Syracuse Probe

[Xville]

NCAA is supposed to announce their findings on Syracuse this afternoon. I'm sure that since it is a big name program, it will be a slap on the wrist. One question I have is why did it drag out for ten years?

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/12431690/ncaa-rule-syracuse-orange-investigation

Boeheim is another one that seems like a complete jackwad with the impression that he thinks he is smarter than everyone else.

[LA Muskie]

Boeheim is an absolute and complete jackwad. Anyone who has ever come in contact with him -- or even remotely close to him -- will agree. I don't know anyone in or at Syracuse who has a positive impression of him. Except that he wins basketball games.

[DC Muskie]

9 games for Jimmy B. 12 scholarships stripped.

Seems pretty large. I have no idea what this is was all about, but the 12 scholarships seems huge.

[LA Muskie]

I like that they put some teeth on the suspension by making them ACC games. I'm actually a 'Cuse fan (having grown up in the area) but we all know want a 9-game OOC ban would have meant for them.

[bleedXblue]

How can they hand this down so quickly and the NC thing has been dragging on for year(s)?

[Xville]

How can they hand this down so quickly and the NC thing has been dragging on for year(s)?

I'm guessing that yo are being sarcastic. This "probe" has been going on for ten years. NCAA does nothing quickly. The most ridiculous part of this is not only did Syracuse wait until they had a bad team to self-inflict a postseason ban, but that the NCAA also waited....you can't tell me it took ten years to figure all of this out.

[Milhouse]

12 Scholarships is a TON when you think about how many misses there are in CBB. Probably even more difficult at a place like Syracuse where they've got guys leaving early semi often. And then you really have to wonder how this will affect recruiting. Cannot imagine Boheim sticking around through this whole thing.

Wonder if they look at Archie Miller. Dude works wonders with SIX scholarship players.

[Juice]

I don't think the first year for the scholarship reductions is until 2016-2017.

Edit:
The obvious recruiting impact centers around the cut scholarships. According to the report, Syracuse will lose three scholarships a year “for the 2015-16, 2016-17, 2017-18 and 2018-19 academic years.” The report notes that if the scholarships are accounted for during the 2015-16 year that they can start the reduction in 2016-2017.

http://scouthoops.scout.com/story/1524398-syracuse-investigation-recruiting-impact?s=75&utm_content=buffer827ae&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

[DC Muskie]

Wonder if they look at Archie Miller. Dude works wonders with SIX scholarship players.

I thought they had Mike Hopkins in place to take over?

[LA Muskie]

I thought they had Mike Hopkins in place to take over?

They do.

[EastCoastXman]

This pushes JB down to 6 on The List

1010 Coach K
966 Bobby Knight
879 Dean Smith
877 Jim Calhoun
876 Rupp
858 Jimmy B

Boeheim and Calhoun had gone back and forth though most of their career. Several years ago Calhoun lost about 17 wins in the UConn slap on wrist by NCAA. At that point, I think that Calhoun figured he would never catch Boeheim so he retired. You might see Calhoun come out of retirement now (lol) that he leads Jimmy by almost 20!!!

[ammtd34]

This pushes JB down to 6 on The List

1010 Coach K
966 Bobby Knight
879 Dean Smith
877 Jim Calhoun
876 Rupp
858 Jimmy B

Boeheim and Calhoun had gone back and forth though most of their career. Several years ago Calhoun lost about 17 wins in the UConn slap on wrist by NCAA. At that point, I think that Calhoun figured he would never catch Boeheim so he retired. You might see Calhoun come out of retirement now (lol) that he leads Jimmy by almost 20!!!

I've heard a few people say that K wouldn't retire before Boeheim did. I don't know if that holds any truth, but if it does, could K be closer to retiring now?

[EastCoastXman]

I'm thinking that if Calhoun wants to come back, maybe he can be the "special assistant" to Chris Mack. Like Gene Keady is for Lavin at St John's. He would probably negotiate to get 50% of each win and 0% of each loss.

[xubrew]

Boeheim is an absolute and complete jackwad. Anyone who has ever come in contact with him -- or even remotely close to him -- will agree. I don't know anyone in or at Syracuse who has a positive impression of him. Except that he wins basketball games.

He's a basketball coach. Most of them are complete jackwads.

[Xville]

He's a basketball coach. Most of them are complete jackwads.

Most of us don't know any coach on a personal level so all we really have to go on is public perception...with that said, i think its maybe 25 or so percent that are jackwads...here are the top ten rankings right now...how many of these have a bad public persona? Not many...maybe 2-3? Boeheim just seems like a huge smug little prick anytime someone from the media asks him a question...and really that's all we have to go on.

1 Kentucky (65) 29-0 1,625
2 Virginia 27-1 1,547
3 Duke 26-3 1,501
4 Villanova 27-2 1,417
5 Arizona 26-3 1,338
6 Wisconsin 26-3 1,318
7 Gonzaga 29-2 1,244
8 Wichita St 27-3 1,104
9 Kansas 23-6 1,087
10 Maryland 24-5 1,035

[LA Muskie]

He's a basketball coach. Most of them are complete jackwads.
I think the "mean" in the industry is jackwad. But it's a bell curve, and there are some that are at the extremes on both ends. Boeheim is at the far end of the spectrum -- mainly because he is utterly incapable of engaging with other people. I would be shocked if he doesn't have a clinical personality disorder.

Mack is just to the "good guy" side of the mean. He knows how to turn on the charm when the lights are on him, but if you catch him away from the spotlight he's pretty standoffish. Not necessarily in a malevolent way, but definitely in a "please don't bother me" sort of way.

Miller --despite his fiery nature on the sidelines -- is actually further toward the "nice guy" end of the continuum. Even when the lights were off, he was friendly and engaging. But he definitely had an edge to him.

Gillen was mostly a good guy, although he had his private moments.

We all know where Prosser fell on the spectrum.

I think we probably know where Matta fell on the continuum as well (if you don't here's a hint: at the opposite end of Prosser).

[Xavgrad08]

Will Jim Boheim survive this? I know he is considered a legend at Syracuse but at 70 years old I am guessing this will cause Jim to head to retirement. Will be interesting to see if when Jim leaves Mike Hopkins is still named as successor. Hopkins was an assistant while these violations took place.

[LA Muskie]

Will Jim Boheim survive this? I know he is considered a legend at Syracuse but at 70 years old I am guessing this will cause Jim to head to retirement. Will be interesting to see if when Jim leaves Mike Hopkins is still named as successor. Hopkins was an assistant while these violations took place.

I don't see Boeheim retiring as a result of this. It's not in his DNA. If anything I think he will coach through the scholarship reduction/probation period. I think the more intriguing question is whether Hopkins continues to wait.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Bilas is the worst. He thinks this penalty will "galvanize the fan base". That helps Syracuse how? He also thinks the penalty is "over the top".

[Xville]

Bilas is the worst. He thinks this penalty will "galvanize the fan base". That helps Syracuse how? He also thinks the penalty is "over the top".

Sometimes I like bilas, sometimes he's a complete douchebag. I feel that he talks down to people a lot, and really believes he is smarter than everyone just because he went to duke and has a law degree. I really enjoy herbstreit a lot because he is just as informative as bilas, but doesn't have the douchery that bilas can have at times.

With that said, he's wrong about Syracuse....this is what happens when you break the rules, he may not agree with the rules, and that's fine but while the rules are there, you have to follow them.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Sometimes I like bilas, sometimes he's a complete douchebag. I feel that he talks down to people a lot, and really believes he is smarter than everyone just because he went to duke and has a law degree. I really enjoy herbstreit a lot because he is just as informative as bilas, but doesn't have the douchery that bilas can have at times.

With that said, he's wrong about Syracuse....this is what happens when you break the rules, he may not agree with the rules, and that's fine but while the rules are there, you have to follow them.

Yeah he doesnt give any reasoning for why he thinks it is over the top, he just says that so and its supposed to be gospel. And I agree he talks down to his audience and he definitely thinks his opinion is gospel.

I also agree with Herbstreit being informative without being a douche.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Meanwhile Jay Williams is very likable.

And as this Syracuse discussion continues Bilas is less and less likable. Bilas is essentially saying this is all on the president of the school and Boeheim isnt much at fault because he didnt know.

[Masterofreality]

Bill-ass and ESPN are probably just pissed that one of their "flagships" that they (allegedly) engineered into the ACC will turn to garbage for 4 years.

[LA Muskie]

Bill-ass and ESPN are probably just pissed that one of their "flagships" that they (allegedly) engineered into the ACC will turn to garbage for 4 years.

It's a debate. Half (at least) of the panel is taking a contrary position. They are all on the ESPN payroll.

[Masterofreality]

It's a debate. Half (at least) of the panel is taking a contrary position. They are all on the ESPN payroll.

"Fair and balanced"? I actually avoid watching ESPN as much as possible so I really don't know or care about this very much... Except that it would be funny if two "flagships"- Syracuse and North Carolina get slammed, and the league drops in value.

[DC Muskie]

What's funny about watching the Bilas argument is, coaches who make millions, are in charge of what 13 players, and 7 or so assistants, aren't supposed to be held accountable...why? Because it's too much for them to handle the monitoring system.

And yet, the president, who makes far less and has a wider scope of responsibility is supposed to be held accountable?

That makes zero sense.

[OH.X.MI]

F jay bilas. Hate that guy.

[Masterofreality]

Pretty amazing that in another time, SucKS was basically accused of the same infractions under BeelzeBob- academic fraud (Charles Williams), impermissible benefits (Ruben Patterson) plus others and lack of academic attention (virtually a zero grad rate). Yet because the Borecats paid a fancy law firm huge dinero to plead it down to "Lack of Institutional Control" they only got slapped with a 3 year probation.

Maybe Syracuse should have called Bob "free roof" Goin for a recommendation?

[DC Muskie]

Gamegay is pretty stupid. Jay Williams pick just shows us that.

[muskieindent]

Seth Davis and Clark Kellogg pretty much said the coach is the CEO of the program and needs to know what is going on.I do like Syracuse's excuse for violating the drug policy-too confusing.Nice .Maybe they're all smoking somehing

[Juice]

I don't see Boeheim retiring as a result of this. It's not in his DNA. If anything I think he will coach through the scholarship reduction/probation period. I think the more intriguing question is whether Hopkins continues to wait.

It's in his DNA to be a chicken shit pansy


Jeff Goodman retweeted
Brent Axe ‏@BrentAxeMedia 4m4 minutes ago
Jim Boeheim is not at his postgame presser, Mike Hopkins has come out.

[Juice]

Bill-ass and ESPN are probably just pissed that one of their "flagships" that they (allegedly) engineered into the ACC will turn to garbage for 4 years.

Many of ESPN's anchors and commentators went to Syracuse

[Masterofreality]

This is a good article in the New York Post today.

A funny little blurb about the Xavier/Butler game at the end too.

http://nypost.com/2015/03/14/syracuse-fans-outraged-by-cheating/

[Masterofreality]

Anybody else think that Boeheim sticking around for 3 years hurts recruiting?

Sounds damn selfish to me.

[GoMuskies]

Anybody else think that Boeheim sticking around for 3 years hurts recruiting?

Not if they're committed to the guy already sitting on the bench. Shouldn't be an issue.

[Masterofreality]

Not if they're committed to the guy already sitting on the bench. Shouldn't be an issue.

Not necessarily this year but next and past.

[GoMuskies]

Not necessarily this year but next and past.

I meant as long as Syracuse is committed to Boeheim's assistant. It would likely be relatively smooth from a recruiting standpoint if that is the case.

[drudy23]

I can see Boeheim being very selfish. Always seemed that way anyway.

[waggy]

The guy is at least 3 years past his expiration date now. Just. Go. Away.