General Tourney Talk

[GoMuskies]

I wonder if the Chanticleers have another push in them. It would be fun if they could at least make it interesting down the stretch.

[Musketeer_15]

You will be nothing but someone for the real teams in the big east to beat up on for years to come. You got what you wanted. Now choke on it. It's sad to see what Xavier has become. You use to be a class program like UD. I guess Huggins and UC must have rubbed off on you. Now Mack and Xavier makes Cincinnati look classy
"Class" programs also don't reinstate criminals...

[GoMuskies]

"Class programs" don't have newspaper headlines that dump all over their vanquished opponent after they are beaten.

I still rate that headline as awesome and appropriate.

[LadyMuskie]

You will be nothing but someone for the real teams in the big east to beat up on for years to come. You got what you wanted. Now choke on it. It's sad to see what Xavier has become. You use to be a class program like UD. I guess Huggins and UC must have rubbed off on you. Now Mack and Xavier makes Cincinnati look classy

You're adorable. Seriously. I just love the elderly. Your grandkids must be so proud of you!

[GoMuskies]

"Class" programs also don't reinstate criminals...

This Flyer guy is an idiot, but how exactly are we defining "criminals". Because you can certainly define it in a number of ways that would have Xavier reinstating a number of "criminals".

[Musketeer_15]

This Flyer guy is an idiot, but how exactly are we defining "criminals". Because you can certainly define it in a number of ways that would have Xavier reinstating a number of "criminals".
I didn't really want to use the term just for the sake of keeping the argument clean. But let's be honest, everyone and their mother knows what Kavanaugh did.

[LadyMuskie]

I still rate that headline as awesome and appropriate.

If Ohio University had beat OSU and Athens ran that headline, it would have been awesome. Dayton doing it is just sad and pitiful and really makes no sense. I mean, they really are THE University of Dayton. Is the headline just a reminder to the readers of the paper?

[paulxu]

By my count, Tulsa and UCLA have run up and down the court 72 times. The score is 8-5.

[GoMuskies]

If Ohio University had beat OSU and Athens ran that headline, it would have been awesome. Dayton doing it is just sad and pitiful and really makes no sense. I mean, they really are THE University of Dayton. Is the headline just a reminder to the readers of the paper?

THE University of Dayton isn't any more obnoxious than THE Ohio State University.

[LadyMuskie]

Oh, I agree. The word "the" in front of OSU is obnoxious, just like most things associated with OSU and reeks of feelings of inferiority. But, for DDN to make that their headline . . . .really? I don't know. I just think it's stupid. So many available headlines to go with, and that's the one they choose.

[xu2002]

Oh, I agree. The word "the" in front of OSU is obnoxious, just like most things associated with OSU and reeks of feelings of inferiority. But, for DDN to make that their headline . . . .really? I don't know. I just think it's stupid. So many available headlines to go with, and that's the one they choose.

When you're relevant one day every 10 years the writers don't have any expectations and obviously had nothing good ready to go.

[GoMuskies]

Kansas State is in the process of getting royally fucked in St. Louis.

[BandAid]

I sure hope Coastal Carolina has another run left in them

[xubball1993]

Go Mercer, go. Screw my bracket - love to see that arrogant jerk K go out!

Gotta give Coach K credit - he visited the Mercer lockerroom and praised the team for how well they played and were coached. Gotta say, very classy.

[Juice]

Gotta give Coach K credit - he visited the Mercer lockerroom and praised the team for how well they played and were coached. Gotta say, very classy.

He's a dick

[UCGRAD4X]

Gotta give Coach K credit - he visited the Mercer lockerroom and praised the team for how well they played and were coached. Gotta say, very classy.

He's arrogant enough to think that this is a big deal to everyone. Even if it is, he doesn't need to feel the need to insert himself into their victory.

You're the loser! Go home!

I actually don't have anything against K one way or another. He obviously has a great track record of recruiting and performing at a high level over a long period of time. I think in some ways it might be a good model for Xavier to follow.

But still...

[xumuskies08]

Walking into the locker room of the team that just upset you feels like a "hey everybody, come look what a great guy I am" move by Coach K.

Even if it was completely sincere, I still think he's kinda slimy.

[Juice]

Walking into the locker room of the team that just upset you feels like a "hey everybody, come look what a great guy I am" move by Coach K.

Even if it was completely sincere, I still think he's kinda slimy.

Yeah, thank God that Mercer was granted the seal of approval by the great Coach K. I'm sure the players on Mercer were really unsure of themselves. Oh nope, wait, they sent Duke packing.

[The_Mack_Pack]

The Mercer player who got the concussion yesterday is out for tomorrow. Apparently he doesn't remember the game at all. Hopefully he recovers soon.

[SM#24]

So Louisville has 23 points with one minute to go in the first half and is "blowing out" St. Louis

[waggy]

The officiating in that games sucks.

[X-Fan]

So Louisville has 23 points with one minute to go in the first half and is "blowing out" St. Louis
This game is painful to watch. St. Louis certainly wasn't helped by the Refs swallowing their whistles in the first 10 minutes.

[xsteve1]

SLU does play good defense which make up for their offensive deficiencies.

[BlueGuy]

I worked 8am - 10pm the last two days... Probably the best two sports days of the year. I missed them. Off today, and was pretty stoked to watch hoops all day. These first two games are HORRIBLE! This could not be anymore unwatchable.


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[xsteve1]

I'll be glad when Hancock is gone next year. He makes every big shot Louisville needs.

[Juice]

Cruncha muncha
cruncha muncha
cruncha muncha
cruncha muncha
cruncha muncha

[X-band '01]

I worked 8am - 10pm the last two days... Probably the best two sports days of the year. I missed them. Off today, and was pretty stoked to watch hoops all day. These first two games are HORRIBLE! This could not be anymore unwatchable.


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I'm actually working all 4 days this weekend - not missing much during the daytime action.

[GoMuskies]

Wake up Syracuse. Please wake up!

[SM#24]

I didn't think it was possible but Syr- Dayton put up less 1st half points than Louisville-SLU

[bjf123]

That was a painful half of basketball to watch.


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[Nigel Tufnel]

That had to be one of the worst flagrant fouls I've ever seen. Since when can't an offensive player catch the ball and pivot into a triple threat position? Not to mention Siebert was all over him. Should have been a defensive foul, if anything.

[bjf123]

Agreed. Terrible call.


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[vee4xu]

So, is it possible that ud actually beats Syracuse tonight? Really?

[paulxu]

If Boeheim loses this game he should be embarrassed.

[vee4xu]

Add them to the list down on Lane Avenue here in Columbus. I am not watching the game, but ud must be making Syracuse play ugly ball. Though, Syracuse doesn't need much prompting on that front sometimes.

[XU3232]

I can't believe Dayton actually may win this game. What a nightmare. Hope Cuse can get it together.

[xsteve1]

So, is it possible that ud actually beats Syracuse tonight? Really?

Remember Syracuse lost to BC and Georgia Tech at home. I hate to say it but UD looks like they'll be Sweet 16 bound with a winnable game there.

[BlueGuy]

The zone has absolutely dismantled Dayton. It's amazing that Syracuse can't score.

Just a horrible all around day of hoops on TV. And somehow, I'm still watching.


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[GoMuskies]

This is not good. Not good at all.

[vee4xu]

Oh well, once in a generation, ud fans get to cheer on their team beyond round one of the NCAA.

[BlueGuy]

Add them to the list down on Lane Avenue here in Columbus. I am not watching the game, but ud must be making Syracuse play ugly ball. Though, Syracuse doesn't need much prompting on that front sometimes.

I wouldn't say that exactly. Cuse is 0-7 from 3, and has missed countless buckets from about 3 ft away. It's like I'm watching Xavier's offense the last few games.


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[xsteve1]

Oh well, once in a generation, ud fans get to cheer on their team beyond round one of the NCAA.

They should be pretty good next year especially if Archie is still their coach. Definitely them and VCU would be the favorites to win the A10.

[SM#24]

So in one weekend, Dayton may double it's NCAA win total of the last 30 years.

[GoMuskies]

So in one weekend, Dayton may double it's NCAA win total of the last 30 years.

Then again, they may not. Go Cuse!

[BlueGuy]

Then again, they may not. Go Cuse!

Syracuse doesn't have to do much to gain control of this game. Other than the occasional 3, Dayton is having a hard time getting good looks.


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[GoMuskies]

Meltdown in process. Hope it continues!

[GoMuskies]

Syracuse's turn to poop down the leg.

[bjf123]

C'mon 'Cuse!


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[xsteve1]

Daytons going to win, they are having no trouble with the zone any longer.

[BlueGuy]

Cuse can not hit a shot....


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[blobfan]

I wish I could enjoy this: small school beating up the big guys. But it's Dayton. And their fans are awful.

[SM#24]

I thought I hated Syr before this game; if they lose this they may approach UC levels in my book. Well maybe not that bad, but close to Dayton level.

[LadyMuskie]

Come on Syracuse! Man up!

[Juice]

I wish I could enjoy this: small school beating up the big guys. But it's Dayton. And their fans are awful.

99 times out of 100 nothing makes me happier than Syracuse losing to a crap team but since it's UD I cannot enjoy this.

[xsteve1]

Wow Cuse is awful.

[blobfan]

The announcers are so happy to see Cuse do anything they literally 'cootchy-cooed' at a block. It's just disgusting how much they love the big guys. But it's Dayton. I'm just torn in too many pieces!

[BandAid]

Can't buy a three

[xsteve1]

How is that not a walk? UD luck.

[GoMuskies]

Walk?!?

[THRILLHOUSE]

UD just got away with a blatant travel. He hopped twice before calling TO. Ugh.

[xavierj]

You know what really sucks is that Dayton will be even better next year. They lose very little. These miller kids can flat out coach.

[bjf123]

Walk?!?

Yes.


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[vee4xu]

ud may have players coming back, but with each win in this year's NCAA the likelihood of Archie staying to coach them gets slimmer.

[xsteve1]

ud may have players coming back, but with each win in this year's NCAA the likelihood of Archie staying to coach them gets slimmer.

I think UD will do every thing they can to keep him. Probably 2 mill.

[paulxu]

What am I missing? He's never finished higher than 6th in the A10.

If one S16 is worth 2 million, we are definitely underpaying Mack.

[xsteve1]

The headline in tomorrows Dayton Daily News, "Ohio's Team".

[THRILLHOUSE]

ud may have players coming back, but with each win in this year's NCAA the likelihood of Archie staying to coach them gets slimmer.

Not really any great jobs open at the moment, unless Wake would make him a big offer. Boston College is open but probably a worse job than Wake.

[vee4xu]

I think UD will do every thing they can to keep him. Probably 2 mill.

Where exactly is ud going to come up with $2 million per for a coach?

[xsteve1]

Just knew Cuse would miss that.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Ennis had 2 makeable shots to win it. Ugh.

[xu2002]

i give it 5 minutes before a Dayton fan is on here

[xsteve1]

What am I missing? He's never finished higher than 6th in the A10.

If one S16 is worth 2 million, we are definitely underpaying Mack.

Sean didn't do any better at X in his first 3 years, actually worse. The guy is just like his brother.

[GoMuskies]

That Ennis kid is fucking terrible. What was he doing there?!?

[mohr5150]

Screw you, Syracuse. Overrated all year long. Dayton got the benefit of playing two of the most overrated teams in the country in their first two games.

[SM#24]

I hate Syracuse

[xsteve1]

Dayton can definitely win the next one as well.

[vee4xu]

I hate Syracuse

All of us here do.

[vee4xu]

Dayton can definitely win the next one as well.

Really? Isn't Kansas next, potentially? We are talking about dayton here, not the second coming of UCLA in the 1960's.

[xsteve1]

Boeheim is one of the most overrated coaches ever. one championship in all those years with all those players. To stubborn to play anything but zone.

[X Factor]

Sounded like Archie was letting every AD in the country know what he just accomplished at Dayton.

Bye bye Archie.

[Xavgrad08]

Does Archie leave Dayton this year or next? Dayton should be pretty good next year and I am not sure any of the jobs open are that great. Marquette could be intriguing, but I am not sure I see Archie coaching there.

Also, the ACC was overrated. Duke and Syracuse were not that good.

[xsteve1]

Really? Isn't Kansas next, potentially? We are talking about dayton here, not the second coming of UCLA in the 1960's.

Kansas struggled with EKU yesterday and no Embid. Nevermind they get Florida, that will be a problem for them. UD is this year's Gulf Coast.

[vee4xu]

Sounded like Archie was letting every AD in the country know what he just accomplished at Dayton.

Bye bye Archie.

Oh man, you know it. If not this year, then when. Not even a chance he stays in dayton.

[bigdiggins]

Boeheim is one of the most overrated coaches ever. one championship in all those years with all those players. To stubborn to play anything but zone.

They gave up 55 pts. Don't think the zone was the issue

[vee4xu]

Does Archie leave Dayton this year or next? Dayton should be pretty good next year and I am not sure any of the jobs open are that great. Marquette could be intriguing, but I am not sure I see Archie coaching there.

The old saying is "get out while the gettin' is good."

[SM#24]

Well, I guess it's a cute little story, kind of like Florida Gulf Coast.

[Juice]

They gave up 55 pts. Don't think the zone was the issue

I agree but zone is for cowards

[blobfan]

I need a shower. People around me are cheating Dayton. Ugh. What a year.

[vee4xu]

MOR is at his daughter's wedding tonight. You know darned well that he's looking at this score and his head is about to blow off his shoulders. Hopefully, he's already done the Father of the Bride toast.

[PMI]

This is a nightmare. No other way to put it. Their Sweet 16 drought was almost as long as the Jimmy Carter streak. Almost. It's sickening to see that come to an end. The only silver lining is that Archie is probably gone after they lose next week. Ugh. Fuck.

There are going to be a lot of sore watermelons in Sewage City tomorrow morning...

[vee4xu]

I agree but zone is for cowards

Or teams playing Xavier. :smile:

[vee4xu]

This is a nightmare. No other way to put it. Their Sweet 16 drought was almost as long as the Jimmy Carter streak. Almost. It's sickening to see that come to an end. The only silver lining is that Archie is probably gone after they lose next week. Ugh. Fuck.

There are going to be a lot of sore watermelons in Sewage City tomorrow morning...

That's funny.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Does Archie leave Dayton this year or next? Dayton should be pretty good next year and I am not sure any of the jobs open are that great. Marquette could be intriguing, but I am not sure I see Archie coaching there.

Also, the ACC was overrated. Duke and Syracuse were not that good.

Oh yeah, already forgot about Marquette being open. Normally I'd rank that job over the other openings, but with the admin questions there I'm not so sure.

[xsteve1]

They gave up 55 pts. Don't think the zone was the issue

He's been there like 50 years and has one championship with all those McD's. A team gets hot from 3 and it's useless. And you can't create offense from defense like Seth Davis just pointed out.

[GuyFawkes38]

Yeah, this just sucks. Damn.

Would love to see Archie leave this year.

[vee4xu]

Well all, shit happens. These generational things have to happen just by the sheer odds involved. Let them have their day in the sun. It has been dark and cold in dayton for many, many years. Nothing else we can about it so, might as well.

[GuyFawkes38]

Well, we know that UD can't beat Florida of they beat Kansas. So we have that going for us.

[GoMuskies]

Beat Syracuse in Buffalo. Hats off and I hate them.

[Musketeer_15]

I remember my first Sweet 16 (when the tournament had 64 teams)...

[GuyFawkes38]

Now I know what it's like to be a Dayton fan. I don't know how they handled this for 20 years.

[xsteve1]

Hopefully Nova can put away Uconn.

[Nigel Tufnel]

My thoughts on the UD win? Meh....I wasn't actively rooting against them like I thought I would. I just watched. I don't like Dayton fans, but at the same time, I'm starting to look at Dayton as a school at arm's length. We didn't play them this year, won't play them next year and they are not in our league. A tourney run was bound to happen sooner or later. I'll give them all the credit in the world for knocking off OSU and Cuse in 48 hours. Having said that, those wins will look a lot better on paper than they actually were. OSU and Cuse were both offensively inept. And Cuse especially....they missed so many layups. It was kind of shocking to watch.

But as all X fans are well aware...this tourney run is a double edged sword. I seriously doubt Archie will be coaching Dayton next year. Oklahoma State or Marquette could come calling. I think the thrill of the victories and run outweigh losing the coach....but the thrill of victory will likely end before a final four...and the agony of being a jilted lover and looking for a coach will be occurring soon.

[bjf123]

Well all, shit happens. These generational things have to happen just by the sheer odds involved. Let them have their day in the sun. It has been dark and cold in dayton for many, many years. Nothing else we can about it so, might as well.

Yep. They played less shitty than Syracuse and got the win. By winning Thursday and tonight, they've doubled their tourney wins over the last 30 years. That puts them how many behind us over that time frame? They're still irrelevant. We need to let them enjoy this and move on. If we spend too much time talking about it, they'll think we might be jealous and actually give a damn about them. Couldn't care less.


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[Xavgrad08]

Harvard was down sixteen and have came back to tie it. They are currently down 1 with 8 minutes to go.

[paulxu]

And Haaaaaaaaaavaaaaaaaaaaaad takes the lead!

[blobfan]

Yep. They played less shitty than Syracuse and got the win. By winning Thursday and tonight, they've doubled their tourney wins over the last 30 years. That puts them how many behind us over that time frame? They're still irrelevant. We need to let them enjoy this and move on. If we spend too much time talking about it, they'll think we might be jealous and actually give a damn about them. Couldn't care less.


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As long as they enjoy it on their own message board, I'm ok with it.

[paulxu]

Short lived.

[xavierj]

Nova less than inspiring. Another game where both teams look like shit.

[gladdenguy]

Its really nice having a back up team to root for. John Beilein was one heck of a hire. Michigan is sweet again and they will be loaded for years to come.

Its a great day to be a Michigan Wolverine!!!!!

[paulxu]

Somebody want to tell Nova to wake up?

[bjf123]

Somebody want to tell Nova to wake up?

They're looking like Syracuse. Can't hit the ocean from the beach.


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[xsteve1]

Its really nice having a back up team to root for. John Beilein was one heck of a hire. Michigan is sweet again and they will be loaded for years to come.

Its a great day to be a Michigan Wolverine!!!!!

Beillein is a stud coach.

[xubrew]

I'm really not that big on Archie Miller. He's good, but if I had to rank Archie, Mike White of LA Tech, Brian Wardell of Green Bay and Saul Phillips or North Dakota St, I'd rank him fourth.

If he leaves, Dayton should be able to get someone as good or better.

[blobfan]

Ok. It was almost worth the dump winning to see Kavanaugh trying to dance in the locker room with his teammates. Wish I could have captured that for future viewing.

[xsteve1]

I'm really not that big on Archie Miller. He's good, but if I had to rank Archie, Mike White of LA Tech, Brian Wardell of Green Bay and Saul Phillips or North Dakota St, I'd rank him fourth.

If he leaves, Dayton should be able to get someone as good or better.

Disagree. He brought a toughness to what was a soft program. Plus he can elevate mediocre players to play above their abilities

[GuyFawkes38]

I'm really not that big on Archie Miller. He's good, but if I had to rank Archie, Mike White of LA Tech, Brian Wardell of Green Bay and Saul Phillips or North Dakota St, I'd rank him fourth.

If he leaves, Dayton should be able to get someone as good or better.

Really?

IMHO, Archie has attracted some nice players (Sibert, Pierre, Sanford). I'm impressed.

I would love to see Archie leave ASAP. He definitely won't be at UD long, but I would like to see him leave before another NCAA Tourney appearance and possible Sweet 16.

[xsteve1]

Nova slumping at the wrong time of year.

[vee4xu]

Here's the deal. dayton is not heading to the BE anytime soon, but their coach may be coaching a team in the league in a few weeks.

[GoMuskies]

Nova starting to hit. Need to get some separation!

[xubrew]

Disagree. He brought a toughness to what was a soft program. Plus he can elevate mediocre players to play above their abilities

We're LA Tech and Green Bay not soft programs three years ago?? They've spotted talent no one else did, turned mediocre players into contributors, and turned programs around without anything close to half the resources UD has. They're game coaches and do a better job of scouting. I don't think it's even close. LA Tech was better than Dayton all year, and that was after they lost their best player. Green Bay was really good as well. They have to overcome more due to conference affiliation and limited resources.

I'd rather have any of those three than Archie. If he leaves a lot of good coaches will want that job.

[xsteve1]

We're LA Tech and Green Bay not soft programs three years ago?? They've spotted talent no one else did, turned mediocre players into contributors, and turned programs around without anything close to half the resources UD has. They're game coaches and do a better job of scouting. I don't think it's even close. LA Tech was better than Dayton all year, and that was after they lost their best player. Green Bay was really good as well. They have to overcome more due to conference affiliation and limited resources.

I'd rather have any of those three than Archie. If he leaves a lot of good coaches will want that job.

Who knows, I don't follow those programs. I just know the pedigree Archie comes from and he reminds me a lot of Sean.

[GoMuskies]

Npva's in real trouble. They look like shit.

[waggy]

UConn shooting from 3 like Nova usually does.

[THRILLHOUSE]

UConn shooting from 3 like Nova usually does.

And Nova is bricking their 3's. Down 11, in real trouble.

[SM#24]

I'm at these Buffalo games and every team I want to win is going to lose except for Vill over Milwaukee. What a waste of money and time

[GoMuskies]

Nova doesn't even seem to have a plan other than to fire wild threes right now. This could get out of hand if Napier hits another shot or two.

[xavierj]

Nova has 3 2pt fg's for the game. That is not good.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Its been said that the NCAA tourney is all about guard play.....truer words have never been spoken.

[GoMuskies]

From what I've seen they shouldn't bother taking another 2. They just give the ball away when they get inside the arc.

[xsteve1]

UConn isn't even any good. Nova looks tired.

[GoMuskies]

UConn isn't even any good. Nova looks tired.

Napier's awesome. Otherwise, yeah.

[xsteve1]

This is really bad for the new league.

[xavierj]

Nova can't make a layup.

[GoMuskies]

This is really bad for the new league.

Creighton needs to go deep. Still won't help much if Nova cannot come back. Good leagues have multiple teams that go deep.

[GoMuskies]

Random thought: only good thing about Dayton winning today is that it makes Coach K's rant about the A-10 look even more idiotic.

Unfortunately, Mack's, too.....

[xsteve1]

Random thought: only good thing about Dayton winning today is that it makes Coach K's rant about the A-10 look even more idiotic.

Unfortunately, Mack's, too.....

Besides UD's close wins the A10 has been pretty disappointing. If UD lost tonight it would have been a terrible NCAA for the A10.

[GoMuskies]

Besides UD's close wins the A10 has been pretty disappointing.

A-10 certainly hasn't been great, but it hasn't been particularly worse than the ACC. And Dayton was the sixth place team in the A-10.

[xsteve1]

I think Nova is done regardless if Napier returns. Just that kind of night for the teams I'm pulling for.

[GoMuskies]

Jesus, hit a layup!

[GoMuskies]

I'd have broken my TV by now if I was an actual Villanova fan. Jesus, they suck. Time come to terms with the fact that our league kind of blew. No terrible teams, but still not very strong.

[waggy]

UConn beat them soundly, but I still feel that Nova was a really good team.

[xsteve1]

I wouldn't be shocked to see Jay Wright leave as well. Hope he stays because the league needs to keep it's higher profile coaches.

[Xavgrad08]

Nova didn't look good in the conference tournament and they didn't look good in their first NCAA game. I think they were good during the regular season, but they have faded. Also, I think Kevin Ollie is going to be a really good coach. With his NBA background it will be interesting if he stays as a college coach.

[casualfan]

Saw on Twitter if Creighton loses tomorrow it'll be the first time since 1993 the BE didnt have a sweet 16 team

[The_Mack_Pack]

I'm not too confident in Creighton tomorrow. Baylor's bigs will eat them up inside.

[casualfan]

I'm not too confident in Creighton tomorrow. Baylor's bigs will eat them up inside.

I agree. Should be an interesting matchup.

[GoMuskies]

Baylor's a bad defensive team, so this is a good matchup for Creighton.

[The_Mack_Pack]

Baylor's a bad defensive team, so this is a good matchup for Creighton.

I hope the threes are falling for them and they get some lucky bounces because they'll struggle to rebound.

[GoMuskies]

First one seed is going out tomorrow. And it will be Arizona. Gonzaga is gonna get em. Archie will be the only Miller coaching next week.

[X-Fan]

Its really nice having a back up team to root for. John Beilein was one heck of a hire. Michigan is sweet again and they will be loaded for years to come.

Its a great day to be a Michigan Wolverine!!!!!
For sure. They are rolling. Talk about a team that is exceeding expectations this year. Lose the player of the year, and another good guard to the NBA...no problem.

I've been following Mich since Jordan Morgans freshman year, and Beilein keeps on bringing in talented and great kids.

[GuyFawkes38]

I'm having trouble coming to terms with UD's sweet 16.

But this really shouldn't be a shock. UD has underperformed the past 15 years relative to the talent they have received. Lets just admit it. They have solid facilities and in a location that has some high school basketball talent. I've followed kenpom's ranking's closely the past 5 years. UD is consistently a top 50 team, yet by losing close games, they lacked post season success. They were due for a bit of luck.

But I do think this should be a lesson for the X administration. X should discreetly do everything possible to prevent UD from getting an invitation to the Big East. I know the Big East feels a bit down now, but this is a major advantage over UD and we are in a zero sum battle with them.


I wouldn't be shocked to see Jay Wright leave as well. Hope he stays because the league needs to keep it's higher profile coaches.

Come on now. Won't happen.

[xsteve1]

Come on now. Won't happen.

Supposedly the Sixer's are interested.

[xubrew]

it would have been fun watching Saint Joe's play Villanova in the NCAAs. Too bad Joe's blew it in the final minute of regulation.

Dayton's Sweet Sixteen appearance has no more impact on Xavier than Ohio's Sweet Sixteen appearance two years ago. It just doesn't matter that much as far as we're concerned. But, of course, that's what everyone is talking about.

A week ago everyone was saying they were overrated probably wouldn't even make a field. Then they win two games on missed last second shots, one of which was against a Syracuse team that hasn't looked good in a month (they've lost six out of nine, including several losses to crap teams like Boston College), and Archie Miller is a genius that everyone will want to hire. I think people have gone from drastically underestimating them to drastically overestimating them. I could see schools wanting him, but only because there is a tendency to overvalue wins in the tournament. He's good, but I do think there are other good coaches out there that UD can get if he leaves. I also think there are other coaches out there I'd rather have then him if I'm a major program.

So with that win, if Kansas makes the Elite Eight, they will have beaten a #15, a #10 and a #11. This is a typical Elite Eight path for Kansas, who's bracket seems to collapse just about every year. I believe they've made the FF without beating a team seeded better than 9th on more than one occasion.

[xubrew]

I'm having trouble coming to terms with UD's sweet 16.

But this really shouldn't be a shock. UD has underperformed the past 15 years relative to the talent they have received. Lets just admit it. They have solid facilities and in a location that has some high school basketball talent. I've followed kenpom's ranking's closely the past 5 years. UD is consistently a top 50 team, yet by losing close games, they lacked post season success. They were due for a bit of luck.

But I do think this should be a lesson for the X administration. X should discreetly do everything possible to prevent UD from getting an invitation to the Big East. I know the Big East feels a bit down now, but this is a major advantage over UD and we are in a zero sum battle with them.

Dayton had their best season in thirty years in a year where they didn't play Xavier. It's the damnedest thing. It's as if not playing a team multiple times a year that they lose to over 70% of the time has some how not set them back.

[American X]

A Sweet Sixteen is nice, but it is no NIT Championship.

[muskienick]

I agree --- a Sweet 16 is far better!

[OTRMUSKIE]

I hate Dayton but I will tip me hat to them. Dayton fans deserve to be happy for one more game. 30 years of futility and possibly another 30 years after this one. The only thing that sucks is now we will have to hear how they passed us as program.

[Cheesehead]

I hate Dayton but I will tip me hat to them. Dayton fans deserve to be happy for one more game. 30 years of futility and possibly another 30 years after this one. The only thing that sucks is now we will have to hear how they passed us as program.

I will be laughing my ass off when Archie leaves UD after this run. His stock will be at it's highest point. Suck it UD!

[xubrew]

I will be laughing my ass off when Archie leaves UD after this run. His stock will be at it's highest point. Suck it UD!

It depends on who they hire to replace him. I've said this before, but I'm just not THAT big on Archie Miller. I think he's good, but I don't think he's irreplaceable. Hell, if I'm Dayton, there are coaches I'd rather have than him. So, if he leaves, I'm not worried.

Having said that, it assumes Dayton knows what they're doing and has identified strong candidates....which they probably haven't.

[GoMuskies]

I will be laughing my ass off when Archie leaves UD after this run. His stock will be at it's highest point. Suck it UD!

I don't know about you, but when we went on runs and our coaches left, it didn't make me feel one bit worse about any of those runs.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Well the thing that Dayton can't afford is to lose any recruits. So if Archie leaves do the recruits leave as well?

[Cheesehead]

Well the thing that Dayton can't afford is to lose any recruits. So if Archie leaves do the recruits leave as well?

Marquette already lost on of their recruits (released by Marquette) and another one was only a verbal because Buzz was waiting for things to die down, as the kid got suspended his entire senior season for a HS in Chicago. So, that kid is free to go anyway. So, my guess it that yes, if Archie left, his recruits could ask to be released from their schollie.

[DC Muskie]

it would have been fun watching Saint Joe's play Villanova in the NCAAs. Too bad Joe's blew it in the final minute of regulation.

Dayton's Sweet Sixteen appearance has no more impact on Xavier than Ohio's Sweet Sixteen appearance two years ago. It just doesn't matter that much as far as we're concerned. But, of course, that's what everyone is talking about.

A week ago everyone was saying they were overrated probably wouldn't even make a field. Then they win two games on missed last second shots, one of which was against a Syracuse team that hasn't looked good in a month (they've lost six out of nine, including several losses to crap teams like Boston College), and Archie Miller is a genius that everyone will want to hire. I think people have gone from drastically underestimating them to drastically overestimating them. I could see schools wanting him, but only because there is a tendency to overvalue wins in the tournament. He's good, but I do think there are other good coaches out there that UD can get if he leaves. I also think there are other coaches out there I'd rather have then him if I'm a major program.

So with that win, if Kansas makes the Elite Eight, they will have beaten a #15, a #10 and a #11. This is a typical Elite Eight path for Kansas, who's bracket seems to collapse just about every year. I believe they've made the FF without beating a team seeded better than 9th on more than one occasion.

No kidding. On all accounts.

[Juice]

Marquette already lost on of their recruits (released by Marquette) and another one was only a verbal because Buzz was waiting for things to die down, as the kid got suspended his entire senior season for a HS in Chicago. So, that kid is free to go anyway. So, my guess it that yes, if Archie left, his recruits could ask to be released from their schollie.

Marquette can hold them to their scholarships but it's usually not a good look doing that, i.e. Phil Martelli and the senior who tried to transfer to UAB.

[Cheesehead]

Marquette can hold them to their scholarships but it's usually not a good look doing that, i.e. Phil Martelli and the senior who tried to transfer to UAB.

Agreed, they can do it but you take PR hit and not Marquette wants that right now.

[GoMuskies]

Go KU!

For those of you counting on KU to take out Dayton, just a reminder of some of the teams who have taken out KU in recent years: Bucknell, Bradley, VCU and Northern Iowa. That's a list that Dayton would feel right at home on, unfortunately.

[The_Mack_Pack]

Kansas is struggling to contain Powell down low. Obviously missing Embiid is going to be an issue in this one.

[LA Muskie]

Marquette can hold them to their scholarships but it's usually not a good look doing that, i.e. Phil Martelli and the senior who tried to transfer to UAB.

Not the best of comparisons because Martelli didn't leave. It was a graduated player who could transfer and play without sitting out a year but it required St. Joe's consent. Martelli refused to consent because the kid gave really late notice leaving Martelli without time to recruit a replacement. Martelli then proceeded to plant the kid at the end of the bench and wasted his last year of eligibility. It was the definition if vengeful classlessness.

Just about every school (if not every school) lets incoming kids out of their NLI's if the head coach leaves before they arrive. A few might delay the process to try to re-sell the kid before letting him hit the open market, but even then they eventually give the release if the kid still wants it.

[GoMuskies]

KU is playing like a festering pile of feces.

[BandAid]

This post is probably 14 hours too late...

But if I was a Syracuse fan, player, or coach I'd be pissed at Ennis. He was getting to the can with regularity down the stretch and ends up hoisting two jump shots on the last two possessions. And in the final possession he tried a three with plenty of time to drive. The kid was trying for his "one shining moment" and neglected his team in the process.

[LA Muskie]

This post is probably 14 hours too late...

But if I was a Syracuse fan, player, or coach I'd be pissed at Ennis. He was getting to the can with regularity down the stretch and ends up hoisting two jump shots on the last two possessions. And in the final possession he tried a three with plenty of time to drive. The kid was trying for his "one shining moment" and neglected his team in the process.

Syracuse fans aren't pissed. They are disappointed. A freshman who played like a senior much (but not all) of the year looked much more like the freshman that he is.

I would add, though, that there is a fast-growing sense of Boeheim fatigue among the Orangebloods.

[GoMuskies]

Ennis was awful yesterday.

[GoMuskies]

Quite a sequence at the end of the first half there. Might be a back-breaker for the Cardinal.

[GoMuskies]

Gross tweet by Sean.

At least I got to be amused watching Greg Gumbel struggle to figure out who Archie Miller is.

[LadyMuskie]

The tweet was vomit-inducing. The entire situation is vomit-inducing.

[LA Muskie]

What's the tweet? Inquiring minds need to know...

[GoMuskies]

What's the tweet? Inquiring minds need to know...

It's something that should not be posted on this board as it says positive things about "them". It's something you never want to see someone who was ever associated with the Xavier program say.

[casualfan]

What's the tweet? Inquiring minds need to know...

Sean Miller ‏@UACoachMiller 14h
Congrats to my brother @Archie_Miller and @DaytonMBB on making the Sweet 16! GoUDGoGoUD...GoUDGoGoUD - I can hear it in my sleep!

[BandAid]

Probs something about Archie and dayton

EDIT: nevermind, there it is. Also, I don't think it's that gross. Dude's just cheering on his brother.

[LadyMuskie]

It's something that should not be posted on this board as it says positive things about "them". It's something you never want to see someone who was ever associated with the Xavier program say.

Yes. File it under #thingsihatewiththepassionofathousandfierysuns

[The_Mack_Pack]

He's just cheering for his brother. It's just unfortunate that his brother coaches UD.

[GoMuskies]

I'm not an idiot. But it doesn't make it any less gross to me to see an ex-Xavier HC tweeting it.

[LadyMuskie]

Wait! What? Archie Miller and Sean Miller are brothers? When did this happen?

[GoMuskies]

KU's seemingly about 0-8 on lobs to the basket today.

Right on cue: 1-9 :smile:

[GoMuskies]

Man, KU looks like they've never seen a zone.

[LA Muskie]

Sean Miller ‏@UACoachMiller 14h
Congrats to my brother @Archie_Miller and @DaytonMBB on making the Sweet 16! GoUDGoGoUD...GoUDGoGoUD - I can hear it in my sleep!

The HORROR!!!

[THRILLHOUSE]

and sometime in the future we will probably see a tweet like this:

Congrats to my brother Brandon and ButlerMBB on making the Sweet 16! The Butler Way!

[GoMuskies]

Well, there are a number of reasons I think that is unlikely. :laugh:

[BMoreX]

Dayton might go to the elite eight.

[xfan52]

We call them the cryers but listen too us. We are as bad as them. Cheering against someone instead of for someone

[GoMuskies]

How is Kansas this awful?

[The_Mack_Pack]

When Tarik Black is your only offense then you know you're in trouble.

[xfan52]

They are putting it together now

[xavierj]

Dayton will go to elite 8. Stanford is very average. Who will Dayton get in elite8? If Florida that would be a tough matchup for the Flyers.

[GoMuskies]

Seems KU probably should have pressed the whole game given that Stanford doesn't have a PG and KU is super deep.

[xavierj]

They are putting it together now

Yep. Kansas cut it to 1.

[xfan52]

If it's Stanford they will. Kansas would be tough for Dayton The pressure they can put on u

[GoMuskies]

I am losing respect for Bill Self as a coach watching this game. This team makes some terrible decisions and takes some awful shots. Still might win, though.

[vee4xu]

Maybe the one way to stop the ud train is for them to play someone on an equal track. Two lucky cinderellas playing each other could be the best way to drive a stake squarely in ud's heart. Hoping so anyway!!!

[xfan52]

3 possession game. It's over

[xfan52]

Maybe not

[vee4xu]

Wiggins 4 points. Yea, player of the year. Right!

[Snipe]

I don't get the obsession with Dayton. They are not in our conference, and we don't even play them.

If anything, Dayton's success could light a fire under ESPN to try to schedule a prime time Nationally televised game again.

Dayton has an incredible fan base. Imagine how tough it has been on them for all of these years. Imagine how liberating it must feel to be finally back in the Sweet 16.

I grew up rooting for all the local teams. This area is rich in basketball and before Newspapers died you got pretty good coverage of a multitude of teams. Within a hundred miles as the crow flies you have UK, IU, Louisville, Ohio State, UC, Dayton, Miami. Sports bars in Cincinnati have been filled with all sorts of fans over the years this time of year, because our population draws from all of those fan bases. I think it is fun.

Does Dayton doing well adversely affect us? I can't see it. And if we are going to play them ever again in some sort of rivalry, it would help if they are highly rated.

UC having a great year probably got us into the Tournament, because we whooped them on a Neutral Court.

Can UD beat Stanford? I think that they can. I have rooted for Dayton in the non-con for years and in the post season. And that DePaul loss was indeed the ugliest game ever played in the Tournament. UD has a great long suffering fan base. It is great to see them have a little success. I will be rooting on the Flyers to make the Final Four.

People on here to shots at Dayton fans because they still talked about us this year and we weren't even playing them or in their league. They should look in the mirror when we have posts like this.

And watching Gumble calling Archie his brother Sean's name was hilarious. What a stupid moment in television. It was great.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Self should've played this Frankamp dude more today.

[Muskie]

wow...

[xsteve1]

Dayton will beat Stanford. It's all falling into place for them.

[GuyFawkes38]

Dayton will beat Stanford. It's all falling into place for them.

Well, Dayton will definitely not beat Florida.

[OTRMUSKIE]

I hate Dayton and I mean hate! However that fan base deserves the success and although I won't be rooting for them against Stanford I do congratulate them on reaching the Sweet 16.

[Juice]

Not the best of comparisons because Martelli didn't leave. It was a graduated player who could transfer and play without sitting out a year but it required St. Joe's consent. Martelli refused to consent because the kid gave really late notice leaving Martelli without time to recruit a replacement. Martelli then proceeded to plant the kid at the end of the bench and wasted his last year of eligibility. It was the definition if vengeful classlessness.

Just about every school (if not every school) lets incoming kids out of their NLI's if the head coach leaves before they arrive. A few might delay the process to try to re-sell the kid before letting him hit the open market, but even then they eventually give the release if the kid still wants it.

The kid played 10 minutes a game and averaged like 2 points. There was no need for a replacement. Martelli is a jackass.

[xsteve1]

Well, Dayton will definitely not beat Florida.

But UCLA might.

[vee4xu]

I don't get the obsession with Dayton.

Really? Hmmm, I must be overestimating my perception of you're being an astute person.

[xfan52]

I agree with you Snipe. This is an incredible area for college basketball. We should be happy for any team that has success in this area. As a kid I use to like to listen to Cincinnati games Miami games dayton games Louisville and of course Xavier. Pulled for all of them

[Caveat]

I hate Dayton and I mean hate! However that fan base deserves the success and although I won't be rooting for them against Stanford I do congratulate them on reaching the Sweet 16.

That fanbase deserves nothing. I hope Stanford hangs 100 on them.

[GoMuskies]

I personally give Dayton all the credit in the world for this run. Congrats to them.

I just hate them and wish they had lost every game all year. Because F them.

[Caveat]

I agree with you Snipe. This is an incredible area for college basketball. We should be happy for any team that has success in this area. As a kid I use to like to listen to Cincinnati games Miami games dayton games Louisville and of course Xavier. Pulled for all of them

Good accomplishments for other teams leads to increased ability to bring in recruits and more fans paying for tickets and buying merchandise. It negatively impacts other schools in the area.

[GoMuskies]

If Kentucky beats Wichita State I am just going to curl up into the fetal position and declare this Tournament a complete disaster.

[xsteve1]

I can't imagine if UD would get to the Final 4 before we do?

[xfan52]

They already have 1967. Finals

[GoMuskies]

I can't imagine if UD would get to the Final 4 before we do?

You mean again? Because they've been there before.

[xsteve1]

You mean again? Because they've been there before.

I'm talking this era since 1990. With X dominating them since 1990 with all of our NCAA wins.

[Snipe]

I agree with you Snipe. This is an incredible area for college basketball. We should be happy for any team that has success in this area. As a kid I use to like to listen to Cincinnati games Miami games dayton games Louisville and of course Xavier. Pulled for all of them

I remember pulling hard for the Redskins and following their games. They had a great thing going for awhile. It was entertaining and fun to root for, and when my team wasn't playing a way to follow hoops. Is Xavier better off now that Charlie Coles killed the program? I don't see it that way. Instead of richer I would argue the hoops scene is poorer because of it. Young adults today would have no idea how much fun the Redskins were to watch. In fact, they would say "Who are the Redskins?" They also pulled in some local talent, which gave an opportunity for players to go to a good program near home and even more incentive for local fans to root for them.

I remember when all the teams seemed pretty decent and they talked about the Mythical Miami Valley Conference. It was fun for everyone.

[xfan52]

I just can't imagine the word hate being used in discussing sports teams. I was taught not to hate, and if you do hate save it for the Hitlers of the world

[xfan52]

And everybody played everyone in the area at least once. And often home and home

[GoMuskies]

I hate Dayton. HATE, HATE, HATE them. But in a healthy sports sense only. I don't want all their grads to fail, for example. I think they should all have lucrative careers as sanitation engineers.

[xfan52]

Interesting do you think the coaches of x cincy nkyu Miami Dayton WSU Louisville my hate each other. Come April they are all out on the golf course together. They even send recruits there way, if they don't fit into their program

[BandAid]

I just can't imagine the word hate being used in discussing sports teams. I was taught not to hate, and if you do hate save it for the Hitlers of the world

Really? You can't imagine it? Come on...when someone say, "I loooove this t-shirt" are they really talking about authentic love? Hell no. Sports hatred is a legitimate thing, but it is not (or at least should not be) the same as authentic hate.

For example, I hate the Yankees. Now, do I really hate the Yankees? Do I want them to be plunged into eternal hell fire? Naw. Do I want them to never make the playoffs again? That sounds reasonable.

[xfan52]

I guess I'm just saying when there not playing X I root for them. Sorry

[xsteve1]

Per Brian Snow and others. Sean Miller absolutely hated UD and I'm sure Mack isn't real fond of that program. I have a hard time rooting for a fanbase that prints "Fuck Xavier" T shirts.

[vee4xu]

I remember in last week's BE tourney, when DougieMc scored the first five points very easily with a cut to the basket followed by a three pointer to put them up 5-0 within one minute. I mumbled, "I hate you McDerrmot." My wife said, that's terrible. To which I responded, I don't personally hate him, I wish no ill will upon him or his family, I just hate him for beating Xavier. So, let's not all get high and mighty about using "hate" in a sports context. Competitive people HATE losing and that's supposed to be a good thing. So, why is it if you hate that someone is beating you, that it can't be expressed by saying I hate you! Translation: I hate losing, you are beating me, so I hate you for beating me. Pretty simple stuff, really.

[GoMuskies]

This UK/WSU game is huge. HUGE!

[GoMuskies]

Four minutes in, and this is already the best game of Chadrack Lufile's career.

[STL_XUfan]

http://cdn2.mocksession.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/CRYING-KANSAS-FAN.gif

[GoMuskies]

Poor kid. I would have done the same for Louisville at his age.

[xfan52]

I told whoever would listen. And I'm sure a lot of people feel this way. I did not think Wichita deserved a 1 seed and won't get to sweet 16

[xudash]

I certainly didn't want to see UD win their first game, let alone advance, but consider the following:

1. If we feel this way about them this year, imagine how they've felt about us for a DECADE OR MORE.

2. They advance, so what is the nation - literally; it's been on CBS today - hearing: "first S16 since '84" "Cinderella."

3. How is their fanbase handling it: http://wdtn.com/2014/03/22/ud-dancing-into-the-sweet-16/

I think this whole thing has exposed just how much the UD fanbase knows how inept the program has been. Hell, they wanted Archie dead and gone as recently as January. This thing has exposed just how jealous UD fans are of Xavier. The vent and vile they spew evidence that. Otherwise, they would never comment about us. Beyond that, look how they handle success. Xavier fans have never been written up in that manner.

So they now get a partial day in the sun. But we all know what's coming here. It may not be after this year, but it will be soon: we are dealing with the Miller family here. The UD program is in no way, shape or form considered to be the last stop on the line for Archie's coaching aspirations. UD is going to have to navigate another coaching search sooner than later, and they've not always gotten that right, to put it politely.

The more I think about this, the more the level of separation between Xavier and UD becomes clear. One S16 since 1984 (3 decades) versus what we've accomplished! Xavier going from Staak to Gillen to Prosser to Matta to Miller to Mack - over 3 decades!

BTW, it really gets tight from here, as we all know. The stakes just went up significantly. As much as Archie wants to stay in the moment, I believe UD will be tight in their next game, while Stanford will know how to handle it. In no way is it a given that UD can get past a TEAM like Stanford. Besides, this is the NCAA Tournament, right? Anything can happen. Yes, that means that UD could come out looking like Creighton behind the arc, but I also could go out and break 80 on my bad hip next week.

Let's see how Cinderella does from here.

[GoMuskies]

I told whoever would listen. And I'm sure a lot of people feel this way. I did not think Wichita deserved a 1 seed and won't get to sweet 16

Eff UK. I think the Shockers are going to prove you to be less than knowledgeable.

[OTRMUSKIE]

I remember throwing a huge fit as a child when potopenko hit that shot to beat X at wright state. Kids take losses pretty hard. Adults have other things to focus on,kids not so much.

[LadyMuskie]

I told whoever would listen. And I'm sure a lot of people feel this way. I did not think Wichita deserved a 1 seed and won't get to sweet 16

Are you watching the game? Maybe you're too busy not hating . . .

[xfan52]

Time will tell.WSU is looking ok at the moment. Wasn't an attack on you, it was just a post. Didn't say I knowledgeable Just expressing my thoughts

[GoMuskies]

Time will tell.WSU is looking ok at the moment. Wasn't an attack on you, it was just a post. Didn't say I knowledgeable Just expressing my thoughts

I'm wondering if you've seen WSU play this year. Have you?

[xfan52]

You make being to busy not hating sound like a bad thing

[xfan52]

Yes many times.

[xsteve1]

Wichita just to well coached for UK.

[GoMuskies]

VanVleet is one of the most underrated players in America. He's giving Kentucky fits.

[xfan52]

I'll give them that. They do have a better coach

[OTRMUSKIE]

Keep shocking the world! Nuff said... We are THE University of Dayton, we can do anything. That right there is the reason people here hate Dayton. They don't have the mental compactly to put together logical thought. They win two games and all of a sudden they have taken over the basketball world. A lot mid-majors win two games in the dance these days. Did Xavier fans get arrested when we made the sweet 16 in 1990?

[xfan52]

Just such a weak schedule. Think that May play a role in this game

[xsteve1]

Keep shocking the world! Nuff said... We are THE University of Dayton, we can do anything. That right there is the reason people here hate Dayton. They don't have the mental compactly to put together logical thought. They win two games and all of a sudden they have taken over the basketball world. A lot mid-majors win two games in the dance these days. Did Xavier fans get arrested when we made the sweet 16 in 1990?

I had a bad feeling I was going to read about a death on the UD campus this morning, Thank God that didn't come true.

[Cheesehead]

We call them the cryers but listen too us. We are as bad as them. Cheering against someone instead of for someone

The differences I don't show up at the Cintas Center to root against them in a play-in game.

[vee4xu]

The differences I don't show up at the Cintas Center to root against them in a play-in game.

And as Tweeted by Shannon, showing up to root against X during practice. No less that it was St. Patrick's Day and those kids should be partying somewhere.