New Book Alleges Louisville Recruiting Scandal

[Muskie]

Link (http://www.ibj.com/articles/55155-book-louisville-hired-prostitutes-to-woo-basketball-recruits?utm_source=breaking-news&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=2015-10-02)

McGee, who played for the Cardinals from 2005-09, was a Louisville graduate assistant for two years before being promoted to the director of basketball operations in 2012. McGee left the school in 2014 to take an assistant coaching job for the University of Missouri at Kansas City.

In her book, the 43-year-old Powell said she provided entertainment for 22 parties from 2010 to 2014, many at Billy Minardi Hall, an on-campus dormitory for many Louisville basketball players. The dorm is named after Louisville men’s basketball coach Rick Pitino’s brother-in-law, who was killed in the 9/11 attacks in New York.
At the parties, a number of women—including Powell and three of her daughters—stripped and danced in front of the Louisville recruits and players—as well as performed sex acts with them, said Powell, the ringleader of the strippers.

[muskiefan82]

So, she has admitted to engaging in prostitution? Will she be brought up on charges? What she did is an actual crime. Especially if any of these recruits were under age.

Also, one guess who "didn't know any of this might have been occurring?"

[xeus]

"Powell and three of her daughters" ...

None of this means anything without photos.

[X-band '01]

This could be a woman just looking for 15 minutes of fame (or 15 seconds of fame), or this could be an expose on Louisville recruiting.

I don't think this was related to the original extortion case involving Pitino, however.

[GoMuskies]

"Powell and three of her daughters" ...


Man I'm proud to be from Kentucky!

[Cheesehead]

Larry Brown is a scumbag, Calipari is a scumbag and Pitino is a scumbag.

[Kahns Krazy]

I don't know what the daughters look like, but their mother is Caitlyn Jenner's brother from another mother. Woof.

http://www.ibj.com/ext/resources/IBJ-Daily/00-2015/10-October/rsz_katina_powell---small.jpg

[STL_XUfan]

I am shocked that someone would try to lure teenage recruits by playing towards their hormones! Shocked I say.

[xubrew]

So, she has admitted to engaging in prostitution? Will she be brought up on charges? What she did is an actual crime. Especially if any of these recruits were under age.

Also, one guess who "didn't know any of this might have been occurring?"

This is an interesting question that I'd kind of like to know the answer to. As I understand it, being a stripper (and I guess being in porn) is technically considered to be a form of artistic expression, and therefore not illegal. At what point does artistic expression become prostitution??

I don't think this constitutes prostitution, but the key word is that I don't THINK it does. I haven't spent a whole lot of time thinking about this, but I am kind of curious. I mean, if you're in to porn, you're getting paid to have sex and it's not considered prostitution. If you're out on the street, it is. I get that one is on one side of the line and the other is on the other side of the line. But, even though I can tell which side of the line both those situations are on, I still don't know exactly where the line is.

[Juice]

This is an interesting question that I'd kind of like to know the answer to. As I understand it, being a stripper (and I guess being in porn) is technically considered to be a form of artistic expression, and therefore not illegal. At what point does artistic expression become prostitution??

I don't think this constitutes prostitution, but the key word is that I don't THINK it does. I haven't spent a whole lot of time thinking about this, but I am kind of curious. I mean, if you're in to porn, you're getting paid to have sex and it's not considered prostitution. If you're out on the street, it is. I get that one is on one side of the line and the other is on the other side of the line. But, even though I can tell which side of the line both those situations are on, I still don't know exactly where the line is.

Prostitution is a misdemeanor. It honestly doesn't matter regardless. You pay a fine, go on probation for like 6 months and it's over.

[X-man]

Current player Montrezl Harrell says he's "as shocked as Coach P" is about this. I am sure that this is a true statement.

[nuts4xu]

At what point does artistic expression become prostitution??


I know a little bit about porn and prostitutes, it becomes a crime when you accept money for a "sex act". If the strippers merely took off their clothes, and danced around a pole...it is not prostitution and not illegal.

If they take off their clothes and play with your pole (in any number of ways), and they accept payment at the end, this would be a criminal act.

Make sense? Should I provide pictures to illustrate the difference?

[xubrew]

Yes, pictures would definitely help.

Now, again, I'm just trying to understand this, but porn is clearly a sex act. Is the difference that it's a sex act where none of the participants are paying to have their poles played with??

[nuts4xu]

XX

[nuts4xu]

Now, again, I'm just trying to understand this, but porn is clearly a sex act. Is the difference that it's a sex act where none of the participants are paying to have their poles played with??

Yes that would be accurate. You can go to a strip club, or have strippers in your home to strip. But if you tip them to give you a BJ, anal, coitus, or a blumpkin for example....you have crossed the line and can be charged with a crime.

Hope this helps. I am here to drop knowledge...

[X-band '01]

This thread is going to the X Lounge in 3..2..1..

[xubrew]

Yes that would be accurate. You can go to a strip club, or have strippers in your home to strip. But if you tip them to give you a BJ, anal, coitus, or a blumpkin for example....you have crossed the line and can be charged with a crime.

Hope this helps. I am here to drop knowledge...

This is fantastic information, and you're knowledge on this subject has provided me with the clarification I was looking for.

So, if someone pays someone else to play with their pole, it's prostitution. But, if someone pays someone to play with someone else's pole, as well as pays that person to have their pole played with, then it's artistic expression. You can record this and sell it to people who can watch it while they play with their own poles. I get it now!!

[D-West & PO-Z]

This thread has gone where it was destined to go.

[LA Muskie]

This is fantastic information, and you're knowledge on this subject has provided me with the clarification I was looking for.

So, if someone pays someone else to play with their pole, it's prostitution. But, if someone pays someone to play with someone else's pole, as well as pays that person to have their pole played with, then it's artistic expression. You can record this and sell it to people who can watch it while they play with their own poles. I get it now!!
This is, essentially, accurate. So, for example, Kim Kardashian was not a prostitute merely because she filmed and then sold sex tapes. She was an artist. Nor was her mother a pimp when she orchestrated the sales. She was an art broker.

[STL_XUfan]

This is fantastic information, and you're knowledge on this subject has provided me with the clarification I was looking for.

So, if someone pays someone else to play with their pole, it's prostitution. But, if someone pays someone to play with someone else's pole, as well as pays that person to have their pole played with, then it's artistic expression. You can record this and sell it to people who can watch it while they play with their own poles. I get it now!!

Is there a flow chart that you can provide?

[xubrew]

A flow chart would definitely be helpful. Unfortunately I do not have one.

[Muskie]

Former Louisville Recruit confirms "gist" of allegations (Link (http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/2015/10/08/report-ex-recruit-jaquan-lyle-confirms-louisville-escort-scandal/73580998/))

[X-band '01]

And yet said recruit is now a freshman at Ohio State. What were the Buckeyes offering that UofL wasn't?

[D-West & PO-Z]

And yet said recruit is now a freshman at Ohio State. What were the Buckeyes offering that UofL wasn't?

Maybe they could promise their prostitutes arent snitches?

[Xville]

It is incredibly naïve to believe this kind of thing doesn't happen in a lot of places. Not that that makes it ok. I just can't believe louisville was that stupid to get caught. What I'm wondering is what was this hookers motivation to let all of this out? I'm guessing she demanded a pretty large sum and louisville called her bluff...whoops! It can't be from the book because media around here says she only gets 10% of all sales and knowing how book sales are these days...that isn't going to be a lot of money.

[94GRAD]

It is incredibly naïve to believe this kind of thing doesn't happen in a lot of places. Not that that makes it ok. I just can't believe louisville was that stupid to get caught. What I'm wondering is what was this hookers motivation to let all of this out? I'm guessing she demanded a pretty large sum and louisville called her bluff...whoops! It can't be from the book because media around here says she only gets 10% of all sales and knowing how book sales are these days...that isn't going to be a lot of money.

But thats 10% she didnt have before

[casualfan]

From what I've been told in the past we should all be rooting for Pitino to survive this.

[GoMuskies]

From what I've been told in the past we should all be rooting for Pitino to survive this.

There's a 0.0% chance Mack would get the Louisville job. He might want it, but he's not getting it.

[waggy]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the chances are better than zero.

[GoMuskies]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the chances are better than zero.

Fair enough. If 8 other people turn Louisville down, Mack could be in the mix.

[waggy]

I'm not offended in the least if Mack's not on their (or anyone elses) list.

[casualfan]

Fair enough. If 8 other people turn Louisville down, Mack could be in the mix.

Who are these 8 ppl?

[GoMuskies]

I'm not offended in the least if Mack's not on their (or anyone elses) list.

Me either.

[xubrew]

It's been 44 years since Louisville was coached by someone not in the hall of fame. they've been to two Final Fours and another Elite Eight in the past four years, and you get on their message boards and fans want Pitino fired because the game has passed him by. I would not go there. If you go to back to back Sweet Sixteens in your first two years you may keep your job, but your house will be egged nightly. Louisville fans aren't happy when they win. They're just pissed when they don't.

[GoMuskies]

It's been 44 years since Louisville was coached by someone not in the hall of fame. they've been to two Final Fours and another Elite Eight in the past four years, and you get on their message boards and fans want Pitino fired because the game has passed him by. I would not go there. If you go to back to back Sweet Sixteens in your first two years you may keep your job, but your house will be egged nightly. Louisville fans aren't happy when they win. They're just pissed when they don't.

Umm...Louisville has had only two coaches in 44 years, and you think that's a bad, unstable situation? They've actually only had 4 coaches in 70 years, and it's only so many because one of the guys had heart disease and had to quit before his time.

Your post, it makes no sense.

[xu82]

Umm...Louisville has had only two coaches in 44 years, and you think that's a bad, unstable situation? They've actually only had 4 coaches in 70 years, and it's only so many because one of the guys had heart disease and had to quit before his time.

Your post, it makes no sense.

That's some crazy history! Talk about spoiled fans, wow. I would be concerned about being the next guy though. I get where he's coming from with the post. Be sure you get plenty of years and digits on your contract if you're the next guy. Of course, they get the pick of the litter when it comes to coaches, but the pressure is certainly on. It's not bad or unstable, but expectations are through the roof!

[D-West & PO-Z]

Kind of like St. Xavier Bombers football. :biggrin:

3 coaches in the last 62 years.

[xubrew]

Umm...Louisville has had only two coaches in 44 years, and you think that's a bad, unstable situation? They've actually only had 4 coaches in 70 years, and it's only so many because one of the guys had heart disease and had to quit before his time.

Your post, it makes no sense.

All true. I guess I see Louisville fans as being an overly entitled and overly impatient bunch. But, to your point, they rarely get rid of anyone. Hell, you could go on interviews with other schools without properly informing your boss...multiple times....and basically treat everyone around you like crap, and not only not get fired, but get re-hired.

[GoMuskies]

As long as you win 82% of your games, sure.

Not only did they never fire anyone at Louisville in 70 years of basketball (other than Crum basically after only 30 measly years), but no one has ever left, either. It must not be all bad.

[xubrew]

"Steve Kragthorpe resigned from Texas A&M due to medial issues."

"GOOD!! THE GUY SUCKS!!"

Uhhh.....okay.


The fans are a little off kilter.

[GoMuskies]

Don't say that Klown's name.

[drudy23]

I still don't understand why these allegations are so "shocking and damning". It probably goes on at most schools more than it doesn't.

And who's going to replace Pitino? He's arguably one of the best college basketball coaches EVER. There are ZERO upgrades that would take the job (and I probably only consider Coach K an upgrade from the current crop of coaches).

[X-band '01]

Richard Pitino? Mick Cronin?

[GoMuskies]

Gregg Marshall

[casualfan]

Richard Pitino? Mick Cronin?

No chance. If Pitino is canned they will run as far away from his coaching tree for the next hire as they can get.

I'm still curious about these 8 other guys that would be in front of Mack. They might have 8 guys in front of him, but none of them would be realistic.

[casualfan]

Gregg Marshall

I don't think Marshall would take that job under regular circumstances. Throw in the scholarship reductions they'll be facing if this goes the way where Pitino would get canned and there is no way he takes it.

He's holding out for a top 5 job (i.e. Kentucky, UNC, Kansas, Indiana, Duke).

Louisville is in that next tier.

[GoMuskies]

Louisville is a better job than Indiana.

Also, Marshall would have taken the Texas job. Louisville is FAR superior to Texas.

[casualfan]

Louisville is a better job than Indiana.

No it's not. Just ask a panel of college basketball writers (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8021169/ranking-nation-top-10-college-basketball-coaching-jobs) or a panel of college basketball coaches (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25281075/candid-coaches-what-are-the-best-three-hoops-jobs-in-the-country)

People get confused a lot of times when talking about best jobs. They put too much emphasis on how the guy there now is doing as opposed to looking at the job in a vacuum. Right now Louisville is a better team than IU because they have a better coach. But IU is a better job.

[GoMuskies]

No it's not.

It is. Just as much tradition. Loads more money.

[casualfan]

It is. Just as much tradition. Loads more money.

Loads more money? You're splitting hairs there. Both have top 5 basketball budgets.

It's dumb to argue because as I posted above the people who matter, coaches, think IU is a better job.

Having said that where they separate themselves is the fertile recruiting ground they sit on.

Since 2010 the state of Indiana has produced 10 5 star recruits. The state of Kentucky? 0.

IU was a better job before all this came out and it is certainly a better job after all of it.

[GoMuskies]

You're welcome to believe what you like. You're wrong, but we can agree to disagree. :)

[casualfan]

You're welcome to believe what you like. You're wrong, but we can agree to disagree. :)

Me and the guys who get paid to coach college basketball are comfortable on this side of the fence.

You and ummm well yeah i guess it's just you can remain on the other side if you'd like ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[waggy]

X is better than both.

Child please.

[GoMuskies]

Yeah, I'm pretty comfortable with Louisville as a better job than IU in 2015. If those coaches you speak of were actually faced with having to choose between the two jobs (and not simply facing a hypo), I'm pretty sure that most of them would actually pick Louisville, too.

[GoMuskies]

X is better than both.

Child please.

I'd pick Xavier fo sho. I mean, I'm sure I could have gone to IU or Louisville. And I didn't.

[Xville]

No it's not. Just ask a panel of college basketball writers (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8021169/ranking-nation-top-10-college-basketball-coaching-jobs) or a panel of college basketball coaches (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25281075/candid-coaches-what-are-the-best-three-hoops-jobs-in-the-country)

People get confused a lot of times when talking about best jobs. They put too much emphasis on how the guy there now is doing as opposed to looking at the job in a vacuum. Right now Louisville is a better team than IU because they have a better coach. But IU is a better job.

Considering the other company that those other 4 schools are in, I don't think you can group IU in there with the rest of them. IU and Louisville are pretty much the same, and Louisville has much nicer facilities and have had much more success in recent years. I would say they are both in that next tier of top 10. Also quite frankly, I could really care less what some writers wrote 3 years ago, they don't know anything more than anyone else. Also, the coaches poll there is splitting hairs...we are probably talking a vote here or there.

Anyways, it doesn't matter because Pitino isn't going anywhere. Louisville sweeps things under the rug very well just like most big time college programs do. Still waiting on that hammer coming down on UNC...i'm sure that penalty is just right around the corner.

[Xville]

I still don't understand why these allegations are so "shocking and damning". It probably goes on at most schools more than it doesn't.

And who's going to replace Pitino? He's arguably one of the best college basketball coaches EVER. There are ZERO upgrades that would take the job (and I probably only consider Coach K an upgrade from the current crop of coaches).

I think people are just shocked that someone finally talked. Everyone knows this stuff goes on, if they don't they have had their heads stuck in the sand for decades.

[paulxu]

Nobody has the money that Koch U. has.

[Juice]

Loads more money? You're splitting hairs there. Both have top 5 basketball budgets.

It's dumb to argue because as I posted above the people who matter, coaches, think IU is a better job.

Having said that where they separate themselves is the fertile recruiting ground they sit on.

Since 2010 the state of Indiana has produced 10 5 star recruits. The state of Kentucky? 0.

IU was a better job before all this came out and it is certainly a better job after all of it.

Louisville is insanely close to Bloomington with an NBA-type arena, is in the ACC, and has just as a rabid fan base as IU. I would say they are equal if anything.

[bobbiemcgee]

This thread has gone where it was destined to go.


Ho.ho,ho,hoe

[LA Muskie]

I think people are just shocked that someone finally talked. Everyone knows this stuff goes on, if they don't they have had their heads stuck in the sand for decades.

I think everyone knows there's drinking and sex on recruiting trips. Hell, I was a scrawny, nerdy 18 yr old twerp and I practically got laid on scholarship weekend.

The reason this is shocking is that someone (allegedly) felt compelled needed to pay money for (likely) ugly hookers when there are so many hot co-eds willing to do it all for free.

[xu82]

I think everyone knows there's drinking and sex on recruiting trips. Hell, I was a scrawny, nerdy 18 yr old twerp and I practically got laid on scholarship weekend.

The reason this is shocking is that someone (allegedly) felt compelled needed to pay money for (likely) ugly hookers when there are so many hot co-eds willing to do it all for free.

I know I personally would have taken time from my busy schedule to help "recruit" for a women's tennis or swim team. For free even!

[GoMuskies]

I know I personally would have taken time from my busy schedule to help "recruit" for a women's tennis or swim team. For free even!

What if we had started a softball team? Would you have been willing to fall on that grenade for X?

[xu82]

What if we had started a softball team? Would you have been willing to fall on that grenade for X?

I would probably would have had a conflict in my schedule, and they would have had a conflict with my gender. I'm also busy if we're recruiting for a women's rugby team. That might spell danger!

[xubrew]

It is incredibly naïve to believe this kind of thing doesn't happen in a lot of places. Not that that makes it ok. I just can't believe louisville was that stupid to get caught. What I'm wondering is what was this hookers motivation to let all of this out? I'm guessing she demanded a pretty large sum and louisville called her bluff...whoops! It can't be from the book because media around here says she only gets 10% of all sales and knowing how book sales are these days...that isn't going to be a lot of money.

Yes, things like go on at a lot of places, but like cheating on your taxes there is a rule against it. There is also a part of this that makes it infinitely worse for Louisville.

Recruits drinking on campus = bad.

Recruits drinking on campus WHEN COACHES SUPPLIED THE ALCOHOL = EXTREMELY bad.

That's Louisville's problem, but instead of alcohol, it's strippers. A member of the coaching staff was involved in orchestrating it. That's not good. I still think that ultimately Louisville will end up being far more embarrassed than screwed, but they are kinda screwed here.

I'm no psychologist and cannot speak with certainty to the psyche of an individual who is a stripper, but I'd guess that the thing that motivated her to write the book is the same thing that motivated her to take her clothes off in front of a bunch of horny college guys. Money.

[Xavgrad08]

I would imagine the uncertainty of the situation is a pretty good punishment in itself. It will likely take the NCAA some time to get to the bottom of this. During that time opposing coaches will have a field day recruiting against Louisville. I think it is likely Louisville self punishes themselves in hopes of easing the aftermath.


This is from a couple days ago, but it is still interesting. Rick Pitino on the radio: Sorry U of L president James Ramsey "didn't think enough to mention me" in release today. If you are Rick it probably is not a good idea to call out the U of L president right now.

[xubrew]

I predict recruiting restrictions. Fewer contact and fewer visits. Perhaps a sternly written letter telling them it was wrong and to not do it again. Nothing more, nothing less.

I should also point out that I am at times a horrible prognosticator. So, Louisville could either end up with the death penalty, or with nothing at all.

[MADXSTER]

Imagine what the wives of these husbands are thinking. 'No more college visits without me tagging along'

[ballyhoohoo]

I predict recruiting restrictions. Fewer contact and fewer visits. Perhaps a sternly written letter telling them it was wrong and to not do it again. Nothing more, nothing less.

I should also point out that I am at times a horrible prognosticator. So, Louisville could either end up with the death penalty, or with nothing at all.

What's the old joke. "The NCAA will be so pissed at Louisville that WKU will lose eight scholarships and a post season ban"

[BMoreX]

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13927159/former-louisville-cardinals-basketball-players-recruits-acknowledge-stripper-parties-minardi-hall

[GoMuskies]

I've been looking forward to the end of the Pitino era at Louisville so that I could go back to at least sort of following them/cheering for them. Looks like I might finally get my wish.

[xubrew]

I fail to see the problem here....

People are aghast that a member of the coaching staff knew this was going on. Why?? I mean, think about it. If you're going to have strippers, escorts that are perhaps underage, recruits that are underage, alcohol, and side deals for sex, it would be COMPLETELY irresponsible if a member of the coaching staff was not there to supervise. Just imagine how out of hand that could get!! Louisville should be applauded, not scorned!! People really need to think before they go off making criticisms for stupid reasons!!!

[xubrew]

Andre McGee has reportedly resigned from UMKC, and the stated reason is amazing. He's unable to concentrate due to all of the false accusations he's facing.

He had been on administrative leave with pay.

I've never been suspended with pay, but have always wanted to be. Has anyone reading this ever been suspended with pay?? If so, is it as great as I imagine it to be?? If I ever miss work then I have to use vacation time in order to get paid. I'd love to change that somehow. Maybe I should look into this whole hiring strippers thing. If I'm ever suspended with pay, I'm NOT resigning!!! Why the hell would I??

[GoMuskies]

I'm guessing Kareem Richardson wishes he had never met Andre McGee.

[waggy]

So why hasn't the hall of fame cheater been fired yet?

[Xville]

So why hasn't the hall of fame cheater been fired yet?

well Roy Williams should be fired for going on what two years now? Not sure which one works quicker our judicial system, or the ncaa.

[xubrew]

So why hasn't the hall of fame cheater been fired yet?

Louisville may be making a huge mistake.

Pitino apparently wasn't at ACC Media Day today. He sent two grad assistants instead. The members of the media aren't exactly thrilled about that. I'm personally amused that they're annoyed, but I also think that if Pitino is the coach and they're claiming no foul was committed, then he needs to act like the coach, and that means showing up at Media Day.

[X-band '01]

ACC's Media Day isn't until next Wednesday.

[GoMuskies]

well Roy Williams should be fired for going on what two years now?

Why should Roy Williams be fired? He's not Chancellor of the University or Head of the African Studies Department (both of whom have left the building).

[Xville]

Why should Roy Williams be fired? He's not Chancellor of the University or Head of the African Studies Department (both of whom have left the building).

For the same reasons that pitino should in that not knowing what was going on is no longer an excuse.

[GoMuskies]

Yes, but the issues at Louisville were in the basketball program. The issues at UNC were in the African American Studies Department. Williams isn't charged with knowing what's going on there.

[Xville]

Yes but I'm guessing that bb players took that class among other fake classes. Lack of institutional control and all that...I'm guessing he should be canned as well.

[waggy]

The only logical explanation I can come up with for Pitino not getting fired is he's got dirt on someone important. So it's not that he didn't know; it's that actually Does. Something.

It's so bad they had get Muhammad Ali's hot take.

[GoMuskies]

Yes, but Williams isn't responsible for making sure the classes his players take are real classes (as long as they're in the university's offerings). Pitino is definitely responsible for making sure one of his assistants isn't arranging for recruits to bang whores on their official visits.

[xubrew]

The only logical explanation I can come up with for Pitino not getting fired is he's got dirt on someone important. So it's not that he didn't know; it's that actually Does. Something.

It's so bad they had get Muhammad Ali's hot take.

I think it's just as simple as Louisville making a bad decision. Happens all the time at a lot of places.

[xudash]

This crap constantly flashing across the bottom of the television screen on ESPN isn't exactly positive. They say all PR is good PR. Well, perhaps that's not true.

[waggy]

I think it's just as simple as Louisville making a bad decision.

Like ordering salmon from the chinese carryout?

[xubrew]

I think North Carolina is going to get hit really hard as a department. It's just not going to happen this athletic year. What's crazy is that when they were preparing their response to the NCAA (which you have ninety days to do), they actually uncovered and reported more violations. None of them had anything to do with basketball, but it was still more. As a result, it basically restarted the entire process because the charges were amended. The NCAA won't get around to finishing that process and ruling until at least the middle of 2016, and by then the basketball season will be over. I don't think basketball will get hit as hard as some of the other programs. I expect them to get a postseason ban, but it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't. Football, women's basketball and men's soccer are dead meat. Perhaps men's basketball too, but maybe not.

I think programs that go ahead and blow themselves up on the front end get back to normal more quickly than those that don't. Miami FL is not back to normal and may not be for quite some time, and they didn't even get slammed as badly as it looked like they were going to due to the NCAA bumbling the investigation. Ohio State went through this in both basketball and football, and not only got back to normal rather quickly, but got back to an elite level in rather quickly.

Louisville is looking at failure to monitor (which basically means the head coach is responsible for his staff even if he doesn't know), excessive entertainment for recruits, improper benefits for recruits, and everyone's favorite catch all "lack of institutional control." If they self impose a ban and have Pitino resign, this is over before it even starts. In March/April they can start looking for a new head coach, and it's not like they'll have any trouble putting together a strong pool of candidates, and then next year at this time they're excited about the upcoming season and it's all just a memory. But, if they drag this out, it could end up being a lot worse for a lot longer.

[xu82]

Like ordering salmon from the chinese carryout?

That's the Salmon-Nellie for some folk. It's the #5 to go for short.

[GIMMFD]

Louisville is looking at failure to monitor (which basically means the head coach is responsible for his staff even if he doesn't know), excessive entertainment for recruits, improper benefits for recruits, and everyone's favorite catch all "lack of institutional control." If they self impose a ban and have Pitino resign, this is over before it even starts. In March/April they can start looking for a new head coach, and it's not like they'll have any trouble putting together a strong pool of candidates, and then next year at this time they're excited about the upcoming season and it's all just a memory. But, if they drag this out, it could end up being a lot worse for a lot longer.

I disagree, I think it will be a huge controversial air over Louisville. How many times was the brawl brought up that year? There's no way that the Louisville scandal doesn't get brought up at least once a game, especially on ESPN who seem more prone to act like TMZ than sports recently. It would be a hell hole of a situation to walk into as a head coach, knowing that you're going to have some restrictions placed on you, and that everybody is going to be watching your every move. That doesn't even scratch the surface of the Pitino legacy, and how he was able to have some damn good Louisville teams, and what that means to the state of recruiting. I don't think it's a simple "let's get excited for next year scenario" but more so a long drawn out process unfortunately.

[LA Muskie]

I think Louisville can weather the storm. But only with a complete overhaul of the basketball program. I don't see how Rick and his staff survive this. Frankly I don't see how Jurich survives either.

[GoMuskies]

If Jurich was feeding Benjamins into the hookers' panties he'd survive. Probably get a raise. And deserve it.

[Xville]

Louisville will be fine..but I think pitino is done. He probably should have been done with the sphyer thing but since he is a hall of fame coach, he got a second chance. If jurich allows pitino to stay again I really question his decision making, not that I haven't already with brining petrino back. What a joke of a hire that was. The win at all costs mentality and the kool aid drinking by the fans down here is a little disgusting.

[GoMuskies]

Petrino was a brilliant hire that I fully endorse.

[Juice]

Louisville will be fine..but I think pitino is done. He probably should have been done with the sphyer thing but since he is a hall of fame coach, he got a second chance. If jurich allows pitino to stay again I really question his decision making, not that I haven't already with brining petrino back. What a joke of a hire that was. The win at all costs mentality and the kool aid drinking by the fans down here is a little disgusting.

Why? Because he had sex with someone who wasn't his wife?

[Xville]

Why? Because he had sex with someone who wasn't his wife?

1. There were other options out there. Don't forget where Louisville was when Petrine was hired. They had just won a bcs game...yes teddy was leaving but it still was an attractive destination at the time.
2. He left Louisville after lying about it. Would you except Thad with open arms? I wouldn't. It's pathetic.
3. He's a piece of shit...he left Atlanta in a despicable way, cheated on his wife (yeah not a fan of that, I guess you are ok with that in a football coach), then he lied about it.

Call me crazy but I'd like to have a good coach but also one with maybe some morals, maybe some integrity...someone these young kids could look up to. It can happen. Look at Coach Mack for instance.

[Juice]

1. There were other options out there. Don't forget where Louisville was when Petrine was hired. They had just won a bcs game...yes teddy was leaving but it still was an attractive destination at the time.
2. He left Louisville after lying about it. Would you except Thad with open arms? I wouldn't. It's pathetic.
3. He's a piece of shit...he left Atlanta in a despicable way, cheated on his wife (yeah not a fan of that, I guess you are ok with that in a football coach), then he lied about it.

Call me crazy but I'd like to have a good coach but also one with maybe some morals, maybe some integrity...someone these young kids could look up to. It can happen. Look at Coach Mack for instance.

His infidelity is between him, his wife, his family, and his employer at Arkansas.

And morals and integrity are subjective. People always have their stick up their ass about something. Just be a good coach and win some games.

[Xville]

His infidelity is between him, his wife, his family, and his employer at Arkansas.

And morals and integrity are subjective. People always have their stick up their ass about something. Just be a good coach and win some games.

If he was not in the public eye his infidelity would only be between those people. Morals and integrity being subjective is complete nonsense. Aside from that, as I said, there were other options out there.

[Juice]

If he was not in the public eye his infidelity would only be between those people. Morals and integrity being subjective is complete nonsense. Aside from that, as I said, there were other options out there.

Really? Because the Texans owner gave money to a PAC that was discriminating against gay people. Some people call that moral, others (me and normal people) call it hateful. Morality is subjective.

[LA Muskie]

His infidelity is between him, his wife, his family, and his employer at Arkansas.

I personally think that's a crock of BS used merely to justify hiring/retention. If we were talking about professional sports franchises then I could see the argument.

But these are COLLEGE coaches. While winning is certainly (very) important, their job description is more than just winning games.

College athletics are supposed to be educational and transformative. Coaches are supposed to be molding the young men and women under their charge. Coaches' personal conduct is highly relevant.

We hold student athletes to a high bar. We should hold their coaches to an exponentially higher one.

[Xville]

Really? Because the Texans owner gave money to a PAC that was discriminating against gay people. Some people call that moral, others (me and normal people) call it hateful. Morality is subjective.

So to you is cheating on ones own wife moral and showing integrity? How about then lying about it? How about leaving a job and your employers find out by you writing them a note in a locker room? Is that moral or showing integrity?

[Juice]

So to you is cheating on ones own wife moral and showing integrity? How about then lying about it? How about leaving a job and your employers find out by you writing them a note in a locker room? Is that moral or showing integrity?

No, that's called being a p*ssy. And he will never work in the NFL again because of it.

[LA Muskie]

And morals and integrity are subjective. People always have their stick up their ass about something. Just be a good coach and win some games.

I guess I was so hung up on your first paragraph I never made it to your second -- which manages to be even more absurd.

Just because some issues may be subjective doesn't mean all are. I would be curious under what code infidelity (and the lying that necessarily accompanies it) is ever OK?

[Juice]

I guess I was so hung up on your first paragraph I never made it to your second -- which manages to be even more absurd.

Just because some issues may be subjective doesn't mean all are. I would be curious under what code infidelity (and the lying that necessarily accompanies it) is ever OK?

Yeah overall it's not ok. But if every person was fired and prohibited from working at a job they're qualified for then a large percentage of the population would be unemployed/under employed.

[GoMuskies]

I would be curious under what code infidelity (and the lying that necessarily accompanies it) is ever OK?

Never okay between the spouses. If it's not my spouse doing it, though, why should I give a shit who's putting what where with whom? None of my business in and of itself.

[xubrew]

This may come off as ironic, but....

What happened with Pitino the first time was probably a bigger life foul (at least in my opinion), but I would not have fired a coach for something like that. For starters, the incident was a full six years prior to it hitting the media, the school knew about it even though the public didn't, and it would have looked a little ridiculous to terminate someone for something that you had known about for six years. And secondly, Pitino WAS a victim. He was being blackmailed by a crazy person who had a history of seeking people out, having sex with them, and then blackmailing them. She went to prison, and rightfully so.

Now, the second issue with the strippers, he probably was not aware of the full scope of it. But, unlike the first incident, this has a direct effect on his program. This happened on recruiting visits, which I think falls under the category of university business (whereas the first incident was not), and he was ultimately responsible for it. Fair or not, that's the new NCAA standard with the failure to monitor and promote compliance rules. He was failing to monitor. Not knowing, even if it's reasonable to think that he wasn't being neglectful in not knowing, is no longer an excuse.

...and, he won't be "fired" in the sense that me, you, or anyone reading this would likely be fired. They'll come to a settlement within his contract, and he'll be paid millions to not work.

Damn, I'm in the wrong business!!

[principal]

Yeah overall it's not ok. But if every person was fired and prohibited from working at a job they're qualified for then a large percentage of the population would be unemployed/under employed.

Wait, so morality is not subjective? Which is it?

[Juice]

Wait, so morality is not subjective? Which is it?

It definitely is but I obviously understand that most people don't think it's cool to cheat on their wife. But again, if you guys were allowed to decide who could and could not work based on whether they cheated on their wife then a huge chunk of America wouldn't be allowed to work.

[Xville]

It definitely is but I obviously understand that most people don't think it's cool to cheat on their wife. But again, if you guys were allowed to decide who could and could not work based on whether they cheated on their wife then a huge chunk of America wouldn't be allowed to work.

We aren't talking about all of America here. We are talking about a college coach...a coach who is supposed to be a person that leads by example and shows transformative minds right from wrong etc. Furthermore, as a college basketball coach you are a public representation of the institution. Perception of the institution and its athletic program is hurt when a coach missteps..whether that is fair or not. Whether you believe it or.not, that can affect recruiting.

No one really gives a crap what a coach does in professional sports, no one really gives a crap what you and I do in our personal lives as long as it doesn't make our work suffer. College coaches are held to a higher standard as they are supposed to be extensions of a parent while on campus...a parent that maybe some of these guys or girls have never really had. If it was your child and he was looking at louisville, would you start caring about the college coach's personal actions? I would....ok rant over.

[Juice]

We aren't talking about all of America here. We are talking about a college coach...a coach who is supposed to be a person that leads by example and shows transformative minds right from wrong etc. Furthermore, as a college basketball coach you are a public representation of the institution. Perception of the institution and its athletic program is hurt when a coach missteps..whether that is fair or not. Whether you believe it or.not, that can affect recruiting.

No one really gives a crap what a coach does in professional sports, no one really gives a crap what you and I do in our personal lives as long as it doesn't make our work suffer. College coaches are held to a higher standard as they are supposed to be extensions of a parent while on campus...a parent that maybe some of these guys or girls have never really had. If it was your child and he was looking at louisville, would you start caring about the college coach's personal actions? I would....ok rant over.

See this is where you're exactly right. No one gives a shit as long as it doesn't make our work suffer. For some reason you think that college coaches are supposed to be saints when in fact most of them are scummy assholes. You have an idealistic view of college athletics.

Oh and the supposed parents that you're alleging that would be disgusted when looking at Louisville were on those visits f*cking those strippers too. They didn't seem to care.

[Xville]

See this is where you're exactly right. No one gives a shit as long as it doesn't make our work suffer. For some reason you think that college coaches are supposed to be saints when in fact most of them are scummy assholes. You have an idealistic view of college athletics.

Oh and the supposed parents that you're alleging that would be disgusted when looking at Louisville were on those visits f*cking those strippers too. They didn't seem to care.

I don't have an idealistic view...it is what it is supposed to be...period. just like a teacher, college coaches are to be held to a higher standard in their personal lives, because they are leading young people.

And first of all regarding the stripper and hookers thing...yeah there are disgusting people in all walks of life, that doesn't mean it's ok. As I mentioned before a lot of these kids have never had a real parent so a coach is sometimes the one and only real parent they will ever have. I would like that person to show the player how to lead a good and productive life, so that later when they graduate and move on, they become productive members of society and not scumbags.

[LA Muskie]

Being a role model is part of the job description for a college coach.

[Juice]

I don't have an idealistic view...it is what it is supposed to be...period. just like a teacher, college coaches are to be held to a higher standard in their personal lives, because they are leading young people.

And first of all regarding the stripper and hookers thing...yeah there are disgusting people in all walks of life, that doesn't mean it's ok. As I mentioned before a lot of these kids have never had a real parent so a coach is sometimes the one and only real parent they will ever have. I would like that person to show the player how to lead a good and productive life, so that later when they graduate and move on, they become productive members of society and not scumbags.

I would argue that most college coaches are held to a much lower standard than the general public. And that's why people like Bret Bielema can walk onto a field, get into it with a player of an opposing team, fake physical contact, draw a flag, celebrate and most people think it's funny.

I'll let Bill Burr summarize my feelings on the subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldIwEG9xQ-M "ABSOLUTELY REPREHENSIBLE BEHAVIOR....like they have any idea what it's like to be tempted at that level"

[xubrew]

Most college coaches are great. Most college basketball coaches are not. College basketball coaches are typically low class and narcissistic people who are held to very high class and selfless standards. Most of the successful coaches are good at hiding who they really are.

rant over

[GoMuskies]

From what I've been told in the past we should all be rooting for Pitino to survive this.

OK, at this point I think Mack probably would rate pretty high on Louisville's list. Luckily, it seems this is another storm that Pitino has weathered, and Louisville seems to be #2 on the list of underrated teams preseason.

[Pete Delkus]

OK, at this point I think Mack probably would rate pretty high on Louisville's list. Luckily, it seems this is another storm that Pitino has weathered, and Louisville seems to be #2 on the list of underrated teams preseason.

Yea, that went by quick...like in 15 seconds.


They would love to have Mack, but I don't see Rick exiting. They rubber will meet the road with Chris if he gets continually denied by top 50 recruits and is unable to bring in 1 biggie over a 2-3 year span.

[XUFan09]

Yea, that went by quick...like in 15 seconds.


They would love to have Mack, but I don't see Rick exiting. They rubber will meet the road with Chris if he gets continually denied by top 50 recruits and is unable to bring in 1 biggie over a 2-3 year span.
True about recruiting. So far, so good. Every year from 2010 to 2014, Mack secured a top 50 recruit, with the exception of 2013, which was an understandably rough year. In 2015, they weren't really recruiting that much, just wanting to find an athletic wing that could guard multiple positions, so I think Mack was happy with that class of Gates. The 2016 class was interesting, as the staff did miss on Kobi Simmons and Bruce Brown, but going with Goodin rather than waiting on Simmons was a conscious choice and Brown would have been a luxury. Among bigs, Joey Brunk and Dylan Painter were probably viewed on a similar level to Eddie Ekiyor and Tyrique Jones, with the question being what kind of front court they want. I think 2017 will turn out well, but that's going to be a significant class for the program, regardless of how it pans out.

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[Masterofreality]

True about recruiting. So far, so good. Every year from 2010 to 2014, Mack secured a top 50 recruit, with the exception of 2013, which was an understandably rough year. In 2015, they weren't really recruiting that much, just wanting to find an athletic wing that could guard multiple positions, so I think Mack was happy with that class of Gates. The 2016 class was interesting, as the staff did miss on Kobi Simmons and Bruce Brown, but going with Goodin rather than waiting on Simmons was a conscious choice and Brown would have been a luxury. Among bigs, Joey Brunk and Dylan Painter were probably viewed on a similar level to Eddie Ekiyor and Tyrique Jones, with the question being what kind of front court they want. I think 2017 will turn out well, but that's going to be a significant class for the program, regardless of how it pans out.

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The staff was not NOT going to take Goodin. BTW, Kid scored 36 over the weekend in a game. I think that they really thought that Quentin would not be a 1 year wonder like Kobi would be, so they took the kid who would probably mesh better as well.

Building a team is an art. 5 star rated kids are pieces that May or may not fit.

In CMack I trust.

[XUFan09]

The staff was not NOT going to take Goodin. BTW, Kid scored 36 over the weekend in a game. I think that they really thought that Quentin would not be a 1 year wonder like Kobi would be, so they took the kid who would probably mesh better as well.

Building a team is an art. 5 star rated kids are pieces that May or may not fit.

In CMack I trust.
That doesn't really contradict what I said. It was definitely a conscious decision to take him when he was planning on committing rather than holding out for Kobi. Was it an easy decision? Maybe, but a decision was still made. He had a shot on a top kid and chose to bow out for someone else. That's different from sticking with it and losing out in the end.

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[Masterofreality]

That doesn't really contradict what I said. It was definitely a conscious decision to take him when he was planning on committing rather than holding out for Kobi. Was it an easy decision? Maybe, but a decision was still made. He had a shot on a top kid and chose to bow out for someone else. That's different from sticking with it and losing out in the end.

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Didin't really try to contradict- other than you saying that the staff "missed" on Kobi. They didn't miss. They consciously plucked Quentin, for good reasons.
That's all.

[XUFan09]

Didin't really try to contradict- other than you saying that the staff "missed" on Kobi. They didn't miss. They consciously plucked Quentin, for good reasons.
That's all.
That's really what I'm saying. They did miss in the sense that they went after a recruit and didn't get him, but they were in the driver's seat on that decision.

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[ballyhoohoo]

That's really what I'm saying. They did miss in the sense that they went after a recruit and didn't get him, but they were in the driver's seat on that decision.

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Being in the drivers seat and choosing to go another another direction isn't a miss. Picking the kid and him picking me someone else is a miss.

Chris Mack isn't losing any sleep

[THRILLHOUSE]

Hmmm...

"@GoodmanESPN Louisville press conference set at 1:30 today with Rick Pitino, school president and AD Tom Jurich."

[GoMuskies]

If Pitino's going to be there, you can bet Louisville is going to be slinging some mud at the accusers and their accusations. I mean, these womens are complete idiots, so it's not a difficult task to make them look bad.

[GoMuskies]

Well, here's what the Louisville message boarders are saying. I guess it's not going to be such a pro-Louisville PC after all.

Let's just say we'll all have March free. and Damion and Trey just got screwed.

southboundanddown1 wrote:
lvillefan1 wrote: Couple things, It's time to figure out who the hell is leaking stuff to Jones. Also, If this is what we all think it is, Rick, you can leave now. Bye. I understand he's the best option at coach but there are things more important than basketball right now.

Clue me in, what is it that you are thinking it is?

[D-West & PO-Z]

Well, here's what the Louisville message boarders are saying. I guess it's not going to be such a pro-Louisville PC after all.

Let's just say we'll all have March free. and Damion and Trey just got screwed.

southboundanddown1 wrote:
lvillefan1 wrote: Couple things, It's time to figure out who the hell is leaking stuff to Jones. Also, If this is what we all think it is, Rick, you can leave now. Bye. I understand he's the best option at coach but there are things more important than basketball right now.

Clue me in, what is it that you are thinking it is?

Wow, so they are thinking they will self impose March ban?

[GoMuskies]

That's what I'm reading.

[XUMIOH12]

wow that would be huge

[paulxu]

24/1 is a good year for the Cards to take a bye.

[GoMuskies]

Pitino may also be out. My two favorite college coaches (Marshall and Mack) would certainly be on the list if that's the case. Don't like.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Pitino may also be out. My two favorite college coaches (Marshall and Mack) would certainly be on the list if that's the case. Don't like.

I cant imagine Pitino being there if he was out.

[GoMuskies]

I cant imagine Pitino being there if he was out.

Me, either, but I think the rumor is that he'd "retire" at the end of the year. So if he's going to coach the rest of the season, he'd probably be at this PC.

[Cheesehead]

As much I as don't like Pitino and still cannot fathom how he kept his job after banging a chick in a restaurant & then then being blackmailed for it, I don't want to see Mack leave either. My quess is they do some internal sanctions to ward off NCAA penalties. This will be damage control.

[GoMuskies]

So it's now confirmed (by the Courier-Journal) that Louisville will have a post-season ban. Appears that Tricky Ricky is staying though.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Me, either, but I think the rumor is that he'd "retire" at the end of the year. So if he's going to coach the rest of the season, he'd probably be at this PC.

Yeah that would make more sense.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Really shitty for the two grad transfers who were trying to play in the first NCAA tourney.

[GoMuskies]

http://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/louisville/2016/02/05/sources-u-l-imposing-postseason-hoops-ban/79878760/

[Milhouse]

Lewis shoulda picked Xavier.

[XUFan09]

Really shitty for the two grad transfers who were trying to play in the first NCAA tourney.
No kidding. Trey Lewis had the chance to go to Xavier instead, but Louisville screwed him over.

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[XMuskieFTW]

No kidding. Trey Lewis had the chance to go to Xavier instead, but Louisville screwed him over.

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That's what happens when you make a deal with the devil.

[XUMIOH12]

thats what happens when you choose against Xavier

[Masterofreality]

Wow, so they are thinking they will self impose March ban?


That's what I'm reading.

And that is the case. Self-imposed.

[bobbiemcgee]

Slimeball Pitino with the spin....

[Mel Cooley XU'81]

Slimeball Pitino with the spin....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMIyDf3gBoY

[GoMuskies]

Slimeball Pitino with the spin....

Hey guys, remember when I coached at Kentucky? I'm sure that's what Louisville fans want to hear about, amirite?

[X-Fan]

Lewis shoulda picked Xavier.

Yep, that was my first thought. Dude has to be kicking the crap out of himself. Wow.

[PM Thor]

Look at the timing of this announcement. The Friday before the Super Bowl, when nearly all the media outlets are focusing on Sunday. Louisville, or specifically Pitino, did that deliberately to get as little attention on this as possible. I bet he skates too, meanwhile transfers get punished for crap that didn't involve them.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

He is unless he was a participant. In the end, we will never who did and who didn't. I find it interesting Pitino is making this team fall on the grenade when there are no recruited seniors. Each are transfers.


Yep, that was my first thought. Dude has to be kicking the crap out of himself. Wow.

[GoMuskies]

I find it interesting Pitino is making this team fall on the grenade


Pitino didn't make the decision. As a matter of fact, if you watched the press conference it was pretty clear he was pissed about the decision the school president made.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Then the school is or Pitino was just dishing out an act. Remember this is the guy that banged the chick in his restaurant, wait wasn't the equipment manager's wife? I wouldn't put anything by this guy.


Pitino didn't make the decision. As a matter of fact, if you watched the press conference it was pretty clear he was pissed about the decision the school president made.

[GoMuskies]

No, it wasn't an act. This was the president's call. Pitino wanted to strangle him. Basketball coaches don't get to make these sorts of decisions.

And she didn't become the equipment manager's wife until AFTER she banged Rick in the restaurant. I think the equipment manager was the courier for the abortion money. So the equipment manager and his wife certainly had a "meet cute" to share.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Do you think Pitino is a victim here? Abortion money, nailing chicks in his restaurant, hookers are recruiting events, yeah I think the guy is getting what he deserves. If recruits or transfers can't see the forest for the trees that is their problem.


No, it wasn't an act. This was the president's call. Pitino wanted to strangle him. Basketball coaches don't get to make these sorts of decisions.

And she didn't become the equipment manager's wife until AFTER she banged Rick in the restaurant. I think the equipment manager was the courier for the abortion money. So the equipment manager and his wife certainly had a "meet cute" to share.

[GoMuskies]

Who said Rick is a victim? I just said that he was pissed off. And he was.

[PM Thor]

Think about it though, this only hurts Louisville for one season. This "self imposed" ban for this year comes so late, it obviously doesn't do harm to the program long term. Sure, it stings this year, but it's a calculated move. It removes the ability for players to transfer out, as has happened at other programs. It doesn't impact their recruiting for next year since the ban will be over by then. The seniors are being punished, but the school is only punishing them, not the actual program. No underclassmen are given the chance to leave, the program as a whole isn't taking a hit in the least.

[GoMuskies]

The fan base response is pretty predictable: "Farr that damned Presydint! He done make arr playurs cry!"

[ammtd34]

Think about it though, this only hurts Louisville for one season. This "self imposed" ban for this year comes so late, it obviously doesn't do harm to the program long term. Sure, it stings this year, but it's a calculated move. It removes the ability for players to transfer out, as has happened at other programs. It doesn't impact their recruiting for next year since the ban will be over by then. The seniors are being punished, but the school is only punishing them, not the actual program. No underclassmen are given the chance to leave, the program as a whole isn't taking a hit in the least.

Unless the NCAA imposes further sanctions.

[LA Muskie]

Think about it though, this only hurts Louisville for one season. This "self imposed" ban for this year comes so late, it obviously doesn't do harm to the program long term. Sure, it stings this year, but it's a calculated move. It removes the ability for players to transfer out, as has happened at other programs. It doesn't impact their recruiting for next year since the ban will be over by then. The seniors are being punished, but the school is only punishing them, not the actual program. No underclassmen are given the chance to leave, the program as a whole isn't taking a hit in the least.
There is no guarantee that the NCAA won't impose harsher sanctions. They did, in fact, to both Syracuse and SMU -- albeit in the form of scholarship cuts and coaching suspensions (and not further post-season bans).

[muskiefan82]

Unless the NCAA imposes further sanctions.

This is possible. They are still mad at UNC enough to penalize Louisville.

[Masterofreality]

Wow, so they are thinking they will self impose March ban?

Louisville's "self ban" could be big for a 5th Big East team to get in...That, or some schlock AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC team.

[paulxu]

What Louisville needs is a good Cleveland State somewhere.

If I was UNC Asheville, I'd be really worried about the Chapel Hill investigation.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Yeah last 2 teams in the dance this year should send thank you cards to SMU and Louisville.

[xubrew]

Pitino didn't make the decision. As a matter of fact, if you watched the press conference it was pretty clear he was pissed about the decision the school president made.

Agreed.

I don't think anyone in the entire athletic department knew about this when they got to work this morning. I think it was entirely the president's call, and he was acting under the advice of Chuck Smrt, who used to work for the NCAA but now does consulting.

Smrt probably told him that they were going to get a ban sooner or later. If you self impose it now then you're back to normal next season with the same roster you would have had anyway. If you wait, then it gets dragged out, and there's a bigger chance of getting an even bigger penalty.

I don't think Pitino had anything to do with it. I don't think anyone even asked him, and they probably didn't really ask Jurich either. I think it was all the president.

It's not fair to the current players, especially Lewis and Lee. But, I think the president liked the idea of this all being pretty much over over in two months, so he did it anyway, and didn't really ask anyone in the athletic department what they thought or felt about it. He just did it, and didn't meet with anyone until this morning to tell them what he was going to do.

[xubrew]

Look at the timing of this announcement. The Friday before the Super Bowl, when nearly all the media outlets are focusing on Sunday. Louisville, or specifically Pitino, did that deliberately to get as little attention on this as possible. I bet he skates too, meanwhile transfers get punished for crap that didn't involve them.

Pitino never would have done this. Pitino would have never admitted any wrongdoing. He would have fought any and all sanctions no matter how obvious they were, and then appealed the sanctions after that.

I'm almost one-thousand percent certain that Pitino had NOTHING to do with the decision o self impose a postseason ban.

[chico]

Agreed.

I don't think anyone in the entire athletic department knew about this when they got to work this morning. I think it was entirely the president's call, and he was acting under the advice of Chuck Smrt, who used to work for the NCAA but now does consulting.

Smrt probably told him that they were going to get a ban sooner or later. If you self impose it now then you're back to normal next season with the same roster you would have had anyway. If you wait, then it gets dragged out, and there's a bigger chance of getting an even bigger penalty.

I don't think Pitino had anything to do with it. I don't think anyone even asked him, and they probably didn't really ask Jurich either. I think it was all the president.

It's not fair to the current players, especially Lewis and Lee. But, I think the president liked the idea of this all being pretty much over over in two months, so he did it anyway, and didn't really ask anyone in the athletic department what they thought or felt about it. He just did it, and didn't meet with anyone until this morning to tell them what he was going to do.

Pitino knew - he said so in the news conference. He is a master spreader of bull$hit. Hopefully the next kid who thinks of transferring there remembers this.

And I expect MOR to now call the AAC the "All American Cheaters" conference.

[Milhouse]

I'd put a large sum of money on Pitino leaving on his own accord at seasons end. He can't be happy about this one bit. I'm sure he had ZERO say in the decision.

This is going to come back on them in a big way.

[xavierj]

Pitino knew - he said so in the news conference. He is a master spreader of bull$hit. Hopefully the next kid who thinks of transferring there remembers this.

And I expect MOR to now call the AAC the "All American Cheaters" conference.

Except Louisville is in the ACC....

[chico]

Except Louisville is in the ACC....

Oh, yeah, that minor detail. What the hell was I thinking?

[muskiefan82]

Except Louisville is in the ACC....


Oh, yeah, that minor detail. What the hell was I thinking?

The Also Cheats Conference? Or perhaps Another Conglomeration of Cheaters?

[xu82]

Yeah last 2 teams in the dance this year should send thank you cards to SMU and Louisville.

I think Emily Post wrote an entire chapter on this.

[xubrew]

Oh, yeah, that minor detail. What the hell was I thinking?

Over the past few years both have proven to be very good at self imposing bans to otherwise tournament caliber teams. UConn (albeit I guess they were technically still in the old Big East), SMU, Syracuse, Louisville, and pretty soon North Carolina. It's easy to get confused. Don't feel bad.

[PM Thor]

There is no guarantee that the NCAA won't impose harsher sanctions. They did, in fact, to both Syracuse and SMU -- albeit in the form of scholarship cuts and coaching suspensions (and not further post-season bans).

I hope the NCAA does hit them more too. At least in that case it gives the players a chance to transfer out. This self imposed ban is a farce and isn't fair to the players this year at all. Louisville knew what they were doing by doing it this year and not next year.

[XUFan09]

I wish players could claim hardship waiver on a transfer when it's a self-imposed ban, considering that the ban is only there to preempt the NCAA.

[xubrew]

I wish players could claim hardship waiver on a transfer when it's a self-imposed ban, considering that the ban is only there to preempt the NCAA.

They are almost always given a waiver if it happens before the start of the school year. The problem with this is that it was levied during the season,

[Xavgrad08]

Pat Forde tweeted "University president James Ramsey said he consulted with Tom Jurich and made decision on postseason ban. Did not mention consulting Rick Pitino".

I find it interesting that the university president keeps mentioning that he supports Tom Jurich. He is not mentioning supporting Pitino. I think there is a divide between Pitino and the president. Remember in the fall when Pitino went on his radio rant and had this quote"sorry U of L president James Ramsey didn't think enough to mention me in release today".

I think Pitino will be asked to retire after the season, or his huge ego will be upset about the way he has not been included and he leaves for UNLV.

Link is old, but I thinks it gives insight into the situation.
http://www.thecardinalconnect.com/pitino-not-mentioned-in-president-ramseys-statement-pitino-didnt-seem-pleased/

[Xville]

Ncaa needs to revamp this whole thing....the school needs to be punished, not players who had zero to do with this.

Anyways regarding ramsey...he's a piece of crap who has had a lot of issues come up in the past year or so outside of athletics. I'm shocked that he hasn't been canned yet. However this is the same school that hired petrino again and didn't fire Pitino after his first indiscretion, so I guess I should not be surprised.

[xavierj]

Ncaa needs to revamp this whole thing....the school needs to be punished, not players who had zero to do with this.

Anyways regarding ramsey...he's a piece of crap who has had a lot of issues come up in the past year or so outside of athletics. I'm shocked that he hasn't been canned yet. However this is the same school that hired petrino again and didn't fire Pitino after his first indiscretion, so I guess I should not be surprised.

Maybe they should look at the AD, as he hires these guys and protects Rick. I think he always gets a free pass for some reason, but I guess he has done a Pretty good job, success wise, with all sports at of U of L.

[GoMuskies]

Jurich is bulletproof and deserves it.

[XMuskieFTW]

Has anyone heard this in regard to Mack? It was on some Kentucky radio program.

What’s going on with the Louisville situation, why haven’t we heard anything?

"Matt says no one knows whats going to happen with the UofL situation right now. We probably won’t until the notice of allegations eventually comes out. He acknowledges there was a time where Louisville was talking about getting rid of Rick Pitino because they thought they were going to get hammered by the NCAA. They contacted Chris Mack to see if he would be interested and take the job if it was available, and he would have."

http://kentuckysportsradio.com/main/ksr-after-show-thats-exactly-right-7716/

[GoMuskies]

I haven't heard that, but I think it's a pretty safe assumption that Mack would be extremely, extremely tempted to take that job if the opportunity became available.

[GuyFawkes38]

Yeah, I like Mack. But he is not Jay Wright. Like nearly all head coaches, he seems interested in other jobs (which is fine). I bet he has a list of 5 schools that he would be extremely interested in. Louisville is likely on that list.

To me, Louisville seems like a very stressful job. Annoying fan base that has ridiculous expectations. They demand Final Fours. Fan base will likely harass your family at the grocery store if you don't do well. It's a job that could get you fired in 4 years.

[X-band '01]

Has anyone heard this in regard to Mack? It was on some Kentucky radio program.

What’s going on with the Louisville situation, why haven’t we heard anything?

"Matt says no one knows whats going to happen with the UofL situation right now. We probably won’t until the notice of allegations eventually comes out. He acknowledges there was a time where Louisville was talking about getting rid of Rick Pitino because they thought they were going to get hammered by the NCAA. They contacted Chris Mack to see if he would be interested and take the job if it was available, and he would have."

http://kentuckysportsradio.com/main/ksr-after-show-thats-exactly-right-7716/

I noticed that the Marlins Superfan was mentioned in that article - is there any chance we see him at the next Villanova-Xavier game? He seems to be at just about every significant sporting event in the past 2 years.


I haven't heard that, but I think it's a pretty safe assumption that Mack would be extremely, extremely tempted to take that job if the opportunity became available.

I don't think this is the first time Mack has been mentioned as far as the Louisville job eventually opening.


Yeah, I like Mack. But he is not Jay Wright. Like nearly all head coaches, he seems interested in other jobs (which is fine). I bet he has a list of 5 schools that he would be extremely interested in. Louisville is likely on that list.

To me, Louisville seems like a very stressful job. Annoying fan base that has ridiculous expectations. They demand Final Fours. Fan base will likely harass your family at the grocery store if you don't do well. It's a job that could get you fired in 4 years.

In other words, he would be Sean Miller 2.0, but with more dough at Louisville.

[GoMuskies]

It's a job that could get you fired in 4 years.


Though, as I've mentioned before in this thread, they've had essentially 3 coaches in the last 70 years, and they're all in the Hall of Fame.

So maybe it could....but it's never actually happened.

[BandAid]

Louisville would be a smart destination for Mack. Not far from "home". Huge program. Deep checkbooks. If I was in his shoes it'd be a no-brainer.

[casualfan]

I said when Mack almost left for Cal that it was Christy who vetoed the move and that they then sat down and came up with a list of schools she would agree to.

Louisville is at the top of that list for obvious reasons.

[GuyFawkes38]

I said when Mack almost left for Cal that it was Christy who vetoed the move and that they then sat down and came up with a list of schools she would agree to.

Louisville is at the top of that list for obvious reasons.

Anybody else surprised Mack was so interested in Cal? Makes me question his judgement.

[X-band '01]

Anybody else surprised Mack was so interested in Cal? Makes me question his judgement.

The timing of the Cal opening followed the aftermath of some incident in 2011.

[STL_XUfan]

The timing of the Cal opening followed the aftermath of some incident in 2011.
And a new boss

[LA Muskie]

And Berkeley is frickin gorgeous.


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[waggy]

I said when Mack almost left for Cal that it was Christy who vetoed the move and that they then sat down and came up with a list of schools she would agree to.

Louisville is at the top of that list for obvious reasons.


Hahaha. You are so full of chit.

[GuyFawkes38]

And Berkeley is frickin gorgeous.


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I'm sure it's a nice place to visit. But there are 30 plus schools where I'd rather be.

[Xville]

I'm thinking that when the louisville job opens up, mack will be called and he will be the coach there. It just makes too much sense. It's close to cincy, there is family in louisville, he would make anywhere from 3 to 5 times what he is making at X, and it's a top 10 if not top 5 basketball program. Of course this is all dependent on if Pitino leaves in the next few years, and Mack keeps having success.

[xu82]

Yet another thread I hate....

[Roadlife]

http://www.wave3.com/clip/11464191/wake-up-call-chris-mack-rumors

[X-band '01]

A little dated link - unless Florida is searching for a head coach again?

[xubrew]

Has anyone heard this in regard to Mack? It was on some Kentucky radio program.

What’s going on with the Louisville situation, why haven’t we heard anything?

"Matt says no one knows whats going to happen with the UofL situation right now. We probably won’t until the notice of allegations eventually comes out. He acknowledges there was a time where Louisville was talking about getting rid of Rick Pitino because they thought they were going to get hammered by the NCAA. They contacted Chris Mack to see if he would be interested and take the job if it was available, and he would have."

http://kentuckysportsradio.com/main/ksr-after-show-thats-exactly-right-7716/

Matt Jones is about as much of an insider at Louisville as you and I are. I wouldn't give this any attention at all. Maybe they contacted Mack and maybe they didn't, but what Matt Jones says is hardly proof of it either way.

[X-band '01]

The NCAA has released a Notice of Allegations against Louisville for the stripper scandal:

GoCards.com - NCAA Notice of Allegations Against Louisville (http://sidearm.sites.s3.amazonaws.com/gocards.com/documents/2016/10/20/gen_102016_news.pdf)

GoCards.com - Full Louisville Press Release (http://gocards.com/news/2016/10/20/general-ncaa-notice-of-allegations-released.aspx)

There are 4 Level-I violations involved. 2 of them are tied to former assistant Andre McGee, 1 of them to former assistant Brandon Williams, and the final one to Rick Pitino for failing to monitor his assistants. Louisville will now have 90 days to respond and is expected to appear before the Committee on Infractions in the spring of 2017. Louisville has indicated that they will dispute the allegation against Pitino - he could be looking at a similar penalty that was handed down to Larry Brown and Jim Boeheim last season - the maximum penalty being a show-cause against Pitino.

[xubrew]

Based on the new rules, I don't see how they can successfully dispute the one against Pitino. The new rule is that the coach is in charge so even if they can prove they didn't know about it, it still doesn't matter.

I think they'll dodge a postseason ban. Well, at least an additional one. The reason I think this is that it names individuals and not the institution as a whole, and because they've already self imposed a ban.

[xubrew]

Oh this is a FANTASTIC statement from Louisville's press release....


The NOA does contain a narrower allegation – which we will dispute - that Coach Pitino failed to demonstrate that he monitored Mr. McGee.


I think the fact that there were strippers in the dorm entertaining recruits, and that a book was written about it, may be an indication that Mr. McGee was not properly monitored.

[X-band '01]

They self imposed a postseason ban last year along with scholarship reductions.

My prediction is that Pitino has to sit out 9 games for the 2017-18 season. The million dollar question then becomes whether or not he sits out at the beginning like Larry Brown or midseason like Jim Boeheim (and end up missing the Kentucky and a number of ACC games).

[xudash]

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/columnists/paul-daugherty/2016/10/20/doc-time-uc-find-better-big-brother/92483636/

Maybe the article makes some UC fans feel good in a way, but I have to imagine the vast majority of them would want UC to trade places with UL in a heartbeat.

All the scandal crap can be cleaned up and UL will move on, and they'll do so with a lot of money and a P5 affiliation, unlike UC.

Now I picture YTG sitting in the very last seat of a regional turbo-prop - the one right next to the toilet - slammed against his window seat by a 250 lb. guy sitting next to him, while on his way to land a 3* recruit in Arkansas, as he looks out the window to see Chris Mack's private jet taxing for takeoff for Big East meetings in New York, and Pitino's private jet taxing for takeoff for "strategic meetings" in Vegas.

[GoMuskies]

There's no chance this from Doc's article is true:

"When the ACC voted to add the Cardinals in July, 2014, to replace the newly departed Maryland, I was told that the Cardinals' acceptance took more than one vote. UC was part of the initial balloting. The first ballot was tied. UC and U of L, dead even."

[muskiefan82]

Perhaps the question being asked was, "which of these programs do you dislike more?" Then it makes sense.

[X-band '01]

That was too close Dash - I'm not clicking on Paul Daugherty's pontificating garbage.

[Xville]

Obviously not condoning what Louisville did here, but give me a freaking break Doc sitting there in your ivory tower. He'd give his left and his right ball sack (if he actually had either of those) to be what Louisville has become..hooker scandal or not. There are way worse things going on at big time universities than what occurred inside of those dorms...again not saying that what they did was ok, but get a grip Doc.

[xudash]

That was too close Dash - I'm not clicking on Paul Daugherty's pontificating garbage.

My apologies band.

I just think it's funny that he felt compelled to write a worthless "soothing ointment piece" for the benefit of all the demoralized Bearkitten fans, as if any of them truly prefer the high moral road versus P5 status and all that money.

The more I think about all this, the more I come to the conclusion that, while it would have been better in some respects for UC to have made it into the Big 12, I'm rather okay with the idea of them being banished to mid-major'dome for the immediate duration. They would have become insufferable had they made it.

It's like Churchill once said about the Germans: "they're either at your throat or at your feet." I prefer the kittens to be at our feet. Besides, UC as an institution seems to be doing okay anyway. It wouldn't be right for its fans to get too bigheaded; that wouldn't be good for them.

[xubrew]

There's no chance this from Doc's article is true:

"When the ACC voted to add the Cardinals in July, 2014, to replace the newly departed Maryland, I was told that the Cardinals' acceptance took more than one vote. UC was part of the initial balloting. The first ballot was tied. UC and U of L, dead even."

Well, the bolded part may be true, the the assertion is ridiculous.

From UL's point of view, the Louisville vs UC game was, at best, a showcase game in the years UC was really good (which were admittedly several). When it wasn't that it was just another conference game. There was no real rivalry here. It's Michigan vs Purdue. Yes, there are years in both football and basketball where that is a big game, but there's no real rivalry there outside of it being a conference game. Kentucky and Memphis were really the only two teams that Louisville viewed as rivalries. That's not to say that there weren't other big games, or other games that got intense, but they never rose to the level of being a regular heated rivalry. UC was not Louisville's rival. I've lived in both cities and I actually find it funny that UC fans try and look at it as if it were a rivalry game. There wasn't nearly enough hate for it to rise to that level. Not even close.

[X-band '01]

True, but the UC-Louisville football game was also a trophy game (Keg of Nails). But to Brew's point, that would be like saying that Ohio State-Illinois is a huge rivalry just because of the Illibuck trophy. Illinois would consider OSU a rival in football, but OSU isn't reciprocating (even when the Illini are respectable or pulling Rose Bowl bids out of the blue).

[GoMuskies]

Louisville lost their appeal. Rick Pitino will get a break for part of next season.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18984839/ncaa-stands-belief-coach-rick-pitino-failed-monitor-team-wake-andrew-mcgee-scandal

[LA Muskie]

This is dangerous. I could very easily see a scenario in which Pitino essentially says "screw you" to the NCAA and takes his talents to the NBA.


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[GoMuskies]

This is dangerous. I could very easily see a scenario in which Pitino essentially says "screw you" to the NCAA and takes his talents to the NBA.


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That would be awesome.

[bleedXblue]

This is dangerous. I could very easily see a scenario in which Pitino essentially says "screw you" to the NCAA and takes his talents to the NBA.


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Pitino is like 65 years old has a plum job. He does not want to go back to coaching 82 games a year with all of the travel and bullshit. Not going to happen IMHO

[LA Muskie]

Pitino is like 65 years old has a plum job. He does not want to go back to coaching 82 games a year with all of the travel and bullshit. Not going to happen IMHO

Coaching college is infinitely more work than the NBA. College coaching is a 12 month per year job. NBA is 9-10 months.


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[bleedXblue]

Coaching college is infinitely more work than the NBA. College coaching is a 12 month per year job. NBA is 9-10 months.


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LOL and how much work is Pitino really doing? He just got caught speeding b/c he wasn't as engaged as he should have been with Strippergate.

[bleedXblue]

Guys like Pitino, Coach K, Roy etc. have players come to them. They have their pick of the best talent every year. They are not working nearly as hard as just about every their coach in America.

[xavierj]

Rick isn't going anywhere until he says I am retiring from Louisville. See in about 5 years

[LA Muskie]

Guys like Pitino, Coach K, Roy etc. have players come to them. They have their pick of the best talent every year. They are not working nearly as hard as just about every their coach in America.

It's true that recruits come to them. But my understanding is that that group in particular recruits pretty competitively against one another. I suspect they are on the road a lot.


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[GoMuskies]

Four years probation, 5 game ACC suspension for Tricky Rick and possible title abdication. Tough blow.

[paulxu]

If Pitino's 5 game suspension is for the sex scandal, what is the situation about "ineligible student athletes" who played that might cause them to have to vacate games and maybe the championship?
Guess I've been under a rock and missed that part of the whole deal.

[GoMuskies]

They'd be ineligible because they were friends with improper benefits with the hookers.

[muskiefan82]

Does Michigan become Champion?

[Xville]

Vacating a title is the dumbest thing that the NCAA does...I mean really who cares? Sports radio here is acting like it would be some kind of death blow....it still happened...who gives a crap.

Louisville got off pretty easy in my opinion

[bjf123]

Does Michigan become Champion?

No. They would become the runner up to no one.


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[bourbonman]

Louisville got off pretty easy in my opinion

Maybe. I'm still curious of what they will do with North Carolina, if they ever do.

[bobbiemcgee]

Four years probation, 5 game ACC suspension for Tricky Rick and possible title abdication. Tough blow.

Slap on the wrist, imho. Pitino should be gone.

[xubrew]

When compared to other similar cases in regards to failure to monitor, this is actually rather steep. McGee got a ten year show cause, and everyone else on the staff got a one year show cause. Their recruiting has been pretty much reduced to zero for the next year.

The thing about vacating tournament wins is that you have to pay back the money. That's not a small amount.

I don't feel sorry for them, but this is more than what schools typically get, especially when you consider what was already self imposed. So much so that I wonder if there were things in the report that weren't made available to the public.

[ReturnOfTheMack]

Slap on the wrist, imho. Pitino should be gone.

Well, why don't we just thank our lucky stars that he isn't, if you catch my drift...

[GoMuskies]

Slap on the wrist, imho. Pitino should be gone.

Well, he might not be gone, but give him 15 seconds and he'll be done.

[xeus]

Louisville got off pretty easy in my opinion

That's what she said.

[xu82]

well, why don't we just thank our lucky stars that he isn't, if you catch my drift...

amen!!!

[xu82]

That's what she said.

Did she say it in an Italian restaurant?

[ReturnOfTheMack]

A couple of things regarding this dumpster fire...

First, as I mentioned earlier, we should probably be thankful that the ultimate hammer wasn't dropped on UL thus costing Slick Rick his job. We all know what that would have meant in terms of another week or so of tense buttholes on Victory Pkwy wondering if Mack was leaving again. The fact Pitino escaped the noose once again and UofL is facing four years of limited scholarships should bode well in terms of that job not being available or very desirable for at least a couple of more years.

Secondly, I just realized today that our AD Greg Christopher was actually on this particular committee of NCAA Rules Infractions and this committee held court in Cincinnati for the duration of the investigation and ruling.

Lastly, for all of those cracking the jokes about Rick and his "15 seconds of shame" at the Italian joint down in Louisville; Do yourselves a favor and listen to the Barstool Sport's podcast Pardon My Take from a couple of months ago featuring Matt Jones. For those of you who don't know, Matt Jones is a Louisville based attorney who is also the curator and host of Kentucky Sports Radio. He actually sat in on the Pitino extortion case and was privy to some salacious testimony that wasn't necessarily public knowledge. He sings like a bird on this podcast and you will absolutely lose your mind when you hear some of this stuff. I don't have the fortitude to find a link to that podcast right now, maybe I will in the morning. It's not difficult to find though. It's totally worth it. Let's just say Rick admits to the whole 15 second deal and also "dribbling down his own leg"... and I don't mean the basketball.

[GoMuskies]

Matt Jones is a horrible human being, so no thanks.

[xu82]

Jay Bilas thinks this punishment was unfair. And....... He's still a pompous ass.

[bleedXblue]

Rick Pitino is a joke and I have no respect whatsoever for Louisville.

Guy is an adulterer and then allows this to happen on his watch. Has zero moral integrity.

All Louisville cares about is winning.

Add in the Pitrino situation.

What a joke they are.

[xubrew]

Louisville is appealing. The basis of their appeal seems to be that they don't like the sanctions.

WELL!

Sounds solid!!

[X-band '01]

Rick Pitino is a joke and I have no respect whatsoever for Louisville.

Guy is an adulterer and then allows this to happen on his watch. Has zero moral integrity.

All Louisville cares about is winning.

Add in the Pitrino situation.

What a joke they are.

Adultery is the LEAST of Louisville/Pitino's problems here.

[X-band '01]

I should also add that if this were North Carolina, they might claim something to the effect that only the local authorities (and NOT the NCAA) have the authority to punish the university over a prostitution ring.

[ReturnOfTheMack]

Matt Jones is a horrible human being, so no thanks.

I completely agree. I am diametrically opposed to his politics and his general disposition towards life/sports in general but... his first-hand account of Pitino's testimony is worth its weight in gold. Just listen and thank me later.

http://www.barstoolsports.com/chicago/pardon-my-take-2-27-with-matt-jones-kentucky-sports-radio-rear-admiral-and-not-mark-cuban/

[xubrew]

The banner is coming down. Long story short, after looking at the report and seeing why the players were ruled ineligible and that it was more than just a failure to monitor issue, they were ruled ineligible because the University ruled them ineligible and sent the NCAA a chart of the games that the ineligible players played in.

That's it. There is no grounds for appeal once you do that. None. A lot of the NCAA is gray, but when it comes to eligibility it is actually rather black and white. The punishment for using ineligible players is always the same, and since it was Louisville who ruled them ineligible, then they essentially cannot retract it and claim to be not guilty after they have already pleaded guilty. They can appeal, but they will lose.

[paulxu]

Apparently you are still eligible if you are taking fake classes though.

[xubrew]

Apparently you are still eligible if you are taking fake classes though.

If it's part of the approved institutional curriculum and open to the entire student body, then yes, you are.

UNC's problem isn't the NCAA. It's SACSCOC. In the world of academia, that's a lot worse.

[muskiefan82]

If it's part of the approved institutional curriculum and open to the entire student body, then yes, you are.

UNC's problem isn't the NCAA. It's SACSCOC. In the world of academia, that's a lot worse.

SACSCOC? Someone should have looked at that acronym before using it.

[xubrew]

SACSCOC? Someone should have looked at that acronym before using it.

I for one think it is very appropriate considering the part of the country that it oversees and many of the schools that it oversees.

[X-band '01]

UNC already completed their probation with SACSCOC - they'd be in deeper trouble if new allegations of athletic fraud were to come out.