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LadyMuskie
03-27-2015, 12:56 AM
Thank you Dee and Matt for leading us on this amazing journey to the Sweet Sixteen! May you both have nothing but success in your futures!

waggy
03-27-2015, 01:05 AM
It was fun to watch. Thank you!

D-West & PO-Z
03-27-2015, 01:16 AM
Thank you Matt and Dee! You carried us to a great finish, great leadership shown for the young guys!

X Factor
03-27-2015, 01:17 AM
Definitely! Thanks Dee and Stain! You guys will be missed.

Backyard Champ
03-27-2015, 01:18 AM
Not sure what Stainbrooks future plans are, but would love to see him as a coach at X someday.

D-West & PO-Z
03-27-2015, 01:19 AM
Love that Stain got a double double to end his career! 17 and 10 and added 2 blocks!

Caveat
03-27-2015, 01:20 AM
You simply couldn't ask for better faces of the program than Dee and Matt. The leadership void they leave will be enormous, but I'm happy that they both seem to have a bright future playing professionally.

XUOWNSUC
03-27-2015, 01:21 AM
They went out like Gs. Dee averaged something like 14 points a game with a 2 to 1 assist to turnover ratio since the start of the Big East Tournament. Matt averaged something like 15 points and 8 rebounds during that same stretch. Plus, Matt had the announcers drooling over him and praising him all night long.

Dee and Matt can now join the long list of all-time Xavier greats. Thank You!

XMuskieFTW
03-27-2015, 01:22 AM
Two great men I'm proud to call fellow Muskies. Their imprint on this team, the fans, and the university has been enormous. I will miss them both immensely. I hope we see some of stainbrook in O'Mara in the future. The future is bright for this program and it is largely thanks to these two seniors.

SemajParlor
03-27-2015, 01:25 AM
Stainbrook proved tonight he can compete with any big man in the country. A fantastic player that Xavier was lucky to have.


Let's give a special shoutout to Darwin Davis, Jr. This guy saw it all at Xavier. He was there for the ups, the downs, the rights, the wrongs. He backed up, he started, he never once complained. More importantly, he stepped up for us in huge situations. He was the heart of a Sweet 16 team. That right to left transfer tonight on the layup was a heroic Xavier moment. Slow clap for Dee. Fantastic career.

xudash
03-27-2015, 01:25 AM
Thank you Dee Davis and Matt Stainbrook.

Next up: cap and gowns to keep that wonderful thing rolling.

Very proud of Xavier this evening.

blobfan
03-27-2015, 01:26 AM
Going to miss them both. I think Dee's quiet leadership has been under appreciated and hope someone is prepared to step into that gap.

Strange Brew
03-27-2015, 01:27 AM
Thank you Dee and Matt. It was a heck of a ride.

And a special thank you to Matt for NEVER losing to UC. Three out of four isn't bad either Dee. :)

THRILLHOUSE
03-27-2015, 01:44 AM
Going to miss them both. I think Dee's quiet leadership has been under appreciated and hope someone is prepared to step into that gap.

I think Myles will be the leader the next two seasons.

And thank you Matt and Dee, it was a fun ride, best of luck to them in whatever their future endeavors are.

Jesuit4Life
03-27-2015, 02:00 AM
I love Xavier Basketball because of great players and outstanding individuals like Dee Davis and Matt Stainbrook.

sirthought
03-27-2015, 02:16 AM
It's been fun cheering for them both. I wish them nothing but the best for the future.

Jesuit4Life
03-27-2015, 02:25 AM
http://deadspin.com/the-worst-part-of-xaviers-loss-is-no-more-matt-stainbro-1693988020

markchal
03-27-2015, 02:54 AM
Xaviers led by our seniors, and we didn't have that consistently until the last few weeks...but when we had it, and they put the team on their shoulders, everything felt right again. The team found its way, the Xavier way, and those two seniors went down swinging and playing their best basketball.

I'm really gonna miss Stainbrook's game. Having a center who can score the way he does will be sorely missed next year. Really enjoyed watching him over the last few years.

DC Muskie
03-27-2015, 06:55 AM
Our seniors always seem to step up. Thanks Dee and Matt. Will miss you guys.

kyxu
03-27-2015, 07:09 AM
Our seniors always seem to step up. Thanks Dee and Matt. Will miss you guys.

That's one thing that makes Xavier so great -- whenever a season ends, you're more upset about saying goodbye to a group of dedicated seniors than you are that the season ended in disappointment.

At least that's how I feel. Not too down about the outcome last night, but down that we won't see Stains or Dee in a Xavier uniform ever again.

chico
03-27-2015, 09:14 AM
Matt and Dee really stepped it up and it was a lot of fun watching this team the last few weeks. There's something about watching our seniors develop and see them reach a level of play that those two reached.

To all the announcers who called Stainbrook's game "YMCA" - it will be a long time before he's playing in a Y league. Both he and Dee will be making a nice amount of money playing ball.

mistabeecee41
03-27-2015, 09:25 AM
a month ago i was going on a cyber rant, bitching about how our two seniors just weren't good enough to carry us on a run.

I apologize Mr. Davis & Mr. Stainbrook - you both played like warriors and carried us on this run.

Masterofreality
03-27-2015, 09:33 AM
Matt and Dee stepped up to high level leadership in the last month. They will leave with a legacy of excellence and showing the younger guys the way that things are done at Xavier.

Dee Davis is one of the toughest nuts I have ever seen in a Xavier uniform. I believe that he holds the school record for most black eyes. The fact that he could play 40 (and against Butler, more) minutes in back to back to back games is an incredible feat. Amazing that his four years is over already.

Matt Stainbrook has a special place in my heart, because A) He's a St. Eds kid, B) His brother played with my nephew, C) I've known the family for years D) He is the epitome of commitment to Xcellence. His performance in Press Conferences has enhanced the Xavier brand and his good nature with the press has aided our image. I will deeply miss him, but happy that through Tim, the Stainbrooks will still be a part of the Xavier family.

Dmartin
03-27-2015, 10:07 AM
I am a proud parent of a sophomore at Xavier. I am here on the West Coast, San Diego. In the past two years I have become a huge X fan and log in almost everyday to read what the real X fans (real meaning students or ex students) are saying. I am a WSU alum. That's in Washington State Univ. I grew up in the late 70's early 80's watching Pac 10 basketball when it was good, but it was never as good as what X has in the B.E. (my opinion)

I love this team! Coach and even like your fans and this board! You guys are great! Oh and what a ride, I got to where I couldn't watch an X game and would tape every game and then watch the ones that we won. Last night was no different but I couldn't resist checking on the score now and then and even though our offense fell a little flat I am going to watch it tonight and relish in our great defense and competitiveness.
We have a lot of basketball fans at work here in San Diego, and I even got them all to route for Xavier and realize what a great basketball tradition Xavier has! Xavier certainly has been flying under the radar here on the west coast but not any longer! Much like SDSU but with much better basketball history and tradition and with a much better team!

I am excited for next year and years to come! I love this team!

LadyMuskie
03-27-2015, 10:23 AM
To all the announcers who called Stainbrook's game "YMCA" - it will be a long time before he's playing in a Y league. Both he and Dee will be making a nice amount of money playing ball.

This is why we turn the sound down on the television and deal with the fact that we can't get Joe & Byron to sync up with the television. About 3 minutes into the Ole Miss game, we had enough and switched - never looking back. Plus, you can just tell from Joe's voice when its' going in and I can breathe a little easier.

X-man
03-27-2015, 10:32 AM
I think that Dee and Matt showed the rest of the team what it means to be a senior leader and step up to the plate when everything is on the line. While they will be remembered for willing this team to the brink of the Elite Eight, I suspect that their legacy will be to instill that toughness and determination needed to go further in the Dance in the future. Of course we have had other senior leaders provide the same example, but I would like to think that these two guys have finalized that lesson plan into our young and very talented team for next year (and beyond). Thank you guys for an interesting year, one with frustration at times but with a finish that Xavier fans can savor and be proud of for years to come. What a legacy!

bleedXblue
03-27-2015, 10:38 AM
Kudos to both! What a way to lead! Will miss both guys next year.

UCGRAD4X
03-27-2015, 10:49 AM
I am a proud parent of a sophomore at Xavier. I am here on the West Coast, San Diego. In the past two years I have become a huge X fan and log in almost everyday to read what the real X fans (real meaning students or ex students) are saying. I am a WSU alum. That's in Washington State Univ. I grew up in the late 70's early 80's watching Pac 10 basketball when it was good, but it was never as good as what X has in the B.E. (my opinion)

I love this team! Coach and even like your fans and this board! You guys are great! Oh and what a ride, I got to where I couldn't watch an X game and would tape every game and then watch the ones that we won. Last night was no different but I couldn't resist checking on the score now and then and even though our offense fell a little flat I am going to watch it tonight and relish in our great defense and competitiveness.
We have a lot of basketball fans at work here in San Diego, and I even got them all to route for Xavier and realize what a great basketball tradition Xavier has! Xavier certainly has been flying under the radar here on the west coast but not any longer! Much like SDSU but with much better basketball history and tradition and with a much better team!

I am excited for next year and years to come! I love this team!

Glad to have you join in the praise from the left coast.

As you can tell, I am not an X grad (although my dad is) - but remain a fan and come to this board because of players such as Matt and Dee. It is the Xavier Way that keeps marching forward - graduating student athletes (emphasis should be on graduating as well) that make our school and our community proud - not just in how they play (which is gutsy, mature and with great leadership) but in how they carry them selves on and off the court.

When you think of the taller and/or more athletic players (I hesitate to add - more talented) both of these two men have had to play against…. the effort and determination it must have taken for them to succeed at such a high level…

It certainly bodes well for their future and for the future of the program and the university.

murray87
03-27-2015, 10:49 AM
Thanks to Dee and big Matt, what a great way to finish your college careers. Be sure to visit the Cintas in future seasons!

Wheelhouse
03-27-2015, 10:56 AM
Absolutely hats off to Matt and Dee. They were both so damn good down the stretch and in the Tournament.

XU-PA
03-27-2015, 08:25 PM
let me throw it out, and maybe it's just because they both had such a wonderful run, Dee and Stain would certainly rank top 3 or 4 at their position in the history of Xavier

xu82
03-27-2015, 09:03 PM
let me throw it out, and maybe it's just because they both had such a wonderful run, Dee and Stain would certainly rank top 3 or 4 at their position in the history of Xavier

I'd need time to rank talent, but they are extremely high on the likeable list. That doesn't always go hand in hand with talent.

Masterofreality
03-27-2015, 09:04 PM
let me throw it out, and maybe it's just because they both had such a wonderful run, Dee and Stain would certainly rank top 3 or 4 at their position in the history of Xavier

Uh, I don't agree.

Centers- (in no particular order)- Bob Pelkington, Dave Piontek, Luther Rackley, Tyrone Hill, Brian a Grant, David West, Anthony Myles (arguably), Kenny Frease.
Point Guards- Jim Boothe (NIT Champion), Ralph Lee, Jumpin Jamal Walker, Stan Kimbrough, Michael Hawkins, Gary Lumpkin, Lionel Chalmers, Drew Lavender, Tu Holloway

Almost all those centers other than Anthony and Kenny played NBA ball. We know how good all those PG's are.

UCGRAD4X
03-27-2015, 09:10 PM
If we're going to rate talent with likability and toughness - I would have to include J. Love in the conversation with the bigs….and Andy Donnelly.

Masterofreality
03-27-2015, 09:18 PM
If we're going to rate talent with likability and toughness - I would have to include J. Love in the conversation with the bigs….and Andy Donnelly.

Great call. Got to include J Love, although Matt is much more skilled. Jason willed himself into a basketball career.

paulxu
03-27-2015, 09:24 PM
Luther!

(wonder where he went from the board.)

Masterofreality
03-27-2015, 09:26 PM
Luther!

(wonder where he went from the board.)

He's around. Been on live chat, and saw him in NY. Lived down the hall from me in Kuhlman.

Luther could play! Tells you how bad a coach George Krajack was. won 10 games with Bob Quick and Luther on the team- both future long term NBA guys.

SemajParlor
03-28-2015, 02:22 AM
let me throw it out, and maybe it's just because they both had such a wonderful run, Dee and Stain would certainly rank top 3 or 4 at their position in the history of Xavier

Yeah dont know about that

X-Fan
03-28-2015, 10:13 AM
This was the promo video MarchMadness ran for yesterdays games:


http://www.snappytv.com/tc/528246

Dee was FEELING IT! Love that this is one of my last memories of him at Xavier!

RealDeal
03-28-2015, 10:28 AM
Thank you seniors, you will be missed, and you went out kicking ass.

xuwin
03-28-2015, 10:53 AM
Uh, I don't agree.

Centers- (in no particular order)- Bob Pelkington, Dave Piontek, Luther Rackley, Tyrone Hill, Brian a Grant, David West, Anthony Myles (arguably), Kenny Frease.
Point Guards- Jim Boothe (NIT Champion), Ralph Lee, Jumpin Jamal Walker, Stan Kimbrough, Michael Hawkins, Gary Lumpkin, Lionel Chalmers, Drew Lavender, Tu Holloway

Almost all those centers other than Anthony and Kenny played NBA ball. We know how good all those PG's are.

Stainbrook as a senior would have abused Kenny Frease on both sides of the ball.

D-West & PO-Z
03-28-2015, 11:04 AM
Stainbrook as a senior would have abused Kenny Frease on both sides of the ball.

Yeah I'd take Stain over Frease every day of the week.

At least offensively.

X-Fan
03-28-2015, 11:13 AM
Stainbrook as a senior would have abused Kenny Frease on both sides of the ball.


Yeah I'd take Stain over Frease every day of the week.

At least offensively.
Co-Sign on this. Stain every day of the week, twice on Tuesday's, and three times on Saturdays. Was better in almost every measurable besides maybe being a "push" on athleticism: specifically Passing, BBall IQ, execution/finishing, & hedging. Hedging used to be an auto foul for Kenny. Just thinking about that gets me frustrated. </rant>

mohr5150
03-28-2015, 11:27 AM
I thought Matt Stainbrook did an amazing job of dedicating himself to the craft of basketball during his three years here. If you look at what he looked like when he arrived here and compare it to now, it is a minor miracle. His leadership on the court was outstanding throughout the two years here and provided numerous sparks that led us to many victories. I am so happy he decided to transfer to X.

Dee Davis has been, at times during his four years here, one of the most frustrating players I have had to experience while being a fan of X. But his final month on the team was one of the most ballsy performances I have ever seen on the court. I never once questioned his heart or desire, but he was able to add to that a level of talent that led us to wins I never dreamed possible with this team. It was great to see that he is going out playing his absolute best basketball. He has the heart of a lion, and I thank him for showing the rest of this team how effort can overcome many deficiencies.

To both our seniors, thank you so much for what you brought to this team. I wish nothing but the best for their futures, whether on or off the court. You both have represented Xavier University well.

smileyy
03-28-2015, 01:23 PM
Kenny Frease is a developmental lesson for Xavier bigs. He wasn't in shape to play enough to learn to play at the major-conference level for his first two seasons. His third season he was able to develop his offensive game, such that his fourth season he was the force we all hoped he would be. But that meant that he didn't start seeing doubleteams until his 4th year, and took until the end of his senior year to be able to effectively pass out of them.

I don't think Frease would ever have been the passer that Stainbrook was, but even a little bit of earlier development in passing out of doubleteams would have made him so much better.

Jalen will get his chance to learn that next year -- teams who guard him 1-1 in the post will quickly regret it...except for the part where they get to be on Sportscenter for getting dunked on.

GreatWhiteNorth
03-28-2015, 03:36 PM
Our seniors, Matt and Dee, represented our university very well. Thank you, thank you!

sirthought
03-28-2015, 03:48 PM
Kenny Frease is a frustrating memory. He just didn't seem to have his head in the game much of the time.

Stainbrook, even though he wasn't perfect, was a joy to watch play and see him leading his team and representing the school. Becoming a team captain after your transfer year says an awful lot about what coaches and teammates think about your personality.

Dee was a warrior from day 1. I admire his constant effort to run the team and help his teammates win.

Masterofreality
03-28-2015, 06:32 PM
Kenny Frease is a frustrating memory. He just didn't seem to have his head in the game...

Oh yes he did....In Nancy Gates forehead.

X-band '01
03-28-2015, 06:37 PM
Oh yes he did....In Nancy Gates's fist.

Fixed that for you MOR.

Masterofreality
03-28-2015, 06:42 PM
You forgot the famous head butt.


http://m.cantonrep.com/article/20090326/News/303269705

Wheelhouse
03-28-2015, 06:45 PM
Frease has absolutely no business on that list.

Wheelhouse
03-28-2015, 06:46 PM
And let me add that Stainbrook does belong on the list. Certainly not the top, but he's on the list. And I mentioned him in another thread, but I'd take Jason Love over Kenny Frease 7 days a week and twice on Sundays.

Masterofreality
03-28-2015, 06:54 PM
Frease has absolutely no business on that list.

Uh, comparable. And Kenny played well in his NCAA games.

Kenny Junior Year : 11.7 points, 7.1 rebounds. Senior year: 10.2 points, 6.1 rebounds- that after getting slugged by Gates.
Kenny also had 10 points vs Notre Dame, 25 points against Lehigh and 18 points against Baylor in his NCAA Senior year.
Matt Junior Year: 10.6 points, 7.4 rebounds, Senior Year: 12.3 points, 6.9 rebounds
Matt went for 20 points vs Ole Miss, 9 vs Ga State, and 17 vs Arizone in his NCAA Senior Year.

But believe what you want.

Wheelhouse
03-28-2015, 07:16 PM
Uh, comparable. And Kenny played well in his NCAA games.

Kenny Junior Year : 11.7 points, 7.1 rebounds. Senior year: 10.2 points, 6.1 rebounds- that after getting slugged by Gates.
Kenny also had 10 points vs Notre Dame, 25 points against Lehigh and 18 points against Baylor in his NCAA Senior year.
Matt Junior Year: 10.6 points, 7.4 rebounds, Senior Year: 12.3 points, 6.9 rebounds
Matt went for 20 points vs Ole Miss, 9 vs Ga State, and 17 vs Arizone in his NCAA Senior Year.

But believe what you want.

If you think Kenny Frease was a better basketball player for Xavier than Matt Stainbrook then we'll just have too agree to disagree. In my case, vehemently disagree.

X-Fan
03-28-2015, 07:24 PM
Uh, comparable. And Kenny played well in his NCAA games.

Kenny Junior Year : 11.7 points, 7.1 rebounds. Senior year: 10.2 points, 6.1 rebounds- that after getting slugged by Gates.
Kenny also had 10 points vs Notre Dame, 25 points against Lehigh and 18 points against Baylor in his NCAA Senior year.
Matt Junior Year: 10.6 points, 7.4 rebounds, Senior Year: 12.3 points, 6.9 rebounds
Matt went for 20 points vs Ole Miss, 9 vs Ga State, and 17 vs Arizone in his NCAA Senior Year.

But believe what you want.
There's one main difference though. Matt was the feature player and main offensive focus for his teams (esp Sr. year). Kenny was the 3rd or 4th option on offense. Baylor basically dared X to beat them by letting Kenny get whatever and shutting down Tu, Cheeks, and Dez. So, the numbers,while similar, do not illustrate the greater impact Matt had on his team.

Masterofreality
03-28-2015, 08:12 PM
If you think Kenny Frease was a better basketball player for Xavier than Matt Stainbrook then we'll just have too agree to disagree. In my case, vehemently disagree.

I didn't say that Brother, just that Matt and Kenny are comparable, and no matter what you think, THEY ARE....and NOT in the Top 2 or 3 in Xavier history of Centers.

Notice I had Kenny at the end of the list after (arguably) Anthony Myles.

Wheelhouse
03-28-2015, 08:23 PM
I didn't say that Brother, just that Matt and Kenny are comparable, and no matter what you think, THEY ARE....and NOT in the Top 2 or 3 in Xavier history of Centers.

I agree that neither is in the top 3 all-time. I just don't think Matt and Kenny are comparable. I think Matt was a significantly better basketball player than Kenny. As I said, we'll just agree to disagree. It's all good.

Caveat
03-28-2015, 11:49 PM
Uh, comparable. And Kenny played well in his NCAA games.

Kenny Junior Year : 11.7 points, 7.1 rebounds. Senior year: 10.2 points, 6.1 rebounds- that after getting slugged by Gates.
Kenny also had 10 points vs Notre Dame, 25 points against Lehigh and 18 points against Baylor in his NCAA Senior year.
Matt Junior Year: 10.6 points, 7.4 rebounds, Senior Year: 12.3 points, 6.9 rebounds
Matt went for 20 points vs Ole Miss, 9 vs Ga State, and 17 vs Arizone in his NCAA Senior Year.

But believe what you want.

Kenny: A10
Matt: Big East

Matt wins in a landslide, IMO.

sirthought
03-29-2015, 02:25 AM
After looking at basic comparable stats, Frease does stack up to Stainbrook fairly well, except Stainbrook was at times an assist leader like few centers ever are. I think he really passes far ahead of Frease based on the eye test.

Matt benefitted this season from having much better shooters and cutters around him, compared to last season, but his IQ to make things happen is really up there. (If Mack can get future centers to perform in a similar way, then I'd say he's found a key training system for college basketball. )

I wonder if we didn't have Tu and Lyons, would Frease have been utilized in a much different way?

In any case, Stainbrook seems to have really left the bar at a high level.

xuwin
03-29-2015, 09:55 AM
Uh, comparable. And Kenny played well in his NCAA games.

Kenny Junior Year : 11.7 points, 7.1 rebounds. Senior year: 10.2 points, 6.1 rebounds- that after getting slugged by Gates.
Kenny also had 10 points vs Notre Dame, 25 points against Lehigh and 18 points against Baylor in his NCAA Senior year.
Matt Junior Year: 10.6 points, 7.4 rebounds, Senior Year: 12.3 points, 6.9 rebounds
Matt went for 20 points vs Ole Miss, 9 vs Ga State, and 17 vs Arizone in his NCAA Senior Year.

But believe what you want.

Matts passing ability blows up the comparison.

Masterofreality
03-29-2015, 11:28 AM
Kenny: A10
Matt: Big East

Matt wins in a landslide, IMO.

Look at the NCAA games.

X-Fan
03-29-2015, 12:03 PM
Look at the NCAA games.

I did.


There's one main difference though. Matt was the feature player and main offensive focus for his teams (esp Sr. year). Kenny was the 3rd or 4th option on offense. Baylor basically dared X to beat them by letting Kenny get whatever and shutting down Tu, Cheeks, and Dez. So, the numbers,while similar, do not illustrate the greater impact Matt had on his team.

Masterofreality
03-29-2015, 01:19 PM
Some seem to want to demean Kenny Frease. I will not do so. Nor will I demean Matt Stainbrook. They were both centers on Sweet 16 teams and both valuable parts of those teams and played with distinction.

Neither, however, are in the Top 3 of all time Xavier centers.

smileyy
03-29-2015, 01:46 PM
Some of the dichotomy in perception comes from, I think, level of effort or perceived level of effort. They produced roughly (emphasis on roughly, as to not distract from this point) similar statistics and tournament success while at Xavier, but did so in different ways.

I think Kenny Frease underacheived and underutilized his physical skills at Xavier. If he had gotten in shape sooner and taken basketball more seriously (I take this from his comments after his first two years), he would have produced a lot more and led to perhaps even more tournament success. This (justifiably) leaves a bitter taste in people's mouths.

What we saw of Matt Stainbrook looks like he couldn't get anything more out of his physical skills. A lot of Xavier fans (myself included) like a guy who gets the most out of his talent (as long as his talent is Xavier-caliber). On the other hand, we got to skip two underacheiving seasons from Stainbrook (sound familiar?). What does a more motivated/in-shape Stainbrook for those two years add to his repertoire? Does he develop a 3-point shot, and become a pick-and-pop threat? Or is does he still peak out at the same (high) level he did this year?

There's two ways to look at a player, and both are valid in their own way: Absolute performance, and performance relative to potential. I think a lot of posters look more at the latter (it has an emotional appeal), and that's ok. The former is ok, too....though maybe feels colder? College basketball is a lot of emotion, after all.

sirthought
03-29-2015, 02:53 PM
Some of the dichotomy in perception comes from, I think, level of effort or perceived level of effort. They produced roughly (emphasis on roughly, as to not distract from this point) similar statistics and tournament success while at Xavier, but did so in different ways.

I think Kenny Frease underacheived and underutilized his physical skills at Xavier. If he had gotten in shape sooner and taken basketball more seriously (I take this from his comments after his first two years), he would have produced a lot more and led to perhaps even more tournament success. This (justifiably) leaves a bitter taste in people's mouths.

What we saw of Matt Stainbrook looks like he couldn't get anything more out of his physical skills. A lot of Xavier fans (myself included) like a guy who gets the most out of his talent (as long as his talent is Xavier-caliber). On the other hand, we got to skip two underacheiving seasons from Stainbrook (sound familiar?). What does a more motivated/in-shape Stainbrook for those two years add to his repertoire? Does he develop a 3-point shot, and become a pick-and-pop threat? Or is does he still peak out at the same (high) level he did this year?

There's two ways to look at a player, and both are valid in their own way: Absolute performance, and performance relative to potential. I think a lot of posters look more at the latter (it has an emotional appeal), and that's ok. The former is ok, too....though maybe feels colder? College basketball is a lot of emotion, after all.

Great post.

XUFan09
03-29-2015, 02:58 PM
I think they're comparable; it's not like we're trying to compare Derrick Brown to Jeff Robinson. Just when you compare them, Stainbrook comes out distinctly better. And I liked Frease as an upperclassman better than most, more often defending him against IMO unjust criticism than criticizing him myself.

GreatWhiteNorth
03-29-2015, 03:16 PM
K. Frease received a lot more criticism from fans than Matt. That is because his performance was inconsistent. For Matt, even when he was not brilliant, he usually did not look too bad. On paper, Kenny, being 7' and a 4 star recruit, should do better than Matt, but I would consider him underachieved.

WCWIII
03-30-2015, 09:11 AM
And a shout-out to senior Andre Mitchell as well. I love watching him interact with the starters during the intro's. I've only seen him exude positiveness on the bench while encouraging his teammates in an exceptional manner.

Masterofreality
03-30-2015, 10:57 AM
And a shout-out to senior Andre Mitchell as well. I love watching him interact with the starters during the intro's. I've only seen him exude positiveness on the bench while encouraging his teammates in an exceptional manner.

Agree. Andrew is Remy Abell's cousin and both from the 502. Andrew by all accounts, is a great kid and interacts well with all the students as well as being a positive guy in the locker room and bench. I'm sure with Remy's senior year coming up, Andrew will be around to spread more Positivity.

IM4X
03-31-2015, 01:16 PM
Matt and Dee stepped up to high level leadership in the last month. They will leave with a legacy of excellence and showing the younger guys the way that things are done at Xavier.

Dee Davis is one of the toughest nuts I have ever seen in a Xavier uniform. I believe that he holds the school record for most black eyes. The fact that he could play 40 (and against Butler, more) minutes in back to back to back games is an incredible feat. Amazing that his four years is over already.

Matt Stainbrook has a special place in my heart. He is the epitome of commitment to Xcellence. His performance in Press Conferences has enhanced the Xavier brand and his good nature with the press has aided our image. I will deeply miss him, but happy that through Tim, the Stainbrooks will still be a part of the Xavier family.

Well said.

Even being a few days removed from the last game, I'm still feeling so proud of our seniors. Dee and Stain were the hardest working two on the court and did indeed set a perfect example of what it means to give your best when it really counts. Two wonderful Xavier players and two great Xavier ambassadors.

If you are reading the thread- You've made Xavier Nation so proud-
Thanks for the memories.

And thanks to Andrew Mitchell for his hard work and dedication to help his X team become better.

Good luck to you all in the future.