XAVIER vs BUTLER

[JEHARDI]

[QUOTE=aurorix2;488384]Refs were bad for both teams but Butlers best player who hasn't been in foul trouble all year is on the bench.. Very simple on Xavier s part . Pay the officials to get our best player out of the game. After all its the only way Xavier is playing in the big dance. Mack getting ted was only apart of the game.[/

Someone else needs to step up then, lack of depth hurt you as bad or more than the refs as well as some inspired D by X.

[LadyMuskie]

Refs were bad for both teams but Butlers best player who hasn't been in foul trouble all year is on the bench.. Very simple on Xavier s part . Pay the officials to get our best player out of the game. After all its the only way Xavier is playing in the big dance. Mack getting ted was only apart of the game.

1650 Nice hat, genius.

[Strange Brew]

Refs were bad for both teams but Butlers best player who hasn't been in foul trouble all year is on the bench.. Very simple on Xavier s part . Pay the officials to get our best player out of the game. After all its the only way Xavier is playing in the big dance. Mack getting ted was only apart of the game.

Paying the refs? Hahahaha. You are so Butler. Keep them coming, this is great.

[DC Muskie]

What's ted?

[Musketeer_15]

Refs were bad for both teams but Butlers best player who hasn't been in foul trouble all year is on the bench.. Very simple on Xavier s part . Pay the officials to get our best player out of the game. After all its the only way Xavier is playing in the big dance. Mack getting ted was only apart of the game.

Your best player committed one of the dumbest fouls when he picked up his third in the first half. If he doesn't pick up that foul then he goes into the half with two fouls and it could have been a different story. Butler's offense is completely shot without Dunham and Chrabs on the court. You can't blame the refs for the loss, they called many fouls against Xavier in the post that were garbage. Both teams committed 17 fouls and took 16 FTs, your argument is irrelevant.

[LadyMuskie]

What's ted?

Shhh. That's the name of the ref we paid off. Don't draw attention to it lest everyone learn of our nefarious deeds!

[paulxu]

You can badmouth the Dawgs all you want but when you get the life sucked out of you by the refs, unless you have played the game, you shouldn't whine. Real class by Xavier cheering overrated.


Both teams committed 17 fouls and took 16 FTs, your argument is irrelevant.

One of these things is not like the other.

[LadyMuskie]

One of these things is not like the other.

Let me guess. One post is based in reality and the other is nothing but semi-coherent ramblings of a tinfoil hat wearing moron?

[Caveat]

Was it full? The whole arena that is.

Looked like a great crowd, especially in light of the weather.

Building was LOUD too. Lot of energy from the fans and you could tell the players were loving it.

[BMoreX]

Believe that is 6-2 in the last 8 vs Butler. Can anyone confirm?

[bjf123]

Refs were bad for both teams but Butlers best player who hasn't been in foul trouble all year is on the bench.. Very simple on Xavier s part . Pay the officials to get our best player out of the game. After all its the only way Xavier is playing in the big dance. Mack getting ted was only apart of the game.

And our starting PG and Center spent time on the bench with foul trouble. Shit happens.


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[xukeith]

3rd foul on their best player in 1st half was a very bad call but I will take it. XU's 3 pointers were too much. We pass the ball well.
Whats with Dee having 0 assists?

[bobbiemcgee]

And vdump goes down at Dookcane. a pretty good Saturday!

Well, what did you expect? They were playing a tough 250 Rpi team.

[BMoreX]

We won by 17 and Butler fans are complaining about the officiating.

[xuwin]

We won by 17 and Butler fans are complaining about the officiating.

Sounds like X fans.

[RealDeal]

Sounds like X fans.

Where are the X fans who are going to other teams boards to complain about the officials after getting rolled? Can you give me a link?

[Muskied]

I love the double standard Butler fans are allowed to roll with.

Butler over comes adversity and always plays tough because it's "The Butler Way", until they don't, and then it's someone else's fault.

Xavier fan's are classless, and here are several examples of why Butler is so much better.

Hippocratic much?

[kyxu]

Xavier fan's are classless, and here are several examples of why Butler is so much better.

Hippocratic much?

No offense, but I cringed reading your last two sentences.

It's Xavier "fans" not "fan's" as there's no possessive in that sentence, and it's "hypocritical" not "hippocratic." I don't think Butler fans are taking a physician's oath of ethics in this instance.

[Titanxman04]

I love how we're "classless" when we chant "over-rated!" I wanted the student section to chant that at them for the final four minutes. I would have laughed at that. Of course it sucks to hear that chant at your team, but get over it. High schools do it. If you can't take a whoopin' and all that comes with it, get out of the game....or root for UK.

For the most part though, the board over there isn't terrible. Hell, even our Butler "friend" on here got told off for whining about the officials on BUHoops.

[Titanxman04]

No offense, but I cringed reading your last two sentences.

It's Xavier "fans" not "fan's" as there's no possessive in that sentence, and it's "hypocritical" not "hippocratic." I don't think Butler fans are taking a physician's oath of ethics in this instance.

I could see that being an auto-correct from posting on your phone though...

[Muskied]

I could see that being an auto-correct from posting on your phone though...

correct. not optimal. oh well, you smell what I'm cooking.

[Titanxman04]

correct. not optimal. oh well, you smell what I'm cooking.

Is it steak? Because my fat ass would love one right now...

[xu82]

Looked like a great crowd, especially in light of the weather.

Building was LOUD too. Lot of energy from the fans and you could tell the players were loving it.

I was visiting at a friends and we flipped to Louisville game at commercials. Even my friend was commenting on how much more energy there was at Cintas than Louisville. No contest. That was nice!

[smileyy]

I dunno...I mean, it is pretty hard to win the game when there are officials on the floor, and you don't hold a lead for even a single second of the game.

Though one of those two factors might be more important than the other.

[Masterofreality]

You can badmouth the Dawgs all you want but when you get the life sucked out of you by the refs, unless you have played the game, you shouldn't whine. Real class by Xavier cheering overrated.

How about the fact that your little choir boys finally got caught with their hands in the cookie jar- the way they should every time they try that sly, cheap garbage? Mouthbreather Dunham shoves off every time when he is closely guarded because he isn't quick enough to do it without it. He got called for it, just like he should every time. Braniac also should have been smart enough to stay away from a guy who had him clearly beat to the hoop.

By the way. I thought he was supposed to be All League? When, exactly will he show some of that 4 star "talent" against Xavier, because I've sure never seen it.

Both teams got called for the same number of fouls. Your comments are typical loser sour grapes.

[aurorix2]

Abell was hand checking Kellen and playing him physical as all hell....yet Kellen couldn't get a call. Those refs called like 20 fouls in that game before Abell got rung up for one. Total BS

[aurorix2]

And Farr practically punched Dunham on that foul. We could call that a rake of the face, but we could also call it a sly punch.

[Strange Brew]

And Farr practically punched Dunham on that foul. We could call that a rake of the face, but we could also call it a sly punch.

Hahahahahahahaha. Ha. Ha.

At least the clock didn't stop at an opportune time. Not that it would've helped the dawgs today.

[Porkopolis]

Wait, did we just beat Dayton? Because that is what some of these Butler fans sound like. Blaming the refs after a close game, sure. Blaming them after a first rate beat down, not so much.

[DC Muskie]

Abell was hand checking Kellen and playing him physical as all hell....yet Kellen couldn't get a call. Those refs called like 20 fouls in that game before Abell got rung up for one. Total BS


And Farr practically punched Dunham on that foul. We could call that a rake of the face, but we could also call it a sly punch.

Awwww.

[xudash]

And Farr practically punched Dunham on that foul. We could call that a rake of the face, but we could also call it a sly punch.

You had your ass handed to you today, even though the refs enabled Butler to pull back in the first half. The refs were so bad against Xavier in the first half that they were booed off the floor at the end of the first half. Butler probably would have been pummeled by 30 if the refs had a clue. Xavier imposed its will today, and no amount of Roosevelt Jones driving was going to change that, especially given that he was stuffed often today.

Shut up and go home, and learn to lose badly with a little class. Or are you the Butler Way?

[Masterofreality]

Abell was hand checking Kellen and playing him physical as all hell....yet Kellen couldn't get a call. Those refs called like 20 fouls in that game before Abell got rung up for one. Total BS

You know this isn't hayseed basketball in a barn where all guys do is just shoot three pointers, right? Yeah, guys get above board "physicalled up" and defenders don't resort to cute little tricks.

Your Mouthbreathing Pretty Boy got owned by Xavier....again and the rest of your team fell apart.

Nice effort.

[XUBob]

The above is why Butler is becoming the new Dayton for me. I'd like to root for them when they don't play X but it's really hard. Late second half I'm in the restroom guy in a Butler jersey comes in and says good game you guys enjoy your run in the NIT--- what an ass. MOR you are correct about Dunham and I'll go as far to say Jones plays like a runaway bull but somehow never gets called. They win sometimes I can't figure out why-- truly a whole is greater than the sum it it's parts team but they need to enjoy it. You got beat today please don't whine.

[Caveat]

Abell was hand checking Kellen and playing him physical as all hell....yet Kellen couldn't get a call. Those refs called like 20 fouls in that game before Abell got rung up for one. Total BS

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[danaandvictory]

It is absolutely hysterical that a Butler fan could possibly complain about rough play. Everything that Butler accomplished under Stevens was underpinned by the "they can't call them all" defensive philosophy. There has never been a dirtier defensive team than Butler's back-to-back finalists.

[Masterofreality]

It is absolutely hysterical that a Butler fan could possibly complain about rough play. Everything that Butler accomplished under Stevens was underpinned by the "they can't call them all" defensive philosophy. There has never been a dirtier defensive team than Butler's back-to-back finalists.

And THIS is the definition of "The Butler Way".

Although I might suggest that VCU is right There as to dirty defensive team rankings.

[X-band '01]

Even though Butler was more physical in the 1st meeting in Indy, Xavier managed to keep that game competitive for at least 30 minutes.

Now the tables were turned and Butler only managed to hang around for a half (and even that's debatable). But by all means, keep pouting that the stripes were the reason that Butler was neutralized for the afternoon.

Good luck against Providence and Georgetown, BTW. Neither of those games are gimmes for the Butler Way.

[X-band '01]

It is absolutely hysterical that a Butler fan could possibly complain about rough play. Everything that Butler accomplished under Stevens was underpinned by the "they can't call them all" defensive philosophy. There has never been a dirtier defensive team than Butler's back-to-back finalists.

I thought that was VCU/havoc's MO on defense.

[MADXSTER]

I would say that the Tas was about 90 - 95% full. I was pleasantly surprised. Great crowd. Great student section. Great noise. The refs were bad both ways. Very bad.

[xu82]

I would say that the Tas was about 90 - 95% full. I was pleasantly surprised. Great crowd. Great student section. Great noise. The refs were bad both ways. Very bad.

Yeah, great noise. I was pissed at the refs until I realized they were just bad, not unfair. Phantom calls on both ends.

[bleedXblue]

Refs were awful today. Both ways. Especially in the first half. The clown claiming Butler lost b/c Dunham picked up his 3rd early forgot to mention we had 3 guys with 2 fouls in the first half. They were a little better in the second half, but that's not saying much.

[Masterofreality]

[/B]

Yeah, great noise. I was pissed at the refs until I realized they were just bad, not unfair. Phantom calls on both ends.

As soon as I saw Wally Rutecki as the Lead Official today, I immediately thought- "Uh, oh, A10".....and that was the quality of officiating.

That being said, any Butler sour grapes is BS. The refs were abjectly horrific in each direction. Anybody who claims Mouthbreather Dunham was screwed by the refs should remember the 6 step stroll to the basket that he was allowed and the foul as well.

[XU Cowbell Kid]

Those two losses hurt us a lot less than Auburn and Creighton.

I agree with you completely at a human level. That being said, according to computer numbers, that isn't necessarily the case. Losing to LBSU hurt us more than I anticipated. I love this website... you can see how each team factors into Xavier's RPI calculation. http://www.rpiforecast.com/teams/Xavier.html

Going strictly by RPI, the top 6 worst things we've done all season (at this point in time) are:

1) Beat Missouri
2) Split with LBSU
3) Beat IUPUI
4) Split with Depaul
5) Loss to Creighton
6) Loss to Auburn

[XU Cowbell Kid]

Go ahead and blame the refs, that's what losers do. Also the announcers got it wrong, the student section was cheering, "Father Graham".

It annoyed me when the announcers said that. They were clearly yelling Father Graham, but those fools they had announcing didn't seem to know what was going on.

Random side note - I don't like the overrated cheer. Don't say that the other team is overrated, say that your team is underrated!!! Sigh.

[xu82]

Going strictly by RPI, the top 6 worst things we've done all season (at this point in time) are:

1) Beat Missouri
2) Split with LBSU
3) Beat IUPUI
4) Split with Depaul
5) Loss to Creighton
6) Loss to Auburn

Yikes! As hard as it is to be us worrying about the tournament right now, I'm just thanking my lucky stars I'm not a Missouri fan. Must suck to be a hoops fan in the state of Misery. How could beating them on the road be the worst thing that's happened to us? Freaky!

[D-West & PO-Z]

I agree with you completely at a human level. That being said, according to computer numbers, that isn't necessarily the case. Losing to LBSU hurt us more than I anticipated. I love this website... you can see how each team factors into Xavier's RPI calculation. http://www.rpiforecast.com/teams/Xavier.html

Going strictly by RPI, the top 6 worst things we've done all season (at this point in time) are:

1) Beat Missouri
2) Split with LBSU
3) Beat IUPUI
4) Split with Depaul
5) Loss to Creighton
6) Loss to Auburn

I am just stating that based on where the RPI numbers are currently. Auburn and Creighton have much worse RPI numbers than UTEP or LBSU (the teams we lost to in Cali). I would have rather won @Auburn and home against Creighton than beat LBSU and UTEP in Cali. Those losses are currenlty worse.

Where did you get those top 6 at? I dont understand how losing to LBSU hurts us more than Auburn or Creighton.

[xu82]

It annoyed me when the announcers said that. They were clearly yelling Father Graham, but those fools they had announcing didn't seem to know what was going on.

Random side note - I don't like the overrated cheer. Don't say that the other team is overrated, say that your team is underrated!!! Sigh.

THAT is what I was saying!

[waggy]

1) Beat Missouri
2) Split with LBSU
3) Beat IUPUI
4) Split with Depaul
5) Loss to Creighton
6) Loss to Auburn


Whether X won or lost or split is kinda immaterial. Ironically the negative impact is diminished slightly in an X loss, because it improves the opponents W/L %. Obviously you don't want that. LBSU is projected to climb out of the bottom 5 by the end of season, though really it's surprising that they are even there now. It all comes back to win %, they've lost 6 games in conference. Did someone get injured for them maybe?

[XU Cowbell Kid]

I am just stating that based on where the RPI numbers are currently. Auburn and Creighton have much worse RPI numbers than UTEP or LBSU (the teams we lost to in Cali). I would have rather won @Auburn and home against Creighton than beat LBSU and UTEP in Cali. Those losses are currenlty worse.

Where did you get those top 6 at? I dont understand how losing to LBSU hurts us more than Auburn or Creighton.

If you scroll to the bottom of the page on that link I posted where they have like 100 teams listed, you can click on the column you want to sort by. If you click on "Curr Impact" it sorts it by how much each team impacts our RPI currently. Those were the six things that were the most negative impacts to our RPI.

[D-West & PO-Z]

If you scroll to the bottom of the page on that link I posted where they have like 100 teams listed, you can click on the column you want to sort by. If you click on "Curr Impact" it sorts it by how much each team impacts our RPI currently. Those were the six things that were the most negative impacts to our RPI.

Intersting. Any insight on why losing to LBSU, who's RPI is much higher than Auburn, DePaul, and Creighton, hurts us more than those other teams?

[waggy]

The "impact" is not based on whether you won or lost the game, or upon that teams RPI, it's based upon their win %.


edit: And I should add it is also based upon their "weight". So in-conference teams with a bad record hurt more than OOC teams. LBSU we played twice, so they would have a greater weight on X's RPI positively or negatively.

[XU Cowbell Kid]

It all comes back to win %, they've lost 6 games in conference. Did someone get injured for them maybe?

I was looking for something about that and couldn't find anything. They've lost their last 4 games though... seems like they are in some sort of funk right now.

[XU Cowbell Kid]

Intersting. Any insight on why losing to LBSU, who's RPI is much higher than Auburn, DePaul, and Creighton, hurts us more than those other teams?

I didn't realize this when I originally posted, but Waggy has made me see the light.

RPI doesn't count whether you win or lose into how an opponent affects your RPI. If you look at Xavier, they have the biggest positive contribution to their own RPI (makes sense). So every win or every loss counts equally towards Xavier's contribution to it's own RPI, regardless of the opponent that they won or lost to.

So beating Depaul would have the same impact as beating Kansas if you look at just Xavier's contribution to their RPI. Then you add in the win/loss percentage of your opponent at a smaller weight (this is where beating Kansas becomes much better than beating Depaul). Then you add in the win/loss percentage of your opponents' opponents at an even smaller weight.

So to make a long story short (too late), if you take into account that we lost to Auburn and Creighton (two losses against Xavier's contribution), it probably does more significantly decrease our RPI than I originally believed, it just doesn't show up as part of the "contribution" of other teams to our RPI.

[XU Cowbell Kid]

I didn't realize this when I originally posted, but Waggy has made me see the light.

RPI doesn't count whether you win or lose into how an opponent affects your RPI. If you look at Xavier, they have the biggest positive contribution to their own RPI (makes sense). So every win or every loss counts equally towards Xavier's contribution to it's own RPI, regardless of the opponent that they won or lost to.

So beating Depaul would have the same impact as beating Kansas if you look at just Xavier's contribution to their RPI. Then you add in the win/loss percentage of your opponent at a smaller weight (this is where beating Kansas becomes much better than beating Depaul). Then you add in the win/loss percentage of your opponents' opponents at an even smaller weight.

So to make a long story short (too late), if you take into account that we lost to Auburn and Creighton (two losses against Xavier's contribution), it probably does more significantly decrease our RPI than I originally believed, it just doesn't show up as part of the "contribution" of other teams to our RPI.

This post makes me realize why many people (including myself, before tonight) don't understand how RPI is calculated. This is a mess.

[waggy]

This post makes me realize why many people (including myself, before tonight) don't understand how RPI is calculated. This is a mess.


And it really tells the story of why being in a good conference is so important.

[waggy]

Intersting. Any insight on why losing to LBSU, who's RPI is much higher than Auburn, DePaul, and Creighton, hurts us more than those other teams?

Since we played LBSU twice they have a greater weight on X's schedule than Auburn. And Auburn plays in a better conference.

X has yet to play Creighton a 2nd time. So their current impact is much less than it will be, and will ultimately exceed LBSU's weight.

DePaul's current win % is better than LBSU's and they play in a better conference, and X's loss to them was a true road vs. neutral. Yes, if the guy that runs RPI forecast is doing it right, it gets that hairy.

Bottomline is that a given teams RPI is constructed of their own win percentage and that of their opponents, and might not necessarily be representative of how they positively or negatively affect your RPI. Ie, you can have a good RPI from playing a tough schedule, and still have a pretty lousy win-loss percentage. Temple was great at this.

[TUclutch]

Was that Bluiett's first dunk of the season?

Yes. I saw it and said to my friend that he should dunk every time he can. Early in the season he had more than a couple wide open times where he just laid it off the glass. If you're 6'6 and can jump, dunk the damn ball

[TUclutch]

Go ahead and blame the refs, that's what losers do. Also the announcers got it wrong, the student section was cheering, "Father Graham".

The student section definitely chanted overrated for about 30 seconds and it was really loud. Not that there is anything wrong with cheering overrated when you blow out a rival, but they did chant it

[MADXSTER]

The student section definitely chanted overrated for about 30 seconds and it was really loud. Not that there is anything wrong with cheering overrated when you blow out a rival, but they did chant it

I was near the student section and never heard it. Not saying they didn't do it, but I never heard it.

[TUclutch]

It was right around the time they did the father graham cheer too. I was right in the corner by 115 by the visitor bench.

[DC Muskie]

Oh it was chanted. It's a stupid cheer, and our students did it.

[GoMuskies]

I heard it and thought it was kind of dumb, but it's not a big deal. Just a stupid chant college kids do. If it got under the skin of a few Butler fans, mission accomplished I suppose.

[LA Muskie]

I love how we're "classless" when we chant "over-rated!" I wanted the student section to chant that at them for the final four minutes. I would have laughed at that. Of course it sucks to hear that chant at your team, but get over it. High schools do it. If you can't take a whoopin' and all that comes with it, get out of the game....or root for UK.

For the most part though, the board over there isn't terrible. Hell, even our Butler "friend" on here got told off for whining about the officials on BUHoops.

I absolute DESPISE that chant. It completely diminishes the value of the win. Why not that they are appropriately rated and we're just BETTER???

(Admittedly that doesn't make for much of a chant, but then I'm not much for chants.)

[Masterofreality]

Oh it was chanted. It's a stupid cheer, and our students did it.


I absolute DESPISE that chant. It completely diminishes the value of the win. Why not that they are appropriately rated and we're just BETTER???

(Admittedly that doesn't make for much of a chant, but then I'm not much for chants.)

Wholeheartedly agree.

[kyxu]

Oh it was chanted. It's a stupid cheer, and our students did it.


I absolute DESPISE that chant. It completely diminishes the value of the win. Why not that they are appropriately rated and we're just BETTER???

(Admittedly that doesn't make for much of a chant, but then I'm not much for chants.)


Wholeheartedly agree.

Pretty much the consensus for anyone with reason regarding the "overrated" chant. No idea how such a dumb and nonsensical chant has made it through generations of college students, but somehow it has.

[xu82]

I absolute DESPISE that chant. It completely diminishes the value of the win. Why not that they are appropriately rated and we're just BETTER???

(Admittedly that doesn't make for much of a chant, but then I'm not much for chants.)

Agree 100%. It only takes away from our accomplishment. If they suck, the win is no big deal. If they're first rate, we must be pretty good. Plus, it's just bad form.

[paulxu]

I'm trying to imagine a bunch of 18 year old kids with beer sitting around Brockman:

Kid #1: Hey, there are some old guys on Xavierhoops who think we are totally classless for our student section chants.
Kid #2: Really? Wonder what they did when they went here.
Kid #3: F&$k 'em.

[kyxu]

I'm trying to imagine a bunch of 18 year old kids with beer sitting around Brockman:

Kid #1: Hey, there are some old guys on Xavierhoops who think we are totally classless for our student section chants.
Kid #2: Really? Wonder what they did when they went here.
Kid #3: F&$k 'em.

Kid #4: Well the "overrated" chant doesn't make any goddamn sense, so maybe we think for ourselves and not chant it. (*does a line of coke*)

[EastCoastXman]

Officials were horrible. Wally Rutecki was not really doing any Big East games this year until the Carl Hess incident. When Hess gave up officiating in mid season, I believe that the Big East elevated Wally to do some games. Boy they need to find a more competent replacement.

[xu82]

I'm trying to imagine a bunch of 18 year old kids with beer sitting around Brockman:

Kid #1: Hey, there are some old guys on Xavierhoops who think we are totally classless for our student section chants.
Kid #2: Really? Wonder what they did when they went here.
Kid #3: F&$k 'em.

Oh, I'm sure I would have been in on it back in the day, though we never got the chance. Every team that should have beaten us.... DID! Probably a bad chant if they only beat you by 10 instead of the expected 20!
It's the gift/curse of age to have an opinion on stuff like this.

[Masterofreality]

Officials were horrible. Wally Rutecki was not really doing any Big East games this year until the Carl Hess incident. When Hess gave up officiating in mid season, I believe that the Big East elevated Wally to do some games. Boy they need to find a more competent replacement.

Rutecki is the prototypical A10 ref, and I thought we were done with him forever, but no such luck. Didn't know Hess quit. Too bad. he was OK.

EDIT: Saw the story where he supposedly made a racist remark to a Wake Forest Board member sitting court side and has been suspended from doing any ACC games. Don't know if the Big East has suspended him. Maybe he's just taken himself out for the rest of the year?

At least by leaving the A10 we finally got rid of guys like DJ Carstarsen and Joe DeMayo. Horrific.

Hoping for a crew with Ed Corbett in MSG tomorrow night. Corbett is one of the best in the business.

[TUclutch]

LOL come on guys. Yes the overrated chant can be seen as opposite to what the win means. But it doesn't actually diminish the win. The RPI system or committee isn't gonna go oh shit they chanted overrated, guess the win shouldn't count for as much. It simply is used to get under the other team/their fans skin.

[BMoreX]

You know what, if we're complaining about little things like what the students are chanting, that means it was a pretty good weekend on the court.

So I'm ok with that.

[blueblood]

It was right around the time they did the father graham cheer too. I was right in the corner by 115 by the visitor bench.

They did the "overrated" chant and then a couple minutes later the "Father Graham" chant. Would have made sense to me if they just gone ahead and combined them.

[Titanxman04]

I'm of the mind frame that it doesn't lesson your win, it just pisses off your opponent. Normally I'm all about class and whatnot, but not with Butler. Screw them.

If we end up beating Nova, no way should we chant that. I like Nova. They have a great program and represent this conference extraordinarily well. They are balanced and talented and as far as I know, Jay Wright is a stand up guy.

But if it pisses off Butler, good. I wanted that chant done the whole final few minutes of the game because I know it would annoy them. The committee doesn't take that into account. The committee looks at numbers, and the numbers say we beat the shit out of the 19th ranked team in the country.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Like it or not, not having chrabs killed them. Butler is a very good team that absolutely needs their top guys healthy to be a very good team. They aren't that deep. Martin is nice but he is just a Freshman and had a tough game and Wideman is better in short minutes off of the bench. That Chrabasz guy changes everything for them.

Us on the other hand, we absolutely need Dee at the point but if a player gets 3 fouls or hurt we have a deeper team of talent to play. Butler's shot at a win at the Cintas was because it was the first post Shootout game. With Chrabasz, it would have been closer but they way XU defended Butler does not win that game.

[Xavier]

Whats the news on Chrabs? When will he be back?

I really like the Bulter team with him on it- If he was healthy I'd likely have them in my sweet 16.

[xudash]

It was a great game to attend. I was very impressed with the crowd given the weather conditions. The Cintas Center truly is a special place to experience a college basketball game.

On a personal note, and keeping in mind that I'm 6'2" and about 265, I had the pleasure of meeting Anthony Munoz and his son on Saturday. I was standing between them while talking with them. About 2 minutes into the conversation I felt rather small for the first time in a long time. Very classy family. It's nice to have a former All-American lineman from Southern Cal and Bengal HOF'er rooting for our Muskies.

[smileyy]

It is absolutely hysterical that a Butler fan could possibly complain about rough play. Everything that Butler accomplished under Stevens was underpinned by the "they can't call them all" defensive philosophy. There has never been a dirtier defensive team than Butler's back-to-back finalists.

And I'd love it if Xavier played that way.

[xsteve1]

Oh it was chanted. It's a stupid cheer, and our students did it.

Was kind of hoping Mack would've squelched the overrated chant as McDermott did last year when the Creighton students started to do it against Nova.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Was kind of hoping Mack would've squelched the overrated chant as McDermott did last year when the Creighton students started to do it against Nova.

I have no issue with it if say you are RPI 150+ and you beat a top 25 team but not an RPI 30ish team like us beating the #19 team.