Making Freshmen ineligible,

[Always Learning]

http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=12349646


This is a story I came across via my son about how The Big Ten, ACC, SEC, and Pac 12 (the new NCAA Power structure)
is "mulling over" making Freshmen ineligible, like in the days back when.

"Their reasons" are to get Freshmen more school oriented while critics are saying it is meant to be a one and done rule.

I don't think it will happen, but ....

[D-West & PO-Z]

http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=12349646


This is a story I came across via my son about how The Big Ten, ACC, SEC, and Pac 12 (the new NCAA Power structure)
is "mulling over" making Freshmen ineligible, like in the days back when.

"Their reasons" are to get Freshmen more school oriented while critics are saying it is meant to be a one and done rule.

I don't think it will happen, but ....

If this happens, which I dont think it will, it has ZERO to do with schooling and nobody is dumb enough to believe that.

[X-Fan]

http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=12349646

Sorry I don't know how to post link that you can just click on, but whatever....

This is a story I came across via my son about how The Big Ten, ACC, SEC, and Pac 12 (the new NCAA Power structure)
is "mulling over" making Freshmen ineligible, like in the days back when.

"Their reasons" are to get Freshmen more school oriented while critics are saying it is meant to be a one and done rule.

I don't think it will happen, but ....
I saw this posted somewhere as well. Kind of a "head scratcher", and to me comes off as a bunch of people proposing something to make it look like they actually care about the players getting an education.

I don't like the idea at all. X has had countless Freshmen make significant contributions, namely: David West, Romain Sato, Dante Jackson, Tu, Semaj, and now Trevon and JP. There's a reason they did away with the Freshman rule in the first place. With taking up sports earlier, the AAU circuit, etc... these guys are ready to play right away. Even if they aren't, what better way to develop than on the court.

[Chalmers0]

Zero chance it happens. Especially since if the power conferences made this rule exist it would be too great of an advantage for conferences like the Big East and A10 who wouldn't have to adhere to it.

[94GRAD]

There is no way the Power 5 do this. How many players would sit out a year when they can play immediately in the other conferences.

[XU '11]

There is no way the Power 5 do this. How many players would sit out a year when they can play immediately in the other conferences.

"The rules surrounding freshmen ineligibility don't fall within the areas of autonomy, which means either conferences choose to adopt the policy on their own or the legislation is voted on by the entire division," the NCAA said in a statement issued Friday.

...from the article.

[Lamont Sanford]

This would just force top kids to play overseas their one year before being eligible for the NBA Draft. Dumb rule.

[Masterofreality]

Allow me to tell you where that idea is going.......





NOwhere

[xubrew]

This does not fall under the category of autonomy so if the rule is changed it changes for everyone.

The standards for initial eligibility are about to change, and the likely result is that we'll have more freshman who are ineligible to play their first year, but can receive a scholarship and still play four years after their first year. In other words, if you don't meet certain initial eligibility, you basically have to burn your redshirt year your first year, but after that you can still play four years.

This proposed rule change is merely an attempt to side step that. If the big schools can't get their big time freshmen players eligible immediately, then damnit, no one else should be able to get their freshmen eligible either!!

It's a complete crock. The stricter initial eligibility standards presumably means that incoming freshman who are ready to handle being a student and an athlete can do so right away, and those that aren't now have a year to adjust. So, why make all freshmen ineligible?? They don't want schools who recruit freshmen that can meet the new standards to have a competitive advantage. Simple as that.

[X-Fan]

This does not fall under the category of autonomy so if the rule is changed it changes for everyone.

The standards for initial eligibility are about to change, and the likely result is that we'll have more freshman who are ineligible to play their first year, but can receive a scholarship and still play four years after their first year. In other words, if you don't meet certain initial eligibility, you basically have to burn your redshirt year your first year, but after that you can still play four years.

This proposed rule change is merely an attempt to side step that. If the big schools can't get their big time freshmen players eligible immediately, then damnit, no one else should be able to get their freshmen eligible either!!

It's a complete crock. The stricter initial eligibility standards presumably means that incoming freshman who are ready to handle being a student and an athlete can do so right away, and those that aren't now have a year to adjust. So, why make all freshmen ineligible?? They don't want schools who recruit freshmen that can meet the new standards to have a competitive advantage. Simple as that.
For some reason this didn't come to me initially, is this also a way for ncaab to undercut Coach Cal? This basically blows away his current model.

[xu82]

For some reason this didn't come to me initially, is this also a way for ncaab to undercut Coach Cal? This basically blows away his current model.

That would be the only redeeming aspect...

[xubrew]

Cal will probably come out in support of it. That's what he always does when a decision is made that appears to work against him. He'll basically have a JV team, and he'll find some loophole where they're bringing in all these foreign all star teams to play against his freshmen JV team, and the games will be broadcast all over the world.

I don't like him, but he's smart, and he has a tendency to turn the tables when you think something is happening to shut him down.

[BandAid]

This would be a great gig for a kid who isn't good enough to play professionally and puts an emphasis on education - free year of grad school.

How would this affect the 5th year transfer rule? It would be open season for recruiting fourth-year graduating seniors, all of which have a year of eligibility left.

Ultimately, this would be a sucky thing to do.

You wanna remove the one-and-done problem? Allow kids who enter the draft as underclassmen to return to school if they go undrafted, but make it so they are ineligible to re-enter the draft until the end of what would be their senior year. That way the kids who made the mistake of entering too early can return to the college ranks, their presence as upper classmen improves the college game, and they would be further blocked from playing in the Association until they're 22 (so the Association has more time to evaluate them).

I think making it some variation of baseball's setup is the best scenario.

[xubrew]

This would be a great gig for a kid who isn't good enough to play professionally and puts an emphasis on education - free year of grad school.

How would this affect the 5th year transfer rule? It would be open season for recruiting fourth-year graduating seniors, all of which have a year of eligibility left.

Ultimately, this would be a sucky thing to do.

You wanna remove the one-and-done problem? Allow kids who enter the draft as underclassmen to return to school if they go undrafted, but make it so they are ineligible to re-enter the draft until the end of what would be their senior year. That way the kids who made the mistake of entering too early can return to the college ranks, their presence as upper classmen improves the college game, and they would be further blocked from playing in the Association until they're 22 (so the Association has more time to evaluate them).

I think making it some variation of baseball's setup is the best scenario.

That would have to be an NBA rule, not an NCAA rule.

If you enter the draft, don't hire an agent, and go undrafted, you can return to college. You almost never see it, but it is within the rules. It's just that the NBA only allows players to enter the draft once.

[xu82]

We have something called a red shirt year now for those who need it. Don't punish those who don't. They have enough stupid rules now... no need to expand the list.

[D-West & PO-Z]

That would have to be an NBA rule, not an NCAA rule.

If you enter the draft, don't hire an agent, and go undrafted, you can return to college. You almost never see it, but it is within the rules. It's just that the NBA only allows players to enter the draft once.

Really? I didnt know that. Why would we not see this more? Are agents that important to hire before the draft?

[xu82]

But getting drafted in the second round doesn't always mean guaranteed money. The more they try to "fix" it, the worse it will probably get...

[LA Muskie]

For some reason this didn't come to me initially, is this also a way for ncaab to undercut Coach Cal? This basically blows away his current model.

It's definitely an affront to the one-and-done. The Ohio State AD said as much.

[LA Muskie]

That would have to be an NBA rule, not an NCAA rule.

If you enter the draft, don't hire an agent, and go undrafted, you can return to college. You almost never see it, but it is within the rules. It's just that the NBA only allows players to enter the draft once.

I thought to be eligible to return you had to BOTH (i) not hire an agent AND (ii) withdraw from the draft by an NCAA-imposed deadline (a deadline that, remarkably, was different -- ie, much earlier -- than the NBA's deadline by which to declare/withdraw).

[D-West & PO-Z]

I thought to be eligible to return you had to BOTH (i) not hire an agent AND (ii) withdraw from the draft by an NCAA-imposed deadline (a deadline that, remarkably, was different -- ie, much earlier -- than the NBA's deadline by which to declare/withdraw).

This is what I thought.

[xubrew]

When I say this is rare, I only know of one case where it happened, and it was Randolph Morris, who coincidentally played for Kentucky. He entered the draft after his freshman year, but went undrafted. But, since he did not hire an agent, he was allowed to return to school, and did.

What's crazy is that once the season was over, he was basically a free agent because he had already entered the draft. After Kentucky was eliminated from the NCAA Tournament in 2007, he signed with the Knicks and began playing for them that same month.

I believe this not only makes him one of the few people to reenter school after declaring for the draft and not withdrawing, but also one of the few people, perhaps the only one, to play both college and pro basketball in the same month.

[D-West & PO-Z]

When I say this is rare, I only know of one case where it happened, and it was Randolph Morris, who coincidentally played for Kentucky. He entered the draft after his freshman year, but went undrafted. But, since he did not hire an agent, he was allowed to return to school, and did.

What's crazy is that once the season was over, he was basically a free agent because he had already entered the draft. After Kentucky was eliminated from the NCAA Tournament in 2007, he signed with the Knicks and began playing for them that same month.

I believe this not only makes him one of the few people to reenter school after declaring for the draft and not withdrawing, but also one of the few people, perhaps the only one, to play both college and pro basketball in the same month.

I do remember this. As I am a Knicks fan I remember them signing him that same week that they lost in the tourney.

[LA Muskie]

It only happened once (or rarely) because the NCAA changed the rule.

Here is the NCAA's (horribly convoluted) summary of the rule currently in effect: http://www.ncaa.org/remaining-eligible-professional-draft-inquiries. (It obviously has not been updated in a while; the dates referenced appear to be 2012 dates.)

[xubrew]

It only happened once (or rarely) because the NCAA changed the rule.

Here is the NCAA's (horribly convoluted) summary of the rule currently in effect: http://www.ncaa.org/remaining-eligible-professional-draft-inquiries. (It obviously has not been updated in a while; the dates referenced appear to be 2012 dates.)

Well, so they did. I guess I learn something new every day.