Rick Carter to Depaul

[THRILLHOUSE]

http://www.bigeastcoastbias.com/2015/4/8/8372949/dave-leitao-hires-xavier-assistant-rick-carter-to-same-role-at-depaul

I figured Mack would have to fill a coaching opening this offseason, but thought it would be someone to replace Steele, not Carter. (of course still a chance Steele gets a head coach gig somewhere and there will be 2 openings on the staff)

[waggy]

I don't like it.

[Masterofreality]

I have no inside info on this, but very possibly Rick's idea of what thing should have been done defensively did big jive with what CMack wanted.

I trust the Head Coach in these types of things.

[waggy]

I have no inside info on this, but very possibly Rick's idea of what thing should have been done defensively did big jive with what CMack wanted.

I trust the Head Coach in these types of things.

Or possibly his offensive ideas were offensive.

Or possibly he didn't like chinese carryout.

The possibilities are endless.

[Xaveriana]

Or possibly they are just old friends that like working together. Always a conspiracy at XH. :-)

[XUFan09]

Or possibly they are just old friends that like working together. Always a conspiracy at XH. :-)
Yup. He gets a promotion to associate head coach too, which sets him up well for a head coaching job in the future.

These things just happen in the coaching world. Sure, sometimes there are disagreements and there are some assistants who aren't really missed by the head coach, but most of the time, it's just business as usual. No need to invent narratives. Carter is an assistant I will miss. I suspect he is one Mack will miss too, even if he understands the business.

[sirthought]

I think if I were an assistant and had the chance to move from Cincy to Chicago...for people of a certain age and family status, that is attractive.


Would Dave Bezold be worth considering? I know he was a head coach and might not want to step down, but he wouldn't have to move his family. He knows the area and could probably manage the team if needed better than some younger, less experienced coach.

[XUFan09]

I think if I were an assistant and had the chance to move from Cincy to Chicago...for people of a certain age and family status, that is attractive.


Would Dave Bezold be worth considering? I know he was a head coach and might not want to step down, but he wouldn't have to move his family. He knows the area and could probably manage the team if needed better than some younger, less experienced coach.
Does he have D1 recruiting ties, though?

[Xavgrad08]

Losing assistant coaches is part of the business and I understand that. I would prefer they go to a team outside of the Big East. Ashley Howard at Villanova and Carter now at DePaul. Will be interesting to see who Chris Mack taps.

[OH.X.MI]

If Steel takes Green Bay or any other open job we are going to be in a tight spot. Very interested to see how this plays out

[DC Muskie]

This job will be very appealing. I look forward to seeing who joins the staff and kicking DePaul's ass.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

Would rather lose Carter than Steele.

[Emp]

I have no inside info on this, but very possibly Rick's idea of what thing should have been done defensively did big jive with what CMack wanted.

I trust the Head Coach in these types of things.

Except with the hedge.

[xukeith]

I am sure last year and every year, Mack and every D1 coach has a list of assistants they want on their staff if they lose one or more assistant as every AD has a list of coaches to hire and replace a head coach.

[GoMuskies]

Maybe he got fired. Only plausible explanation for heading to that shit hole.

[xu82]

I am sure last year and every year, Mack and every D1 coach has a list of assistants they want on their staff if they lose one or more assistant as every AD has a list of coaches to hire and replace a head coach.

I'm sure that's a very important list for every coach. I just hope we can get who he wants, and pray they are upgrades. Tough to do, but this is no time to slide backwards. Travis would be very hard to replace. Recruiting generally takes long established relationships.

[xu82]

Maybe he got fired. Only plausible explanation for heading to that shit hole.

But apparently he's moving up to "#2 shit hole leader".

[casualfan]

Maybe he got fired. Only plausible explanation for heading to that shit hole.

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[RealDeal]

I know who Rick Carter is, but I forgot who Depauls head coach is. Because they suck.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Is it bad that when I read the title of the thread I had no idea who Rick Carter was?

[XUFan09]

I know who Rick Carter is, but I forgot who Depauls head coach is. Because they suck.
You know they fired the old coach, right? And the new guy is Leitao, one of the old coaches who actually had moderate success there. They won't be great, but they probably won't suck either.

[GoMuskies]

Is it bad that when I read the title of the thread I had no idea who Rick Carter was?

He's the guy on our bench whose only national TV appearance consisted of being shit on by his boss.

[D-West & PO-Z]

He's the guy on our bench whose only national TV appearance consisted of being shit on by his boss.

I missed that. Which game and why?

[GoMuskies]

I missed that. Which game and why?

Villanova. He made a suggestion for how we should change up our defense, and Mack shot him down.

[RealDeal]

You know they fired the old coach, right? And the new guy is Leitao, one of the old coaches who actually had moderate success there. They won't be great, but they probably won't suck either.

Yes I knew op was gone, didn't really pay attention to who they hired. They are probably the most boring program in the BE, IMO.

[XUFan09]

Yes I knew op was gone, didn't really pay attention to who they hired. They are probably the most boring program in the BE, IMO.
Definitely the most boring. They chose a safe hire with weak upside.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Villanova. He made a suggestion for how we should change up our defense, and Mack shot him down.

How did we find that out? Did Mack address it post game? Or could you tell on TV?

[XUFan09]

Villanova. He made a suggestion for how we should change up our defense, and Mack shot him down.
Lol not the first and definitely not the last time a boss shoots down his subordinate.

[GoMuskies]

Lol not the first and definitely not the last time a boss shoots down his subordinate.

Typically doesn't happen on national TV, though.

[GoMuskies]

How did we find that out? Did Mack address it post game? Or could you tell on TV?

The cameras were allowed into the locker room for the halftime "coaches' meeting".

[sirthought]

Does he have D1 recruiting ties, though?

Are you joking?

He's been a D1 coach for two years. And being at NKU since 1990 he's probably recruited the same circles as anyone in this region.

[XUFan09]

Are you joking?

He's been a D1 coach for two years. And being at NKU since 1990 he's probably recruited the same circles as anyone in this region.
Two years. The remaining time was spent recruiting D2 athletes. Yes, those D2 guys are sometimes on the same team as the D1 guys, but the recruitment is often very different. It's one thing to convince a guy to go to a low-major versus a high-major. It's very different to convince a guy to play a completely different division of basketball.

[waggy]

The cameras were allowed into the locker room for the halftime "coaches' meeting".

Personally not a fan of the cameras in the time out huddles or the halftime meetings. I wouldn't miss them if they went away.

[xu82]

Personally not a fan of the cameras in the time out huddles or the halftime meetings. I wouldn't miss them if they went away.

I can understand the downside, but I actually like the glimpse into what's going on, what the coaches message is and what his demeanor is. Having said that, in the locker room they appear a little too aware that the camera is there sometimes. I want to be able to look - without them knowing I'm looking. Yes, creepy, I know! (But in a good way?)

[Milhouse]

I think it's clear these means Steele is staying around another year. Definitely a net positive in the end. Carter was good, but he's nowhere near as important as Steele is.

[SlimKibbles]

I think it's clear these means Steele is staying around another year. Definitely a net positive in the end. Carter was good, but he's nowhere near as important as Steele is.

What about this move makes it clear that Steele is staying?

[Juice]

What about this move makes it clear that Steele is staying?

That Rick doesn't see an opportunity for advancement on the "depth chart" of the XU coaching staff so he took the job that allowed him to move up. I don't know if I agree with that thinking, but I understand the point being made.

[TUclutch]

I think it's clear these means Steele is staying around another year. Definitely a net positive in the end. Carter was good, but he's nowhere near as important as Steele is.

Don't get ahead of yourself. Steele may stay, but he is definitely still exploring all of his options for next season. He is on the radar more and more each year.

[Mrs. Garrett]

Villanova. He made a suggestion for how we should change up our defense, and Mack shot him down.

Maybe Mack should have listened.

[xu82]

Maybe Mack should have listened.

I thought the same thing. How much worse could it have been? I believe he wanted to pick guys up sooner. Why not, leaving them alone they were killing us! Oh well. Another Sweet 16 will have to do.

[Milhouse]

Don't get ahead of yourself. Steele may stay, but he is definitely still exploring all of his options for next season. He is on the radar more and more each year.

While this is true he did remove his name from the NKU search in the 11th hour. I think that was the most likely job he would've taken.

[GoMuskies]

Did he remove his name, or did he just not get the job?

[xavierj]

Did he remove his name, or did he just not get the job?

Heard he pulled his name and that he could have had the job but who knows. I don't think Brannen was the top target.

[casualfan]

While this is true he did remove his name from the NKU search in the 11th hour. I think that was the most likely job he would've taken.

The removing of names at the 11th hour always seems a bit odd to me.

Like, what possibly came up that far into negotiations that made you change your mind?

I think a lot of times it is a face saving move when it looks like you aren't going to get a job.

[Milhouse]

Heard he pulled his name and that he could have had the job but who knows. I don't think Brannen was the top target.

THis was the general consensus from what I've heard. It was steele's job to lose.

[GoMuskies]

I think a lot of times it is a face saving move when it looks like you aren't going to get a job.

Pretty much

[casualfan]

Pretty much

Yeah, it just doesn't make that much sense to get that far into the process and have something pop up as a deal breaker.

I totally understand why guys do it, but it makes me laugh every year.

[Muskie]

I for one am happy our assistants are getting looks at either HC gigs (Steele) or moving up on someone's bench. If our assistants weren't getting offered other jobs, that would worry me much more than losing one.

[LA Muskie]

The removing of names at the 11th hour always seems a bit odd to me.

Like, what possibly came up that far into negotiations that made you change your mind?

I think a lot of times it is a face saving move when it looks like you aren't going to get a job.

In general I think this is true. But in this instance I understand Steele was given a short period of time to decide (because NKU was starting to lose its alternative options) and he just wasn't prepared to pull the trigger. It wasn't really that a specific negotiating point soured the deal. Steele just wasn't ready to pull the trigger when they needed a decision. Brannen was next man up.

[TUclutch]

Larry Austin Jr tweeted: "Cant believe anything anyone says" Wonder what thats about

[GoMuskies]

Larry Austin Jr tweeted: "Cant believe anything anyone says" Wonder what thats about

Probably a woman.

[xu82]

An important life lesson...

[X-Fan]

For whatever it's worth, nice gesture:

"@rickcarter23: Thank you Xavier Nation!! http://t.co/nDSRivIybx"
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[xu82]

Nice gesture indeed. And a wise move... you just never know.

[XUFan09]

For whatever it's worth, nice gesture:

"@rickcarter23: Thank you Xavier Nation!! http://t.co/nDSRivIybx"
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https://xkcd.com/1373/

[muethibp]

6 pages into the thread and no one has mentioned - unless I missed it - how we now have to replace Carter's dog barking defense encouragement? His barking was one of the most exciting parts of the season.

[Xavier]

I have no idea what you're talking about.

[markchal]

6 pages into the thread and no one has mentioned - unless I missed it - how we now have to replace Carter's dog barking defense encouragement? His barking was one of the most exciting parts of the season.

I thought London was the barker on defense.

[LadyMuskie]

I thought London was the barker on defense.

It was definitely one of the assistant coaches as well. I won't miss it if it leaves with Carter.

[TUclutch]

Apparently it is done to signal they need one more defensive stop to get 3 in a row. I think it is hysterical and I hope it stays. Its fun

[Masterofreality]

By the way..


What about hiring Brian Thornton as the new Assistant? He's one of the smartest guys to ever wear an XU uniform and has been an assistant now for 5 years. I loved now he played and he knows how to play and teach.

[XU 87]

6 pages into the thread and no one has mentioned - unless I missed it - how we now have to replace Carter's dog barking defense encouragement? His barking was one of the most exciting parts of the season.

what exactly did he do?

[Muskie]

By the way..


What about hiring Brian Thornton as the new Assistant? He's one of the smartest guys to ever wear an XU uniform and has been an assistant now for 5 years. I loved now he played and he knows how to play and teach.

Brian would be a huge asset. I hope he gets a look.


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[muethibp]

what exactly did he do?

He barked loudly at the beginning of certain defensive possessions (someone in the thread said it signified getting three stops in a row which is possible). That's what he did - he barked loudly.

[XU 87]

He barked loudly at the beginning of certain defensive possessions (someone in the thread said it signified getting three stops in a row which is possible). That's what he did - he barked loudly.

That's kinda odd.

[bjf123]

That's kinda odd.

Ya think? My seats are behind the X bench, so I never get a chance to hear what's being yelled, or apparently barked, towards to court.


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[LadyMuskie]

Apparently it is done to signal they need one more defensive stop to get 3 in a row. I think it is hysterical and I hope it stays. Its fun
It's annoying as hell. My parents' seats are right near the bench and it starts to get on everyone's nerves. I'm not even sure Mack likes it all the time.

[TUclutch]

Makinde London was one of the guys who did the most barking. Carter may have started it, but London was the guy. It was absolutely hysterical and the fact that it has a legit message behind it for the guys on the floor makes it better. Shannon Russel did do a story/series of tweets a while back that confirmed the meaning of the barking.

[GoMuskies]

Could be why our defense was so bad at times last year: the guys on the court found the barking so annoying that they never wanted to get two defensive stops in a row for fear of having to hear that barking on the third trip down the floor.

[RealDeal]

Is Dante Jackson a possibility?

If this was already discussed I apologize, didn't read the whole thread.

[Juice]

Is Dante Jackson a possibility?

If this was already discussed I apologize, didn't read the whole thread.

No

[LadyMuskie]

Makinde London was one of the guys who did the most barking. Carter may have started it, but London was the guy. It was absolutely hysterical and the fact that it has a legit message behind it for the guys on the floor makes it better. Shannon Russel did do a story/series of tweets a while back that confirmed the meaning of the barking.

Yeah. I know what the barking means. It doesn't change the fact that it was annoying or that sometimes when it started, Mack turned around and glared at the bench.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Yeah. I know what the barking means. It doesn't change the fact that it was annoying or that sometimes when it started, Mack turned around and glared at the bench.

I have never heard it but if it went on all year, I have a feeling if Mack didnt like it, it would not have continued.

[Lamont Sanford]

I only remember Makinde barking from the bench. I thought it was hilarious.

[LadyMuskie]

I have never heard it but if it went on all year, I have a feeling if Mack didnt like it, it would not have continued.

I can only tell you what we saw from our second row seats.

[TUclutch]

Yeah. I know what the barking means. It doesn't change the fact that it was annoying or that sometimes when it started, Mack turned around and glared at the bench.

You must be pretty uptight if a couple bench players having fun(while having a meaning behind it) annoys you. Relax a little bit.

[gladdenguy]

You must be pretty uptight if a couple bench players having fun(while having a meaning behind it) annoys you. Relax a little bit.

I agree. Staying home and watching the games would be a better option if some "barking" is going to annoy you.......nonetheless by the team you are rooting for.

[casualfan]

Has anyone heard any possibilities for replacements? I'm kind of surprised we're this far into the open evaluation period and haven't really heard anything.

[XUFan09]

Has anyone heard any possibilities for replacements? I'm kind of surprised we're this far into the open evaluation period and haven't really heard anything.
Jeremy Grows is allowed to recruit while we're down an assistant, so we're not really hurting. It probably won't be much longer though, I suspect.

[JTG]

I heard yesterday Kate Upton is joining the staff as lead recruiter. The 5Stars will be standing in line.

[casualfan]

Jeremy Grows is allowed to recruit while we're down an assistant, so we're not really hurting. It probably won't be much longer though, I suspect.

I'm sure Jeremy is a nice guy, but to suggest him being out on the road as opposed to an experienced recruiter isn't hurting us is crazy IMHO.

If him being in that position wasn't hurting us then he'd have a permanent spot at that position...

[XUFan09]

I'm sure Jeremy is a nice guy, but to suggest him being out on the road as opposed to an experienced recruiter isn't hurting us is crazy IMHO.

If him being in that position wasn't hurting us then he'd have a permanent spot at that position...
Whoever gets hired is probably also on the recruiting trail right now, just with another school. The relationships he is developing will in many ways carry over.

[Juice]

I'm sure Jeremy is a nice guy, but to suggest him being out on the road as opposed to an experienced recruiter isn't hurting us is crazy IMHO.

If him being in that position wasn't hurting us then he'd have a permanent spot at that position...

We aren't recruiting anyone for 2015 anyways. They have an entire year at least for the 2016 class "to make up" for this lost time. They're fiiiiiiine.

[casualfan]

Jeff Borzello ‏@jeffborzello 25s25 seconds ago
Xavier's Chris Mack has tabbed Rhode Island's Luke Murray as his new assistant coach, sources told ESPN.

Strong New England/Northeast ties.



Can't imagine this happens unless Luke got some assurances that Mack is not leaving.

[XU3232]

Jeff Borzello ‏@jeffborzello 25s25 seconds ago
Xavier's Chris Mack has tabbed Rhode Island's Luke Murray as his new assistant coach, sources told ESPN.

Strong New England/Northeast ties.



Can't imagine this happens unless Luke got some assurances that Mack is not leaving.

Fore sure... can't imagine that either. Great sign.

[THRILLHOUSE]

and now Rick Carter has already left DePaul, and coaching all together (for now anyway, he seems to think he'll be a head coach someday) - https://twitter.com/rickcarter23/status/872565854679990272

[Mrs. Garrett]

and now Rick Carter has already left DePaul, and coaching all together (for now anyway, he seems to think he'll be a head coach someday) - https://twitter.com/rickcarter23/status/872565854679990272

Yeah "left" DePaul. Would you want your Associate Head Coach working on a side project while your program is shit and he's not getting any decent recruits?

DePaul has a new President starting 7/1. When he started his job at Seton Hall one of the first things he did was replace the AD.

People in the DePaul Athletic Department are getting nervous. This is assistant coach #2 out the door since the end of the season.

[Muskie]

Yeah "left" DePaul. Would you want your Associate Head Coach working on a side project while your program is shit and he's not getting any decent recruits?

DePaul has a new President starting 7/1. When he started his job at Seton Hall one of the first things he did was replace the AD.

People in the DePaul Athletic Department are getting nervous. This is assistant coach #2 out the door since the end of the season.

They have a new building coming up. Unless they want it to continue to be a road fan friendly venue (no complaints from me), they need to do something.

[X-band '01]

Maybe this is why Carter is no longer at DePaul:

Chicago Tribune - DePaul Coach Dave Leitao and AD Jean Louis Ponsetto Get Orders of Protection Against Former Assistant Coach (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-depaul-dave-leitao-jean-lenti-ponsetto-protection-20181017-story.html)

[IM4X]

Maybe this is why Carter is no longer at DePaul:

Chicago Tribune - DePaul Coach Dave Leitao and AD Jean Louis Ponsetto Get Orders of Protection Against Former Assistant Coach (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-depaul-dave-leitao-jean-lenti-ponsetto-protection-20181017-story.html)

Oh my.