FBS Playoff Discussion and Pick the Winner

[paulxu]

Who do you think emerges from the final game.
In picking the winner, you are also picking the 2 games before.

I think Alabama comes out on top (once again).

[D-West & PO-Z]

Who do you think emerges from the final game.
In picking the winner, you are also picking the 2 games before.

I think Alabama comes out on top (once again).

I think Oregon takes out Alabama in the Championship game.

Edit: Thats what I want to happen at least. I also think it very well could.

[GoMuskies]

Shouldn't they change the names of the subdivisions again? If FBS has a championship, how can FCS be called FCS?

I'm here to ask the important questions.

[OH.X.MI]

FSU over Bama. It's a totally irrational pick. But I just feel FSU's luck isn't gonna run out. Also Vegas giving them 15/2 odds is too nice not to put $25 on.

[xu82]

FSU over Bama. It's a totally irrational pick. But I just feel FSU's luck isn't gonna run out. Also Vegas giving them 15/2 odds is too nice not to put $25 on.

I'm with you, also irrationally. I have a son who's a senior at FSU. He was big local football guy in high school who was wise enough to skip small school college ball to look toward the future and away from more doctors. He defends Jameis, irrationally (but then chuckles). I voted Bama over FSU, but I think Bama over Oregon.

[Masterofreality]

Can we all agree that Ohio State gets Boatraced by Bama?

[vee4xu]

Can we all agree that Ohio State gets Boatraced by Bama?

No. I saw Alabama play against Auburn and Missouri. Their secondary stinks and is vulnerable to the big play. Urban coached against Saban in the SEC and knows how to prepare for those games. Also, OSU has upgraded their overall speed and that will be a big difference this time. Just because OSU haters wish it, doesn't mean it will happen.


I'll take the points if you're willing to lay them.

[xu82]

Can we all agree that Ohio State gets Boatraced by Bama?

I hope that's a conservative description of how that turns out. Bama should crush them. OSU can return the opening kickoff, then get punched in the face the rest of the day. Ahhh, the good old days.
(I'll hate myself if it turns out otherwise - just sit back and watch it happen.)

[xu82]

No. I saw Alabama play against Auburn and Missouri. Their secondary stinks and is vulnerable to the big play. Urban coached against Saban in the SEC and knows how to prepare for those games. Also, OSU has upgraded their overall speed and that will be a big difference this time. Just because OSU haters wish it, doesn't mean it will happen.


I'll take the points if you're willing to lay them.

What do we know about the THIRD STRING QB? Can he hurt the DB's? I had the XU game and FSU game recorded. Not a glimpse of QB #3. I don't know enough to have a strong opinion other than Bama is best in my eyes.

[vee4xu]

I hope that's a conservative description of how that turns out. Bama should crush them. OSU can return the opening kickoff, then get punched in the face the rest of the day. Ahhh, the good old days.
(I'll hate myself if it turns out otherwise - just sit back and watch it happen.)

For those playing at home, this is not Jim Tressell's Buckeyes.

[vee4xu]

What do we know about the THIRD STRING QB? Can he hurt the DB's? I had the XU game and FSU game recorded. Not a glimpse of QB #3. I don't know enough to have a strong opinion other than Bama is best in my eyes.

You should watch a replay of it. It will speak for itself in answer to your question.

[vee4xu]

Also, for the record, OSU has been playing with a backup QB this entire season. So, their success my have just a little bit to do with the rest of the talent around whatever QB is in the game, don't you think?

[xu82]

For those playing at home, this is not Jim Tressell's Buckeyes.

I know OSU is indeed joining the big boys despite their location. I'm just not sure if they're far enough along with QB #3. But Urban will bring speed to the program.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Can we all agree that Ohio State gets Boatraced by Bama?

Yes

[Masterofreality]

Can anybody tell me where these games are being played?

Never mind- Sugar and Rose Bowls.

[D-West & PO-Z]

No. I saw Alabama play against Auburn and Missouri. Their secondary stinks and is vulnerable to the big play. Urban coached against Saban in the SEC and knows how to prepare for those games. Also, OSU has upgraded their overall speed and that will be a big difference this time. Just because OSU haters wish it, doesn't mean it will happen.


I'll take the points if you're willing to lay them.

Yeah Saban is arguably the biggest reason Urban left Florida.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Can anybody tell me where these games are being played?

Never mind- Sugar and Rose Bowls.

Bama OSU is in NOLA

Oregon FSU at the Rose Bowl

[vee4xu]

Yeah Saban is arguably the biggest reason Urban left Florida.

Okay, I'm calling bullshit here. Please show me something other than your vivid imagination that validates this comment. Published reports said Urban had health issues. What sort of inside skinny do you have on the topic? This reminds me of something someone who watches Fox News and hate President Obama would posit. Also, he did leave with two national championships.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Okay, I'm calling bullshit here. Please show me something other than your vivid imagination that validates this comment. Published reports said Urban had health issues. What sort of inside skinny do you have on the topic? This reminds me of something someone who watches Fox News and hate President Obama would posit. Also, he did leave with two national championships.

Here is an article from today that makes reference to it. I have read it other places when it happened and heard it since as well. I'll look to see if I can find any others. It is definitely not something I just made up. Urban was losing Tebow and Saban was killing it. Not hard to see it had at least something to do with it.

http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2014/12/nick_saban_gets_another_chance.html

"Saban has won three national championships since Meyer last reached the summit, and Saban is at least part of the reason Meyer is coaching in the Big Ten, not the SEC.

"I know what kind of coach Urban Meyer is," Saban said Sunday, complimenting his old rival.

We know what kind of coach Meyer is, too. He's a very good one who wins everywhere he goes. He just wins a little more when he doesn't have to contend with Saban."

[xudash]

Here is an article from today that makes reference to it. I have read it other places when it happened and heard it since as well. I'll look to see if I can find any others. It is definitely not something I just made up. Urban was losing Tebow and Saban was killing it. Not hard to see it had at least something to do with it.

http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2014/12/nick_saban_gets_another_chance.html

"Saban has won three national championships since Meyer last reached the summit, and Saban is at least part of the reason Meyer is coaching in the Big Ten, not the SEC.

"I know what kind of coach Urban Meyer is," Saban said Sunday, complimenting his old rival.

We know what kind of coach Meyer is, too. He's a very good one who wins everywhere he goes. He just wins a little more when he doesn't have to contend with Saban."

An article from Alabama. Well, that sums it up.

On the other hand, if you would like to chat with a couple of my Bull Gator friends, they can set you straight, and they aren't very fond of Urban at this point, given where UF ended up in the scheme of things, but they at least know the truth, which did not include the idea of one other football coach in the SEC being the reason for moving out of Gainesville or having something to do with that.

[X Factor]

I know OSU is indeed joining the big boys despite their location.

OSU has the most BCS wins of any program since they started the BCS. First year of college playoff, OSU made it. They've been playing with the "big boys" a long time. They are one of the Top 5 programs of all-time.

Urban Meyer has the highest winning percentage of any active coach in college football. He's won 2 national championships.
He also beat Nick Saban and Alabama back in '08.

Boatraced? I don't think so.

[D-West & PO-Z]

OSU has the most BCS wins of any program since they started the BCS. First year of college playoff, OSU made it. They've been playing with the "big boys" a long time. They are one of the Top 5 programs of all-time.

Urban Meyer has the highest winning percentage of any active coach in college football. He's won 2 national championships.
He also beat Nick Saban and Alabama back in '08.

Boatraced? I don't think so.

It doesnt really help your case that the biggest reason you have so many BCS wins is because OSU pretty much by default goes to one every year because their conference is poopy. And then the last two times that OSU has been in the big one they have lost by an average of 20.5 points.

2-4 in the last 6 BCS bowl games doesnt look great either, nor does 2-7 overall in the the last 9 bowl games.

[vee4xu]

OSU has the most BCS wins of any program since they started the BCS. First year of college playoff, OSU made it. They've been playing with the "big boys" a long time. They are one of the Top 5 programs of all-time.

Urban Meyer has the highest winning percentage of any active coach in college football. He's won 2 national championships.
He also beat Nick Saban and Alabama back in '08.

Boatraced? I don't think so.

You make great points. Clearly the hatred for OSU and the Big 10 is jading the logical thinking of many otherwise reliable posters. Passion has a way of clouding one's thinking, resulting in irrational defenses of truth. I know firsthand because I have my list of hated things. We all do. Truth is, by any metric, National Championships, Heisman Trophy winners, all time program wins, as you mentioned BCS wins and the list goes on OSU is an all time best top 5 program. I don't hold it against anyone who hates OSU because I'd hate them too if I had to root for a lesser program. Reality sucks sometimes and you just have to live with that if you hate OSU. On the other hand there's plenty of time to hop onto the bandwagon.

[D-West & PO-Z]

You make great points. Clearly the hatred for OSU and the Big 10 is jading the logical thinking of many otherwise reliable posters. Passion has a way of clouding one's thinking, resulting in irrational defenses of truth. I know firsthand because I have my list of hated things. We all do. Truth is, by any metric, National Championships, Heisman Trophy winners, all time program wins, as you mentioned BCS wins and the list goes on OSU is an all time best top 5 program. I don't hold it against anyone who hates OSU because I'd hate them too if I had to root for a lesser program. Reality sucks sometimes and you just have to live with that if you hate OSU. On the other hand there's plenty of time to hop onto the bandwagon.

HA! This coming from an OSU fan about other people is HILARIOUS!

[vee4xu]

HA! This coming from an OSU fan about other people is HILARIOUS!
Thanks for making my point. Hop on the bandwagon you'll feel much better.

[GoMuskies]

I'm having flashbacks to growing up in Kentucky. But I assume vee still has all his teef.

[vee4xu]

I'm having flashbacks to growing up in Kentucky. But I assume vee still has all his teef.

Another country heard from. Not unexpected. I'm having fun now.

[GoMuskies]

You're certainly living down to Sloopy's reputation. Congrats on that.

[vee4xu]

You're certainly living down to Sloopy's reputation. Congrats on that.

It was a toss up between you D-West for the poster child of making my point, but you win. And since you need to always have the last word you will respond to this post. But since I've clearly made my point and it is documented for all to see I'm done.

Go Bucks!

[GoMuskies]

It was a toss up between you D-West for the poster child of making my point

Oh, I think you made your point quite well.

[Masterofreality]

It doesnt really help your case that the biggest reason you have so many BCS wins is because OSU pretty much by default goes to one every year because their conference is poopy. And then the last two times that OSU has been in the big one they have lost by an average of 20.5 points.

2-4 in the last 6 BCS bowl games doesnt look great either, nor does 2-7 overall in the the last 9 bowl games.

See, facts get in the way of a great Ohio State honk's cry that they are hated and get no respect. The Big 10 is horrible and OSU fills up with at least 9 cupcakes, including pre-conference and conference games every year.

If U want people to stop hating, just win.

[paulxu]

I don't hate OSU. I actually don't think about them too much, one way or the other.
The talk about all their winning sort of reminds me of Dayton. 1 national championship since 1970. Whatever.

When I do think about them, I think about their only two bowl tries against the Gamecocks. Thanks for playing.

Overcoming the loss of the their quarterback, and last weeks hammering of Wisky are impressive I grant.
We'll see if that can carryover against the Tide.

When you have 5 power conferences, you need a playoff system that incorporates all of them. This 4 team is stupid. Need 8. They'll get there.

[Muskie]

Remind me again why this thing "can't" be 16 teams (with each conference getting one participant?). I'd be more interested then I think. This seems more contrived than the BCS.

[Xville]

Having watched Alabama in 5-6 games this year, I can tell you that this is not the Alabama defense of a few years ago. They are good, but not typical Alabama good. However, their offense is just as good if not better than a few years ago. Ohio state should be able to put some points on the board against Alabama, but its pretty sick how big of an offensive line Alabama has. Ohio State is going to have a lot of trouble stopping the run, and then that doesn't even factor in what Amari Cooper can do. Alabama by two td's.

As far as the Oregon-FSU game, Oregon has more talent on both sides of the ball, but I just find it silly to bet against Winston until the guy loses a game. Bama-Florida State in the finals...Bama wins it.

[xudash]

I don't hate OSU. I actually don't think about them too much, one way or the other.
The talk about all their winning sort of reminds me of Dayton. 1 national championship since 1970. Whatever.

When I do think about them, I think about their only two bowl tries against the Gamecocks. Thanks for playing.

Overcoming the loss of the their quarterback, and last weeks hammering of Wisky are impressive I grant.
We'll see if that can carryover against the Tide.

When you have 5 power conferences, you need a playoff system that incorporates all of them. This 4 team is stupid. Need 8. They'll get there.

You may want to go back and do a little homework on that one.

[ammtd34]

You may want to go back and do a little homework on that one.

What's wrong about it?

[xudash]

What's wrong about it?

Some of you guys are amazing.

On January 3, 2003 in Tempe, Arizona at Sun Devil Stadium. OSU defeated the Miami Hurricanes by a score of 31–24 in double overtime to win the 2002 BCS National Championship Game. Miami was defending National Champion that year. Miami had a lot of "speed."

[THRILLHOUSE]

Some of you guys are amazing.

On January 3, 2003 in Tempe, Arizona at Sun Devil Stadium. OSU defeated the Miami Hurricanes by a score of 31–24 in double overtime to win the 2002 BCS National Championship Game. Miami was defending National Champion that year. Miami had a lot of "speed."

Yes, that was their one and only National Championship since 1970. So again, what are we missing?

(note - I think comparing OSU to Dayton is dumb. OSU more often than not is in title contention. But the 1 championship since '70 portion of that post wasn't wrong)

[D-West & PO-Z]

Yes, that was their one and only National Championship since 1970. So again, what are we missing?

Yeah I'm really confused too. How is that not one national championship since 1970?

[GoMuskies]

So OSU is tied with heavyweights like Georgia Tech and Washington in number of national titles in the last 45 years? Gosh, I guess we really should all jump on the bandwagon.

[xudash]

Yeah I'm really confused too. How is that not one national championship since 1970?

That's my fault, I wasn't focused on the "since."

Having noted that, it's rather disingenuous for Paul to have gone that route. Ohio State last won a NC in 2002, period. It's won 7 of them in its history.

BTW, how many NC's has South Carolina won?

When did ND last win a NC?

Michigan?

Yes, Ohio State is the topic, but if you want to try to crap on one of the Top 5 programs in history, you should first consider where your program stands in the order of things.

Ohio State is playing for a NC again. I'll hope for a great outcome, but I don't expect it this year, especially with the QB situation that has transpired. The Buckeyes are about 1 to 2 years from being in real position to contend for a NC again. If you don't follow this program at all, and especially if you don't like it, then you're in for some heartburn for the foreseeable future. It is highly likely that Urban will deliver a NC to Columbus during his tenure there.

[GoMuskies]

Unless Urban gets some heartburn and decides to quit again.

[xudash]

So OSU is tied with heavyweights like Georgia Tech and Washington in number of national titles in the last 45 years? Gosh, I guess we really should all jump on the bandwagon.

How does UL make out in that comparison?

[GoMuskies]

How does UL make out in that comparison?

About as well as Xavier makes out in comparison to Dayton or San Francisco or Wichita State in basketball.

[RealDeal]

Amazed at how much debate there is on this board on things like exactly when and how often Uconn and OSU have won titles.

[Xville]

Let's just be honest here about one thing...if it was Texas and Oklahoma instead of Tcu and baylor, Ohio state would not have jumped into the top four...no way no how. When everything else is equal, which in this case it essentially was, size does matter.

[xudash]

About as well as Xavier makes out in comparison to Dayton or San Francisco or Wichita State in basketball.

How many NC's does UL hold in football?

[GoMuskies]

How many NC's does UL hold in football?

The same number Xavier does in basketball

[xudash]

The same number Xavier does in basketball

I was considering asking whether or not you have an aversion to the use of the word ZERO, but I'll let it go.

[GoMuskies]

I assumed this was all leading to some point. Now I feel let down.

[vee4xu]

I was considering asking whether or not you have an aversion to the use of the word ZERO, but I'll let it go.


He's a lawyer so you'll never get a straight answer. You'll always, always get an answer, but never a straight answer. It's how they're trained. When an argument gets away from you, then use slight of hand and diversion to change the subject. And by all means, never, never admit the obvious. It's just how Counselors roll.

[xudash]

He's a lawyer so you'll never get a straight answer. You'll always, always get an answer, but never a straight answer. It's how they're trained. When an argument gets away from you, then use slight of hand and diversion to change the subject. And by all means, never, never admit the obvious. It's just how Counselors roll.

Yes, it's one thing to deflect by offering the notion that he missed the point of UL being irrelevant to big-time college football, while managing to feel let down about supposedly missing a point. That ZERO rings loudly.

This hatred of the Buckeyes is all very interesting. I understand it when it comes to dealing with truly over-the-top fans. I'm sure that it will be gleeful around here late on January 1st if Bama covers or exceeds the spread.

Otherwise, Urban will continue to build for the future while some live vicariously through his opponents.

[GoMuskies]

You still haven't made a point. What does Louisville winning the same number of football national titles as Xavier has won basketball national titles have to do with this particular discussion?

I'll hang up and listen. Surely you don't plan to tear down Xavier basketball and its fans with your responses? That would be hurtful.

[paulxu]

Having noted that, it's rather disingenuous for Paul to have gone that route. Ohio State last won a NC in 2002, period. It's won 7 of them in its history.

BTW, how many NC's has South Carolina won?

I'm not sure how I was being disingenuous. I noted the recent good work of OSU. I really don't care enough about them to "hate" them.
I do not live vicariously through other teams with whom I have no connection. I do like conference match ups.

South Carolina has a grand total of ZERO NC's. Sort of like Xavier in recent basketball history.
I would be supporting, following, cheering for Xavier football if they still had it like they did when I attended.
Failing that, I've adopted the Gamecocks as I live in South Carolina, to support, cheer for, attended games, etc.

The Gamecocks have had the chance to face the Buckeyes in 2 bowl games in the last 10 years (actually they are the only 2 times.)

How many times have the Buckeyes defeated the Gamecocks in those 2 opportunities to settle this argument on the field?

[xudash]

You still haven't made a point. What does Louisville winning the same number of football national titles as Xavier has won basketball national titles have to do with this particular discussion?

I'll hang up and listen. Surely you don't plan to tear down Xavier basketball and its fans with your responses? That would be hurtful.

This is about football. You brought Xavier into it. BTW, it was very futile to do so on your part.

Consider what you just wrote: "Surely you don't plan to tear down." Wake-up counselor. You consistently take shots at Ohio State and the B1G. Do you truly believe fans of Ohio State aren't going to fire back at you? And are you taking the position that you don't see the irony of your rather vocal activity in that regard as being somewhat comical, given that your favorite college team is UL?

The point? Okay. You aren't going to operate with carte blanche status here when taking direct shots at someone else's favorite football team. Did you not understand that before you went down this road?

I guess those questions have become rhetorical, since you've hung up.

[GoMuskies]

And are you taking the position that you don't see the irony of your rather vocal activity in that regard as being somewhat comical, given that your favorite college team is UL?

Actually, no. I don't see any irony in it at all. I do, however, see the irony in your line of reasoning when your favorite college basketball team is Xavier.

[xudash]

I'm not sure how I was being disingenuous. I noted the recent good work of OSU. I really don't care enough about them to "hate" them.
I do not live vicariously through other teams with whom I have no connection. I do like conference match ups.

South Carolina has a grand total of ZERO NC's. Sort of like Xavier in recent basketball history.
I would be supporting, following, cheering for Xavier football if they still had it like they did when I attended.
Failing that, I've adopted the Gamecocks as I live in South Carolina, to support, cheer for, attended games, etc.

The Gamecocks have had the chance to face the Buckeyes in 2 bowl games in the last 10 years (actually they are the only 2 times.)

How many times have the Buckeyes defeated the Gamecocks in those 2 opportunities to settle this argument on the field?

They lost twice. Does that mean you believe that South Carolina is a superior football program to Ohio State?

[xudash]

Actually, no. I don't see any irony in it at all. I do, however, see the irony in your line of reasoning when your favorite college basketball team is Xavier.

FOOTBALL. We're talking about football. I would say nice try again, but I know that will be futile with you.

You want to take shots at the Buckeyes, you'll receive return fire from time to time.

[GoMuskies]

I'm sorry you don't understand analogies.

I do appreciate you adopting LH's arguments, though.

[xudash]

I'm sorry you don't understand analogies.

I do appreciate you adopting LH's arguments, though.

I understand them very well, thank you. And so now you want to go down that road?

You should have left the phone on the hook when you hung up the first time.

[paulxu]

They lost twice. Does that mean you believe that South Carolina is a superior football program to Ohio State?

So far OSU hasn't beaten us, so I'm conflicted as to the "superiority" of their program, as you might suspect.

The correct answer to the question was "Zero."

[GoMuskies]

It doesn't seem that you do. This has been covered.

[GoMuskies]

The correct answer to the question was "Zero."

Funny

[XU 87]

You may want to go back and do a little homework on that one.

OSU has had one national championship since 1968 season. So the 1970 part was incorrect. I don't count polls taken before the end of the season. I realize there are some "final" polls out there taken before the 1971 and 1976 Rose Bowls. OSU was #1 in the country before both games, and lost both games, despite being heavily favored in both games.

Here is one of OSU's so-called national championships:

http://buckeyextra.dispatch.com/content/stories/2012/11/09/gameday/history.html

I will add that I am an OSU football fan. But they've had one real national championship since the 1968 Sophomores.

[Masterofreality]

Dash, U know I love ya Brother, but Ohio State bragging about their "National Championships" is primarily based on ancient history.....like SucKS bragging about their Bball Championships. Ohio State has won one, and that was due to a very disputed Official call, since Xavier dropped football.. Loyola Chicago won a National Championship in basketball more recently than SucKS.

Yes, OSU has been relevant, but they haven't won and The B1G has lost it's image of dominance to the SEC. Until two things happen A) Ohio State wins a NC again and B) The Big 10 actually starts winning intersectional and Bowl games against quality competition, the disrespect and disdain will be out there, and rightly so.

[ammtd34]

OSU has had one national championship since 1968 season. So the 1970 part was incorrect. I don't count polls taken before the end of the season. I realize there are some "final" polls out there taken before the 1971 and 1976 Rose Bowls. OSU was #1 in the country before both games, and lost both games, despite being heavily favored in both games.

Here is one of OSU's so-called national championships:

http://buckeyextra.dispatch.com/content/stories/2012/11/09/gameday/history.html

I will add that I am an OSU football fan. But they've had one real national championship since the 1968 Sophomores.

I didn't know that. In that case, I'm overdue to celebrate Notre Dame's 2012 National Championship.

[XU 87]

I didn't know that. In that case, I'm overdue to celebrate Notre Dame's 2012 National Championship.

I suppose UK should have banners for 1966 and 1971. I think they were #1 in the country in some "final" polls before the tournament in both seasons.

[xudash]

Funny

Good, you get it now.

[vee4xu]

This feels like one of those post holiday dinner debates around the table which makes it fun. That being said, Ohio State is s 36-3 over the past three years. They are the first team to ever complete three full Big 10 seasons undefeated and untied. They are almost always in position to play for national championships. Love or hate OSU the success of the program as an all time winning program is indisputable. Anyone disputing this point has no credibility in my mind. If you want to take shots at the league, go ahead. OSU can't control how other teams recruit. If you want to take shots at their OOC schedule go ahead. The NCAA has forced ALL DI teams to avoid losing early so all teams play games they can win. You see, OSU is no different than any other NCAA DI football team, but for they win much more than almost all of them.

[xudash]

Dash, U know I love ya Brother, but Ohio State bragging about their "National Championships" is primarily based on ancient history.....like SucKS bragging about their Bball Championships. Ohio State has won one, and that was due to a very disputed Official call, since Xavier dropped football.. Loyola Chicago won a National Championship in basketball more recently than SucKS.

Yes, OSU has been relevant, but they haven't won and The B1G has lost it's image of dominance to the SEC. Until two things happen A) Ohio State wins a NC again and B) The Big 10 actually starts winning intersectional and Bowl games against quality competition, the disrespect and disdain will be out there, and rightly so.

I'm okay with some of what you wrote, but, among other victories, lost in the last two attempts at the NC were Sugar Bowl victories over an SEC TEAM - vacated or not, the Buckeyes beat Arkansas on the field - an annihilation of Notre Dame in a BCS Bowl, and a victory over Oregon in the Rose Bowl.

I agree that the B1G has lost its dominance to the SEC. I agree with your two points, albeit understanding that Ohio State's overall BCS record isn't bad, and that it involves one NC. BTW, that very disputed call you mentioned should never have taken that long to flag, and defensive holding wasn't called earlier in the play anyway. The official got it right, finally.

There have been enough direct shots at the Buckeyes here to prompt me to respond. We'll see what happens on the field. And we'll see what happens in the years to come.

And I'll leave it at that for now.

[BandAid]

Greg Oden and an ex are all I need to hate OSU in all its forms. I hope Saban beats them so bad Urban quits again.

[xudash]

Greg Oden and an ex are all I need to hate OSU in all its forms. I hope Saban beats them so bad Urban quits again.

I think that is beyond fair, and possibly in equal measures.

[Mel Cooley XU'81]

OSU beats Bama then FSU.

Beating two southern teams would be Good for the BIG.

[PMI]

Yeah Saban is arguably the biggest reason Urban left Florida.

Saban didn't have anything to do with Meyer leaving Florida. Those who had pull at the school and in the program who were sick of the scum Meyer was bringing into Gainseville did. Now I do think there's probably something to Saban's presence being a factor in why Meyer isn't coaching in the SEC right now, but that's a different argument. Saban wore out his welcome with a lot of people at Florida who wanted at least a relatively clean program. I mean, hell, even SEC fans can only handle so many serial killers in their program, and one (that we know of) is one too many. I'm sure he's running a totally clean ship in Columbus though, just ask an OSU fan...

[LA Muskie]

Saban didn't have anything to do with Meyer leaving Florida. Those who had pull at the school and in the program who were sick of the scum Meyer was bringing into Gainseville did. Now I do think there's probably something to Saban's presence being a factor in why Meyer isn't coaching in the SEC right now, but that's a different argument. Saban wore out his welcome with a lot of people at Florida who wanted at least a relatively clean program. I mean, hell, even SEC fans can only handle so many serial killers in their program, and one (that we know of) is one too many. I'm sure he's running a totally clean ship in Columbus though, just ask an OSU fan...

But doesn't Tebow balance out a serial killer? (Just kidding. Mostly...))

[ThrowDownDBrown]

This board is literally one of the worst places on the entire internet to have rationale college football discussions.

[xu82]

OSU beats Bama then FSU.

Beating two southern teams would be Good for the BIG.

WAKE UP, MEL! WAKE UP!
(Or, you could prove Vegas very, very wrong.)

[GoMuskies]

This board is literally one of the worst places on the entire internet to have rationale college football discussions.

Clearly you hate Ohio State.

[MADXSTER]

This board is literally one of the worst places on the entire internet to have rationale college football discussions.

I fart in your general direction.....kaniggits

[vee4xu]

OSU beats Bama then FSU.

Beating two southern teams would be Good for the BIG.

Public reps, Mel. I like the way you think and the courage you display in this hostile, anti-OSU environment. :smile:

[OH.X.MI]

Growing up in Michigan as a Michigan State fan I always thought U of M fans were the most obnoxious and delusional fans in the world.... and then I moved to Ohio. But still, I will be cheering for OSU come game time. B1G needs a win, I just wish it could have been the Spartans.

(Edit: That was in jest, I really no problem with OSU in football. I can always bond with a Buckeye fan's mutual disdain for the maize and blue.)

[XU 87]

As I said above, I'm an OSU football fan. My favorite shirt growing up was my Archie Griffin jersey. But I think it was damn near a crime to have OSU in over either Baylor or TCU. Beating a bunch of bad to mediocre teams in the Big Ten should not have jumped them ahead of those teams.

I would like to know the Big Ten's overall bowl record for the past 10 years. I bet it isn't pretty.

And hear it is (2000 - 2010). Pretty bad.

http://blog.philsteele.com/2010/07/10/conference-bowl-rankings-past-decade/

I would have put the ACC in front of the Big Ten.

[D-West & PO-Z]

As I said above, I'm an OSU football fan. My favorite shirt growing up was my Archie Griffin jersey. But I think it was damn near a crime to have OSU in over either Baylor or TCU. Beating a bunch of bad to mediocre teams in the Big Ten should not have jumped them ahead of those teams.

I would like to know the Big Ten's overall bowl record for the past 10 years. I bet it isn't pretty.

And hear it is. Pretty bad.

http://blog.philsteele.com/2010/07/10/conference-bowl-rankings-past-decade/

I was looking for something similar earlier and didnt find it. Yeah thats not great.

[XU 87]

Looks like things didn't improve after 2010.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/eye-on-college-football/21486870/the-big-ten-keeps-falling-on-its-face-in-bowl-games

[vee4xu]

Growing up in Michigan as a Michigan State fan I always thought U of M fans were the most obnoxious and delusional fans in the world.... and then I moved to Ohio. But still, I will be cheering for OSU come game time. B1G needs a win, I just wish it could have been the Spartans.

(Edit: That was in jest, I really no problem with OSU in football. I can always bond with a Buckeye fan's mutual disdain for the maize and blue.)

My enemy's enemy is my friend. I get it! :handshake:

[Masterofreality]

This board is literally one of the worst places on the entire internet to have rationale college football discussions.

Of course, that's because it's a BASKETBALL board.:laugh:

[X Factor]

Ohio State has played in the most BCS Bowl Games with 10 appearances.

They are 6-4 in those games.

Alabama has played in 6 BCS Bowl Games, going 3-3 in those games.

[vee4xu]

Of course, that's because it's a BASKETBALL board.:laugh:

And since we all love XU basketball, this is one way for us to throw down a little smack among ourselves. It's a good diversion. Also, it's good practice for when trollers come here. We are all like brothers, as I see it. At least like my brother and me. We can fight like hell among ourselves, but no one outside the family better pick on either one of us. Doing so risks incurring the full wrath of the other brothers. :smack:

[GoMuskies]

I'd shank a Dayton fan for vee. Granted, vee was probably giving that same Dayton fan a high five last weekend while watching the Big Ten championship game.

[vee4xu]

I'd shank a Dayton fan for vee. Granted, vee was probably giving that same Dayton fan a high five last weekend while watching the Big Ten championship game.

I can't rep you. You're too funny. Though one of my really good friends here in C-bus played for dayton in the 1970's. I would have high fived him if he was watching the OSU game with me. As for basketball, well let's just say we don't talk about it.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Ohio State has played in the most BCS Bowl Games with 10 appearances.

They are 6-4 in those games.

Alabama has played in 6 BCS Bowl Games, going 3-3 in those games.

Yeah but their 3 wins are all National Championship game wins. You and every OSU fan in the country would trade those records in a second.

[mohr5150]

Screw OSU and the bullshit that got them into this four team tournament. Money talks, boys, and the OSU faithful fans got them into the dance, not what happened on the field. I think Saban is the closest thing to Satan on this planet next to Calipari, but I will be pulling like crazy for the Tide so I don't have to listen to the Butteye fans. I hope it is a bloodbath just to make this moronic committee look dumber than they already do.

[LA Muskie]

I don't have a problem with OSU being #4. I think there were good arguments for each of OSU, Baylor and TCU, and I think each could lay legitimate claim to the spot.

But I have a HUGE problem with how they got there. It doesn't make any sense that they can win by 52 and drop a spot (much less two). What exactly could they have done to prevent that? Win by 85? If the answer is that they couldn't have done anything -- that aside from winning their game, their destiny was in the hands of OSU (and, apparently, Baylor) then they never should have been #3 five days earlier. It was a total tease, and utterly unfair to those kids.

[PMI]

This board is literally one of the worst places on the entire internet to have rationale college football discussions.

This post could not exemplify your typical OSU football fan any more perfectly.

[Nigel Tufnel]

All of this debate about the teams could be fixed pretty easily. Just don't have the committee do the weekly rankings. Announce the 4 teams once the season is done and the committee could just say their rankings were not determined until the end and they looked at each team's total body of work. ESPN would never go for it. It would cost them too much money and their weekly rankings show...but it would alleviate the committee being in the position of having to explain TCU winning by 52 and dropping 3 slots. The ESPN pundits could still discuss who they think are in the Top 4....but again...all this debate and banter are exactly what they want....and the money.

[X Factor]

Screw OSU and the bullshit that got them into this four team tournament. Money talks, boys, and the OSU faithful fans got them into the dance, not what happened on the field. I think Saban is the closest thing to Satan on this planet next to Calipari, but I will be pulling like crazy for the Tide so I don't have to listen to the Butteye fans. I hope it is a bloodbath just to make this moronic committee look dumber than they already do.

Michigan fans...LOL

[xudash]

I don't have a problem with OSU being #4. I think there were good arguments for each of OSU, Baylor and TCU, and I think each could lay legitimate claim to the spot.

But I have a HUGE problem with how they got there. It doesn't make any sense that they can win by 52 and drop a spot (much less two). What exactly could they have done to prevent that? Win by 85? If the answer is that they couldn't have done anything -- that aside from winning their game, their destiny was in the hands of OSU (and, apparently, Baylor) then they never should have been #3 five days earlier. It was a total tease, and utterly unfair to those kids.

I completely agree with your comment about slotting TCU in at #3 last week. It's not like the Committee couldn't perform some rather simple scenario analysis over that prior week/weekend that would have demonstrated to them how nasty things could get by moving TCU into the 3rd slot that weekend. Of course, FSU bumbling its way into this thing all season long didn't exactly make their lives easy along the way.

By the time it was all settled out, along with Ohio State's convincing win, it moved some of its other key metrics ahead of those two schools, too. The Big XII has itself to blame for this edition of all this. We'll see if it adjusts or holds pat at 10 (translation: Bowlsby will call Austin, TX and plead for permission to seek a viable solution).

[D-West & PO-Z]

I completely agree with your comment about slotting TCU in at #3 last week. It's not like the Committee couldn't perform some rather simple scenario analysis over that prior week/weekend that would have demonstrated to them how nasty things could get by moving TCU into the 3rd slot that weekend. Of course, FSU bumbling its way into this thing all season long didn't exactly make their lives easy along the way.

By the time it was all settled out, along with Ohio State's convincing win, it moved some of its other key metrics ahead of those two schools, too. The Big XII has itself to blame for this edition of all this. We'll see if it adjusts or holds pat at 10 (translation: Bowlsby will call Austin, TX and plead for permission to seek a viable solution).

At the same time they were a weekend away, in a pretty realistic scenario, from having two schools in the playoff. Then they would have been brilliant.

I also dont think FSU made anything difficult for the committee. FSU was the easiest team to figure out in this situation. Go undefeated and they are in, no debate, no way to leave them out. Lose 1 game with the other struggles and their out. Pretty simple.

[vee4xu]

I've tried to stick to facts. So here a some more facts:

OSU 60+ pt games - 1, 50+ pt games-5, 40+ pt games, 3
Before you decry the Big 10 in criticizing these point totals, the B10 has 10 bowl eligible teams.
OSU beat three ranked conference teams in the last 5 weeks. Two were away and one on a neutral field.

OSU has beaten 9 bowl eligible teams.
For all the crap about VA Tech, they are bowl eligible And play UC in a bowl game. Oh and OSU beat UC a conference champ , 50-28.

That's a pretty darned good resume.

[vee4xu]

Oh, and one more thing. They did all of this using two previously untested backup quarterbacks all season.

[mohr5150]

Michigan fans...LOL

I dislike Michigan as well.