Biggest losers in realignment - - football

[xudash]

No surprises here:

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/ucathleticsblog/2015/06/11/fox-uc-tied-for-biggest-loser-in-realignment/71057206/

[waggy]

If UConn wanted in the BE would you add them?

[GoMuskies]

If UConn wanted in the BE would you add them?

Given that they would become the only Big East program to have won a national title in the last 30 years, HELL YES!!!

[waggy]

What about Cincy?

[GoMuskies]

What about Cincy?

Given that I hate their guts, HELL NO!!

[xudash]

Yes to UCONN and in a heartbeat. I think GOMUSKIES made that point beyond well enough, though allow me to amplify it:

1. UCONN would lock in attendance performance at the BE Tournament in MSG virtually every year.

2. Some of the old BE rivalry type games would be invigorated: UCONN/SJU, UCONN/Georgetown or Nova, etc. - - good for TV.

3. Given that adding UCONN would pierce the public/private veil issue, we would be free to add VCU for its size and fanbase, or another substantial public that emphasizes basketball that makes sense (personally, I'm not sure that includes Wichita State).

UC? Um, no. Having noted that, if I were smart enough to be open minded enough about UC, then we should add them, too. This is one time that the TV market criterion would be trumped by the nature of the addition and the nature of the relationship between the two schools that would be in the conference together from the same town.

Think about it this way, those poor bastards would have to regard us as a hoops PEER, versus them having gone subordinate to us (if they're honest with themselves) or attempting to argue that they're still better than us from their lofty position from within the AAC.

[Masterofreality]

Dash, you know I love ya man, but please...enough with the VCU and their temporary carny program.

Smart had one big year. Now he's gone. They're going back to obscurity in the A10. No.

But I'd say yes to UCon. Let them find a football home somewhere else. They'll never get into a premier league so it makes no difference where they play their pigskin.

[xudash]

Dash, you know I love ya man, but please...enough with the VCU and their temporary carny program.

Smart had one big year. Now he's gone. They're going back to obscurity in the A10. No.

But I'd say yes to UCon. Let them find a football home somewhere else. They'll never get into a premier league so it makes no difference where they play their pigskin.

MOR,

No problem. In fact, you've made me consider how important number 12 is to all of this, assuming we need to add a 12th team. I've heard good conversation about taking it to 11 and stopping there and how that would be okay.

I do believe UCONN would be obvious if they were available. It certainly gets tricky beyond that program.

[DC Muskie]

I'm going to enjoy having 10 for as long as I can.

[muskienick]

MOR,

No problem. In fact, you've made me consider how important number 12 is to all of this, assuming we need to add a 12th team. I've heard good conversation about taking it to 11 and stopping there and how that would be okay.

I do believe UCONN would be obvious if they were available. It certainly gets tricky beyond that program.

I also see no reason to go beyond 11 in the very unlikely event that UConn is #11. However, to cement that opinion in my mind, the Big East would have to go to a 20-game Conference schedule with H/A's against each of the other members.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I also see no reason to go beyond 11 in the very unlikely event that UConn is #11. However, to cement that opinion in my mind, the Big East would have to go to a 20-game Conference schedule with H/A's against each of the other members.

I was about to say the same thing. Wouldnt it be very doable to go to 11 and do a 20 game conference schedule?

[SM#24]

I'm going to enjoy having 10 for as long as I can.

I can't think of anyone realistically other than UConn that would make me want more than 10 or to deviate from private only.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I can't think of anyone realistically other than UConn that would make me want more than 10 or to deviate from private only.

As much as we all dislike UD, some more than that :biggrin: (I've always hated UC way more), I wouldnt mind if UD was in the Big East. You would think the conference affiliation would only help their success, and they have a big rabid fan base who will travel.

I would also like SLU to get in for selfish reasons and I dont think last season should exclude them as there wasnt a chance in hell they could have been god given their previous two classess that graduated and then being hurt by recruiting with Majerus passing away and Crews having an interim tag that then turned into full time head coach. Although the next season or two will be very telling and hopefully Crews doesnt completely blow it.

Edit: And as to letting UD in there would have to be a concrete reason the league sees it as a positive to go to 11. Not just to go to 11 for 11's sake.

[Masterofreality]

Not a good day for those that have been salivating over a SucKS inclusion in the Big 12. Not appearing to be happening for a long time...if ever.

"The DI Council has approved a proposal allowing FBS conferences without 12 members to hold conference championship football games."

http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_LANG=C&ATCLID=210632683&DB_OEM_ID=10410

So, with a 10 member perfect round robin, and the ability to only split money 10 ways, why would they ever choose to add any secondary teams- especially those with barely 40,000 seat stadiums that can't even sell those out?

Sorry Clifton. Not happening. Bl-AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC-h!

[xubrew]

People always point to Big Twelve teams having an easier route because they don't have to win a conference championship game. I always thought that was crap. They play NINE conference games. They actually have one less easy OOC game. Oklahoma played at Tennessee, and also played Akron and Tulsa who both went to bowl games.

Alabama played Louisiana Monroe and Charleston Southern.

Clemson played Wofford.

The Big Twelve doesn't have it easier when they're the ones that aren't getting to play a non FBS team.

[paulxu]

Did they take a vote to make the conference name match the number of teams?

Hi, I'm in the Big 12.
Who are the other 11 members?
Umm...well, they're only 9 others.
Do they have math in their elementary schools?

[xubrew]

The Big Twelve doesn't refer to the number of teams. It refers to what time the games kick off!

Okay, bad joke.

[GoMuskies]

The Big Twelve doesn't refer to the number of teams. It refers to what time the games kick off!

Okay, bad joke.

It really is a bad joke given that all of the teams save WV are on Central time, so the games tend to kick at 11am.

[Masterofreality]

ESPN College Football reporter Tweet:

@CFBHeather: This deregulation gives the Big 12 the freedom to have a title game without expanding. That is a big win. Shouldn't be forced 2 expand.

[Milhouse]

People always point to Big Twelve teams having an easier route because they don't have to win a conference championship game. I always thought that was crap. They play NINE conference games. They actually have one less easy OOC game. Oklahoma played at Tennessee, and also played Akron and Tulsa who both went to bowl games.

Alabama played Louisiana Monroe and Charleston Southern.

Clemson played Wofford.

The Big Twelve doesn't have it easier when they're the ones that aren't getting to play a non FBS team.

Right- but Bama/Clemson and the like at least one tough OOC game. The Baylors/TCUs don't do that...

So they all have 9 P5 games in the end.

[Xville]

I know it will never happen, but in a perfect world, they would add a few more conferences and every conference would have 10 teams in it....that allows for a true round robin plus 3 non-con games.

The whole division thing is pretty ridiculous because there is so much unbalanced scheduling. Take for instance Iowa this year...they avoided playing Ohio State, Michigan State (until the conference championship), and Michigan and I believe they avoid the same thing next year.

[GoMuskies]

The ACC is like that, too with their 7 team divisions. Teams play two games against the other division, so you miss 5 of the 7 opponents. One team could play FSU and Clemson while another plays Wake Forest and Boston College.

[xubrew]

Right- but Bama/Clemson and the like at least one tough OOC game. The Baylors/TCUs don't do that...

So they all have 9 P5 games in the end.

I agree with those two in particular, but I think it's kind of ridiculous when schools point to the Big Twelve and say they have an easier route because they don't have to win the extra conference championship game. In reality, they're already playing nine conference games whereas everyone else plays eight, and the "extra game" is often an FCS team or a crap FBS team. If Baylor or TCU played in the SEC then chances are they'd be playing four crap games instead of just three.

[xubrew]

I know it will never happen, but in a perfect world, they would add a few more conferences and every conference would have 10 teams in it....that allows for a true round robin plus 3 non-con games.

The whole division thing is pretty ridiculous because there is so much unbalanced scheduling. Take for instance Iowa this year...they avoided playing Ohio State, Michigan State (until the conference championship), and Michigan and I believe they avoid the same thing next year.

How about fourteen conferences of nine teams each. The conferences are matched up for seven different championship games, and the seven winners automatically make the playoffs. Add five more and we have a playoff of twelve. Add nine more and we have a playoff of sixteen.

I'd like that. I don't know why, but I have it in my head that nine is the ideal size for any conference.

[Masterofreality]

How about fourteen conferences of nine teams each. The conferences are matched up for seven different championship games, and the seven winners automatically make the playoffs. Add five more and we have a playoff of twelve. Add nine more and we have a playoff of sixteen.

I'd like that. I don't know why, but I have it in my head that nine is the ideal size for any conference.

Sooooooo, you're saying drop DePaul? :lol:

[xubrew]

Sooooooo, you're saying drop DePaul? :lol:

I'm in favor!!

Or, if Creighton insists on not dropping McDermott, then maybe we should drop them.

Or, drop both of them and add Valpo, who has a better team and a better coach than both of them, quite frankly.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Right- but Bama/Clemson and the like at least one tough OOC game. The Baylors/TCUs don't do that...



TCU played at Minnesota this season, and plays Arkansas next season. Baylors OOC schedule on the other hand is a joke. The Big 12 just added a rule that states every member has to schedule a Power 5 team out of conference. But I'm sure Baylor will just find some bottom feeder in the big conferences to play.

[JTG]

I'm in favor!!

Or, if Creighton insists on not dropping McDermott, then maybe we should drop them.

Or, drop both of them and add Valpo, who has a better team and a better coach than both of them, quite frankly.

Don't need Valpo, the last thing we need is another team that plays in a high school gym.

[GoMuskies]

I wonder if the Valley considered Valpo before offering a spot to Loyola? Valpo would have been a much, much, much, much (MUCH) better choice. Maybe Valpo wasn't interested.

[xubrew]

Don't need Valpo, the last thing we need is another team that plays in a high school gym.

5K isn't great, but it's still not bad.

Valpo may have a high school sized gym, but they have an NCAA Tournament caliber team that fans actually come out to watch. DePaul has a big arena that's forty minutes away that no one goes to, and has a high school caliber team. Now, it could be worse. They could be Fordham.

[X-band '01]

Maybe Valpo can get a local corporate bigwig like Orville Redenbacher to pony up for a new arena? Just think of the names that could come of that.

[xeus]

I assume a lot of this thread is just guys being goofy. No way are we ever dropping DePaul or Creighton, let alone dropping them for fucking Valparaiso...

Or am I being obtuse?

[xubrew]

I assume a lot of this thread is just guys being goofy. No way are we ever dropping DePaul or Creighton, let alone dropping them for fucking Valparaiso...

Or am I being obtuse?

Okay, we'll drop DePaul and Creighton and just be an eight team league.

[xubrew]

No one in Chicago even realizes DePaul is there. If we drop them I don't think anyone would really notice.

If a tree falls in the woods and no one is there to hear it does it make a sound??

If you get blown out at home by a Sun Belt team in front of less than 1000 people, do you even exist in the first place??

[Masterofreality]

Okay, we'll drop DePaul and Creighton and just be an eight team league.

Well, then we have to come up with 4 more out of conference games. a scheduling nightmare.
What are you doing Brew? Trying to drive Mario Mercurio crazy?

[xubrew]

Well, then we have to come up with 4 more out of conference games. a scheduling nightmare.
What are you doing Brew? Trying to drive Mario Mercurio crazy?

How about Valpo?? That's one!!

[Masterofreality]

How about Valpo?? That's one!!

Big TV market in Valparaiso, Indiana.

[xubrew]

Big TV market in Valparaiso, Indiana.

We'll schedule a home/neutral. They can play their home game in Chicago. It looks to be either a forty minute or four hour drive for them, depending on the traffic.

...and hey, the HL does have a deal with ESPN, so there's that!

[muskiefan82]

Okay, we'll drop DePaul and Creighton and just be an eight team league.

Add UCONN and make them drop football

[xubrew]

Add UCONN and make them drop football

UConn isn't going to drop football.

Now you're just being ridiculous! We were having a discussion about things that were entirely realistic and possible, and then you come in talking about UConn dropping football!

[Masterofreality]

Now you're just being ridiculous! We were having a discussion about things that were entirely realistic and possible, and then you come in talking about UConn dropping football!

Correct! Vapo to the Big East is entirely realistic and possible! :laugh:

By the way, Did Valpo drop football. That's the only way.

[GoMuskies]

Valpo still has football. Same as Villanova. And Georgetown. And Butler. Unlike UConn, they are all just smart enough not to let it negatively impact their basketball program.

[xubrew]

Valpo still has football. Same as Villanova. And Georgetown. And Butler. Unlike UConn, they are all just smart enough not to let it negatively impact their basketball program.

UConn did win the national title two years ago.

[GoMuskies]

UConn did win the national title two years ago.

With players all recruited to play in the best basketball conference in the country.

[LA Muskie]

With players all recruited to play in the best basketball conference in the country.
Yeah, what kid would possibly want to play basketball at UConn now. Um...huh???

[Masterofreality]

With players all recruited to play in the best basketball conference in the country.

And for a shyster scum bucket who is no longer coaching there.

[GoMuskies]

Yeah, what kid would possibly want to play basketball at UConn now. Um...huh???

You don't think being in the AAC is hurting them in recruiting? Um...huh?

[LA Muskie]

You don't think being in the AAC is hurting them in recruiting? Um...huh?
I think it's hurting them A LOT less than you think it's hurting them. It's still UConn. A program that won the national title less than 2 years ago (as a member of the AAC). A program led by a NBA veteran, college legend, and NCAA championship coach. A program with 4 -- count 'em FOUR -- national championships in the last 16 years (15 if you exclude the year they were ineligible).

I get that it's fun to make fun of lesser conferences now that we're not in one. And I'm not discounting the recruiting advantage of some conferences. At the same time, some schools just eclipse conference. UConn, it seems to me, is one of them. And it's not like the AAC at the upper end isn't top-tier basketball more years than not...

[Masterofreality]

I think it's hurting them A LOT less than you think it's hurting them. It's still UConn. A program that won the national title less than 2 years ago (as a member of the AAC). A program led by a NBA veteran, college legend, and NCAA championship coach. A program with 4 -- count 'em FOUR -- national championships in the last 16 years (15 if you exclude the year they were ineligible).

I get that it's fun to make fun of lesser conferences now that we're not in one. And I'm not discounting the recruiting advantage of some conferences. At the same time, some schools just eclipse conference. UConn, it seems to me, is one of them. And it's not like the AAC at the upper end isn't top-tier basketball more years than not...

Ummmmm, UCon lost at Tulsa tonight by 11. Not impressive

[GoMuskies]

I don't make fun of lesser conferences. It's just an absolute fact that UConn's basketball program is in a worse situation than they would be in if not for theit insistence on playing money losing FBS football.

[LA Muskie]

Ummmmm, UCon lost at Tulsa tonight by 11. Not impressive
1. Good sample size.
2. What does that have to do with recruiting?

[LA Muskie]

I don't make fun of lesser conferences. It's just an absolute fact that UConn's basketball program is in a worse situation than they would be in if not for theit insistence on playing money losing FBS football.
UConn is absolutely, positively is in a worse overall basketball position than they used to be. The AAC is a joke compared to the old Big East. I'm not denying that. Whether they would have been in any different position sans football I have no idea. But if they stayed in the Big East, then yes they would be in a much better position now. I don't deny that either. My only point is that I'm not so sure it's affecting their recruiting all that much. Teams have their ups and downs (and for whatever reason, UConn's have always seemed more pronounced than most), but I expect they will generally remain a basketball power. AAC or not. And hence their recruiting likely will remain consistent.

[Masterofreality]

1. Good sample size.
2. What does that have to do with recruiting?

UCon is 84 in RPI after 16 games- NIT territory. How's THAT for a sample size? These are now K Ollie's recruits not Calhoun.

#GoingDownTheTubes

[LA Muskie]

UConn is having a bad year. It happens. You may prove right that they go down the tubes. I highly doubt it. But it is a theoretical possibility.


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[GoMuskies]

They don't have to go down the tubes. They just have to stop winning titles (or at least seriously contending) every fourth year.

[xubrew]

Kevin Ollie is a less than perfect bench coach.

[muskiefan82]

The AAC! is one NCAA sanctioned, undefeated team from being the MAC this year.

[xubrew]

Not as close to home, but the Mountain West used to be a really good basketball conference with good teams, intense rivalries, and packed arenas. Then they expanded. Great idea!!