Matt Stainbrook

[nuts4xu]

What the hell was wrong with him last night? He looked like he had the flu. He was laboring up and down the floor, looked pale, and was definitely off his game. Byron and Joe noticed he was grabbing his back and asked Coach Mack if he was healthy. Coach said his staff "saw the same thing" but Stain "never told (them) anything". They didn't play him much cause he looked like crap, and was struggling to get up and down the floor.

I don't know if he was hiding something, was out too late driving his Uber car the night before, or had too many foot long cheese coneys before the game. But dude was not himself.

This team has such little margin for error, they can't have guys take nights off like that.

[LA Muskie]

Stain looked like he was completely out of gas. Hope they can fill up that tank.

[Xavier]

Just throwing Dee in here instead of making a new thread- he really needs to make both FTs at the end of the game. Absolutely need that- the Seniors really let the team down last night.

[X-Fan]

Just throwing Dee in here instead of making a new thread- he really needs to make both FTs at the end of the game. Absolutely need that- the Seniors really let the team down last night.
I hear ya, but I can't overly complain about his play. The offense simply does not run without him. He made some nice plays, and his decision making is the best it's ever been for him. The drive, hesitation, layup in the first half was a thing of beauty. Also hit some big shots to keep X in it (floater, 3 pointer) before OT. Also, he's doing everything the can on D, including guarding and boxing out the biggest man on the other team! No idea why that match-up was allowed, but props to Dee for handling it. Dude is working his tail off and barely gets any rest/break in the game. Hope the guys can finish strong at the very least because Dee deserves to have a solid finish to his Career/Senior season.

[GoMuskies]

Dee took two horrendous threes in OT. If the 3rd one had missed, I was afraid he wasn't getting out of Cintas alive. :)

[LA Muskie]

Dee sucked yesterday. As did everyone else not named Jalen or Remy. And, except for Jalen (who's essentially a starter) our bench was even worse than our starters.

[EastCoastXman]

What is up with Dee on these moves down the lane? He looks like he went to the Roosevelt Jones Summer Shooting Camp! We cannot have our point guard just throwing the ball at the basket with no expectation of the shot going in. All he is hoping for is an offensive put back and that is beginning to look like a low percentage shot too.

[XUFan09]

Just throwing Dee in here instead of making a new thread- he really needs to make both FTs at the end of the game. Absolutely need that- the Seniors really let the team down last night.

I don't know why fans think players should magically become 100% free throw shooters at the end of games. Even Tu, for all the steel balls accolades, was not. He just never shot below 85% from the line after his freshman year, so he didn't miss much in general.

[Juice]

I don't know why fans think players should magically become 100% free throw shooters at the end of games. Even Tu, for all the steel balls accolades, was not. He just never shot below 85% from the line after his freshman year, so he didn't miss much in general.

Yeah, it's not like Macura didn't shoot 0-2.

A game is a series of tons of possessions and plays and people like to boil it down to one free throw. It's so dumb.

[GoMuskies]

That's 4 straight misses for Macura from the line, right? He's gone from 10-11 (91%) to 10-15 (67%) in four shots, I believe.

[casualfan]

What the hell was wrong with him last night? He looked like he had the flu. He was laboring up and down the floor, looked pale, and was definitely off his game. Byron and Joe noticed he was grabbing his back and asked Coach Mack if he was healthy. Coach said his staff "saw the same thing" but Stain "never told (them) anything". They didn't play him much cause he looked like crap, and was struggling to get up and down the floor.

I don't know if he was hiding something, was out too late driving his Uber car the night before, or had too many foot long cheese coneys before the game. But dude was not himself.

This team has such little margin for error, they can't have guys take nights off like that.

He played 28 minutes which is more than he is averaging per game on the year...

[Mrs. Garrett]

That's 4 straight misses for Macura from the line, right? He's gone from 10-11 (91%) to 10-15 (67%) in four shots, I believe.

Don't even get me started on Macura in general. That horrible inbounds pass. Never closing out on the 3 pt shooter. etc, etc.

[boozehound]

Dee sucked yesterday. As did everyone else not named Jalen or Remy. And, except for Jalen (who's essentially a starter) our bench was even worse than our starters.

Dee Davis is the opposite of clutch. That's not saying he doesn't have games where he plays well, but when the game is on the line he makes very poor decisions and often executes poorly. That's not what you need from your Senior PG, and represents a significant gap from most of our good teams over the last 10 years.

[Xavier]

I don't know why fans think players should magically become 100% free throw shooters at the end of games. Even Tu, for all the steel balls accolades, was not. He just never shot below 85% from the line after his freshman year, so he didn't miss much in general.

I don't recall a big time FT that TU missed (at least off the top of my head, can you? I agree- he probably did). But as a three year starting Senior PG- you need to come up big in a situation like that, IMO. My expectations could be too high, I guess.

[NY44]

I'd say the low point for Matt last night was when the TV announcer dropped the most back-handed compliment of all time. "I don't know if he could jump over a magazine, he really knows how to use his body."

[XUFan09]

I don't recall a big time FT that TU missed (at least off the top of my head, can you? I agree- he probably did). But as a three year starting Senior PG- you need to come up big in a situation like that, IMO. My expectations could be too high, I guess.

Honestly, he made so many of his FTs that it is easy to forget potential ones he missed, so I'd have to go back and look. I guarantee they are there, though, especially since I remember reading near the end of the 2011 season that he was 90% from the FT line through the first 35 minutes of games and 75% from the FT line in the last 5 minutes. That's probably due to tired legs more than anything, seeing as he barely went to the bench.

[Muskie]

He played 28 minutes which is more than he is averaging per game on the year...

Is that correct? I feel like he logs more than 28 minutes per game? I'd love to see a tally of minutes played.

[paulxu]

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/gamelog/_/id/51635/matt-stainbrook

[nuts4xu]

He played 28 minutes which is more than he is averaging per game on the year...

They also went into overtime for him to get to 28 minutes. He finished with 10 pts and 7 boards but was burned on defense. He labored to run up and down the floor, and missed over half of his shots (he is a 63% shooter for the season). He wasn't himself, and most that watched the game will agree with this. If he wasn't sick, or hurt, he was just having a very bad day.

I can't say anything is medically wrong with the guy, and I am not into throwing around accusations.

We need him to play his best basketball of his career the rest of this season. I hope it was just an off night, and nothing that lingers to Saturday's game.

[LA Muskie]

He finished with 10 pts and 7 boards but was burned on defense. He labored to run up and down the floor, and missed over half of his shots (he is a 63% shooter for the season). He wasn't himself, and most that watched the game will agree with this. If he wasn't sick, or hurt, he was just having a very bad day.
I agree with all of this. But I didn't get the sense he played any less than he typically would. Maybe he should have.

[xavierj]

They also went into overtime for him to get to 28 minutes. He finished with 10 pts and 7 boards but was burned on defense. He labored to run up and down the floor, and missed over half of his shots (he is a 63% shooter for the season). He wasn't himself, and most that watched the game will agree with this. If he wasn't sick, or hurt, he was just having a very bad day.

I can't say anything is medically wrong with the guy, and I am not into throwing around accusations.

We need him to play his best basketball of his career the rest of this season. I hope it was just an off night, and nothing that lingers to Saturday's game.

It was so bad that, Dee Davis was guarding their center in overtime after Remy was guarding him at the end of regulation. What the hell was that?

[Xtemporaneous]

Matt took a knee to the extreme lower back while posting up last night. I asked him after the game. He said it was hurting like hell.

[Juice]

It was so bad that, Dee Davis was guarding their center in overtime after Remy was guarding him at the end of regulation. What the hell was that?

X was switching on all screens.

[casualfan]

They also went into overtime for him to get to 28 minutes. He finished with 10 pts and 7 boards but was burned on defense. He labored to run up and down the floor, and missed over half of his shots (he is a 63% shooter for the season). He wasn't himself, and most that watched the game will agree with this. If he wasn't sick, or hurt, he was just having a very bad day.

I can't say anything is medically wrong with the guy, and I am not into throwing around accusations.

We need him to play his best basketball of his career the rest of this season. I hope it was just an off night, and nothing that lingers to Saturday's game.

He was also getting subbed offense/defense in the OT so he didn't play all 5 minutes. At most he was in there for 3 mins in the OT and it was probably less.

28 minutes is roughly 1.5 more than he normally plays so the OT did not make much of a difference.

[casualfan]

Is that correct? I feel like he logs more than 28 minutes per game? I'd love to see a tally of minutes played.

Here (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/51635/matt-stainbrook) it is.

[xavierj]

X was switching on all screens.

I get that but you can't leave your smallest guy on the big for as long as they did. It burnt them several times. There were several times though that Remy came down and guarded the big guy without switching. It was his man I guess because Uber couldn't guard anyone.

[nuts4xu]

28 minutes is roughly 1.5 more than he normally plays so the OT did not make much of a difference.

Byron Larkin asked Coach Mack on the post game show if there was anything wrong with Stain, and Lark said he looked like he was grabbing his back. Mack said they "saw that" and tried to "sub around it" and "he played less". Forgive me for not checking the numbers and for going with what Mack said. You have succeeded in proving me wrong, I hope it made your day.

It doesn't change my point, which was it seemed there was something wrong with Matt last night. My point wasn't that he played less, it was that he played like crap and looked like something is wrong. If you want to debate other ancillary matters, or take me to task for other non relevant issues, let me know. You seem thrilled to have come up with this minutes per game stat, I will be very interested to see what you do next with this earth shattering information.

[Xavier]

I get that but you can't leave your smallest guy on the big for as long as they did. It burnt them several times. There were several times though that Remy came down and guarded the big guy without switching. It was his man I guess because Uber couldn't guard anyone.

I actually don't remember it burning us- unless you are saying because of that they got offensive boards. I don't remember seeing them feed the post and score when Dee was on the Center.

[JTG]

Matt took a knee to the extreme lower back while posting up last night. I asked him after the game. He said it was hurting like hell.

If we can't function with Matt at half speed, how are we going to function at all next year ? Because when the ball goes in to Reynolds, it's next stop is to the basket, no passing out for an open 3.

[Backyard Champ]

Late in the game, or late in OT, I can't really remember, they burned us when Remy was defending the post. Guy had a pretty easy bucket in a crucial part of the game.

This is a reply to XAVIER.

[casualfan]

Byron Larkin asked Coach Mack on the post game show if there was anything wrong with Stain, and Lark said he looked like he was grabbing his back. Mack said they "saw that" and tried to "sub around it" and "he played less". Forgive me for not checking the numbers and for going with what Mack said. You have succeeded in proving me wrong, I hope it made your day.

It doesn't change my point, which was it seemed there was something wrong with Matt last night. My point wasn't that he played less, it was that he played like crap and looked like something is wrong. If you want to debate other ancillary matters, or take me to task for other non relevant issues, let me know. You seem thrilled to have come up with this minutes per game stat, I will be very interested to see what you do next with this earth shattering information.

lol lighten up francis. It's just a basketball game. This isn't life or death.

Didn't mean to tweak your feelings though. For that I'm sorry.

[XUFan09]

I actually don't remember it burning us- unless you are saying because of that they got offensive boards. I don't remember seeing them feed the post and score when Dee was on the Center.
I think the switching was a big reason they were getting key offensive boards. I was thinking about how they hit two threes in the first two possessions of OT because of that.

[LA Muskie]

Byron Larkin asked Coach Mack on the post game show if there was anything wrong with Stain, and Lark said he looked like he was grabbing his back. Mack said they "saw that" and tried to "sub around it" and "he played less". I did not check the numbers and just went with what Mack said.

But it doesn't change my point, which was it seemed there was something wrong with Matt last night. My point wasn't that he played less, it was that he played like crap and looked like something is wrong.
Nuts, why do you feel so attacked? I don't think anyone was attacking you. You could have made the same point (see above) without the offense. (Admittedly I could and should have taken this advice myself, earlier...)

[LA Muskie]

I actually don't remember it burning us- unless you are saying because of that they got offensive boards. I don't remember seeing them feed the post and score when Dee was on the Center.
It definitely cost us offensive rebounds. I remember making a mental note of it -- particularly late in the 1st half and into the OT. Dee did get a steal out of one of the possessions in the OT as a result, so that may have cancelled out some of the downside in your mind.

[Xavier]

No, I agree it cost us rebounds- just didn't remember specific time they scored in the post because of it but BackYardChamp pointed it out. My mistake

[XUMIOH12]

I think the switching was a big reason they were getting key offensive boards. I was thinking about how they hit two threes in the first two possessions of OT because of that.

This is absolutely right. Their bigs could seal off our guards for offensive rebounds and their guards would out-quick our bigs for long rebounds on the perimeter. The switching also gave Chatman several clean mid-range jumpers with stainbrook guarding him/playing off.

[BMoreX]

@slrussell: Finally found out what ailed Matt Stainbrook last game - tailbone stinger. Feels fine now. #Xavier

[JTG]

@slrussell: Finally found out what ailed Matt Stainbrook last game - tailbone stinger. Feels fine now. #Xavier

Loosely translated, He had a "pain in the ass".

[mistabeecee41]

Dee and Stain are the best players we have at their positions. Without them, we'd be awful.

Here lies the problem. They're good enough to make us decent, but not good enough to put us over the hump. It's like that NBA team that who spends years as the 7-8 seed and gets bumped in the 1st round year after year. At some point, you need to do something even it means letting them go. Luckily for us, that happens naturally. I'll probably regret saying this when we have Brandon Randolph struggling to bring the ball up the court next year but I feel like we're as good as we're going to be with those 2 as our senior leaders.

[Xville]

Dee and Stain are the best players we have at their positions. Without them, we'd be awful.

Here lies the problem. They're good enough to make us decent, but not good enough to put us over the hump. It's like that NBA team that who spends years as the 7-8 seed and gets bumped in the 1st round year after year. At some point, you need to do something even it means letting them go. Luckily for us, that happens naturally. I'll probably regret saying this when we have Brandon Randolph struggling to bring the ball up the court next year but I feel like we're as good as we're going to be with those 2 as our senior leaders.

I think that you have hit the nail on the head with this one. It sucks but I think it is what it is..Stain and Dee are not suddenly going to become All-Americans or do a Chalmers. I think these guys have reached their ceiling.

[XUFan09]

I think the Xavier fanbase highly underrates what Dee does for the team. A team with this offensive talent needs a great facilitator like Dee more than a ball-dominant point guard who scores at a good clip, plus Dee is great on the defensive end. I liken him to a poor man's Drew Lavender. He's not going to make an all-conference team, but he does a lot of the same things well. Stainbrook's defensive deficiencies, though, seemed to be eating away at his offensive excellence more and more as the season goes.

[markchal]

I think the Xavier fanbase highly underrates what Dee does for the team. A team with this offensive talent needs a great facilitator like Dee more than a ball-dominant point guard who scores at a good clip, plus Dee is great on the defensive end. I liken him to a poor man's Drew Lavender. He's not going to make an all-conference team, but he does a lot of the same things well. Stainbrook's defensive deficiencies, though, seemed to be eating away at his offensive excellence more and more as the season goes.

I think people highly overrate Dee's defense. I'm not questioning his toughness, like when he ends up on a big after a switch and doesn't back down, but his defense has been nothing to write home about. If this team didn't have some monstrously bad defenders who simply tend to get lost (Trevon, Jalen), Dee's deficiencies wouldn't be so easily overlooked. He's also made some really poor decisions in crunch time and his drives are usually cringe-worthy.

That being said, he does a great job of running the offense, and we are much better off with him in the lineup, unquestionably. He's a quality role-player, when he tries to do more is when his deficiencies are most glaring.

[Xville]

I think the Xavier fanbase highly underrates what Dee does for the team. A team with this offensive talent needs a great facilitator like Dee more than a ball-dominant point guard who scores at a good clip, plus Dee is great on the defensive end. I liken him to a poor man's Drew Lavender. He's not going to make an all-conference team, but he does a lot of the same things well. Stainbrook's defensive deficiencies, though, seemed to be eating away at his offensive excellence more and more as the season goes.

I don't understand the Drew Lavender comparison at all (even if you did say poor man's Drew)...they are both vertically challenged like myself but that is where the comparison ends. Drew was a Mcdonald All American that could shoot, drive and pass better than Dee. Dee is fine, he is better than anything we have at pg and he is really tough.

[XUFan09]

I think people highly overrate Dee's defense. I'm not questioning his toughness, like when he ends up on a big after a switch and doesn't back down, but his defense has been nothing to write home about. If this team didn't have some monstrously bad defenders who simply tend to get lost (Trevon, Jalen), Dee's deficiencies wouldn't be so easily overlooked.

I think we might have to agree to disagree here (as it's harder to analyze without a tape). Really, I think other's regular screwups actually make Dee's job harder and sometimes make him look worse, like when you see Dee doing a late close-out on a shooter because either someone else didn't properly cover him or Dee had to help too much elsewhere. That's not to say that Dee doesn't have his defensive mistakes or he's like Stanley Burrell, and he doesn't seem to be as much of a defensive leader as he should be for a team that needs it. He still is probably one of the better guard defenders in the league.

[GoMuskies]

I don't understand the Drew Lavender comparison at all (even if you did say poor man's Drew)...they are both vertically challenged like myself but that is where the comparison ends. Drew was a Mcdonald All American that could shoot, drive and pass better than Dee. Dee is fine, he is better than anything we have at pg and he is really tough.

Dee tries Drew's teardrop from time to time. I think he's even made one. Otherwise, yeah, no real comparison.

[XUFan09]

I don't understand the Drew Lavender comparison at all (even if you did say poor man's Drew)...they are both vertically challenged like myself but that is where the comparison ends. Drew was a Mcdonald All American that could shoot, drive and pass better than Dee. Dee is fine, he is better than anything we have at pg and he is really tough.

Drew had that next notch, particularly as a scorer but also as a passer, that made him an all-conference player, but in terms of facilitating the offense for a bunch of talented teammates, they are both really good. I don't think it's purely a coincidence that the 2008 and 2015 squads are two of the better offenses that Xavier has ever had. If you had inserted Lavender onto the offensively weak 2013 squad, though, their difference in ability would have been seriously highlighted. With further thought on that, the "poor man's" description was probably too much, but Drew and Dee are on the same spectrum in terms of type of point guard, whereas I don't like comparing point guards like Tu or point guards like Semaj to Drew.

[xu82]

Dee would have even better assist numbers if we could... you know.... make a damn three pointer once in a while. Oh, there's another thread for that?

Dee can be maddening on occassion (we all know what that looks like), but he brings a lot to the table. Ask yourself where we would be without him before being too critical.

[xavierj]

I'm fine with Dee as long as he is not shooting that stupid rainbow 3 prayer. Stick to hitting layups and driving and kicking. I really do not want to ever see him shoot a 3 again.

[Juice]

I'm fine with Dee as long as he is not shooting that stupid rainbow 3 prayer. Stick to hitting layups and driving and kicking. I really do not want to ever see him shoot a 3 again.

3 point shots made 1.0 of 1.9 for a .516 percentage. But sure keep hitting him with that shade.

[LA Muskie]

3 point shots made 1.0 of 1.9 for a .516 percentage. But sure keep hitting him with that shade.

Huh??? Not sure where you are getting your numbers. He's shooting 27.7% from 3 on the year and 18.8% in conference play.

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/xavi/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/2014-15/stats/season_stats.pdf

[Juice]

Huh??? Not sure where you are getting your numbers. He's shooting 27.7% from 3 on the year and 18.8% in conference play.

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/xavi/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/2014-15/stats/season_stats.pdf

I'll be frank, I confused this thread with the Dez one. So I cited his stats, regardless, any criticism of Dee is stupid.

[American X]

I think these guys have reached their ceiling.

That is ridiculous. Dee could not reach the ceiling on a stepladder.

[gladdenguy]

I'll be frank, I confused this thread with the Dez one. So I cited his stats, regardless, any criticism of Dee is stupid.

Dee is what he is. A backup point guard playing starter minutes. Good defensive player. Tough. Can't shoot. Makes too many mistakes and has never been clutch......see free throw missed in the last minute Wednesday.

Stainbrook. A slow center who can't jump, plays average to below average defense, can really pass and sometimes scores the ball.

Both players aren't getting any better. They are seniors and they have 9 losses before February 15th. Just not that good. This isn't magically gonna change in the next month.

If there was a decent coach on the sidelines Xavier would probably be better without Dee and Matt next year. Who knows though. Mack is driving this program straight to mediocrity. Miller had this program at an all time high. Not elite like UK or UNC, but definitely top 20. I wouldn't doubt if there are more losses at this point next year. Hopefully by this time next year Mack's seat is very warm and we can start blowing it up for another coach with a much higher ceiling......someone who can coach defense and actually leads and will take responsibility for his lack of leadership.

[LA Muskie]

I'll be frank, I confused this thread with the Dez one. So I cited his stats, regardless, any criticism of Dee is stupid.

Easy enough mistake. I'm not a fan of the Dee bashing either. Love the one you've got.

[Emp]

Dee is what he is. A backup point guard playing starter minutes. Good defensive player. Tough. Can't shoot. Makes too many mistakes and has never been clutch......see free throw missed in the last minute Wednesday.

Stainbrook. A slow center who can't jump, plays average to below average defense, can really pass and sometimes scores the ball.

Both players aren't getting any better. They are seniors and they have 9 losses before February 15th. Just not that good. This isn't magically gonna change in the next month.

If there was a decent coach on the sidelines Xavier would probably be better without Dee and Matt next year. Who knows though. Mack is driving this program straight to mediocrity. Miller had this program at an all time high. Not elite like UK or UNC, but definitely top 20. I wouldn't doubt if there are more losses at this point next year. Hopefully by this time next year Mack's seat is very warm and we can start blowing it up for another coach with a much higher ceiling......someone who can coach defense and actually leads and will take responsibility for his lack of leadership.

And yet.....with all the lack of competence, talent, coaching, our RPI AND KENPOM ratings soar.

Psst, we're playing in the second toughest conference in the country. Nova is very tough, but we can play with the rest of the league. We're slow defensively but this team plays 40 minutes.

Perhaps you want X to go after Izzo...oh wait, he,s having a "tough" year, too.

[Juice]

Dee is what he is. A backup point guard playing starter minutes. Good defensive player. Tough. Can't shoot. Makes too many mistakes and has never been clutch......see free throw missed in the last minute Wednesday.

Stainbrook. A slow center who can't jump, plays average to below average defense, can really pass and sometimes scores the ball.

Both players aren't getting any better. They are seniors and they have 9 losses before February 15th. Just not that good. This isn't magically gonna change in the next month.

If there was a decent coach on the sidelines Xavier would probably be better without Dee and Matt next year. Who knows though. Mack is driving this program straight to mediocrity. Miller had this program at an all time high. Not elite like UK or UNC, but definitely top 20. I wouldn't doubt if there are more losses at this point next year. Hopefully by this time next year Mack's seat is very warm and we can start blowing it up for another coach with a much higher ceiling......someone who can coach defense and actually leads and will take responsibility for his lack of leadership.

Dee is 17th in the country (out of thousands of players) in assists at 5.9 per game. He is 35th overall in assist/turnover ratio at 2.65/1. If Dee is a backup I'd love to see a starting point guard.

[xu82]

Dee is 17th in the country (out of thousands of players) in assists at 5.9 per game. He is 35th overall in assist/turnover ratio at 2.65/1. If Dee is a backup I'd love to see a starting point guard.

You're right! He should be our damn backup!

Did I get that right? The peeps who hate him now (or are even on the fence) will miss the hell out of him next year! Let him be a PG, and he'll be a damn good PG. Don't ask for more.

[waggy]

He did not have a good first half. Putting it nicely.

[LA Muskie]

We're slow defensively but this team plays 40 minutes.
Let's not get carried away...

[Xer4ever]

First, let me say there's no bigger hearted point guard in the BE. But among the 10 starting PG's in the BE, Dee is #6 in PPG(no worries), 7th in FG%, and while he's #2 in assists and has outstanding A/TO ratio, he has the 7th most turnovers. While you can't help but love his heart and toughness, these stats probably don't equate to strong tournament team. As a senior and 3 yr starter I just hoped for more.

[Masterofreality]

@slrussell: Finally found out what ailed Matt Stainbrook last game - tailbone stinger. Feels fine now. #Xavier


Loosely translated, He had a "pain in the ass".

Have you ever had one of those? I got one in high school and it hurt worse than any injury I ever had otherwise.

And I'm not buying that he was "fine" yesterday. Mine hung on a while, and Matt did not look 100% yesterday by any means. Sean O'Mara gave us BIG minutes yesterday. Hope Matt gets back all the way soon.

[rjk082]

You're right! He should be our damn backup!

Did I get that right? The peeps who hate him now (or are even on the fence) will miss the hell out of him next year! Let him be a PG, and he'll be a damn good PG. Don't ask for more.

You're right - we are going to miss Dee next year. Mack has not developed our backup PG this year. Randolph looks like a deer in the headlights when he does play and Larry Austin needs more PT to learn the offense. Right now, in the rare occasion that Dee gets a breather, Myles is the "PG" which is always interesting to see him dribble the ball at shoulder length. I would press every time Myles brought the ball up and force him left.

[Juice]

First, let me say there's no bigger hearted point guard in the BE. But among the 10 starting PG's in the BE, Dee is #6 in PPG(no worries), 7th in FG%, and while he's #2 in assists and has outstanding A/TO ratio, he has the 7th most turnovers. While you can't help but love his heart and toughness, these stats probably don't equate to strong tournament team. As a senior and 3 yr starter I just hoped for more.
You just contradicted yourself citing assist to turnover ratio and overall turnovers. His A/TO ratio is what is relevant, not the turnovers.


@musketeerreport: "I think Dee Davis is one of the best point guards in the Big East in terms of running his team." - Providence associate HC Andre LaFleur

It blows my mind why this fan base doesn't realize what it has in Dee.

[xu82]

First, let me say there's no bigger hearted point guard in the BE. But among the 10 starting PG's in the BE, Dee is #6 in PPG(no worries), 7th in FG%, and while he's #2 in assists and has outstanding A/TO ratio, he has the 7th most turnovers. While you can't help but love his heart and toughness, these stats probably don't equate to strong tournament team. As a senior and 3 yr starter I just hoped for more.

My feeling is, if you acknowledge he as an "outstanding" A/TO ratio, you can't complain about his TO ranking. That just comes from being the guy distributing the ball more. Very effciently, but more. You don't blame a QB who throws 50 passes a game for having a couple more interceptions than a guy who throws 12 times a game. It comes with the territory. If you look at assists and A/TO ratio, Dee is a very effective PG. And that's the position he plays. Do I wish he was a litle better shooter? Of course. A little taller? Yep. But he's still a darn good PG overall, in my mind.

[Xer4ever]

You just contradicted yourself citing assist to turnover ratio and overall turnovers. His A/TO ratio is what is relevant, not the turnovers.



It blows my mind why this fan base doesn't realize what it has in Dee.

Not a contradiction at all. No denying that Dee makes some good passes, but number of assists are influenced by shots made or not made. Turnovers are more often than not misguided judgement or lack of poise. I'm a fan of Dee and glad he's going to be a fellow alum. But feel his numbers and judgement are not what you need/want for a 3 year starting PG. It's true we will miss Dee next year, but more because we currently don't have a replacement with any experience than because Dee is top tier PG.

[RealDeal]

Not a contradiction at all. No denying that Dee makes some good passes, but number of assists are influenced by shots made or not made.

So you're saying that Dee's assist numbers should be much better but for his teammates shooting woes. I agree. Welcome to the board, nice to see someone register just to bash a guy who just had 15 assists and the defensive play of the game.

[Xer4ever]

So you're saying that Dee's assist numbers should be much better but for his teammates shooting woes. I agree. Welcome to the board, nice to see someone register just to bash a guy who just had 15 assists and the defensive play of the game.

Speaking of bashing.
So I guess your satisfied with Dees progress individually and this years team collectively? Dees mental errors and lack of senior poise is one reason this team underperforms on the road. Not intended to bash, just provide substantiated perspective. 7th most turnovers among PG will not translate to consistency.

[Masterofreality]

Dee Davis played 39...yes Thirty Nine minutes yesterday but still had the stones to make an incredible steal on Kris Dunn and arguably the assist of the year among his 15.

And really. Is someone coming on here talking trash about the guy? Unbelieveable.

[RealDeal]

Speaking of bashing.
So I guess your satisfied with Dees progress individually and this years team collectively? Dees mental errors and lack of senior poise is one reason this team underperforms on the road. Not intended to bash, just provide substantiated perspective. 7th most turnovers among PG will not translate to consistency.

So you agree then, Dee should have better assist numbers, but guys haven't been making the shots. Great.

[Juice]

Not a contradiction at all. No denying that Dee makes some good passes, but number of assists are influenced by shots made or not made. Turnovers are more often than not misguided judgement or lack of poise. I'm a fan of Dee and glad he's going to be a fellow alum. But feel his numbers and judgement are not what you need/want for a 3 year starting PG. It's true we will miss Dee next year, but more because we currently don't have a replacement with any experience than because Dee is top tier PG.

Hes 35th in the county in assist to turnover ratio. That shoes that you're wrong and his judgment is fine.

[XUFan09]

Turnovers per game:

Dee Davis - 2.3
'12 Holloway - 3.0
'11 Holloway - 3.4 (This was his All-American year)

When you have the ball in your hands a lot and are trying to run the offense, turnovers are inevitable. It's a much stronger inevitability than a quarterback throwing an interception, actually. Wisconsin, the #1 team in the country in terms of turnover rate, still turns the ball over 12.4% of the time (Xavier, ranked 43rd, turns it over 16.9% of the time).

[Juice]

Turnovers per game:

Dee Davis - 2.3
'12 Holloway - 3.0
'11 Holloway - 3.4 (This was his All-American year)

When you have the ball in your hands a lot and are trying to run the offense, turnovers are inevitable. It's a much stronger inevitability than a quarterback throwing an interception, actually. Wisconsin, the #1 team in the country in terms of turnover rate, still turns the ball over 12.4% of the time (Xavier, ranked 43rd, turns it over 16.9% of the time).

Please don't try to use numbers and logic. It will only confuse people.

[bleedXblue]

Back to Stain. Really need to big guy to step up and play some good ball the next 4-6 weeks. With Jalen emerging, it should take some of the pressure off him and open things up.

[Xer4ever]

Please don't try to use numbers and logic. It will only confuse people.

Good point on Holloway. But it should be noted that his number of turnovers his senior yr were DOWN 12%, while Dee's is UP 21%. Just say'n.
You guys seem to call facts bashing. I like Dee. I'm only saying he's not a top tier BE point guard which is at least partially responsible for our inconsistency on the road. Which of these other BE point guards would play behind Dee if they were on X?
Big East Starting Point Guards: Class, Pt Avg(FG%), Asst Avg, TO avg
1) Villanova- Arcidiacono, Jr., 9.2(37.3%), 4.0, 1.1
2) Providence- Dunn, So, 15.1(48.4) 7.8, 4.2
3) Butler- Barlow, Sr, 8.3(39.2), 2.4, 1.5
4) Georgetown- Smith-Rivera, Jr, 15.2(40.5), 3.5, 1.7
5) Seton Hall- Gibbs, Jr, 16.7(45.0), 3.9, 1.8
6) St Johns- Jordan, So, 13.4(43.2), 2.7, 3.2
7) DePaul- Garret Jr., So, 13.1(41.4), 3.7, 2.4
8) Marquette- Wilson, Sr., 6.1(46.6), 3.9, 1.4
9) Creighton- Chattman, Sr, 11.0(36.1), 4.0, 1.8
10) Xavier- Davis, Sr., 9.2(40.1), 5.8, 2.4
Dee's Ranking:

[xu82]

Do we know when Stain actually got hurt? How quickly does a thing like this heal? Did I hear/read a tailbone stinger? I know about a shoulder stinger (unfortunately), but never a tailbone. Is it basically a tailbone bruise? Bone bruises can be nasty!

There, back on topic, but I really am curious. Despite some very encouraging play from other bigs, we need a healthy Stain!

[Juice]

Good point on Holloway. But it should be noted that his number of turnovers his senior yr were DOWN 12%, while Dee's is UP 21%. Just say'n.
You guys seem to call facts bashing. I like Dee. I'm only saying he's not a top tier BE point guard which is at least partially responsible for our inconsistency on the road. Which of these other BE point guards would play behind Dee if they were on X?
Big East Starting Point Guards: Class, Pt Avg(FG%), Asst Avg, TO avg
1) Villanova- Arcidiacono, Jr., 9.2(37.3%), 4.0, 1.1
2) Providence- Dunn, So, 15.1(48.4) 7.8, 4.2
3) Butler- Barlow, Sr, 8.3(39.2), 2.4, 1.5
4) Georgetown- Smith-Rivera, Jr, 15.2(40.5), 3.5, 1.7
5) Seton Hall- Gibbs, Jr, 16.7(45.0), 3.9, 1.8
6) St Johns- Jordan, So, 13.4(43.2), 2.7, 3.2
7) DePaul- Garret Jr., So, 13.1(41.4), 3.7, 2.4
8) Marquette- Wilson, Sr., 6.1(46.6), 3.9, 1.4
9) Creighton- Chattman, Sr, 11.0(36.1), 4.0, 1.8
10) Xavier- Davis, Sr., 9.2(40.1), 5.8, 2.4
Dee's Ranking:
Most of those guys shouldn't be playing point guard and are playing out of position.

[XUFan09]

Good point on Holloway. But it should be noted that his number of turnovers his senior yr were DOWN 12%, while Dee's is UP 21%. Just say'n.


And last year Semaj was on the team, so Dee had the ball in his hands a lot less. Just say'n.

[paulxu]

The amount of delusion and lack of history in that one post is remarkable.
I sense a teenager.

[XUFan09]

The amount of delusion and lack of history in that one post is remarkable.
I sense a teenager.

Or an attempt at parody, which doesn't register effectively on the Internet.

Poe's law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law)

[Xavier_Musketeers]

Stainbrook needs to have a big game against Marquette, especially on defense if he guards Fischer

[X-band '01]

omg butler is literally the best team in the big east. the killed xavier and they are better because they are ranked. rpi means nothing. the ranked team always wins. if uc was one and x was 2 uc would win because they are number one thats just how basketball works. xavier sucks and we all agree. the wear crappy rebook uniforms and they dont even have an arena. uc is better and butler is too.


The amount of delusion and lack of history in that one post is remarkable.
I sense a teenager.

Can't be a teenager - they're too young to remember when Xavier finished with Reebok back in the 2000-01 season. I think it's a young adult who has to go to the public library to get on the computer and surf for por, err, news and sports.

[XMuskieFTW]

Tailbone bruises are killer, so if that's what was going on I'm not surprised the recent play. I for one think Stainbrook is about to go nuts. He may still be a little slow the next couple games until he's back to 100%, but we've seen the passion and fire this guy has and he's not going to be held down. From here on out I expect Stainbrook to average a nice 15 and 8 line for us and lead us into the NCAA tournament. It's that of year when our seniors tend to get hot like Dee did last game. I think Stainbrook is about take control.

[nuts4xu]

omg butler is literally the best team in the big east. the killed xavier and they are better because they are ranked. rpi means nothing. the ranked team always wins. if uc was one and x was 2 uc would win because they are number one thats just how basketball works. xavier sucks and we all agree. the wear crappy rebook uniforms and they dont even have an arena. uc is better and butler is too.

You have to be kidding me. Who over the age of 11 starts out a post on a message board with "OMG"?

Ok little dude, weekend is over, back to school for you today. Make sure you bring that teacher an apple, and good luck on your spelling test this week.

Now run along and let the adults speak about other adult things. This is not a place for you or any of your inbred friends.

[X-man]

You have to be kidding me. Who over the age of 11 starts out a post on a message board with "OMG"?

Ok little dude, weekend is over, back to school for you today. Make sure you bring that teacher an apple, and good luck on your spelling test this week.

Now run along and let the adults speak about other adult things. This is not a place for you or any of your inbred friends.

Nuts, please don't quote that "little dude". I have him on "Ignore", and don't want to read anything he posts. As always, the best strategy for dealing with trolls and idiots like him is for none of us to pay him any attention.