Ways to improve Cintas Center

[OTRMUSKIE]

I was at the game this past weekend and was just looking around at how the TAS could be better. My dad and myself notice that the sound system is of very poor quality. Which is a shock because the system that X has was mentioned in some audio magazine. I sit center court but upper level and I can't hear a word that comes out of the speakers. I have good hearing too and it's all mumbles.

Also why on Gods green earth do they not move the back wall scoreboard to the sides of the wall. I can't believe it would cost that much to buy an extra one and have two small boards and place them on opposite sides of the back wall. I remember sitting in the end zone by the new bar, awesome bar btw, and not being able to see the back wall scoreboard.

Our main scoreboard needs to be replaced also. I know it cost money and maybe we don't have it but the one we have is outdated. There should be a place to see players points and boards on the main board as well.

Xavier has a wonderful canvas on the back wall to create a mural of former players or to place the banners on. I hate the banners hanging from the rafters, just too difficult to see depending on where you sit.

[RealDeal]

Don't know what you're taking about on most of your points. The main scoreboard that hangs over the court was recently replaced and is in no way outdated. It looks fantastic.

Just a lot of strange points.

[TUclutch]

Don't know what you're taking about on most of your points. The main scoreboard that hangs over the court was recently replaced and is in no way outdated. It looks fantastic.

Just a lot of strange points.

Agreed. Im lost at what he's complaining about in terms of the main scoreboard. The one over the court, as well as the ribbon board around the arena, are both new as of maybe 3 years ago. Those don't need to be replaced. You can see players points and fouls on both sides of the ribbon board. I also seriously wonder about some people's hearing. i have taken the time to go to many areas of the arena during games to listen and I have never had an issue hearing anything from any vantage point in Cintas.

[LadyMuskie]

The scoreboard and ribbon boards can't be more than three years old. And they worked hard in the off season on the sound complaints per a friend of ours, and I do think it sounds better than ever before this year.

[OTRMUSKIE]

https://magicbasketballonline.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/orlando-magic-amway-center-main-scoreboard.jpg

[OTRMUSKIE]

Funny thing is I typed in nba scoreboards on Google image and Cintas scoreboard popped up. I still want two small scoreboards on the back wall and fix the sound system upper level :)

[RedsX11]

Are you talking about a main scoreboard that has video boards on the 4 edges where the larger screens meet that would display stats? We don't need one of those, imo. We show stats on the ribbon boards on both sides. Our scoreboard is perfect for the size of our arena.

[OTRMUSKIE]

We don't need any of the improvements I am asking for these just happen to be my complaints. The way it's setup now if you sit in the end zone you can't see the stat board against the back wall. However if you purchase one more tiny scoreboard and put them in both corners of the back wall then everybody in the arena can see the stats. It's an easy solution that they havnt fixed. I think they raised the scoreboard a little to help out but it still isn't conducive to,those who sit by the new upper deck bar. Although you now have an upper deck bar so maybe that's the compromise!

[Kahns Krazy]

I've also noticed that they don't have those reserved suite parking spots for everyone. I want to park right in front of the Cintas center. Replace all the stairs with escalators and in seat service would be good too. None of the seats recline and vibrate. I'd like a personal 42" monitor at each seat for replays. The cheerleaders should give everyone a ball and a tshirt at every game. And $9 per seat seems like a good price too.

[LadyMuskie]

I'm always shocked - even after all these years - by how many so-called grownups get legitimately angry and/or upset when they don't get a ball or tshirt. And yep, I'm that lady who shames the adults into giving those things to the kids sitting nearby (and I don't mean my kid because she sits with her grandparents in the truly hoity toity section .) It's disgusting the way the adults fight over and bitch about the in game giveaways.

[BMoreX]

I'm always shocked - even after all these years - by how many so-called grownups get legitimately angry and/or upset when they don't get a ball or tshirt. And yep, I'm that lady who shames the adults into giving those things to the kids sitting nearby (and I don't mean my kid because she sits with her grandparents in the truly hoity toity section .) It's disgusting the way the adults fight over and bitch about the in game giveaways.

People go batshit crazy for free tshirts.

I was working at Maryland in the summer and fall in their athletic department. After one of their football games, we were handing out t-shirts to anyone with a student ID or a ticket. These tshirts were neon green and simply said "Walk Smart College Park." It was a company promoting driver and walking safety in the town.

People went crazy trying to get these. Bitching if we didn't have their size, complaining left and right, trying to sneak up in the line. Even Michigan State fans wanted these. Why!? They're for the students who will be here, walking around campus and town. You have literally no reason for a standard cotton neon shirt.

Just crazy.

[NY44]

https://magicbasketballonline.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/orlando-magic-amway-center-main-scoreboard.jpg

So we need a new scoreboard because our current one isn't as nice as a brand new NBA one? Amway opened in 2010, and seats twice as many people as Cintas.

[nuts4xu]

Why in the hell do people stop and wait in a single line for all 15 pissers to open up? I have never seen this phenomenon in any other sports arena in my life. We don't have enough camodes as it is, so just pile in the bathroom and wait in the shortest line you see.

While I'm at it, add more urinals. It would take very little expense and effort to double the number of urinals in each men's room.

I've never understood the design of our restrooms, and I've asked for these same improvements since the place opened up. So I don't expect them to change.

[kyxu]

I'm always shocked - even after all these years - by how many so-called grownups get legitimately angry and/or upset when they don't get a ball or tshirt. And yep, I'm that lady who shames the adults into giving those things to the kids sitting nearby (and I don't mean my kid because she sits with her grandparents in the truly hoity toity section .) It's disgusting the way the adults fight over and bitch about the in game giveaways.

I saw a grandmother get chokeslammed over one of those free t-shirts.

[Xtemporaneous]

The sound system was recently updated and sounds awesome IMHO. As for the center hung board and the endzone board the boards are in standard definition. The should've been HD and hopefully just the boards will be replaced. But this means replacing cameras too. Right now the board is like your "old" TV in that it looks like a box (4:3) whereas a new TV is letterbox (16:9). I wish that this could be done soon. As for the small endzone board it should be three times as big giving you a ton of information. Hopefully that will be upgraded in our lifetime.

[xu82]

I saw a grandmother get chokeslammed over one of those free t-shirts.

HEY! I apologized already! It's not my fault she wasn't quick enough...

[drudy23]

Don't know what you're taking about on most of your points. The main scoreboard that hangs over the court was recently replaced and is in no way outdated. It looks fantastic.

Just a lot of strange points.

Agreed.

[drudy23]

Go back to the old pretzels.

[RealDeal]

Valet parking for the entire arena. It's cold outside.

[xsteve1]

Why in the hell do people stop and wait in a single line for all 15 pissers to open up? I have never seen this phenomenon in any other sports arena in my life. We don't have enough camodes as it is, so just pile in the bathroom and wait in the shortest line you see.

While I'm at it, add more urinals. It would take very little expense and effort to double the number of urinals in each men's room.

I've never understood the design of our restrooms, and I've asked for these same improvements since the place opened up. So I don't expect them to change.

They need to put splash guards between each urinal like they have at Paul Brown.

[pimpinthebox]

Let me preface this by saying that the Cintas Center is great and we are lucky to have it. I don't think many of us would argue that. And if anyone disagrees, they should get negative reps. A far cry than that shit hole we used to play in which required a 10-12 minute drive (of course, no offense to shit holes). The Gardens served its purpose, but had seen better days when X left it.

I think the school has done a great evaluating things in the off-season and making improvements as warranted. As mentioned, the ribbon scoreboards were a big plus and, most recently, the Cincy skyline (like it or not) and the craft beer stand were solid.

In terms of additional improvements, I'd have to go with the video screens. Not sure if any of you have been to Chaifetz Arena where St. Louis plays, but it's almost identical to Cintas with one of the differences being the four screens (in addition to the one over center court) they have at each corner of the arena. Pretty sweet.

http://image.cdnllnwnl.xosnetwork.com/pics32/800/CY/CYMMCLTVGDUFKKJ.20120730190651.jpg

[XUMIOH12]

They should get a huge video screen that takes up the entire back wall, now that would be sweet (and unrealistic for Xavier)....but really I wouldn't mind a bigger back wall board, or an additional one up there....but then again that's being a little picky, considering how nice Cintas is for a college arena.

[D-West & PO-Z]

People go batshit crazy for free tshirts.

I was working at Maryland in the summer and fall in their athletic department. After one of their football games, we were handing out t-shirts to anyone with a student ID or a ticket. These tshirts were neon green and simply said "Walk Smart College Park." It was a company promoting driver and walking safety in the town.

People went crazy trying to get these. Bitching if we didn't have their size, complaining left and right, trying to sneak up in the line. Even Michigan State fans wanted these. Why!? They're for the students who will be here, walking around campus and town. You have literally no reason for a standard cotton neon shirt.

Just crazy.

People go batshit crazy for free anything. Even when its worthless. And even rich people. Have you seen how people in the lower sections fight over the skyline cards???? How much are those for $5 at the most?

[D-West & PO-Z]

Go back to the old pretzels.

What the hell ever happened to the cheddarwursts? I used to kill two of those a game. Why did they get rid of those? I was so sad.

[Cheesehead]

I would like to see them paint the ugly gray concrete walls in each section. Either paint it blue or put some type of Xavier logos all over them. The bathroom design is puzzling with entire wall not being used for urinals in some of them.

[LA Muskie]

I don't understand the piling on of OTR. He made it clear he's a Cintas fan, and everything can use a little improvement. As for his comments, I agree with regard to the main scoreboard (and echo the comments that the video screens should have been HD) and the auxiliary boards (two -- each to a side -- would be better). (I also like the St. Louis setup but I'm not sure that's necessary.)

As for the soundsystem, I haven't been there this year but it's been a constant problem. Maybe they made some adjustments in the off-season. But maybe they didn't resolve the issues OTR senses.

[OTRMUSKIE]

The sound system was recently updated and sounds awesome IMHO. As for the center hung board and the endzone board the boards are in standard definition. The should've been HD and hopefully just the boards will be replaced. But this means replacing cameras too. Right now the board is like your "old" TV in that it looks like a box (4:3) whereas a new TV is letterbox (16:9). I wish that this could be done soon. As for the small endzone board it should be three times as big giving you a ton of information. Hopefully that will be upgraded in our lifetime.

Thank you finally someone else understands my pain. Other than the sound system. It does sound fine except for example when they were introducing the 1990 team I couldn't hear one word coming out of the speakers.

[X-man]

The two biggest problems, IMHO, have been beer selection and sound system. Thanks to D'Artagnan's Deck, the beer problem is well on its way to be solved (need the same options on the main concourse to complete the resolution of that issue). But the sound system remains horrible. Half the time, it is unintelligible.

[94GRAD]

The two biggest problems, IMHO, have been beer selection and sound system. Thanks to D'Artagnan's Deck, the beer problem is well on its way to be solved (need the same options on the main concourse to complete the resolution of that issue). But the sound system remains horrible. Half the time, it is unintelligible.

Based on the contract they have with Miller, this won't happen for at least a year and a half.

[drudy23]

I don't understand the sound system issue...sounds great where I sit. Must be a location factor.

[JTG]

Why in the hell do people stop and wait in a single line for all 15 pissers to open up? I have never seen this phenomenon in any other sports arena in my life. We don't have enough camodes as it is, so just pile in the bathroom and wait in the shortest line you see.

While I'm at it, add more urinals. It would take very little expense and effort to double the number of urinals in each men's room.

I've never understood the design of our restrooms, and I've asked for these same improvements since the place opened up. So I don't expect them to change.

Must be a Cincy thing about waiting single file. I was at the Colts Bengal playoff game, and every time I went to the john I had to walk past the Bengal fans to wait in the shortest line.

[LA Muskie]

I'm a fan of single file. I don't want to be jockeying for position in a men's room. Plus, why should I (or anyone else) get punished because they unluckily stood behind the guy with the never-ending stream?

PS: It's not a Cincy thing. Fans at the Staples Center (Lakers, Clippers and Kings) also ascribe to the single file policy. Which I appreciate.

[Milhouse]

I'd like to see D'artanian Deck tweaked just a bit...which I'm sure they will do. But perhaps had a few more tables/ledges. Maybe a few TVs on ESPN or what not. I've really enjoyed going up there an hour early and having a beer or two before the game while watching shoot around...just wish beers weren't $8 each.

[bjf123]

People go batshit crazy for free anything. Even when its worthless. And even rich people. Have you seen how people in the lower sections fight over the skyline cards???? How much are those for $5 at the most?

Yep. They are $5 gift cards. I caught one a few years ago.


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[X-man]

Based on the contract they have with Miller, this won't happen for at least a year and a half.

I figured it had to be a contractual thing. The Cintas guy I spoke with about it before it was set up tried to make it sound like they wanted to see if there was enough demand to move it down. But that didn't make any sense given the fact that it almost certain that demand would be higher if the craft beers were accessible in more places.

[Kahns Krazy]

Must be a Cincy thing about waiting single file. I was at the Colts Bengal playoff game, and every time I went to the john I had to walk past the Bengal fans to wait in the shortest line.

It depends on which bathroom and the layout. The ones up by me in the upper deck you have to to the single file thing because there are urinals facing each other, and you wouldn't be able to get in or out of there if people were stacked up behind each one. On the main level, you have urinals on walls in a U shape so that there is room to line up for each one.

Besides, it takes the same amount of time in line either way. Why does it matter if you are in a 50 person line that takes 2 minutes or a 2 person line that takes two minutes? The single file assures everyone of approximately the same wait time.

[paulxu]

So, they upgraded Cintas and put in some sort of beer pub place on the top deck...or something.
If that was the case, they should have just dismantled the first floor of Dana's and moved it there, lock-stock-and barrel(s). (except the urinal)
Opened it up hours early for Kegs 'n Eggs, and let 94 run the damn thing, picking out the beers he wanted to serve.
Saved everybody a trip down the hill.

[Kahns Krazy]

I don't understand the piling on of OTR. He made it clear he's a Cintas fan, and everything can use a little improvement. As for his comments, I agree with regard to the main scoreboard (and echo the comments that the video screens should have been HD) and the auxiliary boards (two -- each to a side -- would be better). (I also like the St. Louis setup but I'm not sure that's necessary.)

As for the soundsystem, I haven't been there this year but it's been a constant problem. Maybe they made some adjustments in the off-season. But maybe they didn't resolve the issues OTR senses.


Thank you finally someone else understands my pain. Other than the sound system. It does sound fine except for example when they were introducing the 1990 team I couldn't hear one word coming out of the speakers.

I don't disagree that higher def and more screens would be better. I disagree with the concept that "it wouldn't cost all that much", so it should just be better. We have new ribbon boards, a new scoreboard, and a new auxiliary board. It is true that the layout is not optimized for the endzone seats. I'm pretty sure that's part of why the endzone seats cost less.

If you're not able to hear one presentation, or half time, it's more likely the person using the input, not the sound system. That system is tuned for the announcer who uses it the whole game. It's likely that the person doing the introductions wasn't using it correctly or speaking loud enough, or got freaked out by their own echo. Using a PA system in a building that size isn't like speaking in a room.

[94GRAD]

So, they upgraded Cintas and put in some sort of beer pub place on the top deck...or something.
If that was the case, they should have just dismantled the first floor of Dana's and moved it there, lock-stock-and barrel(s). (except the urinal)
Opened it up hours early for Kegs 'n Eggs, and let 94 run the damn thing, picking out the beers he wanted to serve.
Saved everybody a trip down the hill.

I wish we could charge the prices they do at the 'Tas

[LA Muskie]

I don't disagree that higher def and more screens would be better. I disagree with the concept that "it wouldn't cost all that much", so it should just be better. We have new ribbon boards, a new scoreboard, and a new auxiliary board. It is true that the layout is not optimized for the endzone seats. I'm pretty sure that's part of why the endzone seats cost less.

If you're not able to hear one presentation, or half time, it's more likely the person using the input, not the sound system. That system is tuned for the announcer who uses it the whole game. It's likely that the person doing the introductions wasn't using it correctly or speaking loud enough, or got freaked out by their own echo. Using a PA system in a building that size isn't like speaking in a room.
There's obviously an expense that comes with an upgrade to HD. This thread isn't called "things the Cintas Center absolutely, positively needs". It's called "Ways to Improve Cintas Center." And all other things being equal, I agree with OTR.

With respect to the soundsystem in particular, if it can't be optimized for different speakers, then that's a fairly significant deficiency in the system. I go to a lot of Clippers games. There are at least 4 people who are miked at various points in the game, plus the in-game music. I can hear all of it. Perfectly.

Now do I expect the Cintas Center to perform as well as the Staples Center, which houses at least 3 professional sports teams and hosts numerous A-Level concerts and shows? No. But I don't think it's asking much for the soundsystem to perform in such a way that fans throughout the stadium can actually hear what is being transmitted. And it sounds like that's not the case.

[Kahns Krazy]

The original post was a bit more harsh than that. "the sound system is of very poor quality" and "Also why on Gods green earth" do we not have another scoreboard. Came across a little whiny to me.

Of course there are always upgrades that can be done, but they all cost money. I think the fact that our cheapest ticket is now $25 and many of them are substantially more than that has been a detriment to our crowds. I don't need 20 different places to look to see stats in a game. I do want a packed house of rowdy fans and all those bells and whistles contribute to pricing out a portion of our rowdy crowd.

[xu82]

Valet parking for the entire arena. It's cold outside.

I usually only get to one home game a year, but a Cincy friend told me he got a ride in some type of covered, multi-person golf cart from a more distant part of the lot (or something like that). I thought that was genius, especially on a particularly cold night. (Yes, my genius bar is quite low, it makes me feel better. about myself.) Get enough of those and you can at least win some points for trying.

[crolfes12]

Food sucks at Cintas. Probably the worst dogs I've ever had. Also, the sound is sporadic depending on where you sit. Like the idea of upgrading the boards to HD as well. They need to show more replays after a big play.

[chico]

Go back to the old pretzels.

Exactly. How hard is it to get a decent pretzel?

[Tu 4 MVP]

I've stood up top along the railings for the last 3 years at midcourt and have never been able to understand the sound system. Usually cant even pick out a word.

[xu82]

Food sucks at Cintas. Probably the worst dogs I've ever had.

I must admit, my kids high school had FAR better hot dogs. That was very disappointing, because it's really not hard, it's a damn hot dog!

[xu82]

Exactly. How hard is it to get a decent pretzel?

I couldn't get any pretzel - they were out. Maybe I was lucky...

[chico]

I couldn't get any pretzel - they were out. Maybe I was lucky...

It seems like there have been issues with the food service all season. Running out of food, long lines, lines moving slow. I usually get something around the under 12 minute timeout because there's nobody at the stands and I can get back before play starts but that's not the case this year for whatever reason.

[X-ROX]

I believe it all has to do with the volunteers working the concessions. I love supporting local sports teams and all, but I end up teaching them how to pour a beer every game ( I do offer to take the poorly poured one off their hands so that they don't waste it. :drinks:

[Smooth]

Put it on wheels so we can take it on the road with us.

[STL_XUfan]

In terms of additional improvements, I'd have to go with the video screens. Not sure if any of you have been to Chaifetz Arena where St. Louis plays, but it's almost identical to Cintas with one of the differences being the four screens (in addition to the one over center court) they have at each corner of the arena. Pretty sweet.

http://image.cdnllnwnl.xosnetwork.com/pics32/800/CY/CYMMCLTVGDUFKKJ.20120730190651.jpg

The layout of Chaifetz is pretty different with no true upper deck (their boxes are at the top of the arena). I love what SLU did, I just don't think it would work with Cintas's layout.

[Kahns Krazy]

We share a bag of peanuts most games. Other than that, I almost never eat there unless I missed lunch and came straight from work. Are most of you that are talking about the food going to the games with kids or what?

[blobfan]

It seems like there have been issues with the food service all season. Running out of food, long lines, lines moving slow. I usually get something around the under 12 minute timeout because there's nobody at the stands and I can get back before play starts but that's not the case this year for whatever reason.
The one time I ate their this season we had to repeat our order multiple times. It wasn't that complicated. It's just not worth the price.

[chico]

We share a bag of peanuts most games. Other than that, I almost never eat there unless I missed lunch and came straight from work. Are most of you that are talking about the food going to the games with kids or what?

I've only eaten a few times when I wasn't able to eat dinner or just wanted something to drink.

And Blobfan is right - the price for food definitely has gone up.

[theleague]

Like the improvements, especially the cup holders! But over 7 years, any way to speed this up?

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2015/06/02/xavier-launches-25m-cintas-center-overhaul.html

[Cheesehead]

Like the improvements, especially the cup holders! But over 7 years, any way to speed this up?

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2015/06/02/xavier-launches-25m-cintas-center-overhaul.html

This is basically a reprint from ther same article in the latest edition of Xavier Nation Magazine. My guess is that since the building is being used constantly, they have to do this in phases. They cannot just close it like Nippert.

[X-man]

I just wish that improving the sound system was one of the elements on the list. Frankly the current sound system makes most announcements almost impossible to understand.

[Moe82]

Like the improvements, especially the cup holders! But over 7 years, any way to speed this up?

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2015/06/02/xavier-launches-25m-cintas-center-overhaul.htm

Fastest way to speed this up is to dig deep into your wallet and cough up the cash.

[XU Cowbell Kid]

I like that they are doing the improvements to the student athlete portions first. Get that baby upgraded and show it off to the recruits!

[Xville]

7 years? Is Xavier hurting that bad financially?

Anyways, as others have said here, I am really glad they are thinking of the student athlete first and foremost. Xavier has to improve those areas for recruiting purposes, which leads to better teams, which leads to selling out more games etc etc.

My only complaint is that something needs to be done with the sound system sooner rather than later...its pretty mediocre. On another note, what is up with the song that is being played right before the team comes out of the tunnel? It is super lame and doesn't energize the crowd at all.

[paulxu]

And put something on the big blue wall. Maybe a large screen like they had for graduation.

[kyxu]

7 years? Is Xavier hurting that bad financially?


It's a $25 million project. For a school whose endowment is roughly $150 million, that's not a small price tag.

Having said that, AD Christopher said the changes will be implemented gradually over a 7-year period so that they don't have to shut the Cintas down for an extended period (and move the basketball teams off-site for a season) to implement these changes. As big of a money maker as basketball is for the university, especially since its played on-campus and not some NBA arena where Xavier has to pay rent, you have to respect that.

[xudash]

It's a $25 million project. For a school whose endowment is roughly $150 million, that's not a small price tag.

Having said that, AD Christopher said the changes will be implemented gradually over a 7-year period so that they don't have to shut the Cintas down for an extended period (and move the basketball teams off-site for a season) to implement these changes. As big of a money maker as basketball is for the university, especially since its played on-campus and not some NBA arena where Xavier has to pay rent, you have to respect that.

The endowment is $155 million today, but is about to go over $200 million rather quickly with the recently announced $100 million in gifts that came in from the silent phase of the $240 million cap campaign going on now. It isn't going to $255 million quickly because a chunk of that $100 million will be funding a new rec center and programmatic activity. All this was recently documented in the published article, so it should be no surprise to anyone.

As far as the CC is concerned, they have to do this work spread out over time because of what Greg mentioned and you highlighted: we have to continue on an ongoing basis in that building; we can't shut it down for a complete overhaul while playing somewhere else. The math doesn't work and it would hurt us, as that place is a cash register for the University as it is.

Just sit back and enjoy the improvements over the next 7 years, because its improvements to an otherwise wonderful place, not badly needed lipstick on a pig.

[94GRAD]

The endowment is $155 million today, but is about to go over $200 million rather quickly with the recently announced $100 million in gifts that came in from the silent phase of the $240 million cap campaign going on now. It isn't going to $255 million quickly because a chunk of that $100 million will be funding a new rec center and programmatic activity. All this was recently documented in the published article, so it should be no surprise to anyone.

As far as the CC is concerned, they have to do this work spread out over time because of what Greg mentioned and you highlighted: we have to continue on an ongoing basis in that building; we can't shut it down for a complete overhaul while playing somewhere else. The math doesn't work and it would hurt us, as that place is a cash register for the University as it is.

Just sit back and enjoy the improvements over the next 7 years, because its improvements to an otherwise wonderful place, not badly needed lipstick on a watermelon.

Fixed that for you

[Always Learning]

Waaaaa
"I wanna go back to Schmidt," or even the Gardens because ....
CC doesn't have valet (must also be FREE) service from parking lots
CC has bad Dogs (att'n Kahn's)
CC has no second scoreboard with stats in end zone (too hard to look up over center court at state of the art scoreboard)
CC Volunteer concessionaires don't know how to pour beer (Up the price and hire Union bartenders)
CC doesn't have non-line urinals ... (drink less - p*ss less)
CC charges as much as $25 a ticket (check out comparable Bengal & Reds ticket prices)
CC has games scheduled in cold months
CC generally is a dump, and I'm sick and tired of having every game on TV (home and away) and playing in that rinky dink BE!

Besides, we haven't had a new coach in five years.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Waaaaa
"I wanna go back to Schmidt," or even the Gardens because ....
CC doesn't have valet (must also be FREE) service from parking lots
CC has bad Dogs (att'n Kahn's)
CC has no second scoreboard with stats in end zone (too hard to look up over center court at state of the art scoreboard)
CC Volunteer concessionaires don't know how to pour beer (Up the price and hire Union bartenders)
CC doesn't have non-line urinals ... (drink less - p*ss less)
CC charges as much as $25 a ticket (check out comparable Bengal & Reds ticket prices)
CC has games scheduled in cold months
CC generally is a dump, and I'm sick and tired of having every game on TV (home and away) and playing in that rinky dink BE!

Besides, we haven't had a new coach in five years.

What are you talking about?

[94GRAD]

What are you talking about?

I believe you completely missed his sarcasm.

[Masterofreality]

Wouldn't serving Herschels improve Cintas Center?

[muskiefan82]

I think the first step in making Cintas better was taken when we no longer allowed UD to enter the building.

[birdman71]

I think the first step in making Cintas better was taken when we no longer allowed UD to enter the building.

I have enjoyed their LEAVING the building since, well, since the Carter administration.

[Milhouse]

Wouldn't serving Herschels improve Cintas Center?

I endorse this.

[paulxu]

I did not realize they played tennis in the Cintas.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CD3LR7tUMAADgHo.jpg:large

[TUclutch]

I did not realize they played tennis in the Cintas.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CD3LR7tUMAADgHo.jpg:large

It was a one time event I believe. James Blake, Andy Roddick and a couple other big names had a charity event I think it was.

[THRILLHOUSE]

I did not realize they played tennis in the Cintas.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CD3LR7tUMAADgHo.jpg:large

looks like no one in Cincinnati did either.

[94GRAD]

Lower bowl tix were $125

[theleague]

Damn, I need to make more money....

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2015/11/02/xavier-to-expand-cintas-center.html

[xu82]

Damn, I need to make more money....

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2015/11/02/xavier-to-expand-cintas-center.html

You don't have to kick in the whole $25 million, but it would take the pressure off the rest of us. I'll buy you a beer......

[TUclutch]

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/xaviersports/2015/11/02/next-cintas-center-renovations-designed-xu-fans/75023838/

One interesting point from the article:

Since the changes affect roughly 7,000 season ticket holders, fans must pick new seats in the spring and summer of 2017. The process will be similar to 2000, when fans chose their seats at then-new Cintas Center. The Musketeer Points program will serve as the foundation for the selection plan.

[Muskie]

Is the deck above the students going to be something like DePaul has? (The Demon Deck)?

[drudy23]

When they talk about "we've listened to the fans", do people really think recliner seats, exclusive "clubs", and the ability to socialize more is an improvement to the game experience? The "we've listened to the fans" mantra is crap...give me great, competitive basketball and a decent seat...I'm good.

Also don't understand how adding 150 seats requires a complete re-pick of seats.

[BMoreX]

The new seats are really going to funnel the student section noise onto the court.

Like all the changes.

[xudash]

When they talk about "we've listened to the fans", do people really think recliner seats, exclusive "clubs", and the ability to socialize more is an improvement to the game experience? The "we've listened to the fans" mantra is crap...give me great, competitive basketball and a decent seat...I'm good.

Also don't understand how adding 150 seats requires a complete re-pick of seats.

And that is why you aren't the AD.

[KC4X]

Gotta say I'm with Drudy on the point about reselecting seats. If somebody is happy with his or her seats, why should that person have to move? I like the deck addition, though.

[drudy23]

Yeah, I know the answers are about money and increasing revenue, like always.

Let's just not say "this is what the fans want" and that's why we spent 25 large. I understand "fan experience" but Most fans care about the quality of play on the court, especially with hoops.

I do fully believe that half of people at bengals games are there for the party, but with hoops, I think most are there to watch the the quality of the product.

[Cheesehead]

Love the deck. I always thought they had wasted space on that end of the arena.

[GoMuskies]

When they talk about "we've listened to the fans"

They listened to the fans. About 100 of them.

[Kahns Krazy]

Yeah, I know the answers are about money and increasing revenue, like always.

Let's just not say "this is what the fans want" and that's why we spent 25 large. I understand "fan experience" but Most fans care about the quality of play on the court, especially with hoops.

I do fully believe that half of people at bengals games are there for the party, but with hoops, I think most are there to watch the the quality of the product.

If you hang out in the endzone at a Bengals game it might seem that way. Where I sit, it does not. If you stand where I stand at the Cintas, it would seem that nobody is there to watch the game. I think it's a perception thing. Way more kids at a Xavier game, who generally like to be distracted with non-game activities.

[Kahns Krazy]

When they talk about "we've li$tened to the fan$",

Does that help clear it up?

[xudash]

Yeah, I know the answers are about money and increasing revenue, like always.

Let's just not say "this is what the fans want" and that's why we spent 25 large. I understand "fan experience" but Most fans care about the quality of play on the court, especially with hoops.

I do fully believe that half of people at bengals games are there for the party, but with hoops, I think most are there to watch the the quality of the product.

I agree with you completely about fans caring about the quality of the product.

Xavier cares about:

1. Quality of the product; and
2. Fan experience.

X cares about both, in that order. X has to care about it in that order, because #2 will evaporate over time if #1 isn't happening. To the extent #1 is happening, especially as it is happening now and given how it is positioned to happen for the foreseeable future (i.e. Big East, Chris Mack, et al), Xavier can get "fancy" with #2.

I truly don't mean this as a dig to those of you who are in the younger set here, but you can't begin to imagine how far this program has come since the days of Bob Staak. I always had hopes for Xavier basketball since he arrived on the scene, but I couldn't begin to imagine all this. I still remember chuckling over the live cam shots of the Cintas Center rising out of the former pit parking area.

Now we have all this, with more to come with Cintas improvements. BUT here's the thing - at least this is my opinion: Xavier is making classy moves with what it's doing to the place. It truly is establishing a sustainable program for the future, if it hadn't already done so; these moves keep it current in the facilities arms race.

Yes, it's about money and increasing cash flow (i.e. not revenue, technically). Remember that the article mentioned" "prices for 47 percent of seats will rise, 49 percent will drop and the others will stay the same." It will end up being something for everyone, with a few people upset, some people elated, and others okay with the whole smash, ready to have a few brews and watch some basketball while taking in the new scenery.

[X-man]

I don't understand why 7000 of us are going to have to repack our seats. My group worked very hard with our seat selection when the Cintas opened, and we got the seats we wanted as a consequence. I'll be damned if I am told that I have to give up my seats and move. Should that happen, I will give up my seats and not move.

[nuts4xu]

I have a feeling, my seats will become much more expensive with the renovations. I am in the 5th row in the corner, which is currently Premium 2. It is a section with collapsing seats, which will be replaced with padded versions. If they are going to completely shuffle the deck, and have everyone re-choose their seats, my guess is the seats I currently sit in will not be Premium 2.

I don't know this for sure, and I am not going to worry about it. I will cross that bridge when I get to it.

[muskienick]

I have a feeling, my seats will become much more expensive with the renovations. I am in the 5th row in the corner, which is currently Premium 2. It is a section with collapsing seats, which will be replaced with padded versions. If they are going to completely shuffle the deck, and have everyone re-choose their seats, my guess is the seats I currently sit in will not be available to me.

I don't know this for sure, and I am not going to worry about it. I will cross that bridge when I get to it.

I'm with you, NUTS. We are a group of 6; our seats are in two rows, 4 in R and 2 in S in the middle section across from the team benches. They are Premium 1 and I have a hunch that ours may increase also, I know I'm not getting credit for our longevity since their records don't go back that far (season ticket holder since the 60's). But I'm not going to make any rash decisions now until I know for sure how things are going to play out.

[ThrowDownDBrown]

I don't understand why 7000 of us are going to have to repack our seats. My group worked very hard with our seat selection when the Cintas opened, and we got the seats we wanted as a consequence. I'll be damned if I am told that I have to give up my seats and move. Should that happen, I will give up my seats and not move.

I'm sure everyone can either keep their exact same seats or only slightly move to very similar ones if they're willing to pay for the potential increase in price. But by all means continue to freak out.

[muskienick]

I also believe the sound system needs a big improvement.

[nuts4xu]

I don't understand why 7000 of us are going to have to repack our seats. My group worked very hard with our seat selection when the Cintas opened, and we got the seats we wanted as a consequence. I'll be damned if I am told that I have to give up my seats and move. Should that happen, I will give up my seats and not move.

You sit 3 rows behind me, and are in permanent seats. I suspect you will have the option of keeping your seats, but you may be asked to pay more. They may make all of section 104 Premium I, and increase pricing, which will suck. I know a few people that have been moved over the years for various reasons, and they typically had the option to pay more for a similar seat. I don't think everyone will have to start from scratch and pick our seats like we did when CC first opened.

Too little information is known right now for me to know what my Dad and I will do.

[Muskie1000]

I also believe they can use this time to start charging seat fees to the end zone. I sure hope not because I'm not in the financial position to do so.

[bleedXblue]

The upper level seats at the Cintas are still an absolute bargain if you ask me. Sure I'd love to sit down low.... but if they start to shake you guys down, we'd welcome you up top. The experience is still great and we are less than 50 yards away from the craft beer bar.......YUM.

[drudy23]

They listened to the fans. About 100 of them.

Very true....but really my point. Just say "our 100 biggest contributors wanted to make some changes, so we decided to make them." Don't give me the "for the good of the group" BS

[X-man]

I'm sure everyone can either keep their exact same seats or only slightly move to very similar ones if they're willing to pay for the potential increase in price. But by all means continue to freak out.

Not "freaking out". Just stating a position. I have purchased premium seating for years even though I am entitled to two free tickets to each game. I want to support the program financially, but don't want to be held up or treated badly. That's all.

[paulxu]

I'm in the process of upgrading my premium front row FXS1 seating arrangement at chezpaulxu in Spartanburg.
The bourbon is now accessible from a seated position, mrspaulxu with cateringsareus has been contracted for in game food service, and bids are being taken for half time entertainment from the local colleges.

Play Ball!

[Xville]

When they talk about "we've listened to the fans", do people really think recliner seats, exclusive "clubs", and the ability to socialize more is an improvement to the game experience? The "we've listened to the fans" mantra is crap...give me great, competitive basketball and a decent seat...I'm good.

Also don't understand how adding 150 seats requires a complete re-pick of seats.

I completely agree with what you are saying in that "give me great, competitive basketball and a decent seat and I'm good." Unfortunately, there are a lot of people who do not feel the same way...there are a lot of people who have to feel exclusive or impress friends or family because they can get into a club that others can't at a game etc. Those things are nice, and I have been to several of those "exclusive" clubs for all kinds of sporting events...but when it comes down to it...i would much rather be in the middle of a standing and cheering crowd and really feel the atmosphere of the game.

To each their own, but this "exclusivity" thing is becoming more and more the trend in sports arenas...i'm not a fan of it because although they are nice, I don't see the point of it when all I want to do is watch the game.

[xupuck10]

I don't understand why 7000 of us are going to have to repack our seats. My group worked very hard with our seat selection when the Cintas opened, and we got the seats we wanted as a consequence. I'll be damned if I am told that I have to give up my seats and move. Should that happen, I will give up my seats and not move.

From the FAQ section of Experience Cintas Center (http://www.experiencecintascenter.com/faq/), "The Cintas Center renovations will affect the capacity within the arena by adding additional seats. Some sections will lose seats, while other new sections will be added. These upgrades will cause a new seating manifest to be created for the 2017-2018 season. Because some seats will no longer exist, the most fair and equitable way to determine seat locations is to hold a new seat selection process for the Cintas Center based on Musketeer Points."

Makes sense to me.

[Xaveriana]

The re-selection is BS. When Cintas opened, I knew no one in my section. Over the last 15 years, the people around me have developed tight relationships. We hang-out outside Xavier Basketball. We all have different seniority levels and, as such, will not get to pick seats at the same time. Most likely the 15 or so of us will be broken-up so that 150 seats can be added. Is this what Xavier is about? I am extremely pissed about the whole concept of re-selection. Is this how our loyalty to the program is rewarded? Hopefully Xavier comes to their senses and re-thinks the re-selection. Why ruin a good thing for a select few? :mad:

[MADXSTER]

I don't think much will change as far as where people sit. In fact, if people decide to move, it will be a small move and probably a tad better. Some will prefer to go up to the Lookout and get the food and drinks. Their seats will open up here and there, thus creating some small openings. If 150 people are moving then not much will probably change.

[CSS85]

From the FAQ section of Experience Cintas Center (http://www.experiencecintascenter.com/faq/), "The Cintas Center renovations will affect the capacity within the arena by adding additional seats. Some sections will lose seats, while other new sections will be added. These upgrades will cause a new seating manifest to be created for the 2017-2018 season. Because some seats will no longer exist, the most fair and equitable way to determine seat locations is to hold a new seat selection process for the Cintas Center based on Musketeer Points."

Makes sense to me.

I understand the general requirement, given that existing seats are being eliminated and new locations added. I also understand that there are long time patrons in the eliminated section that deserve recognition to select seats given their "status", but I do think there is a way to just address those few, rather than what looks to be revising basically every seat. In the original selection process 15 years ago I was out of town on business and lost out on my qualification level time as a result. If that happens again, I will not be happy. They should make a provision for people with legitimate conflicts and appropriate seniority to be able to renew their current seats if they are not able to make their assigned time, rather than allow people with lower seniority to take the seat merely as the result of "chance".

Even tough it may be necessary, X better take care to make sure the fewest people will be upset. It is inevitable some people will be. My neighbor was so mad at the Bengals when they reassigned the Riverfront Stadium seats to PBS he not only didn't purchase the tickets, he hasn't watched a game since, and he was good friends with several of the Bengals players.

[Kahns Krazy]

The upper level seats at the Cintas are still an absolute bargain if you ask me. Sure I'd love to sit down low.... but if they start to shake you guys down, we'd welcome you up top. The experience is still great and we are less than 50 yards away from the craft beer bar.......YUM.

I hope you meant something other than 50 yards. The student section is barely 50 yards from the craft beer bar.

[STL_XUfan]

I understand the general requirement, given that existing seats are being eliminated and new locations added. I also understand that there are long time patrons in the eliminated section that deserve recognition to select seats given their "status", but I do think there is a way to just address those few, rather than what looks to be revising basically every seat. In the original selection process 15 years ago I was out of town on business and lost out on my qualification level time as a result. If that happens again, I will not be happy. They should make a provision for people with legitimate conflicts and appropriate seniority to be able to renew their current seats if they are not able to make their assigned time, rather than allow people with lower seniority to take the seat merely as the result of "chance".

Even tough it may be necessary, X better take care to make sure the fewest people will be upset. It is inevitable some people will be. My neighbor was so mad at the Bengals when they reassigned the Riverfront Stadium seats to PBS he not only didn't purchase the tickets, he hasn't watched a game since, and he was good friends with several of the Bengals players.

If you need a proxy, I am sure there are lots of college students that will appear in your place for the price of a few beers.

[XUMIOH12]

These are very good changes for the stadium, overall. Once the initial overreaction of some people surpasses, they will realize that there probably won't be much of a change in where you have the option to sit, although im sure the pricing will be different.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Anyone know what % of the tas' seats are season tickets?

[XUBob]

I've heard that there are about 7,000 season ticket holders , I was a history teacher but it seems to be right about 70%.

[bleedXblue]

I hope you meant something other than 50 yards. The student section is barely 50 yards from the craft beer bar.

50 yards, 50 feet whatever....we're about as close as you can get

is there another craft beer bar that I'm not aware of on the lower concourse?

[nuts4xu]

50 yards, 50 feet whatever....we're about as close as you can get

is there another craft beer bar that I'm not aware of on the lower concourse?

The court is 29 yards long (94 feet), so the craft beer bar at the top of the arena, above the Joseph club is barely 50 yards from the student section.

[xeus]

I understand a potential increase in pricing. But I absolutely love my current seats - which is why I'd be willing to pay a bit more. But if I can't keep my exact seats due to this upgrade and subsequent reshuffling, I may not be renewing. I'll be pissed if I get bumped just because the Joseph boys want to have a better "game experience".

[coasterville95]

Ok, I have had time to review my email, and the Experience Cintas Center site. I got the email first, and it wasn't till I read this thread that I heard of the Experience Cintas Center site, which really helped. I think they did a disservice to themselves to not include that link in the email.,

Anyway, we always say we want to have a mini NBA arena, and these are the kind of upgrades that will get us there, or keep us there as the case may be, Yes, it is catering to the corporate or well heeled donor, but that is where the money comes from and that's what makes the wheels on the bus turn,

I've ready other schools fan sites, and reseating always causes quite the stir. Particularly those of us who aren't in the top 5% of donors, who instantly think, Somebody here is getting screwed, and that somebody is probably going to be me.

Looking over the plans, the Lookout is simply going to be an expansion onto the bridge, the living room looks like it is going to fit in the 'outside' area in front of Joseph Club, and the 20 more courtside seats are going where the AFO tables are now, So, unless I am missing something, the loss of seats iin the lower bowl is going to come from the new plusher wider seats in "The Front Line" (3" wider per seat, if only 10 seats per row means elimination of 2 seats per row, 5 rows of Front Line, six sections of Front Line is 60 seats right there. then it also sounds like the front rows of 101-106 along with 113 and 114 look to be going up to Premium I territory, and will be 21" seats (the width of the current club seats, I haven't been in those seats, so I don't know if that is a widening or not. But that would appear to be where the seat loss is coming from.

Some of that will be absorbed by filling in empty seats, and for the corporate accounts in the Club area, the new Lookout, Living Room or expanded Courtisde seating opportunities, all of which offer all inclusive food and beverage, may be very attractive. Imagine being able to not only bring your corporate clients to a game, but have them offered food, beverage, and club areas. Then those in Premium I may be attracted to move down and fill in those vacated club seats.

If that were it, I wouldn't be worried, but it looks like the bottoms of sections 101-104 are going to Premium I. Now, I know a lot of us sit in that piece of real estate, and love our seats, and I can't speak for anybody's financial situation, but what scares me is that people will go to Select-A-Seat, find out that their current seats have gone from a $500 seat licence to a $1,000 seat licence, and opt to move back a few rows, filing up the remaining $500 rows, and then somebody here gets faced with the options of,"Well, you can upgrade to the $1,000 seat, or you can downgrade to the upper bowl" (Where BleedXUBlue says he would welcome us with open arms and show us the way to the craft beer bar")

Luckily, my email included a promise that Xavier would 'protect our investment' and that we would be guaranteed at least one seating location in the same price category. (It looks like to compensate for upgrading the lower rows of 101-104 to Prem I, that they are downgrading the upper rows of 113 and 114 to Prem II to absorb the fallout. But if I had those seats and didn't have an seat improvement aspirations, why would I move out if I could take a big price reduction.

I don't envy the person that has to plan Select-A-Seat with the added stipulation that you can't go strictly by points, you also have to preserve peoples price category. Nor the person that gets to field all the phone calls and emails from season ticket holders who will, I'm sure be butthurt, after all we feel like we OWN those seats.

But I also see, its fairer than "Your seat was ripped out, so go back to square one", or having some computer algorithm blindly reseat everybody. The other thing I see getting hurt is losing your Xavier Game friends, you know, how you have become friends with all the season ticket holders around you, and this may split people up purely because you have differing levels of Muskie Points.

Also of note, it looks like Xavier may be regretting signing us to those 5 year locked contracts, my email states their future plan is to do away with the multi year premium seat agreements in favor of year to year agreements. (Which means for us we have no guarantee that they might on any whim may start to gradually jack up pricing every year from there on out)

Looking it over, it looks to me like here is what is happening:

Court Side - Sideline - new chairs and food/bev, gain Courtside and Traditions club - going from $3,000/$750 to $5,000/$1,000 (an increase of $2,250 per seat)
Court Side - Baseline - new chairs and food/bev, gain Courtside and Traditions club - going from $2,500/$750 to $4,000/$1.000 (an increase of $1,750 per seat)
Club - Lower rows of are now "The Front Line" - new chairs, new Traditions Club - going from $1,750/$525 to $2,000/$600 (an increase of $325 per seat)
Club - upper rows of current club are now "Green" - lose Joseph Club , gain Traditions Club - going from $1,750/$525 to $1500/$550 (a reduction of $225 per seat!)
Premium I - now "Orange" Was all of 105, 106, 113 and 114, and the upper rows of 107-112, NOW lower rows of 101-106, upper rows of 107-112, and lower rows of 113-144) - sections 101-106 and 113-114 might get wider chairs, not sure of what is there now. - Was $850/$525 now $1,000/$550 - an increase of $175 per seat
Premium II - now "Yellow" Was 101-104, now upper rows of 101-106 and upper rows of 113-114 - goes from $575/$525 to $500/$500 - a reduction of $100 per seat!
Premiums Blue, White and Silver are all flattened down to "Blue" - lower rows of all upper deck sections.
Prem Blue (lower rows of upper deck sideline) - go from $300/$425 to $250/$425 - a reduction of $50 per seat!
Prem Silver (lower rows of upper deck sides outside the baselines) $200/$425 to $250/$425 - a increase of $50 per seat
Prem White (lower rows of upper deck corners/endzone) -
Corners go from $150/$425 to $250/$325 - no change in costs.
Endzone goes from $150/$425 to $250/$225 a reduction of $100 per seat.

and new premium seating opportunities
Lookout - was the group sales party deck (bridge) in front of Duffs, also used as a SRO area. - new cantileavered seating area to add a new seating deck that overhangs the student section, also includes its own club and food/ limited drinks - 172 brand new seats for $1,750/$550 - price point between the upper and lower halves of the current "Club" section.
Living Room (couches and coffee tables with an iPad like device, 1st row of Joseph club, currently the 'outside' row of Joseph and was first come first serve amongst Joseph Club members - will also include food/bev) - 32 new seats for $3,500/$750 - the 'indoor' part of Joseph Club will be more restricted to just "Front Line", Courtside and Living Room class seating. - Price point between current Club and Courtside.

Remaining unaffected upper deck seats -
- Price plan is inferred to remain stable.

[waggy]

Gotta pay for those stipends somehow.

[X-man]

I'm sure everyone can either keep their exact same seats or only slightly move to very similar ones if they're willing to pay for the potential increase in price. But by all means continue to freak out.

Because the increase in price for my seats appears to be a jump from Premium II to Premium I, that would seem to be a good reason to "freak out" as you so cleverly put it. You, I assume, would be more than happy to be shafted like this.

[Kahns Krazy]

what does "Endzone goes from $150/$425 to $250/$225 a reduction of $100 per seat." mean?

[coasterville95]

Khans - looking at the current price of premium white - which is the lower rows of the end zone and then looking at the lowest of the three new "blue" premium categories - both figures taken from current Xavier websites. First number is the seat donation second is actual cost of ticket (you of course, pay both)

[coasterville95]

x-man, what row are you again in 104 - my email was customiZed for the group "rows h-s, sections 101-104". If you are in H or higher you may fall into "Yellow" on the new chart which is the equivalent of Premium 2.

[bleedXblue]

The court is 29 yards long (94 feet), so the craft beer bar at the top of the arena, above the Joseph club is barely 50 yards from the student section.

On a straight line maybe. But to get up there you have to probably double that distance at least.

Are we really debating this?

[X-man]

x-man, what row are you again in 104 - my email was customiZed for the group "rows h-s, sections 101-104". If you are in H or higher you may fall into "Yellow" on the new chart which is the equivalent of Premium 2.

I am in Row I, so perhaps my row won't change premium level. Having seen more about the upgrade process, I now believe that only Rows A-G (the movable seats) will go to Premium I after being widened and made permanent. Reading between the lines, I suspect that those people in these seats, if they wish to move, will be able to do so. However they will be prioritized on the basis of time in seats, etc. in their ability to bump others.

I have not received any e-mail, but the people right behind me have. They, like you I suspect, were told they might have to move. Why I have not received an e-mail is anyone's guess. But perhaps because I have held my seats since the Cintas opened, I won't get bumped and therefore I will be able to keep them*. A little more transparency from Athletics would be helpful here.

*So much for my theory. Just got the letter saying I may have to change seats. What a nice way to reward someone who has bought season tickets for over 25 years (even though free ones were available), and who has been an AFO member for at least 15 years. This process really sucks, and my suspicion is that enough people are going to be pissed off about it that they lose some of their long-time supporters.

[Kahns Krazy]

Khans - looking at the current price of premium white - which is the lower rows of the end zone and then looking at the lowest of the three new "blue" premium categories - both figures taken from current Xavier websites. First number is the seat donation second is actual cost of ticket (you of course, pay both)

Us rafter rats do not pay a premium. We mooch off the rest of you supporters to experience the game from the cheapest possible vantage point. Then we wait for Nuts's dad to miss a game and sneak down to the hoity toity seats. We are the scavengers of the basketball food chain.

[Muskie1000]

Us rafter rats do not pay a premium. We mooch off the rest of you supporters to experience the game from the cheapest possible vantage point. Then we wait for Nuts's dad to miss a game and sneak down to the hoity toity seats. We are the scavengers of the basketball food chain.

exactly and I want to continue my cheap but fruitful endeavors.

[Tardy Turtle]

This "reseating" garbage can get fucked. I ain't movin' without a court order.

[Juice]

This "reseating" garbage can get fucked. I ain't movin' without a court order.

This will be Tardy in a few years:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFzDFMv09rc

[Muskie]

x-man, what row are you again in 104 - my email was customiZed for the group "rows h-s, sections 101-104". If you are in H or higher you may fall into "Yellow" on the new chart which is the equivalent of Premium 2.

You and I are in the same boat. I'm torn on what to do.

[nuts4xu]

On a straight line maybe. But to get up there you have to probably double that distance at least.

Are we really debating this?

No, not at all.

[coasterville95]

Bleed - since they are debatign this, does this mean you will no longer welcome us with open arms and lead us to the craft beer bar if we get bounced to the upper level? And don't forget that walk from the student section to said craft beer bar involved quite a few stairs and taking the concourse - it's not "as the crow flies" and that uphill climb has got to count for something.

Kahns - We, the premium seat holders still appreciate you, how about providing us with another one of those Kahns Krazy Magic Bus Trips (tm) as a way to show your appreciation.

Muskie - I'm going with "stick my head in the sand for 18 months and see where my life circumstances are when my number comes up on the Select-A-Seat machine." I REALLY love my seats - they are on an aisle, they are the back row of 104, so great view, a little shelf behind my seat for bags and stuff, easy access to a beer stand, a men's room, the X-Store, and a snack bar. In other words, prime real estate. I also only have 151 points. Back row on an aisle? I fear I won't be able to get those back after the deck is shuffled. Not to start with the sob stories already, but those seats also work out well for my elderly mother that I take to the games. She's the reason I actually moved from 208, she just could not do all the stairs. A ramp from the concourse, then only like 5 stairs down into our seats and not having to climb over anybody. But then, at this point how should I know what her health will be like in 2 years. I may have to play the ADA accomodation card.

[X-man]

Bleed - since they are debatign this, does this mean you will no longer welcome us with open arms and lead us to the craft beer bar if we get bounced to the upper level? And don't forget that walk from the student section to said craft beer bar involved quite a few stairs and taking the concourse - it's not "as the crow flies" and that uphill climb has got to count for something.

Kahns - We, the premium seat holders still appreciate you, how about providing us with another one of those Kahns Krazy Magic Bus Trips (tm) as a way to show your appreciation.

Muskie - I'm going with "stick my head in the sand for 18 months and see where my life circumstances are when my number comes up on the Select-A-Seat machine." I REALLY love my seats - they are on an aisle, they are the back row of 104, so great view, a little shelf behind my seat for bags and stuff, easy access to a beer stand, a men's room, the X-Store, and a snack bar. In other words, prime real estate. I also only have 151 points. Back row on an aisle? I fear I won't be able to get those back after the deck is shuffled. Not to start with the sob stories already, but those seats also work out well for my elderly mother that I take to the games. She's the reason I actually moved from 208, she just could not do all the stairs. A ramp from the concourse, then only like 5 stairs down into our seats and not having to climb over anybody. But then, at this point how should I know what her health will be like in 2 years. I may have to play the ADA accomodation card.
I have 321 points. I also have not received an e-mail from Athletics. I have no idea whether that is good or bad. What I do know is that I bought seats at the Gardens for 10 years, and have held my Premium II seats at the Cintas since it opened. Hopefully that is good for something.

[Lamont Sanford]

Us rafter rats do not pay a premium. We mooch off the rest of you supporters to experience the game from the cheapest possible vantage point. Then we wait for Nuts's dad to miss a game and sneak down to the hoity toity seats. We are the scavengers of the basketball food chain.

Hell yeah! Capitalism at its best.

[coasterville95]

Maybe you have enough points to be golden, they have a percentile chart on experiencecintascenter.com. 142 points is the 55% percenticle, and I think 189. is the 60% percentile. In your case 326 = 70% percenticle.

I will gain another 48 points between now and then just on seat donations (3 points per $100) as well as at least 1 more point for the 2016-2017 season tickets, and 1 point for another year of AFO membership.

The per year season ticket bonus only goes back to 2000, but it says anybody who had season tickets the last year of the Gardens and had had season tickets since Cintas opened gets a one time 10 point longevity bonus. Also 10 points for being an alumni, and 10 points if you were a student-athlete.

Essentially you can buy points at 3/$100 through AFO gifts. Each year of AFO membership ($100 or more giving/ year is a point. Every year you help men's season tickets is a point - I only got 10 points from this so it must be 1 point no matter how many seats held. and a point for every year since 2005 for women's season tickets, and 1 point for every Big East (mens or womens) tournament pass purchased direct from XU. Preplanning gifts are worth 1 point per $1,000 preplanned commitment.

Hidden furhter into the site, the parking is also going to be reallocated at the same time, based soley on your total AFO gifts, not ponts.

[Muskie]

Bleed - since they are debatign this, does this mean you will no longer welcome us with open arms and lead us to the craft beer bar if we get bounced to the upper level? And don't forget that walk from the student section to said craft beer bar involved quite a few stairs and taking the concourse - it's not "as the crow flies" and that uphill climb has got to count for something.

Kahns - We, the premium seat holders still appreciate you, how about providing us with another one of those Kahns Krazy Magic Bus Trips (tm) as a way to show your appreciation.

Muskie - I'm going with "stick my head in the sand for 18 months and see where my life circumstances are when my number comes up on the Select-A-Seat machine." I REALLY love my seats - they are on an aisle, they are the back row of 104, so great view, a little shelf behind my seat for bags and stuff, easy access to a beer stand, a men's room, the X-Store, and a snack bar. In other words, prime real estate. I also only have 151 points. Back row on an aisle? I fear I won't be able to get those back after the deck is shuffled. Not to start with the sob stories already, but those seats also work out well for my elderly mother that I take to the games. She's the reason I actually moved from 208, she just could not do all the stairs. A ramp from the concourse, then only like 5 stairs down into our seats and not having to climb over anybody. But then, at this point how should I know what her health will be like in 2 years. I may have to play the ADA accomodation card.

I need to look at my points. But I fear I don't have "enough" as well. From the chart, it looks like I will be selecting sometime in week 2.

[X-man]

I need to look at my points. But I fear I don't have "enough" as well. From the chart, it looks like I will be selecting sometime in week 2.

Yeah, but you have to remember that most of those ticketholders with high MusketeerPoint totals, likely have those totals because they are in the higher premium seats. They will be selecting ahead of you (and me), but will be selecting in the higher premium areas. By the time it filters down to us "low rollers", we may very well be some of the first to be choosing seats in Premium II. At least this is what I hope happens.

[Muskie]

Yeah, but you have to remember that most of those ticketholders with high MusketeerPoint totals, likely have those totals because they are in the higher premium seats. They will be selecting ahead of you (and me), but will be selecting in the higher premium areas. By the time it filters down to us "low rollers", we may very well be some of the first to be choosing seats in Premium II. At least this is what I hope happens.
Yes. I hope that's the case.

[Kahns Krazy]

So what they are saying is that people who give the most money get the first choice of seats? Where in the f**k did they come up with this bullsh*t???

OCCUPY CINTAS!

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[Masterofreality]

I have 321 points. I also have not received an e-mail from Athletics. I have no idea whether that is good or bad. What I do know is that I bought seats at the Gardens for 10 years, and have held my Premium II seats at the Cintas since it opened. Hopefully that is good for something.

If you have Premium Seating for your season seats, do you still get an automatic in to the Joseph Club, or did they change that a few years ago? Now that I've got full premium seats, I want my Private Club and Champagne Room!!!!

[94GRAD]

If you have Premium Seating for your season seats, do you still get an automatic in to the Joseph Club, or did they change that a few years ago? Now that I've got full premium seats, I want my Private Club and Champagne Room!!!!

The only seats that are allowed in the Joe Club are Club seats. The first 14 rows within the court on each side. I believe 1400 people.

[Masterofreality]

The only seats that are allowed in the Joe Club are Club seats. The first 14 rows within the court on each side. I believe 1400 people.

Damn! I guess that means I'll be forced to drink at Dana's! :-)

[coasterville95]

And to think the upper deck crew can sit back and watch 2 years of hand wringing and bellyaching from us lower deckers about where we get to sit to watch a college basketball game.

#FirstWorldProblems.

[X-man]

If you have Premium Seating for your season seats, do you still get an automatic in to the Joseph Club, or did they change that a few years ago? Now that I've got full premium seats, I want my Private Club and Champagne Room!!!!

I have never had access to the Joseph Club. It has been limited to Premium I and above since the Cintas opened. That will not change.

[Milhouse]

WHat's the threshold for Duff's before the game?

[X-man]

As a Premium II donor, I have access to Duff's. I don't ever go though because the food and beer there really suck.

[coasterville95]

I thought even Premium III (or Blue/White/Silver) as they are called now had Duff's access.

Agree that the beer selection in Duff's is the WORST in the arena. Only redeaming feature of Duff's is the pre-game show, but it sounds like that is going to Traditions Club when this all shakes out.

[xu82]

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This continues to piss me off! I'm trying to calm myself to avoid a Snipe-style rant..... By lost, do you think she means misplaced? Did some guy in a suit actually come and take the house away on a giant truck during the night? Or do you think, just maybe, they stopped making the payments? They payments they agreed to in writing. For the house they wanted. Maybe they should just try occupying a job. I got out of banking years ago, but this stuff still strikes a nerve with me. Maybe I can just let it go now. I'm done... for now. Thank you.

Oh, and it would tick me off if they took away my aisle seats at Cintas in the perfect section surrounded by my friends, but I get why they have to do it to some extent. Good luck to everyone getting messed with. I wish I was close enough to use your seats more than once a year.

[Cheesehead]

I am just beyond Premium III in 201 and I hope I get to stay where I am. I have the Craft beer counter just above our section which works for me. Maybe some day I can move down w/the high rollers but I now have XU tutition to pay for and then more college tuition (TBD) in less than 2 years, so it will be awhile before I make a move. I do like the changes though.

[KC4X]

I thought even Premium III (or Blue/White/Silver) as they are called now had Duff's access.

Agree that the beer selection in Duff's is the WORST in the arena. Only redeaming feature of Duff's is the pre-game show, but it sounds like that is going to Traditions Club when this all shakes out.

And the booze. Not a huge selection, but you could get hard liquor in there.

Also, I got the impression that some of the current Joseph Club patrons would be moved to Traditions Club.

[94GRAD]

FYI, For you drinkers that prefer AB products, you can rejoice. They now have the (mostly) exclusive rights on the concourse.

[coasterville95]

I also got that impression about "Traditions" - when I first heard about, especially with it going to become the home of the radio show, I thought it was going to be a sports bar all-fans area, sort of like the Fox Sports pavillion at Great American Ball Park. But when I looked at the seating options and ammernities chart, it looks like its going to be a replacement for "easing the overcrowding of Joseph" by restricing it to "Front Line" (lower half of current club seats) or better, with the expection of the Lookout, which will have its own club area. So essentially Front Line, Courtside or the dedicated "Living Room Seats" in Joseph.

As 94Grad mentioned - if you went to Muskie Madness, you will have seen that Larosas has been replaced by Donatos and Miller/Coors/Leinenkugel has been replaced ab AB InBev.

I think the can lineup is Bud, Bud Light, Mich Ultra, Goose Island IPA, Sam Adams Boston Lager, Magic Hat 9, Coney Island Hard Root Beer, Labatt Blue, and Labatt Blue Light. Some taps had the Sam Adams Oktoberfest on.

Cans range from $7-$8.

[X-band '01]

As much as I love Donatos' style of pizza, I'm surprised that they were able to replace a local brand like LaRosa's. (Donato's is actually based up in Columbus, FWIW)

[D-West & PO-Z]

As much as I love Donatos' style of pizza, I'm surprised that they were able to replace a local brand like LaRosa's. (Donato's is actually based up in Columbus, FWIW)

I love both but prefer Larosas in that type of setting. Usually more filling which is good when you are spending that much on pizza.

[coasterville95]

And the Donatos I had at Madness tasted like it was made at a Donatos catering facility somewhere, frozen, shipped across the country, pulled out of a freezer truck, then set under a heat lamp. Dried out and lifeless.

[xu82]

I love both but prefer Larosas in that type of setting. Usually more filling which is good when you are spending that much on pizza.

Is that code for "it soaks up the beer better"?

[Kahns Krazy]

And the booze. Not a huge selection, but you could get hard liquor in there.

Also, I got the impression that some of the current Joseph Club patrons would be moved to Traditions Club.

There is always a good selection of booze in the rafters. It always seems to be just what I'm in the mood for, and there's just enough for me. I love the Cintas that way.

[Kahns Krazy]

And the Donatos I had at Madness tasted like it was made at a Donatos catering facility somewhere, frozen, shipped across the country, pulled out of a freezer truck, then set under a heat lamp. Dried out and lifeless.

That is probably pretty damn close. The secret ingredient in Donatos is salt and more salt. I like a few bites now and then, but generally am not a fan.

[chico]

I have never had access to the Joseph Club. It has been limited to Premium I and above since the Cintas opened. That will not change.

Joseph is just club seats. I have Premium I and I've never been able to get in - but maybe that's just me.

[xeus]

Joseph is just club seats. I have Premium I and I've never been able to get in - but maybe that's just me.

If you tell the guy at the door that you are with XU87, you are in. Works every time.

[XU 87]

Joseph is just club seats. I have Premium I and I've never been able to get in - but maybe that's just me.

We don't accept your kind.

[muskienick]

Funny thing is I typed in nba scoreboards on Google image and Cintas scoreboard popped up. I still want two small scoreboards on the back wall and fix the sound system upper level :)

We sit in the lower level and we also feel the sound system is not adequate. The quality and volume are both too low in our estimation.

[nuts4xu]

Joseph is just club seats. I have Premium I and I've never been able to get in - but maybe that's just me.

I believe you can get into the Joseph Club if you own 4 Premium I tickets, or 2 club seats. I may be wrong.

Duff's is a meeting place for Premium II seat holders and above. The food is lousy, but I have never had an issue with the beer. It isn't craft beer, but it is cold, which is my first preference. I think the place holds a few hundred people before games.

[GIMMFD]

I've always wondered what goes on in the Joseph Club..

[coasterville95]

What happens in the Joseph Club stays in the Joseph Club.

I've been invited in a couple times. It's got a full bar with a better than average beer selection. Also you can order some food and appetizers from servers. They have a really nice fresh carved sandwich station (with a nice price). Free popcorn and free refills on sodas are nice plusses. Some tvs showing other games. In other words it's a stadium club. .

[Juice]

I've always wondered what goes on in the Joseph Club..

You don't even want to know...(freak fest 2K15)

[gladdenguy]

I've always wondered what goes on in the Joseph Club..

I pace back and forth and get real animated when its a close game. I basically get loud and the servers and bartenders look at me funny.

[MADXSTER]

I've always wondered what goes on in the Joseph Club..

Lap dances, Pitino kinda stuff

[Roadlife]

The idea of making it more like my living room makes me wonder why i just wouldn't be better off using the money spent for the Cintas experience to buy a larger TV and stay home in my actual living room, The kitchen is closer than the refreshment stand, the beer is of my choice & cheaper an I can get delivery of any food I want.

[D-West & PO-Z]

The idea of making it more like my living room makes me wonder why i just wouldn't be better off using the money spent for the Cintas experience to buy a larger TV and stay home in my actual living room, The kitchen is closer than the refreshment stand, the beer is of my choice & cheaper an I can get delivery of any food I want.

Ha, kind of a good point. Guess it just depends on why people go to the games as to what is important to them. Just give me a seat and I'm good.

[Xville]

The idea of making it more like my living room makes me wonder why i just wouldn't be better off using the money spent for the Cintas experience to buy a larger TV and stay home in my actual living room, The kitchen is closer than the refreshment stand, the beer is of my choice & cheaper an I can get delivery of any food I want.

true story. I believe that part is for the "need to be seen" or "need to impress someone" kind of "fan."

[Milhouse]

That's the struggle in all athletics.

Basketball I still REALLY enjoy going to the games and being there. It's also only 2 hours and usually the ONLY game I'm interested in is Xavier at the time.

Football. I've honestly got a great setup that I love. I hung a 40" TV next to my 55" and it has made saturdays and sundays much better. I still enjoy tailgating, but in terms of actual game experience, I prefer my living room. Climate Controlled, better view, access to food, alochol, restrooms etc...

[Xville]

That's the struggle in all athletics.

Basketball I still REALLY enjoy going to the games and being there. It's also only 2 hours and usually the ONLY game I'm interested in is Xavier at the time.

Football. I've honestly got a great setup that I love. I hung a 40" TV next to my 55" and it has made saturdays and sundays much better. I still enjoy tailgating, but in terms of actual game experience, I prefer my living room. Climate Controlled, better view, access to food, alochol, restrooms etc...

I hear ya. For me, it really depends on the opponent. If it is going to be a good game, good matchup maybe the team is ranked (whether it be football or basketball) then I would rather see it in person. If it is Miami Ohio or whoever else, then i would rather save my money and watch it at home.

[Masterofreality]

That's the struggle in all athletics.

Basketball I still REALLY enjoy going to the games and being there. It's also only 2 hours and usually the ONLY game I'm interested in is Xavier at the time.

Football. I've honestly got a great setup that I love. I hung a 40" TV next to my 55" and it has made saturdays and sundays much better. I still enjoy tailgating, but in terms of actual game experience, I prefer my living room. Climate Controlled, better view, access to food, alochol, restrooms etc...

This is a great post. I really don't see the need anymore to schlep down to a football stadium and sit there through endless TV timeouts for maybe 5 minutes of continuous action- even in great weather. The pre-game tail gate is more fun. Let me sit in my comfy chair with snacks, great TV angles and instant replay.

You have to wonder, as TV's get bigger and HD sharper, how many people will want to go to the games in person- especially if you have nosebleed, upper deck seats where the players look like ants. There's only so much "community goodwill" that goes around.

[coasterville95]

Isn't that the challenge that live sports all over are facing. The home experience, particularly if you are a stats person, can be argued to be better at home than in the arena.

I would also agree that the changes that Xavier are implementing here are purely for the "need to see and be seen" fan or the businessmen who needs to impress clients.

Both those groups also are known to be willing to throw around stupid money to get those perks.

[X-man]

I have a problem with Xavier unilaterally abrogating its seat agreements before the expiration of the five year term agreed to by both Xavier and me. The Premium II five year seat agreement that I signed in 2013 includes the following language: "You will have exclusive use of your Premium II seats for all Xavier Men's Basketball games played at the Cintas center during the term of this agreement, beginning with the 2013/2014 season through the 2017/2018 season." It also includes this: "At the conclusion of this agreement, you will be given the first option to renew your Premium II seats at the then current contribution rates and terms determined by Xavier and in accordance with renewal procedures established by Xavier".

Now I am being told in a letter from Brett Sanders of Athletics that my seats for the 2017-2018 season, and beyond, are "subject to the new seat selection". I don't believe that Xavier has the legal right to ignore the terms of my contract, and I plan to make my concerns known to Athletics next week. I also believe that even if Xavier does have that right, it is wrong for Xavier to ignore the commitment that its long-time fans have made to the program and to the Cintas Center.

Let's be clear here. Xavier wants more money, and I have no problem with that except that it will come at the expense of losing some of their longest and most loyal fans. At a minimum, Xavier needs to honor the agreements in place at the current time before subjecting its Premium II seat holders to the reselection process. I suspect that I will not be impacted much given my "point total". However others around me will likely be more heavily impacted, even though they have been program supporters for as long as I but in seats near me for a shorter period of time because they replaced some members of our original selection group when those members left the area or died. If our group breaks up, these people will relinquish their tickets, and that is wrong. It will hurt both them and Xavier. Xavier needs to rethink and modify what they propose to do before such damage is done.

Thoughts?

[Tu 4 MVP]

You guys realize that this is a common occurrence across college basketball, right? When arenas are updated/replaced, the seats have to be re-selected. You may not get the same seat, but I'm sure it will be fairly comparable. Its something that has to be done and this is the most fair way. Get over it. I really cant believe how personal some of guys are taking this.

[kmcrawfo]

A few things drove this besides simply wanting more money. Stimulating more revenue is certainly one reason for the changes; however, there is also the fact that many of the seats in the few rows of the Cintas had aged to the point where they required replacement. However, when the University attempted to replace them with the exact same model they discovered it was no longer made and they had to change to a completely new seat. At that point they said if they were going to change, then they would go with a larger, more comfortable seat altogether. Thus, less seats in those first few rows. Then, the thought is we lost some seats here, where can we make that up. Leads to brainstorming ways to add more seats in new locations. Then, thoughts given to what makes us catch up with our peers in terms of amenities for the fans and donors. This lead to the more luxurious seats, clubs, and other amenities.

Once you removed seats from those lower rows, they had to reallocate the seats. There was really no other option. For those people there seats literally no longer exist.

Another thing to keep in mind is that players, recruits, and their families notice these things too. Having everything new, posh, etc around the stadium does improve recruiting in addition to stimulating more donations to the program which also helps recruiting and progress as well.

This had to happen at some point....

[coasterville95]

Is it true that the retractable rows in the front are going to be replaced with more permanent seating? It could not have been good on those seats to have to be folded down or collapsed every time those rows were retracted. For those that have never gotten that close at Cintas, let's just at those seats have to flex and fold more than the average seat.

And yeah, it's common, it's also just as common for affected fans to go on sports forums like this and whine and bellyache.

It's all good business until it affects your seat, then it's personal.

[xu82]

I don't know this for certain, but I'd be very surprised if there isn't some language somewhere that basically trumps all the other promises made in the seat agreements. In case of remodeling, natural disaster, whatever, they will do their best to make everyone whole with comparable arrangements. Otherwise they'd be boxing themselves into a corner, and I doubt they did that. This wouldn't be the first time a situation like this has occurred. At the end of the day the arena will be improved, but I understand being upset if they mess with my seats. I happen to be an aisle freak, and would not want that taken from me. Others may be more attached to the people around them. Regardless, let's hope this is much ado about nothing.

[X-man]

You guys realize that this is a common occurrence across college basketball, right? When arenas are updated/replaced, the seats have to be re-selected. You may not get the same seat, but I'm sure it will be fairly comparable. Its something that has to be done and this is the most fair way. Get over it. I really cant believe how personal some of guys are taking this.

Are they doing this to you too? Perhaps you would find it more difficult to accept if the seats you had selected and paid thousands of dollars for over the last 15 years were being taken from you. I understand that it's a business. But that doesn't make it right or even in Xavier's best interest if it drives away some of its most loyal fans.

And 82, I looked over my agreement for the kind of language that you are referring to because I expected to see something. It simply isn't there.

[Xman95]

Hang a National Champion banner from the rafters.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I get being upset about Xavier breakng the agreement and it is interesting if they dont leave themselves an out with language in the contract, that would piss me off. What I cant understand, however, if this idea that people wont renew season tickets if they arent with a certain group of people. Is this family? Friends just met through sitting in the area? It seems that if that is the case then those people are more into going to the games for a social night than to watch the game. Go to trivia night if that is the case. Would the not renewing just be a principal of the matter stand because they are upset? Otherwise I dont get if you are a big Xavier fan and season ticket holder not renewing tickets just because you cant sit by a group of people that you used to sit by. I'm sure there are plenty of seats available for a group in the upper level. Move up there if the group is so important.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Hang a National Champion banner from the rafters.

Now that would be a change to the Cintas I think we could all get behind.

[XUMIOH12]

If you are someone who isn't going to renew season tickets because you may have to sit in a different location, than you weren't much of a fan in the first place...

[TUclutch]

Are they doing this to you too? Perhaps you would find it more difficult to accept if the seats you had selected and paid thousands of dollars for over the last 15 years were being taken from you. I understand that it's a business. But that doesn't make it right or even in Xavier's best interest if it drives away some of its most loyal fans.

And 82, I looked over my agreement for the kind of language that you are referring to because I expected to see something. It simply isn't there.

Did you really think you would have those exact seats for eternity? Because thats what it sounds like.

[TUclutch]

If you are someone who isn't going to renew season tickets because you may have to sit in a different location, than you weren't much of a fan in the first place...

This. Everyone who is complaining needs to relax a little bit. i get being a little frustrated. I would be too(and I am) But im also realistic. Cintas Center was not going to stay the same forever. At some point down the line they were going to renovate or build a new arena(longer down the line) either way, it would likely alter seating. Some of you are acting like they shouldnt make any changes because you are entitled to those specific seats for eternity.

[Caveat]

I get being upset about Xavier breakng the agreement and it is interesting if they dont leave themselves an out with language in the contract, that would piss me off. What I cant understand, however, if this idea that people wont renew season tickets if they arent with a certain group of people. Is this family? Friends just met through sitting in the area? It seems that if that is the case then those people are more into going to the games for a social night than to watch the game. Go to trivia night if that is the case. Would the not renewing just be a principal of the matter stand because they are upset? Otherwise I dont get if you are a big Xavier fan and season ticket holder not renewing tickets just because you cant sit by a group of people that you used to sit by. I'm sure there are plenty of seats available for a group in the upper level. Move up there if the group is so important.

People enjoy sports in different ways. Just because you don't value the people you sit around as part of the "game experience" doesn't make it less valid of a concern. And, frankly, for the prices being charged for these seats (and the amount most people have spent over their lifetimes to have these seats), I think you're allowed to be hacked off a bit when the university says "making more money > these particular fans."

[X-man]

Did you really think you would have those exact seats for eternity? Because thats what it sounds like.

Given the wording of my seat agreement, the implication is the seats are mine as long as I keep paying the rent required by the contracts.

[Xer4ever]

This. Everyone who is complaining needs to relax a little bit. i get being a little frustrated. I would be too(and I am) But im also realistic. Cintas Center was not going to stay the same forever. At some point down the line they were going to renovate or build a new arena(longer down the line) either way, it would likely alter seating. Some of you are acting like they shouldnt make any changes because you are entitled to those specific seats for eternity.

Not eternity, just fulfillment of the terms of the contract.

[Xville]

Look I understand being a little upset. However, get a freaking grip. The reality of the situation is if you don't renew, someone else will buy them. Xavier will be just fine without you. Yes that's harsh and yes I understand that you have spent a lot of money over the years. But sometimes xavier does have to do what is for the betterment of the program...I trust they will do what they can for all the season ticket owners but they aren't going to make everyone happy and honestly they are probably ok with that.

[Kahns Krazy]

This is a great post. I really don't see the need anymore to schlep down to a football stadium and sit there through endless TV timeouts for maybe 5 minutes of continuous action- even in great weather. The pre-game tail gate is more fun. Let me sit in my comfy chair with snacks, great TV angles and instant replay.

You have to wonder, as TV's get bigger and HD sharper, how many people will want to go to the games in person- especially if you have nosebleed, upper deck seats where the players look like ants. There's only so much "community goodwill" that goes around.

I've heard this argument over and over. I think the season ticket holder experience is far more fan-interactive at a football game than a basketball game, primarily because of the ratio of action time to total time. There's plenty of time, in a well lit environment, to interact with fans in my section.

The HD experience is nice, but it does not compare to the ability to see the entire field or court at once.

[bleedXblue]

I would be very surprised if anyone had to move more than a row or two in either direction. Most I am sure will keep their existing spots. Heck, some of you may even benefit from a better seat or a new location you prefer better.

[Kahns Krazy]

I have a problem with Xavier unilaterally abrogating <words words words>. If our group breaks up, these people will relinquish their tickets, and that is wrong. It will hurt both them and Xavier. Xavier needs to rethink and modify what they propose to do before such damage is done.

Thoughts?


My guess is that even though you asked for thoughts, you won't like mine. My thought, quite frankly, is that your concern is overblown and you overestimate you and your cohorts value to the organization. You have a reasonable point about the 5 year contract. My guess is that if your real concern is the 2017/2018 season, that you will prevail.

Your reaction to a relatively small number of fans possibly being relocated in two years is over the top. If moving a few rows or a couple section causes Xavier to lose some of its "longest and most loyal fans", then my take is they weren't all that loyal. If someone else is willing to contribute more to take their spot, then they will be pushed back. If not, then they may move up.

The general reaction seems to be that the improvements keep us in the current set of amenities offered by competing arenas. Progress requires a bit of pain sometimes. You can either pay up or move.

[X-man]

My guess is that even though you asked for thoughts, you won't like mine. My thought, quite frankly, is that your concern is overblown and you overestimate you and your cohorts value to the organization. You have a reasonable point about the 5 year contract. My guess is that if your real concern is the 2017/2018 season, that you will prevail.

Your reaction to a relatively small number of fans possibly being relocated in two years is over the top. If moving a few rows or a couple section causes Xavier to lose some of its "longest and most loyal fans", then my take is they weren't all that loyal. If someone else is willing to contribute more to take their spot, then they will be pushed back. If not, then they may move up.

The general reaction seems to be that the improvements keep us in the current set of amenities offered by competing arenas. Progress requires a bit of pain sometimes. You can either pay up or move.

I have no problem with your words, and I hope you are right. The proposed changes for the Cintas sound great. I am just concerned that groups of people, who deliberately chose their location to be near each other (to discuss players and the game our seat premiums more than doubled over the first 15 years in the Cintas, precisely because we don't want to move. If only we still had that option, I would be fine with that.

[coasterville95]

Informal survey from people around us yesterday is that people are more than a little ticked off by this.

You can't mathematically factor in emotions when it comes to something like this.

I'm sure when the architects were presenting the changes to the board, the board was cheering and when the presenter said "regrettably, the wider seats will cause the elimation of some existing seating" you could hear a pin drop as everybody was thinking "not a reseating, anything but that!!!"

We will all get through it, it might be painful. If there are 7,000 season ticket holders and I am in the 55%ile. That means about 3,300 get seated before me. Using the seat counts from the new chart that puts me about halfway through the Yellow seats. So I'll get a seat in the current premium II area, it's just where.

Actually I just checked, any men's season ticket holder has points, so all those with upper deck seats that have no aspirations of moving down aren't a concern. But why do I think those people are already behind me in line.

[bjf123]

I happen to be an aisle freak, and would not want that taken from me. Others may be more attached to the people around them. Regardless, let's hope this is much ado about nothing.
Been on vacation and missed most of this. I've gone through my mail and don't have anything from X.

I'm also an "aisle freak". My X and Bengals seats are both on the aisle. I'm 6'5", so being squeezed between two people with no leg room is a big deal for me.



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[xu82]

Been on vacation and missed most of this. I've gone through my mail and don't have anything from X.

I'm also an "aisle freak". My X and Bengals seats are both on the aisle. I'm 6'5", so being squeezed between two people with no leg room is a big deal for me.



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We went to an Atlanta Hawks game last year and had seats in the middle of the row. I'm "only" 6'1", but it was so tight I literally walked the entire second half rather than cram back into my expensive seat. No leg room and claustrophobia won that night. I won't fault anyone who is upset about losing an aisle seat. I'd move back some rather than give that up, but that's just me.

[Muskie]

I've come off the ledge a little bit after actually being in the arena yesterday. I'm now confident that I will still have a decent seat in the section I want. I'm hopeful that I'll be able to secure aisle seats (which is what I'm looking to retain). It is a hot button topic around the arena though I think. The people around me brought it up to me without me mentioning it.

[coasterville95]

Exactly. I've been to games where after halftime or the 4th inning if I an crammed in the middle of the row to the point where it sucks I move to SRO areas for the rest of the game.

[xu82]

Hopefully if they are increasing the seat sizes they're making it more comfortable in all directions. Philips Arena in Atlanta is a beautiful facility.... to accommodate thousands of middle schoolers. The seats are just too tight. I'd pass on free tickets unless I was on an aisle. (I've heard talk of blowing it up, just like the NFL and MLB venues here.) Like a September NFL game in Florida, I don't care what they want to charge me, it's just a miserable experience I want no part of. Cintas wasn't terrible in this respect, and I hope they're just making it better.

[kmcrawfo]

I have no problem with your words, and I hope you are right. The proposed changes for the Cintas sound great. I am just concerned that groups of people, who deliberately chose their location to be near each other (to discuss players and the game our seat premiums more than doubled over the first 15 years in the Cintas, precisely because we don't want to move. If only we still had that option, I would be fine with that.

The sitting with friends issue can be worked around if you are all truly good friends who truly want to sit with each other. I believe you can pool your points as a group and Xavier allows you to move up in the seat selection process. Only one person will have credit for the point in that case however if/when it ever comes time to change, parking passess, etc. Asking your friends if they want to do this may let you find out how much you all really want to sit by each other..... You should check in and see if they are going to let folks use this option this time around.

[X-man]

The sitting with friends issue can be worked around if you are all truly good friends who truly want to sit with each other. I believe you can pool your points as a group and Xavier allows you to move up in the seat selection process. Only one person will have credit for the point in that case however if/when it ever comes time to change, parking passess, etc. Asking your friends if they want to do this may let you find out how much you all really want to sit by each other..... You should check in and see if they are going to let folks use this option this time around.

When the Cintas opened, the priority for seat selection when a group was involved was determined by the average point score for the group members. The new selection mechanism, as stated in the FAQ part of the announcement, states that the priority for a group will be based solely on the member with the lowest priority. That needs to be changed. It is not fair, and doesn't make any sense to me at least.

[coasterville95]

By the chart the deluxe seats (court side, front line) will be 24", green and orange (with the exception of those at the tops of 107-112) will be 21", everybody else is 18".

Last time I was at Nutter Center i found their seats to be incredibly tight.

[XUMIOH12]

By the chart the deluxe seats (court side, front line) will be 24", green and orange (with the exception of those at the tops of 107-112) will be 21", everybody else is 18".

Last time I was at Nutter Center i found their seats to be incredibly tight.

I'm not really understanding what the seats at the Nutter Center have to do with this. Do you know how wide those seats were, for a comparison?

[coasterville95]

Just an anecdotal comment. Nothing more.

[bigdiggins]

If you can't fit in the seats at Cintas you need to discover a salad and a treadmill.

[TUclutch]

Not eternity, just fulfillment of the terms of the contract.

Yea, renovations or a new arena trump your seat agreement. Betterment of the program and arena comes first.

[Kahns Krazy]

When the Cintas opened, the priority for seat selection when a group was involved was determined by the average point score for the group members. The new selection mechanism, as stated in the FAQ part of the announcement, states that the priority for a group will be based solely on the member with the lowest priority. That needs to be changed. It is not fair, and doesn't make any sense to me at least.

I agree with you here. Average scoring seems fair. I'm not sure why you would need to lower the whole group.

[boozehound]

By the chart the deluxe seats (court side, front line) will be 24", green and orange (with the exception of those at the tops of 107-112) will be 21", everybody else is 18".

Last time I was at Nutter Center i found their seats to be incredibly tight.

Anyone know what the current seats are? I'm fine with the size/spacing of the current seats, however if they are going to make the existing upper deck seats tighter that might become an issue for me, and I am by no means an extremely large person.

[muskienick]

I agree with you here. Average scoring seems fair. I'm not sure why you would need to lower the whole group.

What will they do in my case? I buy all 6 tickets and pay all six seat licenses. That is not to say that I am not somewhat reimbursed for the tickets. But I am the only person of record for those six seats --- the Xavier brass doesn't even know who sit in the other five seats!

[X-man]

Yea, renovations or a new arena trump your seat agreement. Betterment of the program and arena comes first.

I am guessing that you are wrong on this without language in the agreement to that effect. I am about to find out.

[Muskie]

What will they do in my case? I buy all 6 tickets and pay all six seat licenses. That is not to say that I am not somewhat reimbursed for the tickets. But I am the only person of record for those six seats --- the Xavier brass doesn't even know who sit in the other five seats!
In X's eyes. They are all your seats. More Points for you my friend.

[Milhouse]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZDBMfe3iPE

[nuts4xu]

What will they do in my case? I buy all 6 tickets and pay all six seat licenses. That is not to say that I am not somewhat reimbursed for the tickets. But I am the only person of record for those six seats --- the Xavier brass doesn't even know who sit in the other five seats!

To me, this seems like the best way to go for a group of people that chip in for several seats. This way, all the points are funneled into one person's name, increasing the point total for the entire group. Your standing with Xavier will be even better than it would be for 3 couples to split the seats 3 ways.

[coasterville95]

Muskienick - looks like you may have accidently planned well ahead. The Musketeer Points for all 6 seats are in your account. You should be better off than those around you when selection time comes, as your point total will be higher, and as someone else here pointed out, if you are 3 couples billed separately, you go for reseating based on the point total of your LOWEST member. Of course, if you decide to up and quit buying season tickets, or the other people in your block sufficiently annoy you that you tell them to take a hike, they will be screwed as they will have to start back over at 0 points.

Boozehound - I may be wrong but I think hidden somewhere in that whole slick packet it mentioned the current seats are 18", I think those designated as CLUB right now may be 21", they do look wider. Do the plans include updating the general arena seating. In my wholly unqualfied view, the majority of the seats still look to be in pretty good shape. Yes, there are a few scattered here and there that could stand a repair or maybe even a replace, but it looks like normal wear and tear type stuff as I gaze around the arena. Of course, if cupholders were to be added to refreshed seating, I'd be a happy man.

I think somebody mentioned some fo the current seats (the collapsing seats on the risers) are no longer made in the exact same model they are today. Isn't that what the Reds went through when they decided to refresh seating at GABP? Or is it their vendor wanted way too much coin,, either way didn't a local firm do their seat refresh in house? (off topic - I know, and I imagine those seats take a LOT more abuse - way more events per year, exposed to the elements, etc, even if the venue is just a tad newer than Cintas.)

[Lamont Sanford]

Can we all at least agree that the in-game "announcer guy" from KISS 107 blows? It is painful listening to his schtick.

[Denver Muskie]

Couldn't this whole situation be avoided if they just replaced the 18" seats with new 18" seats? Why make them wider and decrease capacity?

[Cheesehead]

Can we all at least agree that the in-game "announcer guy" from KISS 107 blows? It is painful listening to his schtick.

He sucks and no one seems to care when he talks or they can't hear him because there are still issues w/ sound system.

[XU-07]

Free (Or cheaper) beer. It is that easy.:biggrin:

[coasterville95]

Yes that guy from 107 also did Muskie Madness "Money Ball!l" he was so annoying then we were actively ridiculing him.

He just tried so hard to be a personality and not a person.

[bjf123]

Couldn't this whole situation be avoided if they just replaced the 18" seats with new 18" seats? Why make them wider and decrease capacity?

So they can change more. Just got my reseat info. I'm in the upper 800's.


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[coasterville95]

I got my glossy packet bundled in with my Xavier magazine. Same stuff as on the website. My points notice says i am in the high 1300s in rank.

[bigdiggins]

A good improvement would be to start tasering those who can't wait for a stoppage to go up or down the steps, or st least those that can't wait and then dont know where they are going so they stand in front of everyone just looking around. Those that want to stand there and wave to someone during live game action should just be shot.

[94GRAD]

This quarters Xavier Magazine has everyone ranking. Im 243

[LadyMuskie]

A good improvement would be to start tasering those who can't wait for a stoppage to go up or down the steps, or st least those that can't wait and then dont know where they are going so they stand in front of everyone just looking around. Those that want to stand there and wave to someone during live game action should just be shot.

I'll second this idea! When did this become a thing? I'm beginning to think the majority of people attending sporting events these days are there just to socialize and cackle like hens instead of watching the game. It's very annoying.

[RoadWarrior]

Still don't understand why reseating is needed when there is no "waiting list" for premium tickets. Will Christopher even be around XU long enough to see the reseating process come to fruition?

[Juice]

Still don't understand why reseating is needed when there is no "waiting list" for premium tickets. Will Christopher even be around XU long enough to see the reseating process come to fruition?

Because they're taking seats out in the bottom bowl to give more room and put in nice seats so the setup/number of seats will be different.

[TUclutch]

Still don't understand why reseating is needed when there is no "waiting list" for premium tickets. Will Christopher even be around XU long enough to see the reseating process come to fruition?

Why would he not be around?

[bjf123]

Because they're taking seats out in the bottom bowl to give more room and put in nice seats so the setup/number of seats will be different.

At the end of the day, it's all about the money. I'm sure they figure this will somehow end up generating more money the university. I agree, though, that it seems counter intuitive to reduce the number of the more expensive seats and throw everything into a state of chaos until the reseating is complete.


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[xudash]

Still don't understand why reseating is needed when there is no "waiting list" for premium tickets. Will Christopher even be around XU long enough to see the reseating process come to fruition?

What the hell brought you to typing that?

[Masterofreality]

This quarters Xavier Magazine has everyone ranking. Im 243

I guess I stink. I'm 847, but then I don't get points for giving everybody at the school free beer. :lmao:

[94GRAD]

I guess I stink. I'm 847, but then I don't get points for giving everybody at the school free beer. :lmao:

A mans gotta do what a mans gotta do

[bjf123]

Finally read through the Cintas Center seat selection guide. It's nothing more than a money grab. Give us more money or you'll lose your seats, and here's a list of ways you can buy your way up the list. You'll also lose your parking as that's apparently now separated from the level of seat you have. Obviously, we'll need to see how it all plays out in 18 months, but I'm not happy at the moment.


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[kmcrawfo]

Does everyone realize this is basically the same way things were done 15 years ago when we left the gardens. Seat choices were based on cumulative donations amongst other things. It just wasn't as blatantly transparent of a point system as we are now dealing with. I think in the end we'll all be pretty close to where we want to be. If x wanted to be shady they wouldn't disclose this in as much detail as they have. Also of note historically xavier alumni are pretty much on the lowest end of the spectrum when it comes to giving back to their Alma mater, so I can't blame the administration from trying to motivate people to give more. In the end however unless you are really wanting a specific seat or lower Arion you are probably going to be pretty close to where u r now if u just hold your status quo donations

[Masterofreality]

Does everyone realize this is basically the same way things were done 15 years ago when we left the gardens. Seat choices were based on cumulative donations amongst other things. It just wasn't as blatantly transparent of a point system as we are now dealing with. I think in the end we'll all be HH pretty close to where we want to be. If x wanted to be shady they wouldn't disclose this in as much detail as they have. Also of note historically xavier alumni are pretty much on the lowest end of the spectrum when it comes to giving back to their Alma mater, so I can't blame the administration from trying to motivate people to give more. In the end however unless you are really wanting a specific seat or lower Arion you are probably going to be pretty close to where u r now if u just hold your status quo donations

Agree 100% on this. XU alums do stink when it comes to comparisons vs other schools. I really don't know why, but our relatively low endowment is a pretty good measure of how we don't measure up.

[X-band '01]

Are these the same people demanding a Big East product at A-10/Horizon prices?

[xudash]

Agree 100% on this. XU alums do stink when it comes to comparisons vs other schools. I really don't know why, but our relatively low endowment is a pretty good measure of how we don't measure up.

MOR, some of that is more about getting a relatively late start with respect to understanding the importance of establishing a strong endowment, and some of it is about not having the benefit of a truly major giver, similar to how Wake and Richmond benefited.

It's been getting steadily better since Father Hoff arrived. And X certainly has the team in place now that is fully capable of driving strong giving moving forward.

[Muskie1000]

I think some of this has to do with perception. I have season tickets and have had season tickets almost since I graduated from X - about 20 years. I consider my loyalty and my tickets my donation to the university. I give money in all sorts of ways but when I think about where my money can be best spent - is it so that Xavier can have the best of the best and the most updated accommodations etc., or is it to give it to families in need who are worried about where their next meal will come from. I have nothing against people who give to Xavier nor do I think its a bad donation, but when we give our money I always try to give it to the most neediest with meals, clothes, etc.

[coasterville95]

I was just thinking about the move from Cincinnati Gardens. Of course, I don't have the historical perspective as I have only been a season ticket holder for 10 years.

I'm sure the mood was generally better stemming from the euphoria of moving from the run down Gardens to a brand new state of the art facility on campus. And with a whole new seat plan, probably an easier sell. Since Muskie Points did not exist then, I wouldn't know how they set the seat selection order

However, if I recall, didn't the premium seating program start with Cintas. At some point they had to face a season ticket holder and say "Yes! You can still sit down low on the side, there is just this little triffle of a $1,000+ per seat "premium sating fee". That can't have gone over well when first announced, but I suppose in he end everybody self selected seats in their desired price category.

With me giving seat license money, plus season ticket money, plus the AFO raffle tickets, plus the in game concessions, plus all the shirts and flags and other mementos I have purchased throughout the years on top of 4 years tuition, I think I've given enough.

[xu82]

I know a guy who works in the NBA now but used to work for the Bills. MANY people complain they don't want or need a new stadium in WNY. This guy worked on the financial end of marketing and maximizing revenue streams. It's very simple, but also surprisingly complicated in some ways. Much of it made sense at the time, but I couldn't explain it again without a refresher course. The bottom line is Buffalo WILL have a new stadium whether they like it or not. One of MANY reasons is you can't tell a guy who's had the same premium seat for 30 years "I know it was $100 last year, but the exact same seat will be $225 next year". In some ways other people may actually save money, but these are very savvy people in a multi-billion dollar industry. They want to keep people happy, but in the end they want and need as much revenue as possible to remain competitive. In that case they can't afford NOT to spend $800 million or more for new digs. They're not emotional about it (like I might be if it were me in the seat shuffle).

That kinda seemed relevant here.

[muskienick]

I was just thinking about the move from Cincinnati Gardens. Of course, I don't have the historical perspective as I have only been a season ticket holder for 10 years.

I'm sure the mood was generally better stemming from the euphoria of moving from the run down Gardens to a brand new state of the art facility on campus. And with a whole new seat plan, probably an easier sell. Since Muskie Points did not exist then, I wouldn't know how they set the seat selection order

However, if I recall, didn't the premium seating program start with Cintas. At some point they had to face a season ticket holder and say "Yes! You can still sit down low on the side, there is just this little triffle of a $1,000+ per seat "premium sating fee". That can't have gone over well when first announced, but I suppose in he end everybody self selected seats in their desired price category.

With me giving seat license money, plus season ticket money, plus the AFO raffle tickets, plus the in game concessions, plus all the shirts and flags and other mementos I have purchased throughout the years on top of 4 years tuition, I think I've given enough.

Back in the Gardens days, Xavier had non-mandatory giving levels designated by color. If I remember correctly they were (from lowest to highest): Blue, Silver, Gold, and Platinum. I really loved the Gardens atmosphere despite (or was it because of?) the smell of elephant dung, stale beer, and sticky surfaces. That is certainly not to say that I liked it better than our beautiful, clean, and more modern on-campus home. But when you remember the fact that we came to the Cincinnati Gardens from Schmidt Memorial Fieldhouse, one can understand that it was a giant step from "small-time" 2,500-3,000 crowds at Schmidt to the 8,000-10,000 "big-time" crowds at the Gardens. The few really loyal fans who stuck with the Muskies during the horrible days of Campbell, Krajack, and Baker to witness the transition to the excitement generated by Staak, Gillen, and the move to the Gardens truly understand that the Cintas Center is another exceedingly valuable crown jewel in what our Muskie Basketball program has become.

[Masterofreality]

MOR, some of that is more about getting a relatively late start with respect to understanding the importance of establishing a strong endowment, and some of it is about not having the benefit of a truly major giver, similar to how Wake and Richmond benefited.

It's been getting steadily better since Father Hoff arrived. And X certainly has the team in place now that is fully capable of driving strong giving moving forward.

You, too, are correct Dash. The alums as a whole could step up more. I hope that Adobe Founder and XU Grad & Cleveland native Charles Getschke has a nice spot in his heart for his old school.

[X-man]

You, too, are correct Dash. The alums as a whole could step up more. I hope that Adobe Founder and XU Grad & Cleveland native Charles Getschke has a nice spot in his heart for his old school.

He's given a boatload already, and has his name on a part of the new CLC.

[RoadWarrior]

What the hell brought you to typing that?
Dash, I TOTALLY understand the need to get more money to truly compete for a FF or NC, but it seems like the baby is getting thrown out with the bath water. Why disrupt the entire arena for just a few seats? The XU fan-base is aging, will those folks continue to ante-up? Due to the aging population, club seats will always be available. I think X runs a greater risk of losing season ticket holders given that every game is televised.
I hope X doesn't jeopardize the energy of a sold-out arena for a few extra bucks. Philanthropic gifts to the university are much more important than ticket revenue. Ticket revenue is reflective of the product on the court and will undoubtedly ebb & flow. Philanthropic dollars are not tied to Wins/Losses.
My question was meant to be thought provoking...not prophetic.

[xudash]

Dash, I TOTALLY understand the need to get more money to truly compete for a FF or NC, but it seems like the baby is getting thrown out with the bath water. Why disrupt the entire arena for just a few seats? The XU fan-base is aging, will those folks continue to ante-up? Due to the aging population, club seats will always be available. I think X runs a greater risk of losing season ticket holders given that every game is televised.
I hope X doesn't jeopardize the energy of a sold-out arena for a few extra bucks. Philanthropic gifts to the university are much more important than ticket revenue. Ticket revenue is reflective of the product on the court and will undoubtedly ebb & flow. Philanthropic dollars are not tied to Wins/Losses.
My question was meant to be thought provoking...not prophetic.

That's fair. In fact, that's a logical response.

I was actually wondering why you seem to believe that Greg Christopher might leave soon.

[X-man]

I am hoping that Athletics rethinks their seat reselection plan after I pointed out to them that the seat agreements give seat holders exclusive access to their seats through the lifetime of the seat agreement (mine goes through the 2017-2018 season), and that abrogation of these agreements would not hold up in court.

[kmcrawfo]

For what it is worth, as far as I know, greg Christopher is not going anywhere. My wife, kids, and I had dinner with him at cracker barrel a couple nights ago to discuss some of new renovations, etc...

He seems quite happy excited with his experiences at Xavier and has big plans to come. He and the rest of the administration are gpod people. This change is out of necessity and not meant to be a pure money grab as some here keep lauding too. Also keep in mind that philanthropic giving is indeed spurred by the success and image of our basketball program. Men's hoops is the front and center of xavier. Everyone knows that. If x hoops falters donations across the board go down too. We have to keep our program and facilities top notch. They build this on each of our backs and generosity. Chris and father graham truly appreciate ever gift no matter how big or small. We have some big time names and earners who I am somewhat surprised don't give more back. Particularly some of the pro athletes. Just my opinion. Take everything I say with a grain of salt, of course.

[kmcrawfo]

IN regards to rethinking the seat reselection process, I Don't think anything is changing. If push came shove I think x could theoretically pretty easily reconfigure the seating so essentially none of the current seats exist. Then it wouldn't be possible to honor existing contracts. Pretty sure X already vetted the seat reassignment process as well to cover this type of retort. Once again no real inside info per se but it sure seems like a waste of time and resources to go down your eluded path

[GoMuskies]

My wife, kids, and I had dinner with him at cracker barrel

Come on Kevin, you've got to make him do better than that!

[kmcrawfo]

Come on Kevin, you've got to make him do better than that!

It was either Cracker Barrell or Chuck E Cheese.... Not joking.

Got to have a place to take the kids and let them play/look around so you can actually have a conversation for more than 5 minutes.

My wife and I decided the shop at cracker barrel won out.... We actually really like the cajun catfish at cracker barrel as well.

[xudash]

For what it is worth, as far as I know, greg Christopher is not going anywhere. My wife, kids, and I had dinner with him at cracker barrel a couple nights ago to discuss some of new renovations, etc...

He seems quite happy excited with his experiences at Xavier and has big plans to come. He and the rest of the administration are gpod people. This change is out of necessity and not meant to be a pure money grab as some here keep lauding too. Also keep in mind that philanthropic giving is indeed spurred by the success and image of our basketball program. Men's hoops is the front and center of xavier. Everyone knows that. If x hoops falters donations across the board go down too. We have to keep our program and facilities top notch. They build this on each of our backs and generosity. Chris and father graham truly appreciate ever gift no matter how big or small. We have some big time names and earners who I am somewhat surprised don't give more back. Particularly some of the pro athletes. Just my opinion. Take everything I say with a grain of salt, of course.

+1

I'm glad you clarified the need to keep the children entertained, otherwise I was with GOMUSKIES on this one.

[X-man]

IN regards to rethinking the seat reselection process, I Don't think anything is changing. If push came shove I think x could theoretically pretty easily reconfigure the seating so essentially none of the current seats exist. Then it wouldn't be possible to honor existing contracts. Pretty sure X already vetted the seat reassignment process as well to cover this type of retort. Once again no real inside info per se but it sure seems like a waste of time and resources to go down your eluded path

I made it clear in my communication with Athletics that I was not going down that path. But I did want them to understand that their seat agreements ares for individual seats rather than zones, which is what they claimed was all the seat agreement guaranteed seat holders.

[xeus]

I made it clear in my communication with Athletics that I was not going down that path. But I did want them to understand that their seat agreements ares for individual seats rather than zones, which is what they claimed was all the seat agreement guaranteed seat holders.

I don't have a copy of my seat license agreement with me, but I'm pretty sure there is language that reserves Xavier the right to reassign seats.