Coaching Carousel 2015

[GoMuskies]

If there's any reason to be optimistic in Wichita about WSU's ability to at least be competitive with the "big boys" when it comes to paying their head coach, it might be summed up by this picture. This is a picture of Lynn Marshall near the end of the KU win. At the top of this picture is a balding guy in a green (?) shirt pumping his fist in excitement about the win. That guy is Chase Koch, one of two children of one of the richest men in the world (who is almost 80 years old). It's good to have the right fans.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-AQFIZ4qa9NU/VQ-4U44z3XI/AAAAAAAAHB0/qgdPSJX7tbk/s1600/032215wsuku_jg03.jpg

[X-band '01]

Whoever is wearing the pink tie has to be mesmerized by the front boobs.

[xudash]

I wholeheartedly agree with the last statement, to the Raccoon's credit.

And, Cal was a negotiating ploy. CMack "was not close" to taking the job, but he used it as leverage as he should have. Who knows what would have happened if X did nothing to bump the salary, but saying he was one foot on a plane to Berkeley is flat wrong.

Thank you. I can't believe some of the stuff that gets posted here.

Also, for those of you who are in the camp of "well, if he leaves, we'll just reload." That's true. And it's more true than ever given our resume and our move to the Big East. But allow me to bring up the CONTINUITY word again. It is better than it is worse when you already have a solid coach in the saddle.

Few is having a helluva time getting Gonzaga to break through in the Tournament, but the program he's maintained/built upon is hard to argue. All the recruiting contacts, the perceived stability and desirability of the job, etc. play into this consideration.

Last but not least, does anyone around here still believe Chris is not a good coach? In what was still a transitional year with a certain amount of youth gaining playing time, he got his two seniors to crank it up after a stupid home loss to Creighton and made it to the S16.

Frankly - and again - I want him to stay and I believe he'll be on Victory Parkway for a while.

[STL_XUfan]

Ford sucks, but that's a lot of money. Does T. Boone bother with basketball?

T. Boone Pickens just tweeted his support for Ford. So we know 2 things now: 1. Travis Ford ain't going anywhere 2. Twitter is officially dead

[paulxu]

Either way, assuming Chris is already at 7-digits or nearing that with X,

Dash, if Chris Mack is not making north of $1 million/year, something is terribly wrong with the Xavier University basketball program.

[GoMuskies]

I see Mack at $860,807.

That's a USA Today number that may well be vey out of date.

[xudash]

Dash, if Chris Mack is not making north of $1 million/year, something is terribly wrong with the Xavier University basketball program.

Agree.

[xudash]

I see Mack at $860,807.

That's a USA Today number that may well be vey out of date.

Total comp or base?

[GoMuskies]

It's listed as total comp, but USA Today says Mack is not getting anything besides base pay. This is also the same number as last year.

In other words, I think it's safe to say the # is not accurate.

[xavierj]

It's listed as total comp, but USA Today says Mack is not getting anything besides base pay. This is also the same number as last year.

In other words, I think it's safe to say the # is not accurate.

Xavier paid chris $1.1 million in 2012 unless they lied on their tax return.

[xu82]

Whoever is wearing the pink tie has to be mesmerized by the front boobs.

Where else would you put them? Regardless, I think he may be a mannequin... not sure, but it's definitely a possibility.

[Masterofreality]

I see Mack at $860,807.

That's a USA Today number that may well be vey out of date.

Verrrrrrrrrrrrry out of date. Yes our coach is well, well north of $1.0 million/year.

There is also a substantial bonus on NCAA participation and performance.

[X-man]

Verrrrrrrrrrrrry out of date. Yes our coach is well, well north of $1.0 million/year.

There is also a substantial bonus on NCAA participation and performance.

That statement was true 3 years ago according to Xavier's 990 IRS filing. Well higher now I would suspect.

[Masterofreality]

That statement was true 3 years ago according to Xavier's 990 IRS filing. Well higher now I would suspect.

That was correct 3 years ago. Big change last summer.

[THRILLHOUSE]

We haven't had enough Flight Aware links in this thread.

So here is a flight from Wichita to Austin this morning - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/LAK331

[GoMuskies]

We haven't had enough Flight Aware links in this thread.

So here is a flight from Wichita to Austin this morning - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/LAK331

Now THAT's interesting. Makes so much more sense than Alabama.

[xubrew]

Some people just go to one place, screw up EVERYTHING, and then somehow manage to just keep falling up instead of down. I don't get it!!

Alabama is interested in Paul Hewitt!!??

PAUL HEWITT!!!!! What the.....?????

[THRILLHOUSE]

Some people just go to one place, screw up EVERYTHING, and then somehow manage to just keep falling up instead of down. I don't get it!!

Alabama is interested in Paul Hewitt!!??

PAUL HEWITT!!!!! What the.....?????

Haven't seen this anywhere. April Fools?

[Juice]

Some people just go to one place, screw up EVERYTHING, and then somehow manage to just keep falling up instead of down. I don't get it!!

Alabama is interested in Paul Hewitt!!??

PAUL HEWITT!!!!! What the.....?????

Nooooooooooo.

[Masterofreality]

This is funny:

"@Chris_Spatola: Search firms really earned their fee on the DePaul and Liberty hirings. Outside the box thinking there."

[Masterofreality]

We haven't had enough Flight Aware links in this thread.

So here is a flight from Wichita to Austin this morning - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/LAK331

Wow! Now THAT is some heavy detective work Thrill!!! Props and reps!

[THRILLHOUSE]

Flight today from Cincinnati (Lunken) to Austin - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/LAK380/history/20150401/1700Z/KLUK/KAUS

MACK TO TEXAS! IT'S HAPPENING! (oh how I've missed these Flight Aware threads...)

[Masterofreality]

Are there any flight trackers from Lunken to Cincinnati Northern Kentucky Airport?

That would verify that Travis "Steal" is on NKU's radar. :biggrin:

[THRILLHOUSE]

Are there any flight trackers from Lunken to Cincinnati Northern Kentucky Airport?

That would verify that Travis "Steal" is on NKU's radar. :biggrin:

He probably just had Matt uber him over to Highland Heights. Not sure if you heard, but Stain drives for Uber!!!

[D-West & PO-Z]

He probably just had Matt uber him over to Highland Heights. Not sure if you heard, but Stain drives for Uber!!!

Speaking of Uber (and not to hijack the thread but) did you guys see that crazy NYC police officer go nuts and berate that Uber driver. Just ridiculous. Would be surprised if the guy doesnt end up suspended.

[outsideobserver11]

If there's any reason to be optimistic in Wichita about WSU's ability to at least be competitive with the "big boys" when it comes to paying their head coach, it might be summed up by this picture. This is a picture of Lynn Marshall near the end of the KU win. At the top of this picture is a balding guy in a green (?) shirt pumping his fist in excitement about the win. That guy is Chase Koch, one of two children of one of the richest men in the world (who is almost 80 years old). It's good to have the right fans.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-AQFIZ4qa9NU/VQ-4U44z3XI/AAAAAAAAHB0/qgdPSJX7tbk/s1600/032215wsuku_jg03.jpg

And the blonde in the front? who is she? (asking for a friend, of course)

[THRILLHOUSE]

Just posted this to the main board, but relevant here as well:

Rick Broering ‏@musketeerreport 41s42 seconds ago
Xavier has extended Chris Mack's contract through the 2020-21 season.

[GoMuskies]

And the blonde in the front? who is she? (asking for a friend, of course)

Not certain, but I think it is Danilynn Welniak.

http://www.catchitkansas.com/image/view/-/20887972/highRes/1/-/maxw/480/-/139ja0d/-/Photo---Welniak--Danilynn.jpg

[xubrew]

Haven't seen this anywhere. April Fools?

Well, you gotta admit it was SLIGHTLY more believable than just starting a new thread and declaring that Mick Cronin was leaving.

Had Missouri been open, people would have believed it, because they keep hiring man coaches.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Speaking of Uber (and not to hijack the thread but) did you guys see that crazy NYC police officer go nuts and berate that Uber driver. Just ridiculous. Would be surprised if the guy doesnt end up suspended.
http://youtu.be/SL8oCWjTzoI

[THRILLHOUSE]

Chip Brown ‏@ChipBrownHD 1m1 minute ago
Sources: #Texas hoping to finalize terms with #VCU's Shaka Smart as the #Longhorns' next basketball coach

[XU 87]

Flight today from Cincinnati (Lunken) to Austin - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/LAK380/history/20150401/1700Z/KLUK/KAUS

MACK TO TEXAS! IT'S HAPPENING! (oh how I've missed these Flight Aware threads...)

Did Mack give his press conference announcing his extension on the plane to Austin? How rude.

[ammtd34]

I'm not doubting the identity of anyone in that picture, but I don't see anyone in green.

[XUglow]

I'm not doubting the identity of anyone in that picture, but I don't see anyone in green.

Are they talking about the guy with the toothy grin next to the bald guy?

[GoMuskies]

Are they talking about the guy with the toothy grin next to the bald guy?

Yes. I included the question mark because I was not really sure what color to call that shirt. It's this guy.

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTJoSSinZP258EvF0Pjm6ujgK-UkyCv63vyrVn87Kh3_qu0suyW

[Masterofreality]

Did Mack give his press conference announcing his extension on the plane to Austin? How rude.

Yeah, those planes today have amazing technology!

[ammtd34]

Yes. I included the question mark because I was not really sure what color to call that shirt. It's this guy.

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTJoSSinZP258EvF0Pjm6ujgK-UkyCv63vyrVn87Kh3_qu0suyW

Thanks.

[THRILLHOUSE]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25132007/texas-optimistic-shaka-smart-will-accept-offer-to-coach-longhorns

[GoMuskies]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25132007/texas-optimistic-shaka-smart-will-accept-offer-to-coach-longhorns

I find the fact that Texas apparently didn't even consider Gregg Marshall stunning. And stupid.

[THRILLHOUSE]

I find the fact that Texas apparently didn't even consider Gregg Marshall stunning. And stupid.

A lot of Patterson's moves can be described as "stunning and stupid".

http://d3f5994kvuwcz1.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/diamonds.jpg

[Masterofreality]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25132007/texas-optimistic-shaka-smart-will-accept-offer-to-coach-longhorns

If Shaka doesn't take this one, his window will be closing...and it won't get any better. His star was the brightest two years ago, and it is starting to fade. The "Havoc" fad is over, and other coaches have figured it out. Nice little wrinkle while it lasted. I've never been a fan of "carnival basketball" which is all Havoc is.

Shaka should take this, get paid and then hope his little brand of wild, maniacal basketball can get him high enough finishes in the Big 12 to ward off the grim reaper. I give him 5 years tops, unless he changes his style. It's almost like dump and chase hockey, recruit athletes to run all over the floor, foul the opposition incessantly, then throw crap at the rim hoping for their rebounders to score off misses, then rinse and repeat. Aaaaaaaaaaaargh!

Get ready for a return to mediocrity A10 where the best you can hope for is one really good year every four or five, and goodbye VCU as a national player....and good riddance. Their delusional fans on Twitter are hilarious, mocking and criticizing all the national pundits for suggesting that Smart is leaving, as if their downtown Richmond school is some sort of Paradise.

No more talk of VCU being invited to the Big East....please.

[waggy]

MOR your star burned out.. Well no knows really. At least no one alive.

Give it a rest. I have no manlove for Shaka, but he can coach. Pretty sure he even has a win at Cintas.

[Masterofreality]

MOR your star burned out.. Well no knows really. At least no one alive.

Give it a rest. I have no manlove for Shaka, but he can coach. Pretty sure he even has a win at Cintas.

After their thugs gave Dee Davis a concussion when our undermanned team was beating their sorry asses.

Sorry, no props for that exhibition. He'll be exposed in the Big 12. G'bye.

[xudash]

After their thugs gave Dee Davis a concussion when our undermanned team was beating their sorry asses.

Sorry, no props for that exhibition. He'll be exposed in the Big 12. G'bye.

Yes. If we're going to bring up their game at the Cintas Center, that can't be discussed without the fact that Dee Davis literally got knocked out of the game by their over zealous defense. If I recall correctly, a foul wasn't called and that sequence led to what became a freakin turnover for Xavier.

I like Shaka personally. I am suspect of that style of play working well at a high level and effectively through an NCAA Tournament.

I also believe there is a certain truth to being well positioned through a certain time period, and that repeatedly saying "No" to new offers begins to whittle away at consideration directed his way.

I mean, Texas is Texas; it doesn't get much more flagship than that. And Austin is a damn nice place to camp out. So he goes there and recruits a little differently, because he'll have the luxury of doing so with "Longhorns" written all over his designer warm-ups. Maybe he finds a way to modify HAVOC so that it works at that level.

VCU has treated him well and he's treated them well. They're apparently opening a new practice facility there. But, come on; it's the A10 at a now watered down state, and notwithstanding their freak year last year. It's time to move on.

[GoMuskies]

His star was the brightest two years ago, and it is starting to fade.

His star has faded so badly that he's being hired by Texas. Tough break Shaka.

[D-West & PO-Z]

The VCU board is convinced he is staying. Most of them dont seem nervous at all. Weird.

On another note if anyone wants to try and beat Shaka out for the job you can apply here:

https://utdirect.utexas.edu/apps/hr/jobs/nlogon/150331010806

Cant imagine some of the applications they get!

[THRILLHOUSE]

His star has faded so badly that he's being hired by Texas. Tough break Shaka.

haha basically. Shaka should do fine at Texas. I'm sure there have been a ton of high ranked players that would've loved to play for Shaka but had no interest playing at VCU. Won't have that problem at Texas. If Isaiah Taylor returns, he will have a Top 25 team next year. While I think not even talking to Marshall was dumb, Smart is a good hire. Young guy with proven success and can re-ignite a fan base that was worn down by Barnes.

[Masterofreality]

Well, Shaka to Texas is very close. He'll be in Austin as early as tomorrow. Thrill, get that flight tracker working for flights from Richmond to Austin.

This excerpt from a story about this deal is interesting as to how these things come together, and also that Marshall wasn't considered a "good fit".

"Sources told HornsDigest that Korn/Ferry had been in touch with Smart or his representatives multiple times, starting over the weekend. Those sources said things began heating up Tuesday night with one source saying Wednesday afternoon a deal between Texas and Smart "appears to be close."
Sources said other candidates whose interest in the Texas job was gauged by Korn/Ferry included Villanova's Jay Wright, Virginia's Tony Bennett, the Boston Celtics' Brad Stevens and that former Dallas Mavs coach Avery Johnson and former NBA coach John Lucas were also contacted. A source close to the situation said Wichita State coach Gregg Marshall had not been contacted by UT's search firm as of Wednesday morning.
According to a source, Texas AD Steve Patterson felt Marshall was not a good fit "personality wise" at UT."

And sorry. Shaka may well be a good guy, but it is my right to hate his basketball style. Places like Duke and Wisconsin don't play carny basketball and they have sustained success. I prefer that, rather than Whack A Mole.

[smileyy]

haha basically. Shaka should do fine at Texas. I'm sure there have been a ton of high ranked players that would've loved to play for Shaka but had no interest playing at VCU. Won't have that problem at Texas. If Isaiah Taylor returns, he will have a Top 25 team next year. While I think not even talking to Marshall was dumb, Smart is a good hire. Young guy with proven success and can re-ignite a fan base that was worn down by Barnes.

Its pretty much impossible to do less with the talent that Rick Barnes has had come through Texas.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Its pretty much impossible to do less with the talent that Rick Barnes has had come through Texas.

and at the same time Barnes is the best basketball coach in Texas history. Not sure if that says more about Barnes or about the state of Texas basketball when he came to Austin. Maybe both.

[DC Muskie]

Steve Patterson is a moron. How did he get this job? Passed on Marshall?

[paulxu]

Sometimes I just don't understand the coaching stuff at all.
Matta and Miller struck when the iron was hot...immediately, and one year after, their E8's.
But that doesn't guarantee success on the next run up the ladder. Miller hasn't made it past that point yet, Matta has.

Shaka had a magic run to the FF. But hasn't been out of the first weekend in 4 more tries.
Archie has an E8 and he's the flavor of the month on the rumor mill.

I like the more sustained record of high performance, like Marshall.
Hell, for that matter, I like Mack's 3 S16's in 6 years better than a one year flameout.
The 14 teams in the A10 have a combined total of 4 S16's during Mack's run of 3.

If Texas wanted the chance for sustained success as opposed to a marketing pop, they should've called Mack.
(Glad they didn't)

[THRILLHOUSE]

Geoff Ketchum @gkketch
Multiple UT officials have confirmed that Texas athletic director Steve Patterson plans to fly to Richmond tomorrow to meet with Smart.

Geoff Ketchum ‏@gkketch
Steve Patterson plans to bring Shaka Smart back to Austin on Thursday night and tour Austin and the campus on Friday.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Steve Patterson is a moron. How did he get this job? Passed on Marshall?

Even worse, they passed on Oliver Luck and hired Patterson instead. Sure, maybe Luck still bolts for the NCAA exec job even if he was at Texas, but a dumb decision to hire Patterson over him nonetheless.

[coasterville95]

The VCU board is convinced he is staying. Most of them dont seem nervous at all. Weird.

On another note if anyone wants to try and beat Shaka out for the job you can apply here:

https://utdirect.utexas.edu/apps/hr/jobs/nlogon/150331010806

Cant imagine some of the applications they get!

Oooooh!! I can apply for the Texas Basketball HC job?

Imagine the interview:

Q: What prior basketball experience have you had?

Shooting free throws at amusement parks and carnivals, watching college basketball both live and on TV. What I lack in traditional basketball experience I more than make up in the wisdom I bring from reading coaching advice on xavierhoops.com

Q: Describe your style of play for me.

A: I have developed a revolutionary new system. The advantages of it are that we can dispense with the tedious technical skills drills and situational practices? The name? I call it The Think System! IF you think you can play basketball, you can play basketball. IF you think you can defeat Kentucky, you can defeat Kentucky. Why I did think of it while playing pool at the new billiard parlor, why do you ask?

Q: What is your scheduling philosophy?

Well, I would find every bottom feeder sub 320 RPI team I can find. I'm talking teams that even Cronin would be EMBARRASED to schedule. I think with the sheer talent that is in that locker room, can we easily post a perfect OOC schedule against that competition.

Q: What sort of compensation are you asking?

A: I realize I have less experience than the other candidates, so I merely ask for a $1,000,000 sign on bonus and $1,000,000 per year thereafter, oh and I will need to be guaranteed 5 seasons so I have enough time to install my players and my system.

(To myself) Even though I have no intention of staying past one season, I figure once I go 0-17 in conference, the livid boosters and AD will be eager to write the meager $4,000,000 buyout check to get rid of me. By the time the NCAA tournament starts, I plan to be fully planted in the Las Vegas sports book of my dreams living the life.

(Or am I severely underestimating just how much of a living nightmare said livid boosters, fans and AD can make my life for that one sad season).

[xu82]

I'll vote for you to be hired..... For a cut of the action.

[X-Fan]

So Bama intends to pay Marshall almost $4 Mil a year? Good Lord! That's a lot of money.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--wichita-state-s-gregg-marshall-plans-to-visit-alabama-on-friday-010201546-ncaab.html

Supposedly Marshall is going to visit the Alabama campus on Friday. Interestingly, the article states they Bama has reached out to Rick Pirino if Marshall stays at WSU.

Chop chop Texas & Bama. Let's wrap these openings up.

[GoMuskies]

Jason King on Twitter:
Source close to Gregg Marshall has informed Bleacher Report that the coach is staying at Wichita State. Won't go to Alabama.

Paul Suellentrop ‏@PaulSuellentrop 17s17 seconds ago
Gregg Marshall has reached a verbal agreement to remain at Wichita State, according to two sources. Won't make trip to Tuscaloosa. Story

[LA Muskie]

It's not what they say at night. It's what they say in the morning.

[xavierj]

Jason King on Twitter:
Source close to Gregg Marshall has informed Bleacher Report that the coach is staying at Wichita State. Won't go to Alabama.

That source was me:) why not. Although he may stay. Not sure why though. Tuscaloosa must be more boring than Wichita. Sorry go, I spent two days in whicita once and it seemed like a time warp ghost town. It was like being in Owensboro, KY.

[GoMuskies]

Doesn't bother me. Boring is perfect at this stage of life. Vegas is a direct flight away.

[xavierj]

Doesn't bother me. Boring is perfect at this stage of life. Vegas is a direct flight away.

Vegas is always good for a day. What do people do for fun in Whicita?

[GoMuskies]

@EnthusiAdams: Gregg Marshall rewarded for historical run as the Shockers Head Basketball Coach with 7 year roll over contract to remain at Wichita State.

@ESPNAndyKatz: Not surprised Gregg Marshall decided to stay at Wichita State. He loves it there and can get to the tournament every year out of Valley.

Seems this thing is over.

[GoMuskies]

What do people do for fun in Whicita?

Same things parents of 3 kids do everywhere else. Minus traffic and a large mortgage payment.

[xavierj]

Same things parents of 3 kids do everywhere else. Minus traffic and a large mortgage payment.

Move to Cincinnati. You can have all of that plus Xavier, pro sports and Keeneland.

[GoMuskies]

Move to Cincinnati. You can have all of that plus Xavier, pro sports and Keeneland.

If P&G is offering, I'm in.

I'd hate losing the lack of traffic and miniature mortgage, though.

[xavierj]

If P&G is offering, I'm in.

I'd hate losing the lack of traffic and miniature mortgage, though.

Is Whicita a third world country? I never see tracffic in Cincinnati and it's pretty cheap to buy a house in my opinion.

[GoMuskies]

Are you kidding? 71 and 75 are brutal at rush hour. I literally do not slow down from the time I pull out of the driveway until I get to the one stop light between me and the office. It's fantastic.

Compared to my old Boston home, I'm sure Cincinnati is quite cheap. Wichita is a whole different level.

[GoMuskies]

It's not what they say at night. It's what they say in the morning.

Hard to walk this one back.

Kellen Marshall ‏@KelMoney24 3m3 minutes ago Hey everyone! After a long wait, a "source" tells me that my dad is staying at Wichita State!!!

@MattNorlander: Source tells http://CBSSports.com Marshall's new deal will be for $3.3 million per year on a seven-year contract.

[xavierj]

Move to Cincinnati. You can have all of that plus Xavier, pro sports and Keeneland.


Are you kidding? 71 and 75 are brutal at rush hour. I literally do not slow down from the time I pull out of the driveway until I get to the one stop light between me and the office. It's fantastic.

Compared to my old Boston home, I'm sure Cincinnati is quite cheap. Wichita is a whole different level.

Gotcha. I looked at moving to New York and then realized doubling my salary was taking a pay cut so I said no thanks. Can't beleive Wichita is so cheap because Cincy is really cheap, comparitively.

[X-Fan]

@EnthusiAdams: Gregg Marshall rewarded for historical run as the Shockers Head Basketball Coach with 7 year roll over contract to remain at Wichita State.

@ESPNAndyKatz: Not surprised Gregg Marshall decided to stay at Wichita State. He loves it there and can get to the tournament every year out of Valley.

Seems this thing is over.
Wait? So, Cal & Sean aren't going to convince him to change his mind tomorrow?

Interesting how this played out. Wonder who Bama goes after next. I can't imagine its Pitino. Archie? A Hurley? Larry Brown?

[xavierj]

You are correct that fired him was not the correct terminology. According to the press release it was a mutual agreement between the two parties for Major not to coach next year.


Hard to walk this one back.

Kellen Marshall ‏@KelMoney24 3m3 minutes ago Hey everyone! After a long wait, a "source" tells me that my dad is staying at Wichita State!!!

@MattNorlander: Source tells http://CBSSports.com Marshall's new deal will be for $3.3 million per year on a seven-year contract.

Whicita state is dumb to pay anyone close to that. I would say the same thing about Xavier. I would guess that Whicita State is not paying much of this and some over zealous alum is footing the bill. I guess the Kansas win made him a ton of money.

[xavierj]

Wait? So, Cal & Sean aren't going to convince him to change his mind tomorrow?

Interesting how this played out. Wonder who Bama goes after next. I can't imagine its Pitino. Archie? A Hurley? Larry Brown?

Why not Pitino? You realize they are talking about Rick's son, right?

[GoMuskies]

some over zealous alum is footing the bill

My guess is that these overzealous folks footing the bill are alums of MIT and Texas A&M, respectively.

[X-Fan]

Why not Pitino? You realize they are talking about Rick's son, right?
I do. From what I've heard, he's been underwealming there. Just seems like the other guys I mentioned would be a better hire.

[xavierj]

I do. From what I've heard, he's been underwealming there. Just seems like the other guys I mentioned would be a better hire.

I agree but a lot of time decision makers are really stupid and so hey it's a Pitino.

[xavierj]

My guess is that these overzealous folks footing the bill are alums of MIT and Texas A&M, respectively.

They must be the bored guys.

[OTRMUSKIE]

I agree but a lot of time decision makers are really stupid and so hey it's a Pitino.

Like when the Bengals got a Shula?

[paulxu]

What sort of pictures does Greg Marshall have of the Koch brothers?

[bleedXblue]

What sort of pictures does Greg Marshall have of the Koch brothers?

Yes most of the $$ is coming from the Kochs......has to be.....

[Masterofreality]

Hmmmm. Maybe my "Mick Cronin to Alabama" thread wasn't that far off? :smile:

And I agree. The Kochs have to be involved....just like T Boone is at OK State. No other way this could happen with Marshall.

[Masterofreality]

On Travis Steele.

I would be thrilled for him to get the NKU job. It would be great experience and he will do well. It would also give XU an insurance policy if CMack ever got that "can't turn down" offer like an Indiana. Travis gets a head job and builds a program then has the background to step in if something happens.

Go for it Trav!

[GoMuskies]

Charles and Chase Koch are definitely involved on the money side here. No doubt. I mean, Charles Koch ' s name is on the arena, and Gregg Marshall has said in multiple interviews that Charles Koch is the person he most admires. Ron Baker dumped ice water on Charles for the ice bucket challenge . The connections to the program are not exactly a secret.

[Masterofreality]

Charles and Chase Koch are definitely involved on the money side here. No doubt. I mean, Charles Koch ' s name is on the arena, and Gregg Marshall has said in multiple interviews that Charles Koch is the person he most admires. Ron Baker dumped ice water on Charles for the ice bucket challenge . The connections to the program are not exactly a secret.

I don't think that VCU has the same benefactor level. For that matter, other than Ok State and Oregon, I'm not sure ANY other program does.

[GoMuskies]

So who is going to take that Alabama job now that the Tide have publicly begged Gregg Marshall to take the job and been turned down? They can obviously offer a lot of money, but I'd be surprised if anyone above the level of a Steve Prohm is interested in being involved with them at this point.

Sweet Jesus, Alabama even issued a press release announcing to the world that they got rejected. Crazy:

"I received word tonight that Coach Gregg Marshall has chosen to remain the head basketball coach at Wichita State," said Alabama director of athletics Bill Battle in statement. "I fully respect his decision and wish him and his family all the best. My objective in this search is focused on one goal: to get the best person available to lead the Alabama men's basketball program. I remain determined to bring to our program a proven head coach with impressive credentials, one who understands and values our program, wants to lead our program, and is excited about what can be accomplished at the University of Alabama."

[Masterofreality]

So who is going to take that Alabama job now that the Tide have publicly begged Gregg Marshall to take the job and been turned down? They can obviously offer a lot of money, but I'd be surprised if anyone above the level of a Steve Prohm is interested in being involved with them at this point.

Sweet Jesus, Alabama even issued a press release announcing to the world that they got rejected. Crazy:

"I received word tonight that Coach Gregg Marshall has chosen to remain the head basketball coach at Wichita State," said Alabama director of athletics Bill Battle in statement. "I fully respect his decision and wish him and his family all the best. My objective in this search is focused on one goal: to get the best person available to lead the Alabama men's basketball program. I remain determined to bring to our program a proven head coach with impressive credentials, one who understands and values our program, wants to lead our program, and is excited about what can be accomplished at the University of Alabama."


Mick Cronin!!!! Errrr

Apparently they are now targeting Richard Pitino....or they could just pull a DePaul and bring back Wimp Sanderson. :shocked2:

[paulxu]

I remain determined to bring to our program a proven head coach with impressive credentials,"


Apparently they are now targeting Richard Pitino

One of these things is not like the other.

[smileyy]

It would also give XU an insurance policy if CMack ever got that "can't turn down" offer like an Indiana.

I don't think Indiana is that kind of job. Its a job with more downside than upside.

[GoMuskies]

Add one to the list Chris Jans is getting fired by Bowling Green for public conduct. If Marshall had left WSU, Jans was likely the first call for the WSU AD. Now he's unemployed. Ouch.

http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2015/04/02/chris-jans-bowling-green-fired-basketball-falcons

[GoMuskies]

Don't sign that Texas contract yet Shaka!!!! Florida might need a coach.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/12605160/billy-donovan-florida-gators-contender-nba-coaching-jobs-offseason-sources

[Muskie]

Anyone else surprised that Both Hurley's are staying put?

[GoMuskies]

Anyone else surprised that Both Hurley's are staying put?

It's only April 2nd. Give it time.

[Muskie]

It's only April 2nd. Give it time.

True. I guess an extension is only as good as the options available.

[xubrew]

So who is going to take that Alabama job now that the Tide have publicly begged Gregg Marshall to take the job and been turned down? They can obviously offer a lot of money, but I'd be surprised if anyone above the level of a Steve Prohm is interested in being involved with them at this point.

Sweet Jesus, Alabama even issued a press release announcing to the world that they got rejected. Crazy:

"I received word tonight that Coach Gregg Marshall has chosen to remain the head basketball coach at Wichita State," said Alabama director of athletics Bill Battle in statement. "I fully respect his decision and wish him and his family all the best. My objective in this search is focused on one goal: to get the best person available to lead the Alabama men's basketball program. I remain determined to bring to our program a proven head coach with impressive credentials, one who understands and values our program, wants to lead our program, and is excited about what can be accomplished at the University of Alabama."

Alabama just proposed on the jumbotron.....AND WAS TOLD NO!!!

They did an awesome job managing that. Nicely done!

[xubrew]

Add one to the list Chris Jans is getting fired by Bowling Green for public conduct. If Marshall had left WSU, Jans was likely the first call for the WSU AD. Now he's unemployed. Ouch.

http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2015/04/02/chris-jans-bowling-green-fired-basketball-falcons

WOW!!

I thought he was doing a great job, but I realize that doesn't necessarily mean he knows how to behave himself in public.

[Muskie]

WOW!!

I thought he was doing a great job, but I realize that doesn't necessarily mean he knows how to behave himself in public.

What did he do?

[xubrew]

What did he do?

No clue. It didn't say. Seeing it in this thread was the first I had heard of it.

[GoMuskies]

Something about a bar and a cellphone video. NEVER a good combination!

[xubrew]

Something about a bar and a cellphone video. NEVER a good combination!

So, something that only a public figure would lose their job over....

[GoMuskies]

So, something that only a public figure would lose their job over....

Probably. With Steve Forbes going to ETSU, Gregg Marshall might have JUST the landing spot for the over-exuberant Mr. Jans...

[GoMuskies]

A person involved in the incident told FOXSportsOhio.com that Jans acted "aggressively and inappropriately" toward at least one female bar patron on the night of March 21.

Jans was asked to leave after a woman slapped him, the source said. At least one of his assistant coaches was involved in getting Jans out of the bar


http://www.foxsports.com/ohio/story/bowling-green-head-coach-chris-jans-fired-040215

[Xville]

There is some chatter on the radio here that Billy Donovan might be going to the pros....for real this time. That would be interesting on multiple levels. Would a high profile coach go there? I wonder...

[Masterofreality]

There is some chatter on the radio here that Billy Donovan might be going to the pros....for real this time. That would be interesting on multiple levels. Would a high profile coach go there? I wonder...

Uh, oh. That one would scare me.

At the same time, seems like a job that Brad Underwood at SF Austin would be a good fit for.

[xavierj]

There is some chatter on the radio here that Billy Donovan might be going to the pros....for real this time. That would be interesting on multiple levels. Would a high profile coach go there? I wonder...

Don't they say that every year?

[X Factor]

Donovan signs extension worth 4 mil (http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/story/florida-gators-billy-donovan-contract-extension-4-million-salary-through-2020-040215)

[GoMuskies]

Donovan signs extension worth 4 mil (http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/story/florida-gators-billy-donovan-contract-extension-4-million-salary-through-2020-040215)

That was signed in December, so I don't think it's going to keep him in Gainesville.

[X-Fan]

Donovan signs extension worth 4 mil (http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/story/florida-gators-billy-donovan-contract-extension-4-million-salary-through-2020-040215)
Ya, they mentioned the extension in the previous article that discussed his NBA interest. I would imagine his role at Florida could be "getting old" compared to the prospect of coaching in the NBA. I would think the prospect of not having to recruit would be appealing.

If he does leave, would Florida go for a big name, hot young coach, or someone from the "Donovan Coaching Tree"?

This article is a few years gold, but Billy has a better tree than I would have thought: http://brockway.blogs.gatorsports.com/11916/looking-at-billy-ds-coaching-tree/

We all know Anthony Grant is available! ;-)

[smileyy]

My guess is they'd go with someone from the Donovan tree. We only think of Florida being a successful/desirable basketball school because of Billy Donovan.

[GoMuskies]

That's generally true, but Lon Kruger did a nice job there as well.

[xubrew]

A person involved in the incident told FOXSportsOhio.com that Jans acted "aggressively and inappropriately" toward at least one female bar patron on the night of March 21.

Jans was asked to leave after a woman slapped him, the source said. At least one of his assistant coaches was involved in getting Jans out of the bar


http://www.foxsports.com/ohio/story/bowling-green-head-coach-chris-jans-fired-040215

The irony is that his assistant, who is guilty of nothing and was actually trying to diffuse the situation, will also likely get shit canned.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Steve Patterson has just landed in Richmond. We shall see if he brings Shaka back to Austin with him or not...

[Masterofreality]

Beat me to it Thrill.

"@BDavisAAS: BREAKING: Texas AD Steve Patterson will land in Richmond after 4*p.m. CDT @statesman
http://t.co/8o9fg8vdux"

[GoMuskies]

The Jans video is out.

http://deadspin.com/heres-the-ass-slapping-video-that-got-bowling-greens-co-1695360858

[X-band '01]

Yeah, I don't think we'd be seeing Chris Mack or Travis Steele doing this at Dana's or some other establishment.

[Nigel Tufnel]

If Donovan is serious about going to the NBA, don't you think that might affect Shaka to Texas? Maybe Shaka's been called by Donovan/FLA to tell him to be patient if he'd like to coach at FLA. I'm assuming UF would be one of Shaka's top destinations...

[BMoreX]

@GoodmanESPN: VCU coach Shaka Smart has an 8 pm team meeting scheduled, sources told ESPN.

[spursy]

@GoodmanESPN: VCU coach Shaka Smart has an 8 pm team meeting scheduled, sources told ESPN.
After meeting with Texas AD?

He gone.

[xubrew]

The Jans video is out.

http://deadspin.com/heres-the-ass-slapping-video-that-got-bowling-greens-co-1695360858

So, Chris Jans got drunk and acted like a drunken obnoxious arrogant asshole in public, and it's all documented in around five pages of emails and video to go along with it. At the Coach's Convention at the Final Four, there will be a couple hundred coaches acting the same way, and probably worse. If you hate being around drunken obnoxious arrogant assholes, you definitely don't want to go to the coach's convention. Being at a college bar past midnight probably isn't the best place to be either, but I digress. Calling someone a bitch who simply asks you tone down the obnoxiousness a bit is acting like an asshole.

[XUFan09]

As the board's Richmond resident, this would have been my moment to shine, but alas, I don't have much in the way of going-ons down at VCU lol.

[MADXSTER]

So, Chris Jans got drunk and acted like a drunken obnoxious arrogant asshole in public, and it's all documented in around five pages of emails and video to go along with it. At the Coach's Convention at the Final Four, there will be a couple hundred coaches acting the same way, and probably worse. If you hate being around drunken obnoxious arrogant assholes, you definitely don't want to go to the coach's convention. Being at a college bar past midnight probably isn't the best place to be either, but I digress. Calling someone a bitch who simply asks you tone down the obnoxiousness a bit is acting like an asshole.

Are we talking about Jans or Huggins....could someone please clarify

[THRILLHOUSE]

KEYESportsBob: The official account of Texas Basketball just followed Shaka Smart. Done deal?

[paulxu]

@GoodmanESPN: VCU coach Shaka Smart has an 8 pm team meeting scheduled, sources told ESPN.

He'll accept without going down to Austin and checking the place out?

[xavierj]

He'll accept without going down to Austin and checking the place out?

Didn't sean miller do that? He accepted after meeting AD in New Mexico if I remember correctly.

[xu82]

He'll accept without going down to Austin and checking the place out?

I would. Austin is a winner over most places, said a guy who's never been there but hates state taxes and cold weather. (I hear Austin is awesome.)

[OH.X.MI]

@davidubben From VCU tonight RT @MichaelpRTD Players just left the meeting. None will comment. They are being escorted by the team PR staff.

[OH.X.MI]

Sounds like Shaka's gone. Also VCU's message board has crashed.

[BMoreX]

He gone @michaelpRTD: Last VCU players are leaving now. Visibly distraught.

[xubrew]

He gone @michaelpRTD: Last VCU players are leaving now. Visibly distraught.

Chris Jans is available.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Rothstein and other cbb media folks reporting Shaka to Texas is a done deal now.

[paulxu]

He's gone...unless he pulls a Cremins.

[LA Muskie]

CBS Sports is reporting that Shaka to TX is done as well.

[spursy]

Good call shaka. I pray that this is the end of hearing #HAVOC every time his team wins a game.

[GoMuskies]

They obviously preferred Smart, but I can tell you with about 95% certainty that Marshall would have taken that job. I think he'd have taken it for less than what WSU ended up paying him. And I think Marshall is just better than Shaka, so I think they'll regret it.

I am pleased they stayed away from Marshall, but I know a lot of people who are downright ecstatic about it.

[Masterofreality]

BOOM SHAKA Lacka!!!!

[D-West & PO-Z]

VCU's board was so sure over the last several days that Shaka wasnt even considering it. I cant understand why.

[xudash]

Major hit to the A10.

[Masterofreality]

VCU's board was so sure over the last several days that Shaka wasnt even considering it. I cant understand why.

Well, welcome back to mediocrity in the mediocre A10.

Lightning in a bottle was caught, and it.....is.....gonzo.

[GoMuskies]

I think VCU is an attractive job, and they'll likely get a good coach. With their fan support, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see them keep rolling along, at least to the same extent they have been recently. Obviously, getting back to the Final Four soon isn't likely. No one knows better than us how hard that is, but they'll likely be just fine.

[spursy]

VCU fans have been obnoxious through all of this. This isn't the first time a good coach has left a decent program for a better one. They'll probably be fine but VCU has never been a destination job and it'll be awhile if it ever is. If there was ever a program who knew this it is xavier

[X-Fan]

I think VCU is an attractive job, and they'll likely get a good coach. With their fan support, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see them keep rolling along, at least to the same extent they have been recently. Obviously, getting back to the Final Four soon isn't likely. No one knows better than us how hard that is, but they'll likely be just fine.
Doesn't VCU have a lot of talent coming back next year? If so, with what they pay I'm sure they'll get s good coach and likely be successful. Now, the real effect will be seen 2 seasons or so from now.

[xudash]

VCU has demonstrated that it can transition through HC changes. I agree that it's an attractive job as well. In fact, I believe they're finishing up a new practice/offices facility or somthing. VCU's administration clearly prioritizes the program; they get it.

Nonetheless, they're losing a guy that established himself with a certain amount of cache and celebrity status. They take a hit with this one, and still have to make it through the transition. The A10 takes collateral damage in the meantime, losing its most prominent coach.

[sirthought]

I wonder if they'd consider talking to Anthony Grant again?

It worked out okay for them the last time. I'm sure they understand why he'd leave, but they need a coach that knows the deal there and I'm guessing he'd be interested in a job right now. Might not find a better one, given his situation.

Unlikely, I know.

[throwbackmuskie]

Doesn't VCU have a lot of talent coming back next year? If so, with what they pay I'm sure they'll get s good coach and likely be successful. Now, the real effect will be seen 2 seasons or so from now.

And coming in, if they stick. Archie to VCU!

[Masterofreality]

We all know that recruits don't pick a school, they pick a coach. I would guess the scrambling is on to try to get out of their commitment letters to VCU.

Not exactly a garden spot. I would guess we will see a large drop off in the "VCU brand"...if there ever really was one.

[bleedXblue]

If Archie is smart, he waits. I expect some big jobs to open next year. Potentially: Indiana, Illinois, Memphis, Georgia Tech, Syracuse (situation is pretty fluid right now), Purdue. The list is pretty lengthy and I am sure there are a handful of other good jobs I'm missing too.

[Milhouse]

VCU and Havoc had a cult like following. It's going to be super interesting to see how he does at Texas and how VCU rebounds. I like Shaka a lot. I think he's very good for college basketball

[Masterofreality]

If Archie is smart, he waits. I expect some big jobs to open next year. Potentially: Indiana, Illinois, Memphis, Georgia Tech, Syracuse (situation is pretty fluid right now), Purdue. The list is pretty lengthy and I am sure there are a handful of other good jobs I'm missing too.

Well, those jobs would put a LOT of current coaches in play.:mad:

[Xville]

I for one think VCU will be just fine as long as they hire the right coach. They have and are investing a lot of money into the basketball program, and VCU was good before Shaka....he brought them to another level, but Capel and Grant really set the table for him.

[bleedXblue]

Well, those jobs would put a LOT of current coaches in play.:mad:

We just have to hope Mack wants to stay at his Alma Mater and hometown. He has a good gig making in excess of 1MM a year. At some point he's going to get offered a lot more money and hopefully that isn't his primary motivation.

[Xville]

i have a feeling that if UK goes 40-0, Cal is gone....there will be nothing left for him to prove at the college level and he is an egomaniac who wants another shot at the NBA. If that happens, the dominoes are going to be interesting.

[THRILLHOUSE]

i have a feeling that if UK goes 40-0, Cal is gone....there will be nothing left for him to prove at the college level and he is an egomaniac who wants another shot at the NBA. If that happens, the dominoes are going to be interesting.

I don't see that happening. Not yet anyway. I think Cal wants to rule college basketball on a Wooden like level. He's got it made in Lexington. The one exception to this being if Cleveland dumps Blatt then I could see Cal wanting to join Lebron.

[X-band '01]

I wonder if they'd consider talking to Anthony Grant again?



Jeff Capel is also available for the VCU job.

[LA Muskie]

We all know that recruits don't pick a school, they pick a coach. I would guess the scrambling is on to try to get out of their commitment letters to VCU.

I don't think that's ENTIRELY true. But there's certainly a lot of truth to it.

[Muskie]

You cannot get on the VCU board right now. They are slammed.

[paulxu]

I think it crashed last night.

[Muskie]

And it's never recovered.

[Milhouse]

I don't see that happening. Not yet anyway. I think Cal wants to rule college basketball on a Wooden like level. He's got it made in Lexington. The one exception to this being if Cleveland dumps Blatt then I could see Cal wanting to join Lebron.

This.

I have no doubt he would've jumped to Cleveland had he known Lebron was heading back. If they bounce Blatt (a possibility for sure) then I would be shocked if he stays

[Masterofreality]

@EvanDaniels: Source tells Scout that Richard Pitino was heavily in the mix for the Alabama job, but will stay at Minnesota"

Brad Underwood?

[X-band '01]

VCU has demonstrated that it can transition through HC changes. I agree that it's an attractive job as well. In fact, I believe they're finishing up a new practice/offices facility or somthing. VCU's administration clearly prioritizes the program; they get it.

Nonetheless, they're losing a guy that established himself with a certain amount of cache and celebrity status. They take a hit with this one, and still have to make it through the transition. The A10 takes collateral damage in the meantime, losing its most prominent coach.

They no longer have their version of Mike Bobinski, though. Norwood Teague was the one who hired Anthony Grant and Shaka Smart (not sure if he hired Jeff Capel). They have a new AD in place who will be responsible for their next hire.

[Muskie]

Reading VCU's board. Seems like most of them feel the way we did when Miller left. An example:

I'm just confused I guess. This move goes against pretty much everything he's ever said about his motives and what he's about, and comes at a puzzling time with everything we've got going for us here.

I worry for our team. I am not sure we're going to be able to keep them all together, which stings even more. We were on the verge of having the players to be the team that we always wanted to be and now, we're faced with the prospect of players leaving or decommiting.

Just can't help but be a little bitter. In the end, we were just another stepping stone, though we are in a significantly better spot now.

We'll carry on and be fine, but our momentum has taken a major hit.

[Masterofreality]

They no longer have their version of Mike Bobinski, though. Norwood Teague was the one who hired Anthony Grant and Shaka Smart (not sure if he hired Jeff Capel). They have a new AD in place who will be responsible for their next hire.

THIS.

VCU is in deep deep doo doo.

[GoMuskies]

Our Bobo didn't hire Staak, Gillen or Prosser. They'll be fine.

[sirthought]

They might not have their version of Bobo, but they could have their version of Mack.

An assistant within the program may be able to smooth things as well as possible right now, especially with the current recruits coming in.

I'm sure there are a number of assistants at major programs ready to step up to the head coach role, as Smart did, but if VCU loves Smart's style so much, they might as well look inside the current program.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Reading VCU's board. Seems like most of them feel the way we did when Miller left. An example:

I'm just confused I guess. This move goes against pretty much everything he's ever said about his motives and what he's about, and comes at a puzzling time with everything we've got going for us here.

I worry for our team. I am not sure we're going to be able to keep them all together, which stings even more. We were on the verge of having the players to be the team that we always wanted to be and now, we're faced with the prospect of players leaving or decommiting.

Just can't help but be a little bitter. In the end, we were just another stepping stone, though we are in a significantly better spot now.

We'll carry on and be fine, but our momentum has taken a major hit.

I still cant get on. When I went there two days ago I read like 3 pages of their Shaka watch thread and ZERO people seemed concerned he was leaving. I was so confused.

[Retire33]

Link to VCU boards?

[X-Fan]

Reading VCU's board. Seems like most of them feel the way we did when Miller left. An example:

I'm just confused I guess. This move goes against pretty much everything he's ever said about his motives and what he's about, and comes at a puzzling time with everything we've got going for us here.

I worry for our team. I am not sure we're going to be able to keep them all together, which stings even more. We were on the verge of having the players to be the team that we always wanted to be and now, we're faced with the prospect of players leaving or decommiting.

Just can't help but be a little bitter. In the end, we were just another stepping stone, though we are in a significantly better spot now.

We'll carry on and be fine, but our momentum has taken a major hit.

Has Shaka given his first Lexus/Buick analogy to one of his recruits yet?

[Muskie]

I still cant get on. When I went there two days ago I read like 3 pages of their Shaka watch thread and ZERO people seemed concerned he was leaving. I was so confused.
I think after 3-4 seasons of him not leaving, they believed him when he said he had different priorities.

[casualfan]

Will Wade is the guy I have heard most likely to end up there. VCU will be fine. Shaka improved the profile of that program greatly and if Wade gets the job there will be some continuity as he spent some time their as an assistant before getting the Chattanooga job.

[bobbiemcgee]

Link to VCU boards?

http://www.vcuramnation.com/

crashing often I assume due to volume.

[Masterofreality]

Our Bobo didn't hire Staak, Gillen or Prosser. They'll be fine.

Lot's of confidence in a guy you know nothing about. :biggrin:

[XU 87]

Our Bobo didn't hire Staak, Gillen or Prosser. They'll be fine.

Story I have heard is that Fogelson wanted to hire the UNLV assistant instead of Gillen, but some prominent alums were in an uproar over that.

[Masterofreality]

Story I have heard is that Fogelson wanted to hire the UNLV assistant instead of Gillen, but some prominent alums were in an uproar over that.

Yeah, ask Q about that whole thing.

[LA Muskie]

Our Bobo didn't hire Staak, Gillen or Prosser. They'll be fine.

Or Miller.

[D-West & PO-Z]

VCU's board is working, one of their posters said this:

"We are either going to turn into Xavier or George Mason."

[smileyy]

TIL:
* George Mason is in the A-10
* George Mason is sub-200 KenPom........below Fordham

Ouch.

[xudash]

Story I have heard is that Fogelson wanted to hire the UNLV assistant instead of Gillen, but some prominent alums were in an uproar over that.

And the rest, as they say, is history. Can you imagine where we might be had Jeff prevailed? Who knows, but I like how the actual outcome worked out.

[Masterofreality]

Story I have heard is that Fogelson wanted to hire the UNLV assistant instead of Gillen, but some prominent alums were in an uproar over that.


And the rest, as they say, is history. Can you imagine where we might be had Jeff prevailed? Who knows, but I like how the actual outcome worked out.

The guy in question that would have been a huge mistake was Tim Grgurich. Fogelson wanted him. Smarter heads prevailed, although Grgurich is credited with inventing the "Amoeba Defense".

[GoMuskies]

He was a good coach, bit he essentially had a nervous breakdown as head coach at UNLV.

[Masterofreality]

Avery Johnson apparently to Alabama.

http://zagsblog.com/articles/report-alabama-close-to-hiring-avery-johnson-as-next-head-coach/

Happy Easter!

[THRILLHOUSE]

Per Jeff Goodman, Travis Steele is a candidate for the Green Bay job.

[Masterofreality]

Per Jeff Goodman, Travis Steele is a candidate for the Green Bay job.

Good!

[LA Muskie]

That makes at least two, probably three jobs for which he's a candidate: NKU, UW-GB, and BGSU. Can't imagine he'll be back. Good for him. He deserves it.

[Masterofreality]

"@GaryParrishCBS: Avery Johnson has reached an agreement in principle to coach Alabama, a source told @CBSSports."

And there U go. Nice and quiet on the off season coaching carousel- except for Havoc.

Now, if Calamari or Donovan goes NBA...

[Bearcat_Bounce]

Should VCU bring back Anthony Grant?

[X-Fan]

"@GaryParrishCBS: Avery Johnson has reached an agreement in principle to coach Alabama, a source told @CBSSports."

And there U go. Nice and quiet on the off season coaching carousel- except for Havoc.

Now, if Calamari or Donovan goes NBA...

Kind of an odd choice. I would be surprised if he did well. Seems like the Murry St coach would have been a way better fit. Looks like Bama was determined to win the press conference.

[xavierj]

Kind of an odd choice. I would be surprised if he did well. Seems like the Murry St coach would have been a way better fit. Looks like Bama was determined to win the press conference.

Still not sure why Michael White is not being considered for these open positions. Guy can coach and recruit. I mean he has made Louisiana Tech somewhat relevant. He is 101-40 at LA Tech. Not bad.

[OTRMUSKIE]

I think you will see Anthony Grant take over at Dayton in the future. He played there on the 80's and I know their fans wanted him before. Like someone mentioned above if cal and Donovan go pro a whole bunch of openings will open up. Should be an exciting few weeks.

[xubrew]

Still not sure why Michael White is not being considered for these open positions. Guy can coach and recruit. I mean he has made Louisiana Tech somewhat relevant. He is 101-40 at LA Tech. Not bad.

I like him, but LA Tech was actually kind of disappointing this year. Last year, they were good despite being really beat up and you just got the impression that they stayed healthy all year they would have made the NCAA Tournament. They almost did before losing to Tulsa in the final, but they would have likely been in position to make it without the automatic bid had they stayed healthy. It was kind of impressive they did as well as they did last year. Basically, by the time the conference tournament rolled around they were without three starters.

This year, they were healthy and they had their entire roster back, but weren't any better. They lost more than a couple games that they had no business losing. I agree that he's good, and when LA Tech plays as well as they're capable of they're easily a top forty caliber team. The problem was the alarming rate at which they did not play like a top forty team.

To your point though, I do like Mike White as a coach.

[THRILLHOUSE]

NKU is going with Alabama assistant John Brannen.

[THRILLHOUSE]

And Pat Kelsey thinks NKU made a great hire:

@patkelsey John Brannen being hired by Northern Kentucky is a home run & grand slam. Walk off style. He's the best I know. Coach. Person. He'll kill it

[SlimKibbles]

And Pat Kelsey thinks NKU made a great hire:

@patkelsey John Brannen being hired by Northern Kentucky is a home run & grand slam. Walk off style. He's the best I know. Coach. Person. He'll kill it

He'll do a great job for them. Former NCC star is coming home.

[RealDeal]

Is it true dayton is bringing Brooks Hall in as an assistant?

[BMoreX]

Heh

[Muskie]

I moved most of the Dayton rhetoric to here (http://www.xavierhoops.com/showthread.php?29815-Archie-Miller-musings-removed-from-the-Coaching-Carousel-Threadhttp://www.xavierhoops.com/showthread.php?29815-Archie-Miller-musings-removed-from-the-Coaching-Carousel-Thread). Go there if you want to talk about the team that we haven't played in two years. I personally haven't thought about UD at all since January 30, 2013 (link (http://content.usatoday.com/sportsdata/basketball/ncaab/game/Dayton_Xavier/2013/01/30#box-score)).

Carry on with coaching moves in this thread. Thanks.

[xubrew]

Okay, why would NKU fire a long time coach who had been successful, and by all accounts was performing way above average as a transitional program, and replace him with an assistant coach who's head coach just got fired??

[GoMuskies]

Okay, why would NKU fire a long time coach who had been successful, and by all accounts was performing way above average as a transitional program, and replace him with an assistant coach who's head coach just got fired??

Because he's a grand slam hire. Walk off style. He's the best. Coach. Person. He'll kill it.

[casualfan]

As expected VCU is hiring Will Wade.

[xubrew]

As expected VCU is hiring Will Wade.

Not a home run, but it's definitely a base hit. Maybe even a double.

[Muskie]

Not a home run, but it's definitely a base hit. Maybe even a double.

Will Tom Crean have some sort of Comment like, You can't wake up on 2nd Base and act like you've hit a triple?

[xubrew]

Will Tom Crean have some sort of Comment like, You can't wake up on 2nd Base and act like you've hit a triple?

Tom Crean really needs to go, which is why I'm so happy he's staying for at least one more year.

[SlimKibbles]

Okay, why would NKU fire a long time coach who had been successful, and by all accounts was performing way above average as a transitional program, and replace him with an assistant coach who's head coach just got fired??

I don't think Bezold deserved to get canned but NKU must have felt that he wouldn't be the right guy to have the kind of team to compete for an A-Sun tournament championship when they're eligible for the NCAA Tournament for the first time in 2016-17. Just a guess on my part though. Brannen does have plenty of D1 playing and coaching experience. I think he'll do a great job.

[sirthought]

The NKU hire does sound promising. He knows the region. He's been around programs that have achieved. He's hungry to prove himself.

I think it will be a challenge to recruit big talent to that program. But this guy knows a system that may work better in their league than in the SEC.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Jeff Goodman ‏@GoodmanESPN 37s37 seconds ago
Bobby Hurley is the new coach at Arizona State, multiple industry sources told ESPN.

[GoMuskies]

Anyone else surprised that Both Hurley's are staying put?


It's only April 2nd. Give it time.


It took 7 more days. The Carousel be crazy.

[X-Fan]

Jeff Goodman ‏@GoodmanESPN 37s37 seconds ago
Bobby Hurley is the new coach at Arizona State, multiple industry sources told ESPN.
That escalated quickly. Wonder why Capel turned it down?

So, unless Donovan or Cal take an NBA job, the Carousel is basically done for this year, right?

[sirthought]

That escalated quickly. Wonder why Capel turned it down?

So, unless Donovan or Cal take an NBA job, the Carousel is basically done for this year, right?

Well, Buffalo has to fill their job now.

[xu82]

Well, Buffalo has to fill their job now.

Great wings and die hard fans. (You know... for the Bills.)

[GoMuskies]

Steve Prohm would be a good hire for them.

[THRILLHOUSE]

the carousel could get started again with the OKC Thunder firing Brooks, rumor is their top targets are Billy Donovan and Kevin Ollie. Stay tuned...

[X-Fan]

the carousel could get started again with the OKC Thunder firing Brooks, rumor is their top targets are Billy Donovan and Kevin Ollie. Stay tuned...

Yep, although Ollie already put out a statement that he has no interest in leaving for NBA. For whatever that's worth.

[Lloyd Braun]

Yep, although Ollie already put out a statement that he has no interest in leaving for NBA. For whatever that's worth.

That's not quite what he said: "I have said many times, I am proud and honored to be the head basketball coach at the University of Connecticut and I have no plans to pursue other opportunities."

[Xville]

ill be shocked if Donovan doesn't go this time if offered, especially with the chance to coach Durant (if only for a year) and Westbrook.

[THRILLHOUSE]

That's not quite what he said: "I have said many times, I am proud and honored to be the head basketball coach at the University of Connecticut and I have no plans to pursue other opportunities."

yep. OKC could "pursue" him and his statement would still be accurate.

[Muskie]

Wojnarowski also reports (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/590951699692531714) that despite issuing a public statement to the contrary (http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/04/22/kevin-ollie-rumored-to-be-a-candidate-to-replace-scott-brooks-in-okc-says-hes-staying-at-uconn/), UConn head coach Kevin Ollie has significant interest in the position.

[THRILLHOUSE]

ill be shocked if Donovan doesn't go this time if offered, especially with the chance to coach Durant (if only for a year) and Westbrook.

Yeah sounds like the job is Donovan's if he wants it. He should take it, even if KD does leave in 2016, seems like OKC has a decent front office. And if he fails he can always go back to college like Pitino and Cal.

[Bulldawg]

Yep, although Ollie already put out a statement that he has no interest in leaving for NBA. For whatever that's worth.

As a Butler fan, I can tell you a coach saying he's happy where he's at can change when the NBA money comes rolling in.

[xu82]

As a Butler fan, I can tell you a coach saying he's happy where he's at can change when the NBA money comes rolling in.

It's a lot more fun when it happens to someone else! And it doesn't have to be NBA money, it just has to be the green kind with lots of digits and commas. We can attest to that.

[Masterofreality]

I think OKC wants Ollie, and Ollie wants OKC.

[LA Muskie]

I think OKC wants Ollie, and Ollie wants OKC.
I think you're right. Seems to me the Donovan buzz is just to keep some of the heat off Ollie while they negotiate a deal. That said, if they truly want to win a championship next year to try to keep Durant (and by most accounts they started mortgaging their future on that this year), hiring a rookie NBA head coach does not seem like the best route to a championship. (Admittedly, two of the favorites have rookie NBA head coaches, but let's see how they manage the playoffs before we anoint them...)

[X-Fan]

I think you're right. Seems to me the Donovan buzz is just to keep some of the heat off Ollie while they negotiate a deal. That said, if they truly want to win a championship next year to try to keep Durant (and by most accounts they started mortgaging their future on that this year), hiring a rookie NBA head coach does not seem like the best route to a championship. (Admittedly, two of the favorites have rookie NBA head coaches, but let's see how they manage the playoffs before we anoint them...)
It'll certainly be a tough balancing act for them. Many thought OKC would keep Brooks because Durant and Westbrook like him. I saw reports that Durrant is high on Ollie. At the same time, many also think that Durrant will leave to go home to DC after next season.

[LA Muskie]

It'll certainly be a tough balancing act for them. Many thought OKC would keep Brooks because Durant and Westbrook like him. I saw reports that Durrant is high on Ollie. At the same time, many also think that Durrant will leave to go home to DC after next season.
I think the assumption is that he will probably leave to go SOMEWHERE next year, UNLESS they win the championship next year. Then it becomes very hard to leave. And hence putting a hell of a lot of eggs (and $$$) in the next year basket.

PS: I personally tend to think it will be hard for him to resist going to the Lakers (and they will make a HUGE push to get him), notwithstanding his east coast roots.

[GoMuskies]

Brooks getting fired just goes to show life is tough in the NBA. I doubt he stays unemployed for even 10 days.

[Juice]

I think the assumption is that he will probably leave to go SOMEWHERE next year, UNLESS they win the championship next year. Then it becomes very hard to leave. And hence putting a hell of a lot of eggs (and $$$) in the next year basket.

PS: I personally tend to think it will be hard for him to resist going to the Lakers (and they will make a HUGE push to get him), notwithstanding his east coast roots.

The talk is possibly Washington but I'm too lazy to look at their cap situation.

Edit: I got un-lazy. They have $70 million in salary committed next year. In 2016-2017, they have $32 million in committed salary with all the important players locked up (Wall, Gortat, Beal, Porter). Plus, there are going to be huge increases in the salary cap in the next several years.

[LA Muskie]

Washington will be in a position to offer him a max deal. But so will the Lakers. And they will find a way to have 2 All-Stars playing next to him, if that's what he wants.

PS: I take no pleasure in that. I'm not a Lakers fan. But I would love to have KD in town. I also take no pleasure in the Lakers sucking.

[XUPhilly04]

Brooks getting fired just goes to show life is tough in the NBA. I doubt he stays unemployed for even 10 days.

Really hope the 76ers hire him. He has proven that he can develop young talent. 76ers are very young and have "some" talent. He would be a great hire, but may have to concede with upper management about not winning too much next year as it appears that Philly will continue the tank job for one more year.

[Juice]

Washington will be in a position to offer him a max deal. But so will the Lakers. And they will find a way to have 2 All-Stars playing next to him, if that's what he wants.

PS: I take no pleasure in that. I'm not a Lakers fan. But I would love to have KD in town. I also take no pleasure in the Lakers sucking.

Does that include Kobe Bryant? Because only an idiot would decide to play with Kobe at this point. I'd rather play with Wall and Beal.

[LA Muskie]

Does that include Kobe Bryant? Because only an idiot would decide to play with Kobe at this point. I'd rather play with Wall and Beal.

Word is that Kobe is retiring after next season.

[GoMuskies]

Billy Donovan appears to be the man in OKC. So the Carousel will be back open for business soon.

[gladdenguy]

Billy Donovan appears to be the man in OKC. So the Carousel will be back open for business soon.

I guess Anthony Grant who just got a job at Florida will have to join Mack's staff.

[casualfan]

http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2015/04/29/florida-gators-billy-donovan-oklahoma-city-thunder-coach

[GoMuskies]

http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2015/04/29/florida-gators-billy-donovan-oklahoma-city-thunder-coach

So Chris Mack is #2 in line for the job? Carousel is WIDE open!

[waggy]

So Chris Mack is #2 in line for the job? Carousel is WIDE open!

Never say never, but I really doubt Mack leaves this year.

[casualfan]

Never say never, but I really doubt Mack leaves this year.

He's biding his time waiting for a top 10-15 job.

It's not a matter of if he leaves, but when from what I've been told.

I don't know if Florida is a top 10-15 type job, but it isn't far off.

I know my opinion/information on this has not been popular in the past, but it is what it is.

[LA Muskie]

So Chris Mack is #2 in line for the job? Carousel is WIDE open!
I got the impression he was just throwing out the obvious names, more than having inside information. Also, where's Gregg Marshall on that list?

[GoMuskies]

I'd be surprised if someone was willing to give Mack a top 10-15 job, but who knows?

I'm not worried about Florida. If it comes open and he goes, he goes. If not, great.

[GoMuskies]

Also, where's Gregg Marshall on that list?

After the Alabama deal, Marshall can't leave this year unless it's Kentucky.

[casualfan]

I got the impression he was just throwing out the obvious names, more than having inside information. Also, where's Gregg Marshall on that list?

Here is the quote from the article:

Expect Dayton’s Archie Miller to be Foley’s top target, followed by Xavier’s Chris Mack, Minnesota’s Richard Pitino and Louisiana Tech’s Michael White.

The key word to me is expect. I don't think he's throwing names at the wall and hoping they stick.

[LA Muskie]

After the Alabama deal, Marshall can't leave this year unless it's Kentucky.

Ah... Now I'm nervous. I have a hard time believing Archie is definitely ahead of Mack on any lists. Maybe nose-and-nose, but not head-and-shoulders ahead.

[LA Muskie]

Here is the quote from the article:

Expect Dayton’s Archie Miller to be Foley’s top target, followed by Xavier’s Chris Mack, Minnesota’s Richard Pitino and Louisiana Tech’s Michael White.

The key word to me is expect. I don't think he's throwing names at the wall and hoping they stick.
I'm not suggesting you are misreading it, but he doesn't claim to have any sources (named or unnamed) for that statement. Which I take to mean is more of a guess. An educated guess (because there are only so many real candidates) but a guess nevertheless.

That said, I hope he's right. If Archie is option #1 then the job search will be very short.

[muskiefan82]

Ah... Now I'm nervous. I have a hard time believing Archie is definitely ahead of Mack on any lists. Maybe nose-and-nose, but not head-and-shoulders ahead.

Why? Archie is ahead of Mack in the "likely to actually leave because where he is sucks" list of available coaches.

[waggy]

The key word to me is expect. I don't think he's throwing names at the wall and hoping they stick.


And I think he's saying up front he don't know sheat.

[XU 87]

He's biding his time waiting for a top 10-15 job.

It's not a matter of if he leaves, but when from what I've been told.

I don't know if Florida is a top 10-15 type job, but it isn't far off.

I know my opinion/information on this has not been popular in the past, but it is what it is.

I have no info to dispute what you say. However, I think Texas would be considered a top 15 job and it doesn't appear he had any interest in that job.

[smileyy]

Why? Archie is ahead of Mack in the "likely to actually leave because where he is sucks" list of available coaches.

Yeah -- the list isn't based on "coaching quality" (not that Archie is any slouch), but on "quality coach availability".

[GoMuskies]

I don't think Texas ever considered anyone other than Shaka for that job. If Mack would have crawled to Austin to take that job I don't think we'd know it.

[casualfan]

I don't think Texas ever considered anyone other than Shaka for that job. If Mack would have crawled to Austin to take that job I don't think we'd know it.

Correct. They were Smart from the jump.

[94GRAD]

I have no info to dispute what you say. However, I think Texas would be considered a top 15 job and it doesn't appear he had any interest in that job.

Texas is in a tougher conference than Florida. There's only 1 program you're recruiting against in the SEC

[casualfan]

By the way, Mack's name was out there in connection to the Texas job:

http://texas.247sports.com/Article/Texas-Longhorns-basketball-Shaka-Smart-Chris-Mack-update-36505583

Sources have told 247Sports' Jerry Meyer that coaches of major interest for Texas include Gregg Marshall (Wichita State), Shaka Smart (VCU), Larry Krystkowiak (Utah) and Chris Mack (Xavier). In addition, sources also tell 247Sports the Longhorns have reached out to both Kevin Ollie (Connecticut) and Jay Wright (Villanova).


They obviously never made it that far down their list, but he was connected to it.

[GoMuskies]

I don't buy that list. They never even considered Gregg Marshall (and Marshall would have taken the job).

[casualfan]

I don't buy that list. They never even considered Gregg Marshall (and Marshall would have taken the job).

Ok, how about this one?

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/college-sports/columnists/chuck-carlton/20150330-carlton-where-texas-basketball-s-coaching-search-stands-after-a-wacky-monday.ece

If Smart turns down Texas, CBS reported the Longhorns are likely to turn their attention to Utah's Larry Krystkowiak and Xavier's Chris Mack. Villanova's Jay Wright could be another possibility. Former NBA coaches like Avery Johnson, John Lucas and Mike Dunleavy have expressed an interest in the job, with Lucas and Johnson having strong contacts in the state. Patterson’s father, Ray, drafted Lucas when he ran the Houston Rockets.

[GoMuskies]

We still don't know whether Mack had any interest (not responding to your lists, but the general point...)