The Pope

[GoMuskies]

So, who's fired up for our first visit from the Big F?

[muskiefan82]

Guido Sarducci would have been psyched.

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[mistabeecee41]

Not I. I'll be fleeing the city of Philadelphia on Thursday. The port-o-potty to human ratio on my walk to work this morning was about 3/1.

[MADXSTER]

Will he be meeting the Xavier Popes?

[X-band '01]

Will he be meeting the Xavier Popes?

Hopefully the Xavier Popes have not been defrocked.

[PM Thor]

I truly am. Whenever he twists the screw to supposed Christian politicians, I gain that more respect for the man. Yeah, he's a man. Ermahgerd gonna burn for that one.

[GoMuskies]

You're going to burn for saying the pope's a man?!? Maybe for suggesting that it should be a woman, but I think you're safe in not thinking Francis is a more than a man.

[PM Thor]

GO, as the head of the Church, he's infallible....thus more than a man. Some people find this as truth. Just sayin'

[GoMuskies]

Are you Catholic? You can't be if you think the Pope is infallible. He CAN be, but as a rule, no. Francis has yet to be infallible.

[OH.X.MI]

GO, as the head of the Church, he's infallible....thus more than a man. Some people find this as truth. Just sayin'

That is a common misconception. The Holy Father himself, as a man and in his role as a Pope, is not infallible. Certain ex cathedra declarations, however, can be deemed infallible. And infallible declarations, outside of formal canonization which take a long rigorous review, are actually very rare. While there is some dispute about this, I was always taught that there have actually only been two infallible declarations in church history - the immaculate conception and the assumption of Mary.

[OH.X.MI]

And yes - I am very excited for the visit!

[vee4xu]

Hopefully the Xavier Popes have not been defrocked.

Or de-flowered. And yes, I am happy that Francis is visiting the US.

[GoMuskies]

If I was in the area, I would definitely make the effort to go see him. I've been to the Vatican a couple of times, but no Pope sighting. One of the two times I tried to get into the Sistine Chapel, and it was closed. I got back to my hotel room and saw PJPII doing a baptism in the Sistine Chapel. How holy ($$$$) do you have to be to get your kid baptized by the Pope?

[xeus]

GO, as the head of the Church, he's infallible....thus more than a man. Some people find this as truth. Just sayin'

Wrong. From the Catechism:

890 The mission of the Magisterium is linked to the definitive nature of the covenant established by God with his people in Christ. It is this Magisterium's task to preserve God's people from deviations and defections and to guarantee them the objective possibility of professing the true faith without error. Thus, the pastoral duty of the Magisterium is aimed at seeing to it that the People of God abides in the truth that liberates. To fulfill this service, Christ endowed the Church's shepherds with the charism of infallibility in matters of faith and morals. The exercise of this charism takes several forms:

891 "The Roman Pontiff, head of the college of bishops, enjoys this infallibility in virtue of his office, when, as supreme pastor and teacher of all the faithful - who confirms his brethren in the faith he proclaims by a definitive act a doctrine pertaining to faith or morals. . . . The infallibility promised to the Church is also present in the body of bishops when, together with Peter's successor, they exercise the supreme Magisterium," above all in an Ecumenical Council.418 When the Church through its supreme Magisterium proposes a doctrine "for belief as being divinely revealed,"419 and as the teaching of Christ, the definitions "must be adhered to with the obedience of faith."420 This infallibility extends as far as the deposit of divine Revelation itself.421

Let me guess - you're one of those people who think the Pope really said what was on that widely circulated facebook meme: "It is not necessary to believe in God to be a good person. In a way, the traditional notion of God is outdated. One can be spiritual but not religious. It is not necessary to go to church and give money— for many, nature can be a church. Some of the best people in history do not believe in God, while some of the worst deeds were done in His name." Well, he didn't.

I love how many people have embraced this Pope. He is charismatic and humble, and is reaching people in new ways. He is not radically changing Catholicism the way the liberal media would have you believe, but is making some important (and rather obvious) changes that make the Church more open. he is truly leading this Year of Mercy. I think this Pope is just what the doctor ordered for the Catholic Church.

[PM Thor]

Ok so I'm wrong, but going from he Catechism from 1300 years ago?

And I never heard that facebook meme, so don't try to pigeonhole me with what you think I might believe.

I too love this Pope. He is making many politicians, not just American politicians, very uncomfortable. I think that is great. You think Fidel Castro is cool with his visit? You think that he is OK with the status quo? I love a Pope who makes people question things. I bet he says things on his trip to the US that will make some go apoplectic, perchance leave the Church. That's not a bad thing.

[xeus]

Ok so I'm wrong, but going from he Catechism from 1300 years ago?

The Catechism is from 23 years ago.

[PM Thor]

The Catechism is from 23 years ago.

What's the difference?

[Kahns Krazy]

1277.

[OH.X.MI]

I will say that I take issue with the notion that the Pope, as asserted by both liberal and conservative American media/politicians, is making overtly political statements. Most of the issues the Pope comments on are not political, or even uniquely Catholic. They are theological issues which concern all of us. While the Church surely has to recognize political realties, the message of Francis transcends America's obsession with political ideology. I just hope his messages don't get too drowned in the rating hysteria commentary of Fox and NBC.

How will democrats react to abortion? How will republicans react to global warming? Such a fixation is surely missing the point.

[xeus]

I too love this Pope. He is making many politicians, not just American politicians, very uncomfortable. I think that is great. You think Fidel Castro is cool with his visit? You think that he is OK with the status quo? I love a Pope who makes people question things. I bet he says things on his trip to the US that will make some go apoplectic, perchance leave the Church. That's not a bad thing.

I have loved all of the Popes in our lifetime. I don't suddenly "love" a Pope because I think he "gets it". Why do you think he is making politicians any more or less uncomfortable than other Popes? Do you think previous Popes were comfortable with the status quo? Do you remember JPII, and do you know anything about his role in ending communism? Talk about changing the status quo and making some world leaders uncomfortable!

Also - I don't think you understand Pope Francis if you think people leaving the Church is "not a bad thing".

[LutherRackleyRulez]

Per Salon......


The Patron Saint of the Left



http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/09/pope_francis_in_the_united_states_why_he_isn_t_the _liberal_rock_star_american.html

[murray87]

I wonder what he said to that murdering dictator Castro.

[GoMuskies]

I wonder what he said to that murdering dictator Castro.

Maybe he fed him some applesauce. Pretty sure he has dementia and is on his deathbed.

[XUOFM]

I am! Actually on my way to DC right now for the Junipero Serra Canonization Mass tomorrow. Should be an incredible event. Please keep me in your prayers and I'll be praying for the XH community!

[SemajParlor]

I wonder what he said to that murdering dictator Castro.

I was going to reply, but then i realized it would probably unnecessarily spark something - So I'll edit and leave it as I'm excited for the visit.

[DC Muskie]

I love a Pope who makes people question things. I bet he says things on his trip to the US that will make some go apoplectic, perchance leave the Church. That's not a bad thing.[/COLOR][/B]

This makes zero sense. And I'm pretty sure not the Holy Father's goal.

[PM Thor]

This makes zero sense. And I'm pretty sure not the Holy Father's goal.

I know it's not his goal, and I wrote it poorly (drinks were involved). I meant that making people question things isn't a bad thing, not the "leaving the church" part.

[DC Muskie]

I don't mean to pick on you here, but the entire thing is written poorly.

First the Pope certainly doesn't "make" anyone "do" anything, let alone "think" or "question." His goal is not to make people apoplectic either.

His goal is make sure people understand the Joy of the Gospel in service of others. And do it in a way that excites people. No one wants a Church that simply bends and sways with what people want to "think" about. We want a Church that people ask the question, "What more can I do to be a servant of God?"

[GoMuskies]

We want a Church that people ask the question, "What more can I do to be a servant of God?"

Speak for yourself.

[Snipe]

The Catechism is from 23 years ago.

I don't recognize anything post Vatican II.

[Snipe]

Not a big fan of the Pope. He is a big fan of socialism and Global Warming, and to him "the science is settled".

Science is never settled. Someone should bring up Galileo. The Church once held an "official view" that the sun revolved around the Earth. I can back that up if anyone disagrees. They don't have a great record on climate issues. Sorry for pointing that out. Challenge me on that and I will whip this thing out.

The Pope comes from South America. Argentina actually. Argentina has had an economy that was equal to that of the United States around 1900. I think Jesse James actually went down there. It was a panececa. Since 1900, it may surprise you but the United States has far outpaced the rest of the free world to currently hold the title of the world's largest and most dynamic economy. Argentina since 1900 has not fared as well. They did have a love affair with national socialism, and they even attracted some prominent national socialists from Europe after WWII. In fact, they have nationalized the oil industry just in the last decade alone, after their economy completely failed in foreign exchange and collapsed just 15 or so years ago in 2000. Not a big fan of the Argentinian economy. Most Argentinians are not either.

I am a fan of the Argentinian people though. Here is a little tidbit. they are 90% white. That is incredible. I think they are currently the Whitest country in the world. White people will be a minority in our country per the census in 2042. So you got about 25 years. Your kids might not be respected because of White Racism. That is not long from now. They are a country of all White People. One of the reasons why that might help is that in times of struggle you don't have a lot of internecine warfare. When they riot against the government they do it as one people, because they basically are one people. You don't have some low rent amalgamation of blacks against whites against asians against Hispanics. They are all White, 90% in fact so they don't have those type of problems. And not having those type of problems is a benefit to some people, in fact that is exactly what they want to have.

And are they taking thousands of Syrians? Are you serious? Why would that be a good idea? To note for the record, taking thousands of Syrians has not been demonstratively positive to be a good idea, for anyone and that is not Syrian.

Now see if you were an American, you aren't allowed to say that. But in Argentina, it is obvious. I root for them. They play some good soccer.

Is the Pope communist? Is he a National Socialist? How the hell would I know. But many dedicated Communists had to shed that skin and become Environmentalists and Socialists. Not kidding about that, and it isn't hard to show the nexus. This Pope surprisingly is not a big fan of Capitalism. I am not a big fan of Capital C Capitalism because that definition can be manipulated. I don't think that the Pope is communist for the record. He is probably more of a socialist, as Argentina is mostly National Socialist. Now if that sounds like a Nazi reference, it both is and it isn't. I don't think Agentina is some sort of Nazi state, but I do believe that National Socialism is alive and well there. This has been the case for at least 50 years. The results are not mixed in my opinion, the results do not favor Argentina on the world stage.

I think capitalism gets a bad rap. Argentina fails and it is a failure of Capitalism, even though they didn't practice it. Even the Soviet Union can be used to show the excess of Capitalism, even though they had nothing to do with capitalism.


Take Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union, and this was done with the blessing of the US Government, the Harvard Elite, and of course the bought off Russian Government:


Why didn't the press do a good job of covering Russian corruption and the Harvard scandal? Well, who was disproportionately involved in the corruption at both the Russian and Harvard ends? I, for one, had no idea until I read Amy Chua's 2003 book World on Fire about "market dominant minorities," that six of the seven "oligarchs" who paid for Boris Yeltsin's 1996 re-election in return for the privilege of buying ex-Soviet properties at absurdly low prices (e.g., Mikhail B. Khodorkovsky was put in charge of auctioning off Yukos Oil, which owns about 2% of the world's oil reserves -- he sold it for $159 million to ... himself) were Jewish. (Five Jewish on both sides of the family, one on one side). And that's in a country where the Jewish population is about one percent.


I am a fan however of the free market and the concept of the "price mechanism".. We use the free market and the price mechanism to allocate scarce goods and resources. The real engine that we have is with this so called "price mechanism", which is in fact the market. It is Adam Smith's "Invisible Hand". That is what has helped propel people to such prosperity. But those Russian Jews would argue that they used the free market and the "price mechanism" too. And they had American academics from Harvard to back that up.

Do we have the most efficient system? If we are talking about theory, hell no. You could probably devise a better system for a world that doesn't exist. But for the world that does exist, we have the best game running. Argentina doesn't have a better system. Free Trade and using the Price Mechanism is a better system. Nationalizing all of your Oil Companies does have some benefits, but after those benefits are spent you have compromised your price mechanism and it's efficient allocation of resources.



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[DC Muskie]

Awesome, Snipe chimes in with his thoughts on the Pope and it looks like he passed out before he finished.

[GoMuskies]

Snipe should watch Evita.

[OH.X.MI]

Not a big fan of the Pope.

I'm surprised any one is after reading the facts you posted. A Nazi Pope? Goodness me!

[Xville]

Sorry for pointing that out. Challenge me on that and I will whip this thing out.



Whoa! Easy there...this is a family site.

[muskiefan82]

We u

Did you mean Wii U? Is this all a game to you? :jumpforjoy:

[xu82]

Awesome, Snipe chimes in with his thoughts on the Pope and it looks like he passed out before he finished.

This is merely Intermission.

[nuts4xu]

Not a big fan of the Pope.

I love the pope, and all the popes that have come before him. Well, except the Xavier Popes. They were like Hitler....in the beginning, the Xavier Popes did good things. Towards the end of their run, they went all bat shit crazy and did some f**ked up things.

But Pope Francis is a Jesuit, and a man for the poor. He is in our country right now, and I welcome him and his pope-mobile to our nation. I talked to a buddy of mine who lives outside of Philadelphia. The city has basically told people to act like there is a snow storm, and don't come out of your house until Tuesday. Public schools in Philly are closed through Tuesday, because of the road closures.

Not many people can bring a city the size of Philadelphia to a grinding hault. Rocky Balboa did back in the day, but that is it. The Beatles didn't even shut down the city the way the pope has. It is great to behold, one of our Jesuit brothers, and the great Pope of our day, St. Francis is a rock star. I expect a few blind people to see, a few deaf people to begin to hear, and a few crippled people beginning to walk after this weekend in Philly.

[NY44]

We use the free market and the price mechanism to allocate scarce goods and resources. The real engine that we have is with this so called "price mechanism", which is in fact the market. It is Adam Smith's "Invisible Hand". That is what has helped propel people to such prosperity. But those Russian Jews would argue that they used the free market and the "price mechanism" too. And they had American academics from Harvard to back that up.

New game, pick out a paragraph of a Snipe post and ask someone to guess what the thread topic is.

[X-man]

I am a fan however of the free market and the concept of the "price mechanism".. We use the free market and the price mechanism to allocate scarce goods and resources. The real engine that we have is with this so called "price mechanism", which is in fact the market. It is Adam Smith's "Invisible Hand". That is what has helped propel people to such prosperity. But those Russian Jews would argue that they used the free market and the "price mechanism" too. And they had American academics from Harvard to back that up.



But Adam Smith, unlike Snipe apparently, also recognized the many shortcomings of markets in terms of getting things "right" in terms of efficiency. The requirements necessary to conclude that market outcomes lead to the best pattern of resource use for a society are virtually never met. And I am not even talking about the whole income distribution issue which Pope Francis is focused on.

[SemajParlor]

New game, pick out a paragraph of a Snipe post and ask someone to guess what the thread topic is.

Snipe saying he doesn't trust this particular Pope on climate change because of poor a Vatican track record from 500 years ago is a sneaky all time great Xavier Hoops moment.

[xeus]

And are they taking thousands of Syrians? Are you serious? Why would that be a good idea? To note for the record, taking thousands of Syrians has not been demonstratively positive to be a good idea, for anyone and that is not Syrian.

This is from a Snipe post a few years ago on a thread about Kenny Frease and his struggles on the free throw line.

[waggy]

You can hardly take a smoke break without running into a Syrian jihadist.


King Kenny!

[muskiefan82]

And are they taking thousands of Syrians? Are you serious? Why would that be a good idea? To note for the record, taking thousands of Syrians has not been demonstratively positive to be a good idea, for anyone and that is not Syrian.


Syriasly? I would; however, like to thank Snipe for helping us all get through the offseason by taking our minds off the lack of basketball or, I suppose, by making us think too much about how there is no basketball to talk about. Thanks Snipe! Also, if you are Snipe, is your wife Sniper?

[MADXSTER]

State-owned companies now control more than 75% of all crude oil production.

[X-band '01]

Snipe's unintended humor is his tribute to the late great Yogi Berra.

[Strange Brew]

But Adam Smith, unlike Snipe apparently, also recognized the many shortcomings of markets in terms of getting things "right" in terms of efficiency. The requirements necessary to conclude that market outcomes lead to the best pattern of resource use for a society are virtually never met. And I am not even talking about the whole income distribution issue which Pope Francis is focused on.

Please explain what you mean by efficiency. I hope you don't actually believe a centrally planned economy produces better results than that run by a free market (and the US hasn't had a free market for over a century).

oh and income distribution...DRINK!

[X-man]

Please explain what you mean by efficiency. I hope you don't actually believe a centrally planned economy produces better results than that run by a free market (and the US hasn't had a free market for over a century).

oh and income distribution...DRINK!

Based on your allegiance to Hayek, I would expect you to know what that term means in economics. Does "Pareto efficiency" ring a bell? That is what I am referring to. Markets are only Pareto efficient when a set of (usually untrue) conditions hold. When those conditions don't hold, markets fail to achieve Pareto efficiency. And in those instances, a different resource allocation will reduce or eliminate dead-weight-loss and create a net gain fir market participants. Because markets "fail" under these circumstances to be efficient, there is a case for nudging markets if you have enough information to nudge them in the right direction.

[XU Cowbell Kid]

Not a big fan of the Pope. He is a big fan of socialism and Global Warming, and to him "the science is settled".

Science is never settled.

"For those that believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible."

However, if you truly have an open mind and are in the business of looking for proof...

Of scientifically written, peer reviewed articles written between 1991 and 2011 about anthropogenic global warming (meaning earth is warming and people are the cause), 0.7% (84 out of 11,944 articles) claim that global warming is NOT happening. So I think it is pretty safe to say the science is settled. At some point, there is a line between healthy skepticism and being an ignorant jackass.

[Strange Brew]

"For those that believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible."

However, if you truly have an open mind and are in the business of looking for proof...

Of scientifically written, peer reviewed articles written between 1991 and 2011 about anthropogenic global warming (meaning earth is warming and people are the cause), 0.7% (84 out of 11,944 articles) claim that global warming is NOT happening. So I think it is pretty safe to say the science is settled. At some point, there is a line between healthy skepticism and being an ignorant jackass.

Geez, I know right. I mean 33% in that study agree with AGW and the vast majority held no opinion. Who can possibly argue with a 33% consensus? Especially when all of the scientific predictions are happening just like they said.....

[XU Cowbell Kid]

Geez, I know right. I mean 33% in that study agree with AGW and the vast majority held no opinion. Who can possibly argue with a 33% consensus? Especially when all of the scientific predictions are happening just like they said.....

Of the articles written to examine whether global warming was occuring or not, 97% said yes, 3% said no. The ones with "no opinion" were not written to have an opinion. So yes... that is consensus.

[Strange Brew]

Of the articles written to examine whether global warming was occuring or not, 97% said yes, 3% said no. The ones with "no opinion" were not written to have an opinion. So yes... that is consensus.

Please Google "97% consensus debunked" and read the articles b/c you look pretty ignorant parroting that obviously false claim.

[Snipe]

"For those that believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible."

However, if you truly have an open mind and are in the business of looking for proof...

Of scientifically written, peer reviewed articles written between 1991 and 2011 about anthropogenic global warming (meaning earth is warming and people are the cause), 0.7% (84 out of 11,944 articles) claim that global warming is NOT happening. So I think it is pretty safe to say the science is settled. At some point, there is a line between healthy skepticism and being an ignorant jackass.

Wow you convinced me.

Where is the money? Follow the money. Where are research dollars spent? Who funds them?

Hey guess what? I am going to take the temperature of the entire planet today. That is right, I am going to record the temperature for the entire planet. Then I am going to compare it to the temperature of the planet 150 years ago. Do you know how I can do that? It is amazing. I took the temperature of the planet today. I also took the temperature of the planet 150 years ago. No kidding. Just trust me on this. And by the way, I think the increase in temperature is dramatic. And it may lead to lots of government spending and plenty of policy changes that also favor my political beliefs. But honestly, I am doing it for you.

What sad sack of shit wouldn't believe that gambit.

Barnum was right, one of em every minute.

[chico]

Just because he didn't mention it today does not mean he hasn't talked about it extensively.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/06/pope-killing-of-christians_n_7010120.html

[Snipe]

Pope Pius XII still gets flack from Jews for doing nothing during the Holocaust. Imagine if Israel was a State in 1942, and the Israeli Prime Minister came to America to talk about Carbon Credits. No, I can't imagine that either.


The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

Edmund Burke



The Pope has that covered.

[waggy]

I have did not watch, nor have I read anything yet. Like DC, I come to Snipe and X hoops first for my insights.

I was wondering whether if The Pope would make any mention of God today.

It's God who is really important.

Child please.

[MADXSTER]

I'm with Snipe. I was awaiting for a Bengals update. He didn't mention the Bengals. Not a fan of the pope.

[xu82]

I'm with Snipe. I was awaiting for a Bengals update. He didn't mention the Bengals. Not a fan of the pope.

Hey, maybe the Pope is more of an NFC kinda guy. Lighten up! Did he mention tha Saints?

[chico]

Estimated Christian deaths are around 100,000 for 2014. I have no idea how credible that number is. I don't know the number for 2015. Part of the reason that we don't know good numbers is because it isn't a hot topic. Christians dying isn't real newsworthy beyond a newscycle or two.

He didn't mention it today. Pointing to an article in the Huffington Post in April is nice. I take back all of the nasty things I said. I am really proud of him.

Since he had the killing of Christians covered back in April, and since apparently people stopped killing Christians for their faith in April, we don't have to worry about it and can move on to the serious issues like Global Warming and Socialism. Yeah, that is the ticket.

I am sure that everyone reads the HuffPost. It would be a shame if he dared to mention the 1 Christian dying for his faith every five minutes because that silly talk could crowd out the more important issues, like carbon taxes. Yeah, I am right with that agenda.

He seriously didn't even mention it as far as I can tell. He had the whole country watching, and he didn't mention the Christian Holocaust.

Is it a Christian Holocaust? I guess not. Who would know? Who would care? The Pope doesn't even mention it. That is crazy.

Who is looking out for Christians? Not the Pope. That is sad. He could have made a statement about it today. He could have put public pressure that may have lead to lives being saved and something being done. Instead he was shilling for solar panel subsidies. What a noble man. Seriously, the guy is a complete piece of shit.

You mentioned one speech where he didn't mention it. I brought up one article where he did. If I was so inclined I could cite many, many other articles where he's talked on this topic. I'm surprised with your wealth of internet savvy that you haven't run across these same articles. It took me about 20 seconds of internet sleuthing.

I usually find your rants entertaining, but when you start throwing out the epithets you are, I take issue.

[SemajParlor]

Please Google "97% consensus debunked" and read the articles b/c you look pretty ignorant parroting that obviously false claim.

Please stop.

[bobbiemcgee]

The Pope is apparently a Xavier fan:

http://www.fox5dc.com/news/23971900-story

[xu82]

The Pope is apparently a Xavier fan:

http://www.fox5dc.com/news/23971900-story

OK, on THIS he is infallible - EGGS does not mark the spot! It's a damn X.

(Unless Mr. Sneed is sensitive on the issue, then it's just a matter of preference.)

[OH.X.MI]

I say fuck the Pope and the horse he rode in on. He is a political asshole.

Okay then.

[DC Muskie]

I'd put together a gofundme page to raise money to send snipe into Syria and leave him there.

We would probably raise a billion dollars.

[LadyMuskie]

I'd put together a gofundme page to raise money to send snipe into Syria and leave him there.

We would probably raise a billion dollars.

Syria has so many problems already. This just doesn't seem like the right thing to do. We have to think of all of humanity. It's better to keep him contained here than let him out and about to ravage those already in desperate situations. Plus, there are so many people with cameras and the internet there. I don't know that it would do much good.

Maybe, we could find a nice outpost on some mountain in Tibet or something. Or a hut in the Amazon. We need to keep in our minds, the word, "remote".

[xeus]

Screw him. What a piece of shit.

Classy. And thanks for playing, but see you later...

[XU Cowbell Kid]

Please Google "97% consensus debunked" and read the articles b/c you look pretty ignorant parroting that obviously false claim.

I followed your suggestion. The only articles I have found were written by Joseph Bast and Roy Spencer, both of whom are on the payroll for the Heartland Institute, which is a think tank funded in large part by the Koch brothers, who own Koch Industries, the second largest privately owned company in the United States, which made it's fortune from crude oil refinement.

To make this plain and simple...

Rich people like being rich. They get rich from oil. Global warming is from burning oil and other fossil fuels. Rich people pay "scientists" to say global warming is not real. People keep burning oil. Rich people stay rich and happy. (Snipe told me to follow the money, so I did.)

Also, the main author, Bast, studied economics in college and dropped out. So when talking science, you are going to listen to one college drop-out economist over thousands of actual scientists that do this for a living.

Also, they did the same exact thing with second hand smoke for years. In fact, they used the same exact "think tank" to pay the "scientists" to say second hand smoke isn't harmful. The same exact one! But people don't look into it. They hear things in the media, don't bother doing research, and if they confirm their own beliefs, make it their own personal gospel.

I used to think climate change was overblown, not that big of a deal, if it was even real at all. But I'm a scientist. I analyzed the facts and the data. If you actually look into it, it's real. It's happening. And I don't get why people are so scared to change. You know electric cars are freaking awesome, right? And we can use the waves of the ocean as a constant and sustainable energy source now? This is futuristic, cutting-edge shit. Stuff people used to write about in science fiction. It can all happen now.

So why are we stuck on having to use fossil fuels? They will run out. Soon. That is an undeniable fact. So why not start making these changes now? What is the downside? If I'm right, you help prevent global warming. If you are right, you are still being awesome. It's a win-win. Even if you don't think global warming is real, do it cuz the future is awesome, and you should want to be a part of it.

[BENWAR]

Free Snipe!

[Strange Brew]

I followed your suggestion. The only articles I have found were written by Joseph Bast and Roy Spencer, both of whom are on the payroll for the Heartland Institute, which is a think tank funded in large part by the Koch brothers, who own Koch Industries, the second largest privately owned company in the United States, which made it's fortune from crude oil refinement.

To make this plain and simple...

Rich people like being rich. They get rich from oil. Global warming is from burning oil and other fossil fuels. Rich people pay "scientists" to say global warming is not real. People keep burning oil. Rich people stay rich and happy. (Snipe told me to follow the money, so I did.)

Also, the main author, Bast, studied economics in college and dropped out. So when talking science, you are going to listen to one college drop-out economist over thousands of actual scientists that do this for a living.

Also, they did the same exact thing with second hand smoke for years. In fact, they used the same exact "think tank" to pay the "scientists" to say second hand smoke isn't harmful. The same exact one! But people don't look into it. They hear things in the media, don't bother doing research, and if they confirm their own beliefs, make it their own personal gospel.

I used to think climate change was overblown, not that big of a deal, if it was even real at all. But I'm a scientist. I analyzed the facts and the data. If you actually look into it, it's real. It's happening. And I don't get why people are so scared to change. You know electric cars are freaking awesome, right? And we can use the waves of the ocean as a constant and sustainable energy source now? This is futuristic, cutting-edge shit. Stuff people used to write about in science fiction. It can all happen now.

So why are we stuck on having to use fossil fuels? They will run out. Soon. That is an undeniable fact. So why not start making these changes now? What is the downside? If I'm right, you help prevent global warming. If you are right, you are still being awesome. It's a win-win. Even if you don't think global warming is real, do it cuz the future is awesome, and you should want to be a part of it.

Discrediting the source instead of substance. Interesting but not a convincing argument.

I love changes in tech. I work in tech. I'm a big fan of all forms of sustainable energy but you mooks lost me from a scientific standpoint when you classified CO2 as a pollutant.

Please explain your definition of soon. We will not run out of fossil fuels in 2-3 lifetimes and that is a conservative estimate.

Yes, coal burning cars are freaking awesome. Think before you respond to that.

As a scientist and a thinking person I hope I can safely assume you are a huge supporter of nuclear energy?

Also, do you support tax on carbon and why? Keep in mind a vast majority of you is made of that element and another pesky element that when combined form a dangerous substance that must be regulated.

[Strange Brew]

Based on your allegiance to Hayek, I would expect you to know what that term means in economics. Does "Pareto efficiency" ring a bell? That is what I am referring to. Markets are only Pareto efficient when a set of (usually untrue) conditions hold. When those conditions don't hold, markets fail to achieve Pareto efficiency. And in those instances, a different resource allocation will reduce or eliminate dead-weight-loss and create a net gain fir market participants. Because markets "fail" under these circumstances to be efficient, there is a case for nudging markets if you have enough information to nudge them in the right direction.

Allegiance??? Geez, a guy posts an avatar of an economist accurately describing a defunct economic system and suddenly he's a true believer? I guess the free discussion of ideas is no longer a Jesuit ideal.

Anyway, thank you X-man for clarifying you position. Who do you think has capacity to nudge markets to efficiency? A central authority? Or, perhaps the sentiment and free choice of a large number of consumers?

All economic systems create inefficiencies, I'd like you to explain which one reacts faster and more effectively than the market. I'd prefer your answer to include historical examples over theory.

[NY44]

Is Snipe really banned?

[X-band '01]

I guess repeated attacks on His Holiness landed Snipe into purgatory. He'll be back with his long-winded rants soon enough.

[DC Muskie]

Oh trust me he loves it. Now he can read from others about "Freeing" him.

We will see his nonsensical gibberish and those of you who enjoy engaging him will do so soon enough.

[X-man]

Allegiance??? Geez, a guy posts an avatar of an economist accurately describing a defunct economic system and suddenly he's a true believer? I guess the free discussion of ideas is no longer a Jesuit ideal.

Anyway, thank you X-man for clarifying you position. Who do you think has capacity to nudge markets to efficiency? A central authority? Or, perhaps the sentiment and free choice of a large number of consumers?

All economic systems create inefficiencies, I'd like you to explain which one reacts faster and more effectively than the market. I'd prefer your answer to include historical examples over theory.

Frankly your post makes no sense on any level. First, why would you take my characterization of you as a free market believer because of your Hayek avatar as meaning I don't believe in the free interchange of ideas? Second, why would you think that market participants are the best way to correct market inefficiencies? And third, while speed in allocating resources is an admirable characteristic if it results in an efficient allocation of those resources, it loses its appeal if it simply means that resources are allocated quickly to their lower valued uses.

And finally, all you have to do is look around you for examples of alternative ways that resources get directed. It is theory, of course, that predicts that taxing certain activities will discourage that activity. So if the level of activity is greater than it should be from an efficiency perspective and therefore creates dead-weight-loss, theory predicts that a tax is a way to reduce that activity and correct the inefficiency. I'm guessing that you oppose all kinds of taxes because you would argue that they discourage economic activity (example...a tax on carbon emissions). So you believe in the theory as well, just not the way that benefits and costs associated with carbon producing activities are measured in my example.

Frankly, I chalk up your bizarre post to the hour of the night that you made it.

BTW, I am an economist in case you haven't figured it out. And because of my training and education, I am acutely aware of the limitations of markets even though I am a supporter of using markets to allocate resources generally.

[xu82]

Classy. And thanks for playing, but see you later...

I guess that's just what the last straw looks like.

[SemajParlor]

I'm considering making a screen shot compilation of Snipe's most memorable posts with this song in background.

Goodnight, sweet Snipe.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fesv7_fXvs

[Cheesehead]

You don't trash talk the Pope. I see smoke and lightning bolts in Sipe's future.

[X-band '01]

What did Brian Sipe ever say about the Pope?

[xu82]

What did Brian Sipe ever say about the Pope?

Something about the Pope can't throw the deep out....

I know, them's fightin' words!

[Strange Brew]

Frankly, I chalk up your bizarre post to the hour of the night that you made it.


If you truly are an economist I'm concerned because you seem to be implying that deadweight loss can be solved by deadweight loss. And yes, when a market is not in equilibrium (creating deadweight loss), it will naturally correct itself. This is day one stuff X-man.

Deadweight loss. Synonyms (economically speaking): Excess burden, TAXATION.

BTW, I live in the MTN West. Below is a link describing how time zones operate......

http://www.timeanddate.com/time/time-zones.html

[PM Thor]

In terms of arguing, this back and forth between Brew and X-Man reminds me of 2 paramedics arguing over the dosage of two different drugs that would achieve the same end result. And I don't understand any of it from the get go, but I know how to spike a bag for them.

[X-man]

If you truly are an economist I'm concerned because you seem to be implying that deadweight loss can be solved by deadweight loss. And yes, when a market is not in equilibrium (creating deadweight loss), it will naturally correct itself. This is day one stuff X-man.

Deadweight loss. Synonyms (economically speaking): Excess burden, TAXATION.

BTW, I live in the MTN West. Below is a link describing how time zones operate......

http://www.timeanddate.com/time/time-zones.html

Strange, I am truly an economist with a PhD from an Ivy League institution. And in fact I teach economics at a university for a living. Here's how an economics class goes....

Day 1: Market equilibrium occurs when the price balances demand and supply.

Day 2: When demand doesn't capture marginal benefits and/or supply doesn't capture marginal cost, market equilibrium actually creates (rather than corrects) dead-weight-loss.

Day 3: When markets result in dead-weight-loss, policies that change output can reduce that loss. Example: supply decisions fail to include all costs associated with supply, and therefore markets create dead-weight-loss by producing output that isn't worth it when you compare the marginal benefits and all the marginal costs. Correction...a tax, which in this case, reduces dead-weight-loss rather than creates it.

You would know more economics if you had paid more attention and not fallen asleep after Day 1. Perhaps a little adult education would be helpful assuming that your mind is open to different ideas.

BTW, I too understand time zones, and I am happy to see that you apparently DO understand some things. But an 11:30 post Friday night is suspect. That was the reason for my earlier remark.

[waggy]

Pope says government workers have right to refuse same sex marriage:


http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/pope-francis-visits-america/pope-francis-i-understand-anger-catholic-church-sex-abuse-victims-n434681

[GoMuskies]

Pope says government workers have right to refuse same sex marriage:


http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/pope-francis-visits-america/pope-francis-i-understand-anger-catholic-church-sex-abuse-victims-n434681

That liberal asshole

[waggy]

That liberal asshole


Can one be an asshole and infallible?

[GoMuskies]

Can one be an asshole and infallible?

Maybe. One certainly can't be liberal and infallible, though.

[SemajParlor]

Pope says government workers have right to refuse same sex marriage:


http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/pope-francis-visits-america/pope-francis-i-understand-anger-catholic-church-sex-abuse-victims-n434681

Good thing we have laws.

In all seriousness, I interpreted his actual quotes as something different, but maybe that's me selectively reading.

[waggy]

Good thing we have laws.


Are you saying the Pope is infallible?

[GoMuskies]

Are you saying the Pope is infallible?

No one other than obnoxious, uninformed evangelical Protestants ever says the Pope is infallible.

[waggy]

No one other than obnoxious, uninformed evangelical Protestants ever says the Pope is infallible.


Thor is of course the exception.

[GoMuskies]

I just assumed Thor was one, too.

[waggy]

I just assumed Thor was one, too.


Uninformed or obnoxious?

[GoMuskies]

Uninformed or obnoxious?

Yes