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xubrew
05-06-2015, 12:32 PM
Okay, when it comes to the ten (maybe 11) leagues that regularly have their first place team land inside the bubble (AAC, ACC, SEC, B10, BE, B12, P12, MWC, A10, WCC and maybe the MVC) I don't care what they do as far as their conference tournaments are concerned. In most cases, the most deserving teams don't end up needing the automatic bid to get in, so it really doesn't matter.

With everyone else, it's absurd to have the conference tournament at a predetermined site with standard seeding. The Patriot League, Northeast and Atlantic Sun are at campus sites all throughout. The America East has now gone to that...FINALLY...after several years in a row the first place team was forced to play a road game against a lower seeded team and ended up getting knocked out. Other leagues like the MAC, Southland, Big West (at least at times), the Sun Belt (finally), etc, have ladder formats instead of standard seeding, so even though the tournament isn't at campus sites, there is still some advantage to winning it.

The leagues that don't do this, like the Big South, Summit League, SoCon, and MAAC (which for two years played its tournament in a state that didn't even have a MAAC team in it), are really missing out. Three reasons.

-For starters, they rob themselves of what would be a far more intriguing regular season. In the ASun where you had three teams neck and neck down the stretch for the last two years, the regular season was hugely important because it determined who would have home court advantage.

-Secondly, the tournament itself is fantastic. Everyone commented on how great they thought the North Florida atmosphere was. Same with Saint Francis Brooklyn in the NEC. The MAAC and Big South have none of that. What should have been an electric conference final between Manhattan and Iona was played a couple hundred miles away in an arena where no one showed up.

-Third, they make it more difficult for their best team to make the NCAA Tournament. For years and years and years and years, the Sun Belt had a really good team that kept losing in the tournament. Middle Tennessee actually made it as an at-large one year, but other than that it worked against them. The year they finally did get their best team in after changing the format, Georgia State got to the round of 32. So, I'd say the change was a good thing.

So, instead of the Big South, who had seven teams tied for first place in the second half of the conference season having all these big games that would impact home court advantage, and having an exciting tournament in an electric atmosphere at campus sites, and helping their best team get there, they kind of screwed themselves.

The Big Sky and Horizon Leagues, who's tournaments and regular seasons have been really good for the last several years with multiple teams fighting for the first place spot all the way to the final game of the season, have decided to do away with that and play their tournaments at a predetermined site.

Well done. Very well done. Way to make something that was exciting and had some meaning, which was the regular season, and make it mean virtually nothing.

paulxu
05-06-2015, 12:37 PM
Brew, you may be spending too much time on these other conferences.

DC Muskie
05-06-2015, 02:39 PM
I knew who wrote this thread before I even opened it. At some point, I will take the time to actually read it. But I'm proud of myself for guessing correctly something easy as this.

X-band '01
05-06-2015, 02:43 PM
I knew who wrote this thread before I even opened it. At some point, I will take the time to actually read it. But I'm proud of myself for guessing correctly something easy as this.

Shocking that DC would say this for someone not named Snipe.

LA Muskie
05-06-2015, 03:30 PM
I for one really appreciate Brew's posts like these. They are highly informative, interesting, and provide me with information that I didn't know and couldn't easily get. Thanks Brew.

X-band '01
05-06-2015, 04:13 PM
Thing is, even with a ladder format Murray State still screwed up in the end by losing to Belmont (albeit on a neutral floor in Nashville).

Personally, I don't think that the OVC, for example, would be any less or more interesting if they play the championship game on a team's home floor.

xubrew
05-06-2015, 04:30 PM
Thing is, even with a ladder format Murray State still screwed up in the end by losing to Belmont (albeit on a neutral floor in Nashville).

Personally, I don't think that the OVC, for example, would be any less or more interesting if they play the championship game on a team's home floor.

I didn't feel nearly as sorry for Murray State as the rest of the country did. They went undefeated, but they didn't have to play at Belmont or EKU. They still needed overtime to beat EKU, and it was after EKU blew a seven point lead (or something like that) in the last minute or so. Had there been a third place game between Murray and EKU, Murray would have likely lost that one as well.

I know Murray had the best record, but in this case I think the format allowed the best TEAM to get in, even if it wasn't the team with the best paper, if that makes sense.

GoMuskies
05-06-2015, 04:32 PM
They won the league by 5 games. Any argument that Murray was not the best team is...strange.

xubrew
05-06-2015, 04:40 PM
They won the league by 5 games. Any argument that Murray was not the best team is...strange.

I know. I didn't think they'd win the tournament, though. I honestly didn't think they'd get past Morehead, which they almost didn't. I can't point to anything on paper to explain it, but at least in the last week or two of the season, they just didn't look like the best team.

To be fair, I thought EKU was going to win the tournament, and they didn't win it either.

DC Muskie
05-06-2015, 05:47 PM
Shocking that DC would say this for someone not named Snipe.

I'm not sure exactly what this means. My post was all in good fun.

X-band '01
05-06-2015, 06:23 PM
I'm not sure exactly what this means. My post was all in good fun.

I believe you. I just meant I figured you would say that after one of Snipe's 3 AM rants.

DC Muskie
05-06-2015, 08:48 PM
I believe you. I just meant I figured you would say that after one of Snipe's 3 AM rants.

Those are too easy to spot.

xubrew
05-08-2015, 10:54 AM
I knew who wrote this thread before I even opened it. At some point, I will take the time to actually read it. But I'm proud of myself for guessing correctly something easy as this.

What made you think it was me?

Actually, don't answer that.

xubrew
09-13-2015, 09:43 AM
The MAC has also decided to stop using a ladder format and will now play a standard seeded/bracketed tournament.

I have no idea why conferences are starting to think that it's a good idea to do LESS to help out their first place team, which is their best and most deserving team, when it comes to the conference tournament.