2015 Transfers Thread

[bobbiemcgee]

and so it begins...........

@Epaschall4: I have been granted Permission to Contact, which means my recruitment is now open.

Eric Paschall ; Fordham's only decent player


Classic line from Fordham's board:

"Fordham basketball is an amateurish, clownish, third-rate program that plays in a dump and is run by idiots. What did you THINK was going to happen? "

[Juice]

Jeff Borzello ‏@jeffborzello 58s58 seconds ago
Syracuse transfer B.J. Johnson is headed to La Salle, source told ESPN.

[bleedXblue]

Would love to see a 5th year transfer PG come our way.

[xavierj]

Would love to see a 5th year transfer PG come our way.
Maybe but a big athletic wing might be what Mack wants. I really think he likes what he has with Austin and Sumner at the point, especially the matchup problems Sumner will create. Mack sees it in practice every day.

[LadyMuskie]

and so it begins...........

@Epaschall4: I have been granted Permission to Contact, which means my recruitment is now open.

Eric Paschall ; Fordham's only decent player


Classic line from Fordham's board:

"Fordham basketball is an amateurish, clownish, third-rate program that plays in a dump and is run by idiots. What did you THINK was going to happen? "

The first step is acknowledging the problem, or in Fordham's case, the many, many problems. The A10 would do itself a huge favor by replacing Fordham with just about anyone else.

[XUFan09]

Maybe but a big athletic wing might be what Mack wants. I really think he likes what he has with Austin and Sumner at the point, especially the matchup problems Sumner will create. Mack sees it in practice every day.
Yeah, I could see Mack prioritizing best available over a specific position.

[nuts4xu]

I found it odd that Brandon Randolph checked into the end of the game recently.

I didn't know he was even dressing with the team anymore. Reports make it sound like he is definitely transferring, but I guess nothing is final until it's final.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Maybe but a big athletic wing might be what Mack wants. I really think he likes what he has with Austin and Sumner at the point, especially the matchup problems Sumner will create. Mack sees it in practice every day.


Yeah, I could see Mack prioritizing best available over a specific position.

We have two spots if Randolph transfers right? Maybe we could get two transfers if two were interested.

[LA Muskie]

I found it odd that Brandon Randolph checked into the end of the game recently.

I didn't know he was even dressing with the team anymore. Reports make it sound like he is definitely transferring, but I guess nothing is final until it's final.

You're an eternal optimist. I love it. Never change.

But it's pretty darn final. Just no hard feelings -- at least on Mack's end. (Not inferring there are on Randolph's end either. Just have no insight into his mindset.)

[X-band '01]

The first step is acknowledging the problem, or in Fordham's case, the many, many problems. The A10 would do itself a huge favor by replacing Fordham with just about anyone else.

Fordham is also the only remaining program in the A-10 where football is valued over basketball. UMass does have football at the FBS level, but since they're not joining the MAC, they're going to have to go independent.

This is also a program that has never recovered from dropping and reinstating scholarships after it joined the Patriot League in the early 90s. Had they waited a decade, they would have been allowed to play in the Patriot League with scholarships and been much more competitive in the process. Now they're just living off of other programs' hard work in the A-10.

[smileyy]

I found it odd that Brandon Randolph checked into the end of the game recently.

I didn't know he was even dressing with the team anymore. Reports make it sound like he is definitely transferring, but I guess nothing is final until it's final.

You don't quit on the team; the team doesn't quit on you. Just because Xavier Basketball isn't is his future doesn't mean that Xavier Basketball isn't in his present, and vice-versa.

[bobbiemcgee]

Since he's going home to LA this week, he'll go off for 30 in front of the hometown fans.

[XUMIOH12]

Ron Patterson is a very likely possibility, as well as one other transfer

[waggy]

Ron Patterson is a very likely possibility, as well as one other transfer


Transferring into X, or just tranferring out of wherever he is now?

Where is he now?

[Masterofreality]

Ron Patterson is a very likely possibility, as well as one other transfer

We were right there on Patterson at the initial recruitment.

[XUFan09]

Since he's going home to LA this week, he'll go off for 30 in front of the hometown fans.
That would be magnificent.

[Masterofreality]

Transferring into X, or just tranferring out of wherever he is now?

Where is he now?

He went to Syracuse. We were in his last two schools.

[waggy]

He went to Syracuse. We were in his last two schools.

So we finished last.

[xavierj]

He went to Syracuse. We were in his last two schools.

I would guess that since he is pretty terrible and couldn't play in his two years at Syracuse, that Xavier will not be taking a look.

[bleedXblue]

I'm thinking pass. We have immediate needs at PG or a slasher SF. We could even use some more post help.

[GoMuskies]

I would guess that since he is pretty terrible and couldn't play in his two years at Syracuse, that Xavier will not be taking a look.

Are you telling me Syracuse's worst five players wouldn't win the Big East?

[RoseyMuskie]

I've seen the name posted elsewhere, but I'd love if Cleveland State's Trey Lewis transferred to X.

6'2'' PG that scored 24 against Louisville, 18 against Virginia, and 15 against VCU. Shot at least forty percent from three in each.

[ammtd34]

I'll pass on Ron Patterson.

[XUFan09]

I've seen the name posted elsewhere, but I'd love if Cleveland State's Trey Lewis transferred to X.

6'2'' PG that scored 24 against Louisville, 18 against Virginia, and 15 against VCU. Shot at least forty percent from three in each.
After hearing speculation about him, I watched some highlights and loved his game as a combo guard.

[XUMIOH12]

Transferring into X, or just tranferring out of wherever he is now?

Where is he now?

He committed to Indiana and they pushed him out, and he ended up at Syracuse, where it looks like he didn't get too much PT

[drudy23]

Since he's going home to LA this week, he'll go off for 30 in front of the hometown fans.

Seconds?

[Juice]

Ron Patterson is a very likely possibility, as well as one other transfer

No we're not.

[X-Fan]

Tyler Harris is going to graduate and leave Providence with one year of eligibility left. Will either transfer or play professionally. I would imagine he cannot transfer to another Big East school.

http://www.friars.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/032415aaa.html

[D-West & PO-Z]

Tyler Harris is going to graduate and leave Providence with one year of eligibility left. Will either transfer or play professionally. I would imagine he cannot transfer to another Big East school.

http://www.friars.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/032415aaa.html

Maybe join his NBA brothers entourage? Wouldnt be a bad gig!

[BandAid]

I haven't seen a ton of Friar games, but I kinda felt like Tyler Harris was the Jeff Robinson of Providence. He has boatloads of talent, but never seemed to put it together consistently.

[joe titan]

Herb Sendek out @ ASU; doubt if Archie would stand against Sean

[Chalmers0]

I'll pass on Ron Patterson.

He was absolutely horrific the few times I saw him get into a game for Cuse. I'd be shocked if he ended up somewhere higher than MAC/MVC level.

[smileyy]

I've seen the name posted elsewhere, but I'd love if Cleveland State's Trey Lewis transferred to X.

6'2'' PG that scored 24 against Louisville, 18 against Virginia, and 15 against VCU. Shot at least forty percent from three in each.

I guess that would finally complete the trade started with "Bombs Away" Joey Rey?

[Juice]

He was absolutely horrific the few times I saw him get into a game for Cuse. I'd be shocked if he ended up somewhere higher than MAC/MVC level.

He isn't coming to X

[Bearcat_Bounce]

Herb Sendek out @ ASU; doubt if Archie would stand against Sean

Apparently they want Pastner. God Bless them.

[casualfan]

Apparently they want Pastner. God Bless them.

Jeff Capel

[X-band '01]

Apparently they want Pastner. God Bless them.

Who wants Pastner - does Arizona want him to sabotage the ASU program?

[_LH]

Who wants Pastner - does Arizona want him to sabotage the ASU program?

Did Pastner saborage Memphis?

[LadyMuskie]

Did Pastner saborage Memphis?

I'll need to know what saborage means before I can answer this question.

[_LH]

I'll need to know what saborage means before I can answer this question.

I'm sure you can figure it out. Xband?

[Masterofreality]

Did Pastner saborage Memphis?


I'll need to know what saborage means before I can answer this question.

Oh, My Gawd.

Another Grammar/Spelling thread in 3.......2.........1..........

[LadyMuskie]

I'll need to know what saborage means before I can answer this question.


I'm sure you can figure it out. Xband?

I looked it up because you chose to be unhelpful. The art of saborage is the art of opening a champagne bottle, or so I thought. But the person who posted the video that popped up doesn't spell very well. Apparently, that's the art of sabrage - using a knife or sword to open a champagne bottle. See how important correct spelling is?

[Juice]

Jon Rothstein ‏@JonRothstein 10m10 minutes ago
Indiana's Stanford Robinson will transfer, sources told @CBSSports. Two years of eligibility remaining. Story coming. #iubb

[JTG]

Jon Rothstein ‏@JonRothstein 10m10 minutes ago
Indiana's Stanford Robinson will transfer, sources told @CBSSports. Two years of eligibility remaining. Story coming. #iubb

Translation: He has been Creaned

[OTRMUSKIE]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabrage

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Connor MacDougal is transferring out of ASU.

ASU also lost a couple of recruits. Markus Howard 2017 Guard being the only noteworthy one and he is a good one.

[sirthought]

I've done sabrage with a butter knife. Kind of freaky that it worked as well as it did.

All transfers should practice sabrage once they are of legal age.

[bobbiemcgee]

Archie out looking to recruit more thugs:

http://www.whio.com/news/news/crime-law/former-ud-basketball-players-charged-in-burglaries/nkdmJ/

[X-Fan]

@becb_sbn: St. Bonaventure transfer Jordan Gathers has committed to Butler according to @michaelpointer. Brief write up coming shortly.

[NY44]

Damion Lee from Drexel just said he's looking to transfer. Eligible immediately. 6-6 guard who averaged 21.4 ppg last season.

[bobbiemcgee]

http://cityofbasketballlove.com/2015/03/report-drexels-damion-lee-to-graduate-transfer/

[XUFan09]

http://cityofbasketballlove.com/2015/03/report-drexels-damion-lee-to-graduate-transfer/
That would be a great pickup.

[casualfan]

That would be a great pickup.

Can't imagine we'd get much traction with him. With all the wing players we have coming back (Bluiett, Macura, Remy, and even Myles) it would be tough to sell him on playing time and also keep everyone else happy.

That and there are 350 other fan bases thinking the same thing right now haha.

[XUFan09]

Can't imagine we'd get much traction with him. With all the wing players we have coming back (Bluiett, Macura, Remy, and even Myles) it would be tough to sell him on playing time and also keep everyone else happy.

That and there are 350 other fan bases thinking the same thing right now haha.
Lol yeah.

[Lloyd Braun]

Trey Lewis would be perfect IMO.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Trey Lewis would be perfect IMO.

Yeah was thinking same. Is he a PG though or SG?

[Lloyd Braun]

More of a scoring PG but was asked to take a scoring role. Can distribute. One year player.

[XUFan09]

More of a scoring PG but was asked to take a scoring role. Can distribute. One year player.
He played at the 2 this past season next to Charlie Lee, but that goes along with what you're saying. Fun highlight videos.

[Lloyd Braun]

@sonnyjohnson32: So many HIGH MAJOR schools calling me for TREY LEWIS right now he is killing FRANKIE HUGHES AND WILLIE JACKSON recruitment LOL#Garfieldbball


Louisville is considered high on him according to a few. Appears to be a few others according to Sonny.

[Juice]

Yeah was thinking same. Is he a PG though or SG?

Combo

[D-West & PO-Z]

Dude from scout tweeted a transfer XU would be highly involved in but it linked to the pay site and I couldnt see who he was talking about.

[Masterofreality]

I think he's talking about Trey Lewis.

@dcassilo: Former Garfield Heights standout Trey Lewis is transferring from Cleveland State. 5th year player who is immediately eligible.

And Xavier is involved.

[XUFan09]

Not surprising at all. A good fit in terms of location and need.

I like the pitch that Xavier can make: We have a talented team returning from a Sweet 16 run that could just use experience at the point guard position and some senior leadership.

[X-Fan]

@dcassilo: Former Garfield Heights standout Trey Lewis is transferring from Cleveland State. 5th year player who is immediately eligible.

And Xavier is involved.

Out of curiosity I checked his stats. He's had some big number games points wise. In fact, it seemed like the better the opponent, the better he performed.

Especially impressive was his 18 pts on 7-13 shooting (4-9 from 3) at Virginia last season. He only averaged 2.9 assists per game, but did have a number of games were he had 5-7 assists. Doesn't look like he draws too many fouls (only takes about 4 FT's per game), but his 75% from FT is good. Also, looks like he's about the same size as Myles.

Very intriguing to say the least.

[Xville]

Out of curiosity I checked his stats. He's had some big number games points wise. In fact, it seemed like the better the opponent, the better he performed.

Especially impressive was his 18 pts on 7-13 shooting (4-9 from 3) at Virginia last season. He only averaged 2.9 assists per game, but did have a number of games were he had 5-7 assists. Doesn't look like he draws too many fouls (only takes about 4 FT's per game), but his 75% from FT is good. Also, looks like he's about the same size as Myles.

Very intriguing to say the least.

Interesting....I guess the question is, can he play point guard better than what we currently have, and will he accept the role of pg or does he want to go somewhere where he can start at SG? If Louisville really is interested, my bet is he goes there...they have a huge void to fill with Rozier going pro...they have a freshman coming in and he could be a good one, but you never know with freshman.

[X-Fan]

Interesting....I guess the question is, can he play point guard better than what we currently have, and will he accept the role of pg or does he want to go somewhere where he can start at SG? If Louisville really is interested, my bet is he goes there...they have a huge void to fill with Rozier going pro...
I had the exact same thought. Also, if he comes, what is Myles role? Unless you shift Tre to the 4, and put in JP at the 3, what do you do with Myles and Remy?

PG: Larry, PG Transfer
SG: Myles, Remy, Edmond
SF: Tre, JP, London
PF: Jalen, Gates
C: Sean, Farr

What makes this even tougher is not knowing how X will use Edmond and London. I'm sure their versatility will be a plus though.

Remy is tough to put at SG for too long because of his inconsistency. I'd be all about him starting at SG if he would consistently put pressure on defenses and take it to the hole.

[casualfan]

I mentioned in another thread how tough it is to recruit 5th years transfers because everyone is on them. Right on cue...

Sonny Johnson @sonnyjohnson32
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School that have already contacted me about Trey Lewis -Purdue-Iowa State - Florida State-Dayton -Clemson-Illinois Louisville- so many more
3:42 PM - 30 Mar 2015 Garfield Heights, OH, United States

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Hits continue for Cleveland State basketball. Trey Lewis will transfer. Source says Louisville is most likely landing spot.
3:43 PM - 30 Mar 201

Would love to think we have a shot, but those are some heavy hitters and it typically isn't a good sign if your school isn't mentioned in that initial list.

[Xville]

I mentioned in another thread how tough it is to recruit 5th years transfers because everyone is on them. Right on cue...

Sonny Johnson @sonnyjohnson32
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School that have already contacted me about Trey Lewis -Purdue-Iowa State - Florida State-Dayton -Clemson-Illinois Louisville- so many more
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Hits continue for Cleveland State basketball. Trey Lewis will transfer. Source says Louisville is most likely landing spot.
3:43 PM - 30 Mar 201

Would love to think we have a shot, but those are some heavy hitters and it typically isn't a good sign if your school isn't mentioned in that initial list.

yeah..if louisville is truly interested and he is interested in starting at the position he wants to, he should go there. That team next year is going to be lucky to make the tournament though.

If he is interested in being a piece of the puzzle and handle point guard duties for a team that could make another run in March, he should come to xavier.

[X-Fan]

I mentioned in another thread how tough it is to recruit 5th years transfers because everyone is on them. Right on cue...

Sonny Johnson @sonnyjohnson32
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School that have already contacted me about Trey Lewis -Purdue-Iowa State - Florida State-Dayton -Clemson-Illinois Louisville- so many more
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Hits continue for Cleveland State basketball. Trey Lewis will transfer. Source says Louisville is most likely landing spot.
3:43 PM - 30 Mar 201

Would love to think we have a shot, but those are some heavy hitters and it typically isn't a good sign if your school isn't mentioned in that initial list.

Ya, that is quite a list. The more we talk about this, I have a feeling that Mack will hand the reigns to Larry. 1. I think Mack has confidence in Larry and sees him at the future PG. 2. What better way to bring along Larry and his backup than experience OTJ.

IMO, Myles and Sumner (if he's half as good as they say he is) can help out, and X can certainly modify the offense to more of a motion rather than a set play/feed the post. If fact I think motion makes a ton of sense X's personnel next year. Not that I have any idea what I'm talking about. lol

[GoMuskies]

yeah..if louisville is truly interested and he is interested in starting at the position he wants to, he should go there. That team next year is going to be lucky to make the tournament though.

If he is interested in being a piece of the puzzle and handle point guard duties for a team that could make another run in March, he should come to xavier.

You think Louisville is going to struggle to make the Tournament next year? That I doubt.

[casualfan]

You think Louisville is going to struggle to make the Tournament next year? That I doubt.

They'll be an interesting case next year, but ultimately i tend to agree with you.

They don't bring back a ton of production, but they do have a lot of talent on that roster.

They also have the #4 recruiting class and one of the top 3 or 4 coaches in college hoops.

If they can add another impact player to go with Snider and Mitchell they will be fine.

[Xville]

You think Louisville is going to struggle to make the Tournament next year? That I doubt.

No harrell, no rozier, no blackshear....their starters are gonna be q, mango, Jalen Johnson and who? Lots of question marks

[casualfan]

No harrell, no rozier, no blackshear....their starters are gonna be q, mango, Jalen Johnson and who? Lots of question marks

Trying to predict starting lineups this far out is useless, but they bring in two top 35 players on the perimeter (Mitchell and Adel) and add a top 25 post player (Spalding) to all the big bodies they already have (Mahmoud, Onuaku, Stockman, Johnson, Mathiang).

That's quite a bit of talent coming into that program even before you add a guy like Trey Lewis.

[Xville]

Trying to predict starting lineups this far out is useless, but they bring in two top 35 players on the perimeter (Mitchell and Adel) and add a top 25 post player (Spalding) to all the big bodies they already have (Mahmoud, Onuaku, Stockman, Johnson, Mathiang).

That's quite a bit of talent coming into that program even before you add a guy like Trey Lewis.

I've seen Spalding play several times in person, that kid wpnt see the floor next year. They have a lot of big bodies just none of them outside of Johnson is any good or at least up to this point. Shaquan Aaron was a top 30 recruit and barely saw the floor this year, Anton Gil was a top 50 recruit and again barely saw the floor this year or his entire career for a team that was incredibly offensively deficient and those two were supposed to be offensive studs when they came in. Oh and by the way gil, Aaron, Onuaku are all talking about transferring. As I said lots of question marks and relying on freshmen unless you are kentucky or duke who bring in top 10 players is not a good practice to have.

[Lloyd Braun]

Has anyone seen Anthony Collins play from USF? On paper seems like he would be a good pickup.

[casualfan]

Has anyone seen Anthony Collins play from USF? On paper seems like he would be a good pickup.

I've watched him a decent amount. He is very good with the ball in his hands, but that is about it.

That may seem odd to say about a PG because they have the ball in their hands so much, but with him it is really extreme.

He's a very good ball handler who can really get into the lane and find open teammates when he gets there.

That's about all you get though. He is not a shooter by any means. Last year he shot 28% from three on only 29 attempts. Those 29 attempts are the most he has ever taken in a season.

He's a solid player, but not one I would feel particularly comfortable promising 30 minutes a night to. That's kind of the thing with grad transfers though. They typically come in expecting to play 30+ mins per game and the ones who are good enough to do so on a tourney level team are recruited by everybody.

[_LH]

@dcassilo: Former Garfield Heights standout Trey Lewis is transferring from Cleveland State. 5th year player who is immediately eligible.

And Xavier is involved.

If Mack and XU want this kid then I hope they get him.

[Masterofreality]

Posted without comment:

"@CasualHoya: Hearing not so great things about D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera being back at Georgetown next season. Hopefully wrong."

[Juice]

Posted without comment:

"@CasualHoya: Hearing not so great things about D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera being back at Georgetown next season. Hopefully wrong."

Could he be turning pro and no transferring?

[XUFan09]

Posted without comment:

"@CasualHoya: Hearing not so great things about D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera being back at Georgetown next season. Hopefully wrong."
That would suck for the conference.

[casualfan]

Could he be turning pro and no transferring?

Wouldn't make a whole lot of sense for him to transfer unless he can somehow graduate from Georgetown.

He was a junior this past year so if he doesn't grauate and transfers he'd have to sit out a year to play just his senior season.

[casualfan]

That would suck for the conference.

Georgetown could be not that great next year.

They lose 4 of their top 7 rotation players to graduation (Smith, Trawick, Bowen, and Hopkins) and Smith-Rivera would make it 5 of 7.

They'll have LJ Peak, Paul White, and Isaac Copeland back presumably and they have some nice looking recruits signed (specifically Jessie Govan), but next year might be a bit of a transitional year for the Hoyas.

[casualfan]

Jody Demling ‏@jdemling 46s47 seconds ago
Cardinal Authority has confirmed former Cleveland State G Trey Lewis will visit Louisville. Other schools in the mix but U of L gets a visit

[XUFan09]

Georgetown could be not that great next year.

They lose 4 of their top 7 rotation players to graduation (Smith, Trawick, Bowen, and Hopkins) and Smith-Rivera would make it 5 of 7.

They'll have LJ Peak, Paul White, and Isaac Copeland back presumably and they have some nice looking recruits signed (specifically Jessie Govan), but next year might be a bit of a transitional year for the Hoyas.

I think they have enough young talent that just needs a strong, experienced centerpiece, which DSR provides. With DSR, I believe they are solidly a tournament team. Without him, I believe they're shooting for the NIT.

[waggy]

I never got the love for DSR. I'm glad he didn't choose X.

[Xville]

I think they have enough young talent that just needs a strong, experienced centerpiece, which DSR provides. With DSR, I believe they are solidly a tournament team. Without him, I believe they're shooting for the NIT.

what they need is a new coach...JT3 is a pretty mediocre coach from what I have seen. He hasn't even been to the second weekend since their Final Four run in 2007. I wouldn't think that that is acceptable at Gtown but maybe I am wrong, or maybe its acceptable because of who his father is.

[Masterofreality]

Jody Demling ‏@jdemling 46s47 seconds ago
Cardinal Authority has confirmed former Cleveland State G Trey Lewis will visit Louisville. Other schools in the mix but U of L gets a visit

Well, guess what. Louisville is at the end of Interstate 71. Cleveland is at the commencement of I-71. Know what is between the two cities on I-71? Cincinnati. And just off I-71 in Cincinnati is, errr, Xavier.

I believe there may well be a stop off- either on the way down, or on the way back.

How convenient.

[Xville]

Well, guess what. Louisville is at the end of Interstate 71. Cleveland is at the commencement of I-71. Know what is between the two cities on I-71? Cincinnati. And just off I-71 in Cincinnati is, errr, Xavier.

I believe there may well be a stop off- either on the way down, or on the way back.

How convenient.

If Louisville offers, I think its a done deal....there is a lot of playing time up for grabs there. and they could use some leadership....they will have 1 junior there next year...the rest are sophomores and freshmen.

[GoMuskies]

Well, guess what. Louisville is at the end of Interstate 71. Cleveland is at the commencement of I-71. Know what is between the two cities on I-71? Cincinnati. And just off I-71 in Cincinnati is, errr, Xavier.

I believe there may well be a stop off- either on the way down, or on the way back.

How convenient.

Could he parachute out of the plane on the way down, because I doubt he's driving 6 hours for an official visit at Louisville.

[Masterofreality]

Could he parachute out of the plane on the way down, because I doubt he's driving 6 hours for an official visit at Louisville.

Five hours and 15 minutes- or less if you break 75 mph. And if there are two places to see, and it's a two day trip anyway, why not?

[Masterofreality]

If Louisville offers, I think its a done deal....there is a lot of playing time up for grabs there. and they could use some leadership....they will have 1 junior there next year...the rest are sophomores and freshmen.

Not denying. Could be....or not.

[casualfan]

Well, guess what. Louisville is at the end of Interstate 71. Cleveland is at the commencement of I-71. Know what is between the two cities on I-71? Cincinnati. And just off I-71 in Cincinnati is, errr, Xavier.

I believe there may well be a stop off- either on the way down, or on the way back.

How convenient.

Cool. Keep us in the loop. I know from back during the Kipper Nichols recruitment you mentioned how tied into the Cleveland recruiting scene you are.

[Masterofreality]

Well, well, well...

"@dcassilo: Meanwhile, Xavier has one scholarship open. In the mix for both Trey Lewis and Kipper Nichols."

[D-West & PO-Z]

DSR to the NBA, not sure where to post that.

[BMoreX]

Wow DSR to the draft

[D-West & PO-Z]

DSR to the NBA, not sure where to post that.

Didnt see the previous discussion, my bad, but been confirmed he is going pro.

[Xville]

interesting to say the least....is his family having financial problems or is it academic? just seems weird considering he is at best a second rounder.

[Masterofreality]

DSR to the NBA, not sure where to post that.


Didnt see the previous discussion, my bad, but been confirmed he is going pro.

This is a worse decision than Vander Blue from Marquette a couple of years ago. Horrific.

[bleedXblue]

I'm actually ok with it. Is the kid really going to be any better next year if he stays? I think he's pretty much peaked.

Now, with a guy like Semaj, he could have significantly improved his status staying another year in college....IMHO

[casualfan]

I'm actually ok with it. Is the kid really going to be any better next year if he stays? I think he's pretty much peaked.

Now, with a guy like Semaj, he could have significantly improved his status staying another year in college....IMHO

Agreed. People are quick to point out when a guy like DSR leaves how dumb it is, but I couldn't disagree more. As you mentioned, where is his improvement going to come next year in college?

[Masterofreality]

Agreed. People are quick to point out when a guy like DSR leaves how dumb it is, but I couldn't disagree more. As you mentioned, where is his improvement going to come next year in college?

If you are not going to get drafted, then why leave? To play in places like Poland, Austria, Turkey, Germany, the Ukraine, Switzerland and, finally, Venezuela with guys like Sean Finn?

[casualfan]

If you are not going to get drafted, then why leave?

$

[waggy]

$

No classes.

No JT3.

No more Remy Abell.

[LA Muskie]

Unless you are going to the NBA there's little assurance of a long-term, sustainable professional basketball career. A Georgetown degree would have been a nice insurance policy. Hell you can't even coach basketball at most "career" levels without a college degree.

[Juice]

If you are not going to get drafted, then why leave? To play in places like Poland, Austria, Turkey, Germany, the Ukraine, Switzerland and, finally, Venezuela with guys like Sean Finn?

Because college will always be there, making tons of money playing basketball won't be.

[Masterofreality]

Because college will always be there, making tons of money playing basketball won't be.

"Tons of money"? Might want to check that.

[ammtd34]

"Tons of money"? Might want to check that.

I would say people like Sato and Doellman are making tons of money. I have no idea if DSR would make that, but there are tons of money to be made outside of the NBA.

[bleedXblue]

I'm pretty confident that DSR will land somewhere and make some pretty good dough for awhile. Europe? NBA? Who knows. If you can go and make a couple million bucks over a 5-7 year period that's a great start for a 21-22 year old kid.

[bleedXblue]

I would say people like Sato and Doellman are making tons of money. I have no idea if DSR would make that, but there are tons of money to be made outside of the NBA.

Sato has made "tons of money". His salary a few years back was close to 2MM a year.

[LA Muskie]

Sato has made "tons of money". His salary a few years back was close to 2MM a year.
Nothing like taking one outlier and assuming it's the norm. Sato is exceptional, as was his career.

[Masterofreality]

Nothing like taking one outlier and assuming it's the norm. Sato is exceptional, as was his career.

This.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Yeah the guys making that much in Europe are the same guys who have either been in the NBA and chose to make more by going overseas or could get a spot at the end of an NBA bench but would make less doing so and they are comfortable where they are.

[bleedXblue]

Nothing like taking one outlier and assuming it's the norm. Sato is exceptional, as was his career.

There are lots of guys making great money in Europe.

I would say Sato wasn't exceptional. "Exceptional" lands you in the NBA.

[casualfan]

This.

Didn't you do the exact same thing with your Morrison anecdote?

[LA Muskie]

There are lots of guys making great money in Europe.

I would say Sato wasn't exceptional. "Exceptional" lands you in the NBA.
"Exceptional" in this context meant outside the norm -- as in, very few players make the money Sato made playing in foreign leagues.

In any event, make no mistake about it: Sato definitely could have played in the NBA. But the NBA's salary cap makes for interesting business decisions for those looking to maximize income. The way most teams are constructed today he would have had to play at CBA minimum levels. Or he could make millions leading a team in Europe. He chose the latter.

[casualfan]

Here (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25130600/georgetown-guard-dvauntes-smith-rivera-declares-for-nba-draft) is an article from CBSSports. The writer sums up my thoughts pretty well in the following paragraphs:

But banking on the 2016 draft being weaker is something of a risk to take, and with Smith-Rivera healthy, willing and able to get paid to play hoops either in America or in Europe, I can't really say that I think this is a poor decision. There's not a ton he could have done next season to really improve his stock, and he'll assuredly get picked up to play in the Summer League. If he's good enough there, he'll get picked up for training camp and have a shot. If not, he's the kind of player that will have a strong market in Europe due to his shooting and shot-creation ability.

Regarding his NBA Draft stock, I'd be somewhat surprised if he was selected unless he shows himself to be a better athlete or distributor in combines and workouts than he seems to have been at Georgetown. But Smith-Rivera will assuredly be getting paid to play hoops somewhere next year, and to a 22-year-old that means an awful lot.

[XUFan09]

He probably wasn't going to improve his stock next year, so he might as well go for it.

Let's assume the NBA isn't even an option, though, since he only has an outside shot. I'm pretty confident that he can make six figures overseas. If he waits a year, he loses a year of opportunity cost at that salary.

[bleedXblue]

He probably wasn't going to improve his stock next year, so he might as well go for it.

Let's assume the NBA isn't even an option, though, since he only has an outside shot. I'm pretty confident that he can make six figures overseas. If he waits a year, he loses a year of opportunity cost at that salary.

yep, horrible decision....

[LA Muskie]

He probably wasn't going to improve his stock next year, so he might as well go for it.

Let's assume the NBA isn't even an option, though, since he only has an outside shot. I'm pretty confident that he can make six figures overseas. If he waits a year, he loses a year of opportunity cost at that salary.
I can't get all that worked up about it. But while I think leaving early for the NBA certainly can be a good business decision (especially if you are good enough to leave after a year or two), I'm not sure playing overseas overs very many kids enough money to warrant leaving 1 yr (or as little as 6 months) before earning their degree.

[XUFan09]

I can't get all that worked up about it. But while I think leaving early for the NBA certainly can be a good business decision (especially if you are good enough to leave after a year or two), I'm not sure playing overseas overs very many kids enough money to warrant leaving 1 yr (or as little as 6 months) before earning their degree.
Sorry, I'm working with the underlying premise that he can finish his degree piecemeal in the off-season while playing overseas and still come out ahead financially.

[xu82]

Sorry, I'm working with the underlying premise that he can finish his degree piecemeal in the off-season while playing overseas and still come out ahead financially.

I hope he has the sense to do this. There no sure thing in professional basketball. There also no sure thing in the real world, with or without a degree... but the degree helps. A lot. His ability to earn playing basketball has a limited time frame. Good luck. I'm sure he was sick of losing to X.

[XUMIOH12]

I thought this was the Transfers thread

[Juice]

"Tons of money"? Might want to check that.

Tons as in making six figures compared to whatever crap pay college graduates make at the beginning of their first job.

[bleedXblue]

Tons as in making six figures compared to whatever crap pay college graduates make at the beginning of their first job.

Exactly. If he can go out and make (on the low end for DSR) a million bucks over a 5-7 year period, he will be way ahead of the kid making 40K for his/her first job.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Tons as in making six figures compared to whatever crap pay college graduates make at the beginning of their first job.


Exactly. If he can go out and make (on the low end for DSR) a million bucks over a 5-7 year period, he will be way ahead of the kid making 40K for his/her first job.

I get what you are both saying and I dont think it is a bad decision and he should make some good money playing somewhere but at the same time if it is so important to start making that money right away why not have guys leave after their sophomore years? If in the first two years a guy hasnt shown he will be able to play in the NBA, especially a guy like DSR who is a good player but probably just too short to play, then why not leave after sophomore year and get another year under your belt of making money? Would it have been a better decision for him to leave last year?

Just trying to figure out at what point leaving makes sense and at what point it doesnt?

[casualfan]

I get what you are both saying and I dont think it is a bad decision and he should make some good money playing somewhere but at the same time if it is so important to start making that money right away why not have guys leave after their sophomore years? If in the first two years a guy hasnt shown he will be able to play in the NBA, especially a guy like DSR who is a good player but probably just too short to play, then why not leave after sophomore year and get another year under your belt of making money? Would it have been a better decision for him to leave last year?

Just trying to figure out at what point leaving makes sense and at what point it doesnt?

I tend to probably agree that he should have left after his sophomore year if he wasn't planning on staying all four for the college experience.

As to when should you leave I think it depends on a couple factors:

Do you enjoy college?
How badly do you/your family need the $?
Are you going to get any better continuing to play college ball?
How old are you?

and that is just a few of the many these kids need to ask themselves.

It's why i said in another thread that if I was Jalen I would seriously consider leaving right now.

He's getting to be pretty old for an NBA prospect, I don't see him being used in a way in college that will help him develop the skills he'll need as a pro, and having been in school for three years he is probably pretty close to a degree.

It's a case by vase basis deal and I don't think there is a right or wrong answer that you can blanket everyone with. I just take issue when people talk about how dumb of a decision it is for certain guys.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I tend to probably agree that he should have left after his sophomore year if he wasn't planning on staying all four for the college experience.

As to when should you leave I think it depends on a couple factors:

Do you enjoy college?
How badly do you/your family need the $?
Are you going to get any better continuing to play college ball?
How old are you?

and that is just a few of the many these kids need to ask themselves.

It's why i said in another thread that if I was Jalen I would seriously consider leaving right now.

He's getting to be pretty old for an NBA prospect, I don't see him being used in a way in college that will help him develop the skills he'll need as a pro, and having been in school for three years he is probably pretty close to a degree.

It's a case by vase basis deal and I don't think there is a right or wrong answer that you can blanket everyone with. I just take issue when people talk about how dumb of a decision it is for certain guys.

I dont know about Jalen. I get he is older and that hurts him but he showed a pretty decent jumper this year that he did not show last year. If he can improve that jumper, make it consistently, and continue his low post game and show his head has caught up to his abilities I think he could get drafted after next year. If he left right now no way he gets drafted. I think he can show improvements where he would need to.

[XUFan09]

I get what you are both saying and I dont think it is a bad decision and he should make some good money playing somewhere but at the same time if it is so important to start making that money right away why not have guys leave after their sophomore years? If in the first two years a guy hasnt shown he will be able to play in the NBA, especially a guy like DSR who is a good player but probably just too short to play, then why not leave after sophomore year and get another year under your belt of making money? Would it have been a better decision for him to leave last year?

Just trying to figure out at what point leaving makes sense and at what point it doesnt?
Last year, Markel Starks was the starting point guard and DSR played off the ball. This year, he got the reigns and got the chance to show point guard skills. He just didn't really show them.

[XUFan09]

I dont know about Jalen. I get he is older and that hurts him but he showed a pretty decent jumper this year that he did not show last year. If he can improve that jumper, make it consistently, and continue his low post game and show his head has caught up to his abilities I think he could get drafted after next year. If he left right now no way he gets drafted. I think he can show improvements where he would need to.
Yeah, Jalen has been wowing scouts with his abilities since he was a freshman, but the question always was when his head would catch up on a consistent basis. Also, as a big he has a little more leeway on age.

[casualfan]

Yeah, Jalen has been wowing scouts with his abilities since he was a freshman, but the question always was when his head would catch up on a consistent basis. Also, as a big he has a little more leeway on age.

It's still not much though.

If you look at last years draft for example there just aren't many guys taken who are over the age of 21.

In fact most of the bigs taken in last years draft are younger than Jalen is.

[XUFan09]

It's still not much though.

If you look at last years draft for example there just aren't many guys taken who are over the age of 21.

In fact most of the bigs taken in last years draft are younger than Jalen is.

I don't disagree with that, but every player works out a little differently. Since Good Jalen could easily mix it up with NBA guys, even as a freshman, the question with him specifically has always been consistency.

[Xville]

I'd be absolutely shocked if Reynolds stays more than one more year. A couple of reasons for this, 1.) I expect him to tear it up next year...everyone has seen his athleticism, his frame, and have seen flashes of greatness. Next year I think you are going to see that greatness on a consistent basis. 2.) there is no 2

[LA Muskie]

I'd be absolutely shocked if Reynolds stays more than one more year. A couple of reasons for this, 1.) I expect him to tear it up next year...everyone has seen his athleticism, his frame, and have seen flashes of greatness. Next year I think you are going to see that greatness on a consistent basis. 2.) there is no 2

I sure hope so. But I'm pretty sure most were saying 1 and 2 this time last year as well.

[casualfan]

I sure hope so. But I'm pretty sure most were saying 1 and 2 this time last year as well.

I'm curious to see how Jalen does next year without Matt and Dee.

I think he benefited greatly from playing with the both of them.

And that really goes for the rest of the team as well. They weren't the most talented guys on the roster this past year, but i think they were easily our two most important players.

[muskienick]

Jalen has to learn to play the game with his head screwed on straight. He led the world in various kinds of technical fouls and is otherwise somewhat of a fouling machine. You are only valuable to a team if you can stay on the floor when they need you. (Jalen led the team with 115 personal fouls while playing just over 20 minutes per game, 6th place in minutes per game on the team.)

[casualfan]

Jalen has to learn to play the game with his head screwed on straight. He led the world in various kinds of technical fouls and is otherwise somewhat of a fouling machine. You are only valuable to a team if you can stay on the floor when they need you. (Jalen led the team with 115 personal fouls while playing just over 20 minutes per game, 6th place in minutes per game on the team.)

He's going to be thrown in the fire in this regard next year.

There is a lot of youth and inexperience on that front line after he and Jimmy Farr

[smileyy]

DraftExpress puts Jalen as the 52nd ranked prospect in his eligibility class: http://www.draftexpress.com/rankings/NCAA-Sophomores/3/

[MADXSTER]

Jalen has to learn to play the game with his head screwed on straight. He led the world in various kinds of technical fouls and is otherwise somewhat of a fouling machine. You are only valuable to a team if you can stay on the floor when they need you. (Jalen led the team with 115 personal fouls while playing just over 20 minutes per game, 6th place in minutes per game on the team.)

Reminds me of

1701

[ammtd34]

Dylan Ennis is transferring from Villanova.

[Chalmers0]

Dylan Ennis is transferring from Villanova.

Pretty shocking on the surface but if he wants to play point guard he's not going to do it at Nova next year. Arch, Booth and Brunson probably all ahead of him. Nova still absolutely stocked at guard.

[ammtd34]

Pretty shocking on the surface but if he wants to play point guard he's not going to do it at Nova next year. Arch, Booth and Brunson probably all ahead of him. Nova still absolutely stocked at guard.

Yep.

[waggy]

Ennis was the guy the defense left open.

[casualfan]

Ennis was the guy the defense left open.

To the tune of ~10 points per game and 37% shooting from 3. Maybe that is why Nova dominated the regular season.

[Muskie]

Ennis was the guy the defense left open.

Are you saying Dylan Ennis couldn't win the A-10?

[XUFan09]

To the tune of ~10 points per game and 37% shooting from 3. Maybe that is why Nova dominated the regular season.

He was the sixth best three-point shooter on that team. That's just unfair.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Evan Daniels @EvanDaniels
Source told Scout that grad transfer Trey Lewis took a visit to Louisville. Xavier has done an in-home. Purdue in the mix too.

[casualfan]

Evan Daniels @EvanDaniels
Source told Scout that grad transfer Trey Lewis took a visit to Louisville. Xavier has done an in-home. Purdue in the mix too.

Wonder why he didn't end up stopping by on the way to or from Louisville.

[GoMuskies]

Wonder why he didn't end up stopping by on the way to or from Louisville.

Probably because he was in the air.

[muskiefan82]

Are you saying Dylan Ennis couldn't win the A-10?

Maybe not, but definitely the AAC

[D-West & PO-Z]

Wonder if we met with him before or after Louisville. Think it would be more promising if we met after, that he left Louisville and was still interested in hearing other offers.

[casualfan]

Probably because he was in the air.

I don't doubt that, but MOR had said he was planning on stopping by one the way up or down so I wonder what changed.

[casualfan]

Wonder if we met with him before or after Louisville. Think it would be more promising if we met after, that he left Louisville and was still interested in hearing other offers.

I do think it is a good sign he left Louisville without committing.

[GoMuskies]

I don't doubt that, but MOR had said he was planning on stopping by one the way up or down so I wonder what changed.

I think MOR's post was just wishful thinking and not any actual information on Lewis's plans.

[casualfan]

I think MOR's post was just wishful thinking and not any actual information on Lewis's plans.

Here is MOR's quote on the matter:


Well, guess what. Louisville is at the end of Interstate 71. Cleveland is at the commencement of I-71. Know what is between the two cities on I-71? Cincinnati. And just off I-71 in Cincinnati is, errr, Xavier.

I believe there may well be a stop off- either on the way down, or on the way back.

How convenient.

That sounds to me like someone who is trying to intimate they know something.

[GoMuskies]

I'll let MOR confirm, but that's not how I read MOR's post.

[THRILLHOUSE]

That sounds to me like someone who is trying to intimate they know something.

That sums up all of MOR's posts. I kid...I kid.

[THRILLHOUSE]

I'll let MOR confirm, but that's not how I read MOR's post.

and agreed. Think MOR was just saying that it would make sense for Trey to stop off at X either before or after the UofL visit since it would be on the way.

[Masterofreality]

I don't doubt that, but MOR had said he was planning on stopping by one the way up or down so I wonder what changed.


I think MOR's post was just wishful thinking and not any actual information on Lewis's plans.

Nope. Wishful thinking trying to put 1+1 and trying to equal 2. No "inside info" on this one.

I'll admit when I don't have legit data, but just believe me when I claim to know for sure. :biggrin:

[XUFan09]

Where would Lewis fit in at Louisville? Would he be sharing the point with Quin Synder or playing off the ball more? Hopefully, it's the latter, because then Xavier have an edge in terms of what they could offer him to counter Louisville being, well, Louisville. He's good, and just like any good player, I don't doubt that he has NBA aspirations that would necessitate time at the point guard position.

[casualfan]

Where would Lewis fit in at Louisville? Would he be sharing the point with Quin Synder or playing off the ball more? Hopefully, it's the latter, because then Xavier have an edge in terms of what they could offer him to counter Louisville being, well, Louisville. He's good, and just like any good player, I don't doubt that he has NBA aspirations that would necessitate time at the point guard position.

I think Louisville would put the ball in his hands for the majority of the time and let Snider spell him. Quin is pretty good, but he really struggles to shoot from the outside which is the biggest thing Ricky 2 pumps has talked about wanting to improve.

[Chalmers0]

Where would Lewis fit in at Louisville? Would he be sharing the point with Quin Synder or playing off the ball more? Hopefully, it's the latter, because then Xavier have an edge in terms of what they could offer him to counter Louisville being, well, Louisville. He's good, and just like any good player, I don't doubt that he has NBA aspirations that would necessitate time at the point guard position.

I think if he went to Louisville he would be the starting PG with Donovan Mitchell starting at the 2. Xavier is actually a deeper team going into next season than Louisville with significantly less question marks.

[Masterofreality]

Hmmmmm,

Just got off the phone with a "source". Very interesting on a positive note re one of our chief topics of discussion. Film at 11.

No BS.

[Xville]

I think if he went to Louisville he would be the starting PG with Donovan Mitchell starting at the 2. Xavier is actually a deeper team going into next season than Louisville with significantly less question marks.

Talk down here is that Trey would probably start at the 2 at least to begin the season if he ends up at Louisville. Mitchell may be too good to keep out of the lineup but you never know with freshmen especially when it comes to Pitino. Pitino will not play you if you can't figure out the defense, and for most freshmen its too much. Q would have sat the bench like he basically was all season had Chris Jones not gotten kicked out of school. I don't believe crap about freshmen until i see them actually play in a college game....you hear too much about how good a freshman is going to be and then they end up on the bench until they either figure it out or transfer.

[kyxu]

Hmmmmm,

Just got off the phone with a "source". Very interesting on a positive note re one of our chief topics of discussion. Film at 11.

No BS.

Kipper Nichols?

[Masterofreality]

Kipper Nichols?

Nope. He would not be a transfer. :smile:

[Xville]

Hopefully its Trey...he would help in a big way next year if he can play the point.

[kyxu]

Nope. He would not be a transfer. :smile:

He would transfer immediately to our hearts, where he would be eligible right away.

[Cheesehead]

would love some good news in the transfer dept

[bleedXblue]

Wouldn't it be great to have Sumner as a back PG/SG next year? He could get some really valuable minutes and learn the system to be ready for 2016-2017

[X Factor]

Wouldn't it be great to have Sumner as a back PG/SG next year? He could get some really valuable minutes and learn the system to be ready for 2016-2017

Sumner is going to have an impact on this team next year. Count on it.

[Boro Muskie]

I was waiting for someone else to say what I was thinking regarding Sumner. The albeit limited exposure we saw early in the year was very, very promising and to think he accomplished that with his medical issues is pretty remarkable. I personally think we are in fine to good hands with both Larry Austin Jr and Edmond Sumner manning the backcourt.

[bleedXblue]

I was waiting for someone else to say what I was thinking regarding Sumner. The albeit limited exposure we saw early in the year was very, very promising and to think he accomplished that with his medical issues is pretty remarkable. I personally think we are in fine to good hands with both Larry Austin Jr and Edmond Sumner manning the backcourt.

I don't understand how you have this perspective knowing Mack and staff are actively looking for a 5th year PG next year? Sumner is risky for health and inexperience issues. Austin is a long, long way away from being a solid PG option.

[Xville]

I'm not counting on Sumner for anything and neither should the coaches at this point. Does anyone even know if he is healthy right now? Also, even if he is, who knows if he can even be a point guard?

He may turn the world on fire next year...i hope that he does, but to count on him for anything at this point is a little foolish in my opinion.

[X-Fan]

I was waiting for someone else to say what I was thinking regarding Sumner. The albeit limited exposure we saw early in the year was very, very promising and to think he accomplished that with his medical issues is pretty remarkable. I personally think we are in fine to good hands with both Larry Austin Jr and Edmond Sumner manning the backcourt.


I don't understand how you have this perspective knowing Mack and staff are actively looking for a 5th year PG next year? Sumner is risky for health and inexperience issues. Austin is a long, long way away from being a solid PG option.

I look at it this way, getting an experienced PG who can run the offense, play solid D, and provide some scoring next year is a win-win for everyone. While a "baptism by fire" could potentially accelerate Larry & Edmonds growth, it could also ruin their confidence and limit their growth in that regard.

If X gets an experienced PG, he can take pressure off of those guys to "step up", but it doesn't mean they won't be hungry enough to "step up". Most have said that Edmond is a PG/SG, so this potentially allows coach to play him more at SG if that's what works best for the team.

Out of curiosity, I looked up some video of Trey.

These are highlights just from his Freshman year at Penn State.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts2A-ppKZls

Not going to lie, I was impressed. Especially since he was a Freshman in the video.

[kyxu]

I look at it this way, getting an experienced PG who can run the offense, play solid D, and provide some scoring next year is a win-win for everyone. While a "baptism by fire" could potentially accelerate Larry & Edmonds growth, it could also ruin their confidence and limit their growth in that regard.

If X gets an experienced PG, he can take pressure off of those guys to "step up", but it doesn't mean they won't be hungry enough to "step up". Most have said that Edmond is a PG/SG, so this potentially allows coach to play him more at SG if that's what works best for the team.

Out of curiosity, I looked up some video of Trey.

These are highlights just from his Freshman year at Penn State.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts2A-ppKZls

Not going to lie, I was impressed. Especially since he was a Freshman in the video.

Trey Lewis notwithstanding, Penn State was getting absolutely housed in each of those games in the highleet reel. God, Penn State is terrible at basketball.

[casualfan]

Was just told Ohio State and Georgetown are also in on Lewis along with us, Louisville, and Purdue.

[XUFan09]

Sophomore year highlights from Cleveland State.

https://youtu.be/1z5ipDktUUI

[bobbiemcgee]

Time to raid VCU's 4 star decommits?

[XUFan09]

Time to raid VCU's 4 star decommits?
Justin Tillman's final two were VCU and Xavier. It will be interesting to see what happens if he decides to transfer.

[bobbiemcgee]

X: Top Contender!

http://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/louisville/2015/04/02/transfer-target-trey-lewis-loved-louisville-visit/70852168

[xu82]

X: Top Contender!

http://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/louisville/2015/04/02/transfer-target-trey-lewis-loved-louisville-visit/70852168

I was more excited before reading it and realizing there are so many contenders, and the article is basically about how much he loved his Louisville trip. Fingers crossed that if they want him they get him. Experience at PG would seem to be a great help to next years team with all the unknowns.

[XUFan09]

I was more excited before reading it and realizing there are so many contenders, and the article is basically about how much he loved his Louisville trip. Fingers crossed that if they want him they get him. Experience at PG would seem to be a great help to next years team with all the unknowns.
The article made it sound like there are a number of underdogs with Xavier and Louisville being the favorites, which was my impression heading into this. Crossing my fingers, for sure.

[Masterofreality]

I was more excited before reading it and realizing there are so many contenders, and the article is basically about how much he loved his Louisville trip. Fingers crossed that if they want him they get him. Experience at PG would seem to be a great help to next years team with all the unknowns.

It's the U of L beat writer in the Courier Journal. What would you expect?

[xu82]

It's the U of L beat writer in the Courier Journal. What would you expect?

Well, that makes sense.

[spursy]

So we beat out Michigan state for Bluiett and could now beat out Louisville for lewis. All within a year. This program has come a long way! Love it.

[xu82]

So we beat out Michigan state for Bluiett and could now beat out Louisville for lewis. All within a year. This program has come a long way! Love it.

But why didn't we call time out with 3:00 left in the first half against.... oh, never mind.

[LA Muskie]

So we beat out Michigan state for Bluiett and could now beat out Louisville for lewis. All within a year. This program has come a long way! Love it.

That's true. And I don't want to diminish the strides we have made. But bear in mind that *sometimes* we "win" these battles because it's a choice of being THE MAN at Xavier vs being a role player at a place elsewhere.

[X-Fan]

There have been a number of transfers not mentioned, but this one seems interesting:

@BenKrimmel: #KethanSavage was #GWU's best player at getting to the rack past 2 seasons and he could jump out of the gymnasium. #Colonials will miss him

Lots of GW supporters bummed about losing him.

[spursy]

That's true. And I don't want to diminish the strides we have made. But bear in mind that *sometimes* we "win" these battles because it's a choice of being THE MAN at Xavier vs being a role player at a place elsewhere.
Well yeah, that's definitely a factor but given that these recruiting battles were won despite having some of our strongest recruiting classes ever it feels pretty good.

[Cheesehead]

Nothing wrong w/ being the BMOC. That is attractive to players.

[Masterofreality]

Wow. How his star has fallen.

"@EvanDaniels: Ron Patterson is headed to IUPUI, a source confirms. Transfer from Syracuse."

[XU3232]

Trey Lewis to Louisville. That sucks.

[XUFan09]

Trey Lewis to Louisville. That sucks.
Damn.

[XUFan09]

I feel like we just lost a close race here. Looks like the Austin/Sumner combo will run the offense next year.

[XU3232]

I feel like we just lost a close race here. Looks like the Austin/Sumner combo will run the offense next year.

I agree.. I hope Sumner is healthy and ready to go once the season starts.

[XUFan09]

I agree.. I hope Sumner is healthy and ready to go once the season starts.
Yeah, me too. Don't get me wrong, I think we could have a good team with them at the point, as I like what I've seen and heard. Lewis is just a special talent who also brings experience.

BTW apparently by some tweets, it's not final yet. Is it simply a case of it not being official because someone preempted his announcement? Or did someone hear the murmurings as he was wavering in one direction and jumped the gun when he wasn't sure? I don't know.

[XU3232]

Yeah, me too. Don't get me wrong, I think we could have a good team with them at the point, as I like what I've seen and heard. Lewis is just a special talent who also brings experience.

BTW apparently by some tweets, it's not final yet. Is it simply a case of it not being official because someone preempted his announcement? Or did someone hear the murmurings as he was wavering in one direction and jumped the gun when he wasn't sure? I don't know.

I just saw that as well. Not sure what is going on but someone definitely jumped the gun. I'd be shocked if he didn't go to Louisville at this point though.

[Masterofreality]

Sorry guys. Had a lot happening today.

Not official on Lewis yet. What I heard today is that it "appears he's leaning toward Louisville."

Not over yet, but much less positive than late last week.

[casualfan]

Dave Chudowsky @DaveChudowsky · 2h 2 hours ago
To make clear, Trey Lewis has made his decision but not officially made it public @wkyc @WKYCSports decision was down to Louisville and OSU
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[DC Muskie]

Best of luck to the kid.

[Masterofreality]

Dave Chudowsky @DaveChudowsky · 2h 2 hours ago
To make clear, Trey Lewis has made his decision but not officially made it public @wkyc @WKYCSports decision was down to Louisville and OSU


Lewis IS NOT going to Ohio State.

[Xville]

it definitely sounds like Lewis is going to Louisville. I figured that if Louisville offered, that's where he was going to end up....he is basically guaranteed a starting spot at whichever guard spot they put him at and he doesn't have much competition. It sounds like he is more of a scoring wing and that is what Louisville needs badly....we are a little crowded at the 2 spot.

[casualfan]

Lewis IS NOT going to Ohio State.

He's NOT coming here either which was the point of the tweet...

[casualfan]

From the horses mouth...

Trey Lewis ‏@Treylew3 2m2 minutes ago
It's official! Headed south to be an angry bird #CardNation stand up!

Anybody know if there are any other 5th year PG's we are targeting?

Here (http://www.verbalcommits.com/transfers/2015)is the list of available transfers FWIW. You can sort by position.

[ammtd34]

He's NOT coming here either which was the point of the tweet...

I'm pretty sure there wasn't even a visit with OSU.

[casualfan]

I'm pretty sure there wasn't even a visit with OSU.

OSU jumped in the mix right before the dead period started which is why Louisville wanted this done before the dead period was over.

It was very smart of Pitino to sneak him in for a visit before the dead period started.

[spursy]

Dartmouth guard alex mitola will graduate and transfer. Averaged over 12 ppg (in the ivy league...) and seems to be shorter than dee. Anyone know about this kid? Worth going after?

[D-West & PO-Z]

Dartmouth guard alex mitola will graduate and transfer. Averaged over 12 ppg (in the ivy league...) and seems to be shorter than dee. Anyone know about this kid? Worth going after?

Dont know anything about him but my opinion is it is worth going after any graduate transfer PG who can handle to ball and distribute even if they dont start. But if Mack thinks they can contribute and they want to come to XU even if they arent a stater then there is no downside. It would really suck if Sumner continues to have issues with his knee and we only have LA and Myles who can handle any PG duties.

[casualfan]

Dont know anything about him but my opinion is it is worth going after any graduate transfer PG who can handle to ball and distribute even if they dont start. But if Mack thinks they can contribute and they want to come to XU even if they arent a stater then there is no downside. It would really suck if Sumner continues to have issues with his knee and we only have LA and Myles who can handle any PG duties.

I'm skeptical of Myles ability to play the point.

I think he could do it in short spurts for spot duty, but I don't think he handles it well enough to play there against teams who would pressure the ball in the backcourt.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I'm skeptical of Myles ability to play the point.

I think he could do it in short spurts for spot duty, but I don't think he handles it well enough to play there against teams who would pressure the ball in the backcourt.

As am I. Which is why I would love a graduate transfer who is a PG, even if they arent starting material. Just another guy who has experience playing PG.

[casualfan]

As am I. Which is why I would love a graduate transfer who is a PG, even if they arent starting material. Just another guy who has experience playing PG.

Totally agreed.

I know people have high expectations for both Larry and Sumner, but one barely played this year and the other didn't play at all.

There's just a lot of unknown between the two of them and that is a scary proposition for a program that's been built on stellar guard play.

[Masterofreality]

We'll be fine.

[Milhouse]

I'm not too worried about it. I do think it'll be by committee more than anything. I think JP can help bring it up along w Remy.

Myles was 3rd in assists and had the 2nd highest assist to turnover ratio (Randolph was 1 to 0.5 in limited minutes). I think he'll do a good job taking care of the ball and he is the guy on our team you do NOT want to foul. He was top 20 nationally in free throw %. You better believe that'll go up next year. I think he ended with like 86% or something?

[xu82]

Didn't Louisville have another guy in as well? Who is he and what's he up to? I thought he was a PG and if he's good enough to be their fall back, maybe we need to take a look?

[D-West & PO-Z]

I'm not worried about the PG position in general as it stands today but more worried in a general sense at the depth. If Sumner continues to have issues medically (not saying he will but if) and then Larry is our only true PG, I would be worried if anyone else had to play significant time at PG for whatever reason.

[xu82]

I'm not worried about the PG position in general as it stands today but more worried in a general sense at the depth. If Sumner continues to have issues medically (not saying he will but if) and then Larry is our only true PG, I would be worried if anyone else had to play significant time at PG for whatever reason.

Depth and experience concern me. And is Sumner still growing? I like a tall PG, but at some point....?

[THRILLHOUSE]

Jon Rothstein ‏@JonRothstein 1m1 minute ago
Eligible immediately RT @todpalmer: Missouri’s Deuce Bello is expected to graduate and transfer for his final year.

[paulxu]

Is he a 6'3" guard?

[Xville]

Bello is terrible...mizzou won 9 games and bello barely ever saw the floor...

[Cheesehead]

Jon Rothstein ‏@JonRothstein 1m1 minute ago
Eligible immediately RT @todpalmer: Missouri’s Deuce Bello is expected to graduate and transfer for his final year.

Looked at his stats and they were not overly impressive past two seasons and he had some type of trouble at Baylor before he transferred to Mizzou. I am thinking pass

[GoMuskies]

He played for Mizzou last year. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess he's not very good.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Looked at his stats and they were not overly impressive past two seasons and he had some type of trouble at Baylor before he transferred to Mizzou. I am thinking pass

Was suspended for a little bit this past season as well for "academic issues". With all the issues he's had, I'm surprised he's on track to graduate.

(And note, I was not saying X should go for him when I posted Rothstein's tweet. Just passed it along since at one point he was a 4 star recruit. Quite a fall.)

[waggy]

If his name were Ace Bello, then you take him.

[Juice]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55srexDLoz0

He can dunk his ass off

[casualfan]

Jon Rothstein ✔ @JonRothstein
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South Florida transfer Anthony Collins has cut his list to Georgetown, Tennessee, and Baylor, source told @CBSSports. Immediately eligible.

I don't think we were ever involved, but it was a name thrown out as a potential PG fit.

[THRILLHOUSE]

@jeffborzello Memphis transfer Nick King tells ESPN he plans to visit Ole Miss and Arkansas. Interest from Xavier, Murray St, WKU, Florida, SLU, DePaul.

[casualfan]

@jeffborzello Memphis transfer Nick King tells ESPN he plans to visit Ole Miss and Arkansas. Interest from Xavier, Murray St, WKU, Florida, SLU, DePaul.

Please no. That guys sucks.

[smileyy]

Please no. That guys sucks.

It can be worth "interviewing" a guy, just to make sure that you don't want to hire him.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Please no. That guys sucks.

He was once a 4 star recruit, so could just be a bad fit with Pastner and Memphis. (note - I've never seen him play so just guessing there)

He's from the Memphis area though, so I'll predict he goes with Miss or Arkansas so he can stay relatively close to home.

[casualfan]

He was once a 4 star recruit, so could just be a bad fit with Pastner and Memphis. (note - I've never seen him play so just guessing there)

He's from the Memphis area though, so I'll predict he goes with Miss or Arkansas so he can stay relatively close to home.

He's a classic tweener. He isn't big enough to be a PF and he doesn't have the skills to be a SF.

He's probably more of a face up four skill wise, but he thinks he is a guard. Shot 25% from three last year. No thanks.

[XUFan09]

To his credit, he didn't attempt many threes either despite taking a high percentage of his team's shots when on the court. 24 attempts this year, made 33% of 15 attempts last year. That's easily less than an attempt per game.

He rebounds much better than any of our wings on both ends, actually doing really well on the glass.

His ankle injury may have affected him:

Freshman to sophomore year, "King's numbers improved...though his field-goal percentage plummeted from 52 percent to 40. He was hampered by an ankle injury that lingered, costing him four games and countless minutes of full health on the floor. King has never been a lock-down defender, and the weakened ankle didn't help his mobility on either end of the floor."

http://www.memphisflyer.com/TigerBlue/archives/2015/03/25/memphis-tigers-nick-king-to-transfer

It sounds like he did most of his scoring at the rim and in transition, though in Pastner's "system," I'm sure there was some AAU-style shot-jacking, especially with his high shot rate.

I'm skeptical, but he was a Parade All-American and the opinion of a lot of Memphis fans is that this is just another example of Pastner not being able to develop talent.

[GoMuskies]

I hope he goes to Murray State.

[Milhouse]

Please no. That guys sucks.

a LOT of people said that about Stainbrook.

I'm really glad the staff doesn't value the opinions on this board.

[XUFan09]

a LOT of people said that about Stainbrook.

I'm really glad the staff doesn't value the opinions on this board.
I am curious to see what he could do with a year of development under a competent coaching staff.

[xsteve1]

Washington PG Nigel Williams-Goss transferring. Would love to see X get involved but it's probably doubtful. Early interest from UNLV and Arkansas.

[waggy]

Washington PG Nigel Williams-Goss transferring. Would love to see X get involved but it's probably doubtful. Early interest from UNLV and Arkansas.

If he wants to stay west and be with a top program his options are kinda limited. I'm guessing the PAC12 has a 2 year sit rule for in-conference xfers?

[muskienick]

If he wants to stay west and be with a top program his options are kinda limited. I'm guessing the PAC12 has a 2 year sit rule for in-conference xfers?

Actually, Waggy, the PAC 10 rule is this:
If a player transfers from one PAC 10 school to another, the following circumstances kick in:
1) He must sit out for a year before competing for his new school;
2) That sit-out year counts against his eligibility;
3) He must pay his own way during the sit-out year.

One can only imagine that those restrictions would almost totally eliminate any such transfers within the PAC 10!

Here's where I found that information: http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/wash/genrel/auto_pdf/4-4-Transfer-Rules-06.pdf

[muskiefan82]

Actually, Waggy, the PAC 10 rule is this:
If a player transfers from one PAC 10 school to another, the following circumstances kick in:
1) He must sit out for a year before competing for his new school;
2) That sit-out year counts against his eligibility;
3) He must pay his own way during the sit-out year.

One can only imagine that those restrictions would almost totally eliminate any such transfers within the PAC 10!

Here's where I found that information: http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/wash/genrel/auto_pdf/4-4-Transfer-Rules-06.pdf

I hope there is a waiver for someone who had a true hardship. That's rough.

[Juice]

Brian Snow ‏@BSnowScout 10m10 minutes ago
Per his AAU coach Mike Allie, VCU freshman forward Justin Tillman has asked for his release. Tillman was a four-star recruit

[XUFan09]

Brian Snow ‏@BSnowScout 10m10 minutes ago
Per his AAU coach Mike Allie, VCU freshman forward Justin Tillman has asked for his release. Tillman was a four-star recruit
That could be huge. It came down to VCU and Xavier the first time. I don't know how transfer recruiting works. Could they contact him now? Because Richmond is only a little over an hour away from Hampton, where Mack is now.

[MADXSTER]

They have to wait for his actual release from the school before contacting him. But he could contact Xavier if he desired.

[smileyy]

Actually, Waggy, the PAC 10 rule is this:
If a player transfers from one PAC 10 school to another, the following circumstances kick in:
1) He must sit out for a year before competing for his new school;
2) That sit-out year counts against his eligibility;
3) He must pay his own way during the sit-out year.

One can only imagine that those restrictions would almost totally eliminate any such transfers within the PAC 10!

Here's where I found that information: http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/wash/genrel/auto_pdf/4-4-Transfer-Rules-06.pdf

What a bunch of horse*($#. *($# the NCAA, the conferences, and their athlete exploitation.

[THRILLHOUSE]

A couple of local transfers - Deshaun Morman is leaving UC and Tayler Persons is leaving NKU. Morman probably not a big loss for UC, but Persons is a huge loss for NKU. Was A-Sun Freshman of the Year and 2nd Team all conference.

[sirthought]

Morman was supposed to be a big time defender. They had hyped his man to man skills at the beginning of the season. I think he had some maturity issues, said the wrong thing to Coach Davis and got permanently benched.

[Masterofreality]

Not really transfers, but guys back on the market.

Welcome back to irrelevancy VCU...and your new coach is from Chattanooga. Anyone who was pimping VCU, a novelty act, to join the Big East should be embarrassed. #HavocIsDead

"@jeffborzello: All three members of VCU's 2015 recruiting class have received their release from the school, as well as freshman Justin Tillman."

[Bearcat_Bounce]

Morman was supposed to be a big time defender. They had hyped his man to man skills at the beginning of the season. I think he had some maturity issues, said the wrong thing to Coach Davis and got permanently benched.

Potential to be an elite perimeter defender man to man but had no clue how to play defense in a team concept.

[XUPhilly04]

If VCU doesn't turn it around like it has before, the A-10 may be a 2 bids or less league come March for a long time.

[muskienick]

Not really transfers, but guys back on the market.

Welcome back to irrelevancy VCU...and your new coach is from Chattanooga. Anyone who was pimping VCU, a novelty act, to join the Big East should be embarrassed. #HavocIsDead

"@jeffborzello: All three members of VCU's 2015 recruiting class have received their release from the school, as well as freshman Justin Tillman."

That's quite an assumption, MOR! The guy's had the job for about a week and you've already destined it to doom.

[XUPhilly04]

That's quite an assumption, MOR! The guy's had the job for about a week and you've already destined it to doom.

We lost our recruits when Miller left, and thankfully missed out on J.D. Wetherspoon. After riding the bench at OSU, where did he transfer to, a MAC school?

[X-Fan]

We lost our recruits when Miller left, and thankfully missed out on J.D. Wetherspoon. After riding the bench at OSU, where did he transfer to, a MAC school?
Ya, he went to my Alma Mater Toledo. JD has elite athleticism, but his lack of shooting really limits him. If he were bigger, he'd be an NBA Forward.