Snipe
03-16-2014, 03:30 AM
With all the talk about the Big East's demise, not much talk about a record 10 ACC teams not making the tournament. That has never come close to happening and shatters all records.
When I was growing up I think the ACC had 8 teams. I remember when they went to 9. It wouldn't have been possible for them to have 10 teams miss the tournament. I remember them getting 6 and even 7 bids. Think about 7 or your 9 teams going dancing. Think about that. Look at the destruction that Football Championship games and Mega Conferences have done to college basketball's historically greatest basketball league. I think they may have killed it forever. But oh wait, Louisville, a great program is joining next year, to make it 16 teams. I am sure that will solve the problem. They are going to find out too late that less is more.
My only hope is the the "NEW" Big East Conference doesn't follow the folly of conference expansion. The Big East may or may not have a #1 seed. Nova has a chance, and they could have locked it up but didn't. The Big East is in the running in my opinion for the National Title this year in a big bad way. We have two teams in my opinion that could take the crown. You can get there from here. This league is a premiere and elite league in every way, and 40% of our teams are making the dance. It could have been 50% or 60% in another year. Marquette was ranked in the preseason, Georgetown is a basketball power that lost inexplicable non-conference games, and St. Johns came within a hair of making it this year, perhaps a game away.
ESPN might highlight the loss of the Big East Basketball Contract by talking down about our league, but have they talked about this?
Five league teams – Virginia, North Carolina, Duke, Syracuse and Pittsburgh – are projected to make the 68-team field. Five would have been a good total back when the ACC was an eight- or nine-team league, but it’s hardly a good showing anymore – not with 15 conference teams.
The math is simple enough. If five – and only five – ACC teams make the field, it would tie the league’s worst NCAA tournament representation (by percentage) since the field expanded in 1985 to 64 teams. It would also continue the conference’s downward trend of tournament representation.
The upcoming tournament will be the 30th since it became a 64-team event. In 18 of the past 29 tournaments, the ACC has placed at least half its teams in the field.
That hasn’t happened, though, since 2010, when six of 12 received bids. Four teams – 33 percent – made it last season, and that was again the case in 2011. In 2012, five went.
If five teams receive bids a week from Sunday, it’d be the equivalent – percentage-wise – of 1999 and 2000, when three of the ACC’s nine teams were selected. Those were seen as lean years for the ACC – despite the dominance of Duke and Maryland – and this one would be remembered that way, too.
Not that Duke coach Mike Krzyzewski agrees with it. He expressed disbelief earlier this week that the ACC might wind up being a five-bid league.
The Big East is a better rated conference than the ACC. That is a fact just looking at the statistics. No eye test there, just math. We win.
I bet in the last 20 years the ACC kicked the Big East's ass in every way, and you could measure that in RPI ratings and the % of conference teams to get bids. I bet in the next ten we win that battle as long as we don't expand. Anyone want to take that bet? In terms of Conference RPI ratings or % of bids? The ACC got more bids than us this year, but they have 5 more teams. We have 4 bids, and another 3 teams will be playing in the NIT. Only Seton Hall, DePaul and Butler's season ended today. We got a higher percentage of our teams in the dance than they do, and we had a higher RPI rating. And all that in a year when the preseason pick to win the conference and preseason ranked Marquette tanked in the non-con, and Georgetown tanked in the non con. If those two teams would have played well, we probably would have been ranked 2nd or a close third in the conference rankings.
The ACC signed a death warrant for it's own demise. It will still be a great league for sure. You got some great teams. The five teams that made the dance really are good, and some fantastic. But the 10 that didn't make it is a conference record. And it will be a growing problem. Louisville comes in next year and will kick all the bottom half then and again.
Sometimes less is more.
I say screw all the people that talk of the old Big East. The New Big East is a better conference on paper than the ACC in every year that we have played basketball. It may be just one year to base the stats on, but I like our chances going forward.
Jay Bilas, Put That In Your Pipe And Smoke It.
When I was growing up I think the ACC had 8 teams. I remember when they went to 9. It wouldn't have been possible for them to have 10 teams miss the tournament. I remember them getting 6 and even 7 bids. Think about 7 or your 9 teams going dancing. Think about that. Look at the destruction that Football Championship games and Mega Conferences have done to college basketball's historically greatest basketball league. I think they may have killed it forever. But oh wait, Louisville, a great program is joining next year, to make it 16 teams. I am sure that will solve the problem. They are going to find out too late that less is more.
My only hope is the the "NEW" Big East Conference doesn't follow the folly of conference expansion. The Big East may or may not have a #1 seed. Nova has a chance, and they could have locked it up but didn't. The Big East is in the running in my opinion for the National Title this year in a big bad way. We have two teams in my opinion that could take the crown. You can get there from here. This league is a premiere and elite league in every way, and 40% of our teams are making the dance. It could have been 50% or 60% in another year. Marquette was ranked in the preseason, Georgetown is a basketball power that lost inexplicable non-conference games, and St. Johns came within a hair of making it this year, perhaps a game away.
ESPN might highlight the loss of the Big East Basketball Contract by talking down about our league, but have they talked about this?
Five league teams – Virginia, North Carolina, Duke, Syracuse and Pittsburgh – are projected to make the 68-team field. Five would have been a good total back when the ACC was an eight- or nine-team league, but it’s hardly a good showing anymore – not with 15 conference teams.
The math is simple enough. If five – and only five – ACC teams make the field, it would tie the league’s worst NCAA tournament representation (by percentage) since the field expanded in 1985 to 64 teams. It would also continue the conference’s downward trend of tournament representation.
The upcoming tournament will be the 30th since it became a 64-team event. In 18 of the past 29 tournaments, the ACC has placed at least half its teams in the field.
That hasn’t happened, though, since 2010, when six of 12 received bids. Four teams – 33 percent – made it last season, and that was again the case in 2011. In 2012, five went.
If five teams receive bids a week from Sunday, it’d be the equivalent – percentage-wise – of 1999 and 2000, when three of the ACC’s nine teams were selected. Those were seen as lean years for the ACC – despite the dominance of Duke and Maryland – and this one would be remembered that way, too.
Not that Duke coach Mike Krzyzewski agrees with it. He expressed disbelief earlier this week that the ACC might wind up being a five-bid league.
The Big East is a better rated conference than the ACC. That is a fact just looking at the statistics. No eye test there, just math. We win.
I bet in the last 20 years the ACC kicked the Big East's ass in every way, and you could measure that in RPI ratings and the % of conference teams to get bids. I bet in the next ten we win that battle as long as we don't expand. Anyone want to take that bet? In terms of Conference RPI ratings or % of bids? The ACC got more bids than us this year, but they have 5 more teams. We have 4 bids, and another 3 teams will be playing in the NIT. Only Seton Hall, DePaul and Butler's season ended today. We got a higher percentage of our teams in the dance than they do, and we had a higher RPI rating. And all that in a year when the preseason pick to win the conference and preseason ranked Marquette tanked in the non-con, and Georgetown tanked in the non con. If those two teams would have played well, we probably would have been ranked 2nd or a close third in the conference rankings.
The ACC signed a death warrant for it's own demise. It will still be a great league for sure. You got some great teams. The five teams that made the dance really are good, and some fantastic. But the 10 that didn't make it is a conference record. And it will be a growing problem. Louisville comes in next year and will kick all the bottom half then and again.
Sometimes less is more.
I say screw all the people that talk of the old Big East. The New Big East is a better conference on paper than the ACC in every year that we have played basketball. It may be just one year to base the stats on, but I like our chances going forward.
Jay Bilas, Put That In Your Pipe And Smoke It.