XAVIER vs UC

[BandAid]

zip em up

[paulxu]

You gotta believe!

I've always believed.

(and I even watched this one! The curse is broken.)

[Cataclysmo]

Good game Xavier, except Lady Musk, you seem like an unpleasant person.

[X Factor]

(exhale) Dang...

[XMuskieFTW]

I don't know how but I am so happy

[Xville]

Finally! A close win in hostile territory that's what I'm talking about!

[Jesuit4Life]

Our city.

[Xavgrad08]

Huge Win. Congrats to the players and coaches. Huge opportunity vs Butler awaits.

[xsteve1]

Need Saturday as well. Huge game this weekend.

[muskiefan82]

I do. Always have.

[LadyMuskie]

Good game Xavier, except Lady Musk, you seem like an unpleasant person.

Oh no. I'll cry myself to sleep tonight knowing that such a big fan of Mick Cronin, such as yourself, doesn't like me.

[waggy]

Wow. Much needed W. Congrats to the team.

[paulxu]

Good game Xavier, except Lady Musk, you seem like an unpleasant person.

You violated Rule #1.
Don't worry, it's happened before.

[Xavgrad08]

Huge game by Dee Davis. He was clutch and poised down the stretch. I will take Dee Davis any day as a Xavier point guard.

[Perma Fro]

Oh no. I'll cry myself to sleep tonight knowing that such a big fan of Mick Cronin, such as yourself, doesn't like me.

F him. Back to momma's basement for him.

[XMuskieFTW]

Rpi up to 33. Saturday will be huge. So ecstatic right now though. We finally came through in the clutch. I love dee

[Cincyforlife6]

Hey, great game guys. Can't wait for the game next year! Goodluck the rest of the season, and I'm very sorry for coming on here and talking crap earlier this month. Maybe we will see eachother in March (; Goodluck guys, will be rooting for you the rest of the way!

[X Factor]

Huge game by Dee Davis. He was clutch and poised down the stretch. I will take Dee Davis any day as a Xavier point guard.

Dee was absolutely HUGE tonight!!

[LadyMuskie]

Huge game by Dee Davis. He was clutch and poised down the stretch. I will take Dee Davis any day as a Xavier point guard.

No doubt. There was ice running through those veins tonight.

[Cataclysmo]

F him. Back to momma's basement for him.

Maybe instead, youll accept your victory. You were the better team, now act like the better person and enjoy your victory more than than someone else's defeat. Congrats X. Take your win with gratitude, as I would take my own.

[Blue Blooded-05]

X has now won 13 of last 19 in the series... Little brother my @$$

[Masterofreality]

Dee.......Davis.

Any further questions, counselor?

[Wheelhouse]

What a great game. Neither team was particularly efficient but it was intense. It's funny how small the margin of victory can be, and even funnier how that tiny difference can change how you view your team. Had we lost that game, I likely would have come on here and eviscerated them. We win, and huzzah! I'm just glad we got the W. Heck of a comeback by UC. Hats off to both teams for a helluva game. Bring on Butler.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

Thank God! This is too close for comfort. My heart and BP took a beating tonight. Beating UC means a lot to me......used to be UC and UD, but now it's just UC.

[Masterofreality]

Hey, great game guys. Can't wait for the game next year! Goodluck the rest of the season, and I'm very sorry for coming on here and talking crap earlier this month. Maybe we will see eachother in March (; Goodluck guys, will be rooting for you the rest of the way!

Good luck. Don't be a stranger.

Now, go win some games and help our RPI!:biggrin:

[drudy23]

Nothing better than the Crosstown Shootout...NEVER disappoints.

[xsteve1]

Pacman behind the X bench went nuts when Tre hit the throws.

[Porkopolis]

Man, that felt good. Dee is becoming one of my all-time favorites.

[Xville]

Great game...dee mvp...Jalen impressed me as well...we can all sleep well tonight!

[bjf123]

I checked my pulse between Trevon's FTs. It was 120. Can't take too much of that!


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[Masterofreality]

By the way, Jimmy Farr with a very nice game tonight.

[drudy23]

Gotta feel for Dee...Senior year, you go out in your last Shootout with that performance. Memories for life and some vindication for himself.

[xu82]

Dee has been saving some threes for tonight. All is forgiven.

[RealDeal]

Is it just me or does uc's coach look like Walter White? After he turned evil.

[paulxu]

I checked my pulse between Trevon's FTs. It was 120. Can't take too much of that!

That's why God made bourbon.

[Emp]

Hey stop the hedging guy, callin you out. Critical possessions defended with the hedge, including a shot clock violation.

Under five possessions defended 1-3-1.

Let him coach.

[muethibp]

Hey stop the hedging guy, callin you out. Critical possessions defended with the hedge, including a shot clock violation.

Under five possessions defended 1-3-1.

Let him coach.

Oh, come on. Just because UC didn't score on the defense doesn't make the defense the right or best strategy for this personnel. More likely it means that, you know, UC can't score.

[LadyMuskie]

Hey stop the hedging guy, callin you out. Critical possessions defended with the hedge, including a shot clock violation.

Under five possessions defended 1-3-1.

Let him coach.

Just enjoy the win! Save the animosity for the uc losers.

[mohr5150]

Congratulations to Dee Davis on an amazing game tonight. He stepped up huge and did everything well that I criticized him for just a few days ago. I am happy as hell to eat that crow. Major props to Farr for a big game, too. Who woulda thunk those two would be the offensive stars?

[MarkGormley]

Underrated aspect of this win... Mick at home, at the end of the rainbow, leaning on his pot 'o gold, crying like a little snatch.

[Masterofreality]

Hey stop the hedging guy, callin you out. Critical possessions defended with the hedge, including a shot clock violation.

Under five possessions defended 1-3-1.

Let him coach.


Uh, second half hedging gave up 4 huge baskets in the rally. Our zone caused turnovers 2 out if the 4 times we used it.

Any further questions?

[paulxu]

Naw...Pdouche will get to him tomorrow and we'll hear about how if he'd been there it would have turned out differently.

[Musketeer_15]

Roadkill in the 'Nati!! Let's finish hate week with a W on Saturday against _utler!

[chico]

Uh, second half hedging gave up 4 huge baskets in the rally. Our zone caused turnovers 2 out if the 4 times we used it.

Any further questions?

Switching defenses threw them off their game, but would have preferred a 2-3 to pack it in against their bigs.

But that's nit picking. Any time we win at UC is a great win regardless of how it happened.

[Masterofreality]

Switching defenses threw them off their game, but would have preferred a 2-3 to pack it in against their bigs.

But that's nit picking. Any time we win at UC is a great win regardless of how it happened.

Agree. I have never said we should only play zone, we HAVE to change it up. We still have guys who are not quick.

[paulxu]

It only took somebody about 3 minutes to update the Wiki page on the shootout.

[RealDeal]

Seriously uc is coached by Heisenberg.

Dee's city.

[Masterofreality]

Funny.

On WLW right now, Mark Amazon, a Borecat grad , is saying that Cincinnati has become a Xavier town, and that the question is whether Xavier needs SucKS on the schedule anymore.

Ha!

[xsteve1]

Funny.

On WLW right now, Mark Amazon, a Borecat grad , is saying that Cincinnati has become a Xavier town, and that the question is whether Xavier needs SucKS on the schedule anymore.

Ha!

Actually went to IU.

[chico]

Actually went to IU.

Forget it he's rolling.

Love my man MOR.

[BMoreX]

Dee Davis. Wow.

[muskienick]

Actually, I thought the two Bearcat fans who posted to this thread were pretty classy. They didn't go and hide when our Muskies squeaked by UC. Both left with congratulatory farewells.

[Emp]

Uh, second half hedging gave up 4 huge baskets in the rally. Our zone caused turnovers 2 out if the 4 times we used it.

Any further questions?

You're byline is STOP THE HEDGING, CAPS/bold.

It worked when We needed it to work. Nothing works all the time. Give it up MOR

[novachap]

Very nice win guys. Congrats. Probably dont NEED to beat Nova now to guarantee gettig in to the Dance! Your guys played great in a tough place.

[Milhouse]

Man Fuck UC. Love this game. Back where it belongs.

CANT WAIT TO SEE CRONIN IN CINTAS in 10 months.

[LA Muskie]

Great game. Great win.

And to all you Dee bashers out there (and you know who you are), I hope you find a way of showing the kid some much deserved respect.

Edit: Just saw your post, Mohr. Well said.

[Bearcat_Bounce]

Big win for Xavier! I think getting to 19 wins locks them in the NCAA tournament!!!

By every metric that measure the quality of play Xavier was the better team. They were ranked significantly higher than Cincinnati in KenPom, Sagarin, ESPN BPI, Massey, etc. The only rating that Cincinnati was higher in is the RPI which we all know doesn't mean much of anything in determining the quality of the team!

Not to mention Xavier probably has more knowledgable fans. Reading the UC boards at the moment is quite hilarious! Too many thinly veiled racist comments and a lack of understanding of basketball. Good win tonight guys! Have to say I do like your team...exactly the type of team that has a high ceiling in March (though defense is still a concern). ENJOY!!!

[Musketeer_15]

Very nice win guys. Congrats. Probably dont NEED to beat Nova now to guarantee gettig in to the Dance! Your guys played great in a tough place.

Thanks Nova! We might not NEED the win against you guys but it still is a huge game for seeding reasons. Plus, getting a top 5 win in Cintas would be an instant classic for us, so mentally we NEED it!

[LA Muskie]

Incidentally, after watching the game at an on campus venue (even UC's) I don't think there is any question that the game is MUCH, MUCH, MUCH better off played on campus. I'd still be against cancelling the series in lieu of playing at a neutral site, but it's I can't see any rational being thinking that the game should ever be played at such a site after today. Outstanding game. By both teams. And both teams played about as composed as you will ever see. The venues were never the problem...

[GreatWhiteNorth]

There are some classy bearcat fans out there. We appreciate that.

[X-Fan]

Man, what a win. Thought they were going to have another road collapse but Dee wipeouts nit let it happen!

What a HUGE 3! Anyone know If Mack drew that up? If he did, that was ballsy as heck!

Rough game for Matt. Sometimes he overthinks things. No more interior passes please!

I know I'm overly optimistic about this team, but I think they are so close to really putting it together. And if Dee can score like that, this team is unstoppable.

Go X!!!!

[novachap]

Thanks Nova! We might not NEED the win against you guys but it still is a huge game for seeding reasons. Plus, getting a top 5 win in Cintas would be an instant classic for us, so mentally we NEED it!

Well, might not be rooting for you in that one! I saw our away games at Butler, Providence (which historically has been very hard for us) and at your place as very tough games during this stretch on our schedule ... Enjoy, and good luck the rest of the way!

[D-West & PO-Z]

Unbelievable. Weakest team mentally ever!!!!!! Suck so bad in crunch time.

Tre was pretty mentally strong as he nailed the two decisive FT's!!

[bobbiemcgee]

Just watched the replay and still can't believe we won.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Freaking love Xavier basketball!!

I was going nuts in the Montgomery Inn in Cbus at the viewing party. My wife was embarrassed to say the least. Wouldnt have felt right if I wasnt acting like a crazy person though.

[chico]

Well, might not be rooting for you in that one! I saw our away games at Butler, Providence (which historically has been very hard for us) and at your place as very tough games during this stretch on our schedule ... Enjoy, and good luck the rest of the way!

Thanks for stopping by. You guys have a great team this year. Hoping for a great game when you come to town.

[xu82]

Just watched the replay and still can't believe we won.

Watch again... we still win!!!!

[xudash]

I watched the game at Dana's. What a great experience to watch X best UC while drinking and eating at MECCA. A roar went up when we learned that BJ had won the halftime contest.

BJ wins.

X wins.

All in all, a very warm feeling covers me on a very cold night.

[xu82]

I watched the game at Dana's. What a great experience to watch X best UC while drinking and eating at MECCA. A roar went up when we learned that BJ had won the halftime contest.

BJ wins.

X wins.

All in all, a very warm feeling covers me on a very cold night.

Ha! Awesome news. Congrats to BJ on a wonderful night!

[Masterofreality]

Actually went to IU.

At the start of the show he said he went to SucKS. Then later he admitted he went to IU.

Hell, I never listen to him so no way I knew.

[Masterofreality]

Very nice win guys. Congrats. Probably dont NEED to beat Nova now to guarantee gettig in to the Dance! Your guys played great in a tough place.

I love this league and love rooting for every Big East team in non - conference games.

Thanks Nova!

[Strange Brew]

Freaking love Xavier basketball!!

I was going nuts in the Montgomery Inn in Cbus at the viewing party. My wife was embarrassed to say the least. Wouldnt have felt right if I wasnt acting like a crazy person though.

No shame D-West. Mrs. Brew had to remind me a couple of times that I was scaring the dog.

Couple of thoughts:

I've always loved Dee. ;) Seriously though, great game.

I love the Shootout on campus. Seemed like a great atmosphere tonight and no surprise to me, the players handled themselves well. I hope Mick brings a pacifier to help with the crying next year (get well Mick, you have a game to lose in ten months).

What's with the civil UC fans on this board??? You guys are killing my hate. Stop it!

On to the next. LET'S GO X!

[coasterville95]

Great game!

I can see it now, Cronin will be on the news whining that they would have won if the game were at US Bank Arena. They just can't win in such a hostile environment. Then he sulks when he is reminded the game was at uc.

Great first half, glad we had it so we could weather the second half drought. Not the prettiest game but it's a win. There are no style points.

Road game: get in, get the win, get out.

What a thrilling ending, heart attack royale indeed. Instant classic. Love the "rip their hearts out and stomp on them with 0.5 seconds left." Just be glad that Hail Mary shot at the end missed.

Not their super bowl, eh, explain this:

1640
(That's the Bearcat rappelling in with their flag from the rafters if you couldn't make it out.)

Or this:

1641

And the way their announcer kept calling him Matt STEINbrook got almost as grating as Eggs.

[CinciX12]

Every UC fan I have heard from tonight is completely devastated and have all said something along the lines of clearly Xavier has had a better program the last decade. I love it.

I love everything about tonight.

We needed 5 points to beat them in the last 14 minutes of the game.

[nasdadjr]

One positive thing and one negative thing about tonight's game. On the negative it seems like this offense will only go as far as Remy Abell will take it. Dee is always Dee and stain is stain but a recurring trend is xavier doesn't score when Remy doesn't score and when Remy is on this offense really clicks. These last few games if Remy is on I think x can be pretty successful.

On the positive xavier got smacked in the mouth in the second half and for once they finally smacked back. For the first time even when they went down xavier looked like they just refused to lose and found a way to make that happen. I'm proud of the guys and especially a freshman to step up in that environment on that stage the way they did. I was a firm believer that a loss in this game was devestating to tournament hopes and they got the win when they needed it. Now let's see them carry it over to multiple games

[Backyard Champ]

One positive thing and one negative thing about tonight's game. On the negative it seems like this offense will only go as far as Remy Abell will take it. Dee is always Dee and stain is stain but a recurring trend is xavier doesn't score when Remy doesn't score and when Remy is on this offense really clicks. These last few games if Remy is on I think x can be pretty successful.

On the positive xavier got smacked in the mouth in the second half and for once they finally smacked back. For the first time even when they went down xavier looked like they just refused to lose and found a way to make that happen. I'm proud of the guys and especially a freshman to step up in that environment on that stage the way they did. I was a firm believer that a loss in this game was devestating to tournament hopes and they got the win when they needed it. Now let's see them carry it over to multiple games

Don't want to make this a downer of a thread, probably talk for a different one, but not sure what Stain is at this point. Everyone keeps saying an injury, if that's the case I hope that he will get back to 100% soon, but his play recently has been soft.

Thrilled with a Xavier win. After the first half I was hoping for another blow out, but this type of win may be more beneficial for the team.

[IM4X]

Congratulations to Dee Davis on an amazing game tonight. He stepped up huge and did everything well that I criticized him for just a few days ago. I am happy as hell to eat that crow. Major props to Farr for a big game, too. Who woulda thunk those two would be the offensive stars?

Wow... What happened to man who said "You can site assists all you want, but he is the worst starting guard we've had since Mo. His defense is horrible, and he couldn't hit water from a boat. He may try hard, but he's not good."

So what you are saying is you will not be happy when he is no longer on the team... Ha... I'm just messing with you... Nice to see you are coming around. Oh... By the way... To answer your question... I would have thought Dee would have been a star tonight. As I brought up a few days ago- he gives more effort than any other X player... and this game was an important game for a senior to play well. Being 5 for 5 from behind the arc was even a bit of a surprise for me, but Dee having a great game in the Crosstown Shootout was not.

I hope everyone on this board who questioned Dee's talent or ability to lead the team as a point guard will now get behind him for the rest of the season. No one's perfect, but he going to bring it every night and he deserves our support.

Great game Dee! Proud of you man!!!

[xavierj]

Just re watched game. Ref Jamie Luckey must have had money on the game. Was UC's 6th man and Kept the game about 10 points closer. He literally made every questionable call. Called walk on Stainbrook when he scored in lane, called a charge on Stainbrook from 30 feet away out of position behind the play and other ref who was on baseline didn't call anything, called double T, and finally called the and one for UC at the end. Luckily Xavier was able to overcome him.

[spursy]

Senior night vs nova...Dee is set to go off. Again. I cannot wait for him to get a top 5 win to end his time at Cintas.

[bleedXblue]

Just re watched game. Ref Jamie Luckey must have had money on the game. Was UC's 6th man and Kept the game about 10 points closer. He literally made every questionable call. Called walk on Stainbrook when he scored in lane, called a charge on Stainbrook from 30 feet away out of position behind the play and other ref who was on baseline didn't call anything, called double T, and finally called the and one for UC at the end. Luckily Xavier was able to overcome him.

Agreed, there were some questionable calls that went UC's way in the second half. The Stain "charge" and travel were both BS IMHO. Jalen was pushed under the basket and he got called for the foul late in the game that gave UC the lead. They tried to pull it UC's way.

[mohr5150]

Wow... What happened to man who said "You can site assists all you want, but he is the worst starting guard we've had since Mo. His defense is horrible, and he couldn't hit water from a boat. He may try hard, but he's not good."

So what you are saying is you will not be happy when he is no longer on the team... Ha... I'm just messing with you... Nice to see you are coming around. Oh... By the way... To answer your question... I would have thought Dee would have been a star tonight. As I brought up a few days ago- he gives more effort than any other X player... and this game was an important game for a senior to play well. Being 5 for 5 from behind the arc was even a bit of a surprise for me, but Dee having a great game in the Crosstown Shootout was not.

I hope everyone on this board who questioned Dee's talent or ability to lead the team as a point guard will now get behind him for the rest of the season. No one's perfect, but he going to bring it every night and he deserves our support.

Great game Dee! Proud of you man!!!

He had a great game last night and I acknowledged that fact. I still stand behind what I said before. He plays hard, works hard, and wants to win. All the other stuff has been explained and argued enough. Enjoy the win like I am. To ask a question of you, if it is so important for seniors to play well in the shootout, then why did Stainbrook lay an egg last night? It isn't a guarantee that seniors play well in their final shootout. Dee had a great game last night. I'll let the numbers for the rest of the season speak for themselves.

[mohr5150]

Just re watched game. Ref Jamie Luckey must have had money on the game. Was UC's 6th man and Kept the game about 10 points closer. He literally made every questionable call. Called walk on Stainbrook when he scored in lane, called a charge on Stainbrook from 30 feet away out of position behind the play and other ref who was on baseline didn't call anything, called double T, and finally called the and one for UC at the end. Luckily Xavier was able to overcome him.

Yeah, I dropped numerous f bombs in front of my seven year old when those calls were made. Not proud of that.

[throwbackmuskie]

Agreed, there were some questionable calls that went UC's way in the second half. The Stain "charge" and travel were both BS IMHO. Jalen was pushed under the basket and he got called for the foul late in the game that gave UC the lead. They tried to pull it UC's way.

Glad I am not the only one who saw/thought this.

[Juice]

Agreed, there were some questionable calls that went UC's way in the second half. The Stain "charge" and travel were both BS IMHO. Jalen was pushed under the basket and he got called for the foul late in the game that gave UC the lead. They tried to pull it UC's way.

I also think Octavius Ellis' tip in at the end was offensive goal tending.

[throwbackmuskie]

I also think Octavius Ellis' tip in at the end was offensive goal tending.

I thought it was as well. Really seemed like they wanted a close game.

[Cheesehead]

I thought it was as well. Really seemed like they wanted a close game.

it was, looked like ball was on the cylinder to me

[Lamont Sanford]

Glad I am not the only one who saw/thought this.

Saw that one too. Gary Clark pushed off with his forearm to create space between him and Farr. Offensive foul.

[American X]

Just re watched game. Ref Jamie Luckey must have had money on the game. Was UC's 6th man and Kept the game about 10 points closer. He literally made every questionable call. Called walk on Stainbrook when he scored in lane, called a charge on Stainbrook from 30 feet away out of position behind the play and other ref who was on baseline didn't call anything, called double T, and finally called the and one for UC at the end. Luckily Xavier was able to overcome him.

In case anyone was not clear, Jamie Luckie was the star of the show. Look at him! LOOK AT HIM!

[Caveat]

Agreed, there were some questionable calls that went UC's way in the second half. The Stain "charge" and travel were both BS IMHO. Jalen was pushed under the basket and he got called for the foul late in the game that gave UC the lead. They tried to pull it UC's way.

The calls were bad in the abstract, but they were made exponentially worse by the fact that there was literally an identical situation minutes earlier where Stainbrook flopped on the block when his man dropped the shoulder for a power move and there was no call given, and that the extra step had been given to the bigs down low all game.

You could directly contrast it to the UNC/Duke game that was on after -- where the refs just let 'em play down the stretch and it was beautiful to watch.

[Masterofreality]

The calls were bad in the abstract, but they were made exponentially worse by the fact that there was literally an identical situation minutes earlier where Stainbrook flopped on the block when his man dropped the shoulder for a power move and there was no call given, and that the extra step had been given to the bigs down low all game.

You could directly contrast it to the UNC/Duke game that was on after -- where the refs just let 'em play down the stretch and it was beautiful to watch.

This.

[Drew's Crew]

I'll let the numbers for the rest of the season speak for themselves.

I mean, I know the guy isn't amazing, but he is 10th in the country in assists per game... He is behind only Scott and Dunn in APG against High D-1 competition.

Dee is also top 10% in all Division 1 in assist/turnover ratio.

He is a Point Guard. A PG's job is to provide opportunities for his teammates to score. He does that...better than almost anyone in the country (and these numbers don't include the numerous bunnies Satin and Jalen have been missing the last three weeks).

He plays the whole game and a physically mismatched on both ends of the floor. It is exhausting to do what he does, and he does it extremely well.

Since your argument hinges on numbers, which ones are you referring to?

[Xavier]

^^Could be the 18% from three in conference play? I like what Dee does for us. I think we need him to be able to hit 2-3 threes a game for us to be really successful. But man, What a huge game last night for Dee. Loved it.

[X-Fan]

Do Xavier or UC keep all of the Shootouts in an archive or on DVDs? If they sold DVDs of the games I would buy them all from the 85 season to current. Want to have them all from when I was born until I die.


Just re watched game. Ref Jamie Luckey must have had money on the game. Was UC's 6th man and Kept the game about 10 points closer. He literally made every questionable call. Called walk on Stainbrook when he scored in lane, called a charge on Stainbrook from 30 feet away out of position behind the play and other ref who was on baseline didn't call anything, called double T, and finally called the and one for UC at the end. Luckily Xavier was able to overcome him.


Agreed, there were some questionable calls that went UC's way in the second half. The Stain "charge" and travel were both BS IMHO. Jalen was pushed under the basket and he got called for the foul late in the game that gave UC the lead. They tried to pull it UC's way.


The calls were bad in the abstract, but they were made exponentially worse by the fact that there was literally an identical situation minutes earlier where Stainbrook flopped on the block when his man dropped the shoulder for a power move and there was no call given, and that the extra step had been given to the bigs down low all game.

You could directly contrast it to the UNC/Duke game that was on after -- where the refs just let 'em play down the stretch and it was beautiful to watch.

All of this. I wouldn't have had as much issue with the Stainbrook charge if Stain hadn't been trucked over with no foul call a few minutes before that. The walk was BS, the "Carry/Palming" call on Dee was total crap, and UC was allowed to initiate as much contact as they wanted without any thought of an offensive foul call.

With all that said, you have to expect stuff like that on the road. No one is going to give you a game, you have to TAKE it. Thankfully our boys were able to do that.

I will NEVER get tired of beating UC. NEVER!

Go X!!!!

[Tardy Turtle]

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/55431331.jpg

That is all.

[Emp]

Who called the foul that sent Trevon to the line? I didn't see a replay, but it looked like a no call to me. No one can say he swallowed the whistle on that one.

We went to the line 14 times, UC 6. No one fouled out. That was not a homer hum job.

[ammtd34]

All of this. I wouldn't have had as much issue with the Stainbrook charge if Stain hadn't been trucked over with no foul call a few minutes before that. The walk was BS, the "Carry/Palming" call on Dee was total crap, and UC was allowed to initiate as much contact as they wanted without any thought of an offensive foul call.

With all that said, you have to expect stuff like that on the road. No one is going to give you a game, you have to TAKE it. Thankfully our boys were able to do that.

I will NEVER get tired of beating UC. NEVER!

Go X!!!!

It was worse than that. He actually called a double dribble, which it couldn't possibly have been

[ammtd34]

Who called the foul that sent Trevon to the line? I didn't see a replay, but it looked like a no call to me. No one can say he swallowed the whistle on that one.

We went to the line 14 times, UC 6. No one fouled out. That was not a homer hum job.

From the regular game angle, it looked like a no call to me, too. On a replay, he grabbed him with both hands.

[Emp]

Incidentally, after watching the game at an on campus venue (even UC's) I don't think there is any question that the game is MUCH, MUCH, MUCH better off played on campus. I'd still be against cancelling the series in lieu of playing at a neutral site, but it's I can't see any rational being thinking that the game should ever be played at such a site after today. Outstanding game. By both teams. And both teams played about as composed as you will ever see. The venues were never the problem...

Yes.

Nothing beats a revved up college basketball game in a roaring sold out arena. I was glad to see UC fans and students in full voice. It's good for our team to go through the crucible of a hostile arena and pull out a win.

[xavierj]

Who called the foul that sent Trevon to the line? I didn't see a replay, but it looked like a no call to me. No one can say he swallowed the whistle on that one.

We went to the line 14 times, UC 6. No one fouled out. That was not a homer hum job.

Not a homer job but Jamie Luckie was 30 feet behind the charge call and Matt didn't walk on the runner in the lane. I just pointed out that Luckie seemed to want to blow his whistle more than the other two and kept the game closer. As for Trevon that could have eSily worked in UC's favor. Young player, who had not scored and who had been on the bench for a long time in a pressure situation on national TV. That was not really ideal at the time. First shot barely made it. On top of that is it gave UC a ton of time for a last shot.

[Xavier]

Can't imagine what people would be saying if we lost about that missed dunk... I get going hard to make a statement but man, you have to make sure it goes in.

[markchal]

A lot has been made of Stain's shortcomings over the last 7-8 games (he has to be still hurt) but I've been a little more perplexed by the play from Remy. Some careless TOs and a total non factor last night, IMO. I guess it was more about the guys who came to play (Dee, Myles, Farr), but we need more from Abell.

[BandAid]

Can't imagine what people would be saying if we lost about that missed dunk... I get going hard to make a statement but man, you have to make sure it goes in.

He did get a little cute on that attempt.

I can't remember Jalen even getting to the rim at any other point in the night. UC was literally pulling him down with some frequency. I was impressed he kept his cool the way he did. And the double-t was unnecessary. Just get between the two and give them a warning. There were no shenanigans of any kind prior to that, and that wasn't even shenanigans.

[outsideobserver11]

Such a disappointing time to be a UC fan. We have had the same issues in basketball for 10 years now but the coaching staff can't figure it out for some reason, we are in a crap conference (that we aren't even winning), get let down over and over again as we hold on to every glimmer of hope that some random twitter guy posts about us going to the big 12, our olympic sports all suck, the basketball team down the road has owned us for the better part of 2 decades, the football team up the road just won the national championship, and to top it off, people are claiming racism now because a UC fan painted his face black and dyed his beard red for a freaking BLACKOUT game. Absolutely insane.

Oh well, guess I'll have to continue "smelling your gloves" or whatever it was you all used to say here.

I'm ready for a drink.

[mohr5150]

In
Since your argument hinges on numbers, which ones are you referring to?

Read the St. John's thread. The stats are there.

[ammtd34]

Such a disappointing time to be a UC fan. We have had the same issues in basketball for 10 years now but the coaching staff can't figure it out for some reason, we are in a crap conference (that we aren't even winning), get let down over and over again as we hold on to every glimmer of hope that some random twitter guy posts about us going to the big 12, our olympic sports all suck, the basketball team down the road has owned us for the better part of 2 decades, the football team up the road just won the national championship, and to top it off, people are claiming racism now because a UC fan painted his face black and dyed his beard red for a freaking BLACKOUT game. Absolutely insane.

Oh well, guess I'll have to continue "smelling your gloves" or whatever it was you all used to say here.

I'm ready for a drink.

Really?

[Muskeagle]

It did seem like all the calls down the stretch went the wrong way, but as others have said, that is to be expected on the road. One interesting call that Calhoun seemed to take issue with was the one where Jalen was fouled at the basket. They gave the foul to Clark, but Calhoun seemed to think it was a a good block. What everyone seemed to miss (even the ref) was the other UC player who basically pulled a Greg Oden on Justin Cage push to Jalen's throat.

[Xavier]

Looked to me like it was middle of his chest but yeah, the foul was not on the block rather the guy who hit pushed him in the chest.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Jalen was the recipient of a few hard fouls one of which absolutely should have been flagrant.


It did seem like all the calls down the stretch went the wrong way, but as others have said, that is to be expected on the road. One interesting call that Calhoun seemed to take issue with was the one where Jalen was fouled at the basket. They gave the foul to Clark, but Calhoun seemed to think it was a a good block. What everyone seemed to miss (even the ref) was the other UC player who basically pulled a Greg Oden on Justin Cage push to Jalen's throat.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Can't blame you at all, UC's brand of ball is uninteresting to say the least and their ability to play offense is numbing. However, Gary Clark can play and Caupain, though isn't going to take you on his back and win, he won't lose games either. He is steady. Cobb and Berry, you know what you have in those transfers and that is it. Ellis is a POS and really hasn't learned anything since the brawl. Moore is an unknown quantity with his suspension. That Kevin Johnson guy is young but he stinks.

Recruit some shooters and a center and play around Clark.

If XU makes a few of those bunnies in the last 10 mins the end game scenario isn't nearly as close as it was. Some of those calls were head scratchers for sure, but some of those shots absolutely need to fall.


Such a disappointing time to be a UC fan. We have had the same issues in basketball for 10 years now but the coaching staff can't figure it out for some reason, we are in a crap conference (that we aren't even winning), get let down over and over again as we hold on to every glimmer of hope that some random twitter guy posts about us going to the big 12, our olympic sports all suck, the basketball team down the road has owned us for the better part of 2 decades, the football team up the road just won the national championship, and to top it off, people are claiming racism now because a UC fan painted his face black and dyed his beard red for a freaking BLACKOUT game. Absolutely insane.

Oh well, guess I'll have to continue "smelling your gloves" or whatever it was you all used to say here.

I'm ready for a drink.

[LA Muskie]

I actually thought the game was very well-officiated. Sure, you can pick a few questionable calls (as you can in any game), but as usual I think we are concentrating more on the calls that hurt us and ignoring those that benefited us.

In terms of specific calls, the only one with which I would really quarrel is the Stainbrook charge. Not because it wasn't a charge (it was), but because it was inconsistent with the way the entire game had been officiated up until that point -- in particular, the exact same play on the other side of the court by DeBerry (I believe) only minutes earlier.

The double-dribble call on Dee was a tough one. From the camera angle (which I think was the same angle the ref who called it had), Dee dribbled the ball with his left hand, brought it up nearly shoulder high, and appeared to bring it over to to pick up his dribble with his right hand. He obviously didn't hold the ball, but I can't tell whether it actually touched his right hand or not. It was either a very good move (but still close to a carry since it came up so high) or a double-dribble. Either way, it was VERY close -- close enough that I can see a referee thinking it was the latter.

The travel call on Stain looked right to me. Others have said the call was inconsistent and that others had gotten away with it throughout the game. I didn't notice that, but travel calls are botched so often that it wouldn't necessarily surprise me. (On a similar note, carries are inconsistently called. Like most PG's, Dee could probably be called for a carry 50% of the time.)

Finally, I can live with the double-technical. It did seem excessive -- I certainly think he could have just pulled both in and given them a talking-to (it was during a timeout, after all). But in a game like this, I can understand a desire to shut stuff like that down before it gets any worse. Especially since both of those guys were jawing most of the game up until that point. And in the end, the extra fouls didn't really affect either team.

UC was the more energetic, more intense, and more physical team in the 2nd half. In general, the team that plays that way is going to get the benefit of the doubt on calls. Whether at home or on the road. We struggled throughout the 2nd half, and it had very little to do with the refs. Thankfully, we did enough in the 1st half to be in the game at the end. And we made the plays when we needed them.

[X-Fan]

If XU makes a few of those bunnies in the last 10 mins the end game scenario isn't nearly as close as it was. Some of those calls were head scratchers for sure, but some of those shots absolutely need to fall.
You're telling the truth. I was losing my mind with Stain not going strong and at least drawing a foul. He makes those (or gets fouled) and Jalen converts his dunk (or gets fouled) and X is up 6 with a minute to go.

SO glad we won, because otherwise I would be seriously "butthurt" over that game.

[Masterofreality]

Let's see....

*Checks Win Column*

Yep, it's there.

[nasdadjr]

There is a lot of complaining going on here for a win. Game was well officiated and the double t was correct. Nip it in the butt and it's not an issue at all and that's what they did. Stain charged, Dee double dribbled or carried and the uc 3 pt play was definitely a foul. Any crosstown shootout that has zero double bonus teams at any point is an awesome thing. In the end do not forget...WE WON!

[D-West & PO-Z]

There is a lot of complaining going on here for a win. Game was well officiated and the double t was correct. Nip it in the butt and it's not an issue at all and that's what they did. Stain charged, Dee double dribbled or carried and the uc 3 pt play was definitely a foul. Any crosstown shootout that has zero double bonus teams at any point is an awesome thing. In the end do not forget...WE WON!

Which is it? Since you seem so sure it was the correct call which did he do?

[muethibp]

Just looked through the box score.
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=400586834

Dee Davis's night just bounds off the page.

Played all 40 minutes - in an intense, physical game. 5-for-5 from 3s, 3 rebounds, 8 assists, had the ball in his hands the whole night and had one turnover (which, as discussed here, was questionable). That's just sick.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Just looked through the box score.
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=400586834

Dee Davis's night just bounds off the page.

Played all 40 minutes - in an intense, physical game. 5-for-5 from 3s, 3 rebounds, 8 assists, had the ball in his hands the whole night and had one turnover (which, as discussed here, was questionable). That's just sick.

Against a very good defense too.

[LA Muskie]

Which is it? Since you seem so sure it was the correct call which did he do?
I think it's fair to say it could be an either/or situation. It looked to me like he brought it up to hold but then changed his mind. Did it touch his right hand? If so, it was a double-dribble. If not, the ball came pretty high and may have come to a stop. If so, it's a carry. There is also a possibility it was neither.

[Wheelhouse]

I actually thought the game was very well-officiated. Sure, you can pick a few questionable calls (as you can in any game), but as usual I think we are concentrating more on the calls that hurt us and ignoring those that benefited us.

In terms of specific calls, the only one with which I would really quarrel is the Stainbrook charge. Not because it wasn't a charge (it was), but because it was inconsistent with the way the entire game had been officiated up until that point -- in particular, the exact same play on the other side of the court by DeBerry (I believe) only minutes earlier.

The double-dribble call on Dee was a tough one. From the camera angle (which I think was the same angle the ref who called it had), Dee dribbled the ball with his left hand, brought it up nearly shoulder high, and appeared to bring it over to to pick up his dribble with his right hand. He obviously didn't hold the ball, but I can't tell whether it actually touched his right hand or not. It was either a very good move (but still close to a carry since it came up so high) or a double-dribble. Either way, it was VERY close -- close enough that I can see a referee thinking it was the latter.

The travel call on Stain looked right to me. Others have said the call was inconsistent and that others had gotten away with it throughout the game. I didn't notice that, but travel calls are botched so often that it wouldn't necessarily surprise me. (On a similar note, carries are inconsistently called. Like most PG's, Dee could probably be called for a carry 50% of the time.)

Finally, I can live with the double-technical. It did seem excessive -- I certainly think he could have just pulled both in and given them a talking-to (it was during a timeout, after all). But in a game like this, I can understand a desire to shut stuff like that down before it gets any worse. Especially since both of those guys were jawing most of the game up until that point. And in the end, the extra fouls didn't really affect either team.

UC was the more energetic, more intense, and more physical team in the 2nd half. In general, the team that plays that way is going to get the benefit of the doubt on calls. Whether at home or on the road. We struggled throughout the 2nd half, and it had very little to do with the refs. Thankfully, we did enough in the 1st half to be in the game at the end. And we made the plays when we needed them.

This.

[Caveat]

Such a disappointing time to be a UC fan. We have had the same issues in basketball for 10 years now but the coaching staff can't figure it out for some reason, we are in a crap conference (that we aren't even winning), get let down over and over again as we hold on to every glimmer of hope that some random twitter guy posts about us going to the big 12, our olympic sports all suck, the basketball team down the road has owned us for the better part of 2 decades, the football team up the road just won the national championship, and to top it off, people are claiming racism now because a UC fan painted his face black and dyed his beard red for a freaking BLACKOUT game. Absolutely insane.

Oh well, guess I'll have to continue "smelling your gloves" or whatever it was you all used to say here.

I'm ready for a drink.

UC's problem continues to be that the seem to recruit great athletes instead of great basketball players.

That might work if you have great people coaching and teaching the game, but it's very apparent that UC is lacking in that regard over the past 10 years.

[LA Muskie]

UC's problem continues to be that the seem to recruit great athletes instead of great basketball players.
I think this is right. And it is reminiscent of complaints last Saturday after the St. John's game where people complained that we aren't athletic enough. I think people take for granted that a combination of elite athleticism and skill is actually pretty rare -- and those who have it, tend to be recruited by the upper echelon of college basketball. It's overall roster balance between athleticism and skill that every staff -- even the UK's and Duke's of the world -- strive to achieve. And it's easier said than done.

[xuwin]

UC's problem continues to be that the seem to recruit great athletes instead of great basketball players.

That might work if you have great people coaching and teaching the game, but it's very apparent that UC is lacking in that regard over the past 10 years.

I tend to agree with you and you need both. It would be nice if Xavier could recruit some big time shot blockers once in a while. It makes it a lot easier to defend the perimeter if you have a big shot blocker to clean up inside when they penetrate into your perimeter defense. I think Jalen has the potential to be that guy if he sticks around for 2 more years but he has to learn how to do it without fouling.

[RealDeal]

Just looked through the box score.
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=400586834

Dee Davis's night just bounds off the page.

Played all 40 minutes - in an intense, physical game. 5-for-5 from 3s, 3 rebounds, 8 assists, had the ball in his hands the whole night and had one turnover (which, as discussed here, was questionable). That's just sick.

Yes, it would be nice if the Dee haters could just STFU for one day.

[Muskeagle]

I thought the game was officiated well....for 35 mins. The last five minutes were unlike the rest of the game. Some of that has to do with being at home. Some has to do with momentum. Regardless, there were travels being missed all night. The ref should not make that call from behind dee. There was one call made from across the court, that should have been made by the lead or trail official (can't remmber which it was). The call on Farr on UC's final bucket was a call that had been let go all night. The charges....both going against Stain. Not good. I had no real problem with the Techs....even if the call was because 3 years ago. Good call. Not particularly annoyed Jalen on that one, but good call.

It was just frustrating to see the way the game had been called change like it did.

[mohr5150]

Yes, it would be nice if the Dee haters could just STFU for one day.

Get a clue, dude. I stated earlier in this thread that I gave him major props for a great game and that I was happy to eat crow. Either you can't read or expect everyone to all of a sudden bow down to players for having a good game. I didn't even make a comment about the previous post I made about him until you come on blubbering about it. Enjoy the win like I am and quit trying to start fights.

[Bearcat_Bounce]

Such a disappointing time to be a UC fan. We have had the same issues in basketball for 10 years now but the coaching staff can't figure it out for some reason, we are in a crap conference (that we aren't even winning), get let down over and over again as we hold on to every glimmer of hope that some random twitter guy posts about us going to the big 12, our olympic sports all suck, the basketball team down the road has owned us for the better part of 2 decades, the football team up the road just won the national championship, and to top it off, people are claiming racism now because a UC fan painted his face black and dyed his beard red for a freaking BLACKOUT game. Absolutely insane.

Oh well, guess I'll have to continue "smelling your gloves" or whatever it was you all used to say here.

I'm ready for a drink.

The main issue is most UC fans no little to nothing about basketball. Also, most don't like Mick Cronin. Seriously, we by far have the least intelligent fan base in America...we make Kentucky fans look like Rhodes scholars. UC fans are the WORST!!!

[xudash]

The main issue is most UC fans no little to nothing about basketball. Also, most don't like Mick Cronin. Seriously, we by far have the least intelligent fan base in America...we make Kentucky fans look like Rhodes scholars. UC fans are the WORST!!!

If the glass is half full, then at least it is a high achievement to make Kentucky fans look like Rhodes scholars.

[Caveat]

I think this is right. And it is reminiscent of complaints last Saturday after the St. John's game where people complained that we aren't athletic enough. I think people take for granted that a combination of elite athleticism and skill is actually pretty rare -- and those who have it, tend to be recruited by the upper echelon of college basketball. It's overall roster balance between athleticism and skill that every staff -- even the UK's and Duke's of the world -- strive to achieve. And it's easier said than done.

I recognize too that there's an element of guessing to all this, because you're recruiting children hoping to have an idea what they look like when they become men.

[xu82]

I'm re-watching the end of the second half. It's much more fun without the knot in my stomach. But it will be less exhilarating, too. Still barrels of fun!

[RealDeal]

In

Read the St. John's thread. The stats are there.

Nah, I don't want to read your nonsense analysis about the guy who won the game last night. Seriously STFU.

[Xville]

Nah, I don't want to read your nonsense analysis about the guy who won the game last night. Seriously STFU.

Maybe you should stfu and stop trying to pick fights with people even after a win. Dee had a fantastic game last night, even the dee haters that you pointed out have said so. That doesn't mean that everyone should bow down to everyone on the team just because of one win, just like one loss should not mean that every person on the team should be destroyed by people on here. Get a grip, enjoy the win, and on to the next one.

[RealDeal]

Maybe you should stfu and stop trying to pick fights with people even after a win. Dee had a fantastic game last night, even the dee haters that you pointed out have said so. That doesn't mean that everyone should bow down to everyone on the team just because of one win, just like one loss should not mean that every person on the team should be destroyed by people on here. Get a grip, enjoy the win, and on to the next one.

People say great game Dee, but really he's not that good, just look at the stars in the St. John's thread. They need to stfu, you do too. Jesus it's less than 24 hours after that game. You people are pathetic.

[LA Muskie]

Real, c'mon man. I made a comment after last night's game as well, to the effect that Dee bashers owed him props. Then I realized that Mohr had done so before I even got around to posting. Let's enjoy the win -- no need to tear one another down. You made your point earlier. Let it go now.

[RealDeal]

Real, c'mon man. I made a comment after last night's game as well, to the effect that Dee bashers owed him props. Then I realized that Mohr had done so before I even got around to posting. Let's enjoy the win -- no need to tear one another down. You made your point earlier. Let it go now.

I'm not holding on to anything, anyone who reads this board knows we have some shitty fans. Such is life.

[Wheelhouse]

I'm not holding on to anything, anyone who reads this board knows we have some shitty fans. Such is life.

Mr. Davis, we still respect your son and appreciate everything he's given to Xavier University, but please lighten up.

[Xville]

People say great game Dee, but really he's not that good, just look at the stars in the St. John's thread. They need to stfu, you do too. Jesus it's less than 24 hours after that game. You people are pathetic.

You know what's pathetic? Neg repping people who are calling u on your bs.

[RealDeal]

You know what's pathetic? Neg repping people who are calling u on your bs.

Yeah, it's not bs, so that's why I neg repped you. Go ahead and return it and stop crying. Drama queen.

[xu82]

People, people, we WON! It's a good day. For ALL of us.

[LA Muskie]

Can someone kindly remind me how to put someone on their ignore list?

[Xville]

Yeah, it's not bs, so that's why I neg repped you. Go ahead and return it and stop crying. Drama queen.

You really need to look in the mirror. We won and you are the one trying to start a fight with people on here. I'm guessing you are an adult, but the way you are acting, it's hard to tell.

[xu 89]

I thought the game was officiated well....for 35 mins. The last five minutes were unlike the rest of the game. Some of that has to do with being at home. Some has to do with momentum. Regardless, there were travels being missed all night. The ref should not make that call from behind dee. There was one call made from across the court, that should have been made by the lead or trail official (can't remmber which it was). The call on Farr on UC's final bucket was a call that had been let go all night. The charges....both going against Stain. Not good. I had no real problem with the Techs....even if the call was because 3 years ago. Good call. Not particularly annoyed Jalen on that one, but good call.

It was just frustrating to see the way the game had been called change like it did.

The call on Reynolds at the end was kinda bull and I am surprised he didn't react as such. Look at the replay. He was pushed by Ellis from behind causing Reynolds to bowl Caupain over. The ref was right in front of it and missed it.

[RealDeal]

You really need to look in the mirror. We won and you are the one trying to start a fight with people on here. I'm guessing you are an adult, but the way you are acting, it's hard to tell.

Sorry, I've just never understood people who post crap and then cry about getting neg repped. It's just a message board.

[Xville]

Cry? I just said it was pathetic just like you picking fights with people after a win is pathetic. It's just a message board. On to butler.

[xu82]

On to butler.

YES!

(Even better, Butler on to Cintas, but I get it...)

[Fireball]

So, back to the Jalen technical, I was pretty upset with the call when it happened, and still think it was a very quick whistle. However, with the game back on campus for the first time since the fight, I get that the referees were keep a tight grip on any yapping during the game. I still don't agree with the call, but I understand it

[Xavier]

Sorry, I've just never understood people who post crap and then cry about getting neg repped. It's just a message board.

Well...you started whining after "Dee haters" said he had a great game but let's not act like one game makes a season. It's a message board like you said- people disagree with you and you cry about it.

[BMoreX]

You guys really know how to suck the fun out of a big Crosstown win.

[XU 87]

Ok, back to the game.

I was a the game. But a few questions on some key calls. Did Stainbrook walk? Did Stainbrook charge at the end? And did Stainbrook draw a charge which wasn't called?

From my view the answers were 1) not sure 2) no and 3) yes.

[Xavier]

I think it looked like a travel because it was so slow but on replay it didn't seem like a walk. I think the charge calls have to go both ways. It's either two blocks or two charges.

[xu82]

Ok, back to the game.

I was a the game. But a few questions on some key calls. Did Stainbrook walk? Did Stainbrook charge at the end? And did Stainbrook draw a charge which wasn't called?

From my view the answers were 1) not sure 2) no and 3) yes.

I DO NOT think it was a walk. I thought it was clear, before backing up and watching several more times. Charge/block is always a crap shoot.

[bleedXblue]

I thought the game was officiated well....for 35 mins. The last five minutes were unlike the rest of the game. Some of that has to do with being at home. Some has to do with momentum. Regardless, there were travels being missed all night. The ref should not make that call from behind dee. There was one call made from across the court, that should have been made by the lead or trail official (can't remmber which it was). The call on Farr on UC's final bucket was a call that had been let go all night. The charges....both going against Stain. Not good. I had no real problem with the Techs....even if the call was because 3 years ago. Good call. Not particularly annoyed Jalen on that one, but good call.

It was just frustrating to see the way the game had been called change like it did.

Great points.

[RealDeal]

Well...you started whining after "Dee haters" said he had a great game but let's not act like one game makes a season. It's a message board like you said- people disagree with you and you cry about it.

Yawn. The haters are all attacking me, lord have mercy.

[Xavier]

-Edit-

I rewatched the last 3-4 minutes of the game today a few times. Cant imagine how brutal that loss would have been...up 4 with 2 left. Anyone who didn't realize, you can rewatch the game on watchespn if interested.

[LA Muskie]

Ok, back to the game.

I was a the game. But a few questions on some key calls. Did Stainbrook walk? Did Stainbrook charge at the end? And did Stainbrook draw a charge which wasn't called?

From my view the answers were 1) not sure 2) no and 3) yes.
From my view in front of the TV the answers are (1) YES, (2) YES, and (3) YES. I have not gone back to look at the replay to confirm one way or another. Mostly because I accidentally, instinctively deleted the game already.

[DC Muskie]

Ok, back to the game.

I was a the game. But a few questions on some key calls. Did Stainbrook walk? Did Stainbrook charge at the end? And did Stainbrook draw a charge which wasn't called?

From my view the answers were 1) not sure 2) no and 3) yes.

I watched it a few times.

1. No
2. Hell No
3. Yes

Anyone who thinks Stain charged at the end has a fundamental misunderstanding of basketball. The was the text book example of poor positioning by the official who made the call. There's a reason there is one ref on the baseline and two guys out on the wings. We have three refs to prevent terrible calls like the one on Stain in that moment.

The travel was called because everyone in the building was shocked that Stain was able to move like that. It happens in games, where refs call things because the crowd thinks a call should be made. You learn to live it with.

But the charge call on Stain is one that should never, ever happen. Two guys who had better position did not call a thing because that's what basketball is.

[Xavier]

I agree wasnt that refs call to make. I feel like both instances the defender flopped, one time called a charge the other a block.

[DC Muskie]

I actually don't think it was well officiated. Rivalry games are tough to begin with, but really the intensity in the game wasn't that high, when you compare it to Shootouts of the past.

The double tech was a joke. And it has been all year. Technicals in and of themselves do not always tone things down. Especially when the game isn't chippy. As refs you might get points from terrible TV game announcers who think this stuff is good, but really the double tech started making the game more intense.

Also, I found it funny that Calhoun kept saying "they are letting them play" except for about 9 minutes in the second half where they were calling things close.

[waggy]

I
Also, I found it funny that Calhoun kept saying "they are letting them play" except for about 9 minutes in the second half where they were calling things close.


His insights into the game were crap. If you didn't know the guy had multiple national championship you'd of thought ESPN got him off craigslist. Maybe it really is all about talent.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Ok, back to the game.

I was a the game. But a few questions on some key calls. Did Stainbrook walk? Did Stainbrook charge at the end? And did Stainbrook draw a charge which wasn't called?

From my view the answers were 1) not sure 2) no and 3) yes.

My thoughts were he did not walk, he did not charge (total flop and late call), but he also didnt draw the charge.

[mid major]

Two more questions. 1) Was that traveling on Dee? 2) I'm not sure if it were Caupain but it looked like a clear carry and the announcers made a point to mention it and the zebras did nothing but swallow their whistles. It just seemed like the officials were trying to even things up.

[DC Muskie]

His insights into the game were crap. If you didn't know the guy had multiple national championship you'd of thought ESPN got him off craigslist. Maybe it really is all about talent.

If they got him off craigslist they were following Butler's lead in their recent head coaching search.

[DC Muskie]

Two more questions. 1) Was that traveling on Dee? 2) I'm not sure if it were Caupain but it looked like a clear carry and the announcers made a point to mention it and the zebras did nothing but swallow their whistles. It just seemed like the officials were trying to even things up.

That's what happens at road games, especially if they are rivalries.

One thing that always cracks me up about Coach K is, at halftime, every time, he sends an assistant to talk to the media, while he spends a good few minutes talking to the refs. Watch next time. It doesn't matter what the score is, that's what he does. It's hilarious.

Also, I should note, I would be a terrible ref. Absolutely terrible.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Just looked again at the Stainbrook "travel", horrible call. Took two full steps and nothing more, great move by Matt.

[DC Muskie]

Just looked again at the Stainbrook "travel", horrible call. Took two full steps and nothing more, great move by Matt.

But everyone in that terrible arena freaked out, so therefore a terrible call was made.

[xu82]

Just looked again at the Stainbrook "travel", horrible call. Took two full steps and nothing more, great move by Matt.

Text book beauty.

[XUFan09]

But everyone in that terrible arena freaked out, so therefore a terrible call was made.
Yup, it really was a perfect example of refs' home-team bias. The whistle was really late after the crowd whined. As you said before, though, the big issue is that the farthest ref called it and not the one standing in front of the play. A ref needs to trust his team.

[coasterville95]

So, if you are a school that just suffered a heart wrenching defeat by your crosstown rival, how to you deflect yours fans attention away from the loss?

You release your next seasons football schedule!

[wkrq59]

You guys really know how to suck the fun out of a big Crosstown win.

Don't include all of us..make it "Some of you guys---"I have been on both of these boards for more years than I care to count and there are certain people who after a Xavier victory will either find or manufacture something to bitch about. Such is life, especially if they are closeted UC fans posting on a Xavier site to stir sh!t. So, as I offer this platitude--not beatitude--Blessed are ther Sh!t disturbers, for they shall provoke thought." And by corollary, "Blessed are the sh!t disturbers, for they shall urine-off other posters who shall produce gems of amusement and cause deeper thought." And never forget; 76-53, 64-47, 59-57.

[wkrq59]

His insights into the game were crap. If you didn't know the guy had multiple national championship you'd of thought ESPN got him off craigslist. Maybe it really is all about talent.

I very carefully listened to Jim Calhoun throughout the entire game and found him to offer: A great perspective of what he would do as a coach, comments that actually appeared to be more favorable to Xavier than many of the so-called expert color people, his observations were accurate and 99% of the time turned out to be appropriate.

[XU05]

After watching the game over a couple of times via DVR, I find myself feeling exactly the same way as I felt after watching the game initially. We weren't just LUCKY to leave the Shoe with a victory, we had earned it. From top to bottom, this team earned their victory. Aside from the obvious fact that we needed this rivalry, road win given the way this season was trending, our team put it all together. In the first half, we relied on our two senior cogs in the offense, as we saw Dee save us with clutch three after clutch three as the shot clock, and game clock, burned down before both teams headed to the locker room. Matt's first half contributions were a rollercoaster, as the turnovers and the defense were both ugly, but he scored timely buckets on his way to a 3-3 from the field, 6 pt. first half. Our first half performance was characterized, rightly so, by our opportune shooting from beyond the arc. Its easy to deem this team's performance in the first half as luck, but it was more than that. We took advantage of UC's zone defense, which was considered one of the stiffest in the country (compared to the likes of Louisville). Their zone dares the 1-3s on the floor to shoot, which we took advantage of. Dee and Myles caught fire, and JP buried his first crosstown triple attempt. Our perimeter offense paved the way for a 12-pt halftime lead, capped by Dee's contested triple with only seconds remaining on the game clock.

Going into halftime, I was elated; however, not everything was going in our favor. Matt's performance and decision-making, which Mack has so steadily relied on the past two seasons, had been highly questionable. Six turnovers from a senior center in a decisive game is unacceptable. I realize our installed offense runs through his presence, and that he has been the reason we have been a factor nationally the past couple years, but his play as of late has been nothing to write home about. He has looked more than a bit out of it, presumably(/hopefully) by this supposed injury that has been hampering him. While I hope that this is the case, Jalen has been everything that we could have asked for coming into the season. While his attitude and decision-making can at times stir up controversy, one thing hasn't changed; Jalen has given endless amounts of emotion and effort. In a half where Mack seemed content watching Dee, Myles, and a weak Stain get blocked at the rim whilst getting worked on the defensive end, Jalen remained strong and poised. We could point to his missed dunk attempt in the second half that appeared a momentum-changer, but I hope we can all agree that we would prefer an emphatic Jalen dunk attempt over a weak, predictably left-handed layup attempt from Matt. Our X-Factor Jalen helped cover up our strategic blemishes.

Personally, I feel that Mack felt the pressure to make heavier second half adjustments than needed to be made. We rid ourselves of what was working in the first half, and settled for getting blocked at the rim offensively and getting worked at the rim defensively. If it weren't for some timely James Farr buckets (his performance will forever be underappreciated) and Jalen's ability to take the ball strong to the hole and at the very least get fouled, we would have fallen victim to the Cincinnati switch from zone to man. While Cincinnati guards predictably bricked perimeter attempts as a switch up from Ellis' and Clark's dominance under the rim, Xavier happened to continue their success beyond the arc, cashing in on their three point attempts. Mack and Stainbrook could have easily owned the blame for the second half meltdown that had occurred resulting in us being down a pair, but ultimately, we realized that our best bet was to fire a second three of the half (after Farr banged the first). In a beautifully drawn up play following a Mack timeout with under a minute left, our senior point guard [8 asts, 1 (questionable) TO] hit the biggest three of the year thus far. On the other end, after an unsuccessful Stainbrook grasp of a rebound, Caupain managed to give UC the lead with under 30 seconds left.

This leads us to the best moment of the game. Freshman Trevon Bluiett, who despite offering his best disappearing act up to this point (0 pts in about a season-low 10 minutes), was sent to the line on a mind-numbingly dumb foul. After getting a highly generous bounce on the first attempt, Bluiett, who doesn't even dribble before firing from the line, sunk the second attempt all net. BALLS reminiscent of only Tu Holloway's after drawing the three attempts in the instant classic K St. game. UC is forced to respond in under 20 seconds, and the best shot they can manage is an off-balance, albeit uncontested, three from Farad Cobb. A perfect box-out from Myles David assured us a victory.

And now the fallout from the game, featuring an echo of Cincinnati fans who can only hope for an invite to the Big XII in order for a program-wide turnaround. After every shootout, the future of the rivalry is called into question. Is it worth it for UC to risk a loss to the smaller, private school located in the same city? Recently (post-brawl yada yada yada), do school presidents want to continue risking university reputation in order to have their teams compete in front of public eye? The answer should always be yes, as the game draws widespread attention and retains a relative uncertainty as to who is going to win every given year. The 2015 Crosstown Shootout was a definite success, and both teams appear to be headed in the right direction for the future.
Selfishly, I like nothing more than to hear my UC friends complain about how Xavier always happens to play at their highest level against their team as evidenced by Dee's 5-5 performance from three. He was due however, while still maintaining a 32% 3pt FG percentage despite shooting 18% in 14 conference games. The UC fan complaints about Xavier's superior recruiting, conference affiliation, and player development have me actually believing for once that UC has become a football school. Long live the Crosstown Shootout, and may things continue to fall Xavier's way the rest of the season, as this team deserves to earn some NCAA tournament experience .:clap::clap::clap::clap:

[Masterofreality]

And now the fallout from the game, featuring an echo of Cincinnati fans who can only hope for an invite to the Big XII in order for a program-wide turnaround. After every shootout, the future of the rivalry is called into question. Is it worth it for UC to risk a loss to the smaller, private school located in the same city? Recently (post-brawl yada yada yada), do school presidents want to continue risking university reputation in order to have their teams compete in front of public eye? The answer should always be yes, as the game draws widespread attention and retains a relative uncertainty as to who is going to win every given year. The 2015 Crosstown Shootout was a definite success, and both teams appear to be headed in the right direction for the future.
Selfishly, I like nothing more than to hear my UC friends complain about how Xavier always happens to play at their highest level against their team as evidenced by Dee's 5-5 performance from three. He was due however, while still maintaining a 32% 3pt FG percentage despite shooting 18% in 14 conference games. The UC fan complaints about Xavier's superior recruiting, conference affiliation, and player development have me actually believing for once that UC has become a football school. Long live the Crosstown Shootout, and may things continue to fall Xavier's way the rest of the season, as this team deserves to earn some NCAA tournament experience .:clap::clap::clap::clap:

Great post.

A) Great game and it was clean, other than an overreaction by Jamie "Look at Me" Luckie who just HAD to call a T...because he was waiting for the chance. Two teams going at it with no trace of dirty play.
B) As opposed to what your SucKS fans think, we most assuredly did NOT play our best game. We played an average game. Dee played great, but that is what a TEAM is all about. Some guys play great to pick up other guys who aren't playing so well.
C) X IS in a superior conference with superior recruitjng and a superior coach. The Borecats are in deep trouble as opposed to being the #HottestCollegeInAmerica. (Nice try Santa) Despite the shilling, I'm still not seeing a big groundswell in the Big 12 to add SucKS. I'll bet Thuggy would like it because he could make a trip to the scene of his crimes every year, but mo one else. When you can't get more than 6-7k a basketball game and less than 30,000 for football games, you are not very attractive and bring nothing to the table.

[kyxu]

Just looked again at the Stainbrook "travel", horrible call. Took two full steps and nothing more, great move by Matt.


But everyone in that terrible arena freaked out, so therefore a terrible call was made.

Those fans were amusing to say the least. Even after UC's deliberate foul on Myles Davis' game-clinching rebound, a foul UC had to commit, the student section was still doing the "BULL shit" chant.

[Fireball]

Ok, back to the game.

I was a the game. But a few questions on some key calls. Did Stainbrook walk? Did Stainbrook charge at the end? And did Stainbrook draw a charge which wasn't called?

From my view the answers were 1) not sure 2) no and 3) yes.

It's all comparison in my opinion. I have less issue with the specific calls than the fact that it wasn't called consistently. On the Stainbrook charge, if you're going to call that a charge, then you have the call the play were he got knocked down by the UC player (DeBerry?) a charge.

On Stainbrook's travel, Jalen had a play just like that one a few minutes before which wasn't called a travel. If you give Jalen that play, then you have to give Stainbrook his as well. Be consistent. That's all we're asking for.

[X-man]

It's all comparison in my opinion. I have less issue with the specific calls than the fact that it wasn't called consistently. On the Stainbrook charge, if you're going to call that a charge, then you have the call the play were he got knocked down by the UC player (DeBerry?) a charge.

On Stainbrook's travel, Jalen had a play just like that one a few minutes before which wasn't called a travel. If you give Jalen that play, then you have to give Stainbrook his as well. Be consistent. That's all we're asking for.

+1

[D-West & PO-Z]

Those fans were amusing to say the least. Even after UC's deliberate foul on Myles Davis' game-clinching rebound, a foul UC had to commit, the student section was still doing the "BULL shit" chant.

I was trying to figure out what they were chanting bull shit about. I was thinking maybe it was the previous foul call on Clark from before they were still pissed about because it doesnt make sense otherwise.

[D-West & PO-Z]

It's all comparison in my opinion. I have less issue with the specific calls than the fact that it wasn't called consistently. On the Stainbrook charge, if you're going to call that a charge, then you have the call the play were he got knocked down by the UC player (DeBerry?) a charge.

On Stainbrook's travel, Jalen had a play just like that one a few minutes before which wasn't called a travel. If you give Jalen that play, then you have to give Stainbrook his as well. Be consistent. That's all we're asking for.

I get being consistent on the block charge call and agree with that but I dont care what they called or didnt call on Jalen's move the refs just flat out blew that travel call on Stainbrook. He took two steps. Two big steps, but just two. Blown call.

[kyxu]

I was trying to figure out what they were chanting bull shit about. I was thinking maybe it was the previous foul call on Clark from before they were still pissed about because it doesnt make sense otherwise.

You may be right, which is strange that they were still pissed about that. Further, it was a clear foul. Even Clark was upset with himself after the game for committing the foul on Trevon.

[Milhouse]

I love perusing the UC boards after this game. Some of them questioning is X a better program? etc... how they've owned them last several years recent success etc....

The thing they don't get is this: The fact that this is even an argument or DEBATABLE shows two things: a) how far Xavier has come in 20 years. b) How far UC has fallen in 20 years.

I'm biased but to me it obviously wasn't even a debate among the craziest of Xavier fans. Now you have lifelong UC fans debating that. I'd be FURIOUS if I was a season ticketholder from when 5/3 opened and this is the product I watched now. On the flipside think of all our season ticketholders from the Garden Days to now.

Welcome to 2015 y'all.

[X-Fan]

I love perusing the UC boards after this game. Some of them questioning is X a better program? etc... how they've owned them last several years recent success etc....

The thing they don't get is this: The fact that this is even an argument or DEBATABLE shows two things: a) how far Xavier has come in 20 years. b) How far UC has fallen in 20 years.

I'm biased but to me it obviously wasn't even a debate among the craziest of Xavier fans. Now you have lifelong UC fans debating that. I'd be FURIOUS if I was a season ticketholder from when 5/3 opened and this is the product I watched now. On the flipside think of all our season ticketholders from the Garden Days to now.

Welcome to 2015 y'all.
Ab-so-freaking-lutely! After the game I tweeted about winning 11 of 16 and X owning the city. That statement in itself, compared to where we were when I was a senior at Moeller HS (and had my own season tickets for the 95-96 season), is amazing. My mindset for this game was molded in the 90's. X, and their fans, had to scrap for every piece of respect they got (and usually didn't get). I envy the young Xavier fan today that can tell their UC counterparts to "get bent" when it comes to the two programs. I had MANY an argument with the lemming UC fans that I went to school with.

Won 11 of the last 16 vs UC
Nearly every year in the NCAA Tourney
2 Elite 8's, and 3 Sweet 16's in the last 11 years
Consistently getting top recruits, and beating other top school for those recruits
Big East Conference Member
Team that is loaded with talented Sophomores and Freshmen

The future is bright my friends! It's always a great day to be a Xavier Musketeer!

Go X!!!!

[Masterofreality]

Ab-so-freaking-lutely! After the game I tweeted about winning 11 of 16 and X owing the city. That statement in itself, compared to where we were when I was a senior at Moeller HS (and had my own season tickets for the 95-96 season), is amazing. My mindset for this game was molded in the 90's. X, and their fans, had to scrap for every piece of respect they got (and usually didn't get). I envy the young Xavier fan today that can tell their UC counterparts to "get bent" when it comes to the two programs. I had MANY an argument with the lemming UC fans that I went to school with.

Won 11 of the last 16 vs UC
Nearly every year in the NCAA Tourney
2 Elite 8's, and 3 Sweet 16's in the last 11 years
Consistently getting top recruits, and beating other top school for those recruits
Big East Conference Member
Team that is loaded with talented Sophomores and Freshmen

The future is bright by friends! It's always a great day to be a Xavier Musketeer!

Go X!!!!

Since Bob Staak- X -21 wins, SucKS -15 wins. That also covers all BeelzeBob years.

Last 20 : X 13-7
Last 15: X 10-5
Last 10: X 7-3

Debate over.

[Xavier]

I hate UC and I think they are always going to be the same unless they get a new coach. Having said that, I do consider what Mick did to be a solid coaching job in the Big East after the Huggins debacle. Not easy to do, especially in the old Big East. Still, he took them as far as he can.

[Caveat]

I love perusing the UC boards after this game. Some of them questioning is X a better program? etc... how they've owned them last several years recent success etc....

The thing they don't get is this: The fact that this is even an argument or DEBATABLE shows two things: a) how far Xavier has come in 20 years. b) How far UC has fallen in 20 years.

I'm biased but to me it obviously wasn't even a debate among the craziest of Xavier fans. Now you have lifelong UC fans debating that. I'd be FURIOUS if I was a season ticketholder from when 5/3 opened and this is the product I watched now. On the flipside think of all our season ticketholders from the Garden Days to now.

Welcome to 2015 y'all.

The change in UC from the 90s to today is pretty similar to what happened at The U in football -- went from a program of questionable characters and world-class talent and swagger to just another bunch of dudes looking up in the rafters to remember how things used to be.