2015-2016 Starting 5 and next 5 for the Season Opener

[MADXSTER]

I'm going with....

Larry Austin Jr
Myles Davis
JP Macura
Trevon Bluiett
Jalen Reynolds

Remy Abel
James Farr
Sean O'Mara
Edmond Sumner
Makinde London

Shooters in the first group and length in the second group.

[xu82]

I'm going with....

Larry Austin Jr
Myles Davis
JP Macura
Trevon Bluiett
Jalen Reynolds

Remy Abel
James Farr
Sean O'Mara
Edmond Sumner
Makinde London

Shooters in the first group and length in the second group.

The first group will need everyone hitting the boards, but what really jumps out is this: That's a lot of good basketball players!

[D-West & PO-Z]

What I would guess it would be is:

Austin Jr
Myles
Trevon
Farr
Jalen

I feel pretty confident about Trevon, Farr, and Jalen starting. Not so sure about Myles, it could be Remy but I think Myles is going to take another jump that will make it hard to not start him. PG is the real question mark next year.

[MADXSTER]

It's hard for me not to have Remy as a starter which he deserves to be, but having him come off the bench and be a spark plug would be awesome. When you have a 6th man who is a legit starter, you have a very good team.

[Wheelhouse]

Starting 5:

Austin Jr.
Davis
Bluiett
Farr
Reynolds

Next 5:
Abel
Macura
Sumner
London
O'Mara

I think it's possible we could add a 5th year transfer or another recruit. Even if we don't, hot damn, we're deep.

[Wheelhouse]

Starting 5:

Austin Jr.
Davis
Bluiett
Farr
Reynolds

Next 5:
Abel
Macura
Sumner
London
O'Mara

I think it's possible we could add a 5th year transfer or another recruit. Even if we don't, hot damn, we're deep.

I'd also like to add that I like Larry Austin, Jr. and I think he's going to be good, but I'm secretly hoping that Sumner turns out to be the balls, starts immediately and is lights out.

[Xville]

I'm going with....

Larry Austin Jr
Myles Davis
JP Macura
Trevon Bluiett
Jalen Reynolds

Remy Abel
James Farr
Sean O'Mara
Edmond Sumner
Makinde London

Shooters in the first group and length in the second group.

Maybe for the non conference I'd be ok with that starting five but for big east play that is way too small in my opinion..plus you need guys who can do different things and myles, jp and bluiett all do the same exact thing as of right now. In my opinion need to have another big in there and either a Remy or if he is ready to go Sumner. If we don't have a slashing get to the rim guard in our lineup next year, we are going to have serious issues. Only reason we didn't in most cases this year was because stain was such a great passer out of the post. Don't think we will have that next year...they will be fine but not as good as stain. Someone is going to have to step up and collapse the defense.

[mid major]

It's hard for me not to have Remy as a starter which he deserves to be, but having him come off the bench and be a spark plug would be awesome. When you have a 6th man who is a legit starter, you have a very good team.

Ah yes. Think of James Posey.

[MADXSTER]

I'd also like to add that I like Larry Austin, Jr. and I think he's going to be good, but I'm secretly hoping that Sumner turns out to be the balls, starts immediately and is lights out.

If Sumner or Gates or anyone else who comes in becomes a starter, then Xavier will be balls to the wall deep.

Also keep in mind that Gates is ranked as the #1 PF coming out of Georgia.

[MADXSTER]

Maybe for the non conference I'd be ok with that starting five but for big east play that is way too small in my opinion..plus you need guys who can do different things and myles, jp and bluiett all do the same exact thing as of right now. In my opinion need to have another big in there and either a Remy or if he is ready to go Sumner. If we don't have a slashing get to the rim guard in our lineup next year, we are going to have serious issues. Only reason we didn't in most cases this year was because stain was such a great passer out of the post. Don't think we will have that next year...they will be fine but not as good as stain. Someone is going to have to step up and collapse the defense.

Agree, that is why this was stated for the season opener.

[XUFan09]

Austin, Jr.
Myles
Bluiett
Jalen
Farr

Abell
Sumner
Macura
O'Mara
London

Some people are worried about Farr being a starter, but I'm not really. He will probably be one of the best rebounders in the league, maybe even in the nation; he knows defensive positioning better than Jalen (and Stain); and with the rhythm of more minutes, he should be alright on offense as a role player.

Sumner's lack of D1 experience will probably lead to him coming off the bench, which also allows him to sub in at the 1 or 2, wherever he is most needed. I have faith in Austin starting, even if it could be rocky at times with only underclassmen at the point.

Bluiett will make a big sophomore jump, I believe, and it wouldn't shock me if he and Reynolds compete for the label of "team's best player."

Abell and Myles will keep flipping back and forth on who's starting and who's coming off the bench, based on matchups and how each player is performing in practice at that time.

Macura will make a big sophomore jump too, I think, and will be a more respectable player in the packline (still great in the 1-3-1, of course).

O'Mara will be the workhorse who comes off the bench first at the 4 or 5 and will make Xavier fans feel good about the center position in 2016-2017.

London will show flashes of being a future star along with inconsistencies in his first year of D1. The thing with high-potential players is you often see more of potential than actual performance early on.

[MADXSTER]

Austin, Jr.
Myles
Bluiett
Jalen
Farr

Abell
Sumner
Macura
O'Mara
London

Some people are worried about Farr being a starter, but I'm not really. He will probably be one of the best rebounders in the league, maybe even in the nation; he knows defensive positioning better than Jalen (and Stain); and with the rhythm of more minutes, he should be alright on offense as a role player.

Sumner's lack of D1 experience will probably lead to him coming off the bench, which also allows him to sub in at the 1 or 2, wherever he is most needed. I have faith in Austin starting, even if it could be rocky at times with only underclassmen at the point.

Bluiett will make a big sophomore jump, I believe, and it wouldn't shock me if he and Reynolds compete for the label of "team's best player."

Abell and Myles will keep flipping back and forth on who's starting and who's coming off the bench, based on matchups and how each player is performing in practice at that time.

Macura will make a big sophomore jump too, I think, and will be a more respectable player in the packline (still great in the 1-3-1, of course).

O'Mara will be the workhorse who comes off the bench first at the 4 or 5 and will make Xavier fans feel good about the center position in 2016-2017.

London will show flashes of being a future star along with inconsistencies in his first year of D1. The thing with high-potential players is you often see more of potential than actual performance early on.

Agree with everything. I think you will see a jump in Myles as well. To me, two years ago was a wash. He was coming back from a knee injury and IMO was expected to do too much especially at the end of the season. The gas tank was emtpy. This season he maintained much better but still hasn't hit his stride. He could see spot PG duties as well.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Remy will be a senior and a returning starter, I'd be pretty surprised if he isn't in the starting 5 in the opener next year.

So I'll go:

Austin
Bluiett
Abell
Farr
Reynolds

Davis
JP
Sumner
O'Mara
London

I think this will change at some point in the season, but this is my prediction for the opener.

[Masterofreality]

Remy will be a senior and a returning starter, I'd be pretty surprised if he isn't in the starting 5 in the opener next year.

So I'll go:

Austin
Bluiett
Abell
Farr
Reynolds

Davis
JP
Sumner
O'Mara
London

I think this will change at some point in the season, but this is my prediction for the opener.

I agree.

[X Factor]

Austin / Sumner
Abell / Myles
Bluiett / JP / Makinde / Gates
Reynolds / Makinde / Gates
O'Mara / Farr

[Wheelhouse]

Remy will be a senior and a returning starter, I'd be pretty surprised if he isn't in the starting 5 in the opener next year.

Good point about Remy probably starting at the beginning of the season since he'll be a senior. I might exchange him for Myles in my starting five. But again, the beauty of all these different answers and options proves one thing - we are going to be deep next year, man. Deep.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Yeah I think Remy might start out starting but the jump I am expecting from Myles I think he will be hard to keep out of the starting lineup.

I am also expecting Farr to make a big jump. I think he will be a monster on the boards. I think by the end of next year we will all be starting a thread thanking Jumping Jimmy Farr for continuing the excellent senior play/leadership we expect from seniors at XU. I am not worried about Farr at all.

[Xavier]

Can Makinde play the 3? I don't expect him to do much of that his freshman year but I love the idea of that type of length at the 3. Also, I can't remember if this was a Miller thing or a Mack thing also- do freshman in Macks system generally only play/learn one position their freshman year?

[bobbiemcgee]

O'Mara, Makinde and Jalen/James. Trees in the post.

[XUFan09]

Can Makinde play the 3? I don't expect him to do much of that his freshman year but I love the idea of that type of length at the 3. Also, I can't remember if this was a Miller thing or a Mack thing also- do freshman in Macks system generally only play/learn one position their freshman year?
Makinde is more suited to the 3 than Martin ever was because of his ball handling and lateral quickness. Martin was more suited to the 4 because of his strength and rebounding.

[MADXSTER]

Also, I can't remember if this was a Miller thing or a Mack thing also- do freshman in Macks system generally only play/learn one position their freshman year?

For the most part freshman only play one position, but Makinde will have a year of practice under his belt so he should be able to play two positions if needed.

[XUFan09]

For the most part freshman only play one position, but Makinde will have a year of practice under his belt so he should be able to play two positions if needed.
Plus, Mack is clearly willing to teach a freshman two positions if they're quick to learn, with Dez, Semaj, and Trevon being the most recent examples.

[OH.X.MI]

Remy will be a senior and a returning starter, I'd be pretty surprised if he isn't in the starting 5 in the opener next year.

So I'll go:

Austin
Bluiett
Abell
Farr
Reynolds

I think this will change at some point in the season, but this is my prediction for the opener.

Ya, I really cant see a situation where Abell doesn't start.

[MADXSTER]

Ya, I really cant see a situation where Abell doesn't start.

If you wanted to create more depth for next season and at the same time more experience for the following year to make a run then I could see that happening.

[XfansinKy]

Remy will be a senior and a returning starter, I'd be pretty surprised if he isn't in the starting 5 in the opener next year.

So I'll go:

Austin
Bluiett
Abell
Farr
Reynolds

Davis
JP
Sumner
O'Mara
London

I think this will change at some point in the season, but this is my prediction for the opener.
Yea that's probably the safe bet.

[D-West & PO-Z]

If you wanted to create more depth for next season and at the same time more experience for the following year to make a run then I could see that happening.

Yeah agree. I have a hard time imagining a scenario where Myles doesnt start. Or at least doesnt take over a starting spot. I dont know I guess Myles could bring a lot of offense off the bench.

[xu82]

Ya, I really cant see a situation where Abell doesn't start.

I agree, but we've all seen starting and minutes are different issues. How many games did Farr start and finish with 12 minutes? I can't wait to see the lineup next year. Having said that, Remy brings a lot to the table. I just don't know who's going to step up the most. I expect a lot of competition and several guys really stepping up big time.

[X-Fan]

This is fun, feels like a fantasy basketball draft!

Fun, but unlikely, starting 5:
Myles
Remy
Trevon
Jalen
Farr

Logical Starting 5:
Austin Jr.
Remy
Bluiett
Farr
Reynolds

Next 5:
Myles
Macura
Gates
Sumner
London
O'Mara

Man, these guys are going to be fighting for PT next year!

Obviously, with Matts departure there's a good amount of minutes up for grab. I see O'Mara & Gates splitting minutes.

I'd love to see Mack somehow grab a 5th year Sr. PG transfer. Might hurt the development of Sumner, but could enable Team 94 to be special.

[letskeepitreal]

Man, adding a fifth year senior would really make a bigger fight for minutes. We are all assuming that Randolph is gone which I think is a pretty fair assumption. Is Gates the only true freshman(other than London and Sumner of course)? Next few year s will have tremendous teams

[paulxu]

Team is nicely balanced for next year.
3 Fr and Jrs, 4 So, and 2 seniors...with one opening (two if Randolph transfers).

Can't wait.

[XURunner85]

Starting 5 to start the season:
Larry Austin Jr.
Remy Abel
Trevon Bluiett
James Farr
Jalen Reynolds

Next 5
Myles Davis
JP Macura
Edmond Sumner
Makinde London
Sean O'Mara

[bleedXblue]

We have some nice pieces returning. I think we need/would take a 5th year transfer if we could get the right PG or SF. JUCO could be an option as well.

[Murph85]

While I don't like speculating on starters and such for next year, I sure like seeing the players listed and the possibilities. Never has X had more depth and talent. As was the case this year I would bet the starting five will be very related to the effort put out in practice by the players. CM has that luxury.

I would not mind adding that 4 star player from Cleveland St Edward either.

[ForTUitous]

The piece that is missing is a veteran point guard. I like Larry and I think Sumner has some great potential. BUT I would love to see X pick up a fifth-year senior PG. Anthony Collins from USF comes to mind. I don't want to use a scholarship on a two-year JUCO PG.

[Juice]

We have some nice pieces returning. I think we need/would take a 5th year transfer if we could get the right PG or SF. JUCO could be an option as well.

They aren't really any good JUCO players anymore.

[THRILLHOUSE]

This is fun, feels like a fantasy basketball draft!

Fun, but unlikely, starting 5:
Myles
Remy
Trevon
Jalen
Farr



I actually could see Mack trying Myles as the point in some lineups. I almost went with this as my lineup, but I think Mack liked Austin's development late in the year so he probably gets the nod at the start of the season.

[xuwin]

Starting 5 to start the season:
Larry Austin Jr.
Remy Abel
Trevon Bluiett
James Farr
Jalen Reynolds

Next 5
Myles Davis
JP Macura
Edmond Sumner
Makinde London
Sean O'Mara

Need more offensive firepower in the starting unit. Need to move either JP or Miles to the #1 unit.

[X-Fan]

I actually could see Mack trying Myles as the point in some lineups. I almost went with this as my lineup, but I think Mack liked Austin's development late in the year so he probably gets the nod at the start of the season.


Need more offensive firepower in the starting unit. Need to move either JP or Miles to the #1 unit.
Ya, that was my thought with getting Myles in there somehow. His offense could both get X out to better offensive starts in games, AND get Myles going faster as well. I see great things for JP, but unless he starts valuing possessions more and improves his Man to Man, I see him being the offensive spark plug off the bench. Probably the 1st or 2nd guy off the bench. Guess we'll see!

[Smooth]

Does anyone know if Tim Stainbrook can be a good enough post defender and rebounder to play a couple minutes a half if needed? I'm thinking of a scenario where one of our Big 3 (Farr, Reynolds, O'Mara) gets in early foul trouble and the other two will need a rest occasionally. Sure we will still have London and Gates and can move Bluiett, but we might be playing a team with a strong frontcourt and I am assuming London and Gates will be like most freshmen and their defense will be slower to develop than their offensive skills.

Stenger and Andy Taylor both filled this role, although they were forced into that due to lack of depth which shouldn't be a problem next year.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Does anyone know if Tim Stainbrook can be a good enough

No.

[smileyy]

I'm looking at this more from a depth chart point of view, and from a PG/Wing/Big point of view:

PG: Myles / Austin
Wings: Abell / Bluiett / Myles / Macura / Sumner
Bigs: Reynolds / Farr / O'Mara / London / Gates

That's 11 talented players, 8 of them returning from this years, 6 of whom were a regular part of the rotation this year.

[xeus]

Remy will be a senior and a returning starter, I'd be pretty surprised if he isn't in the starting 5 in the opener next year.

So I'll go:

Austin
Bluiett
Abell
Farr
Reynolds

Davis
JP
Sumner
O'Mara
London

I think this will change at some point in the season, but this is my prediction for the opener.

This is where I am on next season, knowing what we know now.

However, I'm not seeing the depth that some are. I see us 7 deep right now. Nothing proven by the other 3 yet, so, in my chart, they aren't even in the rotation yet. That said, I suspect Chris will play deep, and see how we do over the course of the year.

I do think Myles and JP are both primed for solid seasons.

We're counting on Larry a lot. I like what I saw from him this year, and I suspect Chris will go with him as the man from Day One. Myles can certainly run some serviceable backup minutes at point, but I think we all know that Coach has to go with his man Larry.

[X-Fan]

I asked Rick Broering the following question today:
"@dmallette: Rick if you don't mind speculating, what do u think are the odds X picks up a 5th yr transfer PG to help next yr?"
His response:
“@musketeerreport: @dmallette I think it's pretty likely they get a fifth year guy. I don't know for sure that he'll be a PG.”

From that response it appears that Mack feels pretty good about going with Larry and whoever would back him up next year, and that it's very likely X will pickup a 5th yr transfer. Guess we'll see.


BTW, stuff like this is why Twitter is great. Quick info, accessability to experts, very conversational.

[RoseyMuskie]

This is where I am on next season, knowing what we know now.

However, I'm not seeing the depth that some are. I see us 7 deep right now. Nothing proven by the other 3 yet, so, in my chart, they aren't even in the rotation yet. That said, I suspect Chris will play deep, and see how we do over the course of the year.

I do think Myles and JP are both primed for solid seasons.

We're counting on Larry a lot. I like what I saw from him this year, and I suspect Chris will go with him as the man from Day One. Myles can certainly run some serviceable backup minutes at point, but I think we all know that Coach has to go with his man Larry.

I was pleased with O'Mara's limited minutes this season. Staying in a back-up role, I believe he will do just fine. Therefore, if just Sumner or Makinde plays well, X is 9 deep and in good shape.

[sirthought]

Yeah, I'm surprised more of you aren't talking about O'Mara playing a bigger role. I thought his natural instincts were very impressive. He just needed to become more accustom to seeing defenses...and having Stainbrook off the floor wasn't preferred. Not ideal to have both Stainbrook and O'Mara out there.

But...he just might slide into Stainbrook's spot, allowing Reynolds to work at power forward, which I believe he is suited for.

Ideally, Farr and Reynolds get their collective heads on straight to correct whatever offense/defense issues they still have. My hope is O'Mara makes a big jump in conditioning and knowledge of the system... and just might start. Reynolds could excel with a bit more freedom to move around the court. Plus, if O'Mara handles banging more on the inside, Reynolds can avoid fouls (hopefully).

[sirthought]

Is it possible we see Able playing a bit at the point?

His handle may be better than Myles and I see him defending that spot (really 1-3) better than Myles.

With the limited time Austin played, I just can't speculate on him running the team from day one.

Macura and Davis will both be champing at the bit for PT at shooting guard. Bluiett SHOULD be playing more at the three than the four. And London will be looking for minutes between the three and the four (for now).

This makes Able the odd man out. He's too experienced not to have him starting, so playing point might be an option. (This is heavy thinking about "what if.")

[XUFan09]

Is it possible we see Able playing a bit at the point?

His handle may be better than Myles and I see him defending that spot (really 1-3) better than Myles.

With the limited time Austin played, I just can't speculate on him running the team from day one.

Macura and Davis will both be champing at the bit for PT at shooting guard. Bluiett SHOULD be playing more at the three than the four. And London will be looking for minutes between the three and the four (for now).

This makes Able the odd man out. He's too experienced not to have him starting, so playing point might be an option. (This is heavy thinking about "what if.")

Who's actually starting isn't that big of a concern, as Abell will still be getting starter minutes. Coaches talk a lot about how the starting spots are much more a point of pride for players than anything strategic, so they serve as a good motivational tool (which is itself strategic, but you know what I mean). Remy, Myles, and Macura will all be rotating at the 2 and 3.

I also disagree with the "should" for Bluiett playing at the three over the four. Bluiett's time at the four wasn't just an answer for Xavier's defensive issues against shooters, as Bluiett himself presents serious matchup issues for power forwards. He can easily play the three, but as matchups dictate, it could be highly beneficial to Xavier for him to be at the four. Like this past season, he'll probably continue to split his time between the positions.

[X Factor]

Yeah, I'm surprised more of you aren't talking about O'Mara playing a bigger role. I thought his natural instincts were very impressive. He just needed to become more accustom to seeing defenses...and having Stainbrook off the floor wasn't preferred. Not ideal to have both Stainbrook and O'Mara out there.

But...he just might slide into Stainbrook's spot, allowing Reynolds to work at power forward, which I believe he is suited for.

Ideally, Farr and Reynolds get their collective heads on straight to correct whatever offense/defense issues they still have. My hope is O'Mara makes a big jump in conditioning and knowledge of the system... and just might start. Reynolds could excel with a bit more freedom to move around the court. Plus, if O'Mara handles banging more on the inside, Reynolds can avoid fouls (hopefully).

I'm pretty high on O'Mara. He's got good size, and showed some nice moves in limited minutes. He was stuck behind Stain, Farr, and Jalen this year, but he showed flashes in limited minutes.

I think he could be turn into a very solid center down the road. In fact, I could see him starting at the 5 next year alongside Jalen or James.

[toledodan]

Starting 5 to start the season:
Larry Austin Jr.
Remy Abel
Trevon Bluiett
James Farr
Jalen Reynolds

Next 5
Myles Davis
JP Macura
Edmond Sumner
Makinde London
Sean O'Mara

my thoughts as well. almost two seperate starting groups. O'mara and farr imo is key for our success next year. james must improve and sean must give us a inside force.

[xuwin]

I asked Rick Broering the following question today:
"@dmallette: Rick if you don't mind speculating, what do u think are the odds X picks up a 5th yr transfer PG to help next yr?"
His response:
“@musketeerreport: @dmallette I think it's pretty likely they get a fifth year guy. I don't know for sure that he'll be a PG.”

From that response it appears that Mack feels pretty good about going with Larry and whoever would back him up next year, and that it's very likely X will pickup a 5th yr transfer. Guess we'll see.


BTW, stuff like this is why Twitter is great. Quick info, accessability to experts, very conversational.

Whether it's a point guard or not may depend on Randolph's final status.

[xuwin]

Xavier has enough length now to go with a small lineup that's really not too small which is the first time I can remember us having that luxury.
Xavier could put a lineup on the floor without anybody under 6'-5". How about Reynolds, O'Mara, Bluiett, Abell, Sumner? The options if we want to run a 3 guard lineup are now Austin, Abell, Davis, Macura, Sumner, Bluitt and maybe Randolph. Before when we have gone with the small lineup small has usually included 2 players 6' or under. I think the days are over when we have 6'-1" guards at the 2 position.

[Wheelhouse]

Yeah, I'm surprised more of you aren't talking about O'Mara playing a bigger role. I thought his natural instincts were very impressive. He just needed to become more accustom to seeing defenses...and having Stainbrook off the floor wasn't preferred. Not ideal to have both Stainbrook and O'Mara out there.

But...he just might slide into Stainbrook's spot, allowing Reynolds to work at power forward, which I believe he is suited for.

Ideally, Farr and Reynolds get their collective heads on straight to correct whatever offense/defense issues they still have. My hope is O'Mara makes a big jump in conditioning and knowledge of the system... and just might start. Reynolds could excel with a bit more freedom to move around the court. Plus, if O'Mara handles banging more on the inside, Reynolds can avoid fouls (hopefully).

I'm not as high on O'Mara as some people. I was pretty unimpressed with what I saw. Not saying he won't turn into a productive rotation guy but I didn't see much this year.

[Masterofreality]

I'm not as high on O'Mara as some people. I was pretty unimpressed with what I saw. Not saying he won't turn into a productive rotation guy but I didn't see much this year.

More than you saw from Jason Love in his freshman year.

Sean O'Mara will be a force.

[Wheelhouse]

I was so impressed with the jump that Myles made this year and he'll be an integral part of this team for the next two years. But he is not a point guard. I'll trust our recruiting of Austin and Sumner and assume one or both of them will be running this team from the point. If Myles is doing it for extended minutes next year I think we're in trouble.

[X-Fan]

More than you saw from Jason Love in his freshman year.

Sean O'Mara will be a force.
Ya, I thought Sean looked good in limited minutes. He had good instincts, played decent D, and had a few offensive moves for points. Just think he'll be behind Jalen and Farr. See him getting 10-15 minutes a game. Sean probably would have played more this year, but X's offense was dependent on a center who can post up and pass to open shooters. Sean just wasn't experienced enought to be in there for very long periods.

One thing that will be hard to know until the season starts is how the offense will change. Mack already alluded to it in the Presser after Zona. I see them going back to more of a drive & dish offense with some post up game mixed in. I think this will enable X to be able to "plug n play" with any combo of our bigs. This team should be able to really light it up next year.

[Wheelhouse]

More than you saw from Jason Love in his freshman year.

Sean O'Mara will be a force.

Ha. Totally fair and EXACTLY what I was thinking when I was typing the post.

I hope you're right. I want all these guys to be great! Just calling this one as I see it as of today. As we've seen over the years, improvement is all in the player's hands. Here's to hoping O'Mara kills it and shoves that post right down my throat. Nothing would make me happier.

[MADXSTER]

Keep in mind that Sumner was supposedly pushing Dee at PG at the beginning of the season. Not saying he would have taken the starting position but was ahead of Austin and Randolph. IMO Myles is a great floor general and I could see him doing well on offense but guarding a PG may be a bit too much.

[smileyy]

I forget which thread had the discussion of Jalen's NBA prospects, but I'll hijack this one, because I've given it some thought:

Jalen Reynolds has a lot of work to do before he becomes an NBA prospect. That's "good" for Xavier in the sense that they'll probably have a mature and developed 24 year old 4th year post player. Bad in the sense that it was nice having Xavier be Power Forward U, and its been a while since that's been true.

[ballyhoohoo]

Is it possible we see Able playing a bit at the point?

His handle may be better than Myles and I see him defending that spot (really 1-3) better than Myles.

With the limited time Austin played, I just can't speculate on him running the team from day one.

Macura and Davis will both be champing at the bit for PT at shooting guard. Bluiett SHOULD be playing more at the three than the four. And London will be looking for minutes between the three and the four (for now).

This makes Able the odd man out. He's too experienced not to have him starting, so playing point might be an option. (This is heavy thinking about "what if.")



Conditioning was not one of Sean's problems. He was the most prepared freshman big we've had defensively. More serviceable then Kenny as a freshman.

[smileyy]

Sean is seriously jacked too. Dang.

[markchal]

I think Remy or Trevon will be the odd man out, unless we go really small. Need Myles starting at the 2 because we don't have the same shooting from Austin (yet) that we got from Dee. It's really hard to pick five out of the six that really make sense, but IMO we need the shooting too much to keep Myles out of the starting 5.

[Lloyd Braun]

I think Remy or Trevon will be the odd man out, unless we go really small. Need Myles starting at the 2 because we don't have the same shooting from Austin (yet) that we got from Dee. It's really hard to pick five out of the six that really make sense, but IMO we need the shooting too much to keep Myles out of the starting 5.

While you are worried about offense, I would almost guarantee Mack is worried more about defense. It's hard for me to picture both Austin and Myles starting. Remy and Trevon will be starting barring major changes.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I think the only locks in the starting lineup next year are Trevon, Farr, and Jalen.

I think Austin makes sense at PG but who knows what Sumner shows or if we pick up a transfer.

I think the biggest question mark will be who starts Myles or Remy. I think Myles is going to be too good of a player, assuming the continued improvement I am expecting, not to start. But it is also hard to not start Remy who is our best defender on the wing.

I do agree with some though if our lineup is Austin, Remy, Trevon, Farr and Jalen we might be a little offensively challenged. Unless Remy really steps up his halfcourt offense.

It will be interesting to see. I think we can be assured of seeing some lineup changes as the year progresses too as we usually do.

[X-Fan]

I think Remy or Trevon will be the odd man out, unless we go really small. Need Myles starting at the 2 because we don't have the same shooting from Austin (yet) that we got from Dee. It's really hard to pick five out of the six that really make sense, but IMO we need the shooting too much to keep Myles out of the starting 5.

Which is why I keep leaning toward Remy coming off the bench. Other than that, the only solution is to have Myles at PG. IMO, there's NO WAY Trevon isn't starting. He started his whole Freshman year, showed improvement (besides his offensive struggles) especially on D, and I see him having a BIG Sophomore year. Like 1st Team All Big East big.

Larry
Myles
Trevon
Jalen
Farr

or

Myles
Remy
Trevon
Jalen
Farr

[X Factor]

I wouldn't be surprised if Sumner wasn't starting at point guard. The kid has ALL the tools to be an impact player. 6'5 with length, quickness, good handles, and athleticism.

Actually, I think he WILL be our starting PG next year.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Which is why I keep leaning toward Remy coming off the bench. Other than that, the only solution is to have Myles at PG. IMO, there's NO WAY Trevon isn't starting. He started his whole Freshman year, showed improvement (besides his offensive struggles) especially on D, and I see him having a BIG Sophomore year. Like 1st Team All Big East big.

Larry
Myles
Trevon
Jalen
Farr

or

Myles
Remy
Trevon
Jalen
Farr

Yes, I am leaning this way as well. The only way for Remy and Myles to start is most likely if Myles is playing PG. If it isnt both of them I tend to think Myles will win out. As earlier in this thread my prediction is:

Larry
Myles
Trevon
Farr
Jalen

[D-West & PO-Z]

I wouldn't be surprised if Sumner wasn't starting at point guard. The kid has ALL the tools to be an impact player. 6'5 with length, quickness, good handles, and athleticism.

Actually, I think he WILL be our starting PG next year.

Yeah this is a wild card too. If he is healthy and had a chance to develop enough and can truly be a PG than I could see him starting too. I just dont know enough about how he progressed this year with his knees and what his true PG abilities are.

I would love to have a 6'5 PG though.

[markchal]

I'm not quite as high on Trevon as some in this thread, although it may be due to his tournament no-show. I still think he's an incredible player, but if he's first-team All-BE as a sophomore, this is probably a top 10 team. I think he will play starter minutes and will definitely be one of our best players, but now I'm almost preferring to see

Austin
Myles
Remy
Farr
Jalen

As some pointed out, we probably need the defensive presence of Remy (although Austin will be a capable defender IMO). Trevon at the 3 doesn't give us enough to offset what we lose from Remy in the starting lineup (having someone to lock down top opposing guard/wing, someone who can score in transition and knock down wide open jumpers).

A good problem to have though, because when I started this thread I assumed the only two iron-clad starters would be Jalen and Trevon.

[xukeith]

Travis from CSU might mix up everything. At 6 foot or 6'1 he may earn starting pg role. It depends on is it X or Louisville???????????

[X-Fan]

I'm not quite as high on Trevon as some in this thread, although it may be due to his tournament no-show. I still think he's an incredible player, but if he's first-team All-BE as a sophomore, this is probably a top 10 team. I think he will play starter minutes and will definitely be one of our best players, but now I'm almost preferring to see

Austin
Myles
Remy
Farr
Jalen

As some pointed out, we probably need the defensive presence of Remy (although Austin will be a capable defender IMO). Trevon at the 3 doesn't give us enough to offset what we lose from Remy in the starting lineup (having someone to lock down top opposing guard/wing, someone who can score in transition and knock down wide open jumpers).

A good problem to have though, because when I started this thread I assumed the only two iron-clad starters would be Jalen and Trevon.

No offense, but I do not like that lineup. With Myles in there, you have one reliable shooter. Also, Remy is not a SF. Yes he's 6' 4", but he plays like a guard (not a dig on him, he's just not a Forward). I realize that Jalen should get the ball a high percent of the time, but teams need to fear the kickout. With that lineup, they really only have to worry about Myles. Don't get me wrong, Remy has had some solid moments and hit some big shots, but he wasn't a consistent threat (disappearing at times). Also, as I stated before, I don't think we lose that much on D with Trevon in there.

Again, most of this is moot. As I see Mack mixing up lineups quite a bit at the start of the season to see who steps up.

[markchal]

No offense, but I do not like that lineup. With Myles in there, you have one reliable shooter. Also, Remy is not a SF. Yes he's 6' 4", but he plays like a guard (not a dig on him, he's just not a Forward). I realize that Jalen should get the ball a high percent of the time, but teams need to fear the kickout. With that lineup, they really only have to worry about Myles. Don't get me wrong, Remy has had some solid moments and hit some big shots, but he wasn't a consistent threat (disappearing at times). Also, as I stated before, I don't think we lose that much on D with Trevon in there.

Again, most of this is moot. As I see Mack mixing up lineups quite a bit at the start of the season to see who steps up.

OK, but considering many want to plug in Trevon for Myles, we'd still be left with one reliable shooter and I think Myles is much quicker and more reliable from outside. I could be talked into the Austin, Myles, Trevon lineup but, like someone else brought up earlier, Mack is going to be much more concerned with our defense, which makes Remy a much more likely start IMO.

We will probably see many varieties of starting lineups again next year.

[XUFan09]

Travis from CSU might mix up everything. At 6 foot or 6'1 he may earn starting pg role. It depends on is it X or Louisville???????????
You mean Trey Lewis.

[paulxu]

I would love to have a 6'5 PG though.

This.

[muskienick]

If height is not the issue as a match-up against the opposition:
Larry
Myles
Remy
Trevon
Jalen

If height IS an issue due to match-ups:
Myles
Remy
Trevon
James
Jalen

If Edmond comes as advertised, all bets are off.
If the kid from Cleveburg State picks XU, all bets are off
If Gates proves his 4-star status, all bets are off.
If London beefs up without losing all his agility, all bets are off.
If Sean O'Mara blossoms now that Matt's shadow won't be cast upon him, all bets are off.

It just dawned on me if all 5 of those "If's" were to happen, that would make a great "second starting five" a la UK!

[THRILLHOUSE]

Jon Rothstein ‏@JonRothstein 2m2 minutes ago
Remember the name Edmond Sumner RT @mattbrannon21: @JonRothstein how good will Xavier be next year?

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I think what last year should have taught us all is that Mack is not the type of coach to sit on a starting lineup and be stubborn about it. He is going to roll with the hot hands and kids who are practicing hard. That said, I saw Myles play the point this year and it wasn't great. Austin/Sumner need to be PGs or a transfer for this team to be successful.

[spursy]

When do we get official word that sumner's medical redshirt was accepted?

[xufan2434]

I think what last year should have taught us all is that Mack is not the type of coach to sit on a starting lineup and be stubborn about it. He is going to roll with the hot hands and kids who are practicing hard. That said, I saw Myles play the point this year and it wasn't great. Austin/Sumner need to be PGs or a transfer for this team to be successful.

I agree.. Myles was capable of bringing the ball up the floor, correct. But it's different than getting guys in the correct spots like Dee would do. Myles playing point also takes away from him playing off the ball. Sumner has a ton of talent but he has a lot of work to do with his body for him to be competing at a high level IMO.

[markchal]

I think what last year should have taught us all is that Mack is not the type of coach to sit on a starting lineup and be stubborn about it. He is going to roll with the hot hands and kids who are practicing hard. That said, I saw Myles play the point this year and it wasn't great. Austin/Sumner need to be PGs or a transfer for this team to be successful.

I agree with the PG part. The lineups, I think were part Mack not knowing what he had plus just having so much inexperience. Some of his lineups made no sense (the Nova game and Butler in the BE tournament stand out). He has a much better idea of what he's working with for next year.

[Xville]

is Sumner even healthy? Does anyone know?

[LA Muskie]

When do we get official word that sumner's medical redshirt was accepted?

Not sure we will. It's a non-issue. He qualified and will be granted the waiver in due course. No one is giving it a second thought.

[NY44]

I'm surprised to see so many of you so high on James Farr. If London is a semi-decent post player, and can add any offensive value at all, I think you start him over Farr. I see the big issue with out big men being Jalen's foul trouble. I saw that as the only reason Farr started over him at times this year. If Jalen can play significant minutes without consistently getting into foul trouble we'll be much more flexible with our front court sets.

[X-Fan]

I'm surprised to see so many of you so high on James Farr. If London is a semi-decent post player, and can add any offensive value at all, I think you start him over Farr. I see the big issue with out big men being Jalen's foul trouble. I saw that as the only reason Farr started over him at times this year. If Jalen can play significant minutes without consistently getting into foul trouble we'll be much more flexible with our front court sets.

Farr played/started because he has mature size and rebounds like a MAN. A bulked up London is unlikely to be able to rebound as well. Don't under value James Farr. His rebounding helped win a number of games for X this year.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Farr played/started because he has mature size and rebounds like a MAN. A bulked up London is unlikely to be able to rebound as well. Don't under value James Farr. His rebounding helped win a number of games for X this year.

Agreed. I cant see any scenario in which the season opens up and Farr isnt starting. He is the best rebounder on our team and has made improvements each year so far. I wont be surprised in the least if next year at this time we are talking about Farr being yet another senior who made big strides and really stepped up at the end of his senior yr to help his team in a big way.

[X-Fan]

Agreed. I cant see any scenario in which the season opens up and Farr isnt starting. He is the best rebounder on our team and has made improvements each year so far. I wont be surprised in the least if next year at this time we are talking about Farr being yet another senior who made big strides and really stepped up at the end of his senior yr to help his team in a big way.

Now, that doesn't mean there wont be games where he is out for extended minutes. Mack is smart enough to ride the hot had or hot lineup. I could see Farr averaging 8 pts (with 1.5 3 pt shots made), 11 rbs, and 2 blocks a game. That would be a perfect amount of contribution from him next year.

[XUFan09]

Agreed. Also, it wasn't simply because of foul trouble that Farr started. Besides rebounding better than just about anyone in the conference, he was fundamentally better on defense than Jalen.

Anyway, I don't see London being much of a rebounder as a freshman, even bulked up.

[xu82]

Yeah, as excited as I am about London, bulking him up to the point of being effective around the basket may be more than a one year project.

This may be the longest off-season ever...

[NY44]

Agreed regarding the rebounding and defense. He's phenomenal in those departments, but adds little to no offensive value. We need consistent points in the paint and we just lost 12 a game and 76% shooting in Stainbrook. Farr shooting 42% and 29% from 3 isn't going to cut it. Obviously there's no concrete evidence that London, Gates or O'Mara can come even close to filling Stain's offensive void, but I think they have a better shot than Farr. Maybe not a enough good reason to not start him, but I can see scenarios where he doesn't.

[waggy]

We won't be near as good offensively, but will be better defensively. Hopefully one of the two point guards can shoot from 3. And defend. And not turn it over.

[MADXSTER]

We won't be near as good offensively, but will be better defensively. Hopefully one of the two point guards can shoot from 3. And defend. And not turn it over.

I think Xavier will be better defensively and offensively throughout the entire season.

[XUFan09]

We won't be near as good offensively, but will be better defensively. Hopefully one of the two point guards can shoot from 3. And defend. And not turn it over.

Yup. Actually, late in this season, I loved Farr at the 5 and Reynolds at the 4 when it came to defense. There was good overall mobility* that didn't sacrifice size, and the team had great rim protection. Neither Reynolds nor Farr is a great shot-blocker individually (just really good) but together they are a great duo.

*Emphasis on not sacrificing size. You don't get a pair of well-built 6'10" players that move much better than that.

[waggy]

Actually Stain was a good defensive presence against certain teams. Gtown for example.

[XUFan09]

Actually Stain was a good defensive presence against certain teams. Gtown for example.
Yeah, I actually liked Stain on defense when he didn't have to guard an athletic or face-up forward. He was good at putting up a wall against drivers too.

[xu82]

Actually Stain was a good defensive presence against certain teams. Gtown for example.

He looked downright nimble giving up 70 pounds (or more!) to Smith. Stain was not meant to play D 23 feet from the basket, though. GTown was indeed a nice matchup.

[smileyy]

Yup. Actually, late in this season, I loved Farr at the 5 and Reynolds at the 4 when it came to defense. There was good overall mobility* that didn't sacrifice size, and the team had great rim protection. Neither Reynolds nor Farr is a great shot-blocker individually (just really good) but together they are a great duo.


Defense correlates with length, and those two are long for their height.

[X-Fan]

We won't be near as good offensively, but will be better defensively. Hopefully one of the two point guards can shoot from 3. And defend. And not turn it over.


I think Xavier will be better defensively and offensively throughout the entire season.

I think X will be very explosive on offense. Mack already referenced that they will be running a different offense next year, which makes sense because of the different personnel. I see X running a motion offense where anyone has a green light to shoot if open. They'll have to work on their half court offense throughout the year. I'm hoping X runs a similar offence to the 07-08 team. Drive & Dish. With SO many offensive options, it's gonna be fun!

[GoMuskies]

anyone has a green light to shoot if open

Just don't let Farr shoot! Please!!!!

[bobbiemcgee]

Agreed regarding the rebounding and defense. He's phenomenal in those departments, but adds little to no offensive value. We need consistent points in the paint and we just lost 12 a game and 76% shooting in Stainbrook. Farr shooting 42% and 29% from 3 isn't going to cut it. Obviously there's no concrete evidence that London, Gates or O'Mara can come even close to filling Stain's offensive void, but I think they have a better shot than Farr. Maybe not a enough good reason to not start him, but I can see scenarios where he doesn't.


We won't be near as good offensively, but will be better defensively. Hopefully one of the two point guards can shoot from 3. And defend. And not turn it over.


I think Xavier will be better defensively and offensively throughout the entire season.

Frosh and Sophs scored 73 of our 78 pts. in the Providence win. This is the first year in a while I won't worry about offensive production. We have the scorers.

[MADXSTER]

Frosh and Sophs scored 73 of our 78 pts. in the Providence win. This is the first year in a while I won't worry about offensive production. We have the scorers.

Damn, that is impressive.

[XUFan09]

17 of the 24 assists from that game are also graduating. We have some great offensive pieces returning but we lose two of the better passers in Xavier history.

[NY44]

Frosh and Sophs scored 73 of our 78 pts. in the Providence win. This is the first year in a while I won't worry about offensive production. We have the scorers.

Haha come on man, I know you really had to search to find a game where both Stainbrook and Dee laid an egg. You can in no way understate the offensive loss that those two are. They had 30% of our points and a whopping 52% of our assists (Dee had 37%).

[X-Fan]

Frosh and Sophs scored 73 of our 78 pts. in the Providence win. This is the first year in a while I won't worry about offensive production. We have the scorers.


Haha come on man, I know you really had to search to find a game where both Stainbrook and Dee laid an egg. You can in no way understate the offensive loss that those two are. They had 30% of our points and a whopping 52% of our assists (Dee had 37%).

I'm not going to check the percent, but Myles and Jalen went for 17 & 21 against Ga St. So that was pretty good as well.

[GoMuskies]

I appreciate all that Matt and Dee did for the program, but I'm not even a little bit concerned about being better next year than we were this year. Not a doubt in my mind.

[TUclutch]

I appreciate all that Matt and Dee did for the program, but I'm not even a little bit concerned about being better next year than we were this year. Not a doubt in my mind.

Agreed. I will miss them like I miss all xavier players who leave. I hope they do well in their future careers. With that said, I am not concerned at all about replacing them. Certainly won't miss the frustrations that came from Dee

[NY44]

I think we're well equipped to transition out of the Dee Davis Era. Stainbrook is gonna be tough to replace. During halftime of the Arizona game, Kenny Smith said there were no more than 5 big men in the NCAA as skilled as him. I agree. The dynamic of our offense will be much more outside-in without his passing.

[letskeepitreal]

Kids, come and go, transfer or graduate but good programs just roll along. Go X.

[JTG]

I think we're well equipped to transition out of the Dee Davis Era. Stainbrook is gonna be tough to replace. During halftime of the Arizona game, Kenny Smith said there were no more than 5 big men in the NCAA as skilled as him. I agree. The dynamic of our offense will be much more outside-in without his passing.
This

Stain will be hard to replace on the offensive end of the floor, but we should be better on defense, at least quicker.

[MADXSTER]

This

Stain will be hard to replace on the offensive end of the floor, but we should be better on defense, at least quicker.

^^^ This

[bobbiemcgee]

Haha come on man, I know you really had to search to find a game where both Stainbrook and Dee laid an egg. You can in no way understate the offensive loss that those two are. They had 30% of our points and a whopping 52% of our assists (Dee had 37%).


Semaj 17 ppg Martin 12 ppg, Philmore 9 ppg - I think i can.

[xu82]

Isn't this SO MUCH more fun than "which of our 2-3 non-starter scholorship players can contribute a little bit?"

Oh, and we made the Tournament (ahem, play-in game for some).

[Muskied]

Haha come on man, I know you really had to search to find a game where both Stainbrook and Dee laid an egg. You can in no way understate the offensive loss that those two are. They had 30% of our points and a whopping 52% of our assists (Dee had 37%).

That's because it was by design…aka, coaching, aka, offense went through them. It's not like when they leave the staff will say "gee, who the hell is going to pass, shoot or score? Since Matt and Dee left all we have to work with is a bunch of really good basketball players. Crap." I'm VERY confident in the players we have returning, and it's their turn to step up and be the focal point. Will we be different? Sure, I don't expect our center to be second in assists. I also don't expect opposing point guards or centers to get off wide open 3 pointers anymore. I also expect our pg could be more vocal on the floor which helps on defense and creating a sense of urgency. Takeaway- there will be plenty of give and take, and our staff and players will be more than ready. #flagship.

[NY44]

Semaj 17 ppg Martin 12 ppg, Philmore 9 ppg - I think i can.

Neither one of their biggest contributions was in scoring, even though Stainbrook was the leading scorer. They made the people around them better. You could only say that for Maj in that group.

APG '13-'14 Semaj 4.2. Martin 1. Philmore .5. Total: 5.7
APG '14-'15 Dee 6. Stainbrook 2.4. Total 8.4

Also, another statistical difference between the 2 groups is that one got to the Sweet 16. I think we've sufficiently gotten away from the point now. Sumner and Austin will cover Dee's loss. I have no doubt in that. I definitely don't see Jalen or Farr providing what Stainbrook gave to this offense. London might have a shot, but that's only because he hasn't been tested yet. I think we'll have to change our style of play, maybe focus on speed and transition offense now that we're more mobile without Stain.

[XUFan09]

Top 40 offense, top 40 defense; top 20 in neither. That's my call for next year.

I'll amend this prediction if we get Trey Lewis or another immediately eligible impact player. With Lewis, I think the offense will be just as good as last year, maybe better.

[MADXSTER]

Elite 8 - That's my call for next year.

[xu82]

Elite 8 - That's my call for next year.

That will be a nice start.

[markchal]

That will be a nice start.

I think we are a year away still. Need another year of experience at the PG position and for the bigs to get more experience (Jalen more exp being a go-to player getting big minutes, O'Mara and London just getting acclimated to providing good backup minutes) and another year of Blueitt developing into our best player. I think next year will set the stage for a very successful run the year after.

If we get Lewis, that definitely changes a lot. A lot of this depends on how the conference shakes out too, because if we're a top dog, that could set us up nicely for a good seed (which is pretty key in making a deep run).

[gladdenguy]

That is it. A deep run in the tourney does not mean you need a good seed. I would rather have us playing our best basketball of the year.....like this year come tournament time. The first goal is to make it out of the first weekend anyway possible. Once the sweet 16 comes anything can happen. More often than not talent wins out but every year there is a team like Michigan St who is simply playing with confidence. Michigan St is the absolute perfect example. They probably don't have top 10 talent this year (heck they even have a Cleveland St transfer who plays a lot of minutes).
Xavier is never gonna have top 10 talent but like this year and in successful runs we have had.....we have played our best basketball in March. The talent is good enough to make a similar Michigan St run to the final four.
Now, I'm not saying Xavier is on par with Michigan St as a program......but Xavier has as much talent some years as this particular Mich St team has.

Basically all I'm saying is playing best bball in March is more important than seed line.

Next year with Trey Lewis this team will be real talented. Let's count on them playing their best basketball in March like this year and we will have another special run in '16.

[GetUp5]

1/2: Trey Lewis
1/2: Myles Davis
3: Trevon Bluiett
4: Remy Abell
5: Jalen Reynolds

[X-Fan]

1/2: Trey Lewis
1/2: Myles Davis
3: Trevon Bluiett
4: Remy Abell
5: Jalen Reynolds

Are we playing small Power Forwards? Remy is 6' 4". Everybody wants to bench Farr. It's not going to happen. He cleans the glass and has a decent (but inconsistent) shot. If Mack gets Farr to make a few better decisions on offense he will have a great Senior year.

[markchal]

Are we playing small Power Forwards? Remy is 6' 4". Everybody wants to bench Farr. It's not going to happen. He cleans the glass and has a decent (but inconsistent) shot. If Mack gets Farr to make a few better decisions on offense he will have a great Senior year.

His rebounding ability is absolutely overlooked by a lot of fans. Especially in the 1-3-1, which is hard to rebound out of, Farr was a lifesaver on many possessions. I wish Jalen had his rebounding prowess but he does not, Farr is tops in that category and it isn't even close.

[xufan2434]

Are we playing small Power Forwards? Remy is 6' 4". Everybody wants to bench Farr. It's not going to happen. He cleans the glass and has a decent (but inconsistent) shot. If Mack gets Farr to make a few better decisions on offense he will have a great Senior year.

Surprising to me he hasn't developed any kind of low post game to this point. However he can finish at pick and rolls when he actually rolls to the basket, especially on the wing. Get him doing that next year and it'll be a huge bonus. Do agree, his rebounding is unmatched and going to be huge next year.

[casualfan]

Haha come on man, I know you really had to search to find a game where both Stainbrook and Dee laid an egg. You can in no way understate the offensive loss that those two are. They had 30% of our points and a whopping 52% of our assists (Dee had 37%).

Yeah and people act like only the guys doing the scoring have an effect on the offense.

I don't think it is a stretch at all to say Dee and Stain were our best passers.

Also, this:

@SynergySST: Stainbrook created 170 pts via passes out of the post this season, top mark in NCAA by a considerable margin

[X-Fan]

Surprising to me he hasn't developed any kind of low post game to this point. However he can finish at pick and rolls when he actually rolls to the basket, especially on the wing. Get him doing that next year and it'll be a huge bonus. Do agree, his rebounding is unmatched and going to be huge next year.

Yes, the lack of low post game is surprising. If he somehow added that next year, he could come out of nowhere to potentially make 2nd Team Big East. I'm not saying it would happen, but if he averaged 10 & 10 that means he's doing some damage. What makes his role a bit difficult is that he's not the main low post scoring threat, so he needs to clear out in order to allow Matt or Jalen to "go to work".

[markchal]

Yes, the lack of low post game is surprising. If he somehow added that next year, he could come out of nowhere to potentially make 2nd Team Big East. I'm not saying it would happen, but if he averaged 10 & 10 that means he's doing some damage. What makes his role a bit difficult is that he's not the main low post scoring threat, so he needs to clear out in order to allow Matt or Jalen to "go to work".

I think part of his offensive trouble was his quick trigger. I think he knew he was on a short leash and wanted to score as quickly as he could once he got in to maybe justify some more PT. In the last few weeks of the season, he played longer stretches and seemed to embrace his role more. Having more PT next year, it will be interesting to see what he does with more confidence.

[Chalmers0]

His rebounding ability is absolutely overlooked by a lot of fans. Especially in the 1-3-1, which is hard to rebound out of, Farr was a lifesaver on many possessions. I wish Jalen had his rebounding prowess but he does not, Farr is tops in that category and it isn't even close.

Actually according to KenPom numbers, it is very close. Both were actually very elite level rebounders this year. Jalen was actually ranked 34th in the country in defensive rebounding %. Farr did not play enough minutes to qualify, but his % would have put him in the top 10.

[Chalmers0]

Are we playing small Power Forwards? Remy is 6' 4". Everybody wants to bench Farr. It's not going to happen. He cleans the glass and has a decent (but inconsistent) shot. If Mack gets Farr to make a few better decisions on offense he will have a great Senior year.

With that lineup, Bluiett would play the 4 (not sure why he put Remy there). I think Bluiett will play the 4 a decent chunk next year (just like this year), how much will depend on 1) Jalen foul trouble 2) How much O'Mara and London can contribute 3) How well Sumner/other guards play, causing the need for more 3 guard lineups.

[xuwin]

With that lineup, Bluiett would play the 4 (not sure why he put Remy there). I think Bluiett will play the 4 a decent chunk next year (just like this year), how much will depend on 1) Jalen foul trouble 2) How much O'Mara and London can contribute 3) How well Sumner/other guards play, causing the need for more 3 guard lineups.

With Reynolds, Farr, O'Mara and London on the roster I don't think Blueitt will hardly ever play the four.

[xufan2434]

Maybe it's just me, but I don't see London playing that many minutes next year. I think he still might be too small by next season and eventually the rotation will be back to 3 guys with Trevon sliding down. I know he has talent, but I think it's going to take a while for him to get adjusted in his first year.

[waggy]

:smile:

When does summer league start?

[xu82]

:smile:

When does summer league start?

Not soon enough. This will be one of the longest off seasons I can remember.

[X-Fan]

Thought this was interesting. Not sure if anyone posted this year, but ESPN is also thinking Myles will start the season at PG.
http://espn.go.com/blog/ncbrecruiting/on-the-trail/insider/post?id=13322

Not that ESPN's opinion is worth anything in this case, but it's funny to see them also put Myles at PG.

[paulxu]

My horse for a guard taller than 6'2"

[wkrq59]

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Sumner<
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London<
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Myles<
Austin<
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Gates

While our returning and new players aren't as talented as the first 10 John Calipari platooned at UK, I believe platooning could be one of the answers for keeping players happy and productive at least early next season. Run them as the "Blue" and the "Green "units. Or the Reynolds and the O'Mara teams. Doesn't matter. But it works only if players buy into it.
Let's look at each unit's strength's and weaknesses.
The Blues-Reynolds:
STRENGTHS--Experience, overall speed and quickness, will be tough on the boards, all can score especially low. May be the better defensive unit of the two. QUESTIONS: Will Sumner 's health be a problem? Can Bluiett improve his game over the summer and become more than a slashing driver who takes it to the rim? Can Abell improve his shot selection.
This unit has experience, height and overall talent. But everything is predicated on players accepting the scheme.
The Greens--O'Maras:
STRENGTHS--Sean and London or Gates should be able to be strong on the rebounding and more than adequate on offense as a unit. I think Macura has had enough experience playing at the top of that 1-3-1 matchup zone that Chris used so effectively at times ls year and I have seen London be powerful working on either wing when he was at Monteverde. Offensively, I think this Green unit may be just as formidable from three-point range if not better than the Blues. QUESTIONS: Can JP, Myles and Austin provide the leadership to help O'Mara and London form a positive defensive unit? We know Myles and Macura can bomb away from beyond the arch and London can cause problems from 15-feet to 3-point range. But can they do it consistently? But as with the Blues, the whole thing hinges on players willingness to work in the system.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I think we are likely to see our rotation once we settle into the season being more of an 8-9 man rotation than a 10-11 man rotation. Probably depends on if there are anymore graduate transfers out there that we go for. The bulk of the minutes will go to 8 guys:

Abell, JP, Austin, Sumner, Trevon, Farr, Myles, and Jalen.

Then you have O'Mara probably next then London, and then Gates.

My guess.

[Xville]

i think we all need to chill on the Sumner prognostications until we actually see him play in a game...the guy might not even be healthy

[mistabeecee41]

Maybe it's just me, but I don't see London playing that many minutes next year. I think he still might be too small by next season and eventually the rotation will be back to 3 guys with Trevon sliding down. I know he has talent, but I think it's going to take a while for him to get adjusted in his first year.

Derrick Brown was the last tall, lanky, super thin frontcourt player we redshirted. Even after the redshirt, he was a still a tall, lanky, super thin frontcourt player. He was huge for us as a freshmen.

[GoMuskies]

I don't remember Brown playing that huge a role for us as a freshman. He was fantastic against BYU in the NCAA Tournament, but I recall his performance being a complete surprise.

[X-band '01]

You can look at it as a breakout game - similar to what Justin Doellman had against Mississippi State in 2004.

[sirthought]

It took at least a season for Brown to settle in and really show signs of comfort.

[NY44]

Are we playing small Power Forwards? Remy is 6' 4". Everybody wants to bench Farr. It's not going to happen. He cleans the glass and has a decent (but inconsistent) shot. If Mack gets Farr to make a few better decisions on offense he will have a great Senior year.

I don't want to see Farr benched. It's just going to be a long season offensively if he plays the bulk of our minutes. He does have a decent jump shot, but I've always questioned if there's any value in a forward who plays 10 feet away from the basket. I'd say we need a big man who plays 3-5 feet from the basket and shoots 61% like Stain or Jalen, a lot more than we need one who plays on the arc and shoots 42% and 28% from 3. I'd love to see Farr be that guy, but in 3 seasons I just don't see the ability or even desire to work from the post. The way he currently plays doesn't really help our paint or perimeter offense. However, I don't see many alternatives.

[smileyy]

OTOH, David West has made his living as a pro playing at the high post. If Farr can be effective there, he can be valuable. He's also a lot more valuable if he shoots 38% from 3 instead of 25%.

Xavier is probably also ok having Farr be a fifth option on offense when he's on the floor, scoring primarily off of putbacks at tips. I don't think 2015-2016 will be like previous teams that had only 1 or 2 players generating their own offense.

[GoMuskies]

I don't want Farr benched either. I just don't want him to shoot.

[MADXSTER]

Farr will start next year unless there is some change of playing philosophy. I don't mind Farr shooting at all but he needs to shoot in the flow of the offense. Both he and Macura shoot too early in the offensive set(many times Xavier isn't even set up) too often, which means that if they miss there is no rebound and we are one and done. It is much less noticeable if Xavier gets the rebound and they score later in the possession.

It becomes a double edge sword with Farr because he is a big time rebounder and if he takes the outside shot, Xavier is much less likely to get the rebound. Thus his missed shots are much more noticeable.

[GoMuskies]

The fact that he sometimes misses by about three feet makes them pretty noticeable as well.

[NY44]

Agreed regarding Macura. The 1-3-1 is so much more effective with him at the top. On offense I'd like to see him drive a bit more. Him being a 3 pt shooter looked like a delusion at several points this year.

[paulxu]

I believe we have 11 scholarship players.

Has there been any word that we'll fill one or both openings?
Will Tim Stainbrook be given another year of scholarship?

[mistabeecee41]

My guess is that one is being kept open for Washington from NC state. Everybody has been talking about the need for an immediate transfer at the PG spot, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Mack bring in a big if at all possible. London has all the talent in the world (and is still a stick), O'Mara showed some flashes and I'm sure Kaiser could play some 4 if we go small, but we don't have much proven frontcourt depth.

[xu82]

I have no earthly idea, but I'm just so damn glad someone is talking basketball I had to chime in and say thank you! Now, another 50-100 pages, please.

[Olsingledigit]

A few thoughts after reading some of this thread:
1. Agree that we haven't seen Sumner play a full game yet.
2. Given 1. I think we will see a lot of Austin at PG before Sumner
3. Given 1 and 2 I think Myles will start at PG. He has shown the ability to bring the ball down and distribute. Unless he proves vulnerable to a lot of pressure at PG from defenses, I suspect that is all we need with all the other offensive talent we have. I don't think playing PG would hurt his scoring too much either and he plays decent defense.
4. I see Sean as a situational player who could play his way into a lot more minutes. He needs to gain some strength and lose a few lbs.
5. I would not be surprised to see JR come off the bench, at least early in the season. He seems better doing that and it keeps him from one or two early fouls.
6. I expect Trevon to come on with a vengeance for his sophomore year. He dipped at the end of the year, probably mental and some physical exhaustion, but IMO he is a player and will help us more than people think. The better the other low post guys play the more TB will be able to shine.

[Xavier]

More than people think? I feel like most Xavier fans feel TB is the most talented player (offensively, at least) on the team.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

JR will be a beast. With a year of experience, TB will lead the team in scoring.

[bobbiemcgee]

Agreed regarding Macura. The 1-3-1 is so much more effective with him at the top. On offense I'd like to see him drive a bit more. Him being a 3 pt shooter looked like a delusion at several points this year.

He made a lot of rookie mistakes for sure, but had a few good games, similar to Jalen a couple yrs. ago. He's a gym rat, and I expect huge improvements over the summer. His 3 pt. shot looked nervous this yr., but think it will be much smoother coming up.

[xukeith]

That will be a nice start.

I think not next season but the 2016-2017 season will be the best.
Bluiett, O Mara, and Macura Juniors
M Davis and Reynolds Seniors
Sumner and London Sophomores

[xukeith]

I don't want to see Farr benched. It's just going to be a long season offensively if he plays the bulk of our minutes. He does have a decent jump shot, but I've always questioned if there's any value in a forward who plays 10 feet away from the basket. I'd say we need a big man who plays 3-5 feet from the basket and shoots 61% like Stain or Jalen, a lot more than we need one who plays on the arc and shoots 42% and 28% from 3. I'd love to see Farr be that guy, but in 3 seasons I just don't see the ability or even desire to work from the post. The way he currently plays doesn't really help our paint or perimeter offense. However, I don't see many alternatives.

Doellman played outside while undersized 6'5 and 6'6 Justin Cage played more true post. If you remember the Arizona game, ourr guys were gassed (especially Stain)

[kyxu]

I think not next season but the 2016-2017 season will be the best.
Bluiett, O Mara, and Macura Juniors
M Davis and Reynolds Seniors
Sumner and London Sophomores

I think we can all pretty much bank that 2015-16 will be Reynolds' last year.

[Cheesehead]

Reynolds will never see his Senior season and I see Larry Austin as PG before Myles. Myles excels as a shooting scoring guard

[paulxu]

I think Gates can contribute some this year if he can adjust to the speed. He has a great outside shot, and although he's played along one of the best players in the country in next year's class (Kobi Simmons who is lightning quick), the speed and physicality of the college game will be an adjustment I believe. Would love to have him contribute some meaningful backup minutes.

[Juice]

Doellman played outside while undersized 6'5 and 6'6 Justin Cage played more true post. If you remember the Arizona game, ourr guys were gassed (especially Stain)

Ehhhh, not really

[Xavier]

I think we can all pretty much bank that 2015-16 will be Reynolds' last year.

Agreed.

[xukeith]

Reynolds will never see his Senior season and I see Larry Austin as PG before Myles. Myles excels as a shooting scoring guard

JR did promise a FF with him so if he leaves early (dumb) he better deliver this season with a weaker pg and no true center.

[Cheesehead]

JR did promise a FF with him so if he leaves early (dumb) he better deliver this season with a weaker pg and no true center.

I will forgive Jalen for leaving early if he delivers a Final 4!

[BandAid]

JR did promise a FF with him so if he leaves early (dumb) he better deliver this season with a weaker pg and no true center.

I don't think it'd be dumb for JR to leave early...he will have spent four years at X, possibly received his degree. Dude should go get paid.

[DC Muskie]

I'm excited to see how much Sean has improved. For some reason he reminds me of Jason Love.

And when reminded of Jason Love, I also remind myself of how I enjoyed his play.

[muskiefan82]

I'm excited to see how much Sean has improved. For some reason he reminds me of Jason Love.

And when reminded of Jason Love, I also remind myself of how I enjoyed his play.

"..and when I remind myself of how I enjoyed his play, I'm going to want a pancake."

Sorry. If you have kids, you probably heard this too.....

[KingCole]

Check out the last bullet point in the article below. It says Mack is thinking of splitting PG duties between Myles Davis, Larry Austin and Edmond Sumner.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25186047/observations-transfer-robert-carter-could-put-maryland-over-the-top

[MuskieXU]

I think splitting PG duties is the way to go. Myles has proven to be capable, so let him run it at the beginning of the year, and slowly relinquish the duty to Austin/Sumner as the year goes on and they get some more experience.

As for Jalen, I think he will probably go pro after this year. Hes put in his time and is older than most college prospects already. Hopefully he has a big year and a deep run in March to send him off.

[XUFan09]

JR did promise a FF with him so if he leaves early (dumb) he better deliver this season with a weaker pg and no true center.
It's pretty dumb to say leaving early is dumb before the season has even started. What if he has a season like Kansas' Thomas Robinson? They've been comparable players so far, including their prep years. It might be dumb for him not to go if he performs that well, as he would pass up being a lottery pick.

[birdman71]

JR will be a highlight reel next season and go first round!

[xu82]

So where is the Final Four next year? I hope it's somewhere nice. (My only Super Bowl was in Minneapolis. Brrr!) Should we book now to beat the rush?

[94GRAD]

So where is the Final Four next year? I hope it's somewhere nice. (My only Super Bowl was in Minneapolis. Brrr!) Should we book now to beat the rush?

Reliant Stadium in Houston I believe

[xudash]

Reliant Stadium in Houston I believe

I recall that being a not so effective venue during this past season.

[X-band '01]

So where is the Final Four next year? I hope it's somewhere nice. (My only Super Bowl was in Minneapolis. Brrr!) Should we book now to beat the rush?

Link to other NCAA Sites (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_NCAA_Men's_Division_I_Basketball_Tournament)

Des Moines, IA and Brooklyn will be hosting 1st and 2nd round games for the first time.

There is also a chance Villanova could play in Philly in the East regional final since La Salle is hosting at the Wells Fargo Center this year. Also note that there are no domed stadiums hosting early rounds OR regionals for the upcoming season.


Reliant Stadium in Houston I believe

It's actually called NRG Stadium now, but it's the same place.

[XfansinKy]

JR will be a highlight reel next season and go first round!
I agree. After seeing how much muscle Sumner has put on, the same may happen with him this year or next. This team may be the best we have had in a long time.

[xu82]

I agree. After seeing how much muscle Sumner has put on, the same may happen with him this year or next. This team may be the best we have had in a long time.

Well, that sounds iike great news. He didn't seem to have the kind of frame that would easily add a lot of muscle. I hope the knees are 100% so he's not held back at all this year. I do love the idea of some bigger guard play.

[muskienick]

I agree. After seeing how much muscle Sumner has put on, the same may happen with him this year or next. This team may be the best we have had in a long time.

I hope all this comes true, but I've "counted those kinds of chickens" in the past and it never quite came out as expected (or hoped).

[SemajParlor]

For those visual learners out there http://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2015/5/27/8669761/recruiting-updated-xavier-2015-2016-scholarship-chart

Anyone know where the final 4 is in 2017?

[paulxu]

http://www.ncaa.com/futurefinalfour

[SemajParlor]

See ya guys in Arizona.

[XUFan09]

Prediction: Jalen goes in the late first round next year, while Xavier fans pine over what kind of team they could have had if he returned for his senior year.

[xu82]

Prediction: Jalen goes in the late first round next year, while Xavier fans pine over what kind of team they could have had if he returned for his senior year.

Well, that beats: Jalen is a borderline prospect headed to the D league while Xavier fans pine over what kind of team they could have had if he had returned for his senior year.

[XUFan09]

Well, that beats: Jalen is a borderline prospect headed to the D league while Xavier fans pine over what kind of team they could have had if he had returned for his senior year.

Yep. No matter what, I think Jalen is going to make money somewhere next season, and I think Xavier fans should be ready for that. If he comes back for his senior year, it either means his junior year was disappointing or we should be really excited and grateful.