XAVIER vs MARQUETTE

[MADXSTER]

1597 vs 1598

Xavier University Musketeers (11-6) (2-3)
W Northern Arizona 93-60 Preseason pick was 3rd in Big Sky
W Long Beach State 97-74 Preseason pick was 3rd in Big West
W Stephen F Austin 81-63 Preseason pick was 1st in Southland
W Murray State 89-62 Preseason pick was 1st in OVC
W San Diego Toreros 82-71 Preseason pick was 5th in WCC
L UTEP Miners 77-73 Preseason pick was 2nd in CUSA
L Long Beach State 73-70 Preseason pick was 3rd in Big West
W Alabama 97-84 Preseason pick was 10th in the SEC
W IUPUI Jaquars 66-43
W Missouri Tigers 74-58 Preseason pick was 7th in the SEC
L Auburn Tigers 89-88 2OT
W Florida Gulf Coast 71-57 Preseason pick was 1st
W Georgetown Hoyas 70-53
L DePaul Blue Demons 71-68
W Seton Hall Pirates 69-58
L Butler Bulldogs 88-76
L Villanova Wildcats 88-75

vs Marquette Golden Eagles (10-6) (2-2)
W Tennessee Martin H 79-63
L Ohio St. A 74-63
L Nebraska Omaha H 89-97
W NJIT H 62-57
W Georgia Tech N 70-72
L Michigan St. N 68-79
W Tennessee N 67-59
L Wisconsin H 38-49
W Arizona St. H 78-71
W Alabama A&M H 83-49
W North Dakota H 67-54
W Morgan St. H 81-53
L DePaul A 61-58
W Providence H 75-66
L Georgetown A 65-59
W Creighton H 53-52

Saturday Jan. 17, 2014 12:00 p.m. ET at Cintas
Television: Fox Sports 1
Radio: 700 WLW

[LadyMuskie]

This might be the last game of the season I see in person because of other commitments (i.e., being a parent, having a serious case of not being able to say no to volunteerism, etc. - sigh). So, with that in mind, I'm willing to guarantee that we will win (probably/hopefully).

[xu82]

I'm willing to guarantee that we will win (probably/hopefully).

With all due respect, you kinda suck at the whole "guarantee" thing.

[paulxu]

That's amazing that the Villanova and Butler scores were almost identical. I wouldn't have thought that.

[LadyMuskie]

With all due respect, you kinda suck at the whole "guarantee" thing.

I've seen us play. That's the best guarantee I can offer.

[xu82]

I've seen us play. That's the best guarantee I can offer.

Oh, I've been watching too, and I get it!

[blobfan]

We need to win one dangit!!!!!

[vee4xu]

This might be the last game of the season I see in person because of other commitments (i.e., being a parent, having a serious case of not being able to say no to volunteerism, etc. - sigh). So, with that in mind, I'm willing to guarantee that we will win (probably/hopefully).

Question is how strong all those commitments would be if the halftime show was two guys getting it on? :whistle:

[LadyMuskie]

Question is how strong all those commitments would be if the halftime show was two guys getting it on? :whistle:

Depends on the guys! :jig:

[xu82]

Question is how strong all those commitments would be if the halftime show was two guys getting it on? :whistle:



Well, there would definitely be something wrong with that!

[xu82]

Are the frisbee dogs not good enough?

[LadyMuskie]

Again. Depends on the guys.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I'll be at my first home game this year, we better win!

[xu82]

I'll be at my first home game this year, we better win!

You could take the "hopeful guarantee" route. :smile: I hope you're not there as part of the half time show (unless you have frisbee dogs...).

[D-West & PO-Z]

You could take the "hopeful guarantee" route. :smile: I hope you're not there as part of the half time show (unless you have frisbee dogs...).

I am not, no one wants to see that. :yuk:

Halftime shows are dead to me now that Red Panda unicycle bowl lady retired. By far the best halftime show.

[xu82]

I am not, no one wants to see that. :yuk:

Apparently someone might, but this is not the No Quality Inn.

(What a crazy double standard we live with.)

[BMoreX]

Sold out

[xufan2434]

Sell out again for a BE game is nice...

I'm in Chicago, are the students back?

[BMoreX]

Sell out again for a BE game is nice...

I'm in Chicago, are the students back?

Yes

[xeus]

Anyone have a problem with Frisbee dogs?? Those dogs train hard, work hard, and give 110% effort every time they hit the hardwood! I catch anyone disrespecting that level of effort, there's going to be a problem!

[LadyMuskie]

Anyone have a problem with Frisbee dogs?? Those dogs train hard, work hard, and give 110% effort every time they hit the hardwood! I catch anyone disrespecting that level of effort, there's going to be a problem!

I love the frisbee dogs, but the old guy who climbs the stack of chairs scares the bejesus out of me. I'm terrified he's either going to fall and die, or have a heart attack then fall and die. I mean, kudos to him for being amazing, but it's still terrifying and I hate watching it.

[Cheesehead]

I will be wearing my Marquette T-shirt underneath my Xavier pullover. Sorry folks.


Kidding....I'm a kidder. All XU stuff for me for this game. My Marquette graduate degree just collects dust so screw them! Also, Marquette offered half as money to my son than Xavier did. So, they are dead to me. Dead! Dead I say!

[chico]

Anyone have a problem with Frisbee dogs?? Those dogs train hard, work hard, and give 110% effort every time they hit the hardwood! I catch anyone disrespecting that level of effort, there's going to be a problem!

Best halftime show this side of The Amazing Christopher. Please tell me they're not at the Marquette game because I can't make this one.

[xeus]

Best halftime show this side of The Amazing Christopher. Please tell me they're not at the Marquette game because I can't make this one.

They are. Not to mention the D'Artagnan/Blue Blob salt n pepper shakers to the first 3,000 fans.

[MADXSTER]

I will be on retreat this weekend praying for this message board not to melt down. That means I will be praying for a victory!

[Lamont Sanford]

Anyone have a problem with Frisbee dogs?? Those dogs train hard, work hard, and give 110% effort every time they hit the hardwood! I catch anyone disrespecting that level of effort, there's going to be a problem!

I see one mutt drop a frisbee and I will boo him/her mercilessly! I might even start a Michael Vick chant at that point!

The Amazing Christopher would never drop anything from his mouth.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Early line has X favored by 9.5 tomorrow. I'm inclined to give the points after two road losses.

[bobbiemcgee]

Anyone have a problem with Frisbee dogs?? Those dogs train hard, work hard, and give 110% effort every time they hit the hardwood! !

Road and Home?
Amazing.

[paulxu]

Is this a kegs 'n eggs game?

[American X]

Is this a kegs 'n eggs game?

WLW is reporting that Snipe is already drunk.

[gladdenguy]

I'll be at my first home game this year, we better win!

You going to Danas before?

[bjf123]

Today's starting lineup is Jalen, Trevon, Dee, Matt, and J.P.


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[BMoreX]

I like it.

[brownlavender]

Anybody know how I can watch from my phone? I cant use foxsportsgo because I have direct tv. Im stuck at a kids bday party with no tv please help

[sgarcia]

Not a good start so far. Need to keep getting the ball to the foul line against the zone and attack from there.

[BMoreX]

Awful start.

[BMoreX]

Beautiful movement to get Abell that 3.

[XMuskieFTW]

Myles sagging too much again to leave an open 3

[sgarcia]

The "not starting" Remy Abell experiment needs to end after the start we've had the last 2 games.

[DC Muskie]

I like everyone defense in this league, but ours.

[sgarcia]

Didn't Mack say Austin has done enough to be the #2 point guard but Randolph came in for Dee? Sounds like more mixed messages.

[IM4X]

I like everyone defense in this league, but ours.

Exactly.

[mohr5150]

So, we have made horrible passes so far this game. I guess Mack is a horrible pass coach. We might as well blame him for that, too.

[DC Muskie]

Exactly.

I really like the trapping defense and active hands.

We have 6 turnovers in the first 9 minutes.

[BMoreX]

Sloppy.

[Art Vandelay]

Didn't Mack say Austin has done enough to be the #2 point guard but Randolph came in for Dee? Sounds like more mixed messages.

I think "grasping at straws" would be the correct term here.

[DC Muskie]

So, we have made horrible passes so far this game. I guess Mack is a horrible pass coach. We might as well blame him for that, too.

Can we blame him for everyone coming out flat?

[BMoreX]

This is excruciating to watch.

[DC Muskie]

Remember when Mack was really fired up for the GTown game?

I'm wondering why we don't have it here.

[xavierj]

It's pretty simple. Xavier lacks athletes who can play the type of defense they want to play and a point guard who can handle the ball and be a threat to make a shot.

[mistabeecee41]

These guys are miserable out there.

[LA Muskie]

Good God Macura. Glad you're practicing hard though.

[sgarcia]

Good God Macura. Glad you're practicing hard though.

Practice makes perfect right? :laugh:

[XMuskieFTW]

Marquette shooting 57%. Yet we continue to not start one of our best defenders in Remy. Still don't get it

[LA Muskie]

Myles is going to get exhausted just running back and forth to and from the bench.

[LA Muskie]

Marquette shooting 57%. Yet we continue to not start one of our best defenders in Remy. Still don't get it

He doesn't play good team D. He only cares about locking up his defensive assignment. He's a selfish defender. Or so I hear.

[DC Muskie]

10 turnovers in 13 minutes.

At home.

To a team that has three scholarship players.

No energy.

[IM4X]

It's pretty simple. Xavier lacks athletes who can play the type of defense they want to play and a point guard who can handle the ball and be a threat to make a shot.

Yes... The wrong defense for this team... It's not that the players can't play solid d, it's just that they just always struggle with the one being used - it's just not a good fit for them.

[Xavgrad08]

Thankfully we have been getting offensive rebounds.

[BMoreX]

This offense looks really bad when they aren't making 3's.

[LA Muskie]

Yes... The wrong defense for this team... It's not that the players can't play solid d, it's just that they just always struggle with the one being used - it's just not a good fit for them.

There is no good defensive scheme for a team of bad defenders.

But with 10 turnovers and bad shooting our offense is at least as concerning as our defense so far today.

[XMuskieFTW]

Timeout? defensive/offensive adjustment? No?

[DC Muskie]

Another turnover.

They are playing great defense.

[bjf123]

Everyone looks dazed and confused.


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[DC Muskie]

Another turnover.

[LA Muskie]

Timeout? defensive/offensive adjustment? No?

What's your adjustment for STOP TURNING THE BALL OVER???

[mistabeecee41]

Who finishes 10th? US or depaul?

[XMuskieFTW]

What's your adjustment for STOP TURNING THE BALL OVER???

Maybe not keep throwing the ball to the corner where we seem to cough it up the majority of the time.

[coasterville95]

Group therapy at D'Artagnan's Deck at halftime?

[DC Muskie]

They already have 9 steals. They average 8.

They have no road wins. Winning on the road is tough.

[sgarcia]

What's your adjustment for STOP TURNING THE BALL OVER???

Put a guy at the Big East logo, lob the ball to them, turn and attack the basket.

[Xavgrad08]

Marquette has been playing solid D, but our offense looks horrendous. Guys are just standing around.

[DC Muskie]

Maybe not keep throwing the ball to the corner where we seem to cough it up the majority of the time.

Like getting the ball into the middle and driving to the basket.

[xu82]

Lost track of time and just turned it on. Wish I hadn't...

[XUOHTX]

Didn't I already watch this game?

[IM4X]

There is no good defensive scheme for a team of bad defenders.

But with 10 turnovers and bad shooting our offense is at least as concerning as our defense so far today.

The team looks just awful but I refuse to blame it all on them. There seems to be no real plan on offense. No one is driving to the bucket and on defense everyone looks like they are lost.

[xu82]

We are perfect since I showed up.
Just sayin'.

[LA Muskie]

About the only good thing we're doing is crashing the offensive boards.

[LA Muskie]

The team looks just awful but I refuse to blame it all on them. There seems to be no real plan on offense. No one is driving to the bucket and on defense everyone looks like they are lost.

We've been exceptionally efficient all year. Seems to me the odds are much more on bad execution today than bad offensive plan.

[LA Muskie]

We are perfect since I showed up.
Just sayin'.

Then stick around!

[DC Muskie]

We've been exceptionally efficient all year. Seems to me the odds are much more on bad execution today than bad offensive plan.

They play better defense than we do.

[mistabeecee41]

Maybe Christopher has put so much emphasis on defense that he just stop practicing offense.

[LA Muskie]

They play better defense than we do.

Yes. Yes they do.

[xu82]

Then stick around!

We had 22 points in one full half of basketball....I'm not sure if I can stomach this!

[bjf123]

Absolutely pathetic half of basketball.


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[LA Muskie]

Maybe Christopher has put so much emphasis on defense that he just stop practicing offense.

Maybe the guys all went to kegs n eggs this morning??? BJ, no more serving them before games...

[sgarcia]

For some reason I still feel very confident that we're going to win this game. Marquette only scored 31 so if we limit the turnovers I think we dominate them in the 2nd half especially with 2nd chance points.

[Xavgrad08]

We are down 9 at Half. We could be down a lot more. Marquette only has 8 scholarship players so hopefully they fade in the second half. We have to stop turning the ball over. Lets get the W and put this ugly game behind us.

[IM4X]

Exactly why is Myles playing so much. He has missed just about everything including his free throws and he has allowed a number if buckets and has had a bad turnover. Can some one explain where he is a net positive... He's been shooting way unused 30% from behind the arch for the past 4 games.

[LA Muskie]

We had 22 points in one full half of basketball....I'm not sure if I can stomach this!

Just imagine if you saw what you missed... Word of advice: don't go back and watch it on your DVR.

[SM#24]

Absolutely pathetic half of basketball.


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It was a steaming pile of shit

[LA Muskie]

Exactly why is Myles playing so much. He has missed just about everything including his free throws and he has allowed a number if buckets and has had a bad turnover. Can some one explain where he is a net positive... He's been shooting way unused 30% from behind the arch for the past 4 games.

Remove the word "Myles" and you pretty much described JP and Trevon as well. Someone needs to play.

[DC Muskie]

For some reason I still feel very confident that we're going to win this game. Marquette only scored 31 so if we limit the turnovers I think we dominate them in the 2nd half especially with 2nd chance points.


We are down 9 at Half. We could be down a lot more. Marquette only has 8 scholarship players so hopefully they fade in the second half. We have to stop turning the ball over. Lets get the W and put this ugly game behind us.

Yes to both. We need more effort. But we should win.

[bjf123]

We're losing to a team with only 8 scholarship players. That's embarrassing.


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[LA Muskie]

For some reason I still feel very confident that we're going to win this game. Marquette only scored 31 so if we limit the turnovers I think we dominate them in the 2nd half especially with 2nd chance points.

I actually agree. But even if we win, this half is highly concerning.

[xudash]

Halftime analysis:

Marquette - aggressive.

Xavier - total lack of passion.

Xavier is tentative and is being made to play on its heels. That's on the players IMHO, because they don't have enough gumption to fight back. They lost their confidence and now can't even make a 3 at home.

How did these guys come out of that locker room so flatly!

[sgarcia]

I actually agree. But even if we win, this half is highly concerning.

My hope is that this is the low point for the season. 2 awful road games and a terrible first half. I think we come out with a sense of urgency and play a great 2nd half.

[X-Fan]

Wow, that was rough. I have not watched MU at all this year, are they known for pressing? Seems like press really surprised the team and threw them off.

I'll say this, I have never been a Dee basher, but he's having a horrible game. He's a Senior and should be leading accordingly.

Right now MU just wants it more. Guys need to Sack Up and get back into this game.

[IM4X]

Remove the word "Myles" and you pretty much described JP and Trevon as well. Someone needs to play.

I can certainly add those two, as well, but I can NOT "remove" Myles from that statement.

[LA Muskie]

Xavier is tentative and is being made to play on its heels. That's on the players IMHO, because they don't have enough gumption to fight back. They lost their confidence and now can't even make a 3 at home.

How did these guys come out of that locker room so flatly!
This is what happens when you upset the apple cart to the extent Mack has. Between the upheaval with the lineup and the quick hook he's using, the guys are walking on eggshells. Which is never good.

[American X]

Is every Xavier player color blind? Maybe stop giving the ball to the guys in the dark jerseys.

Put the allegedly great passer Stainbrook at the free throw line to bust their zone.

It's only January, but Macura plowing into the defender who had grown roots he had been planted there so long is the funniest thing I will see all year.

[LA Muskie]

Wow, that was rough. I have not watched MU at all this year, are they known for pressing? Seems like press really surprised the team and threw them off.

I'll say this, I have never been a Dee basher, but he's having a horrible game. He's a Senior and should be leading accordingly.

Right now MU just wants it more. Guys need to Sack Up and get back into this game.

Let's be clear: pretty much everyone is having a horrible game. Yes, that includes Dee.

[LA Muskie]

Is every Xavier player color blind? Maybe stop giving the ball to the guys in the dark jerseys.

Put the allegedly great passer Stainbrook at the free throw line to bust their zone.

It's only January, but Macura plowing into the defender who had grown roots he had been planted there so long is the funniest thing I will see all year.

That would work so long as Stain stops passing to Marquette to break the zone. Oh...we also need to hit a few perimeter shots too.

[LA Muskie]

I can certainly add those two, as well, but I can NOT "remove" Myles from that statement.

I'm not asking you to. Although the 3 in transition wasn't Myles fault. He also had to try to stop the ball.

[BMoreX]

Abell starting.

[sgarcia]

I think we need our tallest lineup out there to beat this zone. Dee can't see over the top of it.

[xu82]

Maybe the plan was to have a more "balanced" game to take the focus off the defense?

[LA Muskie]

Going tall usually isn't the solution to a zone.

[XMuskieFTW]

Dee is horrific today

[American X]

This game is at the Cintas Center, so Xavier is still going to win somehow.

[LA Muskie]

Dee is horrific today

And on cue...Dee for 3.

[LA Muskie]

Here we come.

[DC Muskie]

Let's go. Energy!

[BMoreX]

Thank god.

[XMuskieFTW]

Haha I should complain about dee more often

[IM4X]

Remy with confidence is a good thing... Got to keep him in.

[sgarcia]

Going tall usually isn't the solution to a zone.

LA, my thought is that having a taller guy out at the point might help move the ball a little quicker against the zone.

[BMoreX]

Tom Eiser ‏@EiserXUSports 2m2 minutes ago Cincinnati, OH

Attendance 10,372 for .@XavierMBB vs. @MarquetteMBB game, 2nd highest total in @CintasCenter history to 2014 Creighton game. #LetsGoX

[xu82]

Attack the middle!

[BMoreX]

Make all 3, Myles.

[IM4X]

Not a good look by Dee from 3... He was moving in the air from west to east as he released it.

[BMoreX]

Fantastic designed play out of the timeout there.

[XMuskieFTW]

chris Mack has the best inbound plays from under the basket out of any coach I've ever watched.

[BMoreX]

Dee has like 3 steals this half.

[IM4X]

So proud of the hustle of Dee.

[BMoreX]

Attacking the zone now. Take the lead!

[BMoreX]

Remy fucking Abell!

[XMuskieFTW]

Now this is the team I've been missing. We look great this half.

[mistabeecee41]

There we go. Crazy that playing your best players leads to the best results.

[BMoreX]

Heat check

[LA Muskie]

I liked that shot of Mack the first time and liked it just as much this time. It says it all: "See, I told you guys. Just calm down and play inside out. We've got this!"

[BMoreX]

MARQ with 14 points in 15 minutes in the 2nd half.

[IM4X]

Dee and Remy showing great hustle and toughness. Two guys bringing the tenacity and leadership we so desperately need.

[American X]

Put the allegedly great passer Stainbrook at the free throw line to bust their zone.


That would work so long as Stain stops passing to Marquette to break the zone. Oh...we also need to hit a few perimeter shots too.

Well, they listened and it turned into a clinic on beating a zone. Nice work.

[xu82]

Damn!

[LA Muskie]

They sure as hell have!

[smileyy]

Q for those who watch the games more closely than I:

Who plays PG when Dee isn't in the game?

[BMoreX]

Dammit Carlino.

[xu82]

I remember him missing once.

[LA Muskie]

Q for those who watch the games more closely than I:

Who plays PG when Dee isn't in the game?

Today Myles or Brandon. But he hasn't been off the floor very much.

[BMoreX]

I hate this FS1 commercial that's "Like a golden eagle, ___ can see his prey from a mile away."

If you're talking about a Marquette player, awesome, but you're highlighting a Nova-Gtown game.

Just grinds my gears.

[smileyy]

Today Myles or Brandon. But he hasn't been off the floor very much.

Unfortunately, that's been showing in his line score :(

[DC Muskie]

I hate this FS1 commercial that's "Like a golden eagle, ___ can see his prey from a mile away."

If you're talking about a Marquette player, awesome, but you're highlighting a Nova-Gtown game.

Just grinds my gears.

Yeah I'm always thinking they are promoting a Marquette game.

[BMoreX]

Play smart.

[mistabeecee41]

Wonderful play by our upper class men the last few minutes

[BMoreX]

fuck

[LA Muskie]

Unfortunately, that's been showing in his line score :(

You do realize the only reason we're in this game right now is Dee's defense in the 2nd half, right?

[XMuskieFTW]

Myles is unconscious. So clutch

[BMoreX]

Myles Davis, so hot right now.

[smileyy]

You do realize the only reason we're in this game right now is Dee's defense in the 2nd half, right?

No, I don't. I couldn't get a good stream to watch the game. Thanks for filling me in :)

(If this sounds sarcastic, it totally isn't)

Public reps 'cos I can't give real ones.

[xu82]

Mr. 54% hits them both...

[smileyy]

Going from 1-5 on 3s to 3-7 makes a guys day so much better.

[BMoreX]

Don't need a three, just get a good look here.

[LA Muskie]

No worries Smiley. Thanks for the clarification. His shooting is a bit off (although he did have a clutch 3). But he has about 3 or 4 steals in the 2nd half and is playing great defense overall.

[xavierj]

Run Myles off a screen as a decoy and dump insise.

[BMoreX]

Don't need a three, just get a good look here.

that wasn't it.

[LA Muskie]

But ugh. That was a bad pass.

[xavierj]

Wow lucky

[XMuskieFTW]

I think my heart just stopped

[BMoreX]

I'm gonna need a heart transplant.

[xu82]

Any other stomachs knotted up right now?
Hit both!!

[LA Muskie]

C'mon Trevon!!!

[IM4X]

Please... No fouling Carlino if he launches from behind the arc.

[BMoreX]

Just play defense.

[xu82]

Clutch!

[LA Muskie]

Foul with 15+ seconds left to avoid a 3? That seems a bit early...

[LA Muskie]

I'm glad Mack didn't take the announcer's advice...

[BMoreX]

Just play defense.

Well done,.

[xu82]

OK, that was my heart that time...

[IM4X]

We so needed this... No question Remy back as a starter!

[LA Muskie]

Talk about a tale of two halves.

[XMuskieFTW]

Excellent 2nd half and solid come from behind win. Need to play 40 minutes though

[xu82]

Ahhh, piece of cake... had it in the bag the whole time...

[DC Muskie]

Way to bounce back in that second half.

Just keep working to get better.

[xu82]

Excellent 2nd half and solid come from behind win. Need to play 40 minutes though

Sorry I was late, I'll try to do better next time.

If I were at Dana's I'd buy you all a beer.

[LA Muskie]

So does this mean that Mack made 2nd half adjustments? Did he out-coach Wojakowski?

[LA Muskie]

Sorry I was late, I'll try to do better next time.

Yes please don't put us through that anymore.

[Jesuit4Life]

Never a doubt.

[LA Muskie]

Did Macura play in the 2nd half?

[BMoreX]

- Dee Davis was absolutely phenomenal in the second half. His 3 steals in the second half were crucial to the win.
- Myles and Remy came to play in the second half. Their made threes were huge.
- They really moved the ball to break the zone in the second half to get those threes open. 2nd half adjustments? Thought Mack couldn't do that!?


That's now two second halves where I've seen the team improve, especially defensively. I'm not ready to praise the team yet but at least they're showing signs of improvement. They just need to come to play for a full 40 minutes.

[XMuskieFTW]

Did Macura play in the 2nd half?

I don't believe he did. And it was definitely the right move imo. He looked lost against the zone. Just not his game to play

[DC Muskie]

So does this mean that Mack made 2nd half adjustments? Did he out-coach Wojakowski?

Yes. Mack is very capable of outcoaching anyone. Good adjustments particularly getting more effort.

[IM4X]

Did anyone else notice the strangely abrupt exit by Mack after the post game interview and the look on the interviewers face afterwards?

[sgarcia]

Did anyone else notice the strangely abrupt exit by Mack after the post game interview and the look on the interviewers face afterwards?

I actually went back and watched it again. Hilarious. Did turner have someone else to interview after Mack?

[Xavgrad08]

Huge second half by Xavier. Myles Davis and Remy Abbell provided some much needed three point shooting in the second half. Mack drew up a nice play for Myles Davis out of a timeout and Davis nailed the three in the corner. X can't play that bad in the first half and expect to win many games in this league. Matt Carlino was lights out from three and some of those shots were very will defended. Win and Move on.

I like Macura, but he made some bad decisions in the first half. He picked up a charge on a really dumb drive to the basket. Mack not playing Macura in the second half was the right decision in my opinion. Also, winning at Marquette is going to be tough. On to the next game.

[xukeith]

Tom Eiser ‏@EiserXUSports 2m2 minutes ago Cincinnati, OH

Attendance 10,372 for .@XavierMBB vs. @MarquetteMBB game, 2nd highest total in @CintasCenter history to 2014 Creighton game. #LetsGoX

Well I heard on the radio FM giving tickets away. ON TV I saw lots of empty seats in lower bowl. Maybe Villanova can come closer to Creighton record ast last home game.

[IM4X]

I actually went back and watched it again. Hilarious. Did turner have someone else to interview after Mack?

To me it was like Mack was saying in his head, "I just don't feel like talking... See you."

[LA Muskie]

Did anyone else notice the strangely abrupt exit by Mack after the post game interview and the look on the interviewers face afterwards?

I noticed it as well. Not sure the interviewer was done. Mack apparently was.

[IM4X]

I noticed it as well. Not sure the interviewer was done. Mack apparently was.

Good. So it wasn't just me who thought the same thing.

[xukeith]

Huge second half by Xavier. Myles Davis and Remy Abbell provided some much needed three point shooting in the second half. Mack drew up a nice play for Myles Davis out of a timeout and Davis nailed the three in the corner. X can't play that bad in the first half and expect to win many games in this league. Matt Carlino was lights out from three and some of those shots were very will defended. Win and Move on.

I like Macura, but he made some bad decisions in the first half. He picked up a charge on a really dumb drive to the basket. Mack not playing Macura in the second half was the right decision in my opinion. Also, winning at Marquette is going to be tough. On to the next game.
I still don't know why he started 2 games in a row as he is very weak on defense.

[BMoreX]

Really hope this comeback win just sparks something in this team. It'd be really nice to see Xavier come out hot and playing sound defense at the Dunk up in Providence on Thursday.

[xudash]

So does this mean that Mack made 2nd half adjustments? Did he out-coach Wojakowski?

Exactly. Waiting for the Mack haters to chime in.

Would like some insights into how we could be made to look so pathetic in the first half.

[LadyMuskie]

I told you guys I'd guarantee a win. You're welcome!

[smileyy]

I don't believe he did. And it was definitely the right move imo. He looked lost against the zone. Just not his game to play

One possession I was able to watch featured pretty fierce defense by X, until Macura was completely out of position, and gave up a drive to the basket starting from about 25 feet out.

[Jesuit4Life]

https://pic.twitter.com/xuzfcqoG5r
https://pic.twitter.com/kzEPGSSaTc
https://pic.twitter.com/41EbdjpgrS

[LA Muskie]

Those. Are. AWESOME.

[xudash]

Any one know him. Good luck living those pics down!

[X-Fan]

One possession I was able to watch featured pretty fierce defense by X, until Macura was completely out of position, and gave up a drive to the basket starting from about 25 feet out.
I'm guessing that Mack is starting JP to try and get him going early. I could see JP probably lighting it up in practice and then having issues in games.

Also agree that Mack made great adjustments in the second half.
- Man to Man D was great and caused fits for MU
- Not playing JP or Jalen very much...JP because of his D, Jalen because we needed shooters & someone to run the middle of the offense (not his strength)
- Getting shots for your best shooters. Good work by the guys to move the ball & find an open shooter

Big win! Really REALLY critical that X holds serve at home. I'm really hoping that we can bring that same Man to Man D from the 2nd half the rest of the season. It doesn't have to be suffocating D, but enought to make it more difficult.

Whew and Go X!!!!

[DC Muskie]

Thank God for twitter. It always makes us feel better!

[IM4X]

Exactly. Waiting for the Mack haters to chime in.

Would like some insights into how we could be made to look so pathetic in the first half.

At the start of the game (and throughout the first half) I thought possibly all of the X players overslept and then missed the bus and were still half half asleep out there on the floor:.with their sluggish movement, their bad passes and butter fingers. It was a line up that wasn't working well together.

In Short... It appears Remy will be starting once again.

[xu82]

I told you guys I'd guarantee a win. You're welcome!

If I recall correctly, the guarantee came with some maybes and hopefullys but what the heck, it's a win! Thank you very much.

[danaandvictory]

Exactly. Waiting for the Mack haters to chime in.

I am not a Mack hater or booster at this stage, but you're saying that Mack gets credit for the second half comeback but is off the hook for the first half? I have never seen a team look more clueless against a zone in my life, at least since the last time X played Temple and was down 405-3 at the second TV timeout.

[sirthought]

I am not a Mack hater or booster at this stage, but you're saying that Mack gets credit for the second half comeback but is off the hook for the first half? I have never seen a team look more clueless against a zone in my life, at least since the last time X played Temple and was down 405-3 at the second TV timeout.

This. Fans have a right to vent frustration when the coach isn't getting his team to execute, and praise him when he does.

Glad to see this victory. I'm shocked how out hustled the team was much of the game, but on the flip side I though MU was very physical the first half and weren't having fouls called against them.

[profson]

Wojo held out JuJuan Johnson and explained why after the game:

"Based on the way JJJ practiced, he DNP. If you don't bring it in practice, I have no confidence. There is a standard and if you don't bring it in practice, you don't play, even if that limits us to 7 players."

A Marquette poster commented:

"...you want to bench the guy averaging 10.9 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 2.4 apg, 1.5 spg, and shooting .45.5% from three? On a team that struggles to score and rebound and relies on steals to create offense?"

I found this amusing -- guess Mack is not alone.

[profson]

No comment that XU benefited from luck when 80% FG shooter Fisher misses a 2-footer near the end, guarded by Dee? Imagine how this board would have blown up if he made it and it led to a loss ("what is Mack doing having Matt trapping Carlino 20 feet from the basket!)

[profson]

Pretty mature posting on a Marquette site (not sure how many of us would be so sanguine in the reverse situation"


"I'm "happy" with today's outcome. I'm never truly happy with a loss but a lot of good things happened in this game.

1. We held the number 2 offense, and the top scoring offense in the Big East to 62 points. Xavier has scored 70 or more points in every game but 2 this season.
2. We forced Xavier into 12 first half turnovers. If we kept that up in the second half...
3. Remy Abell has never hit more than 2 3Ps in a game before. He decided to go off for 5 today. That doesn't happen, we win easily.
4. Luke's shot rolls in 9/10 times. Just got an unlucky roll this time.
5. This was a road game against a better team. We were expected to lose by 9. We didn't."

[xukeith]

Macura starts. Mack's coach speak: " Play who practice hard and play team defense" BUT Macura plays 9 minutes in 1st half (0 in second half)
Never start him this season again: He does not play solid defense.

[smileyy]

Macura is going to be an important player in Xavier's future. At some point you have to check in and see what he can give you.

[kyxu]

I am not a Mack hater or booster at this stage, but you're saying that Mack gets credit for the second half comeback but is off the hook for the first half? I have never seen a team look more clueless against a zone in my life, at least since the last time X played Temple and was down 405-3 at the second TV timeout.

+1

Marquette is still finding its way with a new coach, and has little depth. They won't be confused with any of the top teams in this league. No excuse for how completely baffled and wayward this team was in the first half. Happy that we won, but against a slightly better team today (which would be most teams in the Big East), we lose at home.

[X Factor]

Macura starts. Mack's coach speak: " Play who practice hard and play team defense" BUT Macura plays 9 minutes in 1st half (0 in second half)
Never start him this season again: He does not play solid defense.

I get that he doesn't play great defense. If Bluiett decides to ever make a three again this year, we'll be ok, but right now Bluiett isn't giving this team anymore than Macura. Heck, Bluiett can't even make his free throws right now.

[Olsingledigit]

Pretty mature posting on a Marquette site (not sure how many of us would be so sanguine in the reverse situation"


"I'm "happy" with today's outcome. I'm never truly happy with a loss but a lot of good things happened in this game.

1. We held the number 2 offense, and the top scoring offense in the Big East to 62 points. Xavier has scored 70 or more points in every game but 2 this season.
2. We forced Xavier into 12 first half turnovers. If we kept that up in the second half...
3. Remy Abell has never hit more than 2 3Ps in a game before. He decided to go off for 5 today. That doesn't happen, we win easily.
4. Luke's shot rolls in 9/10 times. Just got an unlucky roll this time.
5. This was a road game against a better team. We were expected to lose by 9. We didn't."

And if Carlino hadn't gone off as much as he did we cover the spread. As my dad used to say, "If the dog hadn't stopped to take a cr*p he would have caught the rabbit. Lot of ifs in the world."

[Xavier]

Pretty mature posting on a Marquette site (not sure how many of us would be so sanguine in the reverse situation"


"I'm "happy" with today's outcome. I'm never truly happy with a loss but a lot of good things happened in this game.

1. We held the number 2 offense, and the top scoring offense in the Big East to 62 points. Xavier has scored 70 or more points in every game but 2 this season.
2. We forced Xavier into 12 first half turnovers. If we kept that up in the second half...
3. Remy Abell has never hit more than 2 3Ps in a game before. He decided to go off for 5 today. That doesn't happen, we win easily.
4. Luke's shot rolls in 9/10 times. Just got an unlucky roll this time.
5. This was a road game against a better team. We were expected to lose by 9. We didn't."

Thats great. Easy to be more reserved with those expectations. Xavier expects to make the NCAA tournament this year. You are damn right Xavier fans wouldn't be as reserved with a home loss to Marquette.

[LadyMuskie]

If I recall correctly, the guarantee came with some maybes and hopefullys but what the heck, it's a win! Thank you very much.
And for most of the game I was really glad I qualified that guarantee ;-)

I am not a Mack hater or booster at this stage, but you're saying that Mack gets credit for the second half comeback but is off the hook for the first half? I have never seen a team look more clueless against a zone in my life, at least since the last time X played Temple and was down 405-3 at the second TV timeout.
Amen. The first half was abysmal. I'm not entirely sure, had we played a better team than MU, that our second half effort would have been enough thanks to our first half play.

[xsteve1]

X just doesn't matchup with Marquette very well, similar to the 2011 NCAA where they kicked our ass. They are long pretty much everywhere. If that's in Milwaukee it's probably a double digit loss. Hope Mack can get the offense to handle Marquette's zone the next time.

[LA Muskie]

No comment that XU benefited from luck when 80% FG shooter Fisher misses a 2-footer near the end, guarded by Dee? Imagine how this board would have blown up if he made it and it led to a loss ("what is Mack doing having Matt trapping Carlino 20 feet from the basket!)

There's plenty of luck throughout the game. What if, what if, what if...

[xudash]

There's plenty of luck throughout the game. What if, what if, what if...

Had Matt passed the ball to Myles after his defensive rebound that would have taken 15+ seconds off the clock right there. It should never have come down to that sequence for any number of reasons.

[Masterofreality]

CMack made second half adjustments.

Hail Remy Abell!

[xudash]

I am not a Mack hater or booster at this stage, but you're saying that Mack gets credit for the second half comeback but is off the hook for the first half? I have never seen a team look more clueless against a zone in my life, at least since the last time X played Temple and was down 405-3 at the second TV timeout.

I didn't write a word about him being off the hook for the first half. I even posed a question about how the first half even happened. Marquette came out and hit us in the mouth with pressure and zone defenses that took a while to figure out.

But Mack did make the necessary adjustments and we went on to win the game.

[LA Muskie]

I didn't write a word about him being off the hook for the first half. I even posed a question about how the first half even happened. Marquette came out and hit us in the mouth with pressure and zone defenses that took a while to figure out.

But Mack did make the necessary adjustments and we went on to win the game.

Me either. 1st half was crap. No doubt about it. And Mack definitely has to own some of that. My comment was simply directed to those who claim he's a horrible in-game coach incapable of making halftime adjustments or drawing up out-of-bounds plays.

[xu82]

Had Matt passed the ball to Myles after his defensive rebound that would have taken 15+ seconds off the clock right there. It should never have come down to that sequence for any number of reasons.

Yeah, that looked like Matt expected Myles to be pushing it up the floor when Myles was going to slow it down. Unfortunate event but it sounds like it was pretty common in the first half (before I tuned in). Another "what if" was Mr. 54% FT shooter hitting both on a one and one for them late. I was counting on at least one brick. The final score is all that counts. Plenty to fix, but I'll take the win.

[XU3232]

I'm thrilled we came back and won this game with the season on the line. Remy and Myles were huge... Unbelievably clutch shots. I don't think Mack called a single timeout in the first half. I would have thought he would have taken several to show the team what offense we should be running against the different zones Marquette was throwing at us... Looked completely lost and confused the entire first half.

The crowd got very loud in the second half which was a big advantage... Although every time it really started to rock Wojo would call a timeout which was very smart.

[LA Muskie]

He called at least one TO in the first half that I recall. Probably more.

[XU3232]

He called at least one TO in the first half that I recall. Probably more.

Gotcha. I saw we had 5 timeouts left at the end of the first half so I didn't think he did. Thanks though, I must not have noticed.

[JTG]

Caught Mack on the radio after the game. He was unusually shitty with Byron and Joe. He said there was no leadership on the floor in the first half. He just acted like he was totally pissed off.

[xu82]

Caught Mack on the radio after the game. He was unusually shitty with Byron and Joe. He said there was no leadership on the floor in the first half. He just acted like he was totally pissed off.

I suspect some of that "in game calm" might go out the window behind closed doors.

[LA Muskie]

He should be pissed. We escaped with the W but that 1st half was completely unacceptable and in the vast majority of circumstances it would have cost us the game.

He should also be pissed at himself because, quite frankly, his lineup has put us in a deep hole two games in a row. I know he's trying to do something to jump start the team, but I think even he would admit this is not how he hoped to do so.

[bleedXblue]

The team responded and played a solid second half. Dee was great defensively. I really like having Myles and Remy on the floor together. Macura should be coming off the bench to spell Trevon. I hope Mack is starting to realize that not playing your best player is pretty darn stupid. Although we've seen some really strange stuff in the last week from him. Another opportunity Weds to make something happen.

[LadyMuskie]

Mack said to Joe and Byron that he "wasn't a t-ball coach and couldn't go out into the middle of the floor and remind the guys where they are supposed to be based on what they had practiced" and that getting nervous about knowing where they were supposed to be is what caused our offense to be so bad in the first half.

We rode with other people to the game and back, and all the adults in the car said the same thing - Of course you're not a t-ball coach. But it is January. How do your players not know where to be? How are they still so afraid to mess up that it screws with their offense?

I've asked this before - are our players so dense that they can't get it or is it the way that it's being presented that's the problem? By mid-January we shouldn't be having lineup issues like this and we shouldn't be having the coach talk about the players not knowing what to do mid-game to set plays.

[waggy]

Well it might be that the players are dumb.

I don't really believe that, but it might that there is a whole bunch to know and apply situationally. Right now it looks like it might take all 4 years for JP to get it, and I don't think for a second that he's really dumb.

[smileyy]

X just doesn't matchup with Marquette very well, similar to the 2011 NCAA where they kicked our ass. They are long pretty much everywhere.

Except in the frontcourt.

That loss is a little less bitter now that its clear that it was 6'7" All-NBA SG Jimmy Butler that shut down Tu Holloway.

[LA Muskie]

Mack said to Joe and Byron that he "wasn't a t-ball coach and couldn't go out into the middle of the floor and remind the guys where they are supposed to be based on what they had practiced" and that getting nervous about knowing where they were supposed to be is what caused our offense to be so bad in the first half.

We rode with other people to the game and back, and all the adults in the car said the same thing - Of course you're not a t-ball coach. But it is January. How do your players not know where to be? How are they still so afraid to mess up that it screws with their offense?

I've asked this before - are our players so dense that they can't get it or is it the way that it's being presented that's the problem? By mid-January we shouldn't be having lineup issues like this and we shouldn't be having the coach talk about the players not knowing what to do mid-game to set plays.

I agree. I said earlier in the thread that Mack's decisions the last week -- in terms of lineups and early hooks after mistakes -- had the team playing very apprehensively. Which only led to more mistakes. No offense to Mack, but even my T-Ball coach would have appreciated that risk.

[DC Muskie]

I agree. I said earlier in the thread that Mack's decisions the last week -- in terms of lineups and early hooks after mistakes -- had the team playing very apprehensively. Which only led to more mistakes. No offense to Mack, but even my T-Ball coach would have appreciated that risk.

I do think it's good that they figured out what defense Marquette was running in the second half and adjusted what they needed to do. Which is what you're supposed to do. Which is good.

[LA Muskie]

I do think it's good that they figured out what defense Marquette was running in the second half and adjusted what they needed to do. Which is what you're supposed to do. Which is good.

Right you are. Again.

DC, I'm awarding you the "Master of the What Really Should Be Obvious But For Some Reason Isn't" award of the day. It is actually much more difficult to secure than one would think. Congrats!

[xu82]

Right you are. Again.

DC, I'm awarding you the "Master of the What Really Should Be Obvious But For Some Reason Isn't" award of the day. It is actually much more difficult to secure than one would think. Congrats!

It's a rather wordy award, but it's less misleading than the "Common Sense Award", because it's not so common.

[xu82]

No offense to Mack, but even my T-Ball coach would have appreciated that risk.

If you had just hit the cut off man, he wouldn't have been forced to drop F Bombs on a bunch of 8 year olds!
(At least, that's how I remember T ball.)

[DC Muskie]

DC, I'm awarding you the "Master of the What Really Should Be Obvious But For Some Reason Isn't" award of the day. It is actually much more difficult to secure than one would think. Congrats!

I'd like to thank everyone for helping make this award possible. Chiefly LA Muskie, whose wisdom was to not only create the award, but also, to award this award. To me.

I'd like to thank my parents for giving me my charming good looks. My co workers for never knowing how masterly I am when it comes to obvious things, because I keep it to myself when I'm not on here. And for the pizza I'm about to finish off, which allows me to be sedentary and be here, at this moment.

I hope tomorrow I can come back and work hard to be awarded this award. Thank you.

Oh by the way, I forgot to thank God, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Academy. Thank you.

[LadyMuskie]

I'd like to thank everyone for helping make this award possible. Chiefly LA Muskie, whose wisdom was to not only create the award, but also, to award this award. To me.

I'd like to thank my parents for giving me my charming good looks. My co workers for never knowing how masterly I am when it comes to obvious things, because I keep it to myself when I'm not on here. And for the pizza I'm about to finish off, which allows me to be sedentary and be here, at this moment.

I hope tomorrow I can come back and work hard to be awarded this award. Thank you.

You forgot God and the academy. What kind of a heathen are you? :wink:

[X-band '01]

X just doesn't matchup with Marquette very well, similar to the 2011 NCAA where they kicked our ass. They are long pretty much everywhere. If that's in Milwaukee it's probably a double digit loss. Hope Mack can get the offense to handle Marquette's zone the next time.

Thankfully Xavier beat Marquette twice last year, including the Big East tournament. If Xavier lost that game, they would have been relegated to the NIT.

[Masterofreality]

I'd like to thank everyone for helping make this award possible. Chiefly LA Muskie, whose wisdom was to not only create the award, but also, to award this award. To me.

I'd like to thank my parents for giving me my charming good looks. My co workers for never knowing how masterly I am when it comes to obvious things, because I keep it to myself when I'm not on here. And for the pizza I'm about to finish off, which allows me to be sedentary and be here, at this moment.

I hope tomorrow I can come back and work hard to be awarded this award. Thank you.

Oh by the way, I forgot to thank God, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Academy. Thank you.

"Congratulations on the Prestigious Award. Your Form 1099 from the IRS is on the way to indicate the value of said award and the tax due. Payment is due upon receipt.

Sincerely,

The United States Internal Revenue Service"

[DC Muskie]

"Congratulations on the Prestigious Award. Your Form 1099 from the IRS is on the way to indicate the value of said award and the tax due. Payment is due upon receipt.

Sincerely,

The United States Internal Revenue Service"

I'll have that payment as soon as I'm done with this pizza and hit the head.

[American X]

No comment that XU benefited from luck when 80% FG shooter Fisher misses a 2-footer near the end, guarded by Dee? Imagine how this board would have blown up if he made it and it led to a loss ("what is Mack doing having Matt trapping Carlino 20 feet from the basket!)

Enough with the hedging! Xavier almost gave up the game-winning layup to a wide-open Fischer because Stainbrook was 25 feet away.

I am convinced the spirit of Father Hoff knocked that ball off of the rim.

[JTG]

Enough with the hedging! Xavier almost gave up the game-winning layup to a wide-open Fischer because Stainbrook was 25 feet away.

I am convinced the spirit of Father Hoff knocked that ball off of the rim.

Amen to the hedging. If he was a spectacular athlete maybe, but having a fat cab driver hedging is just fucking stupid.

[Masterofreality]

Amen to the hedging. If he was a spectacular athlete maybe, but having a fat cab driver hedging is just fucking stupid.

Uncalled for. Matt is not fat at all anymore. He is a big boy though.

Hedging in some games against some guards, but not all. Again, you cannot just "do what we do" without adjusting at times.

[bjf123]

Not sure if this was mentioned anywhere in the thread, but I really think one of the issues with looking so tentative in the first half is Mack's statement about going with the guys who work hardest in practice, even if they're not the best player. I think that resulted in everyone being afraid to make a mistake, so they're all playing it "safe" which clearly doesn't work.


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[XU 87]

I am not a Mack hater or booster at this stage, but you're saying that Mack gets credit for the second half comeback but is off the hook for the first half? I have never seen a team look more clueless against a zone in my life, at least since the last time X played Temple and was down 405-3 at the second TV timeout.

I would agree with this. This team was lost offensively against the zone in the first half. In the second half, X was attacking the zone so well that I was disappointed when Marquette got out of the zone and went man.

I think it would be fair to say that there was poor coaching in the first half and good coaching in the second half. One question I have is why the team was so lost against the zone in the first half.

It also helped that X made some threes in the second half. For some reason, a team making shots always seems to make the coach look better.

As for the hedging, X played great defense yesterday hedging. It looked like there was a mix up on the last play where they missed the layup. That said, that was a pretty bad time to have a mix up on defense.

[LA Muskie]

For those complaining about the hedge, Carlino was killing us with lights-out shooting. No hedge at the end, and he has an open jumper at the top of the key.

[XU 87]

For those complaining about the hedge, Carlino was killing us with lights-out shooting. No hedge at the end, and he has an open jumper at the top of the key.

Not much could have been done on two of those threes towards the end. He made them with a guy right in his face. Sometimes guys make tough shots against good defense.

[LadyMuskie]

For those complaining about the hedge, Carlino was killing us with lights-out shooting. No hedge at the end, and he has an open jumper at the top of the key.
I completely agree. Carlino had 27 points and seemingly couldn't miss from anywhere on the court. No way was he gonna make it shooting over Stainbrook. That was a very good coaching call by Mack.

[RoseyMuskie]

He called at least one TO in the first half that I recall. Probably more.

He did not call any. Which is inexcusable. There were a myriad of reasons to call one. Design a zone busting play. Emphasize ball control. Or even give the team a break. Since one doesn't carry over, it was poor coaching.

[Cheesehead]

I am not going to bash Mack and I have been giving him the benefit of the doubt for past three seasons but for a variety of reasons already mentioned on this board, my concern is growing. I am trying not to be a negative Nellie as there are plenty of those on this board but there are some red flags. I can also say this, Wojo did a helluva job with the roster he has. Watch out when their top 6 recruiting class comes in next season.