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[drudy23]

You know it's going to happen...UD vs XU...ugh.

[xavierj]

I don't think so. If you really look at it Xavier has a better resume than Nebraska, BYU, SMU and Tennessee. And even though Xavier lost by 3 to Iowa, Xavier still has a better resume than they do. Iowa looks really shaky having only beat three teams in the top 50 and they are 3-7 in the last 10. They also went .500 in conference play.

[StanleyOwnsYou]

I don't think so. If you really look at it Xavier has a better resume than Nebraska, BYU, SMU and Tennessee. And even though Xavier lost by 3 to Iowa, Xavier still has a better resume than they do. Iowa looks really shaky having only beat three teams in the top 50 and they are 3-7 in the last 10. They also went .500 in conference play.

As much s I'd like to see it, there is no way Iowa receives a worse seed than X. Just no way. I do agree with you about BYU, SMU, Tennessee though. Will be interesting to see where UT ends up. I think they passed the eye test for sure today with their effort against the Gators and we split with them so they are definitely one to keep an eye on.

[Masterofreality]

Jeezuz, let's stop with the obsession with everything coming back to the Men's room on Moses. The Committe has NEVER placed the 3rd place team in the 3rd/4th best league in the play-in. Enough with the paranoia about ourselves with no vision of others' flaws.

There are a number of teams that have ahelluva lot worse resume than Xavier in this deal. KState and Nebraska are two of them. I think we'll have a bye.

[KabeX]

Jeezuz, let's stop with the obsession with everything coming back to the Men's room on Moses.

There are a number of teams that have ahelluva lot worse resume than Xavier in this deal. KState and Nebraska are two of them. I think we'll have a bye.
This.

We'll be a 10 or 11 in STL, Mil or Raleigh.

[xubrew]

I don't think so. If you really look at it Xavier has a better resume than Nebraska, BYU, SMU and Tennessee. And even though Xavier lost by 3 to Iowa, Xavier still has a better resume than they do. Iowa looks really shaky having only beat three teams in the top 50 and they are 3-7 in the last 10. They also went .500 in conference play.

I don't think SMU will even make the field. I'm not that big on Tennessee either, but it's easier to argue for them than for SMU.

[Caveat]

I'd turn it down.

Major conference programs don't participate in this play-in nonsense. And besides that, your best case scenario is playing a game in two days against a rested opponent who hasn't had to travel twice. No point in showing up for that.

[Filthy Conservative]

I'd turn it down.

Major conference programs don't participate in this play-in nonsense. And besides that, your best case scenario is playing a game in two days against a rested opponent who hasn't had to travel twice. No point in showing up for that.

Snipe and Kahns bailed on Dana's for Creighton. The play-in game is punishment for their hubris.

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[gladdenguy]

I don't necessarily agree Drudy.......they could play in Dayton on Wednesday. I do think they will be playing in Dayton. Sucks.

[94GRAD]

snipe and kahns bailed on dana's for creighton. The play-in game is punishment for their hubris.

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[xubrew]

I don't get why Lunardi likes SMU, or why he thinks the committee will like SMU.

[Snipe]

Jeezuz, let's stop with the obsession with everything coming back to the Men's room on Moses. The Committe has NEVER placed the 3rd place team in the 3rd/4th best league in the play-in. Enough with the paranoia about ourselves with no vision of others' flaws.

There are a number of teams that have ahelluva lot worse resume than Xavier in this deal. KState and Nebraska are two of them. I think we'll have a bye.

MasterofReality is the voice of reason yet again.

We will never play in Dayton again.

That filthy dump is on my must-miss list for the rest of my life. You need to get vaccinations just to get a passport to go there. It is a human sewer.

And Dayton will not play in the play in game. The committee is too wise to give them a home game against another tournament team. That has never happened in the history of the tournament. It won't happen now. Much wiser men than Joey Brackets are actually making the brackets.

[OTRMUSKIE]

No way x plays in Dayton. For one they would never let a program like X catch Hep C and 2 they would never let a program like X play in a NIT Arena. We played Marquette and Creighton they played Fordham and The Norwood Scale level 6. If you don't know how bad level 6 is please look it up.

[xubball1993]

I feel dirty just reading about UDump and communicable diseases. Still, it was worth the risk some 10 years ago to watch Sato and the X-Men roar back to seize the A10 title from Dayton on their own floor. And the Run commenced... Could it be karma? Start another ridiculous run with craphole city of Dayton as our springboard?

[X-band '01]

MasterofReality is the voice of reason yet again.

We will never play in Dayton again.

That filthy dump is on my must-miss list for the rest of my life. You need to get vaccinations just to get a passport to go there. It is a human sewer.

And Dayton will not play in the play in game. The committee is too wise to give them a home game against another tournament team. That has never happened in the history of the tournament. It won't happen now. Much wiser men than Joey Brackets are actually making the brackets.

Not since the late 80s have teams been able to play on their home court. I think 1986 was the last season it happened with LSU and Syracuse. Syracuse lost in the 2nd round and LSU parlayed a pair of home wins into a Final 4 appearance.

[xavierj]

I don't get why Lunardi likes SMU, or why he thinks the committee will like SMU.

Not sure what he likes about Iowa. Best non conference win was Xavier in overtime, they have 14 of 20 100+ rip wins and 7 +200 wins, they have lost 6 of last 7 and 7 off last 10, they have three good conference wins and lost 10 of 19 conference games, including 137 rpi Northwestern who lost at home to DePaul, and Iowa is 7-8 in road neutral games. That resume pretty much sucks.

[vee4xu]

From Lundardi early this morning:

Xavier [21-12 (10-8), RPI: 46, SOS: 30] We figured the Musketeers would be in slightly safer shape by now; we figured we'd lock them in eventually. They were trending that way, and then they weren't. As-is, we think they'll get in and avoid the First Four ... provided the committee doesn't get greedy and put Dayton and Xavier on the same line in the "opening" rounds. Actually, who are we kidding?! We totally want that to happen! Get greedy, selection committee!

Just depends how sick a sense of humor the committee has.

[XUFan09]

When (not if) the tournament expands again, I expect there to be a second site for play-in games. At that point, we won't have to worry about this crap. UD could be the 351st team in the country and still it would be a hostile "neutral court" environment for an NCAA Tournament game.

[Masterofreality]

Snipe and Kahns bailed on Dana's for Creighton. The play-in game is punishment for their hubris.

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Presumptive, pretentious, pomposity on their part. They sow what they reap.

That being said, props to Snipe for the "voice of reason" reference. As always, it's about who's ox is being gored.

[XUFan09]

Not sure what he likes about Iowa. Best non conference win was Xavier in overtime, they have 14 of 20 100+ rip wins and 7 +200 wins, they have lost 6 of last 7 and 7 off last 10, they have three good conference wins and lost 10 of 19 conference games, including 137 rpi Northwestern who lost at home to DePaul, and Iowa is 7-8 in road neutral games. That resume pretty much sucks.

I just looked at Iowa's resume for the first time (for a long time only paying attention to their RPI for how it affected Xavier). Iowa State was the only road game they played in the non-conference schedule. Incredibly, they scheduled @ #9 Iowa State, vs. #6 Villanova, and vs. #46 Xavier and still managed to have a non-conference SOS ranked 190th! Almost all the other teams sucked (#101 UTEP, also in that tournament, was okay). I think Andy Katz is the one that talks about "effective record" (teams inside the top 200). Their non-conference record was 10-2. Their effective record would have been 4-2. Their conference record was also 9-10 and their road record 4-6 (same as Xavier's).

This is the kind of thing that gets a team snubbed. Not one of these metrics individually (except maybe non-con SOS, see Iowa and Virginia last year), but these metrics as a group. I don't know if Iowa will necessarily get snubbed, as they have only one bad loss, and a few nice wins. But, they are a prime candidate for a play-in game. I guess that's why Dance Card has them as the second-to-last team in the tournament.

[Muskie]

I'd turn it down.

Major conference programs don't participate in this play-in nonsense. And besides that, your best case scenario is playing a game in two days against a rested opponent who hasn't had to travel twice. No point in showing up for that.

You'd turn down an NCAA tournament bid if we had to play in the "first round"?????

Or is it because it's in Dayton?

I don't get that thinking at all.

[xubrew]

Iowa will get some credit for the Notre Dame win because that was prior to them losing their best player for the season. They also won at Ohio State and at Illinois, so at least they beat some good teams on the road at some point. They also avoided bad losses.

SMU had some big home court wins in conference and won at UConn. And.....they had some big home court wins in conference, and won at UConn.

They played a horrendously weak OOC schedule, did not avoid bad losses, and didn't even look that good all that often away from home. I think they're a great story as far as their program being in the midst of a huge turnaround, and had they avoided a couple of shit losses away from home they'd probably be okay, but they didn't. And, if there is such a thing as an eye test, they don't even look that good away from home. At least Iowa looks decent. Their losses have been somewhat competitive games to really good teams in hostile environments. SMU's losses have been to Houston and Temple.

[vee4xu]

I don't get why Lunardi likes SMU, or why he thinks the committee will like SMU.


Probably some sort of Larry Brown man-crush, or something like that.

[bobbiemcgee]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-basketball/news/20140316/bubble-watch-bracket-watch-march-16-selection-sunday/#ixzz2w8EU8TEV

[Bmuskie]

If Xavier does play at ud, my family and I have decided we will not be going. UD has a history of being very hostile, both verbally and physically, toward opposing fans (especially Xavier) and I want to make sure my family remains safe. To anyone that goes (if xavier is one of the last 4 in) Be safe, be smart and don't sink to their level.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Well the hospital is requiring that I get my annual TB test. Do I wait till I get back from the Dump to have the test?

[Masterofreality]

Well the hospital is requiring that I get my annual TB test. Do I wait till I get back from the Dump to have the test?

Probably not, but you should be checked for Hepititus and Syphillus with a side of Gonnoreah.

[Muskie]

If Xavier does play at ud, my family and I have decided we will not be going. UD has a history of being very hostile, both verbally and physically, toward opposing fans (especially Xavier) and I want to make sure my family remains safe. To anyone that goes (if xavier is one of the last 4 in) Be safe, be smart and don't sink to their level.

I could be wrong. But do the "last four in" always play in the play in game? I don't think that's the case.

[THRILLHOUSE]

I could be wrong. But do the "last four in" always play in the play in game? I don't think that's the case.

Yes. It was covered in another thread, but I'll repeat it here: The "First Four" consists of the last four at-larges and the last four automatic qualifiers.

[Caveat]

You'd turn down an NCAA tournament bid if we had to play in the "first round"?????

Or is it because it's in Dayton?

I don't get that thinking at all.

The "play-in game" is not the real tournament. You're playing for a right to be in the tournament. It's insulting and something that would never happen to a major program.

Plus, with the extra travel and game, you're at a massive disadvantage even if you win your game.

So, really, what's the point?

[gladdenguy]

I know ur frustrated Caveat and I am too but it is still better than the NIT. It will still go down as our 24th appearance and the wins will still count for our tourney wins. Hopefully MOR is correct on this and we avoid Dayton bc of the SOS and finishing 3rd in the Big East.

[Masterofreality]

Want a surprise today? Toledo in, SMU out. Toledo in the dump.

[Muskie]

Do play in games count for NCAA credits?

[Masterofreality]

Do play in games count for NCAA credits?

Yes.

[Xavier]

The "play-in game" is not the real tournament. You're playing for a right to be in the tournament. It's insulting and something that would never happen to a major program.

Plus, with the extra travel and game, you're at a massive disadvantage even if you win your game.

So, really, what's the point?

Didn't a team from play in game go far one year? That's the point.

[ThrowDownDBrown]

I'd turn it down.

Major conference programs don't participate in this play-in nonsense. And besides that, your best case scenario is playing a game in two days against a rested opponent who hasn't had to travel twice. No point in showing up for that.

Dumbest post I've ever seen on here

[THRILLHOUSE]

The "play-in game" is not the real tournament. You're playing for a right to be in the tournament. It's insulting and something that would never happen to a major program.

Plus, with the extra travel and game, you're at a massive disadvantage even if you win your game.

So, really, what's the point?

Yep, it really hurt VCU when they went to the final four and La Salle last year going to the Sweet 16.

Lighten up Francis.

[vee4xu]

Do play in games count for NCAA credits?


The NCAA refers to it as Round 1, so it must.

[Retire33]

The "play-in game" is not the real tournament. You're playing for a right to be in the tournament. It's insulting and something that would never happen to a major program.

Plus, with the extra travel and game, you're at a massive disadvantage even if you win your game.

So, really, what's the point?

Tell that to VCU and La Salle

Thillhouse beat me to it.

[XUFan09]

Want a surprise today? Toledo in, SMU out. Toledo in the dump.

10-6 away from home, and they scheduled 5 road games in their non-conference slate, only losing to Kansas. Weak schedule, only good wins are at #92 Akron and (sorta good) at home against #66 Western Michigan and #87 Ohio. Kenpom ranking of 102nd.

That would be pretty funny, just to see the responses from the pundits.

[RealDeal]

Dumbest post I've ever seen on here

Pretty much.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Want a surprise today? Toledo in, SMU out. Toledo in the dump.

or maybe Wisconsin-Green Bay

[Masterofreality]

After giving one final review of the whole picture, I am even more confident that Xavier will NOT be at the Commode. X's RPI is 47 with a 25 SOS, blah, blah.

As I look at this, the last 4 in will be K State (51 RPI), either Minnesota (50) ORMizzou (49), Florida State (54) OR SMU (53) OR Iowa (57) or some combination of any 4 of those 6. Nebraska at 48- one spot behind XU, is in. The Committee may take Toledo (RPI 38) (by the way Green Bay is 58) over one of the 6 listed. I'm even giving the Atlantic 10 their 6 bids, but in any event, by all the numbers, Xavier is still barely safe as a bye because:

A) Higher RPI than any of the 6.
B) Better Schedule strength than all of the 6.
C) 12 of the schools that I have firmly in are lower rated on Pomeroy than Xavier.

All the metrics are in Xavier's favor, and there are no other surprises lurking because no one else did a damn thing in their conference tourneys to make a splash and there are no more bid stealers.

My final conclusion: 11 seed with the bye possibly against Ohio State or UCon somewhere.

[XU3232]

After giving one final review of the whole picture, I am even more confident that Xavier will NOT be at the Commode. X's RPI is 47 with a 25 SOS, blah, blah.

As I look at this, the last 4 in will be K State (51 RPI), either Minnesota (50) ORMizzou (49), Florida State (54) OR SMU (53) OR Iowa (57) or some combination of any 4 of those 6. Nebraska at 48- one spot behind XU, is in. The Committee may take Toledo (RPI 38) (by the way Green Bay is 58) over one of the 6 listed. I'm even giving the Atlantic 10 their 6 bids, but in any event, by all the numbers, Xavier is still barely safe as a bye because:

A) Higher RPI than any of the 6.
B) Better Schedule strength than all of the 6.
C) 12 of the schools that I have firmly in are lower rated on Pomeroy than Xavier.

All the metrics are in Xavier's favor, and there are no other surprises lurking because no one else did a damn thing in their conference tourneys to make a splash and there are no more bid stealers.

My final conclusion: 11 seed with the bye possibly against Ohio State or UCon somewhere.

I hope you're right! I just really don't want us to have to play there. The crowd would be brutal.

[X-Fan]

10-6 away from home, and they scheduled 5 road games in their non-conference slate, only losing to Kansas. Weak schedule, only good wins are at #92 Akron and (sorta good) at home against #66 Western Michigan and #87 Ohio. Kenpom ranking of 102nd.

That would be pretty funny, just to see the responses from the pundits.
I just don't see it. UT had a good season, but really didn't beat anyone. I went to a few of their games, including their butt whipping against WMU yesterday, and they just don't pass the eye test either. No size, poor D, few consistent outside threats. Also, when is the last time the MAC got an at-large bid? It's not a good BBall conference, and I'm saying this as a UT Alum & fan.

[XUFan09]

Oh no, I definitely don't think Toledo will be in, but I enjoy watching the pundits get pissed off.

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[GoMuskies]

Play-in game participants over the years: BYU, Iona, Cal, South Florida, Clemson, UAB, VCU, Southern Cal, Middle Tennessee, St. Mary's, Boise State and LaSalle. I definitely do not see us as "too good" to join that group.

[X-band '01]

It also tells me that the NCAA may select a team like Belmont or UW-Green Bay (and snub a team like SMU) just to send a message regarding scheduling and winning games away from home.

[Caveat]

Play-in game participants over the years: BYU, Iona, Cal, South Florida, Clemson, UAB, VCU, Southern Cal, Middle Tennessee, St. Mary's, Boise State and LaSalle. I definitely do not see us as "too good" to join that group.

Wake me when a real powerhouse program on a down year gets asked to "play in" to the NCAA tournament.

[GoMuskies]

Wake me when a real powerhouse program on a down year gets asked to "play in" to the NCAA tournament.

What does that have to do with Xavier?

[crolfes12]

Have to also remember, Lunardi uses the RPI where Abilene Christian counts as a game. The SOS for ESPN is 40 vs CBS 25. That's a big difference when looking at the possible bubble teams

[THRILLHOUSE]

Wake me when a real powerhouse program on a down year gets asked to "play in" to the NCAA tournament.

Kentucky would've gladly accepted that last season.

[ThrowDownDBrown]

Wake me when a real powerhouse program on a down year gets asked to "play in" to the NCAA tournament.

UK would have loved an invite to the first four last year. Same goes for Arizona in 2012. O and wake me up when Xavier becomes a "real powerhouse program."

[Caveat]

What does that have to do with Xavier?

Big-time programs don't get asked to play-in.

I recognize I'm not going to change anyone's mind here, but the play-in game is a marketing gimmick. It was stupid when it was just between 16 seeds, it's even dumber now that they're involving 11 seeds.

[sirthought]

Big-time programs don't get asked to play-in.

I recognize I'm not going to change anyone's mind here, but the play-in game is a marketing gimmick. It was stupid when it was just between 16 seeds, it's even dumber now that they're involving 11 seeds.

Yes, you won't change my mind. On all accounts here I think you're wrong.

[GoMuskies]

I agree that it's dumb, but it beats the hell out of expanding to 96 which seemed to be the other option. And Xavier is not a major big-time program that can turn its nose up at the play-in.

[sirthought]

Why is it dumb? The first four creates the best scenario for getting a few deserving teams a chance, although it is a penalty to have to work with a play-in situation. But being a 16 doesn't necessarily mean you deserve that penalty, so it's ideal the way they've worked it out.

I don't care if you're from Big East, Big Ten, MEAC or OVC...if your resume is borderline with the rest of the field, as Xavier's is at the moment, then you might get that penalty.

[GoMuskies]

I just think 64 is enough. Benefits us this year, perhaps, but I don't think we need the four extra teams.

[paulxu]

Have to also remember, Lunardi uses the RPI where Abilene Christian counts as a game. The SOS for ESPN is 40 vs CBS 25. That's a big difference when looking at the possible bubble teams

Which is why I like Dance Card cause they use the NCAA RPI.

[Xavier]

I agree. The only reason I like it is because it shows just how dumb a 96 team tournament would be. Can barely find 68 teams deserving.

[OH.X.MI]

If Xavier does play at ud, my family and I have decided we will not be going. UD has a history of being very hostile, both verbally and physically, toward opposing fans (especially Xavier) and I want to make sure my family remains safe. To anyone that goes (if xavier is one of the last 4 in) Be safe, be smart and don't sink to their level.

Don't blame you not brining kids. I plan on going if we have to play there. But I am sure as hell going to keep my wits about me. Have had scary experience at Dayton in the past.

[Caveat]

Why is it dumb? The first four creates the best scenario for getting a few deserving teams a chance, although it is a penalty to have to work with a play-in situation. But being a 16 doesn't necessarily mean you deserve that penalty, so it's ideal the way they've worked it out.

I don't care if you're from Big East, Big Ten, MEAC or OVC...if your resume is borderline with the rest of the field, as Xavier's is at the moment, then you might get that penalty.

There's an argument to be made for a 16-seed play in since most 16 seeds are only in the tournament because they won the equivalent of a CYO league that carries an automatic bid. It's not fair, but I get it as a compromise to allow automatic bids to crap conferences and get small schools a chance.

The 11/12 seed play in is just a joke to get more games on TV. It might help X this year, but it's still a stupid idea born out of a desire to make more money for the NCAA.

[Milhouse]

Everyone that thinks the 11 seed play in game means nothing...you better go tell that to VCU. I'm sure they'll remove their Final Four Banner because it obviously "meant nothing" since they started in Dayton.

Seriously it's as if some of these posters only watch Xavier and absolutely no other College Basketball.

[Masterofreality]

Here's my bottom line.

I want mre time for Big Stain to heal.

[GoMuskies]

My bottom line: If I get to see Xavier play 3 times this week instead of 2, I won't complain too much.

Honestly, this year I just want us in. Don't care on seedings or matchups. Just get in.

[vee4xu]

My bottom line: If I get to see Xavier play 3 times this week instead of 2, I won't complain too much.

Honestly, this year I just want us in. Don't care on seedings or matchups. Just get in.

Agree.

[PM Thor]

Earlier in the day I was concerned with X going to dayton, but after the day wore on, looking at other possible teams that would have to go to dayton, I'm feeling like it's less and less of a concern. There are 3-4 other teams, like SMU, BYU, and yeah dayton, who should be more worried (or elated in daytons case) to get the play in. I strongly feel that X is a solid 11, probably the 3rd of 4.

But if we do go to dayton, I'm going to throw up. Guaranteed.

[GoMuskies]

But if we do go to dayton, I'm going to throw up. Guaranteed.

Nice of you to do your part to beautify the place.

[xu82]

My bottom line: If I get to see Xavier play 3 times this week instead of 2, I won't complain too much.

Honestly, this year I just want us in. Don't care on seedings or matchups. Just get in.

Sadly, that's exactly how I feel about it. I don't want a two year drought. I'd love a run this year, obviously, but just making an appearance is my goal.

[kyxu]

Well, at least we're not playing Dayton.

They're the Buckeyes' problem now.

[Muskie]

NC State v. X

[vee4xu]

In the end, Providence winning the tournament did X in. The selection committee simply switched places between X and Providence.

[xubrew]

We're on the #12 line, which mean's we're behind at least the two teams on the #11 line. I don't think Providence winning would have knocked us behind Tennessee and Iowa, who both beat us BTW. That may have been the deciding factor for the committee.