Archie staying at Dayton

[OTRMUSKIE]

Man it must be nice to have this verbal commitment from your coach. The best part is that some of there fans if not most actually believe this crap. Sorry Dayton but he is on the first train out of your dump as soon as the season ends. He is a hell of a coach though and as much as I hate Dayton they are very lucky to have him. http://udpride.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27040

never want to be looking forward when you're actually dealing in the trenches. I've said this: Dayton gave me an opportunity when I didn't have any wins or losses. So, to me being able to coach here as long as they want me to, that's what I'm happy about. Coming into this season, higher expectations, more awareness. We've been able to play and win games. We have an amazing fan base. It's crazy. There's a lot of people right now who don't have any of that. I don't think about any other jobs. I never have. We have a good class coming in. I think we can win big here. We're trying to win big, and they want us to win big. They really care about us, from our president to Tim (Wabler), our AD. They really take good care of us, they care about us doing well. To me, it's a great place to coach. I'm not real comfortable with all the outside stuff. I never have been. It's always the question or thing you have to deal with all the time when you're recruiting, or in and around town. 'Hey, please don't go anywhere.' It's kind of like, I've never thought about going anywhere. In this day and age, it's hard with college basketball in general, the coaching carousel, not to get caught up in it every year, not to be thinking about whatever. I've been at so many places. I know the grass isn't always greener. We can do what we need to do here, and we can be really happy. " - Archie Miller

[paulxu]

That sounds like another Miller.

[bobbiemcgee]

and Beaknose.

[waggy]

WGAF. I mean really. Dayton is a former rival, if you can even call them that. But those days are over, and will never return, thankfully.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Well if X was a Buick to his brother what kind of car do you think Archie will call Dayton? I am going with First Edition Dodge Dart or late model Pacer.

[Xville]

I'm sure it's true until a big top 10-15 program comes calling just like it was with sean, and frankly how can you blame them?

[LadyMuskie]

WGAF. I mean really. Dayton is a former rival, if you can even call them that. But those days are over, and will never return, thankfully.

I agree. We're on the eve of our biggest game of the season. Unless he's begging to coach at Xavier, I don't care where he coaches.

[Masterofreality]

I'll put this as delicately as I can.

Who the F$&@#K cares?

[bobbiemcgee]

Well if X was a Buick to his brother what kind of car do you think Archie will call Dayton? I am going with First Edition Dodge Dart or late model Pacer.

Yugo.....which is where archie will be at end of season....they offer big bucks...you go...

[RealDeal]

OTR posting about dayton, what a huge surprise. Get some new material.

[OTRMUSKIE]

I wonder if any top 10-15 programs will be looking for a coach next year. Oh well your right who cares just thought it was interesting seeing that we have been through this same crap so many times.

[DC Muskie]

Archie will be coaching Texas next season.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Archie will be coaching Texas next season.

Is Rick Barnes still there? That would be a nice job to have!

[xu82]

They're always staying!

Until they're gone...

[DC Muskie]

Is Rick Barnes still there? That would be a nice job to have!

Not after the nosedive they have taken this season.

[xubrew]

If Miller leaves, I hope Dayton hires Tim Cluess. Oh my God that would be phenomenal. Those two are a perfect match.

[xavierj]

Archie gets big win on road. That guy can coach. Short handed and undersized and back to the NCAA tourney. Must be nice.

[DC Muskie]

Always nice to see our fans baling out early.

Get home safe everyone!

[Xavgrad08]

Archie will be coaching Texas next season.

Archie would be awesome at Texas. Rick Barnes is one of the most overrated coaches going. He can recruit, but lacks in game coaching.

[Cheesehead]

Archie would be awesome at Texas. Rick Barnes is one of the most overrated coaches going. He can recruit, but lacks in game coaching.

Gee, that sounds familiar

[LA Muskie]

Speaking of Texas/Barnes, they just got completely homered at Kansas as the refs swallowed their whistles on an obvious foul w/ 6 seconds left.

[xubrew]

I seriously doubt Texas gets rid of Rick Barnes.

Alabama may be open after this year. Tennessee might as well depending on what happens to Tyndall.

[X-band '01]

If Miller leaves, I hope Dayton hires Tim Cluess. Oh my God that would be phenomenal. Those two are a perfect match.

If that happens, then I move that the series be resumed. He could take the Jimmy Carter meltdowns to a whole new level.

It would at least be a 180 from the deliberate pace that they've employed in the Archie Miller era.

[sweet16]

And if our train wreck of a season wasn't bad enough I have to wake up to see that Dayton, with no players over 5-4, go on the road to beat VCU.

[GoMuskies]

Archie will be coaching Texas next season.

Gregg Marshall will get the first call. I think he'll take it.

[DC Muskie]

Gregg Marshall will get the first call. I think he'll take it.

You're probably right. I'm just thinking a big basketball program will come calling and he will leave.

[Masterofreality]

And if our train wreck of a season wasn't bad enough I have to wake up to see that Dayton, with no players over 5-4, go on the road to beat VCU.

A VCU team that is horribly overrated, just lost twice to Richmond, and is missing their best player due to injury.

Yeah, THAT VCU.

[Juice]

A VCU team that is horribly overrated, just lost twice to Richmond, and is missing their best player due to injury.

Yeah, THAT VCU.

Don't confuse him with facts

[X-band '01]

With Davidson now leading the A-10 due to tiebreakers, is it conceivable that the regular season champ misses the NCAA if they tank in Brooklyn?

URI is also a co-leader but they've beaten absolutely nobody of note.

[GoMuskies]

Yesterday guaranteed Juan Bid will not visit the A-10 this year, though.

[THRILLHOUSE]

I seriously doubt Texas gets rid of Rick Barnes.



If Texas doesn't make the tourney (which will be the case if they don't beat Baylor and KState this week) then I think they finally can him. Their new AD comes from a basketball background. Attendance has been awful this year (other than their game vs Kansas). So the combination of going from Top 10 to NIT and there being no buzz around the program should be enough for them to try to bring some new life into the program.

Then again, their AD (Steve Patterson) seems pretty clueless. Here is his answer to trying to improve the atmosphere at the UT bball games:

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/21/05b79882b6e1c4f405cb8662e377534e.jpg

But at the end of the day, I think this year's slide will be the final nail in Barnes coffin. I don't think Gregg Marshall or Shaka Smart take the job though. I'll predict that Brad Underwood or Archie Miller will get it. (Yeah, Archie says he's staying at UD. But they won't be able to match the cash that Texas can throw at him. And I'm sure Sean would talk him into leaving for the bigger program. Plus, Austin >>>>>>>>>> Dayton).

If Texas doesn't dump Barnes, then it really is the best job in college bball, since obviously you can continually underachieve, get paid over 2 million a year and never fear for your job.

[OTRMUSKIE]

DJ Mel looks like he has Burger King hands and an inflated head. The woman to his right would probably agree that DJ Mel was a turrible idea.

[BandAid]

I think an in-house dj is a cool idea. Especially if it's one of the students (and they're good). I mean, most of the time we just listen to an mp3 pumped through the speakers anyway.

[DC Muskie]

I seriously doubt Texas gets rid of Rick Barnes.

Alabama may be open after this year. Tennessee might as well depending on what happens to Tyndall.

Why do you think Texas keeps Barnes? They have taken a serious nosedive since the beginning of the year, and last year he was considered on the hot seat. Just because they don't care about basketball, doesn't mean that Texas won't make a change, especially when college basketball in general is terrible and 68 teams make the tournament. They won't sit around and watch A&M sneak in and SMU continue to get better as long as Brown is there.

Alabama and Tennessee are not the same job as Texas. The Big 12 would be a great conference to coach in.

[sweet16]

A VCU team that is horribly overrated, just lost twice to Richmond, and is missing their best player due to injury.

Yeah, THAT VCU.

It's a road win against a quality conference foe by a depleted squad........AM is a good coach. But keep chanting to yourself........PAY THE MAN! Gawd you're such a doofus.

[THRILLHOUSE]

I think an in-house dj is a cool idea. Especially if it's one of the students (and they're good). I mean, most of the time we just listen to an mp3 pumped through the speakers anyway.

It's not a student, it's actually a "professional" dj that Texas hired. And trust me, it's awful. Went to their game vs. Stanford this year. At the under 4 media timeout of the 2nd half, they actually invite fans to go onto the court and dance to whatever awfulness DJ Mel is playing. And that case it was a tie game. Tie game, less than 4 minutes left, vs a Pac 12 team = dance party on the court. Most of the fans there have the same look on their face as that older lady does in the pic I posted.

[Juice]

It's a road win against a quality conference foe by a depleted squad........AM is a good coach. But keep chanting to yourself........PAY THE MAN! Gawd you're such a doofus.

If you seriously think VCU is the same team without Briante Weber you might be the doofus. Weber has been out the last 8 games and VCU has gone 4 and 4 with losses to St. Bonaventure, Lasalle, Richmond, and UD.

I do agree that Archie is a good coach but UD's win yesterday is not even close to the same as beating a VCU earlier in the season.

[Masterofreality]

If you seriously think VCU is the same team without Briante Weber you might be the doofus. Weber has been out the last 8 games and VCU has gone 4 and 4 with losses to St. Bonaventure, Lasalle, Richmond, and UD.....

.....and Richmond again. VCU is actually 4-5 in their last 9 games. But don't let facts get in the way of your insipid name calling Sweet. They lost to Villanova by 24 at a neutral location and that was with Weber. They also lost to Virginia by 17 in a totally non competitive game. They have barely beaten one ranked team- Northern Iowa- at home- in Double OT - all of those games with Weber. Xavier has many better wins than that

Yeah, at this juncture VCU is vastly overrated. Period. Just keep spreading all the venom you want, though Sweet. No one will care.

[JEHARDI]

It's a road win against a quality conference foe by a depleted squad........AM is a good coach. But keep chanting to yourself........PAY THE MAN! Gawd you're such a doofus.

Yes, Richmond is a depleted squad who is having trouble beating anyone right now.

[xubrew]

Why do you think Texas keeps Barnes? They have taken a serious nosedive since the beginning of the year, and last year he was considered on the hot seat. Just because they don't care about basketball, doesn't mean that Texas won't make a change, especially when college basketball in general is terrible and 68 teams make the tournament. They won't sit around and watch A&M sneak in and SMU continue to get better as long as Brown is there.

Alabama and Tennessee are not the same job as Texas. The Big 12 would be a great conference to coach in.

The key word here is "THINK." I really don't know, but I get the impression the administrators in the athletic department really like him and won't get rid of him without giving him another year. I'm not saying it wouldn't make sense to get rid of him. I'm just saying I don't think they will.

[THRILLHOUSE]

The key word here is "THINK." I really don't know, but I get the impression the administrators in the athletic department really like him and won't get rid of him without giving him another year. I'm not saying it wouldn't make sense to get rid of him. I'm just saying I don't think they will.

New administration though. Athletic Director is in his 2nd year on the job, and UT is getting a new President later this year. So Barnes won't have as many allies as he once had.

[xubrew]

New administration though. Athletic Director is in his 2nd year on the job, and UT is getting a new President later this year. So Barnes won't have as many allies as he once had.

Good point. We'll see.

[Muskie]

Good point. We'll see.
Has Texas had a good season since 2004 (I haven't bothered to look)? Isn't that the year we sent them packing on the way to the Elite 8? He had Durant for one season and D.J. Augestine for a few. But I don't think he's been a world beater in Texas for a good ten years now.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Has Texas had a good season since 2004 (I haven't bothered to look)? Isn't that the year we sent them packing on the way to the Elite 8? He had Durant for one season and D.J. Augestine for a few. But I don't think he's been a world beater in Texas for a good ten years now.

They went to the Elite 8 in 07-08 but that was the only time they got to at least the Sweet 16 since we beat them in '04.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Rick Barnes has made 15 of 16 tournaments since he has been at Texas he just has only done damage in a few of them. If they miss this year it will be 15 of 17.

[Muskie]

They went to the Elite 8 in 07-08 but that was the only time they got to at least the Sweet 16 since we beat them in '04.
Thanks for looking. I'm surprised Texas would "settle" for that kind of history. They generally think they are a gift to the sports world. (I'm not knocking 15 of 16 NCAA appearances either).

[THRILLHOUSE]

Has Texas had a good season since 2004 (I haven't bothered to look)? Isn't that the year we sent them packing on the way to the Elite 8? He had Durant for one season and D.J. Augestine for a few. But I don't think he's been a world beater in Texas for a good ten years now.

What DWest Po-z said. Plus, they were also #1 in the country at one point in the 2009-10 season. Then completely fell apart in Big 12 play and ended up losing in the 1st round of the NCAA tourney to Wake Forrest. The year he had Kevin Durant and DJ Augustine, he lost in the 2nd round. If you look at the talent Barnes has had at Texas, crazy that he has only made one Final Four.

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/599415/10.gif

[D-West & PO-Z]

Yeah he really should have done more to this point in his career within the tournament given the talent he has had but not many programs have made 15 of the last 16 tournaments so he does have that going for him. But like Muskie said I am surprised Texas would settle for just getting in. I think every 4-6 years he makes a good run that buys him some time as they lose in the first or second rd most years.

[xubrew]

Yeah he really should have done more to this point in his career within the tournament given the talent he has had but not many programs have made 15 of the last 16 tournaments so he does have that going for him. But like Muskie said I am surprised Texas would settle for just getting in. I think every 4-6 years he makes a good run that buys him some time as they lose in the first or second rd most years.

The administration has always liked him. Kentucky wanted to hire him after Tubby Smith left, and he said he wasn't even interested in interviewing.

Rick Barnes is not in my list of top ten coaches, but he's not in my list of top ten worst coaches either. When separating coaches into categories, I would definitely put him in the "Good" category. Could Texas do better?? Probably. But, the guy has not been a failure, yet so many people seem to talk as though he were.

But, as someone else said with SMU now being good, and Texas A&M seemingly one year away from being really good as well, and Baylor being VERY good, Texas may be getting anxious.

I never thought they'd get rid of him even if he missed the tournament, but the more I think about it, the more I could see them doing it. It is a new admin, interest is down, and interest in other programs around the state is way up.

.....and knowing Texas they'll go after Larry Brown.

[Xville]

Yeah he really should have done more to this point in his career within the tournament given the talent he has had but not many programs have made 15 of the last 16 tournaments so he does have that going for him. But like Muskie said I am surprised Texas would settle for just getting in. I think every 4-6 years he makes a good run that buys him some time as they lose in the first or second rd most years.

I wonder how much Texas really cares about basketball? From my outside perspective, it seems to me that the administration would be happy just getting in with the occasional run here and there. I could be way off base.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I wonder how much Texas really cares about basketball? From my outside perspective, it seems to me that the administration would be happy just getting in with the occasional run here and there. I could be way off base.

Yeah I dont really have any idea how important it is to them. Obviously football is king. Not sure if they care about doing more than just being relevant and getting in with basketball.

[xubrew]

I wonder how much Texas really cares about basketball? From my outside perspective, it seems to me that the administration would be happy just getting in with the occasional run here and there. I could be way off base.

They actually care quite a bit.

[THRILLHOUSE]

I wonder how much Texas really cares about basketball? From my outside perspective, it seems to me that the administration would be happy just getting in with the occasional run here and there. I could be way off base.

I can provide some 'inside' info on that. It's certainly 2nd fiddle to football, but wouldn't go as far as to say they "don't care" about basketball. I think at this point the fanbase has been beaten down so much by Barnes underachieving, that the passion for basketball for the fanbase isn't there anymore. Will they ever care as much about bball as they do football? No. But this season has been about as bad as I've seen it in my time in Austin, and that includes their CBI season a couple of years ago.

Not all of that is Barnes fault though, the "improvements" that the administration has done to the game day experience (e.g. the DJ) have been terribly received and have turned off a lot of fans from going to games. Also their arena is seriously outdated and is surrounded by construction of their new medical school campus.

15 out of 16 tournaments is definitely an accomplishment, but with the talent Barnes has brought in it's pretty easy to make the tournament every year. When you have guys like Kevin Durant, Lamarcus Aldridge, Tristan Thompson, DJ Augustin, etc. the goal should be better than just making the tournament. I actually thought Barnes did a pretty good job with last years team. However he lost zero players from last year and brought in the #2 recruit in the country. If he doesn't make the tourney this year, then he deserves to be fired even if it's only the 2nd time he's ever missed the tourney at Texas.

[Masterofreality]

It's a road win against a quality conference foe by a depleted squad........AM is a good coach. But keep chanting to yourself........PAY THE MAN! Gawd you're such a doofus.


.....and Richmond again. VCU is actually 4-5 in their last 9 games. But don't let facts get in the way of your insipid name calling Sweet. They lost to Villanova by 24 at a neutral location and that was with Weber. They also lost to Virginia by 17 in a totally non competitive game. They have barely beaten one ranked team- Northern Iowa- at home- in Double OT - all of those games with Weber. Xavier has many better wins than that

Yeah, at this juncture VCU is vastly overrated. Period. Just keep spreading all the venom you want, though Sweet. No one will care.

Davidson 82- VCU 55. At this juncture VCU is vastly overrated....and who's the doofus?

[Juice]

Davidson 82- VCU 55. At this juncture VCU is vastly overrated....and who's the doofus?


Brian Snow @BSnowScout · 13h 13 hours ago
If this result holds up, at what point in time do we start paying attention to VCU's post Briante Weber resume?


Brian Snow @BSnowScout · 13h 13 hours ago
I think it is very interesting thing to watch. Committee knocked out LSU in '04 when Jaime Lloreda got injured and team fell apart

I find these points from Brian very interesting.

[xubrew]

I don't think VCU is going past the round of 64, but I do think they're in the field. I believe Davidson is unbeaten at home, so the loss really doesn't hurt them that much. LSU was losing to crap teams down the stretch back in 04.

I would say we need to worry about us because we're the ones that are either going to play our way in or out regardless of what the teams in the A10 are doing, but then I keep forgetting that it's a message board and it's supposed to be fun, so by all means lets harp on how much the A10 sucks!

[DC Muskie]

The A10 sucks, but only when we are not in it!

[GoMuskies]

The A10 sucks, but only when we are not in it!

No, the A-10 retroactively sucked even when we were in it, and none of our accomplishments from that era mean anything, and this Xavier team would smoke any other Xavier team in the history of ever (except for last year's team...because that was a Big East Xavier team).

[xubrew]

The A10 sucks, but only when we are not in it!

My problem with the A10 wasn't the quality of the teams. (well, most of them). It was the league office. The still have the shittiest TV deal imaginable. The MVC gets more than twice as much money per school, and has a greater range of exposure. Nothing against the Missouri Valley, but rarely is it as good as the A10. Yet, they make more than twice the money.

Anyway, back to how much the A10 sucks now that we're not in it....

[RealDeal]

No, the A-10 retroactively sucked even when we were in it, and none of our accomplishments from that era mean anything, and this Xavier team would smoke any other Xavier team in the history of ever (except for last year's team...because that was a Big East Xavier team).

Did we even give athletic scholarships when we were in that shithole league?

[LA Muskie]

No, the A-10 retroactively sucked even when we were in it, and none of our accomplishments from that era mean anything, and this Xavier team would smoke any other Xavier team in the history of ever (except for last year's team...because that was a Big East Xavier team).

But didn't we play last year with A10 players?

[LadyMuskie]

No, the A-10 retroactively sucked even when we were in it, and none of our accomplishments from that era mean anything, and this Xavier team would smoke any other Xavier team in the history of ever (except for last year's team...because that was a Big East Xavier team).

This is almost entirely correct, except you really need to stop referring to that "league" by name. It is so unworthy of us that we shall not even refer to its proper name. Too much respect! Going forward, please call it "that league" or The League That Shall Not Be Named otherwise we may get some of its gross on us.