Ways to improve Cintas Center

[Muskie]

IN regards to rethinking the seat reselection process, I Don't think anything is changing. If push came shove I think x could theoretically pretty easily reconfigure the seating so essentially none of the current seats exist. Then it wouldn't be possible to honor existing contracts. Pretty sure X already vetted the seat reassignment process as well to cover this type of retort. Once again no real inside info per se but it sure seems like a waste of time and resources to go down your eluded path

Now that we've received more information and I've had a little time to reflect, I've come around a bit. While the process will be a pain. I'm only mildly worried about not being able to retain my seats somewhere in my preferred area. I'm only hesitant about aisle seats. I think X just saw the need to replace the retractable seats as a good opportunity to add some bigger seats near the floor. I can't blame them for that.

[X-man]

I don't have a copy of my seat license agreement with me, but I'm pretty sure there is language that reserves Xavier the right to reassign seats.

I do have mine, and I can assure you that there is no such language. I expected to see something, but there is nothing. They do have some potential wiggle on the renewal rights even though the paragraph on those rights states that you have first refusal for renewing your seats subject to renewal rates (and conditions...the wiggle, as I see it). But the "contract" itself is very clear in stating that you have exclusive access to your seats through the LIFE of the agreement (2013-2018 in my case).

[coasterville95]

I've mostly come around - it's just fear of the unknown. Upsetting the apple cart as it were.

I think there is a clause somewhere in the agreement, or on the season ticket renewal form that states that seats can be changed in some events, I think the specific case mentioned is to eliminate stray single seats, but I do recall reading something like that as well.

[X-man]

I've mostly come around - it's just fear of the unknown. Upsetting the apple cart as it were.

I think there is a clause somewhere in the agreement, or on the season ticket renewal form that states that seats can be changed in some events, I think the specific case mentioned is to eliminate stray single seats, but I do recall reading something like that as well.

Nothing on that in my agreement.

[xeus]

I do have mine, and I can assure you that there is no such language. I expected to see something, but there is nothing. They do have some potential wiggle on the renewal rights even though the paragraph on those rights states that you have first refusal for renewing your seats subject to renewal rates (and conditions...the wiggle, as I see it). But the "contract" itself is very clear in stating that you have exclusive access to your seats through the LIFE of the agreement (2013-2018 in my case).


Good luck with your lawsuit.

[coasterville95]

X-Man: I also think the University has realized this danger in multi-year agreements. I noticed in my letter it said that going forward they would be moving away from long term agreements and going to year-to-year renewals of the seat licence portion as well.

As I recall they came to us (the Prem II seatholders) and offered us a 5 year lock on rates, if we signed a 5 year term (as opposed to the escalator clauses they used to have where the donation went up every year). With the worst kept secret of the Big East move on my mind, I was quick to renew before they could say "New Conference, New Rates"

While I like the flexibility of not having a 5 year commitment, the "renew at the then established rate" offers little assurance of not getting hit with escalating donations at whatever pace they set.

[Muskie]

X-Man: I also think the University has realized this danger in multi-year agreements. I noticed in my letter it said that going forward they would be moving away from long term agreements and going to year-to-year renewals of the seat licence portion as well.

As I recall they came to us (the Prem II seatholders) and offered us a 5 year lock on rates, if we signed a 5 year term (as opposed to the escalator clauses they used to have where the donation went up every year). With the worst kept secret of the Big East move on my mind, I was quick to renew before they could say "New Conference, New Rates"

While I like the flexibility of not having a 5 year commitment, the "renew at the then established rate" offers little assurance of not getting hit with escalating donations at whatever pace they set.

I did the same thing. Locked into the old rates.

[X-man]

Good luck with your lawsuit.

As I said, I am not suing.

[coasterville95]

X-Man:

This just came to me. I don't recall where the actual legal contract specifies exactly which seats are ours.

Again, I don't have it in front of me, but I think it says somethng like in consideration for my donation I will be granted the exclusive use of ____ Premium II seats. Therein I think is the wiggle room. The contract itself does not, IIRC, enumerate excatly which Premium II seats are ours, just that we have the use of ____ of them. (Contingent on keeping up with our seat donations, and purchasing a season ticket for each seat held, as well as tickets to any post season games played at Cintas Center).

Also, note in the letter from athletics, the clause that stated that we would be guaranteed at least one seating location within the "current Premium II footprint" even if we would not otherwise have enough Musketeer Points. Interesting that they very specifically said "current Premium II footrpint", because as we know the new equivilant priced seating is a different footprint. Sounds like their case would be the seat agreement is for a seat category, not specific seats.

[Milhouse]

I'm glad they're removing 5 year locks.

Right now I'd easily spring for seat license/lower bowl. But we're both mid 20s, dual income no kids. I don't want to be locked into something 5 years down the line as a LOT can (and likely will) change. Year by Year makes those charges much easier to swallow.

[bleedXblue]

This just seems to be a lot of hassle for a lot of long time customers with the addition of a few hundred seats and some minimal upgrades to some floor level seating. Why not handle this the other way and have those that want to move into any of the new areas go on a waiting list and then determine who has the most eligibility or status?

[xeus]

As I said, I am not suing.

Good call. You would lose.

[X-man]

Good call. You would lose.

Whatever.

[drudy23]

I don't know that they would "lose"...my guess is that it would never get to a point where a decision would determine a winner or loser.

I do have a feeling that if a large majority of season tickets holders entered into the suit, then it could be problematic for the university to do it this way. I'm guessing there's alot of wiggle room either way in the law (would be strong support saying they could do it, and would be strong support saying they couldnt).

But I doubt the university would want to upset the masses (and vice versa with fans having to feel like they have to resort to this for a team they love) with playing this out.

It's very likely the last thing in the world they want out of this.

[xu82]

I knew a lady who sued her employer (a bank). She seemed surprised when it didn't end well for her.

[TUclutch]

I do have mine, and I can assure you that there is no such language. I expected to see something, but there is nothing. They do have some potential wiggle on the renewal rights even though the paragraph on those rights states that you have first refusal for renewing your seats subject to renewal rates (and conditions...the wiggle, as I see it). But the "contract" itself is very clear in stating that you have exclusive access to your seats through the LIFE of the agreement (2013-2018 in my case).

The way you're making a big deal about this makes it sound like even if they were building a new arena you would be complaining that "your seats" are changing. Renovations/new arena would trump everything else in my mind. It's really not the end of the world

[xeus]

The way you're making a big deal about this makes it sound like even if they were building a new arena you would be complaining that "your seats" are changing. Renovations/new arena would trump everything else in my mind. It's really not the end of the world

Where are your seats, and do you have to move? I'm guessing not, or your seats aren't great so you don't care, or maybe you don't even have season tickets - which would make your comments in this thread that much more ridiculous. You and the rest of the "I wonder if the people complaining are really true fans" crowd need to quit worrying so much about the legitimate concerns some people (including me) have about the seat reassignment process.

I don't blame people with seats they really really like for being upset about having to move. The ten or so nights a year I get to go to the Cintas to watch Xavier basketball are among my most favorite, and I love my seats. And I'm not happy about having them "reassigned".

[XU 87]

I do have a feeling that if a large majority of season tickets holders entered into the suit, then it could be problematic for the university to do it this way.


Unless I could recover a good fee, there is no way I would sue my beloved alma mater.

[GoMuskies]

Unless I could recover a good fee, there is no way I would sue my beloved alma mater.

Lawyers are the worst. :)

[TUclutch]

Where are your seats, and do you have to move? I'm guessing not, or your seats aren't great so you don't care, or maybe you don't even have season tickets - which would make your comments in this thread that much more ridiculous. You and the rest of the "I wonder if the people complaining are really true fans" crowd need to quit worrying so much about the legitimate concerns some people (including me) have about the seat reassignment process.

I don't blame people with seats they really really like for being upset about having to move. The ten or so nights a year I get to go to the Cintas to watch Xavier basketball are among my most favorite, and I love my seats. And I'm not happy about having them "reassigned".

We have seats in 111 in the first 8 rows. So yea, our seats could and likely will be impacted due to the change in number of seats in that area. I also understand that renovations are completely necessary. Thats life. Its as if some in here never imagined that just maybe Cintas would be updated, or in the future be replace by a new arena.

[xeus]

I also understand that renovations are completely necessary. Thats life.

That's where I disagree with you.

[Muskie]

That's where I disagree with you.

They do need to replace the temporary rows. They are in need of repair. We could argue all day on whether bigger seats are necessary (which seems to be the main cause of redistribution).

[xeus]

We could argue all day on whether bigger seats are necessary.

Nah. I'm good. We all need to concentrate on the game tonight. Will you be in the house (squeezed into your tiny little seat)?

[Muskie]

Nah. I'm good. We all need to concentrate on the game tonight. Will you be in the house (squeezed into your tiny little seat)?
If I can get out of this mediation. I just sent over an offer.. fingers crossed.