Georgetown Refs

[nuts4xu]

I enjoy giving the refs a hard time at our games. I think basically, they all suck...and I feel the least I can do is let them know about it. You will not hear me blame any of our losses on a ref's call, too many things happen in a game to ever blame officiating for the outcome. So when I verbalize my displeasure of an official's performance, I do it mostly for my amusement.

In 30 years of yelling at ref's at Xavier basketball games, last night was a first. I've never seen a ref actually respond and talk back to his hecklers. The bald ref that T'd up Reynolds was talking with fans during a number of time outs. While I see this as unprofessional, and believe this ref sucked royal donkey balls, it was kinda funny to insult and heckle the guy and have him wish me "happy new year".

I never thought I'd ever witness an official engage in discussion with the fans in the middle of the game, and I wonder if it's something normal for this clown.

Did anyone else see this taking place?

[Muskie]

What did Jalen get a tech for? I couldn't tell. Mack mentioned that he needed to keep his emotions in check on the radio program.

[muskiefan82]

Jalen made a layup, got fouled, then stood over the Georgetown player on the ground and flexed.

[paulxu]

After making a lay up off a turnover, drawing a foul, his defender fell to the ground.
He stood over the guy for maybe 2 seconds.
It seemed like he sort of glowered at the guy, couldn't actually tell if he said anything...didn't look like it.
As he turned back towards the bench he got the T.
My impression was that it was for something like "taunting" although I don't know if that is an official thing to be called for, like in the NFL.

Edit. Sorry I was late typing all that crap above. Is "flexing" a foul now?

[kyxu]

Saying he "stood over" the defender is generous. He was still a good 10 feet away from the guy who was laying on the ground out of bounds while Jalen was still standing in the paint during a dead ball.

Jalen just stared at the defender, mean-mugging, but I didn't see him flex. Either way, super weak technical. As danaandvictory said on twitter, whenever you do something good in sports, you have to look out for the Feelings Police.

[DC Muskie]

It was a BS tech. But overall these refs are better than the ones we had in the A-10.

[waggy]

Does flexing make you better at basketball? Helsinki Syndrome?


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[SpectorJersey]

I enjoy giving the refs a hard time at our games. I think basically, they all suck...and I feel the least I can do is let them know about it. You will not hear me blame any of our losses on a ref's call, too many things happen in a game to ever blame officiating for the outcome. So when I verbalize my displeasure of an official's performance, I do it mostly for my amusement.

In 30 years of yelling at ref's at Xavier basketball games, last night was a first. I've never seen a ref actually respond and talk back to his hecklers. The bald ref that T'd up Reynolds was talking with fans during a number of time outs. While I see this as unprofessional, and believe this ref sucked royal donkey balls, it was kinda funny to insult and heckle the guy and have him wish me "happy new year".

I never thought I'd ever witness an official engage in discussion with the fans in the middle of the game, and I wonder if it's something normal for this clown.

Did anyone else see this taking place?

I did see that. Was he talking to you nuts?

[XU Cowbell Kid]

I never thought I'd ever witness an official engage in discussion with the fans in the middle of the game, and I wonder if it's something normal for this clown.



When I was a student I would routinely yell at refs every chance I got, but was always polite about it. I think that made refs more likely to listen and I had a few actually turn and talk to me.

In one game, I was complaining about a ticky tack foul that was called against Xavier and the ref turned to me and said "Look at the foul count for both teams - we are calling it evenly!" I found it disturbing that officials pay attention to that type of thing. Furthermore, we were playing a team that was almost a D2 team and we were in the top 25 at the time. I think in games like that, it would be understandable if the other team was committing more fouls than Xavier.

Another time the ref turned and looked at me angrily and said "WHAT DID YOU SAY?" so I repeated myself word for word. He then threatened to kick me out of the game.

Those were the only two experiences that weren't positive. Most of the refs that did talk to me were very nice and pleasant, even if their calls were horrible. :wink:

[smileyy]

I can understand the motivation to keep players from directly intimidating or showing up other individual players outside of the flow of play.

A technical earlier in the Crosstown Shootout a few years ago probably stops some bad things from happening.

[smileyy]

In one game, I was complaining about a ticky tack foul that was called against Xavier and the ref turned to me and said "Look at the foul count for both teams - we are calling it evenly!"

I know its a skill that one gets a lot better at with a lot of practice, but I really can't imagine how hard it is to officiate a game, given how quick the action is. I expect its a lot of anticipation of making a call, which is going to lead to calls that look bad on replay. I can understand the "We're going to miss calls, but we'll try to do it as evenly as we can" motivation.

[Masterofreality]

Saying he "stood over" the defender is generous. He was still a good 10 feet away from the guy who was laying on the ground out of bounds while Jalen was still standing in the paint during a dead ball.

Jalen just stared at the defender, mean-mugging, but I didn't see him flex. Either way, super weak technical. As danaandvictory said on twitter, whenever you do something good in sports, you have to look out for the Feelings Police.

Well, he did "flex" and I didn't like it. He deserved a tech. It reminded me of assclown Kenyon Martin's "flex" in the 1999 Xavier/Borecats game. I didn't like that either, but no ref gave Martin a tech.

Quite frankly, let your buckets do the talking and stop the histrionics.

[chico]

It looked to me like he flexed and let out a yell while standing over the defender. Given how tight the refs were calling the game - especially in the second half - the T was in line. Mack is right - Reynolds needs to keep his head.

[smileyy]

Sounded like there was a lot of chippiness in the game, and I'm glad the refs kept it in check. I'm glad Reynolds was able to answer the T by hitting his free throw and a couple others in the game.

The scoreboard was doing all the talking that Xavier might have felt the need to. But I'm not going to bag on Reynolds. If you want to eat a T to make a statement that you won't be intimidated, its good to do early in the season with a game (somewhat) well in hand. Now if they basket had gotten wiped out, and Gtown got 2 shots and the ball, that might be different.

[paulxu]

Quite frankly, let your buckets do the talking and stop the histrionics.

Paging Cam Newton and JFF.

[kyxu]

Quite frankly, let your buckets do the talking...

Well, he certainly did that, but I don't understand what the Tech is supposed to prevent. Not sure if hurt feelings can cause long-term injury; hope someone checked on that Georgetown player afterwards. And sorry to hear it upset you.

[Masterofreality]

Well, he certainly did that, but I don't understand what the Tech is supposed to prevent. Not sure if hurt feelings can cause long-term injury; hope someone checked on that Georgetown player afterwards. And sorry to hear it upset you.

Ever hear the word "Sportsmanship" ? By the way, Xavier's head coach was not happy with his player after that either.

Play hard, but enough with the posturing. Makes you look too much like a Thuggins coached guy.

[Masterofreality]

Paging Cam Newton and JFF.

Well, JFF for sure, but he can do his histrionics in "da club" and forget football.

[XfansinKy]

Ever hear the word "Sportsmanship" ? By the way, Xavier's head coach was not happy with his player after that either.

Play hard, but enough with the posturing. Makes you look too much like a Thuggins coached guy.
Just make the free throws and dunk on him the next time.

[bleedXblue]

I thought the T was petty. I think that players should be allowed to show some emotion on the court. I didn't think he was necessarily taunting the Gtown player.

[smileyy]

I don't understand what the Tech is supposed to prevent.

Punches.

[smileyy]

I thought the T was petty. I think that players should be allowed to show some emotion on the court. I didn't think he was necessarily taunting the Gtown player.

You can show emotion, but not at the opposing team's players.

[Pluto]

If he would have turned to Myles at the free throw line and did it there would have been no T. He might have been just mugging for the fans/camera but the player he just scored on was there so it gets the T.

[nuts4xu]

I did see that. Was he talking to you nuts?

Yes, but he was engaged in conversations with a number of other fans in different sections.

[xu82]

They were far from perfect, and chatting with fans is odd, but I genarally like the refs in games we win by 17 or more.

[MADXSTER]

Watching the NBA highlights after the Xavier game, an NBA player was T'd up for staring down the opposing teams bench after a dunk. So it happens.

[Olsingledigit]

Many years ago I was lit up at a Pacer game in Indy and was on the ref mercilessly. He had finally had enough and looked up at me and gave me the finger.

[xu82]

Many years ago I was lit up at a Pacer game in Indy and was on the ref mercilessly. He had finally had enough and looked up at me and gave me the finger.

You're number one?

That's pretty amazing actually. They benefit from acting like they are deaf. React and it just gets worse.

[kyxu]

Ever hear the word "Sportsmanship" ? By the way, Xavier's head coach was not happy with his player after that either.

Play hard, but enough with the posturing. Makes you look too much like a Thuggins coached guy.

Did it upset you when Xavier refused to shake Dayton's hand before a game? Lack of "sportsmanship" was the criticism there. Were we behaving too much like those UC teams, or even Huggins in particular?

[bleedXblue]

Did it upset you when Xavier refused to shake Dayton's hand before a game? Lack of "sportsmanship" was the criticism there. Were we behaving too much like those UC teams, or even Huggins in particular?

Wasn't there a water fountain incident that could have been deemed a, "lack of sportsmanship"?

[MADXSTER]

Read where a H.S. coached argued when his player got his 5th foul and the coach was given 3 separate tech fouls, 1 from each ref, and the opposing team got to shoot 8 free throws.

[X-band '01]

Add a taunting foul by Alabama in the Sugar Bowl. Momentum quietly shifted to Ohio State on their ensuing drive.

[Masterofreality]

Did it upset you when Xavier refused to shake Dayton's hand before a game? Lack of "sportsmanship" was the criticism there. Were we behaving too much like those UC teams, or even Huggins in particular?

Yes (although "upset" is an incorrect word), yes, and yes. Is that consistent enough for you?

Let your play do the talking without extra curriculars.

[Xavier]

I think it's embarrassing to yell profanities at a ref. I understand a "boo" but constantly yelling at the ref is just ridiculous and you look like a clown.

[Kahns Krazy]

From the perch high atop the Cintas, we yell at the refs with impunity. Years back when we went to Puerto Rico, Snipe scored some front row seats in that rinky dink arena where the seats were about 4 feet off the court. After a call we disagreed with, we were sharing our constructive criticism out loud. The ref ran by no more than a few feet away and just said to us quietly, "That was not a foul" as he jogged by.

It's funny when the ref breaks the imaginary one-way barrier.

[ammtd34]

Bogus tech. He posed for a second after an and-1.

For the sake of disclosure, I enjoyed when Mark Lyons walked around the court flexing vs. Dayton in the A-10 tournament, too.

[kyxu]

Yes (although "upset" is an incorrect word), yes, and yes. Is that consistent enough for you?

Let your play do the talking without extra curriculars.

Fair enough. Let the record reflect that Masterofreality disapproves of unsportmanslike activity of any kind, even when exhibited by Xavier and regardless of whether sanctioned by its head coach.

Bottom line, I thought it was a weak technical, and I guarantee later this season when Remy gets flexed over or stared down by some fatty from Marquette or Georgetown after a dunk, no technical will be called. Hell, Bowers from Auburn could've whipped out and spun around his phallus after his many lay-ups against Xavier, and would never be penalized.

The idea of the tech on Reynolds is so grade school; it's such a complete judgment call and completely arbitrary to the official reffing the game. I'm glad it occurred at a time when we were pulling away in the game with Georgetown essentially bested.

[drudy23]

Most calls refs make are judgment calls...I think that's the point. This ref called it...another may not have.

[kyxu]

Most calls refs make are judgment calls...I think that's the point. This ref called it...another may not have.

I'm "eager" to see 1) if Xavier ever gets flexed on similarly this season and 2) if it is called.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Fair enough. Let the record reflect that Masterofreality disapproves of unsportmanslike activity of any kind, even when exhibited by Xavier and regardless of whether sanctioned by its head coach.

Bottom line, I thought it was a weak technical, and I guarantee later this season when Remy gets flexed over or stared down by some fatty from Marquette or Georgetown after a dunk, no technical will be called. Hell, Bowers from Auburn could've whipped out and spun around his phallus after his many lay-ups against Xavier, and would never be penalized.

The idea of the tech on Reynolds is so grade school; it's such a complete judgment call and completely arbitrary to the official reffing the game. I'm glad it occurred at a time when we were pulling away in the game with Georgetown essentially bested.

Yeah I totally agree. When he got it I assumed he said something then on replay when I saw he did not, I was shocked he got the technical called on him. And he was in no way standing over the player on the ground, he was several feet back.

[LA Muskie]

I agree it's on the weak end of T calls. But it was far from rare. I've seen this called many times, by many refs, against many players, on many teams. I don't think there's much to complain about here.

[waggy]

If you want to see guys flexing go to a body building competition.

Dumb.

[xuwin]

If you want to see guys flexing go to a body building competition.

Dumb.

I agree. Call attention to yourself with your performance, not with childish extracurricular actions.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I have ZERO problem with what Reynolds did. He was celebrating a big dunk, players do it all the time, I've seen a T for what he did before I guess but I have seen what he did not T'ed up more than it is. I would have had a problem if he stood right over the guy screaming staring down at him. He didnt even come close to that.

[ammtd34]

Markel Brown was ejected a few years ago for something similar. He should have been given 5 seconds to do anything he wanted after this dunk.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h4u7wGM630

[D-West & PO-Z]

Markel Brown was ejected a few years ago for something similar. He should have been given 5 seconds to do anything he wanted after this dunk.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h4u7wGM630

He wasnt ejected for what he did, he was given a technical and had already received one earlier in the game. Also I wish that clip lasted about 5 more sec at the end because I bet he said something to the player. The ref called that so quick, I doubt it was just from the stare we see.

[D-West & PO-Z]

That was a great dunk though.

[XU 87]

I was at the game and saw the ref going back and forth with what looked like a father and his son team who were sitting in the corner of the end zone. All I can say is that it was disgraceful. this ref was trying his best and didn't need these two hooligans yelling at him all game. And then the ref was nice enough to wish them "Happy New Year", and they still kept yelling at him. I had visions of the father-son team that beat up the first base coach at the White Sox game a few years ago.

The worst part? I spoke to said father and son at halftime about discussing this issue with me after the game at one of Mt. Washington's finest establishments, but they didn't show. Sissies.

[drudy23]

I'm "eager" to see 1) if Xavier ever gets flexed on similarly this season and 2) if it is called.

The world isn't out to get Xavier.

[ammtd34]

He wasnt ejected for what he did, he was given a technical and had already received one earlier in the game. Also I wish that clip lasted about 5 more sec at the end because I bet he said something to the player. The ref called that so quick, I doubt it was just from the stare we see.

Right, I should have worded it differently. It was his second technical. There is another video that goes longer that I don't want to find right now. He doesn't say anything.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Right, I should have worded it differently. It was his second technical. There is another video that goes longer that I don't want to find right now. He doesn't say anything.

Interesting. Wonder what he previous tech was for. Could have affected why he was called for that one. Because from what that video showed I think that tech was even worse that the one Jalen got.

[Xavier]

The world isn't out to get Xavier.

Just don't tell MOR that.

[Smails]

I remember a few years ago when some string bean (benson?) from Dayton flexed after a dunk on Xavier. it was hilarious as there was literally no change in his arms when he flexed.

Just thought I would throw that our there

[paulxu]

Is what this guy does after the dunk posterizing or flexing? I'm confused.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3uorwKh_qw

[Kahns Krazy]

He should have been T'd, IMO. When he strikes the pose standing over the defender, it's intentional and unsportsmanlike.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Is what this guy does after the dunk posterizing or flexing? I'm confused.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3uorwKh_qw

This guy stands directly over the player on the ground (actually takes a step forward to be directily over him) and poses looking down. That I think should have gotten a T, especially if what Jalen did gets one. I guess it really all depends on which refs want to call something like that and which dont.

[paulxu]

He should have been T'd, IMO. When he strikes the pose standing over the defender, it's intentional and unsportsmanlike.


This guy stands directly over the player on the ground (actually takes a step forward to be directily over him) and poses looking down. That I think should have gotten a T, especially if what Jalen did gets one. I guess it really all depends on which refs want to call something like that and which dont.

If taunting gets a T, I would agree 100% that would be a clear case of it. Couldn't tell from the video if he got one. Didn't seem so.