, Sumner n Trevon. You've also, like Cal said, gotta have that guy that's bigger, stronger, faster, higher jumper with a mean streak..The beast he called it. . Jalen Reynolds fits that perfectly.

Easy there buddy.

[XUMIOH12]

Xavier is loaded. Myles wasnt his best but will have a big year. Won't always be pretty early on but this could be the best Xavier team ever. They have two of everything and the PG, Sumner is a pro. Team come March will be a freight train. Until January it will be like preseason so they may lose a few but they have some talent. I think Chris knows that too.

Easy there buddy

[X-Fan]

My takes from the game:
Sumner...WOW! Silky smooth at times. Only negative was he dribbles too much to get the offense going.
Gates looked nervous & his shots were off because of it.
JP & Tre look good.
Team is going to get pressed this year until the guards make the Opp pay.
Quiet games from Myles, Larry, Farr, and Sean.
D wasn't great, but to Miami's credit they were hitting shots in the 1st half. Most troubling was the easy looks at the rim given up in the 2nd half. Gotta get that figured out asap.

All in all, not too bad for an opening game all things considered.

[XfansinKy]

I was watching UK n Xavier simultaneously. They didn't look much better. It was X's first game n they played bad, Miami shot lights out and still couldn't take control of the game. X just had too much talent. When we lose some games or go out early in the tourney, it will suck n I won't be on the hate Mack bandwagon. These kids could though, be really, really, good. Like a lot of you guys, I've played through high school, college, and and a long time after til I got old and it's not rocket science to see when a college team has big time talent. We do. We just do.

[Xville]

Not a great game but were loaded. To get to the Final 4 you usually gotta have 3 NBA prospects. Reynolds, Sumner n Trevon. You've also, like Cal said, gotta have that guy that's bigger, stronger, faster, higher jumper with a mean streak..The beast he called it. . Jalen Reynolds fits that perfectly.

I love xavier too but slow down. Trevon is not an nba prospect and he won't ever be one. He's a heck of a college player, but he is a dime a dozen. If he was 6'8 with the game he has sure, but he's 6'5 what position does he play in the nba?

I love tre but come on. Reynolds may get there but he needs to figure out how to shoot outside of three feet. Now sumner is a legit prospect..mainly because he is 6'6, athletic, and could play pg or SG in the pros.

[XfansinKy]

I love xavier too but slow down. Trevon is not an nba prospect and he won't ever be one. He's a heck of a college player, but he is a dime a dozen. If he was 6'8 with the game he has sure, but he's 6'5 what position does he play in the nba?

I love tre but come on. Reynolds may get there but he needs to figure out how to shoot outside of three feet. Now sumner is a legit prospect..mainly because he is 6'6, athletic, and could play pg or SG in the pros.

Ok I'll put the breaks on.(lol I still believe Tre will be a prospect if not a player)I don't second guess Mack on why certain players get more minutes than others cause I'm XfansinKy not Xfansatpractice. Anyways I thought Omara looked strong n promising last year especially considering he was a stud recruit n all state football player. With Farr seeming to look about like always, wonder why Omara doesn't get a few of those minutes? I love Farr's enthusiasm. His skill set though...ehh.

[MADXSTER]

Going to disagree on Reynolds not being able to shoot outside of three feet. He is actually a pretty good shooter. Nice stroke from three too. You just won't see it happen at Xavier. D West was similar that most of his points came from around the rim, but you wouldn't know that from watching him play in the NBA.

[XUFan09]

Ok I'll put the breaks on.(lol I still believe Tre will be a prospect if not a player)I don't second guess Mack on why certain players get more minutes than others cause I'm XfansinKy not Xfansatpractice. Anyways I thought Omara looked strong n promising last year especially considering he was a stud recruit n all state football player. With Farr seeming to look about like always, wonder why Omara doesn't get a few of those minutes? I love Farr's enthusiasm. His skill set though...ehh.
His skill set being rebounding among the best in the conference and good shot blocking? I get that he's not an offensively dynamic player, but those contributions are huge for team success.

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[XUFan09]

Going to disagree on Reynolds not being able to shoot outside of three feet. He is actually a pretty good shooter. Nice stroke from three too. You just won't see it happen at Xavier. D West was similar that most of his points came from around the rim, but you wouldn't know that from watching him play in the NBA.
Yep. I don't know how good of a 3-point shooter he is, but he's regularly shown that he has a good mid-range game.

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[Xville]

Going to disagree on Reynolds not being able to shoot outside of three feet. He is actually a pretty good shooter. Nice stroke from three too. You just won't see it happen at Xavier. D West was similar that most of his points came from around the rim, but you wouldn't know that from watching him play in the NBA.
I seem to remember west shooting a lot of 8 to 10 footers in college but maybe I'm misremembering.

[Masterofreality]

First chance to weigh in.

Our defense is not good- at least the man to man. We will, once again, be required to utilize the 1-3-1, and maybe other zone configurations. Some of the defensive issues may get better with experience, as in the case of Ed Sumner and Kaiser Gates, but I have to say that this group is just not a good man to man team. The new rules limiting contact doesn't help either.

Not worried about our offense. Sumner is a stud who can pretty much score however he wants- even making a 3. Gates struggled with his shot last night, but by all reports he is a sniper usually. We know what Myles, JP, Remy and Trevon bring to the court. Our front line is strong, with the exception that Jalen is not the passer that Stain was. He's going to get doubled a lot and he's gonna have to figure out how to handle it better.

Miami is much better this year, so the final margin doesn't bother me. We just have to keep getting better.

[xuwin]

I would like to see Trevon take it to the basket more and not settle for the three all the time. He has the inside game but doesn't seem to use it much.

[bleedXblue]

Folks its game 1. We didn't look great, but I thought there were some positives. Obviously with Sumner we have a gem and there are 5-6 guys on any given night that can lead this team in scoring. JP scored 17 and I hardly noticed. Not sure how many minutes he played, but he was really efficient. Defensively, we have some work to do....in short order with the schedule ahead. I like the 1-3-1 and wouldn't mind throwing in some zone a little. Man to man needs to some work....I'll take the W and move on.

[mohr5150]

I'll take the win, of course, but there is plenty for Coach Mack to use in practice for the foreseeable future.

Reynolds has to take care of the ball. 6 turnovers is totally unacceptable. If you factor in poor defense as well, his solid offensive night
was canceled out.
Sumner can score, but one assist for our point guard? Really?
I thought JP was the game-changer. When he was in there, the intensity on both ends of the court increased tenfold. I also thought Davis had moments of excellence on defense, especially at the beginning of the second half.
I was disappointed in Austin's performance as well as Farr's. We need them to shine on defense and bring leadership to the court. They did not do that last night.
This team will go as far as its defense goes. Their offense will continue to get better. All in all, I would give the team a B- for the first game.

[XfansinKy]

His skill set being rebounding among the best in the conference and good shot blocking? I get that he's not an offensively dynamic player, but those contributions are huge for team success.

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Yea he's averaged .2 freshman, .7 sophomore .8 blocks per game as a junior. Zero blocks last night. :chin: I don't consider that a shot blocker. Anyways, like I said I love his enthusiasm. I'm sure coach Mack has a good reason why Omara isn't playing a lot of minutes. When I was snowed in last year, I watched a lot of video of him in high school and he was making those jumpers from all over the court against big time prep teams.

[XfansinKy]

Good assessment. I love this year's team.

[vee4xu]

I thought overall X played a good opening game. Miami will always play X tough, so we knew that from the start. Also, it was good to see X come out of the locker room and start the second half very strong. The troubling thing was that 7 minute scoring drought. That's an issue that seems to dog all Xavier teams from time-to-time. Thought Mack did a great job adjusting to that 1-3-1 because Miami exploited X's man defense will dribble-drive penetration and kick outs or dishes for dunks. To me, the bright soot was Sumner. Though he had only one assist, he did a great job driving to the bucket and either scoring or getting fouled. It's very exciting to finally have a long, athletic point guard who can defend bigger guards on the perimeter. That's a must in the Big East. He will only get better with time and experience. Reynolds, well, he needs to chill and compose himself. He's been around long enough to know that he has to control his emotions. Take it out on the opposition during regular play, not after the whistle. All-in-all, a good opener.

[XUFan09]

Yea he's averaged .2 freshman, .7 sophomore .8 blocks per game as a junior. Zero blocks last night. :chin: I don't consider that a shot blocker. Anyways, like I said I love his enthusiasm. I'm sure coach Mack has a good reason why Omara isn't playing a lot of minutes. When I was snowed in last year, I watched a lot of video of him in high school and he was making those jumpers from all over the court against big time prep teams.
Block rate is a much better measure, and he's good in that category. Those per game averages are actually pretty good too, if you scale for starter minutes. And shot blocking is only his secondary positive attributes. His rebounding is really important to this team.

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[mistabeecee41]

I'll take Sumners scoring and 1 assist over LAJ doing nothing anyday. The kid didn't even look at the basket.

[bobbiemcgee]

Wow. JP looks a lot different this year. Could be a huge year for the kid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpBDUpXvGqs

[XU Cowbell Kid]

I'm sure coach Mack has a good reason why Omara isn't playing a lot of minutes.

This is a 100% guess, but I think it's just the fact that big men take longer to develop at the college level. O'Mara is definitely further along than Farr was as a sophomore, but I'm sure if they put him in for all of Farr's minutes, there would be some weaknesses that show up. Footwork, knowing where you are under the basket, etc.

[drudy23]

My thoughts:

1) Refs almost made it un-watchable. Zero flow for 40 minutes...brutal entertainment value.
2) We need more than Jalen...not going to survive without the emergence of a 2nd big man...and I'm not talking about Farr just coming out to shoot 3's
3) I said this last year...stop taking baby steps with JP Macura...the kid is ready. No way any freshman should be taking his minutes. He arguably could be starting. He has one of the highest basketball IQs out there as well.
4) Trevon needs to find JP's hunger
5) Sumner could be something special - but him at point guard just doesn't feel right. Athleticism and up-side are obvious, decision making suspect.
6) Currito is still open - that's a good thing.

[Backyard Champ]

I'll take Sumners scoring and 1 assist over LAJ doing nothing anyday. The kid didn't even look at the basket.

I agree I want Sumner all day, but I'm not sure they gave LAJ much of a chance last night. I recall in the second half LAJ was subbed in, and 7 seconds later was subbed out. Could be wrong, but I don't think LAJ was even close to the play for those seven seconds.

Personally, I thought Reynolds had a pretty solid start to the season. He HAS to get better when teams double him, other than that he played really good.

After game one, my biggest concern is the lack of energy for the game. While we had some good stretches, it seemed like they came out really lethargic and with no emotion. Im not sure what it is, it just appears that we don't play with that "killer instinct" type of attitude. When we had a scoring drought, it almost looked like a there was a here we go again attitude amongst the players and coaching staff. Now, you could say it was the amount of fouls called, and hopefully that had something to do with it, but the fact that this has been a lingering issue the past few years, I'm not sure you can point at the officials as he reason.

Hopefully I'm wrong, because this team has a lot of talent, and when they play "fired up" they are very tough to stop. We have a lot of offensive talent, which makes it even more difficult to understand the long drought, but leads me to believe that the games we do lose will be under 10 points.

[waggy]

Yeah I don't know how you can't start Macura. But if he ends up getting starter minutes maybe it doesn't matter.

Is Gates considered a big? Can he play in and out? He's a nice looking player if he can do both.

[atljar]

After game one, my biggest concern is the lack of energy for the game. While we had some good stretches, it seemed like they came out really lethargic and with no emotion. Im not sure what it is, it just appears that we don't play with that "killer instinct" type of attitude.s.

SWAG! And we havent had it since Tupac and Markie Mark. They play like a castrated dog for the last several seasons.

[XUFan09]

My thoughts:

1) Refs almost made it un-watchable. Zero flow for 40 minutes...brutal entertainment value.
2) We need more than Jalen...not going to survive without the emergence of a 2nd big man...and I'm not talking about Farr just coming out to shoot 3's
3) I said this last year...stop taking baby steps with JP Macura...the kid is ready. No way any freshman should be taking his minutes. He arguably could be starting. He has one of the highest basketball IQs out there as well.
4) Trevon needs to find JP's hunger
5) Sumner could be something special - but him at point guard just doesn't feel right. Athleticism and up-side are obvious, decision making suspect.
6) Currito is still open - that's a good thing.

1) It could be a brutal first half of the season.
2) If we play a lot of small-ball lineups like this one, that's not really going to be an issue. And if Farr comes in and out-rebounds everyone in the conference, I'm fine with that for a backup player.
3) He might have one of the highest offensive IQs on the team, but he might also have one of the lowest defense IQs. The team as a whole needs to get better at man-to-man, but when Macura comes in, they're basically forced to play 1-3-1, even if it's the not the appropriate defense for an opponent.
4) It's one game (I don't count exhibitions as more than just a step above Musketeer Madness scrimmage). We'll see how Bluiett's sophomore campaign develops.
5) Yeah, he seems like he's more of a combo guard and he'd be better off-the ball. With Remy graduating, there will soon be more minutes there.

[LadyMuskie]

SWAG! And we havent had it since Tupac and Markie Mark. They play like a castrated dog for the last several seasons.

Right?!?!?! I mean, just last season we didn't even make the dance much less the Sweet 16. Why couldn't we have played more like BYU?

Castrated dog! Great analogy! :shocked::facepalm::rolleyes:

[XUGRAD80]

After game one, my biggest concern is the lack of energy for the game. While we had some good stretches, it seemed like they came out really lethargic and with no emotion. Im not sure what it is, it just appears that we don't play with that "killer instinct" type of attitude...... it almost looked like a there was a here we go again attitude amongst the players and coaching staff........but the fact that this has been a lingering issue the past few years

Hopefully I'm wrong, because this team has a lot of talent, and when they play "fired up" they are very tough to stop.

When you make all the lineup changes that Mack did yesterday ( and probably will be doing for the next several games ), and mix that in with the loss of two very experienced players (Stain and Dee), and then ask new players to step right in, and ask returning players to take on new roles......this all leads to players playing tentative. What you see as a lack of emotion or "killer instinct", I see as players learning how to play with each other AND be in the positions that there coach wants them to be, at the time he wants them to be there. They are still "thinking" and not just "playing". When they get to the point where they just "play", they will be able to just bury teams like Miami. But that may take some time. Go back to early games in virtually any season and you will see the same thing. I didn't see any lack of effort or desire, only a lack of experience playing together in the lineups they were using.

[RealDeal]

Right?!?!?! I mean, just last season we didn't even make the dance much less the Sweet 16. Why couldn't we have played more like BYU?

Castrated dog! Great analogy! :shocked::facepalm::rolleyes:

Seriously, the last several years have been awful!

[XU Cowbell Kid]

3) He might have one of the highest offensive IQs on the team, but he might also have one of the lowest defense IQs. The team as a whole needs to get better at man-to-man, but when Macura comes in, they're basically forced to play 1-3-1, even if it's the not the appropriate defense for an opponent.


I actually don't believe Macura to be as big of a liability as people think. I think we play 1-3-1 with Macura because he is better at it than man-to-man, sure. But there were a couple times Xavier was in man-to-man with Macura out there and he stepped in and prevented easy buckets with help defense. I'm not saying he is a lock-down defender, but I don't think he is terrible either.

I also think the 1-3-1 was the most successful defense we used last night. And I think our man-to-man was better than our 2-3.

Note that this is just going off of my gut reaction from watching the game live. I have no stats to back it up. :sword:

[XUFan09]

I actually don't believe Macura to be as big of a liability as people think. I think we play 1-3-1 with Macura because he is better at it than man-to-man, sure. But there were a couple times Xavier was in man-to-man with Macura out there and he stepped in and prevented easy buckets with help defense. I'm not saying he is a lock-down defender, but I don't think he is terrible either.

I also think the 1-3-1 was the most successful defense we used last night. And I think our man-to-man was better than our 2-3.

Note that this is just going off of my gut reaction from watching the game live. I have no stats to back it up. :sword:
I don't think he's terrible this year at man-to-man like he was last season, but he's still pretty bad. His athleticism to a degree at least makes up for poor positioning and excessive gambling, though.

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[XfansinKy]

[QUOTE=XUGRAD80;518214]When you make all the lineup changes that Mack did yesterday ( and probably will be doing for the next several games ), and mix that in with the loss of two very experienced players (Stain and Dee), and then ask new players to step right in, and ask returning players to take on new roles......this all leads to players playing tentative. What you see as a lack of emotion or "killer instinct", I see as players learning how to play with each other AND be in the positions that there coach wants them to be, at the time he wants them to be there. They are still "thinking" and not just "playing". When they get to the point where they just "play", they will be able to just bury teams like Miami. But that may take some time. Go back to early games in virtually any season and you will see the same thing. I didn't see any lack of effort or desire, only a lack of experience playing together in the lineups they were using.[/QUOTE
Exactly. Tha talent is there. Jalen, J.P., Edmon, and Myles got plenty of swag or confidence or whatever kids call it nowadays.

[xudash]

When you make all the lineup changes that Mack did yesterday ( and probably will be doing for the next several games ), and mix that in with the loss of two very experienced players (Stain and Dee), and then ask new players to step right in, and ask returning players to take on new roles......this all leads to players playing tentative. What you see as a lack of emotion or "killer instinct", I see as players learning how to play with each other AND be in the positions that there coach wants them to be, at the time he wants them to be there. They are still "thinking" and not just "playing". When they get to the point where they just "play", they will be able to just bury teams like Miami. But that may take some time. Go back to early games in virtually any season and you will see the same thing. I didn't see any lack of effort or desire, only a lack of experience playing together in the lineups they were using.

Excellent observation.

Are any teams playing in midseason form at this point?

We took care of an old foe who wanted to make a statement in our place and who came in loaded with a bunch of seniors, albeit players who have not played together for all four years. I don't want to give Miami too much credit, but they did present a good challenge as a first game opponent.

I agree that our defense has to get better, but it has plenty of time left in the season to do that, doesn't it? And we're back to this business about this only being our first game.

[Backyard Champ]

Right?!?!?! I mean, just last season we didn't even make the dance much less the Sweet 16. Why couldn't we have played more like BYU?

Castrated dog! Great analogy! :shocked::facepalm::rolleyes:

A sweet 16 was probably the teams limit last year, but we had a fairly easy road to the sweet 16. Looking at the regular season, we certainly started slow in plenty of games, and had scoring droughts all year. Some of that can be attributed to college players being college players, but there still seemed to be a lack of fire, especially during droughts. Many games it just looked like the team just looked flat.


It's not easy to maintain a high level of intensity, and it's even more difficult doing so with so many lineup changes and all the fouls being called, I realize that. However, we can not afford to come out flat and have long scoring droughts. I wouldn't be concerned if it didn't seem to be a trend most of last year.

[Backyard Champ]

Excellent observation.

Are any teams playing in midseason form at this point?

We took care of an old foe who wanted to make a statement in our place and who came in loaded with a bunch of seniors, albeit players who have not played together for all four years. I don't want to give Miami too much credit, but they did present a good challenge as a first game opponent.

I agree that our defense has to get better, but it has plenty of time left in the season to do that, doesn't it? And we're back to this business about this only being our first game.


I agree, after all we could be in Georgetowns position. If this trend wasn't around last year, I wouldn't be concerned at all after that result. Heck, I still think we will have a great year, that was my only concern after game 1. Being mentally focused all game could be the difference between a lot of close losses and close wins.

[XUFan09]

A sweet 16 was probably the teams limit last year, but we had a fairly easy road to the sweet 16. Looking at the regular season, we certainly started slow in plenty of games, and had scoring droughts all year. Some of that can be attributed to college players being college players, but there still seemed to be a lack of fire, especially during droughts. Many games it just looked like the team just looked flat.


It's not easy to maintain a high level of intensity, and it's even more difficult doing so with so many lineup changes and all the fouls being called, I realize that. However, we can not afford to come out flat and have long scoring droughts. I wouldn't be concerned if it didn't seem to be a trend most of last year.
We really didn't have that serious of scoring droughts last season, relative to the college game. There's no way our offense would have been as efficient as it was statistically if scoring droughts were a big issue. Now, long periods without getting two stops in a row or even a single stop? Yes, definitely.

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[XU 87]

good things- we have a lot of guys who can score. Lots of guys who can shoot threes. Sumner is very good. More athletic than last year.

not so good things- defense was pretty bad at times. Larry Austin needs to do be more productive- no points, shots, assists or rebounds in 11 minutes. Jalen needs to quit getting absolutely stupid t's.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Just one game so I am not going to take a whole l from it, plus I couldnt really see on the SD channel, ha.

However, all I was hearing from everyone all off season was how our defense was going to be so much better because without Stain we were so much more athletic, etc. Well, at least after 1 game, so much for that. Obviously the defense should improve but interesting how much we struggled with man to man still.

I was also very concerned this off season with losing the passing ability of Stain from the post. I'm more concerned now. Jalen has to make good decisions with the ball in the post, I think it will get better but obviously he will never be Stain passing wise but he does things Stain couldnt.

I would never expect perfection or there not to be a lot of things to work on this early. I'm excited for the potential of this season.

[Musketeer_15]

I haven't read all 16 pages of this thread but how about zero minutes for London? I know Mack was saying the guy needs to work harder in practice if he wants to get playing time. That is very disappointing for a guy that sat out all of last year. Hopefully he can get it together quick, if so then he can really help stretch the floor for us on offense.

[Masterofreality]

I haven't read all 16 pages of this thread but how about zero minutes for London? I know Mack was saying the guy needs to work harder in practice if he wants to get playing time. That is very disappointing for a guy that sat out all of last year. Hopefully he can get it together quick, if so then he can really help stretch the floor for us on offense.

Right. The Great Q and I were talking about that on the phone today. Q was wondering (comically) if Makinde was still on the roster. There must be some serious "statements" being made by the Coaching staff right about now. Kaiser Gates got plenty of minutes, Makinde, not so much.

[BandAid]

First game of the year, so there's a whole lot for the team to work on.

Early Impressions:

Sumner definitely has the offensive gifts, but he needs to exercise them a bit more within the flow of the offense. Many of his points seemed to come from him doing it alone. Level of concern: 0/10

Jalen is a monster. He had 10 and 5 in the first ten minutes of the game. The stat pace slowed as he struggled to to handle double teams well. During the second half scoring drought he seemed to press a bit while trying to re-spark the offense resulting in an ill-conceived three attempt. Oh, and he had his obligatory technical. Level of concern: 4/10

Farr: the usual. Level of concern: 0/10 (At this point he is who he is. He'll jack a terrible outside shot now and again and struggle with defensive positioning while providing rebounds, occasional put-backs and blocks.)

Did Myles and Larry play in this game? Level of concern: 0/10 (We have so many options that I imagine every game we'll have a couple of players "disappear.")

I don't know if I've been living under a rock, but I didn't expect Gates to play as many minutes as he did. His shot was a little off, but he did well in rebounds and making his free throw attempts. Level of concern: 0/10

I could go on: O'Mara, Remy, JP, Bluiett, London's absence, etc. But ultimately the game played out pretty much how you'd expect the first game to play out. Both the defense and offense are works in progress (see breaking the press in the second half), yet the incredible depth and ability of the team are apparent. The only thing disconcerting to me was how Reynolds handled the double team.

Not much to see here. If the same issues exist 5-10 games from now, then we have a problem.



TL/DR

[Caveat]

There are so many scoring options on this team that I almost worry it will be difficult to settle on a lineup that maximizes potential. I guess that falls into the "good problem" category.

[Cheesehead]

There are so many scoring options on this team that I almost worry it will be difficult to settle on a lineup that maximizes potential. I guess that falls into the "good problem" category.
I have heard Makinde is getting out worked at practices and he pouts a bit. Good kid but needs to find his way a bit. Don't give up on him yet.

[waggy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k2QEnOjiIw

[X-Fan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k2QEnOjiIw

I know it's not unique to only Coach Mack, but I love how he puts messages in his post game press conference to his players.

Great takeaways from the game by coach. Love that he is already on top of Ed's improvement, Myles consistency, and the teams fouls. Also, funny stuff about JPs new haircut.

Really looking forward to seeing how the team plays against Mizzou.

[XU 87]

I haven't read all 16 pages of this thread but how about zero minutes for London? I know Mack was saying the guy needs to work harder in practice if he wants to get playing time. That is very disappointing for a guy that sat out all of last year. Hopefully he can get it together quick, if so then he can really help stretch the floor for us on offense.

London is apparently last on the depth chart. Right now, it looks like X is going with a 9 man rotation this year, with London and O'Mara being the odd men out (although O'Mara played 2 minutes against Miami). But there's only so many players you can play.

[XUFan09]

London is apparently last on the depth chart. Right now, it looks like X is going with a 9 man rotation this year, with London and O'Hara being the odd men out (although O'Hara played 2 minutes against Miami). But there's only so many players you can play.
Yup, it's not like Xavier is going to employ Daytonesque line changes. Someone is going to be left out. With the game moving to smaller lineups and with the influx of talent at the 2, it doesn't surprise me that it's a big.

It sounds like Makinde has to get better, but also, Gates just looks more built to handle big guys at the 4 right now.

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[SC in DC]

87 are you confusing JP's hair cut with Sean?

[xavierj]

Xavier is loaded. Myles wasnt his best but will have a big year. Won't always be pretty early on but this could be the best Xavier team ever. They have two of everything and the PG, Sumner is a pro. Team come March will be a freight train. Until January it will be like preseason so they may lose a few but they have some talent. I think Chris knows that too.

Man was I wrong? Can't believe I thought this team might lose a few before January.