Chris Mack to Iowa State

[Masterofreality]

May as well get this thread out of the way.

Thibodeau will be fired from the Chicago Bulls. Fred Hoiberg will become Chicago's coach. He wants to be a pro coach, he is friends with the Bull's GM, and that was his old NBA team. That will happen.

Then Chris Mack, Archie Miller and a host of others will be linked to the Cyclone's job. Get ready to track planes from Lunken to Ames, Iowa.

Should be easy to do so.

[GoMuskies]

If we lose a coach that we want to keep to Iowa State, we've got issues.

[JTG]

If we lose a coach that we want to keep to Iowa State, we've got issues.

This....Head Coach in Hickville Iowa is not a step up.

[kyxu]

If we lose a coach that we want to keep to Iowa State, we've got issues.


This....Head Coach in Hickville Iowa is not a step up.

I know we all like to torture ourselves, but I don't think anyone is seriously sweating Chris Mack going to Iowa State.

[Juice]

Hell, the only reason they got Hoiberg was because he was an alum.

[Cheesehead]

Didn't Hoiberg just have recent heart valve surgery? Wonder if he is up to the grind of NBA season?

[Cheesehead]

Cincinnati or Iowa? hmmm

Growing up as a kid, my folks stayed overnight at the Holidome in Des Moines when we visited my grandparents in Wichita every summer.

Don't get me wrong, the Holidome was awesome when I was 10 but it was still Iowa.

[LA Muskie]

I'd be more concerned that Chris could leave for Dayton than I am about Iowa State. Which is to say I am not remotely concerned. At all. Not one bit.

[bjf123]

I'd be more concerned that Chris could leave for Dayton than I am about Iowa State. Which is to say I am not remotely concerned. At all. Not one bit.

This.


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[Mrs. Garrett]

http://national.suntimes.com/nba/7/72/1124313/alvin-gentry-not-fred-hoiberg-favorite-replace-tom-thibodeau

Hoiberg to the Bulls? Maybe not.

[Masterofreality]

*Sarcasm Font fully engaged*

[X-man]

Casual, oh Casual. Where art thou on this "breaking rumor"?

[XUFan09]

Casual, oh Casual. Where art thou on this "breaking rumor"?

You mean this silly thread?

[X-man]

You mean this silly thread?

Yes. Our "fan", casualfan, was so engaged with the Mack to Florida story, yet disappeared as soon as it was clear that Mack was staying put. So I expect casual to jump in every time there is a thread, silly as this one is, that is detrimental to Xavier's bball program.

[casualfan]

Casual, oh Casual. Where art thou on this "breaking rumor"?

Must have missed me yesterday when I posted the Kyle Washington news...

No chance Mack goes there, BUT if that job opens up it'll be interesting to see what kind of name they can get. Obviously Ames sucks, but they will have a top 5-10 team going into next season.

Not often you get a chance to take over a ready made final four contender.

[XUFan09]

Yes. Our "fan", casualfan, was so engaged with the Mack to Florida story, yet disappeared as soon as it was clear that Mack was staying put. So I expect casual to jump in every time there is a thread, silly as this one is, that is detrimental to Xavier's bball program.

The Mack to Florida thread wasn't silly, though. There was a legitimate possibility. That is not true with Iowa State. It's apples to oranges.

[X-man]

The Mack to Florida thread wasn't silly, though. There was a legitimate possibility. That is not true with Iowa State. It's apples to oranges.

I get it. But I do find it strange that casualfan stopped showing up on the Mack to Florida thread as soon as it was clear that he wasn't going.

[LA Muskie]

I get it. But I do find it strange that casualfan stopped showing up on the Mack to Florida thread as soon as it was clear that he wasn't going.
Playing Devil's Advocate (and, I guess, to defending casual), there wasn't much left to discuss once it was clear Mack wasn't going to Florida.

[sirthought]

I'm not saying that Mack would or should leave, but I'm surprised you all write off ISU as such a long shot.
Their program was a hot mess before Hoiberg brought in some discipline, but consider:
- Big 12 school competes with great hoops programs and has a good media contract - rivals the Big East in many aspects
- Recruiting area still in the Midwest where he does well and their facilities are decent. (Hoiberg built with transfers, like Mack has.)
- The Cyclones return 5 of their 7 leading scorers on the team that won the Big 12 tournament - disappointed in the NCAAs, but many thought they'd go far.
- Ames is 30 miles from Des Moines, which isn't too different from Cincinnati (non which have to do with family nearby).

I'd say as programs go, this one looks pretty healthy to take on at this stage. I bet Hoiberg stays this time.

Thibodeau's getting a raw deal, as he's had so many injuries to deal with on that team. I'd say he's done great considering the set backs with who they had invested in.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I'm not saying that Mack would or should leave, but I'm surprised you all write off ISU as such a long shot.
Their program was a hot mess before Hoiberg brought in some discipline, but consider:
- Big 12 school competes with great hoops programs and has a good media contract - rivals the Big East in many aspects
- Recruiting area still in the Midwest where he does well and their facilities are decent. (Hoiberg built with transfers, like Mack has.)
- The Cyclones return 5 of their 7 leading scorers on the team that won the Big 12 tournament - disappointed in the NCAAs, but many thought they'd go far.
- Ames is 30 miles from Des Moines, which isn't too different from Cincinnati (non which have to do with family nearby).

I'd say as programs go, this one looks pretty healthy to take on at this stage. I bet Hoiberg stays this time.

Thibodeau's getting a raw deal, as he's had so many injuries to deal with on that team. I'd say he's done great considering the set backs with who they had invested in.

Yeah its not a results thing with Thibodeau it is a disagreement with management, kind of like the 49ers and Harbaugh. Apparently the President and Thibodeau dont even speak. That is pretty dysfunctional.

[LA Muskie]

I'm not saying that Mack would or should leave, but I'm surprised you all write off ISU as such a long shot.
Their program was a hot mess before Hoiberg brought in some discipline, but consider:
- Big 12 school competes with great hoops programs and has a good media contract - rivals the Big East in many aspects
- Recruiting area still in the Midwest where he does well and their facilities are decent. (Hoiberg built with transfers, like Mack has.)
- The Cyclones return 5 of their 7 leading scorers on the team that won the Big 12 tournament - disappointed in the NCAAs, but many thought they'd go far.
- Ames is 30 miles from Des Moines, which isn't too different from Cincinnati (non which have to do with family nearby).

I'd say as programs go, this one looks pretty healthy to take on at this stage. I bet Hoiberg stays this time.

Thibodeau's getting a raw deal, as he's had so many injuries to deal with on that team. I'd say he's done great considering the set backs with who they had invested in.

This could all be true and yet I'm still struggling to muster the energy to express how little I'm worried about it. As in not at all.

[xu82]

The Mack to Florida thread wasn't silly, though. There was a legitimate possibility. That is not true with Iowa State. It's apples to oranges.

Actually, I think it's more corn to oranges in this case, but why nitpick?

[XUFan09]

Actually, I think it's more corn to oranges in this case, but why nitpick?
That is perfect.

[xudash]

Actually, I think it's more corn to oranges in this case, but why nitpick?

Sticks the landing!

[casualfan]

This has nothing to do with Mack, but since this is a thread about Iowa State I figured it fit best here.

The bulls just fired their coach and from the twittersphere it's sounds like more a matter of when than if Hoiberg gets that job.

[BandAid]

This has nothing to do with Mack, but since this is a thread about Iowa State I figured it fit best here.

The bulls just fired their coach and from the twittersphere it's sounds like more a matter of when than if Hoiberg gets that job.

That firing came faster than I expected. I heard the Bulls were going to sit on Thibs awhile to prevent other teams from picking him up for next year.

[LA Muskie]

That firing came faster than I expected. I heard the Bulls were going to sit on Thibs awhile to prevent other teams from picking him up for next year.
I heard the same thing. But they owe him $9mm over the next two years, and I'm now seeing reports that they'd prefer not to have to pay all of that. If he gets a new job for next year, they may have to pay only a very small percentage -- or none -- of the amount due.

[Juice]

I heard the same thing. But they owe him $9mm over the next two years, and I'm now seeing reports that they'd prefer not to have to pay all of that. If he gets a new job for next year, they may have to pay only a very small percentage -- or none -- of the amount due.

I think it's just the difference in salaries from his new job and that with the Bulls.

[GoMuskies]

So if Thibs takes another job, it's just for the love? He'll essentially be working for free?

[D-West & PO-Z]

I heard the same thing. But they owe him $9mm over the next two years, and I'm now seeing reports that they'd prefer not to have to pay all of that. If he gets a new job for next year, they may have to pay only a very small percentage -- or none -- of the amount due.

Not to mention it would be pretty petty and not a good look to possible replacement coaches.

[LA Muskie]

I think it's just the difference in salaries from his new job and that with the Bulls.
It is. So if he couldn't secure a job next year (because all of them get filled before they fired him) they were going to owe him at least $4.5mm (for next year) and any shortfall for the following season (since he presumably would get a job by then). If they fire him now and he picks up a gig for next year (and beyond) it's just the shortfall.

I'd be interested to see the mitigation provisions in the coaches' contracts. Theoretically, other teams could play with house money by paying Thibs below-market for the first 2 years and making it up in the later years of his contract. No different for him. A nice "discount" for the new employer...

[LA Muskie]

So if Thibs takes another job, it's just for the love? He'll essentially be working for free?

No, he gets paid by the new employer instead of the Bulls. Apparently all NBA coaches' contracts have mitigation provisions attached to their guaranteed contracts (I didn't know that until yesterday, and I still only know that based on press reports). So if he gets another job the Bulls only have to pay him the shortfall.

You're probably thinking "why doesn't he just park it for 2 years and enjoy $9mm stress free?" In connection with the mitigation provision, he probably has a contractual obligation to try to find a new job (and generally would have one imposed by law, regardless). But he probably only needs to put his hat into the ring for other NBA HC jobs. So if there aren't any, he can park it for at least a year and get paid $4.5mm to enjoy life (with the money to do so). Or he can take a cush TV job for a year, and still make $4.5mm (part of which will be from TV, the remainder from the Bulls). Although I'm not sure anyone really wants to see him on TV. Let's be honest, he has a face made for radio...

[GoMuskies]

No, he gets paid by the new employer instead of the Bulls.

Yes, but he gets the $9 million regardless. If you're not getting incremental pay, you're working for $0.

[LA Muskie]

Yes, but he gets the $9 million regardless. If you're not getting incremental pay, you're working for $0.
That's true. But the contract apparently requires him to try to "mitigate" his damage--i.e., to find another job. And even if it didn't, the law generally imposes such a requirement in contract cases.

So he wouldn't be looking for a new job merely "out of love for the game."

[GoMuskies]

I'm not sure I agree with you about the law in the employment context. Sounds like his contract requires him to at least pretend to try to find another job, though. So LOOKING for another job: required. Actually TAKING another job: love of the game.

[casualfan]

So if Thibs takes another job, it's just for the love? He'll essentially be working for free?

If there is a guy who would coach basketball "for the love of the game" it's Thibs.

That dude is an animal.

[casualfan]

It is. So if he couldn't secure a job next year (because all of them get filled before they fired him) they were going to owe him at least $4.5mm (for next year) and any shortfall for the following season (since he presumably would get a job by then). If they fire him now and he picks up a gig for next year (and beyond) it's just the shortfall.

I'd be interested to see the mitigation provisions in the coaches' contracts. Theoretically, other teams could play with house money by paying Thibs below-market for the first 2 years and making it up in the later years of his contract. No different for him. A nice "discount" for the new employer...

Would be hilarious if he signed a $1 contract with someone.

[LA Muskie]

I'm not sure I agree with you about the law in the employment context. Sounds like his contract requires him to at least pretend to try to find another job, though. So LOOKING for another job: required. Actually TAKING another job: love of the game.

It's pretty well settled that mitigation is required even in the employment context. That's certainly the law here in CA. And it appears to be the law in IL. Gray v. Mundelein Coll., 296 Ill. App. 3d 795, 809 (1998) ("A plaintiff has a duty to mitigate damages. In breach of employment contract cases, this duty includes seeking other employment.").

I don't know what his contract says, but if he is offered $4mm/yr to coach the Pelicans I'm guessing he can't just say "no thanks" and take the Bulls' $4.5mm/yr instead. He probably needs to tank the interview. For which he should look to George Costanza (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3AMRHXMfjs), who was a pro...

[GoMuskies]

This wouldn't be a breach of contract case.

[LA Muskie]

This wouldn't be a breach of contract case.
Depends on how the contract is structured and what it says. But I see your point. Since it almost certainly covers the mitigation issue, I guess this is all a "red herring" anyway. (Someday I'll bother to look up the genesis for that absurd legalism...)

[Masterofreality]

, I guess this is all a "red herring" anyway. (Someday I'll bother to look up the genesis for that absurd legalism...)

Per Wikipedia, which of course we know is NEVER wrong:

"Conventional wisdom has long supposed it to be the use of a kipper (a strong-smelling smoked fish) to train hounds to follow a scent, or to divert them from the correct route when hunting; however, modern linguistic research suggests that the term was probably invented in 1807 by English polemicist William Cobbett, referring to one occasion on which he had supposedly used a kipper to divert hounds from chasing a hare, and was never an actual practice of hunters. The phrase was later borrowed to provide a formal name for the logical fallacy and literary device."

[LA Muskie]

Per Wikipedia, which of course we know is NEVER wrong:

"Conventional wisdom has long supposed it to be the use of a kipper (a strong-smelling smoked fish) to train hounds to follow a scent, or to divert them from the correct route when hunting; however, modern linguistic research suggests that the term was probably invented in 1807 by English polemicist William Cobbett, referring to one occasion on which he had supposedly used a kipper to divert hounds from chasing a hare, and was never an actual practice of hunters. The phrase was later borrowed to provide a formal name for the logical fallacy and literary device."
Thanks MOR -- you saved me the trouble!

[STL_XUfan]

Thanks MOR -- you saved me the trouble!
https://33.media.tumblr.com/c1df1d7f17e1ee837578cb6ccf912a57/tumblr_mzob9g73o41s9kboko3_500.gif

[Juice]

Shannon Russell ‏@slrussell 4m4 minutes ago
The Des Moines Register's @RandyPete has @CoachChrisMack on his list for Fred Hoiberg's replacement at Iowa State: http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/college/iowa-state/cyclone-insider/2015/06/01/next-list-iowa-state-coaching-candidates/28131227/ …

[D-West & PO-Z]

Shannon Russell ‏@slrussell 4m4 minutes ago
The Des Moines Register's @RandyPete has @CoachChrisMack on his list for Fred Hoiberg's replacement at Iowa State: http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/college/iowa-state/cyclone-insider/2015/06/01/next-list-iowa-state-coaching-candidates/28131227/ …

Interesting they think Mack is destined for Ohio St. I have never heard that. Are they just making that up or has anyone heard that is Macks dream job of sorts? Weird.

[Chalmers0]

Interesting they think Mack is destined for Ohio St. I have never heard that. Are they just making that up or has anyone heard that is Macks dream job of sorts? Weird.

Given some of the other names and reasons in that article I'm pretty confident in saying that the writer is relatively clueless and just making things up as he goes.

[casualfan]

Given some of the other names and reasons in that article I'm pretty confident in saying that the writer is relatively clueless and just making things up as he goes.

Bingo. Anyone who thinks Mack, Altman or Miller would consider that job is just flinging shit at the wall.

[powerofX]

Given some of the other names and reasons in that article I'm pretty confident in saying that the writer is relatively clueless and just making things up as he goes.

Can't believe I read that shit show of an article. Complete garbage. List off random coaches...insert random comments.

[X-man]

Here is another list based on what others are collectively saying: http://www.widerightnattylite.com/2015/5/29/8683633/iowa-state-fred-hoiberg-coaching-replacements. I can't believe that it won't be Hornacek based upon the possibility of playing "hornyball" with his daughter Abby.

[Cheesehead]

That writer should give his check back. I guess I could be a candidate as well.

[DC Muskie]

The headline of this article should be:

Guys I have read about for other jobs.

[Chalmers0]

Bingo. Anyone who thinks Mack, Altman or Miller would consider that job is just flinging shit at the wall.

Those were great, but throwing Fran Fraschilla in there had to be my absolute favorite.

[Muskie]

Those were great, but throwing Fran Fraschilla in there had to be my absolute favorite.

He's not coached since 2002, but don't think the game has passed him by!