Georgia Tech Basketball

[DC Muskie]

I'm just going to throw it out there...

Brian Gregory's Georgia Tech's team just lost to Boston College in the ACC tournament opener. His team limped to a 12-19 (how did they ever win 12?!) record.

Bobo has been AD at Tech for 2 years now and Brian, knowing that a former Xavier AD is now his boss, is doing his best Dayton impression and losing almost every game.

These past two years with Bobo down the hall have actually been worse then the two years before Mike arrived. And that is saying something, because those first two years were Charles Barkley turrible.

Gregory's tenure in Atlanta is 55-71. In four years of ACC play, he hasn't even managed to win 20 games total. He has one winning season (16-15!) and bottomed out this year winning just 3 conference games. Hell we won three on the road in the BE this year!

Does Bobo pick up the phone and call Chris? I would. If I were Chris, would I listen? Yes, that's always smart. Would I take that job? Hell freaking no.

What do you think?

[xubrew]

Brian Gregory clearly just needs more time. He deserves another year.

Okay, in all seriousness, I don't know why UD didn't get rid of the guy, I don't know why Georgia Tech hired the guy, and I don't know why Georgia Tech have kept the guy as long as they have. His players and staff love him. I'm sure he's a great guy. Perhaps he's such a great guy that people just feel too guilty about getting rid of him.

...and yeah, if I were Bobo, I'd at least give Chris Mack a call. I'd give some other coaches a call as well, but he'd probably be on my list of good coaches that I thought I had a chance to get.

[bleedXblue]

Gregory is done. It will be very telling if Mack isn't a candidate. No way you take that job. You wait for top 10-15 job if you really want to do something else.

[Masterofreality]

I never knew why Georgia Texh went after Gregory to begin with...and most udump fans were ecstatic that they did to take him off their hands, along with his long term guaranteed contract.

Gregory is another guy who should have stayed at a certain level because no way he could cut it higher. Again, A10 vs Top 3 league. Miles of difference.

And, yeah, I would say that Bobo would at least give CMack a call, and if Coach is perceiving enough heat, and there is enough money on the table, he might take it. They obviously have synergy.

[DC Muskie]

Gregory is done. It will be very telling if Mack isn't a candidate. No way you take that job. You wait for top 10-15 job if you really want to do something else.

This gets me thinking...Is GaTech a huge rebuilding job? I gotta think with the resources in Atlanta that you could turn that program around rather quickly. Look at UVA.

Who knows, maybe the gauntlet of the ACC is really too much to get back to where they were when horrible Paul Hewitt took them to the FF.

Remember that? Paul Hewitt has won 8 games in two years of A10 conference play.

[xubrew]

I never knew why Georgia Texh went after Gregory to begin with...and most udump fans were ecstatic that they did to take him off their hands, along with his long term guaranteed contract.

Gregory is another guy who should have stayed at a certain level because no way he could cut it higher. Again, A10 vs Top 3 league. Miles of difference.

And, yeah, I would say that Bobo would at least give CMack a call, and if Coach is perceiving enough heat, and there is enough money on the table, he might take it. They obviously have synergy.

I think he's a great assistant coach or associate head coach. He's not cut out to be a head coach anywhere in div1. The two roles are not the same.

[xubrew]

This gets me thinking...Is GaTech a huge rebuilding job? I gotta think with the resources in Atlanta that you could turn that program around rather quickly. Look at UVA.

Who knows, maybe the gauntlet of the ACC is really too much to get back to where they were when horrible Paul Hewitt took them to the FF.

Remember that? Paul Hewitt has won 8 games in two years of A10 conference play.

I think Georgia Tech has a ton of potential. It's in a big city that likes basketball, but has no good basketball. If it ever did start winning, they'd be full every night. If Paul Hewitt can get them to the championship game, it can't be THAT hard to win there.

[DC Muskie]

I think he's a great assistant coach or associate head coach. He's not cut out to be a head coach anywhere in div1. The two roles are not the same.

I just mentioned this to a buddy, I would find it hilarious if he joined our staff.

[XU 87]

I never knew why Georgia Texh went after Gregory to begin with...

I think G. Tech didn't have much money to spend on a new coach because they were still paying Hewitt. As a result, they didn't get much interest from other coaches. Gregory was a cheap hire who had some previous success, albeit limited.

I do think it would be kind of funny if Mack went to G. Tech and XU hired Archie.

[xubrew]

I think G. Tech didn't have much money to spend on a new coach because they were still paying Hewitt. As a result, they didn't get much interest from other coaches. Gregory was a cheap hire who had some previous success, albeit limited.

I do think it would be kind of funny if Mack went to G. Tech and XU hired Archie.

That wouldn't be 'kind of' funny. That would be hysterically funny!

[DC Muskie]

I do think it would be kind of funny if Mack went to G. Tech and XU hired Archie.

Then Dayton would do us all a favor and wipe itself off the map.

[JTG]

I think G. Tech didn't have much money to spend on a new coach because they were still paying Hewitt. As a result, they didn't get much interest from other coaches. Gregory was a cheap hire who had some previous success, albeit limited.

I do think it would be kind of funny if Mack went to G. Tech and XU hired Archie.

You know, I think I would be ok with that. My only worry would be Archie, like his brother having a roving eye for somewhere else. But being Big East now, maybe that would not be a big worry.

[Bearcat_Bounce]

B-Greg lost a ton of close games this year!!! He will get them back to NIT level soon enough.

[LA Muskie]

Gregory is done. It will be very telling if Mack isn't a candidate. No way you take that job. You wait for top 10-15 job if you really want to do something else.
I don't think it's all that "telling" one way or another. There could be any number of reasons why Mack may-or-may-not be a candidate when that job opens up.

[LA Muskie]

You know, I think I would be ok with that. My only worry would be Archie, like his brother having a roving eye for somewhere else. But being Big East now, maybe that would not be a big worry.
They all have a roving eye for somewhere else. OK, maybe not all of them. But like 95% of them.

[Xavgrad08]

I will be really curious what type of money Georgia Tech is able to pay. Georgia Tech still owes 2 million to Paul Hewitt from when they fired him. That Hewitt contract turned out to be really bad for Georgia Tech. Jeff Borzello tweeted "If they fire Gregory, though, they'll be paying three basketball coaches next year".


The article linked below appeared in the Atlanta Journal Constitution. The writer does not think Georgia Tech is a better job than Xavier and mentions Travis Steele. I think it is much more likely we see Pat Kelsey but who knows. Coaches typically evaluate jobs compared to the other Jobs in the conference. I would put the Georgia Tech job behind Duke, UNC, Syracuse, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Virginia and possibly Wake Forest, NC State. I just don't think Georgia Tech has that great of upside, but I am sure some said that about Virginia. Will be interesting to watch since it is Bobinski doing the hiring.




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[LA Muskie]

I will be really curious what type of money Georgia Tech is able to pay. Georgia Tech still owes 2 million to Paul Hewitt from when they fired him. That Hewitt contract turned out to be really bad for Georgia Tech. Jeff Borzello tweeted "If they fire Gregory, though, they'll be paying three basketball coaches next year".


The article linked below appeared in the Atlanta Journal Constitution. The writer does not think Georgia Tech is a better job than Xavier and mentions Travis Steele. I think it is much more likely we see Pat Kelsey but who knows. Coaches typically evaluate jobs compared to the other Jobs in the conference. I would put the Georgia Tech job behind Duke, UNC, Syracuse, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Virginia and possibly Wake Forest, NC State. I just don't think Georgia Tech has that great of upside, but I am sure some said that about Virginia. Will be interesting to watch since it is Bobinski doing the hiring.




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I very much doubt Bobo would have taken that job if he wasn't assured he had authority to do what he felt needed to be done for both football and basketball.

[xubrew]

There are some coaches that never get fired no matter how much they suck, and when they finally do they end up getting a better job. Most of the time they're getting a better job because the one they're leaving is a complete mess due to them sucking.

Take Paul Hewitt, for instance. He left a Georgia Tech team that was NIT caliber at best, and took over a George Mason team that finished the previous season in the top 25, and returned all their starters. Look at George Mason now. They're so bad, that virtually any div1 job he gets will be better than the one he's currently got.

Frank Haith is another.

And Brian Gregory is another. How the hell did Dayton keep him for that long?? I know everyone hates Dayton, but they play in a conference that predominantly consists of teams that don't have half the resources and support that UD does. They should be destroying that league every year, yet under Gregory, they finished about in the middle or worse most of the time. And....they kept him! Not only that, but Georgia Tech actually wanted him, and he's done bad as anyone with any sense would have expected him to do. And, like UD...they STILL haven't gotten rid of him. I just don't get it. I really don't.

[Xavgrad08]

I very much doubt Bobo would have taken that job if he wasn't assured he had authority to do what he felt needed to be done for both football and basketball.

I have not doubt Bobinski has the authority to fire Gregory. My only question is after the buyout to Gregory and Hewitt does Georgia Tech have the resources to pay big money to the next coach?

I really miss X playing against a Brian Gregory coached team. I used to love watching Dayton do the 3 man weave at the top of the key followed by a bad shot.

[LA Muskie]

I have not doubt Bobinski has the authority to fire Gregory. My only question is after the buyout to Gregory and Hewitt does Georgia Tech have the resources to pay big money to the next coach?

I really miss X playing against a Brian Gregory coached team. I used to love watching Dayton do the 3 man weave at the top of the key followed by a bad shot.
I think those have to go hand-in-hand. If Bobo has discretion to fire but no purse strings to hire, then it's really just lip service to authority. And he's just too smart to get taken in like that.

[THRILLHOUSE]

I think Georgia Tech has a ton of potential. It's in a big city that likes basketball, but has no good basketball.

The Hawks have the 2nd best record in the NBA right now. (otherwise I agree that Georgia Tech is a decent job)

[DC Muskie]

I have not doubt Bobinski has the authority to fire Gregory. My only question is after the buyout to Gregory and Hewitt does Georgia Tech have the resources to pay big money to the next coach?

I really miss X playing against a Brian Gregory coached team. I used to love watching Dayton do the 3 man weave at the top of the key followed by a bad shot.

Wouldn't this situation call for an analysis on the bottom line? Meaning, if keeping Gregory means X, but costs us Y and Y ends up hurting more than paying out X. This would surround financial support of the program from donations to ticket sales, to advertising. So you end up with final number of Z.

Then compare that to hiring someone else. That means you have A expenses. However Y is stabilized so your final number is B. Now B is greater on the plus side than Z.

If you managed to get through that, consider yourself repped. But basically I would think the cost of keeping Gregory would be more than paying him out and hiring someone else.

The Hewitt line has been on the books, so for me that's a known expense and shouldn't be considered, because it's already part of the budget. Bloated sure, but a part.

[xubrew]

I think Georgia Tech's problem is that they are basically in the habit of giving good contracts to bad coaches.

[DC Muskie]

I think Georgia Tech's problem is that they are basically in the habit of giving good contracts to bad coaches.

Does any school really give out bad contracts? I mean other than Gregory and Hewitt.

[xu82]

Living in Atlanta and having gone to a few games there I have a few thoughts:
* The arena is much better after the renovation a couple years ago
* They try like hell to get people in there. After attending a game or two each year, I am bombarded with my own personal ticket representatives calls and emails. It's pretty much a failed effort sine I never really know how I'm supposed to get Barabara or Michael back on the phone if I want to go to a game, so I just go on-line like I always do
* No One, and by that i mean NOBODY AT ALL, has ever made a comment about GT basketball in my presence. That includes a bunch of young and old GT guys on my tennis team, in my neighborhood and at work. The Falcons and every college football team in the southeast are discussed daily, but most seem unaware that GT even has a basketball team. Winning might change that, but I kind of doubt it unless we're talking Final Four. It seemed strange to me at first, but now I'm just used to it.

[Masterofreality]

I think he's a great assistant coach or associate head coach. He's not cut out to be a head coach anywhere in div1. The two roles are not the same.

Well, he did win an NIT!!!!

[xubrew]

Does any school really give out bad contracts? I mean other than Gregory and Hewitt.

I'll rephrase. They stupidly give out a lot of money and a lot of security to bad coaches, which is good for the coaches.

[paulxu]

One word...football.

[JTG]

Does any school really give out bad contracts? I mean other than Gregory and Hewitt.

Indiana Sampson & Crean

[Masterofreality]

Does any school really give out bad contracts? I mean other than Gregory and Hewitt.


Indiana Sampson & Crean

Clemson and DePaul with Oliver Purnell.

[joe titan]

So if you were Bobo & need a new/good coach but are leery of repeating similar errors and cannot break a tight budget, would you call say Mark Schmidt or Pat Kelsey or even Dino Gaudio ?

[waggy]

Kelsey might curl up in the fetal position.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[xubrew]

So if you were Bobo & need a new/good coach but are leery of repeating similar errors and cannot break a tight budget, would you call say Mark Schmidt or Pat Kelsey or even Dino Gaudio ?

I'm thinking more along the lines of Matt Driscol or Jim Les. Jim Les went to a Sweet Sixteen at Bradley, and would have done much better but struggled with their admission standards. He's also completely turned UC Davis around.

Mat Driscol was at Baylor, and he's done really well at North Florida. He's also got a good recruiting foothold in that area.

Dino Gaudio would be interesting, but not my top choice.

But, ALL of them are better than Brian Gregory. By quite a bit, actually.