Airing of Grievances

[94GRAD]

Fans saying we won't make the tourney before conference play even starts. #XBasketballGrievances

[Cheesehead]

It is comical. I guess all the "know it alls" also have the cure for cancer.

Please PM me with the winning lottery numbers too. Thanks!

[paulxu]

Fans saying we won't make the tourney before conference play even starts. #XBasketballGrievances

What the hell will we do when they say the same thing in February?

http://www.xavierhoops.com/showthread.php?27353-Projected-Final-Regular-Season-Record-18-13

[94GRAD]

What the hell will we do when they say the same thing in February?

http://www.xavierhoops.com/showthread.php?27353-Projected-Final-Regular-Season-Record-18-13

If I remember correctly, we made the tourney last year

[Masterofreality]

1576

SEC zebras and Dana O'Neill.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Always talking about next year with all my sports teams (not as much Xavier but some with our recent recruiting class).

Knicks (always next year and oh we have cap space and the free agents, blah, blah, blah)
Mets (next year! The pitching staff is young and talented, we just need one more bat!) (Next year really is the year though!)
Giants (next year with Cruz and Beckham, watch out!) I have less beef with the Giants though since they have won the SB twice since 2007. They just suck every other year.

[D-West & PO-Z]

If I remember correctly, we made the tourney last year

No according to some we didnt really make it, or we sort of made it, since apparently playing in the firs four doesnt count.

[Xville]

people thinking that being in a play in game is making the tournament.

[D-West & PO-Z]

No according to some we didnt really make it, or we sort of made it, since apparently playing in the firs four doesnt count.


people thinking that being in a play in game is making the tournament.

On point

[OH.X.MI]

"Blogs" publicly calling out certain players on our team.

[94GRAD]

people thinking that being in a play in game is making the tournament.

Tell that to VCU and their Final Four

[Xville]

Tell that to VCU and their Final Four

there is a difference between losing in the play in game and winning it to advance to the actual tournament

[XU2011]

Xavier fans arguing about whether the play in game really counts as making the tournament.

Sad

[D-West & PO-Z]

XU2011 having 10 posts in the 18 days before our loss to Auburn and then having 28 posts in the 3 days since.

5 posts in the 3 days following our last win.

I hope XU wins every game because then we dont have to read much from 2011.

[X-Fan]

Ok Coach Mack, I have beefs with you...
- Having a kid mid-season? Where are your priorities?!? Focus!
- Bald? Come on man.
- Knock it off with the good Dad thing
- I'm getting pretty tired of these good recruiting classes...how are we supposed to sneak up on people!!??!!

[casualfan]

The whole does the play-in game count or not argument is kind of silly to me.

Having said that, can you imagine the massive amount of shit we'd be giving some other fan bases if they were pimping making the friggin play-in game?

If UD fans were bringing that up as pointing to a successful season we'd be having a field day.

[Xville]

-the holiday basketball schedule because we have to wait a week in between games

-greg oden

-Luther Smith

-reflection sessions

-the ridiculous amount of bowl games pimped by espn to make them seem like they mean something

-vegetarians

[drudy23]

No according to some we didnt really make it, or we sort of made it, since apparently playing in the firs four doesnt count.

It doesn't

[waggy]

If you get a check, it counts.

[drudy23]

The whole does the play-in game count or not argument is kind of silly to me.

Having said that, can you imagine the massive amount of shit we'd be giving some other fan bases if they were pimping making the friggin play-in game?

If UD fans were bringing that up as pointing to a successful season we'd be having a field day.

Woah woah woah...you mean we like to have it both ways here?

Kind of like when the Big East wasn't that great until we got there...or how the A10 was top tier and never given its respect until we left it?

[Xville]

If you get a check, it counts.

this goes along with...her boobs are real if you can touch them.

[D-West & PO-Z]

The whole does the play-in game count or not argument is kind of silly to me.

Having said that, can you imagine the massive amount of shit we'd be giving some other fan bases if they were pimping making the friggin play-in game?

If UD fans were bringing that up as pointing to a successful season we'd be having a field day.

I havent seen anyone pimp it or say it was a successful season, just simply that we made the tournament, which is fact it literally cannot be argued. Yet some will definitely try! :rolleyes:

[drudy23]

The sky is red...see what I did there? So, in essence, yes, it can be argued.

[PMI]

The whole does the play-in game count or not argument is kind of silly to me.

Having said that, can you imagine the massive amount of shit we'd be giving some other fan bases if they were pimping making the friggin play-in game?

If UD fans were bringing that up as pointing to a successful season we'd be having a field day.

I can't imagine, because I really don't think about things that are that stupid. I'd like to think I'm secure enough as a Xavier fan to not give a shit about what anonymous dayton fans think about anything. I certainly don't feel the need to apologize for each and every Xavier fan there might have ever been who's had a biased, homered, or even downright hypocritical thought at some point in their fan-ship. I suppose I can find other ways to prove I'm rational, like folding on our tournament chances before the new year...

[D-West & PO-Z]

The sky is red...see what I did there? So, in essence, yes, it can be argued.

Sorry you are right, it can be. But you are wrong.

[casualfan]

I can't imagine, because I really don't think about things that are that stupid. I'd like to think I'm secure enough as a Xavier fan to not give a shit about what anonymous dayton fans think about anything. I certainly don't feel the need to apologize for each and every Xavier fan there might have ever been who's had a biased, homered, or even downright hypocritical thought at some point in their fan-ship. I suppose I can find other ways to prove I'm rational, like folding on our tournament chances before the new year...

I'm not saying everyone would be, but you know damn well there would be people doing it.

[PMI]

I'm not saying everyone would be, but you know damn well there would be people doing it.

Yea, I'm sure. I don't know why we'd feel the need to worry about them and their "massive amounts of shit" but whatever.

[xu82]

I'm not saying everyone would be, but you know damn well there would be people doing it.

Some might even do it just to see the shit storm that ensues. (You know.... if Iwas really bored...)

[paulxu]

Is Airing of Grievances anything like Pet Peeves?

If it is, you know what I think.

[Masterofreality]

Here's a Grievance. Posters arguing over topics that should be on other threads when they should just be airing Grievances on here.

[wkrq59]

On point

Will Xavier be paid for the appearance?? That, not "to be or....." is the question.

[X-man]

The manager of Ryan's refusing to put any local craft beers on tap, stating that the students don't want those beers even though he knows that most of his beer drinkers are not students. Ryan's is dead to me.

[XU-PA]

People calling for the firing of Coach Mack, along with our AD, and Father Graham, after every loss.

OK,,, when are the feats of strength? I'm ready to kick some ass!!!!

[Juice]

People calling for the firing of Coach Mack, along with our AD, and Father Graham, after every loss.

OK,,, when are the feats of strength? I'm ready to kick some ass!!!!

I hate that too. It reeks of a hillbilly fan base.

[X-band '01]

People calling for the firing of Coach Mack, along with our AD, and Father Graham, after every loss.

OK,,, when are the feats of strength? I'm ready to kick some ass!!!!

They were supposed to be last night - Festivus can't end until someone gets pinned.

[gladdenguy]

Mike Sham should be called for firing after every loss, win, or day that ends in -y.

[paulxu]

Katz and Greenburg totally ignoring the fact that the Big East is #2 in OOC winning percentage.

[drudy23]

Katz and Greenburg totally ignoring the fact that the Big East is #2 in OOC winning percentage.

Does that mean we're good or we've played a weak schedule? Not second guessing...just wondering.

[bobbiemcgee]

people thinking that being in a play in game is making the tournament.

We should give back the 1.5 million for making it last year.

[drudy23]

I find it hard to believe that we got $1.5M for making the tournament.

[XUFan09]

Does that mean we're good or we've played a weak schedule? Not second guessing...just wondering.
I think I saw we had the #3 SOS.

[Masterofreality]

Does that mean we're good or we've played a weak schedule? Not second guessing...just wondering.


I think I saw we had the #3 SOS.

Yes. Big East has played the #3 ranked SOS which is better than any other "Big 6" League- except for the SEC at #1. It hasn't dodged anybody and that was a decree from Val Ackerman- to schedule better.

http://www.rpiforecast.com/confrpi.html

http://www.rpiforecast.com/confs/BE.html

[waggy]

A decree from Val?


http://memecrunch.com/meme/12P2A/c-mon-man/image.png

[paulxu]

I find it hard to believe that we got $1.5M for making the tournament.

Assuming you are not being facetious, every NCAA game is worth that, including "play ins."

[Masterofreality]

A decree from Val?


http://memecrunch.com/meme/12P2A/c-mon-man/image.png

Well, maybe not a decree, but a discussion. This from a NY Daily News Article from Big East Media day.

"CHANGED PHILOSOPHY
Willard said several coaches and Ackerman discussed the need to toughen non-conference scheduling after the Big East got just four teams into the NCAA Tournament last March. “We need to play at a higher level. That’s not a secret,” he said. “We’ve talked about what we need to do as a league, what we need to do scheduling, recruiting.” ... The recruiting is coming along. Senior associate commissioner Stu Jackson pointed out that Big East schools had the second-most top 100 commitments behind only the ACC. "

[Masterofreality]

I find it hard to believe that we got $1.5M for making the tournament.


Assuming you are not being facetious, every NCAA game is worth that, including "play ins."

Yeah, it's the Tournament. I'm sure SMU and 282 other D1 schools would have been pleased to have been included. No one including Tennessee, Iowa and NC State turned the bid down.

By the way, the main reason that Xavier was placed in Dayton was because of the travel proximity. SD State and Steven F Austin (both 12 seeds) were more likely to have been in the play-in, but they both had to be seeded in the West because of the lack of quality teams out there, which would have been a logistics nightmare for them.

[X-band '01]

That's a faulty premise MOR - both Stephen F. Austin and North Dakota State couldn't be in the play-in game because they were automatic qualifiers from their conferences, not at-large teams.

[LA Muskie]

We should give back the 1.5 million for making it last year.

Or we could keep the $1.5mm (if true) but not pretend that losing in the play-in game = making the tourney.

[paulxu]

I'm pretty sure MOR is right. Cal-Poly for example was slotted in the First Four, and was a conference champ.
Probably Albany also.

[GoMuskies]

I'm pretty sure MOR is right. Cal-Poly for example was slotted in the First Four, and was a conference champ.
Probably Albany also.

The 16 seeds and the last four in are different deals. MOR is definitely wrong.

[paulxu]

The 16 seeds and the last four in are different deals. MOR is definitely wrong.

'01 said a couple teams couldn't be in the play in games because they were auto bids as conference champs.

I think that is wrong, as my examples of Albany and Cal-Poly who played in at Dayton show.

[GoMuskies]

'01 said a couple teams couldn't be in the play in games because they were auto bids as conference champs.

I think that is wrong, as my examples of Albany and Cal-Poly who played in at Dayton show.

Yes, that is for 16 seeds only. Those are all auto-bids. The last four in that get sent to Dayton cannot be auto-bid teams. They are all at-large selections.

[paulxu]

Yes, that is for 16 seeds only. Those are all auto-bids. The last four in that get sent to Dayton cannot be auto-bid teams. They are all at-large selections.

Got that. But, there are conference auto-bids there also. I guess the other 4 teams.

[GoMuskies]

Got that. But, there are conference auto-bids there also. I guess the other 4 teams.

Yes, the 16 seeds. SF Austin was in no danger of being a #16 seed, and that is the only way they would have been eligible to go to Dayton.

[Masterofreality]

Wrong schlong. There were conference champs in the first eight. The Committee can place any number they want by a team and a team anywhere they want.

The seeding is arbitrary- just like my using SFA and SD State. I could have used other 11 seeds. Iowa was an 11 seed for example in the first 8. . The Committee changes seedlings to fill venues. Teams don't always get seeded right on.

I stand by my statement that Xavier was picked to The dump because we were an easy travel and placed as a 12 because of it. We could have just as easily been an 11 and put somewhere else or still at VD Arena. Our last RPI was 47. Nebraska was 48 RPI and got an 11. Oklahoma State was 45 and got a 9.

[GoMuskies]

Wrong schlong. There were conference champs in the first eight.

Yes, the 4 16 seeds are always going to be conference champ auto bids. None of the other four can or will be.

[Masterofreality]

Yes, the 4 16 seeds are always going to be conference champ auto bids. None of the other four can or will be.

Again, read the rest of my post and don't focus on the teams I threw out there.

The central point was that Xavier in the dump was a placement of convenience, but the bottom line was that Xavier needed to win...and did not. It was still a part of the Tournament though..and the money spends the same.

[GoMuskies]

I agree it counts as the Tournament. I see absolutely no evidence, however, for the proposition that Xavier was placed in Dayton for convenience as opposed to being one of the shittiest 4 teams to get an at-large bid.