College Football Thread - 2014

[xubrew]

That OSU/UC game will definitely be interesting. VaTech has sort of fallen apart since beating the Buckeyes, so UC will be a good test of whether OSU is really that bad or if the VaTech game was just a bad performance. I definitely expected more out of UC against Miami over the weekend, though. Perhaps they got caught looking ahead? HUGE opportunity for UC.

That one would have been a lot more fun three or four years ago. But, it'll still be fun on Saturday.

[GoMuskies]

This is a pretty cool picture currently on the front of ESPN's college football page of Michigan playing in a virtually empty Big House last Saturday. Don't see that too often.

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2014/0920/ncf_a_bighouse1_ms_608x342.jpg

[GoMuskies]

http://houndsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/bighouse.jpg

[kyxu]

In all fairness, those pictures were taken after a 2 and a half hour weather delay (or something like that) where Michigan was already trailing by 16 with less than 8 minutes to go. Not sure of many fans who would stick around for that.

[GoMuskies]

I'm not taking a shot at Michigan or their fans. Just kind of a cool, unusual situation.

[kyxu]

I'm not taking a shot at Michigan or their fans. Just kind of a cool, unusual situation.

I didn't mean to imply that you were. It's just in the context that espn dot com had been posting these pictures recently, it made it appear that Michigan wasn't drawing flies at their games. Though interest is certainly waning, it's not quite to the extent of the above photos. Yet.

[xubrew]

So.....Florida or Michigan??

Where will Bobby Petrino be coaching next season??

[X-band '01]

http://houndsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/bighouse.jpg


In all fairness, those pictures were taken after a 2 and a half hour weather delay (or something like that) where Michigan was already trailing by 16 with less than 8 minutes to go. Not sure of many fans who would stick around for that.

That's only because Utah was allotted so many tickets. Don't think they minded hanging around for a few extra hours.

[chico]

http://houndsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/bighouse.jpg

When did Michigan install a huge drop ceiling with enormous dim florescent lights over the field?

[GoMuskies]

So.....Florida or Michigan??

Where will Bobby Petrino be coaching next season??

At this point in his career, I think he'll retire from or get fired by Louisville. One or the other.

[GoMuskies]

UC had a walk-on running back killed in a motorcycle accident today. Apparently 100% the fault of the other driver.

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/traffic/2014/09/25/vine-street-closed-after-motorcycle-accident/16211427/

[xudash]

So.....Florida or Michigan??

Where will Bobby Petrino be coaching next season??

Programs like UF and UM wouldn't touch a guy like that with a ten foot poll.

[OH.X.MI]

Just walked onto UC's campus, where I am pursing a professional degree that will likely never earn me anything, with a classmate who's an OSU alum. My buddy was decked out in Buckeye gear... lots of intense dirty looks from passersby. Looks like clifton is actually excited for a sporting event.

[Milhouse]

To be honest outside of the ND game OSU UC is the game I'm most excited for this weekend.

I'm very interested to see UC's offense vs. OSU's defense.

[xubrew]

Programs like UF and UM wouldn't touch a guy like that with a ten foot poll.

Maybe not, but at the very least it wouldn't surprise me at all if Petrino applied for both of them.

[GoMuskies]

'brew, I don't think you really apply for college head coaching jobs.

[xubrew]

'brew, I don't think you really apply for college head coaching jobs.

Not officially, no. But, pretty much all of them are posted in the NCAA Market, even head coaching jobs at major programs, so there is away to make an "expression of interest" without officially applying, I guess.

[xubrew]

It's a mere ten years away!!!

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/eye-on-college-football/24724512/notre-dame-texas-am-announce-home-and-home-for-2024-25

[Milhouse]

It's a mere ten years away!!!

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/eye-on-college-football/24724512/notre-dame-texas-am-announce-home-and-home-for-2024-25

Terrifying to think that I could be watching that game with a child or two around me.

[GoMuskies]

So.....Florida or Michigan??

Where will Bobby Petrino be coaching next season??

Speaking of Louisville coaches and Florida, could Florida lure Charlie Strong after only one year at Texas? It doesn't seem like it's been a particularly happy marriage so far. And I'm sure Strong would prefer Florida to UT. Muschamp for Strong trade?

[xubrew]

Speaking of Louisville coaches and Florida, could Florida lure Charlie Strong after only one year at Texas? It doesn't seem like it's been a particularly happy marriage so far. And I'm sure Strong would prefer Florida to UT. Muschamp for Strong trade?

Sure! Why not??

[xubrew]

For at least ten years now, I have believed that Bobby Petrino was similar to a big plate of buffalo hot wings and chili cheese fries. It looks fantastic. When you start eating, it feels fantastic. When you're done, you hate yourself and most of the rest of the world, and you wonder why in the hell you ever wanted it in the first place.

No one exits programs in a more explosive and spectacular fashion than Bobby Petrino. I don't know what his exit from Louisville will be like this time, but I can't wait to find out. Whatever it ends up being, Louisville will deserve it.

[GoMuskies]

It's going to be fine. His exit from WKU was orderly, planned and profitable.

His exit from Louisville the first time was actually fine. The only problem was who was hired to replace him.

[Milhouse]

Would be kinda great if he pulled a Kiffen and left after 1 year. I don't see it happening though.

[X-band '01]

It's going to be fine. His exit from WKU was orderly, planned and profitable.

His exit from Louisville the first time was actually fine. The only problem was who was hired to replace him.

Yep - it was the Falcons and Arkansas where Petrino left in a tire fire.

[paulxu]

Heartbreaker for the Gamecocks. I thought they'd be better this year.

[GoMuskies]

On a semi-related note, strange three weeks for IU: lose to Bowling Green, win at Mizzou, get smoked at home by Maryland.

[JTG]

On a semi-related note, strange three weeks for IU: lose to Bowling Green, win at Mizzou, get smoked at home by Maryland.

Not really. .IU is historically nearly the worst team in D1 football. They would have to go undefeated for 30 years just to get to .500 liifetime. The Mizzou game was a once a millennium abberation. IU sucks

[OH.X.MI]

Charlie Weis fired from Kansas... still collecting $19 mil from ND and now an additional $7 mil form Kansas. Is he the greatest con man of all time?

[GoMuskies]

Unusual to fire a guy at 2-2. Pretty clear where they're headed this year on the field, but usually you give the guy the courtesy of letting him actually lose those games before you fire him. Being an arrogant a-hole certainly did not help Chuckles here.

[Juice]

Charlie Weis fired from Kansas... still collecting $19 mil from ND and now an additional $7 mil form Kansas. Is he the greatest con man of all time?

But there's not enough money to pay college athletes....

[GoMuskies]

First world problems: Bill Snyder wears the wrong clothes on game day.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/11600351/big-12-asks-bill-snyder-kansas-state-stop-wearing-old-bowl-jackets

[Masterofreality]

The Borecats sure can score, but they sure can give up points in buckets.

If you like 100 ppg per football game, go watch SucKS. I think I have better things to do than watch Carny Football, though.

[STL_XUfan]

Heartbreaker for the Gamecocks. I thought they'd be better this year.

That was one ugly football game that neither team deserved to win (But I'll take it).

[X-band '01]

The Borecats sure can score, but they sure can give up points in buckets.

If you like 100 ppg per football game, go watch SucKS. I think I have better things to do than watch Carny Football, though.

The only "carnie" action was a Buckeye fan getting a Rock Bottom from an OSU assistant for running out onto the field.

[xubrew]

Unusual to fire a guy at 2-2. Pretty clear where they're headed this year on the field, but usually you give the guy the courtesy of letting him actually lose those games before you fire him. Being an arrogant a-hole certainly did not help Chuckles here.

I disagree. Unfortunately it seems to have worked out rather well for him.


Charlie Weis fired from Kansas... still collecting $19 mil from ND and now an additional $7 mil form Kansas. Is he the greatest con man of all time?

He's getting paid $26 million to not work. For all of you who do work, which I'm assuming is pretty much all of you, how does that make you feel??

[STL_XUfan]

He's getting paid $26 million to not work. For all of you who do work, which I'm assuming is pretty much all of you, how does that make you feel??

I blame Obama

[ammtd34]

I was able to score the rest of the tickets I needed for this weekend, so I'll be in South Bend early Saturday morning.

[GoMuskies]

It's absolutely STUNNING to me that the worst BCS league, the ACC, swallowed half of the second worst BCS conference, the Big East (minus the best Big East program), and the ACC is still really bad. STUNNING. It's a good thing for the ACC that FSU ended their hibernation. Miami stepping up would be good, too, but it's a decade and counting now.

[Juice]

It's absolutely STUNNING to me that the worst BCS league, the ACC, swallowed half of the second worst BCS conference, the Big East (minus the best Big East program), and the ACC is still really bad. STUNNING. It's a good thing for the ACC that FSU ended their hibernation. Miami stepping up would be good, too, but it's a decade and counting now.

It didn't really help Miami that the NCAA has tried to royally f*ck them the last five or so years.

[SlimKibbles]

It's absolutely STUNNING to me that the worst BCS league, the ACC, swallowed half of the second worst BCS conference, the Big East (minus the best Big East program), and the ACC is still really bad. STUNNING. It's a good thing for the ACC that FSU ended their hibernation. Miami stepping up would be good, too, but it's a decade and counting now.

Don't remind me. Been a fan since the Testaverde days. Their freshman starting QB, Brad Kaaya, has looked fantastic so far. Shows a lot of promise. It's ridiculous how many talented athletes Miami has year-after-year but has never been to the ACC title game.


It didn't really help Miami that the NCAA has tried to royally f*ck them the last five or so years.

No it hasn't. Been picking on them for 25 years now pretty much. Grant it they've invited it a number of times. I hate players getting punished for the sins of players on past teams though.

[boozehound]

I didn't mean to imply that you were. It's just in the context that espn dot com had been posting these pictures recently, it made it appear that Michigan wasn't drawing flies at their games. Though interest is certainly waning, it's not quite to the extent of the above photos. Yet.

We will be there soon. Don't worry. Next up on Brady Hoke's tour of almost comical coaching ineptitude: losing to Rutgers. I don't think I have ever seen such a regression from year 1 to year 4 for a coach. The funny thing is that Michigan should have plenty of talent (at least according to recruiting rankings) but they just aren't getting any production from their players at all.

[Milhouse]

It just seems like there is such a feeling of Apathy among all CFB fans for Michigan fans right now. Heck I even know some OSU fans that say they just feel bad for UM fans at this point.

[boozehound]

It just seems like there is such a feeling of Apathy among all CFB fans for Michigan fans right now. Heck I even know some OSU fans that say they just feel bad for UM fans at this point.

That is because Michigan hasn't really been at all relevant for almost a decade now.

[xubrew]

Michigan State is now the football school. Strangely enough, Michigan may be becoming more of the basketball school.

[RealDeal]

http://www.cbssports.com/general/writer/gregg-doyel/24731652/hoke-is-a-joke-but-nothing-funny-about-michigan-playing-with-qbs-life

[kyxu]

http://www.cbssports.com/general/writer/gregg-doyel/24731652/hoke-is-a-joke-but-nothing-funny-about-michigan-playing-with-qbs-life

Oh where would our moral compass point if it were not for Gregggg Doyel?

[xubrew]

Oh where would our moral compass point if it were not for Gregggg Doyel?

He can be a clown, but in this case he's right.

[boozehound]

Hard to imagine that Hoke and David Brandon (the AD) are still employed by the University of Michigan, particularly considering that they are both horrible at their jobs. One hopes it's only a matter of (very little) time before both are fired. If this was a good coach he might survive this, but not Hoke.

Apparently there was a rally on campus last night calling for the AD to resign. ESPN had live coverage, I believe. Just another new low for the Michigan football program.

[xubrew]

Michigan should not fire Hoke. Lets look at this....

He took over a miserable Ball State program, and got them to the point of being 12-0 and in the rankings.

He then took over a pitiful San Diego State team, and won nine games there.

Michigan needs to be absolutely pathetically, disgracefully and atrociously awful before Brady Hoke can have any real effect on them. With that in mind, I think he's doing a bang up job!!

[kyxu]

He can be a clown, but in this case he's right.

No doubt, but his self-righteousness can be insufferable.

[GoMuskies]

If you buy the premise of Doyel's argument, Texas should review the tape of Teddy Bridgewater limping around against Rutgers a couple years ago and immediately fire Charlie Strong. After all, Strong was messing around with Bridgewater's life. With his BRAIN! Ok, so Bridgewater didn't actually get hit in the head like Michigan's QB, but Strong conduct in NOT getting Bridgewater hurt was no worse than Hoke's conduct in getting his guy hurt. Sure, Michigan's QB shouldn't have gone back in after the hit, but Doyel was blaming Hoke for the damage to his QB's brain, and that happened before he was allowed to go back in and hand off.

[xubrew]

If you buy the premise of Doyel's argument, Texas should review the tape of Teddy Bridgewater limping around against Rutgers a couple years ago and immediately fire Charlie Strong. After all, Strong was messing around with Bridgewater's life. With his BRAIN! Ok, so Bridgewater didn't actually get hit in the head like Michigan's QB, but Strong conduct in NOT getting Bridgewater hurt was no worse than Hoke's conduct in getting his guy hurt. Sure, Michigan's QB shouldn't have gone back in after the hit, but Doyel was blaming Hoke for the damage to his QB's brain, and that happened before he was allowed to go back in and hand off.

Did you see the video??

Bridgewater was not drilled in the head, helped (carried) off the field by two of his teammates, and then put back into the game when it was clear to anyone with any common sense that he was in the twilight zone.

If someone is hit in the head, and then begins to wobble around, it's not a good idea to put them back in the game. I don't see any parallel at all between this and Teddy Bridgewater against Rutgers.

[GoMuskies]

Did you see the video??

Bridgewater was not drilled in the head, helped (carried) off the field by two of his teammates, and then put back into the game when it was clear to anyone with any common sense that he was in the twilight zone.

If someone is hit in the head, and then begins to wobble around, it's not a good idea to put them back in the game. I don't see any parallel at all between this and Teddy Bridgewater against Rutgers.

Doyel is blaming Hoke for his QB's brain injury in the article. That injury occurred before the action you are describing above. When he went back in the game, all the Michigan QB did was hand off.

[BandAid]

That article was more dramatic than Telemundo's daytime dramas.

[xubrew]

Doyel is blaming Hoke for his QB's brain injury in the article. That injury occurred before the action you are describing above. When he went back in the game, all the Michigan QB did was hand off.

Are you defending Michigan or bashing Doyell?? You can easily do one and not the other.

Doyell is over the top, and the ankle injury really wasn't the issue other than Michigan's actual statement was that they mistook a concussion for a sprained ankle. They further explained that one of the reasons was that they didn't see the play. I can actually believe (maybe) that none of the trainers saw the play, but even that is a stretch. Having said that, even if they didn't, how the hell does any competent person mistake a head injury for an ankle injury??

I'm sure there are people out there that watch more football than I do, but I have seen my fair amount, and I can safely say that this is not a normal thing. I don't think it's ALL Brady Hoke's fault personally, but it sure as hell is Michigan's fault. I've never heard of a player being concussed, and then staying in the game because they thought it was his ankle. I mean....WTF?? Either they're completely stupid, or they're lying.

[GoMuskies]

'brew, this is what Doyel says:

"And Michigan sure is sorry it messed up that brain, and perhaps that life, though the good news for Michigan coach Brady Hoke and everyone else responsible for what happened to sophomore quarterback Shane Morris -- and that's a pretty large list -- is that the true effects of the concussion Morris unnecessarily suffered Saturday against Minnesota won't be known for decades."

Again, if Hoke is responsible for Morris's injury and should be fired for it, Charlie Strong is just as guilty.

[xubrew]

What is Charlie Strong guilty of??

Okay, Doyell doesn't say this specifically, but it isn't so much that Morris suffered an injury. It's how it was handled afterward. First, they claimed they didn't know he had a concussion and thought it was his ankle. That is incompetence on a comedic level. Then, he reentered the game not with a bad ankle, but with a concussion. As far as I know, the protocol is pretty clear. Take him to a dark and air conditioned room. Lots of players get concussions. Almost none of them are left on the sidelines and then put back into the game.

It's not the injury itself. It was that they either failed to diagnose it despite it being painfully obvious, or that they did diagnose it and lied about not knowing about it. Charlie Strong never did anything like that. If he had, then he should have been in trouble for it. Firing him is a little extreme, but at the same time I don't think you can just let something like that go.

He received a concussion, they didn't treat him, and then they put him back in the game. If you've been paying any attention to all to college football in the past year or two, you know why that's a huge deal, right??

[GoMuskies]

It's not the injury itself.

'brew, read what Doyel wrote. He blames Hoke for the injury which, again, had ZERO to do with the QB trotting back out there. I agree that was incredibly stupid, but so is Doyel blaming the actual injury on Hoke.

"And Michigan sure is sorry it messed up that brain, and perhaps that life, though the good news for Michigan coach Brady Hoke and everyone else responsible for what happened to sophomore quarterback Shane Morris -- and that's a pretty large list -- is that the true effects of the concussion Morris unnecessarily suffered Saturday against Minnesota won't be known for decades."

[xudash]

OreGONE?

Washington, Jr. deserves idiot of the year. What a strip and fumble recovery. Major league first down. It's over.

Duck L'Orange!

[GoMuskies]

Huge win for Arizona. The playoff picture just got jumbled up a bit.

[Milhouse]

Saw a tweet last night that dubbed Oregon "Clemson West"

So so true.

I always thought Rich Rod got such a raw deal at Michigan. It's grea to see him doing well at Arizona while Michigan is a dumpster fire.

[paulxu]

Hah. Just watched a camera angle from behind the head ref looking right at players. Totally ignores an Alabama face mask grab of an Ole Miss guy, who promptly fumbles, Alabama guy picks it up and scores. Horrible missed call.

[Masterofreality]

After 21 minutes of football at The NFL Stadium being crappily occupied by a semblance of a college football team...Memphis 27- Borecats 7 with plenty of good seats available and no evidence of defense by the black clad team.

#FootballSchool

[paulxu]

Somewhere Glow is basking in it.

[xudash]

After 21 minutes of football at The NFL Stadium being crappily occupied by a semblance of a college football team...Memphis 27- Borecats 7 with plenty of good seats available and no evidence of defense by the black clad team.

#FootballSchool

I just stopped by on that channel while channel surfing the other games. Apparently, there aren't that many people who are Bearcatty in Cincinnati. Regardless of the fact that they are playing Memphis, it looks embarrassing in there.

[xudash]

BTW, I just noticed and I am very happy to report that Buick is the official vehicle of the Michigan State Spartans.

It's right there lit up on the end of their stadium for all to see. I wonder what Sean Miller thinks of that.

[Masterofreality]

I just stopped by on that channel while channel surfing the other games. Apparently, there aren't that many people who are Bearcatty in Cincinnati. Regardless of the fact that they are playing Memphis, it looks embarrassing in there.

Good luck getting that invite to the Big 12 like they've been yearning for.

Even Santa can't deliver that.

[STL_XUfan]

https://vine.co/v/OKZVgA3bXwH

Meanwhile, in Oxford, MS....

[Masterofreality]

@apjoekay: Attendance for #Cincinnati's third game at Paul Brown Stadium this season: 25,456.

May as well play at Nipple Stadium.

[Masterofreality]

https://vine.co/v/OKZVgA3bXwH

Meanwhile, in Oxford, MS....

Yeah, saw that on Twitter. Katy Perry crowd surfing in a bar after killing off another beer.

College. U gotta love it.

[Masterofreality]

I'll just leave this here.

#FootballSchool

1506

[xudash]

Good luck getting that invite to the Big 12 like they've been yearning for.

Even Santa can't deliver that.

I don't believe anyone can deliver that.

The P5 conferences already have one too many teams if they decide to go to the 4 x 16 model. Importantly, I believe there is absolutely zero chance for swapping weaker power teams with better teams that are not in that group now. Club deals typically don't work that way or do things like that. So, someone conducts a poll and learns that 90% of America believes that BYU should take Wake Forest's place. Too bad; that won't happen.

Of course, this also assumes that Notre Dame is forced into one of these four super conferences.

Either way, if this 4 x16 deal does eventually take place, it will do so by having the teams in the five existing power conferences mash down into the four hyper conferences.

There is no room in the Inn for UC or UCONN now or ever.

[xudash]

One state that begins with the letter M experienced both teams winning today.

As it stands right now, another one may end up experiencing two losses this evening.

[paulxu]

If someone spots the Gamecocks defense, please call Steve Spurrier.
It's possible that Clowney stole it when he left town.

[vee4xu]

And meanwhile, lurking in the woods assessing its prey, THE Ohio State University Buckeyes are getting better and better each week.

[coasterville95]

I'll just leave this here.

#FootballSchool

1506

Time stamp on that poto is like 10:28pm - the game was just about officially over then, it was realistically over by halftime, or maybe the end of the 3rd quarter if you want to be generous,

The crowd was a bit better the first half, I think many of their 'fans' got up to get a beer at halftime, looked at the $10 beer price at Paul Brown, felt the nasty cold snap in the weather, noted how bad they were playing, and just kept walking back to their cars.

The most entertaining part of the evening might have been the post game fireworks show, enjoyed by the tens of us that actually stayed to the end.

TO be fair to the other school in Cincinnati, the upper level is roped off. Then again if they were a real football school with ACC or Big 12 aspirations, they should be able to fill that stadium for a conference foe

[coasterville95]

Actually it was so bad that by the 3rd quarter 95% of the STUDENT section decided they had better things to do. With 7 minutes left in the game, I think the only students there were the ones obligated to be either through being on the team, the band, or cheer.

[Masterofreality]

Well, Coaster,

25,000 on a Saturday night is truly MAC-esque. There was nothing else going on in Cincinnati last night. Marshall draws more in Huntington.

#FootballSchool

[GoMuskies]

Yesterday was pretty insane. Not that there was much doubt anyway, but Notre Dame is now assured of a playoff spot by going undefeated. FSU is a solid #1 for the first time, but if you look at the computers, they think FSU is super shaky. Shaky enough that Sagarin would favor Louisville in their October 30 tilt against FSU if the game was played this week. Depending on how far Alabama falls, there will be 4 SEC West teams in the top 6 or 7 this week. Michigan State and Ohio State are very much alive for playoff berths despite the Big Ten sucking and both of them having losses (Michigan State certainly would have the better case if they win out because losing at Oregon is much more acceptable than losing at home to VPI). BYU missed a golden opportunity, because all of the swirl at the top would have given them a chance to make a big move. It's a month old, but ECU missed out as well, because South Carolina is obviously pretty awful, and ECU should have beaten them. Win that game, and ECU is in the top 10 after what happened this weekend.

I have no idea who will end up in the playoffs at this point. I don't think anyone from the ACC will get in, and I think FSU will knock out Notre Dame in Tallahassee. The SEC is likely to get two spots from among Auburn, Alabama, Ole Miss and Miss. State (I suppose Georgia could play their way in by winning out, but I just can't see Georgia managing that). The Big Ten might sneak someone else in there, but Oregon, Oklahoma, TCU, Baylor and Arizona all probably still have dibs over anyone from the Big Ten if they win out, so the Big Ten needs help. It's a great year for the playoff to kick in, because I'm not sure I ever remember a year when things were so wide open.

[paulxu]

It's a month old, but ECU missed out as well, because South Carolina is obviously pretty awful, and ECU should have beaten them. Win that game, and ECU is in the top 10 after what happened this weekend.

We suck. But not that bad.

[Milhouse]

Has there been a better college football saturday?

I was watching for nearly 10 hours Saturday.

Between the historic amount of upsets and the variety of games it was one for the ages. Not too mention perfect fall weather paired with pumpkin beer and grilled burgers. Doesn't get much better.

Feelin a lot better about ND after that game. Sounding like they will get the players back soon. Can only help the D (which has been spectacular all things considered).

Kevarie Russel will be a gamechanger against FSU if he can return. If not I think its a for sure loss.

[ammtd34]

Has there been a better college football saturday?

I was watching for nearly 10 hours Saturday.

Between the historic amount of upsets and the variety of games it was one for the ages. Not too mention perfect fall weather paired with pumpkin beer and grilled burgers. Doesn't get much better.

Feelin a lot better about ND after that game. Sounding like they will get the players back soon. Can only help the D (which has been spectacular all things considered).

Kevarie Russel will be a gamechanger against FSU if he can return. If not I think its a for sure loss.

If they get reinstated, hopefully their heads are right. I know they're frustrated with the whole situation.

Saturday was really cold and the rain didn't stop the entire game. It was worth it to see one great drive.

[GoMuskies]

Cincinnati is a 17.5 point underdog at Miami?!? Is Gunner Kiel hurt or something? That's a strange line, because Miami is not particularly good.

[GoMuskies]

We suck. But not that bad.

If South Carolina played ECU again today, they'd be a solid underdog.

[paulxu]

I would have thought they'd sell out the Carrier Dome to see the #1 team.

[GoMuskies]

UC is, uh, not good. Nor is Mizzou.

[paulxu]

Would not have guess MSS could hang 21 on Auburn before the 1st quarter is over.
Long time to go, but that's impressive.

[xudash]

Would not have guess MSS could hang 21 on Auburn before the 1st quarter is over.
Long time to go, but that's impressive.

Credit to MSU, but Auburn also blew itself up in the first couple minutes. Long way to go.

[xudash]

...and MSU returns the favor.

[GoMuskies]

Watching Louisville is painful. The defense is so good...and the offense is so bad. Not what you expect from a Bobby Petrino team.

[GoMuskies]

Cannot believe Louisville lost. Clemson sucks.

[paulxu]

Someone call that 12th man guy.

[xudash]

Someone call a headhunter for Foley at Florida. Muschump is toast.

[STL_XUfan]

Nor is Mizzou.

I wish I could refute this, but I just can't as it is a completely accurate statement.

[Masterofreality]

Cincinnati is a 17.5 point underdog at Miami?!? Is Gunner Kiel hurt or something? That's a strange line, because Miami is not particularly good.

Lost by 21, that with scoring 34 points.

SucKS has the worst defense I think I have ever seen. They can score, but tissue paper on D. They'll probably be competitive in that second rate league of their's though.

The Tommy Tuberville era is in effect!

[Strange Brew]

So Miss St jumps Fla St in the polls which I find to be very interesting because as far as I can tell the SEC'$ best non conference win is against Wisky. So once again SEC teams jump to the top by beating themselves. For goodness sake, Mizzou was somehow ranked last week after losing to IU. That's the football team not the hoops squad. Let that sink in for a moment.

[Milhouse]

Put a defense and some P5 receivers around Kiel and he can easily lead a top 10 team.

Would've really competed with Golson for the starting position. Too bad he's afraid of competition.

[Masterofreality]

Put a defense and some P5 receivers around Kiel and he can easily lead a top 10 team.

Defense= 11 guys. P5 receivers = 4 guys. that would be 15 out of 22 starters. Bad percentage. 68% horrible = SucKS.

By the way, a guy who takes his ball and goes elsewhere rather than competes, you don't want. #LOSER

[xubrew]

CBS has decided to pick up Mississippi State at Kentucky as their featured game of the week.

I'm sure that's the one everyone had circled back at the start of the season.

[Masterofreality]

CBS has decided to pick up Mississippi State at Kentucky as their featured game of the week.

I'm sure that's the one everyone had circled back at the start of the season.

Well, Kentucky did best Vandy....there's that.

[GoMuskies]

I think Jameis Winston may finally break college football for good.

[Milhouse]

Welp been waiting all year for this game Saturday. Time to take down the bad guy.

[ammtd34]

Welp been waiting all year for this game Saturday. Time to take down the bad guy.

I watched the '93 game last night on the Watch ND app. I remember how cool I felt during the actual game because the guys in my family went to my uncle's house (no women allowed). I begged my dad to take me, and he relented. I got soaked with beer when Wooden knocked down that pass.

[GoMuskies]

FSU as a 10-12 point favorite in this game is crazy. It should be more like 3 or 4. Basically two even teams with FSU getting a bump for being at home.

[xubrew]

I'll be at the ND v FSU game. I actually don't think it will even be as close as the spread. Notre Dame just hasn't looked that good to me. Having said that, to say that Florida State is having to deal with some off the field issues would be the understatement of the decade.

My prediction is that Florida State wins by three touchdowns, but then vacates the win two years down the road.

[GoMuskies]

FSU hasn't looked good, either. I think one of these two is likely to make the playoffs, but I think whichever one makes it will be the fourth best of the four teams involved.

[ammtd34]

FSU hasn't looked good, either. I think one of these two is likely to make the playoffs, but I think whichever one makes it will be the fourth best of the four teams involved.

I think the winner makes the playoffs and agree FSU hasn't looked good yet. ND didn't look good for much of 2012 (I was at that ridiculous Pitt game), but they stayed in it simply because they kept winning. One day, KSU and Oregon lost and ND was there.

[Milhouse]

Brew that is awesome you are going.

I'll either be a very sad or very happy ND fan wandering the streets of Cincinnati late Saturday night. Time will tell.

[Masterofreality]

Just a reminder...

The Borecats SucK.

But they do get to play that AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC powerhouse - 0-5 SMU this weekend.

[ammtd34]

Brew that is awesome you are going.

I'll either be a very sad or very happy ND fan wandering the streets of Cincinnati late Saturday night. Time will tell.

I don't live in Cincinnati, but I've been the sad one before. I watched ND vs UConn at Nicholson's before Phish in 2009. The next year, I watched the MSU fake field goal game at Maloney's by MSJ with my brother. I almost murdered a guy in a MSU jersey.

[xudash]

FSU as a 10-12 point favorite in this game is crazy. It should be more like 3 or 4. Basically two even teams with FSU getting a bump for being at home.

A couple of my FSU Friends who are pretty well-connected to the program are expecting a blowout tomorrow. Granted they are FSU fans, but the word they are getting is that the FSU team is developing a bunker mentality in Tallahassee, gathering around their beleaguered, idiot quarterback. They also pointed out that Winston seems to get more focused within his own bubble while on the field during games.

We'll see soon enough tomorrow, but both programs clearly understand the significance of this game as far as the playoff picture is concerned.

[paulxu]

Saban must be mad at somebody.

[GoMuskies]

Saban must be mad at somebody.

He's mad at AmX.

Bettors love ND. That line is down to 8. Bettors are often wrong, though.

[GoMuskies]

My Cards are now 4-2 in the ACC. Which, of course, is conclusive evidence that the ACC is very bad.

[xudash]

Gholston is heading to the locker room, but Notre Dame came to play.

Gators. Too funny.

[Strange Brew]

Time for ND to leave the ACC and join the Big East, eliminating the reason to play games against the ACC and their 12th man in stripes.

[GoMuskies]

You can't be complaining about the offensive interference call. You just can't be.

[Strange Brew]

You can't be complaining about the offensive interference call. You just can't be.

Really?? Watch it again. Who initiates contact and holds? The FSU DB held the hell out of of Procise (#20) off the line and proceeds to pull him towards the ground. Horrendous call. I've noticed that as the night has progressed the talking heads at ESPN/ABC are walking back their certainty of the accuracy of the call.

Looking forward to the game against the Cards.. Hope ND becomes very, very angry and mean after this one...They should be.

[GoMuskies]

It was blatant. I had ND on the moneyline, so I wanted them to win, but that was not even close.

[STL_XUfan]

This is one of the most absurd stat lines I have ever seen. Mizzou had the same number of scoring plays (7) as first downs.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/t31.0-8/10604058_952940263198_2586559055797960665_o.jpg

[GoMuskies]

My thoughts after week 8....

The playoff picture is a complete mess at this point, but listening to the "experts" talk about it is painful. Most of this is going to sort itself out, and my guess is that the top 3 end up being pretty non-controversial, and we end up just having a fight over who is #4. To me, that makes the system 1,000 times better than the old system, because if you're just fighting over who the 3rd and 4th best teams are no one is REALLY getting screwed. If you get beat out for the fourth spot, your solution is to just be better and fight for first or second instead. We shouldn't have any situations anymore like they one we had with Auburn going through the SEC undefeated and losing out to preseason #1 and #2 USC and Oklahoma who also went undefeated.

I'm still not sure either FSU or Notre Dame are top 5 teams, but I was more impressed than I expected to be with either team yesterday. Very rarely does the hyped up primetime Saturday night game live up to the hype, and this one did. Great game all around.

Its been clear for some time that Bill Snyder is a magician with what he's done at K-State, but after yesterday I have to consider the possibility that he's a witch, too. How else to explain the performance of Oklahoma's kicker. K-State really should have beaten Auburn, but I still have to think they'll have every opportunity to make the playoff field if they can somehow beat Baylor and TCU, too.

Speaking of the Big XII (10), I guess I wrote off Holgerson too soon at WV. WV's fans didn't disappoint, with the game briefly having to be stopped while WV fans threw debris on the field, but huge win for them against Baylor.

How can the ACC be so bad year after year after year. It's kind of an amazing phenomenon. It's a whole conference full of "sleeping giants". FSU finally woke up, but programs like Clemson, VaTech, Pitt, Syracuse, North Carolina, Miami and Georgia Tech have been mostly sleeping for quite a while now. The Coastal Division is a complete joke.

Cincinnati beat SMU 41-3 yesterday. The 41 part isn't a surprise. UC has a really nice offense, and SMU's defense is awful. But the 3?!? How could SMU's offense be THAT bad. June Jones recruited these players and was their coach until early September. He should have been forced to stick around a coach this bunch. A good high school team should score more than 3 on that sieve of a defense UC puts on the field.

Looks like ECU or Marshall for the "access" bowl. Two really good programs in two mediocre and awful, respectively, conferences. Marshall should win out, as their schedule was pretty bad, but ECU will get the nod if they win out. ECU goes to Temple and UC and hosts UCF to finish the year. Seems like the only chances for an ECU loss. I think we might see our very own Porkopolis down at Paul Brown Stadium cheering like crazy for the Bearcats on Thursday, November 13th when the Pirates visit. If UC is to win the game, it would have to be something like 56-52, though. ECU's got a potent offense, and we've already talked about the Bearcat "defense".

[OH.X.MI]

Really?? Watch it again. Who initiates contact and holds? The FSU DB held the hell out of of Procise (#20) off the line and proceeds to pull him towards the ground. Horrendous call. I've noticed that as the night has progressed the talking heads at ESPN/ABC are walking back their certainty of the accuracy of the call.

Looking forward to the game against the Cards.. Hope ND becomes very, very angry and mean after this one...They should be.

I agree terrible terrible call. If a flag had to be thrown it should have been defensive holding. I've watched the play 50 times still cannot understand it. Absolutely loath winston and that moron jimbo fisher.

[Strange Brew]

It was blatant. I had ND on the moneyline, so I wanted them to win, but that was not even close.

Agree, blatant defensive holding by FSU.

[OH.X.MI]

Agree, blatant defensive holding by FSU.

You mean blatant like this Brew?

1509

[Strange Brew]

You mean blatant like this Brew?

1509

Yep and as the play continues the DB pulls down on #20's left shoulder. Also notice that 20's arms are down through the entire play and he has no chance to get into his route. At worst the ND receivers allowed themselves to be jammed....which is not a penalty.

[Porkopolis]

I think we might see our very own Porkopolis down at Paul Brown Stadium cheering like crazy for the Bearcats on Thursday, November 13th when the Pirates visit. If UC is to win the game, it would have to be something like 56-52, though. ECU's got a potent offense, and we've already talked about the Bearcat "defense".

Yes, you just might. I'll feel dirty doing it, though. This Herd team is really, really good but I want them to get a chance to prove it against a quality opponent. The non-conference schedules are better starting next year (opening in Huntington against Purdue vs. opening in Oxford versus Miami, for instance; Louisville comes in after that). Marshall has suffered badly from conference realignment. C-USA is a flaming pile of dog snot.

For the record, Marshall ran up and down the field against ECU last year in the final regular season game. That is why ECU's perception as superior gets under my skin a bit. Their signature win against VPI looks a bit less impressive right now, too.

[GoMuskies]

Wasn't Louisville supposed to go to Huntington this year? I think it was this year, and Louisville had to move the game because of the unexpected move to the ACC and obligation to go to South Bend this year. If that's right, it's too bad for Marshall, because that would have been an extremely winnable game against a team that will likely finish in the top half of a P5 conference. That's about as good as anything ECU has done and minus the loss the Pirates took against a pretty average Gamecock squad.

[Porkopolis]

Wasn't Louisville supposed to go to Huntington this year? I think it was this year, and Louisville had to move the game because of the unexpected move to the ACC and obligation to go to South Bend this year. If that's right, it's too bad for Marshall, because that would have been an extremely winnable game against a team that will likely finish in the top half of a P5 conference. That's about as good as anything ECU has done and minus the loss the Pirates took against a pretty average Gamecock squad.

Yes, it was a last minute change to 2016. WVU also chose not to renew the series with Marshall; that one would have been huge. So instead Marshall ended up with Rhode Island and a lot of MACtion on the schedule.

[paulxu]

minus the loss the Pirates took against a pretty average Gamecock squad.

Normally I would be very offended. Hard to do that this year. You are correct sir. (This time)

[xubrew]

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/10/19/7001719/florida-state-notre-dame-penalty-offensive-pass-interference

In basketball, that's entirely legal. In fact, that was a pretty nice screen the two ND players set. In football.....not so much. It was an obvious pick, and they could have called it on not one, but two different players.

[xubrew]

Meanwhile, in West Virginia....

http://ban.jo/News/US-Canada/20141019/Chaos-Erupts-At-West-Virginia-University-Morgantown/

[Strange Brew]

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/10/19/7001719/florida-state-notre-dame-penalty-offensive-pass-interference

In basketball, that's entirely legal. In fact, that was a pretty nice screen the two ND players set. In football.....not so much. It was an obvious pick, and they could have called it on not one, but two different players.

Funny, your article states the foul was on Prosise who's Jersey is being pulled in the photo. But it wasn't it was on Fuller. Apparently if a DB jumps your drag route and runs into you it's OPI. It was a bad call, made late by an official on the opposite side of the field.

[GoMuskies]

I'm shocked (SHOCKED!) that ND fans (other than Lou Holtz) thought it was a bad call, and everyone else in the world knows it was the right call (and frankly missed earlier in the game). Shocked.

[Strange Brew]

I'm shocked (SHOCKED!) that ND fans (other than Lou Holtz) thought it was a bad call, and everyone else in the world knows it was the right call (and frankly missed earlier in the game). Shocked.

Everyone in the world???

In reality it was a blown coverage and not a pick as the man (#26) who had #88 in coverage was never touched by an ND player. Which is why the DB's were arguing with each other after the play and one of them took off his helmet, a penalty the ACC refs shockingly missed.

Anyway, ND needs to win out and get into the playoff

[xubrew]

Look at this, will you??

To say that it's not a pick is kind of like saying that Kevin McKale didn't foul Kurt Rambis. It's so blatant that when I first saw it my first thought was that Fuller thought it was supposed to be a running play. He gets out there and throws a block. To say this isn't a pick is laughable.


https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/3298649E861135469641834364928_2a09ba49bac.5.1.6403 82532488847293.mp4?versionId=RupcUgdzgOPws_QPJnqLd jDoxxU_tdKA

[kyxu]

Look at this, will you??


https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/3298649E861135469641834364928_2a09ba49bac.5.1.6403 82532488847293.mp4?versionId=RupcUgdzgOPws_QPJnqLd jDoxxU_tdKA

Interestingly, people have posted that same video to support the argument that the receiver did *not* pick the defender.

[X-band '01]

There are just some calls that can't be a no-call. (And yes, Emp, I know it's a double-negative) Should Rob Lowery have been allowed to walk away after his "punch" of Tu Holloway right in front of an official? You cannot have it both ways ND fans.

[bleedXblue]

I would ask isn't the receiver allowed to run straight ahead and run his route? I don't think the DB would have made the play anyway. I can see why ND are upset.

[kyxu]

I would ask isn't the receiver allowed to run straight ahead and run his route? I don't think the DB would have made the play anyway. I can see why ND are upset.

Yeah, but the problem is that though the receiver #7 (the one who was actually flagged) did not initiate the contact, he did not make any attempt to disengage from the defender and kept his hands on the defender as if he were blocking, and that's why the official had to throw the flag. But I don't think the infraction was as blatant as everyone is making it out to be. It was a judgment call that no one (aside from maybe Jimbo Fisher) would be talking about had the flag not been thrown.

I think the toughest thing for Notre Dame fans is that the infraction was completely unnecessary in order for the play to be successful. FSU completely blew the coverage. Had the ND receivers simply come off the line of scrimmage, fell to the turf, and went into convulsions, #88 on ND would have still walked into the end zone with the football.

[Milhouse]

I think the toughest thing for Notre Dame fans is that the infraction was completely unnecessary in order for the play to be successful. FSU completely blew the coverage. Had the ND receivers simply come off the line of scrimmage, fell to the turf, and went into convulsions, #88 on ND would have still walked into the end zone with the football.


This man. This. I had already done a full lap around the bar by the time we all realized there was a flag on the play. It was a huge bummer. I sat in the stands and watched ND get dominated by Alabama, but this loss hurt soooooooo much more (although much less on the wallet).

Looking ahead though this team can pick itself up and get into the playoff. I don't see a reason why they can't win their remaining games even if this is the best game they play on the season.

Reminds me soooo much of the Bush Push game and how I felt after that. And probably the best game ND has played since then.

In year 5 Kelly has his guys and there should be absolutely 0 doubt that ND is now elite again. Say what you will about FSU, they still have a 22 game win streak, defending national champs, a Heisman Trophy Winner, and played at Home.

ND returns 20 out of 22 starters next year. Then add to that Kevarie Russel, who will arguably be an upgrade over Cody Riggs (Not that Riggs is having a bad year by any means). It's hard to not be excited about next year already, but still tons left to play for this year.

I love saturdays in the fall.

[bleedXblue]

Yeah, but the problem is that though the receiver #7 (the one who was actually flagged) did not initiate the contact, he did not make any attempt to disengage from the defender and kept his hands on the defender as if he were blocking, and that's why the official had to throw the flag. But I don't think the infraction was as blatant as everyone is making it out to be. It was a judgment call that no one (aside from maybe Jimbo Fisher) would be talking about had the flag not been thrown.

I think the toughest thing for Notre Dame fans is that the infraction was completely unnecessary in order for the play to be successful. FSU completely blew the coverage. Had the ND receivers simply come off the line of scrimmage, fell to the turf, and went into convulsions, #88 on ND would have still walked into the end zone with the football.


Yes this exactly.

You can actually see the FSU defender start to cut to the middle AWAY from the receiver prior to any contact. Blown coverage. Just not a good call. And I am not a ND homer by any stretch........just hate to see these types of calls made in big game situations where everything is riding on the line.

[xubrew]

I would ask isn't the receiver allowed to run straight ahead and run his route? I don't think the DB would have made the play anyway. I can see why ND are upset.

There can be contact within five yards before the ball is in the air, or if the ball is thrown and does not cross the line of scrimmage.

On a screen pass, where the ball doesn't cross the line, you can have ineligible receivers down field and down field blocking by receivers, and it's not a penalty. Same if it's a running play (obviously).

On a pass where the ball crosses the line of scrimmage, which this one clearly did, it's a penalty.

I don't know what everyone else is looking at. Seriously. Like I said earlier, to me the pick was so obvious that I assumed Fuller and the other player thought that it was supposed to either be a run or a screen pass. I just don't see how you can look at that and see it any other way. It's like trying to argue that a stop sign is a green hexagon.

[ammtd34]

Talking about whether or not it should have been called is fine. I didn't like it but see why it was called. I just wish people would stop calling it a pick. The guy responsible for Robinson wasn't touched. He wasn't even close to Robinson, so it wasn't necessary anyway.

No one that thinks it was a good call is going to have their mind changed. The same goes for people who don't think it was a good call. The screen shots showing FSU initiating contact on both receivers was telling to me. I also know what it looks like at full speed on video.

[NY44]

Isn't every single screen play a pass interference then?

[GoMuskies]

Isn't every single screen play a pass interference then?

Not if the receiver catches the ball behind the line of scrimmage.

[paulxu]

It's like trying to argue that a stop sign is a green hexagon.

That settles it then.

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3016/2990758892_5872255bcb_q.jpg

[xubrew]

That's still an octagon, not a hexagon.

Anyway, back to the game, Notre Dame is tons better than I gave them credit for. If they play like that, I think they will win out and get in. I was more impressed with them than anything. They sweat out North Carolina and Stanford, who really isn't that good, at home. They didn't exactly bury a mediocre Purdue team either. But, they took Florida State to the wall at FSU, and really did outplay them. When I said I thought ND would lose by three touchdowns, I wasn't kidding. They're a lot better than I thought....or at least they looked it the other night.

[Masterofreality]

Everyone knows I'm no Notre Dame fan, but it sure looked like a pick play to me. The thing is that Notre Dame did the same thing on an earlier touchdown, but it wasn't called. No hate, but my 3rd party logical opinion.

The inconsistency is mind boggling.

[LA Muskie]

I don't think there's any question that was designed as a pick play. I also don't think there's any reasonable doubt the pick was, in this instance, unnecessary. I can see the argument this should have been a non-call. I'm probably in that camp. But it was a pick (albeit on blown coverage), and hence it was a foul. So while the refs could have bailed ND out (and one could say they did so earlier in the game), I don't think you can rely on being bailed out of a clear foul and/or complain that you weren't.

[xubrew]

Talking about whether or not it should have been called is fine. I didn't like it but see why it was called. I just wish people would stop calling it a pick. The guy responsible for Robinson wasn't touched. He wasn't even close to Robinson, so it wasn't necessary anyway.

No one that thinks it was a good call is going to have their mind changed. The same goes for people who don't think it was a good call. The screen shots showing FSU initiating contact on both receivers was telling to me. I also know what it looks like at full speed on video.

If they're not going to call it a pick, what do you think they should call it??

You're not the first person I've heard say that. To me, it sounds the same as someone saying they shouldn't call it an offensive foul because it was a charge. A receiver throwing a block when the ball is in the air is called a pick, is it not??

I only have a C- knowledge of football, but I'm pretty sure that's a pick.

[bleedXblue]

Where I think there is a difference with this situation is that the defender actually moves AWAY from the receiver he was supposed to cover and initiates contact first. Once he's engaged with the ND receiver, he realizes he blew the coverage and tries to make his way in that direction.

Was the play designed to actually pick the defender......maybe I guess. Was the defender fooled? YES. Was the defender picked? Maybe, but it had no bearing on the result of the play.

If the defender was clearly moving in the direction of the receiver to make a play on the ball.......I think unquestionably, its a penalty. That's not what happened.

[xudash]

Where I think there is a difference with this situation is that the defender actually moves AWAY from the receiver he was supposed to cover and initiates contact first. Once he's engaged with the ND receiver, he realizes he blew the coverage and tries to make his way in that direction.

Was the play designed to actually pick the defender......maybe I guess. Was the defender fooled? YES. Was the defender picked? Maybe, but it had no bearing on the result of the play.

If the defender was clearly moving in the direction of the receiver to make a play on the ball.......I think unquestionably, its a penalty. That's not what happened.

I have no dog in this hunt, but I doubt that the concept of "intent" would ever receive any credence in these situations.

[LA Muskie]

I have no dog in this hunt, but I doubt that the concept of "intent" would ever receive any credence in these situations.
I agree. But I can see the "no harm, no foul" argument" here. If a pass is uncatchable, it's not defensive pass interference no matter how egregious the contact. Applying that same rule of reason, if the defender could not have gotten to the receiver in time to prevent (or try to prevent) the catch even without the interference, perhaps the foul shouldn't be called. The problem is that the earlier in a play that contact occurs, the more subjective that call gets. And a defensive player picked off a play is not only impeded from making a play on the ball, but also from making a play after the catch.

[ammtd34]

If they're not going to call it a pick, what do you think they should call it??

You're not the first person I've heard say that. To me, it sounds the same as someone saying they shouldn't call it an offensive foul because it was a charge. A receiver throwing a block when the ball is in the air is called a pick, is it not??

I only have a C- knowledge of football, but I'm pretty sure that's a pick.


To me, it's the same as in basketball. No basketball player picks their own man. The guy responsible for Robinson wasn't even touched.

Again, I see why it was called. I was just getting into the semantics of how it's being discussed.

[NY44]

I have no dog in this hunt, but I doubt that the concept of "intent" would ever receive any credence in these situations.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but intent is definitely a factor in pass interference. The call is for players who are preventing another player from trying to make a play on the ball.

[xudash]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but intent is definitely a factor in pass interference. The call is for players who are preventing another player from trying to make a play on the ball.

I believe you are misunderstanding me. I was responding directly to bleed's post. So, on that note, maybe I'm misunderstanding bleedXblue!

[bleedXblue]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but intent is definitely a factor in pass interference. The call is for players who are preventing another player from trying to make a play on the ball.

No way the defender could have made a play on that pass unless his arms were 25 feet long. He committed in the wrong direction and then engage with the WR.

I like the analogy earlier......its similar to an uncatchable pass. He had no chance of making a play on the ball.

[xubrew]

To me, it's the same as in basketball. No basketball player picks their own man. The guy responsible for Robinson wasn't even touched.

Again, I see why it was called. I was just getting into the semantics of how it's being discussed.

This isn't basketball.

A "pick" is the designated name for that particular penalty. If an eligible receiver blocks a defensive player and the ball is thrown past the line of scrimmage, it's a pick.

[xubrew]

No way the defender could have made a play on that pass unless his arms were 25 feet long. He committed in the wrong direction and then engage with the WR.

I like the analogy earlier......its similar to an uncatchable pass. He had no chance of making a play on the ball.

It's not similar to an uncatchable pass. The rule is different.

Ineligible receivers down field oftentimes have no impact whatsoever on the play, and are in no position to actually catch the ball. Yet, it's still called. I'd go so far to say that most penalties don't have any actual impact on a play.

An eligible receiver cannot throw a block when the ball is thrown past the line of scrimmage until after the catch is made. It's one thing to say that you think it's a crappy rule, but I don't see how anyone can say that it wasn't correctly called.

I wasn't even rooting against Notre Dame. I didn't think they had a chance and found myself rooting for them. But, that doesn't warp my sense of reality. It was an obvious pick.

[LA Muskie]

Ineligible receivers down field oftentimes have no impact whatsoever on the play, and are in no position to actually catch the ball. Yet, it's still called. I'd go so far to say that most penalties don't have any actual impact on a play.
Not sure I agree with this. An ineligible receiver downfield will often pull a defensive back out of coverage, such that it may affect the play. Much like a non-scoring player in off-sides position in soccer.

I'm not saying the pick rule is subject to a judgment call. But I think it's fair to question whether it should be. Especially when the location and timing of the pick and catch make it highly unlikely the outcome of the play would have been any different.

[xubrew]

I was thinking more along the lines of an offensive lineman who goes several yards past the line of scrimmage when the quarterback is scrambling, and is called for being ineligible down field. That player is not pulling any DBs out of coverage. Most DBs probably aren't even aware of it.

[LA Muskie]

I was thinking more along the lines of an offensive lineman who goes several yards past the line of scrimmage when the quarterback is scrambling, and is called for being ineligible down field. That player is not pulling any DBs out of coverage. Most DBs probably aren't even aware of it.
This is true.

[Strange Brew]

Interesting article on the history of the ref who threw the flag and his multiple dubious calls against ND. Including calling the last play an interception. Not that it mattered but it's not even close.

http://irishturningpoint.com/?p=7917

[paulxu]

Every school should have their own Cahill.

[kyxu]

Interesting article on the history of the ref who threw the flag and his multiple dubious calls against ND. Including calling the last play an interception. Not that it mattered but it's not even close.

http://irishturningpoint.com/?p=7917

You can't be serious with that.

I can understand Notre Dame's frustration, but they need to get over it, and quickly. Their schedule doesn't get much easier, and if they dwell too much on what occurred in Tallahassee, they could lose at least two more games and the outcome at FSU won't really matter.

[GoMuskies]

You can't be serious with that.


Sort of reminds me of the Kentucky basketball fans who keep track of Kentucky's record with certain officials calling their games.

[Milhouse]

It's an interesting read. Especially if he's a hurricane fan. But at the same time I'm not one for conspiracy theories in sports.

It happened games over, not getting that one back. What sucks more than anything is them going into a bye week with that game hanging over their heads.

[kyxu]

What sucks more than anything is them going into a bye week with that game hanging over their heads.

May suck for the fans, but the bye may be just what the team needs, especially with Navy (who often gives Notre Dame fits) as the next game. The young defense will need some time to get coached on the triple option, which destroys inexperienced and undisciplined teams.

[Xville]

The NCAA is going to quickly realize that they screwed up once again. Not sure if this has been mentioned here, but this four team playoff is a disaster waiting to happen just like the BCS National Championsip game was. The four team playoff is certainly better than what we had before, but you would think the NCAA would have had the foresight (yeah right!) to realize that wasn't going to fix much. There are five "power conferences" so no matter what, at least one conference champion is going to be denied the playoff, and it may even be a one loss team. Heck there might even be two or three power conference champions this year left out if there are 2 SEC teams and Notre Dame in there. They should have went straight to an 8 team playoff...5 Automatic conference champions and then three at large. I think that would solve a lot of the problem, and it still wouldn't be overkill in the number of teams involved.

[LA Muskie]

The NCAA is going to quickly realize that they screwed up once again. Not sure if this has been mentioned here, but this four team playoff is a disaster waiting to happen just like the BCS National Championsip game was. The four team playoff is certainly better than what we had before, but you would think the NCAA would have had the foresight (yeah right!) to realize that wasn't going to fix much. There are five "power conferences" so no matter what, at least one conference champion is going to be denied the playoff, and it may even be a one loss team. Heck there might even be two or three power conference champions this year left out if there are 2 SEC teams and Notre Dame in there. They should have went straight to an 8 team playoff...5 Automatic conference champions and then three at large. I think that would solve a lot of the problem, and it still wouldn't be overkill in the number of teams involved.
Everyone knows this. But the NCAA (and its "benefactors") don't handle change well. Baby steps...baby steps. As soon as they figure out how to divvy up the pot for an 8-team playoff, we'll have one.

[xudash]

The NCAA is going to quickly realize that they screwed up once again. Not sure if this has been mentioned here, but this four team playoff is a disaster waiting to happen just like the BCS National Championsip game was. The four team playoff is certainly better than what we had before, but you would think the NCAA would have had the foresight (yeah right!) to realize that wasn't going to fix much. There are five "power conferences" so no matter what, at least one conference champion is going to be denied the playoff, and it may even be a one loss team. Heck there might even be two or three power conference champions this year left out if there are 2 SEC teams and Notre Dame in there. They should have went straight to an 8 team playoff...5 Automatic conference champions and then three at large. I think that would solve a lot of the problem, and it still wouldn't be overkill in the number of teams involved.

Just asking, but doesn't this new Power 5 coalition determine the playoff structure? I don't believe the NCAA called the ball on this one.

I tend to agree with you, but the counter argument, which is about getting four teams into a playoff to yield the two best finalists, is much better than the BCS structure; people making this argument tend to take the position that the left-out numbers 5 and up were very unlikely to make the championship game.

Counterargument to that? Expand it to 8 and let them determine it on the field. In other words, basketball works just fine with a more meaningful bracketing of teams, and "upsets" do happen.

[GoMuskies]

I can't get too worked up about any team that cannot crack the top 4.Other than maybe Boise State in '04 (and not really), I cannot think of a single team that had a legitimate claim to a national title that would have been left out given the current system. We may have some disputes around the edges, but unless something crazy happens (all five P5 conferences having an undefeated champ) a team only has itself to blame if it cannot crack the top 4.

[xubrew]

My belief is that it's not a true playoff if teams are being left off and not played off. Marshall can win all their games and still not get in.

Now, I'm not niave enough to think that Marshall deserves to be in the top four, nor do I think they are legitimate national title contenders. But, I do think that they, and everyone else, should be played off. Let them play until someone beats them. Don't just leave them off on a presumption. Let it happen on the field. FBS football is literally the only major sport in the world that does it that way. Every other level of college football has a playoff that ties in everyone (albeit very loosely in some cases).

[GoMuskies]

http://www.youtube.com/embed/8olkr9MLvj0

Pretty funny video of some obnoxious ND fans at FSU. I got a few laughs out of this as well as a reminder to curb my drinking just a bit at the tailgate before the Louisville/ND game in South Bend. I don't want to be the obnoxious drunk in another team's stadium (again).

[Porkopolis]

My belief is that it's not a true playoff if teams are being left off and not played off. Marshall can win all their games and still not get in.

Now, I'm not niave enough to think that Marshall deserves to be in the top four, nor do I think they are legitimate national title contenders. But, I do think that they, and everyone else, should be played off. Let them play until someone beats them. Don't just leave them off on a presumption. Let it happen on the field. FBS football is literally the only major sport in the world that does it that way. Every other level of college football has a playoff that ties in everyone (albeit very loosely in some cases).
Yep. The first year Marshall made it to the National Championship (1987) in 1-AA they did so as the 16 Seed. Give everyone who wins their conference a chance and leave room for a few at large teams. That way anyone who has a remote claim can earn it on the field.

[Milhouse]

http://www.youtube.com/embed/8olkr9MLvj0

Pretty funny video of some obnoxious ND fans at FSU. I got a few laughs out of this as well as a reminder to curb my drinking just a bit at the tailgate before the Louisville/ND game in South Bend. I don't want to be the obnoxious drunk in another team's stadium (again).

I've never understand that mentality really, I love a little back handed smack talk but at the end of the day I'm pretty quiet in an opposing teams stadium....UD Arena conditioned me to be that way.

[ammtd34]

I've never understand that mentality really, I love a little back handed smack talk but at the end of the day I'm pretty quiet in an opposing teams stadium....UD Arena conditioned me to be that way.

Same. I enjoy talking to the people around me. It also helps when some idiot inevitably starts heckling me that the rest of my section is already on my side.

[GoMuskies]

Jeff Ruby is getting ready for Louisville's big win over Florida State next Thursday.

http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/page/instantawesome-jameis-141023/louisville-restaurateur-trolls-jameis-winston-jokes-taking-crab-legs-menu-ahead-game-versus-florida-state-jameis-winston?ex_cid=espnFB

[paulxu]

Hah! I didn't know he had a place in Louisville.
Is it the barge that broke loose in Cincinnati and floated down the river?

[xudash]

I can only hope that Mark May is enjoying Pitt's new NCAA record. Asshole. I love it.

[paulxu]

If there are 85 scholarship players on the Gamecock squad, not one of them was recruited to play defense.

(Nice onside kick in the third quarter though)

[Strange Brew]

So Utah wins with a "pick play" that goes uncalled (#9 for Utah never ran a route and actually initiated contact).....

I expect the same people on this board who are soooo certain of the call against ND to be just outraged by this non-call. I won't hold my breath.

[LA Muskie]

So Utah wins with a "pick play" that goes uncalled (#9 for Utah never ran a route and actually initiated contact).....

I expect the same people on this board who are soooo certain of the call against ND to be just outraged by this non-call. I won't hold my breath.

Hard for me to get outraged about a play I didn't see in a game I don't give a shit about. But other than that, I'm shocked. SHOCKED I tell you!!!

[Strange Brew]

Hard for me to get outraged about a play I didn't see in a game I don't give a shit about. But other than that, I'm shocked. SHOCKED I tell you!!!

What is the point of your post? The topic of the ND vs. FSU call is relevent to this thread so I'm confused by your reaction. Did you comment that the call in the ND vs. FSU game was correct? If not, I'm not sure why you wasted your time.

Since you took the time to comment maybe you could take a look at a video of the play and make a substantive comment on it's relation to the the call made last week. The simple fact that you took the time to post indicates you do, in fact, give a sh..

[OH.X.MI]

MSU & tOSU shaping up to be a HUGE game in two weeks!! Hate Mitch Albom, but I love this quote from his Detroit Free Press article today...

"You hear that, Sparty? MSU-Ohio State is the Big Game. You've not only stolen Michigan's dominance and confidence, you've stolen its rivalry."

Go Green, Go White!!

[GoMuskies]

So Utah wins with a "pick play" that goes uncalled (#9 for Utah never ran a route and actually initiated contact).....

I expect the same people on this board who are soooo certain of the call against ND to be just outraged by this non-call. I won't hold my breath.

Didn't see. Don't care.

[xubrew]

So Utah wins with a "pick play" that goes uncalled (#9 for Utah never ran a route and actually initiated contact).....

I expect the same people on this board who are soooo certain of the call against ND to be just outraged by this non-call. I won't hold my breath.

I didn't see it, but if you say so. "Outraged" just isn't how most people get when people make mistakes that they don't see and don't care about.

The biggest blown call of the weekend was probably the end of Auburn v South Carolina. Auburn had two guys on the field with the same jersey number, and the refs didn't see it.

[Juice]

What is the point of your post? The topic of the ND vs. FSU call is relevent to this thread so I'm confused by your reaction. Did you comment that the call in the ND vs. FSU game was correct? If not, I'm not sure why you wasted your time.

Since you took the time to comment maybe you could take a look at a video of the play and make a substantive comment on it's relation to the the call made last week. The simple fact that you took the time to post indicates you do, in fact, give a sh..

No no, everyone hates ND

[xu82]

No no, everyone hates ND

I love them, but I also hate them. It's very confusing. Unlike Duke, where I'm much less conflicted.

[xubrew]

I watched the replay, and they could have easily flagged it. Judging from the highlights it was a pretty crazy game.

[xudash]

MSU & tOSU shaping up to be a HUGE game in two weeks!! Hate Mitch Albom, but I love this quote from his Detroit Free Press article today...

"You hear that, Sparty? MSU-Ohio State is the Big Game. You've not only stolen Michigan's dominance and confidence, you've stolen its rivalry."


Go Green, Go White!!

Now that's funny.

Crazy game last night. After the pick-six to start the second half, you could see the momentum begin to trickle towards Penn State through the end of regulation.

As an Ohio State fan, I must say the interception call was terrible.

As for Sparty, the Buckeyes are loaded with talent, but they'll prove to be too young for the Spartans in East Lansing.

[Xville]

i do not envy the selection committee on this one. There is a definite possibility of having a 1 loss Pac 12 champ, 1 loss Big ten Champ, Undefeated ACC champ, 1 loss Notre Dame, SEC Champ, 1 loss Big 12 Champ..how two of those teams could conceivably get left out is so stupid.

[GoMuskies]

Most of it will work itself out. Always does.

[xubrew]

i do not envy the selection committee on this one. There is a definite possibility of having a 1 loss Pac 12 champ, 1 loss Big ten Champ, Undefeated ACC champ, 1 loss Notre Dame, SEC Champ, 1 loss Big 12 Champ..how two of those teams could conceivably get left out is so stupid.

Yes, it is. It's less stupid than leaving four out, which is what would have happened last year, but it's still very stupid. I also don't like that teams like East Carolina and Marshall were left out before a single game was even played. At least those one loss teams HAD a chance to control their own destiny.

[Xville]

Most of it will work itself out. Always does.

i understand what you are saying, but i hope that the scenario i just described indeed happens. That will hopefully push the discussion further to the 8 team playoff...5 automatic conference champions, 3 at large...and hopefully that leaves some room in case an undefeated team (that actually plays someone in the OOC) outside of the P5 happens.

[Milhouse]

Yes, it is. It's less stupid than leaving four out, which is what would have happened last year, but it's still very stupid. I also don't like that teams like East Carolina and Marshall were left out before a single game was even played. At least those one loss teams HAD a chance to control their own destiny.

I'm not entirely sure that ECU was out before they played a game. They were out when they lost to the Gamecocks, which at the time wasn't a bad loss either.

[xubrew]

I'm not entirely sure that ECU was out before they played a game. They were out when they lost to the Gamecocks, which at the time wasn't a bad loss either.

Perhaps you're right.

My overall point, though, is that there are teams that are left off and not played off. So, is it really a true playoff??

[Milhouse]

The Rankings will inevitably lead to a lot of controversy among one loss teams come seasons end.

While I feel ND was a bit undervalued at 10 they haven't beaten anyone notable as of yet. Need to beat ASU and then need Louisville to be pretty dang good (but obviously need them to still lose to FSU).

Gotta Love Saturdays in November. Also side note: so happy the ASU/ND game is at 3:30 p.m. next sat. Thought I'd have to Miss Xavier's exhibition game that night for it.

[GoMuskies]

As a ND fan, I'm not sure why you want FSU to beat Louisville. You play both, so it's a scheduling wash, but a one loss ND is likely to be ranked ahead of a one loss FSU. Plus, if Louisville wins tomorrow, there's a pretty good chance ND gets a shot at another top15 win when Louisville visits. I'd think you guys would be rooting like crazy for Louisville tomorrow night.

[xubrew]

As a ND fan, I'm not sure why you want FSU to beat Louisville. You play both, so it's a scheduling wash, but a one loss ND is likely to be ranked ahead of a one loss FSU. Plus, if Louisville wins tomorrow, there's a pretty good chance ND gets a shot at another top15 win when Louisville visits. I'd think you guys would be rooting like crazy for Louisville tomorrow night.

That's definitely true for the polls. However, in terms of selection committees for basketball and other sports, they don't react to what a team did recently the same way voters do. Florida State would still be ahead of Notre Dame in the eyes of a committee.

Having said that, this is an FBS football committee. There has never been one of those before. It's also NOT an NCAA committee, so there's that. In men's basketball, women's basketball, FCS football, softball, baseball, soccer, and literally every other sport, though, they do look at the entire season pretty evenly. I think that throws people when a team did not drop or rise as much as they thought they would after a few late season wins or losses. The top 25 does not do that. They really just look at when your most recent loss was.

I guess my point is, a one loss ND may be ahead of a one loss FSU, but not necessarily.

[GoMuskies]

I guess my point is, a one loss ND may be ahead of a one loss FSU, but not necessarily.

I don't really even see an argument for a one-loss FSU. Outside of ND, they'd have exactly zero quality wins. MAYBE Miami. Maybe. The ACC is atrocious.

[xubrew]

I don't really even see an argument for a one-loss FSU. Outside of ND, they'd have exactly zero quality wins. MAYBE Miami. Maybe. The ACC is atrocious.

After looking at it again, you're right. They won a close game at home against ND. ND, if they win out, will have won at Arizona State and USC, which is better than anything FSU has done outside of beating Notre Dame. At home.

It's a good thing I'm not on the committee.

[Milhouse]

I think it looks better for ND if they run the table and their only loss is to an Undefeated FSU team already in the playoff.

A 1 loss FSU (loss to Louisville) isn't as good of a "loss" for ND. Meanwhile Lousville should likely still be a top 25 team when they travel to South Bend at the end of November.

While in theory it's a "wash" its more than just sheer #s that matter it appears. ND losing to the undefeated defending national champs on the road in the final seconds of the game is much more impressive at the end of the year than them losing to the 1 loss defending national champs.

1 loss ND could rank ahead of FSU, but there's a ton of other 1 loss teams that would rank ahead of both. Feel as though its in my best interest to pull for FSU to win out at this point.

[GoMuskies]

For whatever it's worth, my ND alum co-worker forwarded me the following from Irish Illustrated this afternoon:

Turns out Florida State running the table might not actually be a good thing. If the Seminoles lose at Louisville on Thursday night it would take some luster off the best loss by any College Football Playoff contender, but it could also knock the Seminoles out of playoff contention even if they won the ACC. So what's better for the Irish? The afterglow of Tallahassee or an open playoff spot?
Considering the subjectivity of the College Football Playoff committee, there's no guarantee head-to-head results will be rankings concrete. Just look at the Coaches Poll that has Michigan State ahead of Oregon and Alabama ahead of Ole Miss. And considering how Notre Dame lost at Florida State, it seems likely a one-loss Irish could jump the one-loss Seminoles.
Best Case: Florida State falls at Louisville, recasting the Seminoles as coming back to the pack nationally. Meanwhile, the Cardinals rocket into the Top 25 to give the Irish another shot at a good win. The Seminoles won't get another quality opponent all season, including in the ACC Championship Game. Notre Dame jumps Florida State by the second College Football Playoff poll. The Irish stay there.
Worst Case: This actually isn't all bad because unbeaten Florida State is likely to finish No. 1 and have the nation's only perfect record. That would make the Seminoles the No. 1 seed and enhance Notre Dame's already strong loss. Still, the Irish could use a free slot in the playoff mix. The Seminoles losing would create one.

[Milhouse]

For whatever it's worth, my ND alum co-worker forwarded me the following from Irish Illustrated this afternoon:

Turns out Florida State running the table might not actually be a good thing. If the Seminoles lose at Louisville on Thursday night it would take some luster off the best loss by any College Football Playoff contender, but it could also knock the Seminoles out of playoff contention even if they won the ACC. So what's better for the Irish? The afterglow of Tallahassee or an open playoff spot?
Considering the subjectivity of the College Football Playoff committee, there's no guarantee head-to-head results will be rankings concrete. Just look at the Coaches Poll that has Michigan State ahead of Oregon and Alabama ahead of Ole Miss. And considering how Notre Dame lost at Florida State, it seems likely a one-loss Irish could jump the one-loss Seminoles.
Best Case: Florida State falls at Louisville, recasting the Seminoles as coming back to the pack nationally. Meanwhile, the Cardinals rocket into the Top 25 to give the Irish another shot at a good win. The Seminoles won't get another quality opponent all season, including in the ACC Championship Game. Notre Dame jumps Florida State by the second College Football Playoff poll. The Irish stay there.
Worst Case: This actually isn't all bad because unbeaten Florida State is likely to finish No. 1 and have the nation's only perfect record. That would make the Seminoles the No. 1 seed and enhance Notre Dame's already strong loss. Still, the Irish could use a free slot in the playoff mix. The Seminoles losing would create one.

This is true but my only fear is if it comes down to it and there is a one loss ND and one Loss FSU how do you keep FSU out when they beat ND head to head? I suppose its stupid to even think about right now as there are still 6 weeks left. But on the other hand there are ONLY 6 weeks left.

Whatever I just hope ND get past Navy this weekend.

[GoMuskies]

This is true but my only fear is if it comes down to it and there is a one loss ND and one Loss FSU how do you keep FSU out when they beat ND head to head?

I think it was the absolute right decision to give FSU the title over ND in '93, and I think it would be the absolute right decision to pick ND over FSU for a playoff spot this year.

[paulxu]

Well this is fun. Turned on the Louisville game at beginning of 2nd half.
First play Cards intercept Winston...and the guy fumbles it back to FSU.

[GoMuskies]

Well this is fun. Turned on the Louisville game at beginning of 2nd half.
First play Cards intercept Winston...and the guy fumbles it back to FSU.

Should be about 35-0. Gonna be not pleased when Louisville blows this.

[xu82]

Well this is fun. Turned on the Louisville game at beginning of 2nd half.
First play Cards intercept Winston...and the guy fumbles it back to FSU.

That guy had to know when enough was enough. But it was Winston who knocked the ball loose. Exciting, but this isn't a top four team. (I'm going for the reverse jinx since I have a son at FSU.)

[paulxu]

Should be about 35-0. Gonna be not pleased when Louisville blows this.

Not when they decide to just let a wide out get 15 yards behind the coverage.

[paulxu]

Gonna be not pleased when Louisville blows this.

I'll never doubt you again.

On a side note, the gushing for Winston and FSU is damn right nauseating.

[xu82]

I'll never doubt you again.

On a side note, the gushing for Winston and FSU is damn right nauseating.

You didn't like the throw that should have been intercepted by three guys, but then went for a TD?
(I'm still not sure how that happened.)

[Strange Brew]

I think it was the absolute right decision to give FSU the title over ND in '93,

Of course you do. What are your thoughts on Miami winning the title over ND in '89. I'll let you look it up.

[GoMuskies]

Of course you do.

What's this even supposed to mean? Did you miss the second part of my post?

You've apparently got a severe persecution complex.

[Milhouse]

Kid is just a winner. Sucks but he just gets it done time and time again.

[Xville]

Unfortunately Winston is an incredible qb. That stadium was deafening last night, and it didn't matter to him in the second half. Best college qb I have seen in a long time..better than tebow, newton, Bradford...he makes throws that very few NFL qbs can make...on one of his touchdown passes, he was drifting backwards and threw a fifty yard bomb on his back heel..just unreal. He seems to be a disgusting human being, but he is one hell of a quarterback.

[gladdenguy]

I was so happy that FSU covered that line last night. Fun game to watch.

And Michigan's AD has resigned today......Christmas comes on Halloween. Brad Bates and Jim Harbaugh......COME ON DOWN!!!!!!

[PMI]

What a day of thanks, as Dave Brandon is gone. Next up, Brady Hoke.

[xubrew]

Unfortunately Winston is an incredible qb. That stadium was deafening last night, and it didn't matter to him in the second half. Best college qb I have seen in a long time..better than tebow, newton, Bradford...he makes throws that very few NFL qbs can make...on one of his touchdown passes, he was drifting backwards and threw a fifty yard bomb on his back heel..just unreal. He seems to be a disgusting human being, but he is one hell of a quarterback.

Michael Vick was the best college QB I ever saw. Maybe the best college player I ever saw. I know he's not a hall of famer because he was simply okay and not great in the NFL, but in college he truly was phenomenal.

....and, he was also somewhat of a disgusting human being.

[xudash]

What a day of thanks, as Dave Brandon is gone. Next up, Brady Hoke.

How's this: Michigan and Florida swap coaches; Muschump to Michigan and Brady to Gainesville.

[GoMuskies]

How's this: Michigan and Florida swap coaches; Muschump to Michigan and Brady to Gainesville.

Sounds like a recipe for mass suicide.

[xudash]

Sounds like a recipe for mass suicide.

Think of it as a mercy killing.

[SM#24]

Good sign on Gameday today:
"Buzz Williams is the worst person on Earth"

[maketewahXalum]

Good sign on Gameday today:
"Buzz Williams is the worst person on Earth"

http://30fps.mocksession.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/2014-November-1-10-14-5.jpg

[maketewahXalum]

http://30fps.mocksession.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/2014-November-1-10-14-5.jpg

[xu82]

Good sign on Gameday today:
"Buzz Williams is the worst person on Earth"

That little nut in N Korea must be relieved.

[Masterofreality]

The AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC is NOT good.

Temple, yes Temple beats East Carolina, formerly number 21. No matter how much ESPN tries to put lipstick on that pig, there will be no teams ranked from that joke of a league next week.

[GoMuskies]

The AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC is NOT good.

Temple, yes Temple beats East Carolina, formerly number 21. No matter how much ESPN tries to put lipstick on that pig, there will be no teams ranked from that joke of a league next week.

Congrats to Porkopolis. This means Marshall is in the driver's seat to get a bid to a major bowl this season (access bowl). Don't blow it Thundering Herd!

[xudash]

And concerning things having to do with football in the South, the Cocktail Party is presently upside down with Florida leading 14 - 7.

[xudash]

21 - 7.

Damn. I was expecting a blowout by Georgia.

[xudash]

13+ minutes to go, but the Party is over. Dawgs are destroyed by the Gators.

[paulxu]

Gators are like the Cocks.
We can beat Georgia...but otherwise suck.

[xudash]

Gators are like the Cocks.
We can beat Georgia...but otherwise suck.

SEC East is just not all that good. The mood around here was one of waiting for an execution. Looks like the guy with the black hood took the axe instead.

[Porkopolis]

Congrats to Porkopolis. This means Marshall is in the driver's seat to get a bid to a major bowl this season (access bowl). Don't blow it Thundering Herd!

I was at a museum when I saw the score. Got some puzzled looks. 😄

Now it is time for Marshall to take care of business.

[paulxu]

The end of the Ole Miss/Auburn game was absolutely brutal.

[paulxu]

Correction to earlier post.

We REALLY suck.

[Strange Brew]

Glad to see #1 pull it out vs. an atrocious Arkansas team. MSU should drop at least 5 or 6 spots after that performance at home against a terrible team.

[Xville]

Glad to see #1 pull it out vs. an atrocious Arkansas team. MSU should drop at least 5 or 6 spots after that performance at home against a terrible team.

I'm just waiting for Msu to lose and they will shortly...Kentucky played them close and now arkansas. No way that team is the best in the country. I know they have some good wins against auburn and LSU but their defense is just very suspect.

[STL_XUfan]

Correction to earlier post.

We REALLY suck.

They are just really committing to tanking for the #1 overall pick.:rolleyes:

Here is how messed up the SEC East is right now: if Georgia losses to Auburn, Mizzou only needs to win 1 of their last 3 to claim a share of the SEC East title. Mizzou lost to Indiana....at home.

[paulxu]

Does Huggy Bear coach Maryland now?

[kyxu]

Anyone see the X flag flying on College Gameday in East Lansing? Strong effort.

[SM#24]

Just turned on GameDay and that was pretty much the first thing I saw. Public reps to whoever is rocking that.

[SM#24]

I like how Nike has made the Baylor-Oklahoma game look like Oregon v Stanford.

[xudash]

Anyone see the X flag flying on College Gameday in East Lansing? Strong effort.

I would love to read what kind of reaction he got from the Michigan State fans.

[GoMuskies]

I would love to read what kind of reaction he got from the Michigan State fans.

They probably asked him the same question everyone wearing a Xavier shirt gets in 95% of the country: "Where is Xavier? Is that in Illinois somewhere?"

[waggy]

Notre Dame getting drilled.

Not in a good way.

[Strange Brew]

Notre Dame getting drilled.

Not in a good way.

Golson is killing the team today. I wish Kelly would sit him for one series to get his head straight.

[xudash]

Vee, watcha thinkin.

Imagine these guys next year and the year after that.

Speed kills, and it absolutely is killing Sparty.

[xubrew]

That was impressive. It's hard to beat Michigan State....on the road....at night. It's easily their best win since Meyer took over.