View Full Version : XAVIER vs VILLANOVA
MADXSTER
01-12-2015, 09:05 AM
1595 vs 1596
Xavier University Musketeers (11-5) (2-2)
W Northern Arizona 93-60 Preseason pick was 3rd in Big Sky
W Long Beach State 97-74 Preseason pick was 3rd in Big West
W Stephen F Austin 81-63 Preseason pick was 1st in Southland
W Murray State 89-62 Preseason pick was 1st in OVC
W San Diego Toreros 82-71 Preseason pick was 5th in WCC
L UTEP Miners 77-73 Preseason pick was 2nd in CUSA
L Long Beach State 73-70 Preseason pick was 3rd in Big West
W Alabama 97-84 Preseason pick was 10th in the SEC
W IUPUI Jaquars 66-43
W Missouri Tigers 74-58 Preseason pick was 7th in the SEC
L Auburn Tigers 89-88 2OT
W Florida Gulf Coast 71-57 Preseason pick was 1st
W Georgetown Hoyas 70-53
L DePaul Blue Demons 71-68
W Seton Hall Pirates 69-58
L Butler Bulldogs 88-76
vs Villanova Wildcats (15-1) (3-1)
W Lehigh N 66-77
W Maryland Eastern Shore H 81-44
W Bucknell H 72-65
W VCU N 53-77 W
W Michigan N 55-60
W Delaware H 78-47
W La Salle A 70-84
W Saint Joseph's H 74-46
W Illinois N 59-73
W Temple H 85-62
W Syracuse H 82-77
W NJIT H 92-67
W Butler H 67-55
L Seton Hall A 66-61
W St. John's A 72-90
W DePaul H 81-64
Wednesday Jan. 14, 2014 9:00 p.m. ET in Philadelphia
Television: Fox Sports 1
Radio: 700 WLW
drudy23
01-12-2015, 09:41 AM
They're good.
In the middle of the night last night, I woke up in a cold sweat thinking of what Pinkston and company are going to do to this defense.
Xville
01-12-2015, 10:21 AM
All I want this game is to see great defensive effort. If we can't bring effort and intensity to this game, I don't see it coming this year. Anyone who doesn't bring it defensively this game, should be benched the next game.
casualfan
01-12-2015, 10:24 AM
I don't know how, but our guys need to find some toughness before Wednesday night or this one could get out of hand.
Farr, Reynolds, Stain and co need to sack up and come to play or Ochefu and Pinkston are going to eat us alive in the post.
GoMuskies
01-12-2015, 10:37 AM
It probably won't be enough, because Villanova is very good, but I really expect a huge effort from our guys. I mean, for the first time all year the pressure is completely off of them, because NO ONE expects Xavier to win Wednesday night. With really nothing to lose, I think this group could (will) turn in a big performance. Hot shooting from behind the arc would certainly help.
casualfan
01-12-2015, 10:42 AM
It probably won't be enough, because Villanova is very good, but I really expect a huge effort from our guys. I mean, for the first time all year the pressure is completely off of them, because NO ONE expects Xavier to win Wednesday night. With really nothing to lose, I think this group could (will) turn in a big performance. Hot shooting from behind the arc would certainly help.
I'd love to agree with you, but I just don't see it.
We don't have the players to defend a team like Nova. Unless 'Nova comes out and has a really cold shooting night I just don't see it.
GoMuskies
01-12-2015, 10:44 AM
That's why it probably still won't be enough. But I think we'll score a lot and make Nova nervous for a long time.
Masterofreality
01-12-2015, 10:55 AM
That's why it probably still won't be enough. But I think we'll score a lot and make Nova nervous for a long time.
Well, there will be me, EastcoastXman and 3 other Lew Hirt Society Brothers in the Pavilion Wednesday night plus potentially others.
We're going to have a nice steak first, a couple of pops then go see a basketball game with NO expectations of anything.
Hey, upsets occur right?
crolfes12
01-13-2015, 05:36 PM
What's up with Randolph? Why didn't he play vs Butler? IMO he hasn't played too bad this year
xufan2434
01-13-2015, 05:46 PM
What's up with Randolph? Why didn't he play vs Butler? IMO he hasn't played too bad this year
Just another one of Mack's random doghouse routines I would be guessing..
Xavier
01-13-2015, 06:45 PM
I think Xavier will really challenge Nova. I really think the game won't be decided heading into the under 4 TV time out in the second half.
D-West & PO-Z
01-13-2015, 06:50 PM
I think Xavier will really challenge Nova. I really think the game won't be decided heading into the under 4 TV time out in the second half.
Agree. I picked Nova in the pick the score but I had it close. I think XU can win, then I ask why I think that and I realize I have no evidence to think that and the only reason I think they can win is because I am a fan. But I picked it close and I think it will be close most of the game. I just want us to have a chance to steal it at the end.
LA Muskie
01-13-2015, 06:51 PM
Agree. I picked Nova in the pick the score but I had it close. I think XU can win, then I ask why I think that and I realize I have no evidence to think that and the only reason I think they can win is because I am a fan. But I picked it close and I think it will be close most of the game. I just want us to have a chance to steal it at the end.
I think we have a tendency to play to our talent level, particularly (although not exclusively) on the road. For that reason, I also expect a very close game tomorrow.
DC Muskie
01-13-2015, 06:52 PM
Anyone else think they are going to press our guards or at least trap them mid court? Nova is really good at that.
I hate this game.
XU 87
01-13-2015, 06:53 PM
Just another one of Mack's random doghouse routines I would be guessing..
There is nothing random about it. The staff was VERY upset with Randolph's defense in the first half against Seton Hall. He was taken out and didn't play in the second half.
LA Muskie
01-13-2015, 07:02 PM
Anyone else think they are going to press our guards or at least trap them mid court? Nova is really good at that.
I hate this game.
After watching us struggle in the half-court, particularly on the road, I wouldn't be inclined to speed up the game and risk giving up easy buckets if I were them.
XUFan09
01-13-2015, 07:06 PM
There is nothing random about it. The staff was VERY upset with Randolph's defense in the first half against Seton Hall. He was taken out and didn't play in the second half.
Not to mention that the offense has often sputtered with him at the helm.
DC Muskie
01-13-2015, 07:09 PM
After watching us struggle in the half-court, particularly on the road, I wouldn't be inclined to speed up the game and risk giving up easy buckets if I were them.
I don't think the half court trap speeds people up for easy baskets. I think it speeds people up to make mistakes. Just extending the pressure.
D-West & PO-Z
01-13-2015, 07:13 PM
Not to mention that the office has often sputtered with him at the helm.
He's never been a good office manager. Damn shame.
LA Muskie
01-13-2015, 08:08 PM
I don't think the half court trap speeds people up for easy baskets. I think it speeds people up to make mistakes. Just extending the pressure.
A press speeds up the game. A half-court press may not, but it certainly opens up the floor. For the most part, our guard play is our strong suit -- at least in terms of ball-handling and court vision. I wouldn't play into our strength. Instead, especially given Stain's recent struggles and the fact that it's their home court, I'd pack it in, not let Stain breath, and force our guys to make contested jumpers.
DC Muskie
01-13-2015, 08:11 PM
A press speeds up the game. A half-court press may not, but it certainly opens up the floor. For the most part, our guard play is our strong suit -- at least in terms of ball-handling and court vision. I wouldn't play into our strength. Instead, especially given Stain's recent struggles and the fact that it's their home court, I'd pack it in, not let Stain breath, and force our guys to make contested jumpers.
Okay. I hope you are right. More importantly, I hope Stain picks it up.
LA Muskie
01-13-2015, 08:30 PM
Okay. I hope you are right. More importantly, I hope Stain picks it up.
I just hope we fight. If we get after 50/50 balls, rebound, and defend I'll be happy win or lose. Though I'd much prefer the W.
DC Muskie
01-13-2015, 08:42 PM
I just hope we fight. If we get after 50/50 balls, rebound, and defend I'll be happy win or lose. Though I'd much prefer the W.
They have to be off big time on the offensive end.
xsteve1
01-13-2015, 09:07 PM
I just hope we fight. If we get after 50/50 balls, rebound, and defend I'll be happy win or lose. Though I'd much prefer the W.
Agree. If we play like we did last year at Nova it will be very discouraging.
xdude
01-13-2015, 09:27 PM
Outside some clutch offense at the end of the OT Auburn loss, we've not shot well in those road losses. Ball in hole...
vee4xu
01-14-2015, 09:14 AM
Paper shows X 10.5 point Dogs. Who knows??
vee4xu
01-14-2015, 09:30 AM
Victory tonight looks something like this to me:
Keep Villanova under 50 pts in second half (assuming that X does so in first half) and the final score within 5-7 points. Just bein' real.
sgarcia
01-14-2015, 09:38 AM
Work that shot clock every time we have the ball. I think that's our best chance tonight. I'll be praying starting the second I walk into the Pavilion tonight. Just hoping to keep it close and respectable.
BandAid
01-14-2015, 09:44 AM
There is nothing random about it. The staff was VERY upset with Randolph's defense in the first half against Seton Hall. He was taken out and didn't play in the second half.
I hope Randolph can come into his own quickly. He may be incredibly important to this team next year. He won't be the tallest of the pgs, but he has the most muscle on him which is almost a necessity for a point guard in the Big East.
vee4xu
01-14-2015, 09:45 AM
Work that shot clock every time we have the ball. I think that's our best chance tonight. I'll be praying starting the second I walk into the Pavilion tonight. Just hoping to keep it close and respectable.
You may want to start now. At your request I'll drop a prayer or two, hoping God cares! I'll be praying for mercy. Thx for braving those elements tonight on X's behalf.
LA Muskie
01-14-2015, 11:31 AM
Work that shot clock every time we have the ball. I think that's our best chance tonight. I'll be praying starting the second I walk into the Pavilion tonight. Just hoping to keep it close and respectable.
In theory I understand this strategy. But have you seen our offense when we are up against a clock? We look like deer in headlights and take bad shots.
Our strength is our transition offense; we aren't nearly as good in the half court. I think we need to play to our strength. Even if it also plays to theirs. I think we need to play our game on offense, and bring it on defense and on the boards to win. (I also think we need 'Nova to have an off night...)
But that's just my opinion. I'm sure reasonable minds could differ.
GoMuskies
01-14-2015, 11:35 AM
I think slowing the game down would be a disaster for us.
sgarcia
01-14-2015, 11:39 AM
In theory I understand this strategy. But have you seen our offense when we are up against a clock? We look like deer in headlights and take bad shots.
Our strength is our transition offense; we aren't nearly as good in the half court. I think we need to play to our strength. Even if it also plays to theirs. I think we need to play our game on offense, and bring it on defense and on the boards to win. (I also think we need 'Nova to have an off night...)
But that's just my opinion. I'm sure reasonable minds could differ.
LA, I value your point on this. Lack of movement in the half court frustrates me to know end. I've seen enough side pick and rolls with a big man to last me a lifetime. I just worry that if we try to run we'll get throttled so I was going with the possible lesser of 2 evils choice.
xufan2434
01-14-2015, 01:59 PM
http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=400504556
Things that jumped out to me from last year @ Nova that have to be better:
- 16 turnovers to Nova's 7... Every starter for X had at least 2 on their own.
- Dee was 1-7 (0-3 from 3).. We need him to score better than that or at least be more efficient with the offense.
- Rebounding numbers weren't as bad as I expected, but Nova shot 28 3's.. and if even if they aren't hitting them, it leads to long rebounds. Guards have to box out tonight on those and limit to one possession.
DC Muskie
01-14-2015, 03:37 PM
I was at that game last year. The only good thing about it were the cheesesteaks I had before hand and the bourbon I had after.
crolfes12
01-14-2015, 03:43 PM
Expect to see lineup changes (including starters)
DC Muskie
01-14-2015, 03:49 PM
Expect to see lineup changes (including starters)
Who would you guess would start tonight? Do we go small?
crolfes12
01-14-2015, 03:59 PM
Who would you guess would start tonight? Do we go small?
Toughness first. Would not be surprised to see O'mara start or be the first big off the bench. I also think Trevon will come off the bench. Mack was pissed at him during the Butler game for allowing Jones to dominate
chico
01-14-2015, 04:02 PM
In theory I understand this strategy. But have you seen our offense when we are up against a clock? We look like deer in headlights and take bad shots.
Our strength is our transition offense; we aren't nearly as good in the half court. I think we need to play to our strength. Even if it also plays to theirs. I think we need to play our game on offense, and bring it on defense and on the boards to win. (I also think we need 'Nova to have an off night...)
But that's just my opinion. I'm sure reasonable minds could differ.
I tend to agree with this. If we get out and run with some measure of success it may put some pressure on Nova to speed it up on their end. Everyone's heard the saying that sometime the best offense is a good defense, but the opposite can also be true, especially for a team like ours that can be defensively challenged at times.
If we do speed it up the guards have to really make an effort to get back on defense, though.
xukeith
01-14-2015, 04:05 PM
I doubt we see any starters change. Maybe that was talk. Mack will change the substitution pattern. Less Macura, more Austin probably.
I imagine X will have to play amazing D and make at least 11 3's to come close.
drudy23
01-14-2015, 04:11 PM
I would hope all of that hard ass talk doesn't just result in more Austin and less Macura. That would be weak.
xufan2434
01-14-2015, 04:18 PM
What other changes do people want to see?
I know it's easy to point at Bluiett not starting. But I really don't think Myles is the answer on that one with the size of Nova and his defensive abilities. I do think Bluiett needs to play less minutes. You can tell he's already starting to wear down. There aren't really a whole lot of changes that you can make on the road against the 5th best team in the country.
drudy23
01-14-2015, 04:48 PM
Way more Jalen, way less Farr.
Less D Davis, more of the other point guards.
At least thats my thought.
I like Macura's toughness, but apparently he cant guard anyone at all.
ammtd34
01-14-2015, 04:54 PM
I doubt we see any starters change. Maybe that was talk. Mack will change the substitution pattern. Less Macura, more Austin probably.
I imagine X will have to play amazing D and make at least 11 3's to come close.
I don't.
xufan2434
01-14-2015, 04:55 PM
Way more Jalen, way less Farr.
Less D Davis, more of the other point guards.
At least thats my thought.
I like Macura's toughness, but apparently he cant guard anyone at all.
Do agree with Jalen.. It would be awesome if he could pull out a Madison Square Garden performance tonight while staying out of foul trouble
Xavier_Musketeers
01-14-2015, 05:05 PM
We haven't had a road win against a ranked team since 2011 against Vanderbilt, it's time to get one tonight
DC Muskie
01-14-2015, 05:09 PM
We haven't had a road win against a ranked team since 2011 against Vanderbilt, it's time to get one tonight
Out of how many chances?
BandAid
01-14-2015, 05:20 PM
I'm excited to see what changes Mack makes to the lineup/rotation. Byron alluded to it being kind of a big deal when he was on with Mo Egger. It will give us some insight into who in particular Mack thinks needs to step up the intensity. I'm guessing we could see more Myles, Macura, Austin, and maybe even some O'Mara. Macura may have trouble guarding people, but he is nothing but energy when he's in the game. And other teams hate him, so that's a plus.
Or I could be completely wrong about those guesses.
vee4xu
01-14-2015, 05:24 PM
I sense that there are more people straddling the line on how they feel about this team's current state, this team's future state, this team's coach, this team's competitiveness, etc. This could be a watershed game tonight as relates to galvanizing opinions in way or the other. Many are standing on the ledge looking down and how this game finishes will determine how they feel about team and coach. A blowout where X loses will be very, very interesting in seeing where folks standing pat go. We shall see.
I sense that there are more people straddling the line on how they feel about this team's current state, this team's future state, this team's coach, this team's competitiveness, etc. This could be a watershed game tonight as relates to galvanizing opinions in way or the other. Many are standing on the ledge looking down and how this game finishes will determine how they feel about team and coach. A blowout where X loses will be very, very interesting in seeing where folks standing pat go. We shall see.
No matter how good Xavier was going to be this year, tonight's game was going to be difficult to win, so nothing has changed. If Xavier plays well and fights through a close loss, I think many of us can accept that without much trepidation. A performance like last year's at Villanova, however, will be very troubling and will rightfully confirm some of the questions about this team.
MADXSTER
01-14-2015, 05:36 PM
Less Stain, more Jalen and James
Less Tre, More JP
More Myles
DC Muskie
01-14-2015, 05:43 PM
All I want to see is fight. I do not expect us to win. Didn't at the beginning of the season, especially not now.
This is the game that defines the idea that winning on the road is tough. And tough is not a word I would attach to this team.
bleedXblue
01-14-2015, 05:58 PM
I sense that there are more people straddling the line on how they feel about this team's current state, this team's future state, this team's coach, this team's competitiveness, etc. This could be a watershed game tonight as relates to galvanizing opinions in way or the other. Many are standing on the ledge looking down and how this game finishes will determine how they feel about team and coach. A blowout where X loses will be very, very interesting in seeing where folks standing pat go. We shall see.
I'm almost the complete opposite. I expect a loss. I don't expect to see these guys magically turn into great defenders. I'm more looking for a change of attitude and consistent balls to the wall effort for a prolonged stretch of games. I want to see guys that care. Guys emerge as floor leaders. All the stuff this team has been lacking for the last 2 plus years.
bleedXblue
01-14-2015, 06:02 PM
Less Stain, more Jalen and James
Less Tre, More JP
More Myles
Jalen has been his own limiting factor for the most part. If he would pull his head out of his....and actually use his brain on the court instead of making the same old stupid fouls that are completely head scratching most of the time.....he would play more and contribute more.
Macura has been dreadful the last two games. He cant guard at all. I love his effort and energy though.
Time for some guys to turn the corner and make a difference.
Yes DC, I want to see a pissed off .....we're tired of this shit team tonight.
DC Muskie
01-14-2015, 06:05 PM
We haven't had a road win against a ranked team since 2011 against Vanderbilt, it's time to get one tonight
Also we haven't scored a road victory of a team with an RPI lower than 50 since this game as well.
That's 3 1/2 years.
Dee Davis could go his entire career and never experience that.
Also we haven't scored a road victory of a team with an RPI lower than 50 since this game as well.
That's 3 1/2 years.
Dee Davis could go his entire career and never experience that.
Didn't know that- not a promising stat. Actually, it's making me a little nauseous just thinking about it.
Come on X- do us proud. Kick some Nova butt!
DC Muskie
01-14-2015, 07:26 PM
Didn't know that- not a promising stat. Actually, it's making me a little nauseous just thinking about it.
Come on X- do us proud. Kick some Nova butt!
Mack is 3-13 in road games against RPI 50 or below opponents. Those three wins took place in his first two years.
Granted I don't how that stacks up against others, but ten games under and being currently 0-7 is not great.
THRILLHOUSE
01-14-2015, 07:36 PM
Also we haven't scored a road victory of a team with an RPI lower than 50 since this game as well.
That's 3 1/2 years.
Dee Davis could go his entire career and never experience that.
Dee Davis was on the 2011-12 team that won at Vandy. Granted he didn't play much, but he was a freshman on that team.
DC Muskie
01-14-2015, 07:44 PM
Dee Davis was on the 2011-12 team that won at Vandy. Granted he didn't play much, but he was a freshman on that team.
Sorry, thanks for that. I didn't look up the box score and went back and forth about whether he was on the team.
xsteve1
01-14-2015, 07:44 PM
Mack is 3-13 in road games against RPI 50 or below opponents. Those three wins took place in his first two years.
Granted I don't how that stacks up against others, but ten games under and being currently 0-7 is not great.
The question you have to ask is it a motivation issue. At Cintas X has the crowd to give them energy. At US Bank last year against UC the X crowd was great. Mack needs to find a way to motivate these guys. I just saw Ed Cooley really get into his guys on the sidelines during a timeout something I don't think I've ever seen Mack do.
DC Muskie
01-14-2015, 07:48 PM
The question you have to ask is it a motivation issue. At Cintas X has the crowd to give them energy. At US Bank last year against UC the X crowd was great. Mack needs to find a way to motivate these guys. I just saw Ed Cooley really get into his guys on the sidelines during a timeout something I don't think I've ever seen Mack do.
One of my favorite memories of Sean Miller was when we were up at UMass. I had seats right behind the bench and watched Sean pull Josh Duncan from the game, sit him on the bench, waited then turned and screamed at him, "JOSH DO SOMETHING!" and Josh went out and did something.
bleedXblue
01-14-2015, 07:53 PM
The question you have to ask is it a motivation issue. At Cintas X has the crowd to give them energy. At US Bank last year against UC the X crowd was great. Mack needs to find a way to motivate these guys. I just saw Ed Cooley really get into his guys on the sidelines during a timeout something I don't think I've ever seen Mack do.
Ladies and gentleman we have a winner !!!!
xubball1993
01-14-2015, 08:00 PM
Killing time before tip-off by watching Hoosiers (again, never gets old).
"I've seen you guys can shoot but there's more to the game than shooting. There's fundamentals and defense."
X-band '01
01-14-2015, 08:02 PM
Providence is having one of their "everything goes wrong" kind of games, but I thought they already used that up when they lost at home to Brown back in December.
BMoreX
01-14-2015, 08:27 PM
@slrussell: I don't have the starting lineups yet but I hear J.P. Macura and Larry Austin Jr. are starting. Stay tuned. #Xavier
casualfan
01-14-2015, 08:30 PM
@slrussell: I don't have the starting lineups yet but I hear J.P. Macura and Larry Austin Jr. are starting. Stay tuned. #Xavier
I'm all for a shake up and don't mind the macura move, but larry austin? On the road? Against a top 5 team?
Should be interesting.
XMuskieFTW
01-14-2015, 08:30 PM
Ummmmm wow.
Musketeer_15
01-14-2015, 08:35 PM
God I hope this new lineup works
fellahmuskie
01-14-2015, 08:35 PM
Can't wait for this game. I am on the fence about this team and coach, but I know they are more than capable of winning. Pull the upset here, go on a run and no one ever remembers the early January anxiety and doubt. It's an awesome opportunity. This is why we joined the big east. Let's get it done!! Go X!!
Muskie
01-14-2015, 08:38 PM
I'm all for a shake up and don't mind the macura move, but larry austin? On the road? Against a top 5 team?
Should be interesting.
Why don't you mind the Macura move? I haven't seen anything out of him recently.
drudy23
01-14-2015, 08:39 PM
Nice - JP don't prove me wrong.
JP has stones, and my guess is that Mack is proving this point even with JPs defensive troubles.
casualfan
01-14-2015, 08:40 PM
Why don't you mind the Macura move? I haven't seen anything out of him recently.
At least we've seen something from him at some point this year.
Austin hasn't even played in a lot of games.
RoseyMuskie
01-14-2015, 08:50 PM
Don't understand why Remy isn't starting. We have defensive issues, and he's our best defender...
bleedXblue
01-14-2015, 08:52 PM
This is where a coach can look like a genius or a complete idiot. We shall see.
I still say Dee plays 30 minutes and Trevon gets at least 20.
bleedXblue
01-14-2015, 08:52 PM
Don't understand why Remy isn't starting. We have defensive issues, and he's our best defender...
No one said he isn't?
RoseyMuskie
01-14-2015, 08:57 PM
No one said he isn't?
Shannon Russell did, and the Xavier basketball Twitter account indicated JP and Larry are starting.
blobfan
01-14-2015, 08:58 PM
I really don't want to stay up late on a work night to watch our guys lose. I'm hoping this is the game where they pull it all together.
bleedXblue
01-14-2015, 08:58 PM
Just saw Shannon tweet....JP, Dee, Trevon, Austin and Stain starting.
bleedXblue
01-14-2015, 08:59 PM
[QUOTE=RoseyMuskie;478038]Shannon Russell did, and the Xavier basketball Twitter account indicated JP and Larry are starting.[/QUOT
Agree about Remy unless Mack said those that's practice the hardest this week get the start
Nocalmuskie
01-14-2015, 09:00 PM
Anyone else having problems with the 700 WLW stream?
X-Fan
01-14-2015, 09:01 PM
Remy being out has to be some sort of motivational bit. Otherwise I don't get it.
XUFan09
01-14-2015, 09:01 PM
As I had this game penciled in as a loss before the season started, I expect we won't see how effective these roster shakeups are until subsequent games. Or, we somehow amazingly win.
I'm hearing we have "issues".
paulxu
01-14-2015, 09:15 PM
I see we have the A team announcers.
As to the lineup, Mack must have done that to satisfy all you on the board who keep saying he should shake things up.
gladdenguy
01-14-2015, 09:15 PM
Just what we need. Another Mack team with issues.
I will tell you the issues.
Lack toughness
Can't play defense
Have a point guard who is good one game and terrible for the next 3 games.
That is just a start.
paulxu
01-14-2015, 09:19 PM
I want to see more movement in our half court offense.
Muskie
01-14-2015, 09:19 PM
I would seriously like to know what the team shooting percentage is inside of 4 ft.
BMoreX
01-14-2015, 09:19 PM
Over before it started.
mistabeecee41
01-14-2015, 09:20 PM
Joke of a gameplan.
gladdenguy
01-14-2015, 09:20 PM
Let's start JP Macura since he plays such great defense.
I suspect they will miss a three. In their next game maybe, but eventually.
DC Muskie
01-14-2015, 09:20 PM
Well they are trapping us, which is actually slowing us down, which we aren't very good at, and killing us on threes like they did last year.
XMuskieFTW
01-14-2015, 09:21 PM
Hmm I thought starting worse players would work! -__-
waggy
01-14-2015, 09:21 PM
Well if you're looking to get dismantled, Nova is as good place as any.
How's that for a silver lining.
XU 87
01-14-2015, 09:21 PM
I'm all for a shake up and don't mind the macura move, but larry austin? On the road? Against a top 5 team?
Should be interesting.
I don't get Austin starting at all. How do you go from not playing to starting? And we're down 11-2 with no defense again.
BMoreX
01-14-2015, 09:21 PM
Good night
drudy23
01-14-2015, 09:22 PM
I suspect this may turn out to be the "hit rock bottom game".
Blue Blobs Bro
01-14-2015, 09:22 PM
Stop bitching, it most definitely is not over before it started
Was the starting lineup about getting better ball handlers against the press?
Xville
01-14-2015, 09:22 PM
Great start....same crap different game....don't bother defending the three
RoseyMuskie
01-14-2015, 09:22 PM
Lolz!
drudy23
01-14-2015, 09:24 PM
So what are these "issues"?
4 guard starting lineup blows up.
Xville
01-14-2015, 09:24 PM
I'm pretty convinced now that Mack has no clue how to coach this team away from cintas.
Got 'em where we want 'em now.... over confident!
X Factor
01-14-2015, 09:24 PM
If you're going to start Macura, let him at least try and get something going on offense. You know he's not going to lock anyone down on defense. What's the purpose of starting him if you yank him after one minute?
xsteve1
01-14-2015, 09:25 PM
I hope X can keep it within 40. Christ. Same old.
BMoreX
01-14-2015, 09:25 PM
In all seriousness I wasn't expecting anything from this game.
xsteve1
01-14-2015, 09:25 PM
Mack looks beat already.
drudy23
01-14-2015, 09:26 PM
If you're going to start Macura, let him at least try and get something going on offense. You know he's not going to lock anyone down on defense. What's the purpose of starting him if you yank him after one minute?
Exactly. Doesn't really mean much if we go back to the same lineup 1 minute into the game.
Kahns Krazy
01-14-2015, 09:26 PM
We are in a really good spot to sneak up on Nova from.
casualfan
01-14-2015, 09:26 PM
I don't get Austin starting at all. How do you go from not playing to starting? And we're down 11-2 with no defense again.
We are 100% on the same page. Is BrandoN Randolph still alive?
waggy
01-14-2015, 09:26 PM
Gift. But God knows they needed it.
XU 87
01-14-2015, 09:27 PM
I'm listening on the radio. Are these three pointer nova is making contested?
DC Muskie
01-14-2015, 09:27 PM
Watching Hart and Jenkins play against us hurts my feelings.
Xville
01-14-2015, 09:28 PM
I wonder how many open threes nova will shoot before Mack actually gets in someone's face
drudy23
01-14-2015, 09:28 PM
I'm listening on the radio. Are these three pointer nova is making contested?
Not wide open, but certainly not super tough shots either.
bleedXblue
01-14-2015, 09:28 PM
If you're going to start Macura, let him at least try and get something going on offense. You know he's not going to lock anyone down on defense. What's the purpose of starting him if you yank him after one minute?
You do these things when your desperate and searching. Abel not starting? What f'in genius decided that one? A team struggling on D and you don't start your best defender..........holy crap Batman.
I'm listening on the radio. Are these three pointer nova is making contested?
We slept through an uncontested layup.
drudy23
01-14-2015, 09:29 PM
this is fucking ridiculous
BMoreX
01-14-2015, 09:29 PM
Our three point defense is horrendous
DC Muskie
01-14-2015, 09:30 PM
6-9 from three. Jeez.
bjf123
01-14-2015, 09:30 PM
Let's keep swapping 2s for 3s.
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waggy
01-14-2015, 09:30 PM
Nova on pace for 1,000.
XU 87
01-14-2015, 09:30 PM
Nova 5-7 from three. Awful.
Or is it 6 of 9?
drudy23
01-14-2015, 09:31 PM
JP can't guard his shadow...he better score 25
chico
01-14-2015, 09:31 PM
Macura has no conscience. That kid will shoot from anywhere at any time. I like the attitude but we need results.
Xville
01-14-2015, 09:31 PM
Our three point defense is horrendous
We play defense?
DC Muskie
01-14-2015, 09:31 PM
I've always loved Nova's approach to defense.
Dee got clobbered, but going to sleep in the half court is on Blueitt
DC Muskie
01-14-2015, 09:32 PM
Macura has no conscience. That kid will shoot from anywhere at any time. I like the attitude but we need results.
He has fight.
Retire33
01-14-2015, 09:32 PM
So you all want them to close out un controllably? Four of the six threes are with hands in the face on close out...
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Nova on pace for 1,000.
They'll cool off. I doubt they get over 600.
SkyWalker
01-14-2015, 09:33 PM
Villanova has not made a three in the last minute. I think a timeout may be our best defense.
drudy23
01-14-2015, 09:33 PM
So you all want them to close out un controllably? Four of the six threes are with hands in the face on close out...
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Why are they that open to need a close out on EVERY three? They shoot 3's...well...gotta be better.
bjf123
01-14-2015, 09:34 PM
Nova 5-7 from three. Awful.
Or is it 6 of 9?
6 of 9. They're averaging 7.5 threes a game.
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drudy23
01-14-2015, 09:34 PM
And coach Mack just backed me up in the timeout...they're too open from the dribble drive.
drudy23
01-14-2015, 09:34 PM
THAT'S why JP needs to play more...been saying it for weeks.
Getting crushed but down only 6
waggy
01-14-2015, 09:36 PM
Nova over the back on Stain. Not called.
drudy23
01-14-2015, 09:36 PM
JP has best basketball IQ and best basketball savvy on this team. Didn't say he was best player, but you need players like that on the floor.
X Factor
01-14-2015, 09:37 PM
Hillard travelled. Missed call.
And travel before the kick out to the shooter. That's baskeball for you
Xville
01-14-2015, 09:38 PM
What the f is Abel doing defending that low in the post...I swear the basketball iq on this team is zero
X Factor
01-14-2015, 09:40 PM
Comedy of errors
RoseyMuskie
01-14-2015, 09:41 PM
Poor officiating. Travel on Hilliard..push on Stain, undercut JP. Wouldn't change outcome though.
Trevon appears to be rushing his shot. Not following through. Flicking the ball.
Comedy of errors
I don't find that I am amused.
SkyWalker
01-14-2015, 09:41 PM
Did Rafferty just say the cab driver is never in a hurry?
Love to see Stain working with his back to the basket.
xsteve1
01-14-2015, 09:42 PM
Embarrassing.
drudy23
01-14-2015, 09:42 PM
Out of our league.
DC Muskie
01-14-2015, 09:42 PM
Getting carved up by two former Xavier recruits. Shooting us out of the gym. Again.
bjf123
01-14-2015, 09:42 PM
This is fucking embarrassing.
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BMoreX
01-14-2015, 09:43 PM
Just shoot threes for the rest of the game.
Kahns Krazy
01-14-2015, 09:43 PM
Does Stain drive for Uber? I hadn't heard this.
waggy
01-14-2015, 09:43 PM
Maybe they shouldn't have redshirted #4. Whatever his name is.
Mel Cooley XU'81
01-14-2015, 09:43 PM
woof
Over and out.
X Factor
01-14-2015, 09:43 PM
Nova is going butt rape Xavier for the 3rd consecutive game.
Blue Blobs Bro
01-14-2015, 09:43 PM
Out of our league.
But I thought Villanova was in the big east, isn't that what league we're in?
Retire33
01-14-2015, 09:43 PM
I love people who expected a blowout are pissed they are getting blown out
drudy23
01-14-2015, 09:44 PM
For those of you that say "we'll never be _________", take a look at Villanova. They're just like us...and damn, they have much better players.
drudy23
01-14-2015, 09:45 PM
Did Bluiett get his girlfriend pregnant or something? What the hell happened to him?
X Factor
01-14-2015, 09:45 PM
That was really smooth Bluiett.
casualfan
01-14-2015, 09:45 PM
I feel bad for larry austin.
He's getting abused but it isn't his fault.
He has no business being out there. Not playing significant minutes for the first tme in awhile.
Xville
01-14-2015, 09:46 PM
Blueitt just made three boneheaded plays in about fifteen seconds...didn't think that was possible
XU 87
01-14-2015, 09:46 PM
At least Raferty knows what's wrong with the defense. Maybe we can hire him as an assistant, because I'm starting to think the staff doesn't know what's wrong. This can't just be a personnel issue.
mistabeecee41
01-14-2015, 09:46 PM
That was really smooth Bluiett.
But man did he look cool using 1 hand to try to grab that board instead of 2.
X Factor
01-14-2015, 09:46 PM
I say put Sumner and London in. What the heck.
Now seeing how this lineup has worked it looks a lot more like a 'might as well try this' move.
RoseyMuskie
01-14-2015, 09:47 PM
Remind me again why we play the pack line? The fact that EVERY team goes off on us from the three point line is not a coincidence..
bleedXblue
01-14-2015, 09:47 PM
Has Mack officially lost this team?
xsteve1
01-14-2015, 09:47 PM
Bluiett was good in November. I thought guys were supposed to get better.
XUFan09
01-14-2015, 09:48 PM
Now seeing how this lineup has worked it looks a lot more like a 'might as well try this' move.
I suspect it was based off who was working hardest in practice.
drudy23
01-14-2015, 09:48 PM
Wait....whoa whoa whoa...this is just a blip on the radar. We're good...just wait and see.
8-14.... Can they keep that up
waggy
01-14-2015, 09:49 PM
Reynolds looks good tonight.
drudy23
01-14-2015, 09:49 PM
I have no problem with shaking up the line to send a message...problem is, those new guys are supposed to provide a spark. Not so much.
danaandvictory
01-14-2015, 09:49 PM
Remind me again why we play the pack line? The fact that EVERY team goes off on us from the three point line is not a coincidence..
This is like the McDowell's version of the Pack Line. Pretty sure if Dick Bennett saw X play the "pack line" he'd sue us for defamation.
drudy23
01-14-2015, 09:50 PM
8-14.... Can they keep that up
Likely
SlimKibbles
01-14-2015, 09:50 PM
Has Mack officially lost this team?
NO
BandAid
01-14-2015, 09:50 PM
I feel bad for larry austin.
He's getting abused but it isn't his fault.
He has no business being out there. Not playing significant minutes for the first tme in awhile.
All things considered I think he's doing alright. The charge called on him on the first possession was weak, and he's been tentative on the offensive side ever since.
He certainly hasn't been put into a situation to succeed - first significant minutes coming on the road at Villanova
I suspect it was based off who was working hardest in practice.
We used to do that in CYO. They had to know Austin was gonna fall on his face.
drudy23
01-14-2015, 09:52 PM
Same out of bounds play lead to wide open 3 two times in a row.
xsteve1
01-14-2015, 09:52 PM
nova just wide open on 3's.
X Factor
01-14-2015, 09:52 PM
I've never seen guys just lose total sight of their guy on defense. Absolutely no awareness.
XUFan09
01-14-2015, 09:52 PM
We used to do that in CYO. They had to know Austin was gonna fall on his face.
You're overstating Austin's struggles. In general, though, this was always a low-probability game to win, so a good time to send a message about effort.
DC Muskie
01-14-2015, 09:53 PM
Former Xavier recruits 17
Xavier players 22
Ouch.
xsteve1
01-14-2015, 09:53 PM
f#ckin get a rebound.
8-14.... Can they keep that up
Doubt it, they'll probably heat back up>
drudy23
01-14-2015, 09:54 PM
fuckin get a rebound.
Especially when we have 4 guys around the rim to their 1
Xville
01-14-2015, 09:54 PM
Here's a thought Mack...someone gives up an open 3 whether nova makes it or not...pull that player..maybe that will send a message that that is not ok....oh and dee stop fucking shooting
You're overstating Austin's struggles. In general, though, this was always a low-probability game to win, so a good time to send a message about effort.
You're probably 100% right, especially about Austin's play, but I hate that attitude. I really hope Mack wasn't thinking that way.
drudy23
01-14-2015, 09:54 PM
Doubt it, they'll probably heat back up>
Ha...good one.
X Factor
01-14-2015, 09:55 PM
Tire fire.
Is there some way we can send smelling salt to MOR courtside?
danaandvictory
01-14-2015, 09:55 PM
To be this bad at defending the three-point arc in 2015, especially as a program that relies heavily on advanced metrics, is absolutely unbelievable.
xsteve1
01-14-2015, 09:55 PM
Just hope this doesn't kill X's spirit and lose at home on Saturday. That would be a death blow to lose to Maerquette.
X Factor
01-14-2015, 09:56 PM
Nova will 90 points. Easily.
DC Muskie
01-14-2015, 09:57 PM
Just fight guys. FIGHT.
XUFan09
01-14-2015, 09:57 PM
You're probably 100% right, especially about Austin's play, but I hate that attitude. I really hope Mack wasn't thinking that way.
Coaches are way too competitive to think purely that way, but there was also a lot of urgency to resolving the road effort issues. The need to fix that is more important than one game; it's like when coaches tinker with lineups at the risk of losing early games.
xsteve1
01-14-2015, 09:58 PM
Does Chris Holtmann have a brother.
XMuskieFTW
01-14-2015, 09:58 PM
Why do we keep playing Larry?
DC Muskie
01-14-2015, 09:59 PM
Uber chant is an insult?
None of those Nova dorks have jobs.
Alright well at least we know our student section is better than Novas. Sick "Uber" chant, probably really shook him.
xsteve1
01-14-2015, 09:59 PM
Is Mack trying to run Randolph off?
Xaveriana
01-14-2015, 10:00 PM
Has Mack officially lost this team?
Question is did he ever have it? Name a player that has gotten better over his college career under Mack.
- Consistent Official Mack Hater
Xville
01-14-2015, 10:00 PM
Can we keep this within thirty?
mistabeecee41
01-14-2015, 10:00 PM
So butler was demolishing us inside and mack doesn't play zone but tries it against a team that can't miss from outside.
chico
01-14-2015, 10:00 PM
If we can just cut it do single digits by halftime we may…ah, who am I kidding?
danaandvictory
01-14-2015, 10:00 PM
I am not calling it the pack line any more. Virginia and Arizona play the pack line.
Xavier's defensive scheme is hereby rechristened "the shitburger"
XU 87
01-14-2015, 10:01 PM
Coaches are way too competitive to think purely that way, but there was also a lot of urgency to resolving the road effort issues. The need to fix that is more important than one game; it's like when coaches tinker with lineups at the risk of losing early games.
To me this looks like a panic move.
But X just looks so overmatched.
Xville
01-14-2015, 10:01 PM
Question is did he ever have it? Name a player that has gotten better over his college career under Mack.
- Consistent Official Mack Hater
Travis taylor??
DC Muskie
01-14-2015, 10:01 PM
I am not calling it the pack line any more. Virginia and Arizona play the pack line.
Xavier's defensive scheme is hereby rechristened "the shitburger"
It's really just the Mackline defense. Which is terrible.
bleedXblue
01-14-2015, 10:01 PM
So butler was demolishing us inside and mack doesn't play zone but tries it against a team that can't miss from outside.
That's our boy!!!
XfansinKy
01-14-2015, 10:01 PM
Paging coach Posey.
BandAid
01-14-2015, 10:01 PM
Bluiett is playing like donkey balls
X Factor
01-14-2015, 10:01 PM
Bluiett is so slow
Question is did he ever have it? Name a player that has gotten better over his college career under Mack.
- Consistent Official Mack Hater
Travis Taylor
chico
01-14-2015, 10:01 PM
Hands Across America was better organized than our defense.
xsteve1
01-14-2015, 10:02 PM
The way Bluiett is playing I'd rather have JMart.
mistabeecee41
01-14-2015, 10:02 PM
Tre seems to be immune the the mack doghouse.
bjf123
01-14-2015, 10:02 PM
At this point, we need to shoot nothing but threes.
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X Factor
01-14-2015, 10:03 PM
20 more minutes? Really?
Xavier
01-14-2015, 10:04 PM
Paging coach Posey.
Lol. How many beers deep are you?
xsteve1
01-14-2015, 10:04 PM
10th place is not out of the question for this bunch.
D-West & PO-Z
01-14-2015, 10:04 PM
This. Is. Terrible.
In all honesty they are just wayyyy better than us. (Mr obvious I know).
Bluiett is giving us nothing. He is really struggling. Myles nothing.
How do we average 79 points a game???
Nova can really shoot. Ugh.
At this point, we need to shoot nothing but threes.
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We might need a briefing on which basket to shoot at. Not that it would matter...
BandAid
01-14-2015, 10:04 PM
Looks like Austin will be our starting pg next season. The dude might as well get some minutes now. That assist was nice
mohr5150
01-14-2015, 10:04 PM
99 points total in the last two halves. Unreal.
xsteve1
01-14-2015, 10:04 PM
Tre seems to be immune the the mack doghouse.
That was probably part of Mack's selling point to land him.
coasterville95
01-14-2015, 10:05 PM
Good News - Nova won't score any more points for the next 15 minutes!
bleedXblue
01-14-2015, 10:05 PM
Honest to god when Mack was asked on Monday night about Kaiser Gates ability to play D, he responded by saying he had no idea.
XfansinKy
01-14-2015, 10:06 PM
Name one single player he has recruited out of high school n made him an NBA player.
Xville
01-14-2015, 10:06 PM
Can't believe I'm staying up to watch this second half...I must love torturing myself
D-West & PO-Z
01-14-2015, 10:06 PM
Honest to god when Mack was asked on Monday night about Kaiser Gates ability to play D, he responded by saying he had no idea.
Well he was probably saying that bc it's a dumb question. I don't know the context but why would he answer questions about a recruits defense in the middle of a season????
bleedXblue
01-14-2015, 10:07 PM
10th place is not out of the question for this bunch.
I was thinking about the same thing.
Mack has no idea and his players are a direct reflection of that.
DC Muskie
01-14-2015, 10:07 PM
Sean Miller was 7-7 vs below RPI 50 road games.
Mack is 20 minutes away from 3-14.
Xaveriana
01-14-2015, 10:08 PM
I'm sure we will make halftime adjustments that will ensure a victory. In Mack we trust! WTF
Name one single player he has recruited out of high school n made him an NBA player.
Haha shut up.
crolfes12
01-14-2015, 10:08 PM
Semaj Christon
TBD:
Makinde London
Jalen Reynolds
Trevon Bluiett
X Factor
01-14-2015, 10:08 PM
I still can't bring myself to believe Mack is this bad of a coach. He's had success. I almost think it's the players who just aren't that good. They have zero awareness on defense, and are pretty slow. Our best lineup is Dee, Remy, Macura, Jalen, and Stain. Stick with those guys.
DC Muskie
01-14-2015, 10:08 PM
Honest to god when Mack was asked on Monday night about Kaiser Gates ability to play D, he responded by saying he had no idea.
Come on, how's he supposed to know that. Are we talking about high school kids? Kinda a stupid question if you ask me.
XUFan09
01-14-2015, 10:09 PM
To me this looks like a panic move.
But X just looks so overmatched.
That really depends on how it's being carried out, and we don't know behind the scenes. On the court, at least, it's not like changing the starting lineup is drastically altering minutes on the team (especially if you just treat Austin as replacing Randolph).
Xville
01-14-2015, 10:09 PM
Sean Miller was 7-7 vs below RPI 50 road games.
Mack is 20 minutes away from 3-14.
Soon to be 5-19 away from cintas over the last two seasons
Semaj Christon
TBD:
Makinde London
Jalen Reynolds
Trevon Bluiett
Add Justin Martin to that TBD list. Hey, you never know.
XUOWNSUC
01-14-2015, 10:10 PM
Honest to god when Mack was asked on Monday night about Kaiser Gates ability to play D, he responded by saying he had no idea.
Unbelievable. Mack sucks.
danaandvictory
01-14-2015, 10:10 PM
Add Justin Martin to that TBD list. Hey, you never know.
I hear Yerevan is nice this time of year.
Retire33
01-14-2015, 10:10 PM
Well at least Randolph was the main contributor in our lone road win this year
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