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Mack or someone has to get thru to this kid before he gets suspended. He has to get his temper under control. Silly fouls are one thing, silly techs, if you get enough of them will get you suspended, and get you a bad rep with refs. That, in turn will lead to borderline calls ending up as techs. Also opposing coaches will start having one of their lesser bigs bait him to get him tossed from a game. He's very talented , but his temper is waaaaaay out of control, and if it's not fixed it will be trouble for him and for X.
Last night the game was over, and he get stuffed twice by Fischer, so he decides to throw him across the floor. What if it had been a tight game. Maybe we need a team psychiatrist.
Kahns Krazy
02-11-2015, 11:41 AM
He didn't throw him across the floor. Let's keep a little perspective here. It was a dead ball technical, nothing more.
nuts4xu
02-11-2015, 11:48 AM
Is this accurate? How many does it take to get suspended? I think JR has 7 or 8 so far, it seems he would have been suspended already if such a rule exists.
I love the energy, emotion, and passion he plays with. I want to see him be more controlled, but I don't want to take away what makes him who he is either. I already think he has a target on his back, and he doesn't get many "benefit of the doubt" calls. If he can find a way to harness his energy and stay out of foul trouble, he will collect a bunch of awards during his college career.
Woodburn
02-11-2015, 11:50 AM
WHEN (not if) X wins a National Championship, someone will come on here on Tuesday a.m. to complain about the inflection in Jim Nantz's voice immediately before they play One Shining Moment.
THRILLHOUSE
02-11-2015, 11:53 AM
He didn't throw him across the floor. Let's keep a little perspective here. It was a dead ball technical, nothing more.
And it was a bit of a flop from Fisher. Really wasn't that hard of a "throw" by Jalen.
sgarcia
02-11-2015, 11:59 AM
And it was a bit of a flop from Fisher. Really wasn't that hard of a "throw" by Jalen.
There was no need to touch Fischer up 20 at the end of the game. It was just a bad move on Jalen's part and it's a pattern that has gone on for most of the season.
Another kid flopped at the end of the first half in a recent game (forget who). It cost us points needlessly. You win and lose based on points. I love Jalen, but he's got to seriously cut back on this silly crap! Once is not a big deal. Twice? OK. But this is a pattern.
Cheesehead
02-11-2015, 12:10 PM
I think we all want Jalen to cut this crap out. I do like his passion but there has to be way to handle it properly. I suspect this is the real reason why Jalen doesn't start. Mack had a very lenghty conversation w/ him on the bench after that technical. It's a immaturity issue. I think he will get it figured out or X will figure it out for him. Meaning, sitting the pine.
muskienick
02-11-2015, 12:11 PM
There was no need to touch Fischer up 20 at the end of the game. It was just a bad move on Jalen's part and it's a pattern that has gone on for most of the season.
Hence the long and heartfelt "message" sent to Jalen from Coach Mack upon Jalen's return to the bench!
sgarcia
02-11-2015, 12:16 PM
Hence the long and heartfelt "message" sent to Jalen from Coach Mack upon Jalen's return to the bench!
That was his 7th T of the year. The heartfelt message should've come after the 2nd T of the year. If the message was given several weeks ago and Reynolds is still getting T'd up repeatedly then it is a serious problem that will cost us at some point.
XMuskieFTW
02-11-2015, 12:24 PM
I love Jalen's fire. When it comes to a guy who is as tough nosed and fiery as Jalen, he's going to get some technicals. That I have no problem with. There is a limit though, and he's dangerously close. He's not far from getting tossed from a game for taking it too far. Obviously it cannot get to that point. To be fair, I'd say at least 3 of his technicals were double techs, so I don't see those as being as bad. Rasheed Wallace was a million times worse than Jalen and he still was a great player that overall contributed very positively for his teams. Jalen is still young and he'll tone it down over time. He's never played as many minutes in as many intense games. The fire we saw from him in the Providence game is well worth trading for a tech now and then.
bjf123
02-11-2015, 12:30 PM
What's the over/under on how long it takes him to get T'd up at the Shootout, and if he'll get ejected? I'm going with 26 minutes and yes.
He really needs to get better control of his emotions.
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XUFan09
02-11-2015, 12:31 PM
That was his 7th T of the year. The heartfelt message should've come after the 2nd T of the year. If the message was given several weeks ago and Reynolds is still getting T'd up repeatedly then it is a serious problem that will cost us at some point.
You think it didn't? I said this on another board before concerning his personal foul rate, but Jalen's gonna Jalen, for good or bad. Hopefully the bad part can be tempered more as his career develops.
muskieindent
02-11-2015, 12:36 PM
What's the over/under on how long it takes him to get T'd up at the Shootout, and if he'll get ejected? I'm going with 26 minutes and yes.
He really needs to get better control of his emotions.
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He might get it during pre game warmups.UC fans will be all over him.
casualfan
02-11-2015, 12:47 PM
I don't have an issue with a guy getting one every now and again, but I didn't realize he had quite that many.
7 techs in 25 games is a pretty fair amount especially considering I don't remember him getting many (any?) during the early portion of the schedule.
That's more than one tech every four games and if what my feeling is about them being bunched together in the latter portion of the season is true than it is even more than that.
It hasn't been an issue because of our front court depth, but with Matt seemingly hurting it could be one if he manages to get ejected.
It will certainly be something to keep an eye on going into next year as we'll need him on the court for 30+ a night next season.
XUFan09
02-11-2015, 12:51 PM
He's received a technical in four out of the last six games.
I just hope that when Mack was having words with Jalen on the bench after the incident he was able to get through to him about the difference between showing toughness and showing stupidity. One wins games. One loses games.
Hoping the talk was something like, "These technicals are not good for you and they are killing the team. I love your energy but from now on you've gotta promise me you won't do the following: push a player, tug at a player, swing at a player, throw a player to the ground, touch a player on their head, stand over and taunt a player, kick a player, spit on a player, or give an unsuspecting player a wet willy. Other than that, keep doing what you are doing."
XUOHTX
02-11-2015, 01:11 PM
What's the over/under on how long it takes him to get T'd up at the Shootout, and if he'll get ejected? I'm going with 26 minutes and yes.
He really needs to get better control of his emotions.
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I already told my UC cousin Jalen will be tossed, he'll get one for hanging on the rim and one for shoving and jawing.
Milhouse
02-11-2015, 01:27 PM
Absolutely NO way we make it out of there with no techs. I'm sure Jalen and JP each have one.
Jalen doesn't even really talk smack, he's just such an emotional player that it frustrates others. JP on the other hand talks a ton.
STL_XUfan
02-11-2015, 01:33 PM
I already told my UC cousin Jalen will be tossed, he'll get one for hanging on the rim and one for shoving and jawing.
I would parlay that bet with that at least one of the T's comes because an incident that J.P. starts.
American X
02-11-2015, 01:58 PM
give an unsuspecting player a wet willy
That is preposterous. Jalen Reynolds would never give an unsuspecting player a wet willy...
...but J.P. Macura would......and probably will.
Backyard Champ
02-11-2015, 02:27 PM
And it was a bit of a flop from Fisher. Really wasn't that hard of a "throw" by Jalen.
Don't tell DC Muskie that.
I'm also concerned with the constant talking to the refs, calling the game for them, and jawing with opponents. He's getting a rep that will be costing him the benefit of the doubt.
His suspension last year was in significant part taking back to the coaching staff. He's grown as a player, but not as a smart player. Can we transplant Dee's focus to Jalen? That would be a player!
Just play and go on to the next possession.
X-band '01
02-11-2015, 02:40 PM
I already told my UC cousin Jalen will be tossed, he'll get one for hanging on the rim and one for shoving and jawing.
Hanging on the rim is a Class B technical (just like calling a timeout that you don't have) - that combo of techs by itself would not give Jalen the heave-ho.
That is preposterous. Jalen Reynolds would never give an unsuspecting player a wet willy...
...but J.P. Macura would......and probably will.
... at about the 7:45 mark of the UC game.
X-Fan
02-11-2015, 03:00 PM
I'm also concerned with the constant talking to the refs, calling the game for them, and jawing with opponents. He's getting a rep that will be costing him the benefit of the doubt.
His suspension last year was in significant part taking back to the coaching staff. He's grown as a player, but not as a smart player. Can we transplant Dee's focus to Jalen? That would be a player!
Just play and go on to the next possession.
That is preposterous. Jalen Reynolds would never give an unsuspecting player a wet willy...
...but J.P. Macura would......and probably will.
... at about the 7:45 mark of the UC game.
Hopefully Coach reminds the team that UC players simply cannot handle "not nice" words. Clearly, a "punch first" mentality would go over better with the media. #stillbitter
Juice
02-11-2015, 03:06 PM
Hanging on the rim is a Class B technical (just like calling a timeout that you don't have) - that combo of techs by itself would not give Jalen the heave-ho.
The hanging on the rim technical rule is the dumbest rule in basketball.
LadyMuskie
02-11-2015, 03:13 PM
If Jalen and/or JP get T'd up at The Shoe, or whatever the hell they call it these days, then I really think we should pick up our basketball, whine about feeling unsafe and demand that all future shootouts be played at the only real arena in town, Cintas. #alsostillbitterlikex-fan #GodIHateuc
XUFan09
02-11-2015, 03:13 PM
The hanging on the rim technical rule is the dumbest rule in basketball.
And refs are too quick to call it. Sometimes a guy is still hanging because he's waiting for space to clear so he can hop down.
XUMIOH12
02-11-2015, 03:50 PM
In the NBA you get suspended for a certain amount of Technical fouls, but I'm pretty sure that's not the case in college. No need to worry about him getting suspended.
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That is preposterous. Jalen Reynolds would never give an unsuspecting player a wet willy...
So, are you saying they're all suspecting it?
ammtd34
02-11-2015, 04:07 PM
And refs are too quick to call it. Sometimes a guy is still hanging because he's waiting for space to clear so he can hop down.
Kendall Pollard got a ridiculous one earlier in the year. He was on a dead sprint and went parallel with the ground with a teammate underneath him on the dunk. He literally held on so he didn't crack his head open.
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wkrq59
02-11-2015, 04:23 PM
For a Flagrant 2 Technical Foul you are suspended for the next game.
It is foolish to bring up the "brawl" UC game in Cintas in which the Guian kid or however you spell his name initiated the brawl and Xavier officials way over-reacted to everything. The whole mess will come up again this year and next at Cintas and really should be forgotten, especially the post game interviews. BTW, Luther Smith is still employed by Xavier. The entire mess should be erased from memory.
nasdadjr
02-11-2015, 04:25 PM
Couldn't disagree with you more. I have only read your message but am glad that someone on Xavier is showing a little attitude for once since the brawl. Now I am not advocating fighting or anything like that cause that has no place in the game, but if someone on this team gets a little chippy and pissed off and gets a T after something happens then so be it. This is not the NBA one T does not have any affect on the ruling of other technicals. If Jalen averages one technical a game cause he dropped F bombs on the court he would not be suspended.
As a guy I played football with in college once told our coach after a 15 yard personal foul... Coach I don't start no shit...but I won't take no shit either.
DC Muskie
02-11-2015, 07:34 PM
And it was a bit of a flop from Fisher. Really wasn't that hard of a "throw" by Jalen.
It was a "bit" of a flop and wasn't "that hard" of a throw. Okay?
Don't tell DC Muskie that.
I'm not sure what this means.
Jalen got stuffed twice. He then put his arm around the kid as they both moved and basically switched spots. Jalen grabbed the kid's jersey and threw him on the ground.
Now Fisher did not in fact die, which is good. Nor was he seriously hurt, also good.
But he did not flop, not even a "bit." I'm not sure how you would even measure it. And it was hard enough to receive a tech, which in the end is all that freaking matters.
Seriously Champ, I don't know what point you are trying to make. 99% of the fan base didn't like it. You even thought he shouldn't have done it. All I want is it to stop before it really hurts the team. Which I think Mack agrees with, hence the talk on the bench.
Love the tough play, but plenty of players are tough, without resorting to some of things Jalen has been doing lately.
XUFan09
02-11-2015, 08:01 PM
I thought Fischer was a little off-balance, as evidenced by the fact that he fell when Reynolds didn't follow through on his push at all, but I don't think he flopped. It was a frustration foul involving getting tangled up with the guy and shoving him away. It was nothing egregious; it was just stupid.
MuskiePimp23
02-12-2015, 01:27 AM
Watch the replay to the end of the Xavier-Providence game after Jalen's dunk, JP gets the steal and passes the ball, then proceeds to run down the lane and do a flying chest bump to Jalen, almost knocking him into another Providence player. I think if he would have collided with another Providence player, then a brawl may have ensued. That was a great situation that very nearly could have been another disaster. I mean Jalen was inches from just drilling that Providence player after JP trucked into him. That was not the smartest of decisions either with the game in hand at that point.
Kahns Krazy
02-12-2015, 05:18 AM
If you watch our pre game warm up, guys are just throwing the ball around to each other in a reckless "passing" motion. If one of those balls sails to the other side of the court and smacks an opponent in the face, it could start a brawl. I sure hope we have a reflection session on the dangerous on the court activity soon.
X-Fan
02-12-2015, 06:38 AM
If you watch our pre game warm up, guys are just throwing the ball around to each other in a reckless "passing" motion. If one of those balls sails to the other side of the court and smacks an opponent in the face, it could start a brawl. I sure hope we have a reflection session on the dangerous on the court activity soon.
LOL! Reps!
I mean, give me a break. There was a fight. It happened over three years ago, and the "worst" part of the fight was the words said (not the punching and shoving). Some get pissed and call the team soft, but then get worried when they show any sign of aggression.
Masterofreality
02-12-2015, 08:43 AM
It was a "bit" of a flop and wasn't "that hard" of a throw. Okay?
I'm not sure what this means.
Jalen got stuffed twice. He then put his arm around the kid as they both moved and basically switched spots. Jalen grabbed the kid's jersey and threw him on the ground.
Now Fisher did not in fact die, which is good. Nor was he seriously hurt, also good.
But he did not flop, not even a "bit." I'm not sure how you would even measure it. And it was hard enough to receive a tech, which in the end is all that freaking matters.
Seriously Champ, I don't know what point you are trying to make. 99% of the fan base didn't like it. You even thought he shouldn't have done it. All I want is it to stop before it really hurts the team. Which I think Mack agrees with, hence the talk on the bench.
Love the tough play, but plenty of players are tough, without resorting to some of things Jalen has been doing lately.
I agree 100% with DC on this. Jalen is developing beautifully in many ways, but he has to stop doing idiot stuff because of flash emotion.
Posterize guys, but then turn around and go play defense. If a guy stuffs you, get his ass the next time. THINK!
MuskiePimp23
02-12-2015, 08:47 AM
KK, my point is JP and Reynolds play with emotion, but also do some very stupid things. Jalen's technical against Marquette was just pure stupidity. The fight was a joke, but those are the kinds of things when teams think they are getting shown up and you rub it in their face that will start a brawl.
mistabeecee41
02-12-2015, 09:36 AM
meh. It's going to bite us in the ass at one point, but I'll take Jalen and his T's over the pansy ball we've seen over the last couple of years. Do you guys want Jeff Robinson back? He was a good guy and helped opposing players off of the ground.
Tardy Turtle
02-12-2015, 10:18 AM
Watch the replay to the end of the Xavier-Providence game after Jalen's dunk, JP gets the steal and passes the ball, then proceeds to run down the lane and do a flying chest bump to Jalen, almost knocking him into another Providence player. I think if he would have collided with another Providence player, then a brawl may have ensued. That was a great situation that very nearly could have been another disaster. I mean Jalen was inches from just drilling that Providence player after JP trucked into him. That was not the smartest of decisions either with the game in hand at that point.
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LadyMuskie
02-12-2015, 10:47 AM
The fight was a joke, but those are the kinds of things when teams think they are getting shown up and you rub it in their face that will start a brawl.
Sure. Makes perfect sense.
It's like I told grandma the last time we all played Sorry on family game night - "Sorry me one more time and gloat about it, old lady, and I'm no longer responsible for the beat down that comes your way. Rubbing it in my face gives me every right to start a brawl, grandma! You know what you're doing!"
Watch the replay to the end of the Xavier-Providence game after Jalen's dunk, JP gets the steal and passes the ball, then proceeds to run down the lane and do a flying chest bump to Jalen, almost knocking him into another Providence player. I think if he would have collided with another Providence player, then a brawl may have ensued. That was a great situation that very nearly could have been another disaster.
Another disaster? Are you referring to The Brawl? If so, Jalen bumping into someone isn't quite comparable to anything Mark Lyons would do in any given game, or Tu Holloway running passed the UC bench and telling them he owns the city. I don't think these players are as temperamental as you're making them out to be.
Sure. Makes perfect sense.
It's like I told grandma the last time we all played Sorry on family game night - "Sorry me one more time and gloat about it, old lady, and I'm no longer responsible for the beat down that comes your way. Rubbing it in my face gives me every right to start a brawl, grandma! You know what you're doing!"
Grandma's got it comin'!
(Watch out... I hear she's fiesty.)
Juice
02-12-2015, 12:02 PM
If you're a player and trash talking gets you mad or upset then either grow up or get better at basketball. I don't get why people get so uptight over what players say to each other during a basketball game.
RealDeal
02-12-2015, 12:25 PM
If you're a player and trash talking gets you mad or upset then either grow up or get better at basketball. I don't get why people get so uptight over what players say to each other during a basketball game.
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Not Larry!
LA Muskie
02-12-2015, 12:54 PM
I'm solidly in the DC, 09, and MOR camp on this. Not that they needed my support.
Masterofreality
02-12-2015, 02:31 PM
I'm solidly in the DC, 09, and MOR camp on this. Not that they needed my support.
Having the Law on your side is always a good thing. :biggrin:
RoseyMuskie
02-12-2015, 05:16 PM
If you watch our pre game warm up, guys are just throwing the ball around to each other in a reckless "passing" motion. If one of those balls sails to the other side of the court and smacks an opponent in the face, it could start a brawl. I sure hope we have a reflection session on the dangerous on the court activity soon.
Which reminds me - the student who shoots the half court shot at X games should totally just "shoot" the ball into the opponents huddle. Would be the definition of moxie.
MuskiePimp23
02-12-2015, 08:24 PM
Another disaster? Are you referring to The Brawl? If so, Jalen bumping into someone isn't quite comparable to anything Mark Lyons would do in any given game, or Tu Holloway running passed the UC bench and telling them he owns the city. I don't think these players are as temperamental as you're making them out to be.
No, the brawl and overreaction was just stupid. What I am concerned about is Jalen getting a tech in a close game that costs us 2 shots and the ball, and/or Reynolds fouling out or being ejected and not on the court. Or he gets a Flagrant 2 and gets suspended. That crap will cost us potentially for our postseason chances. I love his fire just get some of these little things under control and he will really flourish. I loved Tu an Mark and if anything this team needs more of that, but for the most part Tu and Mark were smart about it and Jalen does dumb stuff all the time.
Watch the Xavier-Marquette game and how he just runs into people or bumps him and the Marquette players go complaining to the officials about it. We get the wrong officiating crew and they start calling that and Jalen isn't on the floor to help us out and that is the biggest concern I have. For us to realize our potential, we need Jalen on the court and playing to his potential.
DC Muskie
02-12-2015, 09:52 PM
No, the brawl and overreaction was just stupid. What I am concerned about is Jalen getting a tech in a close game that costs us 2 shots and the ball, and/or Reynolds fouling out or being ejected and not on the court. Or he gets a Flagrant 2 and gets suspended. That crap will cost us potentially for our postseason chances. I love his fire just get some of these little things under control and he will really flourish. I loved Tu an Mark and if anything this team needs more of that, but for the most part Tu and Mark were smart about it and Jalen does dumb stuff all the time.
Watch the Xavier-Marquette game and how he just runs into people or bumps him and the Marquette players go complaining to the officials about it. We get the wrong officiating crew and they start calling that and Jalen isn't on the floor to help us out and that is the biggest concern I have. For us to realize our potential, we need Jalen on the court and playing to his potential.
On top of that, look at the time where they were complaining and how many cheap fouls were called on us when we were on defense immediately after.
Jalen has the ability to dominate a game on both ends. This other stuff is a way he thinks he can get in the head of his opponent. You know who could get in the head of his opponents? David Freakin' West. And he did it by dropping 47 and 18. Jalen can be and is almost pretty much a destructive force on defense, and like I said, his offensive game is nice. If he focuses on that, then bumping people constantly will be a thing of the past.
It's up to him really. When opponents start to complain, it will easily turn into fouls because refs are human and will want to right a perceived wrong.
Macura is gonna get T-ed one of these days. Watch him with what I call a drive by shove...he goes past some one , or after a basket, just gives a guy a shove. I swear, he's the reincarnation of Butler's Matt Howard. Cheap stuff that goes unnoticed, but gets under the opponents skin. Jalen should take lessons from JP. I like em both, but Jalen need to be smarter about it.
bobbiemcgee
02-13-2015, 02:30 PM
JP plays with some fire and chippyness for sure. He may get punted into the stands but will be right back out in their faces. The kid plays hard and to the best of his current abilities. Hard to criticize that desire. I think he has come a long way already and will be a future star once he gets down the realities of
playing competitively on both sides of the ball in the BE.
DC Muskie
02-13-2015, 06:40 PM
I think JP got t'd up in the SH game, where they were giving them out like it was couples night or something.
Bump. Our worst fears come to naught. If this is the new Jalen, I'm drinking the kool-aid.
He refused to take the taunting, kept his cool. Monster if he just plays the game.
Masterofreality
02-18-2015, 09:33 PM
That Double T tonight was BoolSheet!
bjf123
02-18-2015, 09:36 PM
That Double T tonight was BoolSheet!
It really was. Both Jalen and the UC guy (Ellis?) looked at the ref as if to say "Seriously?"
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nuts4xu
02-18-2015, 09:47 PM
Loves me some Jalen Reynolds!
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