Will we win a Big East Road game this year?

[MuskiePimp23]

Last year, I proposed the question on if we would win a road game at all last year and got lambasted after we won our first rhody at Alabama. If we can't beat DePaul on the road, who the hell can we beat? So I ask the question again with our next 2 games on the road, will we win a conference road game all year? I think Butler is winnable, but this team hasn't shown the ability to beat a team of that caliber on the road. I think Villanova and Georgetown and probably St. John's (on quick turn around) you can probably forget about winning those games. We are staring at 11-6 pretty quickly from where I see things.

[XUFan09]

Yes.

[xu82]

And yes.

(Though I wish I knew the when and where.)

[gladdenguy]

I think this Saturday will be our 3rd best chance behind Marquette and Creighton.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Absolutely no doubt in my mind.

[XUFan09]

I think this Saturday will be our 3rd best chance behind Marquette and Creighton.

I agree with that. I said in another thread that Butler's defense moves them up into a similar level with a bunch of other teams, but the matchups work very much in Xavier's favor, putting the game on an in-between level in terms of win probability (between Marquette/Creighton and St. John's/Seton Hall/Providence/Georgetown).

[LA Muskie]

I feel good about Saturday's game. Not sure why, I just do. I also think we take Marquette and Creighton on their home turf. Call me an idiot, but I can see us winning as many as 4 conference road games. Which would be great, because I'm not as confident as many that we will run the table at home.

[XU2011]

Absolutely no doubt in my mind.

Now that's the spirit!

[Xavier_Musketeers]

Our last four away games are @Marquette, @UC, @St. John's, and @Creighton. I think we have a chance to win all four of them. St. John's has been struggling lately

[D-West & PO-Z]

I feel good about Saturday's game. Not sure why, I just do. I also think we take Marquette and Creighton on their home turf. Call me an idiot, but I can see us winning as many as 4 conference road games. Which would be great, because I'm not as confident as many that we will run the table at home.

Yeah same feeling here.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Now that's the spirit!

And your stance is.....??

I mean besides that our season is over and we are on the bubble for NIT.

[xu82]

And your stance is.....??

I mean besides that our season is over and we are on the bubble for NIT.

That sounds decidedly unspirited...

[vee4xu]

Assuming that going 1-1 the next two games is possible, I may actually rather lose to Butler on Saturday, then beat Villanova at their place. I feel confident that X will beat Butler in Cincinnati, so that's a wash. A road win at Villanova is a huge RPI boost, even if X ends up losing to Villanova at Cintas.

[joe titan]

That sounds decidedly unspirited...
Sorry DWPZ but WKRQ will always tell us that sarcasm rarely translates in writing especially on a message board (though I thought yours was blatantly obvious)

Vut '2011 has a valid point and XU will surely need to win several roadies in conference and it is not easy to locate such wins with the DePaul loss fresh in mind.

[MuskiePimp23]

Assuming that going 1-1 the next two games is possible, I may actually rather lose to Butler on Saturday, then beat Villanova at their place. I feel confident that X will beat Butler in Cincinnati, so that's a wash. A road win at Villanova is a huge RPI boost, even if X ends up losing to Villanova at Cintas.

If we win at Villanova, I will jump into the Ohio River and swim to the other side in these temps...Not going to happen.

[paulxu]

If we win at Villanova, I will jump into the Ohio River and swim to the other side in these temps...Not going to happen.

I better preserve this quote before it's deleted.

[Fireball]

And this thread is as dumb as the "Will we win a road game?" thread from last year. Of course we'll win a Big East road game...I'd expect that we'll win several. This team is too good not to put things together on the road.

[bleedXblue]

If we win at Villanova, I will jump into the Ohio River and swim to the other side in these temps...Not going to happen.

I did that once in the middle of summer when I was 17 years old. Current took me 2 miles down river by the time I swam over and back. Of course some alcohol and a bet were involved. Not a good idea.

[X-band '01]

Anyone willing to brave their way through raw sewage originating in Pittsburgh has my sympathy.

[XMuskieFTW]

We will win 4 BE road games. Chalk it up!

[bleedXblue]

Anyone willing to brave their way through raw sewage originating in Pittsburgh has my sympathy.

People boat, ski, swim, fish in that river regularly. They "say" it's totally safe. I'm not buying it.

[bleedXblue]

We will win 4 BE road games. Chalk it up!

I'll take the under and go with 3.

[muskienick]

I believe that we will not only win a road game from here on out in 2015, but we will win at least one where we are a decided underdog going in (i.e. greater than +4).

[sgarcia]

We'll win a conference road game. We always do. I think several of the games will be close and we'll find a way to win a couple of them.

[Kahns Krazy]

Couldn't we just post a link to last year's idiotic thread and save some trouble?


1-9 on the road probably means below .500 record and obviously not even making the NCAA's, or even the NIT. Not to mention our record conference streak of being at least .500 or above in conference play will be broken. This team is in line to hit new lows that Xavier basketball has not experienced in almost 30 years.

[XUFan09]

I'll take the under and go with 3.

That's my thought.

[Kahns Krazy]

can one of you guys with a little time on your hand put together the average road record in Big East play? It would be interesting to know what the overall home court advantage is before we beat our team up.

[toledodan]

i'm not sure how many or which ones but we will win some. we have lost 4 games be a total of 11 points. i think sometimes we forget this is a work in progress. if we can't win some road games we weren't going to do anything anyways. have faith my friends.

[XUFan09]

can one of you guys with a little time on your hand put together the average road record in Big East play? It would be interesting to know what the overall home court advantage is before we beat our team up.
On the D&V podcast Rick and Dan recorded last night, they said the home team has won 11 out of 15 games so far.

[sgarcia]

Last year road teams in the BE were 35-55 in conference play for a 39% winning percentage.

[XUOHTX]

When is the last time, if ever, we lost every conference road game?

[bleedXblue]

[QUOTE=sgarcia;476701]Last year road teams in the BE were 35-55 in conference play for a 39% winning percentage.[/QUOT

Much higher than I thought.

[sgarcia]

[QUOTE=sgarcia;476701]Last year road teams in the BE were 35-55 in conference play for a 39% winning percentage.[/QUOT

Much higher than I thought.

'Nova, Creighton and Providence accounted for 1/2 of those wins and every team won at least 1 road game last year.

[MuskiePimp23]

Couldn't we just post a link to last year's idiotic thread and save some trouble?

You make plenty of idiotic posts attacking me on here...Let's see us win some road games. Save this one for the end of the season. There is no way in hell we win 4 BE road games...Not a chance.

[nasdadjr]

I'll take the under

[Xville]

We may win one..maybe. it's time to start looking at other coaching options. I don't have trust in mack any longee..seems like a great guy and if all of our games were at home he would be a hall of.famer, but they aren't and he's not

[XU2011]

I guess we can maybe hope/pray for a win at Creighton the last game of the year??? Although Seton Hall only won in Omaha by 1

[SkyWalker]

We may lose more road games then we play.

[bjf123]

At this moment, I have little faith that we will be able to win a road game.


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[Xavier_Musketeers]

We have 8 more road games left this year including UC. If we can go 4-4 and win most games at home, I'll think we'll be alright

[vee4xu]

Certainly not any in which we give up around 50 pts in the second half.

[bjf123]

We have 8 more road games left this year including UC. If we can go 4-4 and win most games at home, I'll think we'll be alright

Going 4-4 is a mighty big IF. Can we do it? Absolutely! We will? I hope so, but doubt it.


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[XUFan09]

4-4 would be great and we'd be more than alright.

[MuskiePimp23]

Certainly not any in which we give up around 50 pts in the second half.

This team is not clicking offensively even close to what they were earlier in the season and the defense is beyond atrocious. If you think this team will go 4-4 (which would be wonderful by the way) in the remaining 8 road games on the year, I've got some choice land to sell you in Florida. Again, not going to happen. This team absolutely sucks on the road and are world beaters at home. Wait until we slip up at home, then our tournament chances go out the window.

[LA Muskie]

I don't see us winning 4 road games if one of them isn't DePaul or Butler. Frankly I think 4 was a stretch (albeit possible) even with a win today. Now I think we'll be lucky to get 3, and more realistically 2 (or quite possibly just 1). I still don't see us getting shut out on the road, but our realistic opportunities to pick up a few road wins are decreasing by the day.

[vee4xu]

What I do know is, if Xavier somehow doesn't win a road game they sure as heck better run the table at home or that conference record will not look good at all.

[gladdenguy]

We have 8 more road games left this year including UC. If we can go 4-4 and win most games at home, I'll think we'll be alright

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Win 4 road games?????????????????? Not a chance. Have you watched this team play defense on the road?
86 to Butler......89 to Auburn....Butler's highest output of the year and Auburn scored 35 against Tulsa. The defense on the road is putrid and Mack can't do anything about it.

[danaandvictory]

They won three conference games on the road last year and have already been beaten in two of those venues.

Even if they win out at home they need at absolute minimum two road wins. And even then if I was on the committee I'd be pretty unimpressed.

[XUFan09]

They won three conference games on the road last year and have already been beaten in two of those venues.

Even if they win out at home they need at absolute minimum two road wins. And even then if I was on the committee I'd be pretty unimpressed.
I echo this post.

[waggy]

Well maybe the rest of the Big East will get arm tired from pummeling X.

X should play dead.

If they aren't already.

Sneaking up...

[vee4xu]

Wouldn't a great start be upsetting Villanova next week? However, that's a pipe dream. God only knows what that final score will look like if X plays its typical road game. I worry at Villanova that X plays the first half the way they've been playing the second half of road games, then playing their typical second half of road games. If so, Villanova could hang a hundo on X. When's the last time a team scored 100 points versus X?

[xu82]

We will win several first halfs. Beyond that, no idea...

[Xavier_Musketeers]

That DePaul lost killed us, it was embarrassing too. Nova killed them earlier today.

[mid major]

This team has no urgency. Dee should play like a senior. He seems to play like he's in a summer league. Mack gets too much grief when we lose and too much credit when we win. Stop the bleeding, please. We've gone 30 plus years w/o having a losing record in conference. That's in serious jeopardy. I wish I were drunk.

[Xavier]

In the prediction thread I didn't think they would beat Butler. I think (hope) after the loss the sense of urgency is there and the Nova game will come down to the wire.

[drudy23]

We all know we aint winning at Nova...there's faith, and then there's delusion.

[XU2011]

LOL

What a joke this program has become

[X-man]

Why lookee here. Troll XU2011 is back with us again.

[Xcited]

LOL

What a joke this program has become

I think it's a certain segment of the fan base that has become the joke around here. Everybody can agree that X has a problem when they play on the road and defensive intensity is at the top of that list. Some believe it's strictly a coaching issue and that may be partially true but it has to go deeper than that. This team has shown an ability to play great defense at home (e.g., Georgetown and Seton Hall) so it's not necessarily an X's and O's issue but more of mentality and focus problem. The coach can impact that to some degree but the players have to take primary responsibility. I for one, as well as many others on this board, have great faith in Coach Mack. I think he'll be at X for as long as he wants to be. I still hold out great hope for this year and honestly believe X will finish at least third in the conference. There are still a lot of games to be played. It bothers me to read all the consistent negative posts by certain people but I guess that's what message boards are all about. Posters have a right say whatever they want, even when it doesn't make much sense to anyone else. I think I'm going to follow the advice of several other posters and just use the block option on certain posters. It will definitely make the season more enjoyable for me. Go X!

[Lamont Sanford]

This team has no urgency. Dee should play like a senior. He seems to play like he's in a summer league. Mack gets too much grief when we lose and too much credit when we win. Stop the bleeding, please. We've gone 30 plus years w/o having a losing record in conference. That's in serious jeopardy.

What he said.

This team simply doesn't have the toughness it takes to win on the road. Gotta put in 40 solid minutes and only seems willing to put in 25-30 so far.

[casualfan]

4 of our next 6 are on the road so if it is going to happen I hope it happens soon.

We get Depaul and Marquette at home during that stretch so we should take care of them, but all of the road contests will be tough starting with 'Nova Wednesday.

Providence, Georgetown, and Seton Hall are the other three. I don't expect us to be favored in any of those games.

We get a nice reprieve after this stretch with 3 of 4 at home, but my concern would be guys being let down depending on how this next stretch goes. If form holds and we're coming home 13-9 I could see guys letting one slip at home.

[sgarcia]

LOL

What a joke this program has become

By no means is our program a joke. We've gone from the MCC to the A-10 to the Big East. "Joke" programs don't make these strides. A program that's a "joke" doesn't repeatedly beat top 25 teams at home and make the NCAA tournament most years either. Yes we suck on the road and I'm sure we all agree on that. It doesn't help that we have 1 above average on ball defender on this team. I have no answer of how to fix it. Maybe it's unfixable this year. Maybe Remy shouldn't guard their best player, let him torch us and try to lock down everyone else. I'm upset at Mack and our lack of defense as much as the next guy but he's not on the hot seat and I don't think it's even getting warm at this point which I'm not upset about. This his who we are in 2014-2015 so either cheer for us for the rest of the season or don't.

[drudy23]

By no means is our program a joke. We've gone from the MCC to the A-10 to the Big East. "Joke" programs don't make these strides. A program that's a "joke" doesn't repeatedly beat top 25 teams at home and make the NCAA tournament most years either. Yes we suck on the road and I'm sure we all agree on that. It doesn't help that we have 1 above average on ball defender on this team. I have no answer of how to fix it. Maybe it's unfixable this year. Maybe Remy shouldn't guard their best player, let him torch us and try to lock down everyone else. I'm upset at Mack and our lack of defense as much as the next guy but he's not on the hot seat and I don't think it's even getting warm at this point which I'm not upset about. This his who we are in 2014-2015 so either cheer for us for the rest of the season or don't.

And you took the bait.

[sgarcia]

Wouldn't a great start be upsetting Villanova next week? However, that's a pipe dream. God only knows what that final score will look like if X plays its typical road game. I worry at Villanova that X plays the first half the way they've been playing the second half of road games, then playing their typical second half of road games. If so, Villanova could hang a hundo on X. When's the last time a team scored 100 points versus X?

Vee,
Please pray for all of us that will be there on Wednesday night. Since they don't serve beer in the Pavilion I don't know what I'll do if the game starts to get out of hand.

[sgarcia]

And you took the bait.

It is what it is. Everyone has a right to their opinion.

[XUOHTX]

When is the last time, if ever, we lost every conference road game?

Seriously, can anyone answer this?

[GoMuskies]

Seriously, can anyone answer this?

It has to be 1980 or earlier.

[muskiefan82]

1981-82. 1-11 in the MCC. 0-6 on the road.

We all know how things have gone since the 82-83 season.

The one win was at home against, ironically, Butler. X did also beat UC that year which, back then, made the whole season.

[GoMuskies]

It has to be 1980 or earlier.

Clearly I meant 1982 or earlier.

[XUOHTX]

1981-82. 1-11 in the MCC. 0-6 on the road.

We all know how things have gone since the 82-83 season.

The one win was at home against, ironically, Butler. X did also beat UC that year which, back then, made the whole season.

Thank you for finding this.

Honestly, with the talent we have, I just can't see a scenario where we don't "accidentally" steal at least one away game. Now, would I bet on us to win on the road, no. But it will happen at least once this year.

[Muskie]

As I look at the Big East Standings today, I note that Villanova has a winning record and Butler and St. John's are .500 on the road in conference. All of the other teams have a losing record so far in the conference season.

[vee4xu]

Miami, FL. 90
Duke 74

Duke gave up 56 points in the second half at home. So, if misery is looking for company, there this.

[vee4xu]

Seton Hall beats Creighton on the road, then loses in OT to Butler at home. I'm starting to learn that in the BE teams better bring their A game every night, home or away. That really goes for X tonight.

[X-band '01]

Even DePaul finally went down at home to Georgetown, but not without a fight.

Now Seton Hall is in the same boat as Xavier to a lesser extent - they need roadkill to make up for their home loss against Butler. Didn't Butler also sweep the Pirates last year when they were utter dogschidt?

[paulxu]

Meh. Probably.

[Kahns Krazy]

Last year, I proposed the question on if we would win a road game at all last year and got lambasted after we won our first rhody at Alabama. If we can't beat DePaul on the road, who the hell can we beat? So I ask the question again with our next 2 games on the road, will we win a conference road game all year? I think Butler is winnable, but this team hasn't shown the ability to beat a team of that caliber on the road. I think Villanova and Georgetown and probably St. John's (on quick turn around) you can probably forget about winning those games. We are staring at 11-6 pretty quickly from where I see things.

I look forward to your moronic post next year too.

[XUFan09]

Yes.

Predicting a single conference road win was easy. Now let's hope they can get at least three total (2 of the last four).

[D-West & PO-Z]

Xavier is now 4-6 on the road, 2 BE, 2 OOC. Not terrible. Looks a little worse when you add 1-2 neutral for a 5-8 record away from Cintas. Again though that win @UC was huge.

[DC Muskie]

Xavier is now 4-6 on the road, 2 BE, 2 OOC. Not terrible. Looks a little worse when you add 1-2 neutral for a 5-8 record away from Cintas. Again though that win @UC was huge.

I'm sorry our road record in conference is terrible. It is single handily keeping us out of contending for a bye in the conference tournament.

Look at GTown and Providence.

Providence has two conference home losses. They have won road games at:
GTown
DePaul
Butler
Creighton

They are staring at 5-4 on the road (assuming a road loss to Nova) They will survive their two home losses because of their potential above .500 road record.

GTown has also lost two home games. They have won road games at:
DePaul
Marquette
Creighton
Seton Hall

They two are staring at a 5-4 road finish. The difference with them and the Friars is their final two road games are a bit tougher. If they split, they too finish above .500.

I say this because our road record right now is 2-5. At best we finish 4-5. And that's why we are fighting for 5th place instead of being up there for third or second. And it's all because of our terrible conference road record with losses at:

DePaul
Providence
Seton Hall
Villanova
Butler

That makes our two home losses to Creighton and St. Johns that much tougher, because we finish the season on the road against the two teams that beat us at home. So we are staring at a potential 2-7 road record. And that's terrible.

[XMuskieFTW]

I said 4 road wins in conference and I'm sticking to it.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Yeah I think if we lose @St. Johns and @Creighton that is terrible conference road record but if we win both of those to get to 4 conference road wins and go 4-5 that is not terrible. 2-7 is terrible, 3-6 is not good.

[DC Muskie]

I said 4 road wins in conference and I'm sticking to it.

It would be a nice miracle at this point. Saturday's game is huge for both teams.

[DC Muskie]

Yeah I think if we lose @St. Johns and @Creighton that is terrible conference road record but if we win both of those to get to 4 conference road wins and go 4-5 that is not terrible. 2-7 is terrible, 3-6 is not good.

Yeah, but like I said earlier those two games we are facing an uphill battle since we have lost to both at home.

Hence, 2 wins on the road entering the final week of Febraury is terrible.

[DC Muskie]

Man our final four games are brutal.

Home games against the two tops teams.

Road games against the team directly behind us in the standings and beat us at home. Also we travel to SJU on Sunday after battling Butler. We then play Creighton at the end of the season staring at a potential 1-3 finish.

Please let me be wrong.

[DC Muskie]

Also I know I said this before....

But to me there is a direct collation to how you perform at home to how you perform on the road. Any huge variance on that, and it only highlights how bad you are.

Case in point...we have two losses at home. Normally two losses at home would be fine...great even. That should mean you have lost maybe four games on the road. Now six losses prevents you from winning the conference, but you are in the discussion for a top seed and comfortably in the dance.

Look at it this way. If you are bad at home, you are most likely bad on the road. If you are undefeated at home, that should mean you are a good road team because you are preventing other good teams from winning on your floor.

But when you are undefeated at home, and lose 5 games on the road, that variable is out of whack in my opinion and only highlights how terrible you are on the road...hence the 2015 BE record.

[xu82]

Man our final four games are brutal.

Home games against the two tops teams.

Road games against the team directly behind us in the standings and beat us at home. Also we travel to SJU on Sunday after battling Butler. We then play Creighton at the end of the season staring at a potential 1-3 finish.

Please let me be wrong.

Don't worry, you can be wrong. It happens all the time, and it won't affect your Award Winning Poster status.