2016 recruits

[Murph85]

ESPN has both of our commits at 4 stars. Great sign and indicator of things to come.

With Jones being a beast underneath it would seem X would be very attractive for Dylan Painter who is also a 4 star C/PF per ESPN. He would have a workhorse PF to help him near the basket and the other offers are not nearly as attractive as X. One exception is they do not have Villanova listed and I believe they have offered. The next best option is Penn State. Their last big man to play in the NBA from Penn State was ...

I would like to see Painter inked for the 2016 class.

[casualfan]

I'd love to see us get Painter, but I'd be shocked if Painter ends up anywhere other than Nova or Penn State.

[Juice]

ESPN has both of our commits at 4 stars. Great sign and indicator of things to come.

With Jones being a beast underneath it would seem X would be very attractive for Dylan Painter who is also a 4 star C/PF per ESPN. He would have a workhorse PF to help him near the basket and the other offers are not nearly as attractive as X. One exception is they do not have Villanova listed and I believe they have offered. The next best option is Penn State. Their last big man to play in the NBA from Penn State was ...

I would like to see Painter inked for the 2016 class.

X is probably 3rd on Painter's list. He ain't happening. Look at Taureen Thompson.

[XUFan09]

Taurean Thompson would be an awesome get. That frontcourt defense would be great with Thompson at the 5 and Jones at the 4.

[XUFan09]

X is probably 3rd on Painter's list. He ain't happening.

It would take a miracle.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXH69LabyPw

[casualfan]

Thompson is supposed to visit in early September.

SMU and Maryland are also in the mix for him.

[Murph85]

Having read all there is on Thompson he actually may have a higher ceiling. He talks of NBA development and said X talks to him every day. I could see a commitment on his visit.


I am sure it will work itself out.

[Juice]

Thompson is supposed to visit in early September.

SMU and Maryland are also in the mix for him.

He has stated that X, Temple, and Rutgers are recruiting him the hardest.

[Lamont Sanford]

Read on Twitter that Painter is on his official visit at Villanova today.

[casualfan]

He has stated that X, Temple, and Rutgers are recruiting him the hardest.

I know he's a backup option for Maryland although I'm not sure on SMU.

He was recently on Maryland's campus.

[Juice]

I know he's a backup option for Maryland although I'm not sure on SMU.

He was recently on Maryland's campus.

They didn't offer after the visit.

[casualfan]

They didn't offer after the visit.

Which is why I stated he's a backup option for them.

Having said that, he made some comments after the visit that made it seem like if they do offer they'd jump up towards the top of the list.

[Juice]

Thompson has now received an offer from Syracuse.

[casualfan]

Thompson has now received an offer from Syracuse.

Was just coming to post this. Right before he visits us too. Will be interesting to see if we can still snag a commitment this weekend.

Sounds like he's planning a visit to 'Cuse later this month. I'll also be curious if the Cuse offer spurs a school like Maryland, who has been slow playing him, to jump in the mix.

[casualfan]

Here's a tweet that mentions when he might visit 'Cuse:

Adam Zagoria ‏@AdamZagoria 20m20 minutes ago
Syracuse has offered 2016 PF Taurean Thompson of @BrewsterBobcats, his mom confirms. Will visit 3rd or 4th weekend in September.

And the accompanying article:

http://zagsblog.com/recruiting/taurean-thompson-to-visit-xavier-syracuse/

[casualfan]

New Rivals rankings just dropped. (https://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/rankings/rank-3375/2016)

Q is down 14 spots to 85. Tyrique is down 3 spots to 126.

Thompson dropped one spot from 85 to 86.

[casualfan]

Jon Rothstein ‏@JonRothstein 17m17 minutes ago
2016 PF Taurean Thompson (Brewster Academy) is on an unofficial visit to Rutgers today, source told @CBSSports.

[LA Muskie]

Not worries about the Rutgers visit. Very worried about the 'Cuse one.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

'Cuse has two leaving and two coming in next year. They would have to Crean a guy to get Thompson.


Not worries about the Rutgers visit. Very worried about the 'Cuse one.

[XUFan09]

'Cuse has two leaving and two coming in next year. They would have to Crean a guy to get Thompson.
I don't know why it's called "Creaning" when even Xavier has pushed guys out the door and will over-recruit because "it will work itself out."

[bleedXblue]

I don't know why it's called "Creaning" when even Xavier has pushed guys out the door and will over-recruit because "it will work itself out."

Two wrongs don't make a right....but you cant compare a lot of schools to what Crean has done the last 5 years or so. It's shameful.

[casualfan]

'Cuse has two leaving and two coming in next year. They would have to Crean a guy to get Thompson.

They've filed an appeal on the penalties and are expecting to gain a 'ship back from what i was reading yesterday.

[XUFan09]

Two wrongs don't make a right....but you cant compare a lot of schools to what Crean has done the last 5 years or so. It's shameful.
You're missing the point. Xavier fans sometimes get up on their high horse, like their program is so much better then other programs. The truth is college basketball is a harsh business. Xavier does a good job with the academic side, but they are not immune to a lot of the necessities of that business, like pushing out players in favor of better ones. Is Crean worse? Possibly, but then we are only talking in relative terms at that point.

[X-man]

You're missing the point. Xavier fans sometimes get up on their high horse, like their program is so much better then other programs. The truth is college basketball is a harsh business. Xavier does a good job with the academic side, but they are not immune to a lot of the necessities of that business, like pushing out players in favor of better ones. Is Crean worse? Possibly, but then we are only talking in relative terms at that point.

The primary focus of a university is to give students time and classes to graduate. The basketball program in the university needs to honor that commitment. This means that should a player be "pushed out", as you call it, that would mean that the player would still receive a full scholarship but not an athletic scholarship. The player would then have a choice...either continue to play on the team without a scholarship and as a walk-on, or receive the free education the university promised him or her when they committed to the school. Athletic scholarships are typically granted annually. If they aren't renewed, the school still meets its obligation to the student athlete by giving that athlete a full (but not athletic) ride. Xavier does that, and I expect other places like IU also do the same.

[JTG]

I don't know why it's called "Creaning" when even Xavier has pushed guys out the door and will over-recruit because "it will work itself out."

Because Crean is a dickhead.

[muskiefan82]

The primary focus of a university is to give students time and classes to graduate. The basketball program in the university needs to honor that commitment. This means that should a player be "pushed out", as you call it, that would mean that the player would still receive a full scholarship but not an athletic scholarship. The player would then have a choice...either continue to play on the team without a scholarship and as a walk-on, or receive the free education the university promised him or her when they committed to the school. Athletic scholarships are typically granted annually. If they aren't renewed, the school still meets its obligation to the student athlete by giving that athlete a full (but not athletic) ride. Xavier does that, and I expect other places like IU also do the same.

What, then, would keep a university from stacking the team with a bunch of "academic" scholarship players as walk-ons and a full complement of athletic scholarship players?

[X-man]

What, then, would keep a university from stacking the team with a bunch of "academic" scholarship players as walk-ons and a full complement of athletic scholarship players?

Because it is against the rules. Read my post again. The student "pushed off" the team can either stay on the team but as a walk-on and without scholarship, or not play at all but with a full academic scholarship. I thought I was pretty clear about that. And given the fact that the only thing a university promises and is legally obligated to give is a full scholarship for four years to any incoming athlete. There is no guarantee that this athlete will play on the team for four years, just that they will get a free education for four years.

[muskiefan82]

Because it is against the rules. Read my post again. The student "pushed off" the team can either stay on the team but as a walk-on and without scholarship, or not play at all but with a full academic scholarship. I thought I was pretty clear about that. And given the fact that the only thing a university promises and is legally obligated to give is a full scholarship for four years to any incoming athlete. There is no guarantee that this athlete will play on the team for four years, just that they will get a free education for four years.

Gotcha. The university will still give you the education, but you can't play if you take the free ride.

[LA Muskie]

The primary focus of a university is to give students time and classes to graduate. The basketball program in the university needs to honor that commitment. This means that should a player be "pushed out", as you call it, that would mean that the player would still receive a full scholarship but not an athletic scholarship. The player would then have a choice...either continue to play on the team without a scholarship and as a walk-on, or receive the free education the university promised him or her when they committed to the school. Athletic scholarships are typically granted annually. If they aren't renewed, the school still meets its obligation to the student athlete by giving that athlete a full (but not athletic) ride. Xavier does that, and I expect other places like IU also do the same.
The notion that any school (Xavier or otherwise) still fulfills its "commitment" if it kicks a kid off the team but still provides a full scholarship is pretty naive. Sit in on a recruitment some time. The "commitment" is to be on the basketball team AND get a full tuition scholarship. Which is why, when a kid is pushed out, he leaves and finds another basketball team for which to play on scholarship.

[DoubleD86]

I don't know why it's called "Creaning" when even Xavier has pushed guys out the door and will over-recruit because "it will work itself out."

I agree with your general point, but I believe on the national recruiting boards it became "Creaning" because the IU fans on the old Rivals board were extreme "holier-than-thou" fans who used to berate coaches (especially Painter) whenever there was a hint of pushing kids out and ranting about IU doing it the "right way." Then Crean promptly spent the next 5 years over-recruiting and (supposedly) forcefully pushing kids out so it caught on.

[X-man]

The notion that any school (Xavier or otherwise) still fulfills its "commitment" if it kicks a kid off the team but still provides a full scholarship is pretty naive. Sit in on a recruitment some time. The "commitment" is to be on the basketball team AND get a full tuition scholarship. Which is why, when a kid is pushed out, he leaves and finds another basketball team for which to play on scholarship.

Naïve or not, universities are about academics and get a degree...not basketball, and whether a student athlete gets to play or not. So all the university does, and IMHO should do, is promise entering student athletes a free education for four years towards getting a college degree. Anything else is not consistent with the mission of either the university generally or its athletics program specifically.

[muskiefan82]

I have a question. Is there a limit to the amount of people who can be on a college team (Athletic scholarships and walk-ons) I know there is a scholarship limit, but if a great basketball player also qualified for a full academic ride, could they play and not count against the athletic scholarship limit? Or is it an overall "scholarship player" limit regardless of type?

[bleedXblue]

You're missing the point. Xavier fans sometimes get up on their high horse, like their program is so much better then other programs. The truth is college basketball is a harsh business. Xavier does a good job with the academic side, but they are not immune to a lot of the necessities of that business, like pushing out players in favor of better ones. Is Crean worse? Possibly, but then we are only talking in relative terms at that point.

I'm not missing anything. We don't do it anywhere near to the degree that IU and Crean has the last several years.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

It's funny that's all, and I guess it just seems to happen more at IU than anywhere else. It could be that Xavier has been the benefactor of "Creaning" more than other teams.


I don't know why it's called "Creaning" when even Xavier has pushed guys out the door and will over-recruit because "it will work itself out."

[sirthought]

You may be correct about shifting a kid from an athletic scholarship to an academic one, but I, for one, don't believe schools do that.

I do think programs will use resources to help that kid get his next destination on course, even if it's staying at that school. But I don't think it's a free ride if they no longer warrant the athletic scholarship there. Athletic programs can't have some pot for academic scholarships too.

[LadyMuskie]

I have a question. Is there a limit to the amount of people who can be on a college team (Athletic scholarships and walk-ons) I know there is a scholarship limit, but if a great basketball player also qualified for a full academic ride, could they play and not count against the athletic scholarship limit? Or is it an overall "scholarship player" limit regardless of type?

Hmm. I always assumed that no matter what, the team could only have a certain amount of players - such as in professional football where they keep paring the squad down to meet the appropriate number. Otherwise, I could see a place like UK having 22 people on the team even though only some of them are there on an athletic scholarship.

[Juice]

Hmm. I always assumed that no matter what, the team could only have a certain amount of players - such as in professional football where they keep paring the squad down to meet the appropriate number. Otherwise, I could see a place like UK having 22 people on the team even though only some of them are there on an athletic scholarship.

No my understanding is that Doug McDermott was not a scholarship player because his dad was an employee. But overall, although the NCAA is full of idiots, it would be pretty clear who was and was not a scholarship player. Using academic scholarships is against the rules.

[LadyMuskie]

No my understanding is that Doug McDermott was not a scholarship player because his dad was an employee. But overall, although the NCAA is full of idiots, it would be pretty clear who was and was not a scholarship player. Using academic scholarships is against the rules.

True. The NCAA is full of idiots. But, hopefully someone would notice if a team had, say, 22 people in uniform sitting on the bench, right? Hopefully that would raise some eyebrows.

[muskiefan82]

I am sure, if it were somehow within the bounds of the rules, it would have been tried already.

[nuts4xu]

No my understanding is that Doug McDermott was not a scholarship player because his dad was an employee. But overall, although the NCAA is full of idiots, it would be pretty clear who was and was not a scholarship player. Using academic scholarships is against the rules.

If you are receiving tuition remission because your parent works at the university, most schools (I speak with experience about Xavier) are unable to give a student scholarship moneys. I was offered a partial scholarship by Xavier to be the student manager of the basketball team. My mother worked at the school, and I was not able to take the scholarship. I am not sure how it works at Creighton, or if Doug McDermott counted against the scholarship limit, but I believe he would. Otherwise, schools would be hiring a kids' parent(s) to circumvent the scholarship limit.

I am not sure if there is a limit for the total number of players a team can have, but I don't recall any team having more than 15. I think each league sets a limit for how many total players you can have on your roster. I did some quick research, and found a maximum roster limit if 14 players, but that was in Division 2, and the information is 5 years old. I am certain during the NCAA tournament, you can only have a certain number (don't know the exact number) of people on your bench. They only have so much room.

[LA Muskie]

Naïve or not, universities are about academics and get a degree...not basketball, and whether a student athlete gets to play or not. So all the university does, and IMHO should do, is promise entering student athletes a free education for four years towards getting a college degree. Anything else is not consistent with the mission of either the university generally or its athletics program specifically.
Huh?

[LA Muskie]

I have a question. Is there a limit to the amount of people who can be on a college team (Athletic scholarships and walk-ons) I know there is a scholarship limit, but if a great basketball player also qualified for a full academic ride, could they play and not count against the athletic scholarship limit? Or is it an overall "scholarship player" limit regardless of type?
A player on an academic scholarship -- or any other scholarship -- counts against the 13 scholarship limit.

[Lamont Sanford]

Let's get back on point here guys...any updates on Taurean Thompson and his official visit this weekend?

Screw 'Cuse.

[Juice]

Let's get back on point here guys...any updates on Taurean Thompson and his official visit this weekend?

Screw 'Cuse.

A poster on the Scout board was on the same flight as Taureen and his mother. So we can confirm that a visit is taking place.

[JTG]

A poster on the Scout board was on the same flight as Taureen and his mother. So we can confirm that a visit is taking place.

Bringing his Mom. That usually bodes well for us, as Sr. Rose can wow her with the "we will educate your son" pitch.

[LA Muskie]

Bringing his Mom. That usually bodes well for us, as Sr. Rose can wow her with the "we will educate your son" pitch.

It certainly would be fair to say that THAT is a significant competitive advantage over Syracuse...

[JTG]

It certainly would be fair to say that THAT is a significant competitive advantage over Syracuse...

I ca just hear Boeheim's pitch : "Your son better make "the league", cause he won't learn shit in the classroom with me as his coach"

[Olsingledigit]

A player on an academic scholarship -- or any other scholarship -- counts against the 13 scholarship limit.
True. I believe that Mark "Three" Pointer had to forego an academic scholarship as a walk-on until he was granted a scholarship on the team. Not sure which department within X picked up the cost (i.e. Athletic department or academic department) but he was one of the 13 count when he earned a scholly on the team.

[xukeith]

Naïve or not, universities are about academics and get a degree...not basketball, and whether a student athlete gets to play or not. So all the university does, and IMHO should do, is promise entering student athletes a free education for four years towards getting a college degree. Anything else is not consistent with the mission of either the university generally or its athletics program specifically.
It is big time business.
Get the athletes in, get exposure, raise tuition, increase endowment, get on TV.
The almighty $$ is the driving force in most universities.

[MADXSTER]

A player on an academic scholarship -- or any other scholarship -- counts against the 13 scholarship limit.

So anyone on an academic scholarship may not be a walk-on for the basketball or any other team. That sounds odd. I thought the rule was more about the school(s) not recruiting a player at any point in time. If a student was never recruited by any school to play said sport, they could become a walk-on regardless of academic scholarship or not. I could/probably be wrong on this subject.

[X-man]

So anyone on an academic scholarship may not be a walk-on for the basketball or any other team. That sounds odd. I thought the rule was more about the school(s) not recruiting a player at any point in time. If a student was never recruited by any school to play said sport, they could become a walk-on regardless of academic scholarship or not. I could/probably be wrong on this subject.

You are wrong on this. If what you say was true, there would effectively be no limit on the number of scholarship players allowed on the team. The rule is 13 scholarship positions limit for men's basketball regardless of whether the scholarships are academic or athletic.

[MADXSTER]

So bottom line is that Xavier's walk-ons are not and have never been on any type of academic scholarship. No partials, no GPA carrying scholarships, no nothing. They are paying full tuition.

[LA Muskie]

So anyone on an academic scholarship may not be a walk-on for the basketball or any other team. That sounds odd. I thought the rule was more about the school(s) not recruiting a player at any point in time. If a student was never recruited by any school to play said sport, they could become a walk-on regardless of academic scholarship or not. I could/probably be wrong on this subject.
I probably shouldn't have been so unequivocal. There are some minor nuasances. I presumed we were talking about converting an athletic scholarship player to an academic scholarship "walkon". That obviously is not allowed. But there are a few (limited) exceptions -- for example, I believe a non-recruited student could be on a Pell Grant and still participate as a walk-on.

[MADXSTER]

I probably shouldn't have been so unequivocal. There are some minor nuasances. I presumed we were talking about converting an athletic scholarship player to an academic scholarship "walkon". That obviously is not allowed. But there are a few (limited) exceptions -- for example, I believe a non-recruited student could be on a Pell Grant and still participate as a walk-on.

Yea, I kinda switched gears there.

[xukeith]

In case some did not see this, X is #14.

http://247sports.com/Season/2016-Basketball/CompositeTeamRankings

[Juice]

In case some did not see this, X is #14.

http://247sports.com/Season/2016-Basketball/CompositeTeamRankings

#23 on Scout

[Emp]

It certainly would be fair to say that THAT is a significant competitive advantage over Syracuse...

Uhhhh....Syracuse is not Cupcake U if a student athlete or his Mom is concerned about a vigorous education and a valuable diploma. You may not like Boeheim (I'm not a lover, or a hater), but Cuse and X are not in the same league academically.

[casualfan]

I believe the thompson visit started Thursday evening which means he would have been gone by last night.

[Xavgrad08]

Hopefully, he can make it back for a game once the season starts. Syracuse still concerns me.


http://zagsblog.com/articles/taurean-thompson-enjoys-xavier-syracuse-up-next/

[Olsingledigit]

Hopefully, he can make it back for a game once the season starts. Syracuse still concerns me.


http://zagsblog.com/articles/taurean-thompson-enjoys-xavier-syracuse-up-next/

If he holds to this he will likely not sign in the November window which could cause X or the Cuse to rethink their positions or risk going to the spring signings short a recruit when most of the good ones are gone.

[XUFan09]

If he holds to this he will likely not sign in the November window which could cause X or the Cuse to rethink their positions or risk going to the spring signings short a recruit when most of the good ones are gone.
If he visits Syracuse in late September, I could see him making his decision in mid-October. I know he mentioned catching a game at Cintas, but that could very well happen as a committed recruit. Right now, he's giving Syracuse an opportunity to make their case, which has me worried.

[casualfan]

Free update from the Scout site on the Syracuse visit being scheduled.

It also mentions what i think most on here believe: Since he left campus without committing Syracuse is now viewed as the favorite.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Free update from the Scout site on the Syracuse visit being scheduled.

It also mentions what i think most on here believe: Since he left campus without committing Syracuse is now viewed as the favorite.

Syracuse site is wrong. Thompson never intended to commit last weekend. And as of now, X is still the leader.

Still hoping Xavier lands a Xavier in this class...

[XUFan09]

Syracuse site is wrong. Thompson never intended to commit last weekend. And as of now, X is still the leader.

Still hoping Xavier lands a Xavier in this class...
Nigel's right. He and his family have been taking a deliberate approach, even before Syracuse entered the mix. Committing on a visit runs contrary to that approach.

I'm concerned about Syracuse, but let's take the *Syracuse* site with a huge grain of salt on this one.

[brianxavier]

Syracuse site is wrong. Thompson never intended to commit last weekend. And as of now, X is still the leader.

Still hoping Xavier lands a Xavier in this class...

It won't be Xavier Simpson - committed to U of michigan yesterday

[casualfan]

It won't be Xavier Simpson - committed to U of michigan yesterday

He's talking about Sneed.

[MuskieCinci]

He's talking about Sneed.

The better Xavier because he pronounces it correctly, which is where all Xavier's get their power from.

[XU-PA]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ajbj78kKI8

I like the cut if his jib

[casualfan]

Dylan Painter ‏@dpaint4234 4m4 minutes ago Hershey, PA
Beyond excited to announce that I am going to be joining the Villanova Basketball family! Thanks for everyone's support #NovaNation

[casualfan]

Taurean Thompson is visiting SMU this weekend.

[XUFan09]

Taurean Thompson is visiting SMU this weekend.

Though that adds another player into the game, I consider it a good thing. If he prolongs the decision-making process, that puts him further and further from the Syracuse visit. Plus, Xavier is in a position where they don't really need a big man and will just pursue those who can offer something distinct to the team. So, they have the luxury of patience.

[bleedXblue]

Any kid considering SMU and specifically Larry Brown has to know that he wont be there 4 years from now. It's not going to happen. I think Brown is 75 or so?

[Juice]

Any kid considering SMU and specifically Larry Brown has to know that he wont be there 4 years from now. It's not going to happen. I think Brown is 75 or so?

I think everyone knows though that Jankovic is the head coach in waiting.

[Chalmers0]

SMU hit with a postseason ban for this year (not that that would affect Thompson) and a loss of 3 schollies per year over the next 3.

[JTG]

This is the same school that has already been given the "Death Penalty" by the NCAA, getting slapped again.