Big East Tournament Thread

[Masterofreality]

And here's the bracket:
All Games on Fox Sports 1

Wednesday
7p.m.
#9 Butler vs #8 Seton Hall
9:30p.m.
#7 Georgetown vs #10 DePaul

Thursday
NOON
#1 Villanova vs #9 Butler/ #8 Seton Hall
2:30p.m.
#4 Providence vs #5 St. John's
7p.m.
#2 Creighton vs. #7 Georgetown/#10 DePaul
9:30p.m.
#3 Xavier vs #6 Marquette

Friday
7p.m.
Winner Villanova/Butler/Seton Hall vs Winner Providence/St. Johns
9:30p.m.
Winner Creighton/Georgetown/DePaul vs Winner Xavier/ Marquette

Saturday
8:30pm
CHAMPIONSHIP

[paulxu]

Just curious . Did the BE tourney go into Sunday last year?

[GoMuskies]

No, the final has been on Saturday night for a long time.

[bleedXblue]

Hopefully we have the Stainbrook to help with Gardner........

[Masterofreality]

Marquette's wild cards are Todd Mayo and Jamil Wilson. They both shoot 32% from 3 and both make great and also bonehead plays. How they start out will set the tone for this game. If they're hitting it opens up Gardner and there can be less attention on Thomas. That is why Marquette is so inconsistent.

I'm hoping the BAD Mayo and BAD Wilson show up in New York.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Todd Mayo reminds me of the Seinfeld episode at Joe Mayos party where Puddy wears the fur jacket and Jerry is in charge of not allowing anybody to tap of the fish tank glass.

http://31.media.tumblr.com/3f38dd38a0348de84c65e8d8f59492a8/tumblr_mnb9jgtFS81s99m4bo1_500.jpg

[casualfan]

It always worries me playing a team that has talented seniors playing potentially their last meaningful game ever.

Marquette has seniors Jamil Wilson, Chris Otule, Devin Gardner, and Jake Thomas.

I hope we can match the effort and intensity they will undoubtedly come out with.

[OTRMUSKIE]

I wanted to play the Johnnies so bad. We match up well with them. It is hard to beat a team 3 times in a year but it will be more hard to beat a Marquette team that we don't match up with very well and probably a 70% Stain. I still say X is dancing as long as the right teams win their tournament and that includes the BET. we are projected as a 1 seed in the NIT if that excites anyone. I rather not play in any tournament if we don't get invited to The Dance.

[BMoreX]

Heard Gus and Bill will be calling 7 of the 9 tournament games.

That is crazy.

[GoMuskies]

Are they taking the afternoon off on Thursday?

[The_Mack_Pack]

Are they taking the afternoon off on Thursday?

I think they call every game besides the two on Wednesday.

[bobbiemcgee]

The Run Dos, I say. All the way to FF.

[xuinmd]

Anyone heard of plans for an alum event?

[Muskie]

I know there is one. But don't have the details.

[RoadWarrior]

Details can be found on the Alumni website
http://www.xavier.edu/postseason/big-east-tournament-men-2014.cfm
Looks like events are during the day, with games at night!

[xubrew]

I REALLLLY don't want to lose to Marquette.

[casualfan]

Adam Zagoria ‏@AdamZagoria 5m
Re: Big East Tourney ticket sales, have been told that only Creighton sold out their allotment. Wonder what crowds will be like at MSG?

How the hell does St. John's not sell theirs out?

[GoMuskies]

Adam Zagoria ‏@AdamZagoria 5m

How the hell does St. John's not sell theirs out?

Because St. John's fans can much more easily pick up a single game ticket for the only game they're going to play in the Tournament and not waste their money on the semis and the final.

[Masterofreality]

Haters gonna hate. Per Ticketmaster there are a verified 3,500 tix left for each session. Not bad. It would be good across the board if St. Johns beats Providence Thursday.

The place seats 19,500. That is a 16,000 pre sell. Hell, the A-10 barely got 16,000 to the whole damn tournament even with 3 Philly teams.

[GoMuskies]

It would be pretty hilarious to see a Creighton/St. John's final in the Garden with Creighton fans outnumbering St. John's fans.

[THRILLHOUSE]

I think they call every game besides the two on Wednesday.

I don't think that is true. Justin Kutcher and Tarik Turner are calling the Thursday afternoon games (per Tom Eiser).

[sgarcia]

I don't think that is true. Justin Kutcher and Tarik Turner are calling the Thursday afternoon games (per Tom Eiser).

I think Gus and Raftery are calling all games except the Thursday afternoon session.

[Mel Cooley XU'81]

It always worries me playing a team that has talented seniors playing potentially their last meaningful game ever.

Marquette has seniors Jamil Wilson, Chris Otule, Devin Gardner, and Jake Thomas.

I hope we can match the effort and intensity they will undoubtedly come out with.

Well, Cas, I do, too.

But, really. "Hoping" for "intensity" at this time of year?

I wish we could push past that!

Yeeesh.

[casualfan]

Well, Cas, I do, too.

But, really. "Hoping" for "intensity" at this time of year?

I wish we could push past that!

Yeeesh.


Hey, you and me both. Having said that I'm not sure how anyone could confidently say that the team will come out with fire and intensity Thursday. I hope they will, but it won't surprise me if they don't.

[Masterofreality]

Hey, you and me both. Having said that I'm not sure how anyone could confidently say that the team will come out with fire and intensity Thursday. I hope they will, but it won't surprise me if they don't.

Well, if they don't that means that they won't win, wouldn't deserve to, nor really wanted to anyway.

No one should need an alarm clock now.

[BMoreX]

@jppalmCBS: Yes RT @dmart76: Is the providence game vs St. John's considered a road game for rpi purposes?

[XUFan09]

@jppalmCBS: Yes RT @dmart76: Is the providence game vs St. John's considered a road game for rpi purposes?

Providence is in the tournament if they win, whereas St. John's might have to win another (versus Villanova, most likely).

[gladdenguy]

So our best bet is St. Johns beating Providence then getting crushed against Villanova. That might put both those teams out regardless of what happens in the Xavier game. Also, Georgetown getting crushed to Creighton on revenge from last week in D.C.
Then, if we would lose to Marquette and Marquette loses to Creighton, it would be up to the committee whether or not there would be 2 or 3 Big East teams in the dance.
Man this scares me. Just one win. One freakin win.

[xufan2434]

I just honestly don't know what the hell to expect without Stainbrook in there. Of course we get the one fricken team that we reaaaaally need him in there.

So far this season, X really hasn't ad a problem scoring on these guys. Although that was with Stainbrook getting a lot of easy buckets, the turnovers were just terrible on the road. Lazy bounce passes along the perimeter that everyone hates were abundant in that game. Just please for the love of God guard Jake Thomas on the perimeter. X can't come back from large deficits created from 3's. If they bring the intensity on defense then I like our chances.

[casualfan]

I just honestly don't know what the hell to expect without Stainbrook in there. Of course we get the one fricken team that we reaaaaally need him in there.

So far this season, X really hasn't ad a problem scoring on these guys. Although that was with Stainbrook getting a lot of easy buckets, the turnovers were just terrible on the road. Lazy bounce passes along the perimeter that everyone hates were abundant in that game. Just please for the love of God guard Jake Thomas on the perimeter. X can't come back from large deficits created from 3's. If they bring the intensity on defense then I like our chances.

The problem I see with regards to our plan to defend Thomas is that our plan to defend Gardner will likely affect it, especially when Jalen is in the game.

Jalen is the only big we have who has a snowballs chance in hell of guarding Gardner one on one in the post and I'm not sure even he can do it. That means we'll likely need to double Gardner to stop easy buckets. The problem with that is it affects your ability to face guard Thomas on the perimeter and it becomes a pick your poison deal.

[xufan2434]

The problem I see with regards to our plan to defend Thomas is that our plan to defend Gardner will likely affect it, especially when Jalen is in the game.

Jalen is the only big we have who has a snowballs chance in hell of guarding Gardner one on one in the post and I'm not sure even he can do it. That means we'll likely need to double Gardner to stop easy buckets. The problem with that is it affects your ability to face guard Thomas on the perimeter and it becomes a pick your poison deal.

So would you start with focusing on Gardner and take chances with Thomas? This safer bet usually is to take chances with the 3 than close 2's. This team really can't come back if a team is hitting 3's but I also might rather that than to let Gardner get going early and get the bigs in foul trouble. What's his passing ability like outta the double? Similar to Stainbrook?

[Smails]

Hey, you and me both. Having said that I'm not sure how anyone could confidently say that the team will come out with fire and intensity Thursday. I hope they will, but it won't surprise me if they don't.

It will absolutely surprise me if they don't come out with the fire they need...and frankly this whole 'intensity' narrative is played the f*ck out.

I think the team has played their asses off in the last three games despite the 1-2 record. They brought it big time for Creighton and the Seton Hall game was not lacking effort, they just couldn't get the ball in the goal. Fast forward to Nova and I saw a team go toe to toe with a potential #1 seed in the NCAA tournament minus their best post player.

Prime time, Big East tournament, MSG, NCAAs in play..Oh I think they'll be plenty jacked up

[Nocalmuskie]

Marquette will also be playing their asses off ... they have a new season in the tourney after a disappointing regular season ... it's pretty simple: this game will come down to which team gets hot from outside ... cause both are unpredictable in that regard


It will absolutely surprise me if they don't come out with the fire they need...and frankly this whole 'intensity' narrative is played the f*ck out.

I think the team has played their asses off in the last three games despite the 1-2 record. They brought it big time for Creighton and the Seton Hall game was not lacking effort, they just couldn't get the ball in the goal. Fast forward to Nova and I saw a team go toe to toe with a potential #1 seed in the NCAA tournament minus their best post player.

Prime time, Big East tournament, MSG, NCAAs in play..Oh I think they'll be plenty jacked up

[UCGRAD4X]

It will absolutely surprise me if they don't come out with the fire they need...and frankly this whole 'intensity' narrative is played the f*ck out.

I think the team has played their asses off in the last three games despite the 1-2 record. They brought it big time for Creighton and the Seton Hall game was not lacking effort, they just couldn't get the ball in the goal. Fast forward to Nova and I saw a team go toe to toe with a potential #1 seed in the NCAA tournament minus their best post player.

Prime time, Big East tournament, MSG, NCAAs in play..Oh I think they'll be plenty jacked up

Right-on SMAILS! We've been saying the Musketeers are big-time (NOT, you know, MID-M***R) and saying how much they belong in this league.

If this is all true, as so many her have insisted with little contention, you also have to agree that they are going to be ALL OVER this tournament.

Once you get to this level (however you define that) the regular season is less important. Not saying it doesn't matter, but it leads up to the post season tournaments.

Either they belong or they don't. If they do - they're going to show up and play like they belong.

Does anyone here doubt that they belong?

[mistabeecee41]

http://whatifsports.com/beyondtheboxscore/default.asp?article=2014CBK_BigEastTournamentPredi ctions

[XUFan09]

So would you start with focusing on Gardner and take chances with Thomas? This safer bet usually is to take chances with the 3 than close 2's. This team really can't come back if a team is hitting 3's but I also might rather that than to let Gardner get going early and get the bigs in foul trouble. What's his passing ability like outta the double? Similar to Stainbrook?

No, there isn't a passing big as good as Stainbrook in the conference. Gardner is good at not turning the ball over, though.

[casualfan]

http://whatifsports.com/beyondtheboxscore/default.asp?article=2014CBK_BigEastTournamentPredi ctions

Do you know if that accounts for Matt's absence? I believe one of the shortcomings with prediction models like that are that they struggle to factor in injuries.

We're projected to beat them by less than a point by the way.

[UCGRAD4X]

Do you know if that accounts for Matt's absence? I believe one of the shortcomings with prediction models like that are that they struggle to factor in injuries.

We're projected to beat them by less than a point by the way.

I doubt this is going to happen.:unsure:

This bracket is all chalk. Not much insight here.

[Masterofreality]

Sagarin's predictor says X by 2. No accounting for missing players, however.

[zanesxu]

not sure if this is the place for "BE Tourney Roll Call", but i'll be there with Chermy23 in section 200 something or other... 4.5 days in manhattan with Chermy23 and two other class of 05 clowns... what could go wrong...

[QueensbridgeMF]

I'll be sitting with a couple of SJU fans in, I think Section 419. And getting drunk @ Tir Na Nog between/before sessions. It only took 14 years of me attending the BET sans Xavier for us to be involved, it was worth the wait.

[zanesxu]

I'll be sitting with a couple of SJU fans in, I think Section 419. And getting drunk @ Tir Na Nog between/before sessions. It only took 14 years of me attending the BET sans Xavier for us to be involved, it was worth the wait.

They allow re-entry into MSG? Thursday would prove to be a long one otherwise...

[GoMuskies]

They allow re-entry into MSG? Thursday would prove to be a long one otherwise...

Two separate tickets.

[NY44]

I took off from work. I plan on seeing every game starting tonight.

[zanesxu]

Anyone heard of plans for an alum event?

Alumni & Friends Mass
Thursday, March 13, 8:30a - 10:15a
Westin New York at Times Square
270 West 43rd Street - Manhattan Room - 5th Floor
NY, NY 10036

Breakfast & Lecture Series
Thursday, March 13, 8:30a - 10:15a
Westin New York at Times Square
270 West 43rd Street - Manhattan Room - 5th Floor
NY, NY 10036
$15 per person - Advance reservations required

XU Alumni & Friends Pre-Game Reception
Thursday, March 13, 6:30p (3 hours prior to tip)
The Thirsty Fan
254 West 31st Street
NY, NY 10001

[QueensbridgeMF]

Two separate tickets.

Correct. Plus since the Gods smiled upon us and granted us the 9:30 start and I expect the Nova noon game to not be very good I won't be showing up until half time at least of that game. Friends of mine like to go Noon to Midnight just to do it I am not so inclined.

[GoMuskies]

I'd have to have money on the early games to want to sit through that session. Or access to free beer. Both would be best.

[zanesxu]

Correct. Plus since the Gods smiled upon us and granted us the 9:30 start and I expect the Nova noon game to not be very good I won't be showing up until half time at least of that game. Friends of mine like to go Noon to Midnight just to do it I am not so inclined.

yeah, likely a no go for marathon-mode... especially with MSG beer prices...

we've got a free place to stay in the city, which is nice... 212 row 14 seat 5-8 if you want to swing by...

[vee4xu]

Haven't read entire thread, but see that Borzello predicts Creighton beating SJU in the finals. Mostly based on their two Villanova blowouts. Not sure that Creighton beating an excellent Villanova team three times is a high probability. But Borzello doesn't even get there since he has them losing to SJU. Villanova is playing for a #1 seed so they won't roll over.

He also has this quote: Many eyes will be on a quartet of bubble teams, though. Xavier is in the best shape of the group, as the Musketeers currently sit in most projected brackets.

[bourbonman]

He also has this quote: Many eyes will be on a quartet of bubble teams, though. Xavier is in the best shape of the group, as the Musketeers currently sit in most projected brackets.

I fear that will change if we're one and done. Must win at least one game.

[Mel Cooley XU'81]

We need wins.

That is all.

[vee4xu]

Agree Mel. But, it's the having to win away from Cintas that scares all heck outta me.

[X-band '01]

Is Butler going to be outraged over all the Adidas schools wearing "The _____ Way" T-shirts during Championship Week? I'm sure they must have been proud seeing "Irish Way" and "Pirate Way" T-shirts today.

[X-band '01]

In the meantime, Seton Hall has opened up a 13-point lead on Butler. Looks like their third try will be the charm.

[xubrew]

This is one hell of a pillow fight we've got going on in MSG right now!!!

[BMoreX]

Seton Hall just choking it away

[xsteve1]

This a heckuva game. Great start to the BE tourney and a good crowd.

[GoMuskies]

Perfect. I had Butler +2.

[The_Mack_Pack]

Great way to start off the tournament. Butler has more time than usual to prep for next season now. Should be interesting to see how the addition of Roosevelt Jones affects them.

[X-band '01]

Looks like they're drawing flies for Day 1 at the AAC in Memphis. It'll be different tomorrow when the Louisville/Memphis/UC fans fill up the place.

UConn fans will be too busy bitching about the Requiem of the Big East.

[Masterofreality]

Kevin Willard could not have coached a worse last minute. Seton Hall survives the incompetence.

[PM Thor]

The crowd at MSG looks to be pretty damn big for the first game of the tourney. I might be just applying what I want here, but I sure as Hell don't ever remember seeing a crowd like that for the first day of the A10 tournament.

[Masterofreality]

The crowd at MSG looks to be pretty damn big for the first game of the tourney. I might be just applying what I want here, but I sure as Hell don't ever remember seeing a crowd like that for the first day of the A10 tournament.

I think it's hilarious that the ACC had to resort to curtaining off the upper deck to make the arena look more full today. Still there were plenty of good seats available.

[mistabeecee41]

nice. win keeps seton hall above the 150 threshold, making our 2 god awful losses look a bit less god awful.

[xubrew]

I think it's hilarious that the ACC had to resort to curtaining off the upper deck to make the arena look more full today. Still there were plenty of good seats available.

It's about the same number of people that were at the BC v Ga Tech regular season game.

[gladdenguy]

Am I the only one who wants Depaul to pull this off?

[KC4X]

Am I the only one who wants Depaul to pull this off?

No

:biggrin:

[Masterofreality]

Wouldn't you rather have GTown win, have a chance to beat Creighton, then let us play them on their 3rd game in 3 days?

[paulxu]

I just saw the worst charge call of the year.

[KC4X]

Wouldn't you rather have GTown win, have a chance to beat Creighton, then let us play them on their 3rd game in 3 days?

I dislike Georgetown almost as much as Dayton. So no.

[BMoreX]

Wouldn't you rather have GTown win, have a chance to beat Creighton, then let us play them on their 3rd game in 3 days?

Yes. DePaul winning helps no one.

[xsteve1]

With MOR on this one. Plus I'd like to see the league get as many bids as possible.

[KC4X]

Georgetown needs to beat Creighton too, at a minimum, to get a bid. I seriously doubt that can happen. I'm rooting for Providence and/or St John's to get in along with X.

[xubrew]

Key losses for Georgetown: Seton Hall (twice), Northeastern, Xavier

Gee, Thanks FS1!!!

[GoMuskies]

Good Lord Georgetown is terrible.

[PM Thor]

Raferty laughed that off, I even rewound it because I thought it was such a bizarre graphic. He chuckled, said X is "pretty darn good" and then moved on. No biggie.

[xumuskies08]

Does Georgetown know their NCAA hopes are on the line?

Sure hope X comes out with more fire tomorrow night.

[xsteve1]

Does Georgetown know their NCAA hopes are on the line?

Sure hope X comes out with more fire tomorrow night.

Definitely worried X comes out flat tomorrow. You know Buzz will be worked up.

[gladdenguy]

Geez Steve what would make you feel that way. Only almost every game away from home they have come out flat. Ha.

[xsteve1]

Georgetown probably done. They sure deserve to lose.

[XUFan09]

Does Georgetown know their NCAA hopes are on the line?

Sure hope X comes out with more fire tomorrow night.

I think DePaul is playing like they have nothing to lose...because they most definitely don't lol.

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[GoMuskies]

Thank God I'm not a Georgetown fan.

[BMoreX]

What a terrible effort by the Hoyas.

[XUFan09]

On the last three: "He's got his puppies organized!"

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[XUFan09]

Funny how just a moment ago it was tied...

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[xu82]

I'll take DePaul in the Final. (There I go dreaming again....)

[xubrew]

Georgetown is FIRED!!!!

[BMoreX]

@HolyLandofHoops: Wow “@BenStandig: The last time the Blue Demons defeated Georgetown, Jan. 22, 1994. How many of the current Hoyas were even born then?"

[xubrew]

@HolyLandofHoops: Wow “@BenStandig: The last time the Blue Demons defeated Georgetown, Jan. 22, 1994. How many of the current Hoyas were even born then?"

So DePaul last beat Georgetown ten years prior to joining the Big East.

[paulxu]

There is a LOT of bad shooting going on by the Georgetown team.

[XUFan09]

It's impressive the number of shots Georgetown manages to miss.

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[X-band '01]

This must have been how UC felt 5 years ago when they played one for the ages against DePaul.

[XUFan09]

Sema-gee?

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[GreatWhiteNorth]

Don't speak too early........DePaul may still lose this game.

[XU2011]

Key losses for Georgetown: Seton Hall (twice), Northeastern, Xavier

Gee, Thanks FS1!!!

Shit like that from Fox Sports 1 actually pisses me off. They invest $500M in the Big East and this is what the come up with? I remember a few weeks ago they were showing resumes and just totally screwed up Xavier's RPI and SOS... it wasn't even close- like 20 spots away.

ESPN pumps their teams day in and day out. Fox can't even get their RPI's right and has the #3 team in their conference as a bad loss?


Now, on to this game. What a cluster. I hope Georgetown can pull it out. DePaul winning helps absolutely noone. This league has been an absolute cluster this year on the floor and it appears it is continuing right on into the conference tournament.

[The_Mack_Pack]

Georgetown has a knack for losing to bad teams in tournaments.

[BMoreX]

That might do it.

[XUFan09]

That might do it.

Yup, key rebound.

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[XUFan09]

I'm a glutton for more basketball. I want to see a Georgetown steal followed by a three to send it into OT.

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[xu82]

It ain't over till it's over

[xubrew]

I'm a glutton for more basketball. I want to see a Georgetown steal followed by a three to send it into OT.

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The last Pac Twelve game hasn't tipped yet.

[xu82]

My kids will tell you I was sweating while others celebrated during the Music City Miracle. It's called experience...

[XUFan09]

The last Pac Twelve game hasn't tipped yet.

There ya go.

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[BMoreX]

Well if GTown loses, X should probably be in a good position if they win tomorrow.

Just can't see the committe giving the Big East only 2 bids.

[waggy]

LOL at that slo-moe free throw.

On the 2nd one they had time to pan the bench.

[BMoreX]

Oh Garrett almost lost it.

[BMoreX]

Damn, freshman Garrett with 4 big free throws.

[X-band '01]

And for the first time in its illustrious history, DePaul makes it to the Big East quarterfinals!

Don't think we need to worry about Georgetown taking a bid away from Xavier now.

[xumuskies08]

Well, good thing I'm not a Hoya fan.

[The_Mack_Pack]

That's embarrassing. JT3 just loves to choke in tournaments.

[XU2011]

Well if GTown loses, X should probably be in a good position if they win tomorrow.

Just can't see the committe giving the Big East only 2 bids.

If X wins tomorrow, we are in for sure.

If X loses tomorrow, you better believe the BE is only getting 2 bids. What an inaugural year disaster. Seton Hall can't seem to win a conference game all year except against teams named Xavier and Georgetown. Georgetown loses to horrible teams. Marquette has a pathetic OOC.

I hope to God Xavier wins tomorrow.... if not, 2 bids is very likely.

[XUFan09]

Well, good thing I'm not a Hoya fan.

1399

[xu82]

Let's hope that's the last upset of the BE Tourney. That should do it, right? No more upsets? Again, I'm not greedy (until it's time to be greedy - then I am suspect at best).

[The_Mack_Pack]

If X wins tomorrow, we are in for sure.

If X loses tomorrow, you better believe the BE is only getting 2 bids. What an inaugural year disaster. Seton Hall can't seem to win a conference game all year except against teams named Xavier and Georgetown. Georgetown loses to horrible teams. Marquette has a pathetic OOC.

I hope to God Xavier wins tomorrow.... if not, 2 bids is very likely.

If the BE gets 3 bids then we'll have basically the same percentage of teams make the tournament as the ACC assuming Pittsburgh makes it. Neither had very good first seasons but they will both get a lot better. The A-10 and AAC just happened to be full of very good seniors this season.

[X-band '01]

If X wins tomorrow, we are in for sure.

If X loses tomorrow, you better believe the BE is only getting 2 bids. What an inaugural year disaster. Seton Hall can't seem to win a conference game all year except against teams named Xavier and Georgetown. Georgetown loses to horrible teams. Marquette has a pathetic OOC.

I hope to God Xavier wins tomorrow.... if not, 2 bids is very likely.

Either St. John's or Providence will pick up a win tomorrow - it would help the Big East bigtime if either one could knock off Villanova on Friday night.

X also needs to take care of business tomorrow night as well.

[xumuskies08]

Oh my...

"@SBNationCBB: This is the seventh straight year Georgetown has lost to a double digit seed in a postseason tournament."

[xubrew]

If X wins tomorrow, we are in for sure.

If X loses tomorrow, you better believe the BE is only getting 2 bids. What an inaugural year disaster. Seton Hall can't seem to win a conference game all year except against teams named Xavier and Georgetown. Georgetown loses to horrible teams. Marquette has a pathetic OOC.

I hope to God Xavier wins tomorrow.... if not, 2 bids is very likely.

Marquette's profile is worse than Xavier's. If we're not in now, then beating a Marquette team that is further out than we are won't get us in.

[XU2011]

Marquette's profile is worse than Xavier's. If we're not in now, then beating a Marquette team that is further out than we are won't get us in.

Right.

We are in, as of now. We don't need the "win"... we need to avoid the loss.

Marquette's RPI is in the 80's. That would not be a good loss, combined with the fact we finished the year 0-3, and two of those were to above 80 RPI teams.

[Snipe]

Didn't see that one coming. What a disappointing year for Georgetown. I thought that they would have a shot at beating Creighton. Upsets are going to happen, but they are seldom the ones I envision.

[PM Thor]

We can't look at other teams and say that their bad loss has an effect on our status. I don't care if the Big East is the 4th rated conference, RPI, the whatnot. We must beat Marquette to ensure a bid. That's it. It doesn't get any simpler.

[sgarcia]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPgPrtOxvK4

[Masterofreality]

"Requiem for the Big East" huh, ESPN?

How about this from Rush the Court?

"Brian Otskey will be reporting from the Big East Tournament all week.
While the makeup of the Big East has changed, much was the same on day one of the 2014 edition of the Big East Tournament at Madison Square Garden. The crowd at the Garden was certainly not sold out but it exceeded expectations for what seemed, on paper at least, like a lackluster doubleheader featuring Seton Hall, Butler, Georgetown and DePaul. In fact, attendance was similar, if not better, than the Tuesday and Wednesday rounds in Big East tournaments past. The opening rounds have never drawn well so a decent crowd on hand Wednesday night has to be a positive sign going forward for the re-configured conference. The real test will come during Thursday’s quarterfinals with four games involving the league’s better teams.....
Overall this was not a bad start to tournament week at MSG. While both games weren’t necessarily well-played, they were exciting and gave the fans a reason to stay in their seats. If you are Big East commissioner Val Ackerman, you have to be thrilled with how well the evening went from both an attendance and competitive standpoint. With Creighton expected to bring a few thousand fans and the league’s top teams on display tomorrow, day two should bring even more excitement and a better atmosphere to the World’s Most Famous Arena.
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[casualfan]

Seton Hall up 8 early on Nova.

[Masterofreality]

So, here is Villanova playing the kind of game against Seton Hall that I wish they would have played against us in Cincy. They were due to have a downer.

Seton Hall is taking them to the woodshed so far, but a long way to go.

[Titanxman04]

So, here is Villanova playing the kind of game against Seton Hall that I wish they would have played against us in Cincy. They were due to have a downer.

Seton Hall is taking them to the woodshed so far, but a long way to go.

Up 15. I love March. This still has a lot left to be played, but I just love this time of year when every team is playing for their lives!

[casualfan]

I don't think it really matters to us either way because Nova is definitely in and Seton Hall is definitely out (unless they somehow win the thing), but I hope Nova can come back and win this for the sake of the leagues perception.

One of then more recognizable teams in the league already took an embarrassing loss to a bad DePaul team.

[brownlavender]

Or maybe this is a tough league from top to bottom

[Titanxman04]

I've got to think that Seton Hal;l would improve their stock just a little if they pull this thing out. Which only helps us, right? I mean, losing to nova is expected, but SH were bad bad losses for us. For them to show everyone that they can compete with some of the best can only help X, right?

[Masterofreality]

Last nite attendance. BE- 13,177, AAC- 4,815, ACC- 10,945, A10- 3,845. All opening round.

Big East Requiem? Uh, no ESPN. No.

[XU3232]

Last nite attendance. BE- 13,177, AAC- 4,815, ACC- 10,945, A10- 3,845. All opening round.

Big East Requiem? Uh, no ESPN. No.

This is great news. Hope the place is packed today and the rest of the tourney!

[The_Mack_Pack]

Does Pinkston win best flopper in the BE for that?

[SkyWalker]

I sure hope no one gets hurt falling over those large BIG EAST signs under the basket. :crazy:

[Masterofreality]

Does Pinkston win best flopper in the BE for that?

The refs took too long and changed the momentum. Pinkston should have been kicked out for that ish.

[GoMuskies]

I sure hope no one gets hurt falling over those large BIG EAST signs under the basket. :crazy:

Took me a few trips down to figure that out. It wasn't until someone walked on top it that I realized it was a painted on logo.

[The_Mack_Pack]

I don't know if Seton Hall is playing great or Nova is just sucking that bad. Either way, I hope it continues.

[Milhouse]

we do not want Seton Hall stealing a bid....

[GoMuskies]

I'm not too worried about Seton Hall stealing a bid.

[XU2011]

we do not want Seton Hall stealing a bid....

Oh settle down. Seton Hall isn't going 4-0 in 4 days. We should hope they win, it will make our losses verse them look not so horrible.

[The_Mack_Pack]

Even if Seton Hall somehow manages to steal a bid I don't think it would hurt Xavier. It would probably help us because it makes two bad losses look like acceptable losses.

[GoMuskies]

Fun while it lasted Hall...

[Masterofreality]

Seton Hall looking dead tired now.

[Pablo's Brother]

Nova up 3 with 7:41 left

[The_Mack_Pack]

I don't think I've ever seen a worse 7 minute span of basketball than what Seton Hall just did.

[GoMuskies]

I don't think I've ever seen a worse 7 minute span of basketball than what Seton Hall just did.

My guess is that they had a lot of seven minute spans like that this season.

[Musketeer_15]

How come Seton Hall never had one of these seven minute spans against us???

[GoMuskies]

Because they were playing us.

[xumuskies08]

Seton Hall's "The Pirate way" shirts make me laugh. Not only because it probably pisses off Butler, but also because it makes me wonder if their coaching staff preaches "raping and pillaging" as being essential to the brand of basketball they want to play.

[The_Mack_Pack]

What a response by the Hall.

[Musketeer_15]

And just like that Seton Hall retakes control of the game... Gotta love the Big East tournament!

[GoMuskies]

What a response by the Hall.

The Hall will never die!

I miss the Hawk.

[Masterofreality]

Wow. Seton Hall recesitated.

[The_Mack_Pack]

What a game wow!

[BMoreX]

Sina!

[GoMuskies]

Surely Rafftery said "Onions!" when that went down. Surely.

[xsteve1]

What a game wow!

You ain't kidding. The BE tourney is dead! LOL

[xsteve1]

Surely Rafftery said "Onions!" when that went down. Surely.

Tarik Turner is doing color.

[GoMuskies]

That's right. These are Gus and Raff's too games off. They'd be great for this game, too.

[The_Mack_Pack]

Ohhhhhhhhh!!!

[BMoreX]

Cold blooded

[bourbonman]

Not sure I like this. If we're fighting for a spot on the infamous bubble, Providence or St John's just found an open door to the finals. Need St Hall to repeat tomorrow.

[sirthought]

unbelievable.

I know this doesn't help X, but I have to feel happy for those guys.

[BMoreX]

Not sure I like this. If we're fighting for a spot on the infamous bubble, Providence or St John's just found an open door to the finals. Need St Hall to repeat tomorrow.

Yup that's why I was rooting for Villanova.

[XU3232]

Providence and St. Johns have to be happy about possibly facing Seton Hall versus Nova. That changes everything.

[xudash]

Holy sh!t!!!

[brownlavender]

What a fuquan game

[The_Mack_Pack]

St. Johns and Providence desperately needed another top 50 win, not a win over a bad RPI team in Seton Hall. That opened the door to the finals but I think they now need to win the whole thing to get a bid.

[sgarcia]

Too bad that wasn't our side of the bracket but maybe it'll get the conference a 4th bid after we lock up a 3rd bid tonight.

[sirthought]

What a fuquan game

good one

[GreatWhiteNorth]

Wow! What a game. Last second jumper for SH after Nova scored a few seconds before. Looks like Creighton is going to win the championship?

[xsteve1]

DePaul-Seton Hall final is getting closer. How much would that suck.

[GoMuskies]

Looks like Creighton is going to win the championship?

Xavier

[Mel Cooley XU'81]

unbelievable.

I know this doesn't help X, but I have to feel happy for those guys.

Bad for us, and right now, I don't care.

[Masterofreality]

Bad for us, and right now, I don't care.

Nope. Not bad at all. No way SH wins out.

[X-band '01]

St. Johns and Providence desperately needed another top 50 win, not a win over a bad RPI team in Seton Hall. That opened the door to the finals but I think they now need to win the whole thing to get a bid.

Correct - it's a double-edged sword. Seton Hall CAN beat anyone in the Big East when they're on. Trouble is, you don't know which Hall team shows night in and night out.

Now it means that the PC-St. John's winner needs to make at least the title game.

Xavier just needs to win tonight.

[X-band '01]

Nope. Not bad at all. No way SH wins out.

Nothing is a given. Villanova was due for a letdown, but it would have been better for them to do so after the quarters.

On the other hand, look for lots of Hall fans in attendance for Friday.

[sgarcia]

Seton Hall has now beat 2 teams not named Georgetown or Xavier in the BE tourney. They beat 2 teams not named Georgetown or Xavier over an 18 game conference schedule. Madness!

[XUOWNSUC]

How much did Seton Hall's RPI improve with the win? I kind of look at it as our loss to SH doesn't look as bad now.

[sirthought]

Eugene Teague is a pretty chill customer. I think these past two games have been impressive by him.

[The_Mack_Pack]

How much did Seton Hall's RPI improve with the win? I kind of look at it as our loss to SH doesn't look as bad now.

It went from 148 to 123. Plus they can be no worse than a .500 team record wise.

[Mel Cooley XU'81]

Nope. Not bad at all. No way SH wins out.

If we win tonight and chalk doesn't rule, we're dead.

[waggy]

Seton Hall can definitely win this thing.

[The_Mack_Pack]

If we win tonight and chalk doesn't rule, we're dead.

Definitely not.. You guys are digging way too deep into this. There's usually a bid steal or two a season and if it's Seton Hall this year then that would be better for us than if it came from a different conference.

[XUFan09]

St. Johns and Providence desperately needed another top 50 win, not a win over a bad RPI team in Seton Hall. That opened the door to the finals but I think they now need to win the whole thing to get a bid.

Providence is probably in with a win at St. John's. St. John's, though, was iffy with just one win and might have needed another. Now, to avoid the bad loss at home, they absolutely have to make the finals.

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[Mel Cooley XU'81]

If we win tonight and chalk doesn't rule, we're dead.

Ouch!

DON'T win!

[xubrew]

Seton Hall can definitely win this thing.

Seton Hall is the only team left that we haven't beaten. We can win it too.

[waggy]

We're not at full strength. And I think that matters.

[The_Mack_Pack]

St. Johns and Providence game has been a good one so far. Wouldn't mind seeing another buzzer beater game.

[XUFan09]

St. Johns and Providence game has been a good one so far. Wouldn't mind seeing another buzzer beater game.

Bryce Cotton has just 1 point, but Providence is still winning because Kadeem Batts is a man among boy (9 points and 9 rebounds in the first half). LaDontae Henton is scoring effectively too.

[GoMuskies]

Go Providence! I hate St. John's with a fiery passion.

[StanleyOwnsYou]

St. Johns and Providence game has been a good one so far. Wouldn't mind seeing another buzzer beater game.

This is exactly what the Big East tourney needs to sustain its popularity. You have the biased ACC writers like Pete Thamel saying that the Big East tourney "can never be the same" but it's not the teams that everyone remembers most, it's the electric atmospheres and great games between teams competing in the world's most famous arena.

It would also be great to see the Big East tourney Semi-final between NY area teams in SH and SJU. Both fan bases will pack the place. Just hope we can match up with Creighton for the nightcap.

[Kahns Krazy]

The crappy thing is that is Seton Hall were to pull themselves into the top 100 by winning a couple more, I doubt the committee would go back and revise our resume. We need to win tonight and take ourselves off the bubble.

[The_Mack_Pack]

The crappy thing is that is Seton Hall were to pull themselves into the top 100 by winning a couple more, I doubt the committee would go back and revise our resume. We need to win tonight and take ourselves off the bubble.

This is really the first time all year that Seton Hall has been fully healthy/ suspension free and they're showing what they're capable of. Seton Hall is a lot better than their record and RPI.

[XUFan09]

This is really the first time all year that Seton Hall has been fully healthy/ suspension free and they're showing what they're capable of. Seton Hall is a lot better than their record and RPI.

Those responsible for covering the Big East on the Committee will be well aware of Seton Hall's situation. I still think the loss at home would be considered a bad loss though, simply because of the heavy weight they give to venue.

[paulxu]

It's got to be killing ESPN to lead their basketball page with the SH upset of Nova.
Got a little video with the FoxSports1 prominent on it.
Credit though, they do a nice quick recap....and then end with whether Nova loses its #1 seed.

BTW, the Gibbs move to fire the winning basket with his arm out, step back, and then the shot was very reminiscent of MJ against Jazz (?).

[casualfan]

It's got to be killing ESPN to lead their basketball page with the SH upset of Nova.
Got a little video with the FoxSports1 prominent on it.
Credit though, they do a nice quick recap....and then end with whether Nova loses its #1 seed.

BTW, the Gibbs move to fire the winning basket with his arm out, step back, and then the shot was very reminiscent of MJ against Jazz (?).

I'm not sure it is killing ESPN to put up an update about one of the better Big East teams taking a bad loss....

[paulxu]

I'm not sure it is killing ESPN to put up an update about one of the better Big East teams taking a bad loss....

Good point

[brownlavender]

Sure would like to see providence make the tourney. Bryce cotton is too good to play all 4 years and not have a chance on the big stage

[The_Mack_Pack]

If this was last season they'd be talking how strong the league is top to bottom.

[GoMuskies]

Things look very promising for Providence.

Not so much for Rutgers. Ouch.

[The_Mack_Pack]

Things look very promising for Providence.

Not so much for Rutgers. Ouch.

You should check out what Arizona is doing to Utah right now.

[XU2011]

Sure would like to see providence make the tourney. Bryce cotton is too good to play all 4 years and not have a chance on the big stage

If I were you, I'd be more worried about one of Xavier's most talented players ever, Semaj Christon, never having the chance to play in the NCAA tournament, then Bryce Cotton.

[waggy]

Providence playing very well even with Cotton on the bench.

[The_Mack_Pack]

I wouldn't have guessed that this game would be the most lopsided of the tournament so far.

[paulxu]

I wouldn't have guess Nova had returned to Philly on Thursday.

[brownlavender]

Anybody know if we have the refs from the first or second game? A lot more fouls called in this second game

[sirthought]

Three point game. Big energy swing!

[The_Mack_Pack]

Wow forget that post from before, this thing is coming down to the wire.

[kellernr]

If I were you, I'd be more worried about one of Xavier's most talented players ever, Semaj Christon, never having the chance to play in the NCAA tournament, then Bryce Cotton.

Semaj isn't going anywhere. He has dropped out of the 1st rd in almost every mock draft. If hes projected middle of the 2nd rd hes not going to leave.

[GoMuskies]

You should check out what Arizona is doing to Utah right now.

Rutgers is begging Louisville to treat them as humanely as Arizona is treating Utah.

[brownlavender]

Anybody know if we have the refs from the first or second game? A lot more fouls called in this second game

Nevermind they just quit calling fouls all together

[xubrew]

Neither Johnnies or Providence is playing with anything that even remotely resembles poise right now.

[X-Fan]

Rutgers is begging Louisville to treat them as humanely as Arizona is treating Utah.
To put it mildly, 'Ville is showing Rutgers the door and wishing them luck in the B1G.

[paulxu]

MSG is humming now.

some less than stellar reffing.

[sirthought]

I'd be pissed if I was St. J's Harrison.

[Masterofreality]

Wow...

This Tournament, doe!

[GoMuskies]

I approve of any and all losses by the Johnnies!

[Emp]

First day tourney record for swallowed whistles. El stinko.

[The_Mack_Pack]

Rutgers is begging Louisville to treat them as humanely as Arizona is treating Utah.

Yeah, no one deserves that kind of beating. Rutgers players have had enough beatings already..

[MHettel]

So, who do we root for in the DePaul Vs Creighton game? I'm conflicted.

On one hand, I'd love to see DePaul score the upset, which would mean that we would get to play DePaul in teh next round, should we beat Marquette.

On the other hand, if DePaul beats Creighton and we LOSE to Marquette, then Marquette would have an opportunity to play DePaul for a shot to get to the finals. At that point, Marquette could be stealing our bid....

But I dont really want to face Creighton either, but if we're facing Creighton, then we're already in.

Not sure what I want, here.

[mistabeecee41]

So, who do we root for in the DePaul Vs Creighton game? I'm conflicted.

On one hand, I'd love to see DePaul score the upset, which would mean that we would get to play DePaul in teh next round, should we beat Marquette.

On the other hand, if DePaul beats Creighton and we LOSE to Marquette, then Marquette would have an opportunity to play DePaul for a shot to get to the finals. At that point, Marquette could be stealing our bid....

But I dont really want to face Creighton either, but if we're facing Creighton, then we're already in.

Not sure what I want, here.

I'm in the same boat. I want to win the whole damn thing, taking out Creighton on the way. I also don't want to sneak up into the 8/9 game, which is where I'd assume we fall if we win it all. I also don't want to be nervous on Sunday and on the bubble.

[LA Muskie]

I don't tend to get caught up in the "who do we want to win/lose" stuff. For the most part if you really deserve to be in, there's little that anyone else can do to affect it (save your opponents).

[gladdenguy]

DePaul is not beating Creighton. Don't worry about that.

[vee4xu]

I am worried about tonight without Matt and playing on the road against a Marquette team with nothing to lose and scantly anything to gain. Yet, I am going to try and focus on the fact that Xavier's had a full week to prepare, rest and get healthy. So, with all of that in mind, if not tonight against Marquette, then it never was meant to be. The key is get off to a good start. They did not do so on the road against Providence, Georgetown and Marquette and never recovered. Conversely, they got off to a 12-0 start at Creighton and lost too. But much of that was due to Wragge being unconscious, otherwise X held their own. They need a Creighton type performance at the Cintas Center tonight.

[Filthy Conservative]

Do we want Cal to beat Colorodo and then lose to Zona. Is that optimum?

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[The_Mack_Pack]

Do we want Cal to beat Colorodo and then lose to Zona. Is that optimum?

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We want Cal to lose to Colorado.

[The_Mack_Pack]

McDermott is already putting on a show.

[XU3232]

McDermott is already putting on a show.

27 at the half. Unreal.

[whiteyxu]

McBuckets with 27...at the half. Ridiculous.

[Pablo's Brother]

I am at msg. Los of x and cu fans here. With several clients. They said their firm got equal amounts of a-10 and big east tickets. They all are here at the game. Quote: "we could not give the a-10 tickets away."

[chico]

McBuckets with 27...at the half. Ridiculous.

Purnell has Waleskowski on him.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

Biggest blowout so far. McBucket is 10/14 with 7 3pts.

[waggy]

When Manigat has four 3's you are F'd.

[The_Mack_Pack]

McDermott has 4 less points than Rutgers scored today and he still has another half.

[X-band '01]

I am at msg. Los of x and cu fans here. With several clients. They said their firm got equal amounts of a-10 and big east tickets. They all are here at the game. Quote: "we could not give the a-10 tickets away."

Let's see - should we go to Richmond/Duquesne and UMass/URI or Creighton/DePaul and Xavier/Marquette? Tough call.

Still reminds me of an old gem from the A-10 board - someone would leave 2 tickets on a car windshield outside the Spectrum at the beginning of the A-10 Tournament; at the end of the day, there were 8 tickets on the same car.

[X-band '01]

McDermott has 4 less points than Rutgers scored today and he still has another half.

Damn - just saw the Louisville-Rutgers score. If only Georgetown could have played Rutgers or USF instead last night...

[XUFan09]

McDermott has 4 less points than Rutgers scored today and he still has another half.

Lol magnificent.

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[Masterofreality]

Switched over quickly to the A10 on NBCSN. Typical A10 crowd...they'll probably announce about 6,000 with 4,000 in the building.

By the way, apparently Memphis fans only show up for Memphis' game. Tons of empties in the SucKS game.

[coasterville95]

Rutgers should have tried sneaking out of the arena at halftime. Down 42 at halftime! That would have been more entertaining. The announcers calling for the Rutgers team to take th floor would have been like calling the Von Trapp family back to the stage.


47 minutes till tip.

[X-band '01]

That's only because the VCU fans will wait until tomorrow night before they take over.

[bjf123]

Purnell has Waleskowski on him.

Public reps for the great DFW reference.


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[X-band '01]

DePaul still breathing - Creighton's lead down to 11.

[coasterville95]

So this is becoming the all conference tourneys thread.

Anyway, the A10 introduced the Fordham Classic, it is held the night before the tournament, as Fordham used to always get sent away with no tourney. This year the Fordham Classic was with George Mason, who did not adjust to the high standards of the A10. Fordham won a tournament game! Of course they then lost to Dayton.

[xsteve1]

Purnell was asleep at the wheel all year and now decides to start coaching. DePaul actually has some decent talent. I'd love to have that Garrett kid.

[Masterofreality]

So this is becoming the all conference tourneys thread..

Nope, that would be the March Madness thread Coaster.

[Masterofreality]

14,925 attendance at the BE afternoon session. 13,011 reported at the AAAAAAAAAAAAAAC. 12,515 at the ACC. 9,308 at the SEC. 6,823 at the A10. 18,809 at the B1G.

Winner in the afternoon sessions was Big 12- 18,972...Of course Kansas was basically playing a home game.

[xubrew]

14,925 attendance at the BE afternoon session. 13,011 reported at the AAAAAAAAAAAAAAC. 12,515 at the ACC. 9,308 at the SEC. 6,823 at the A10. 18,809 at the B1G.

Winner in the afternoon sessions was Big 12- 18,972...Of course Kansas was basically playing a home game.

It was a Kansas and Kansas State doubleheader.

The ACC will swell up tomorrow with Duke and North Carolina playing. At least they're using a turn-style count and not inflating the numbers.

Those numbers are typical for conference tournaments, especially in the early rounds. Fans of weak teams aren't as interested, and don't want to travel because there is no real expectation that their team will be able to do anything.

[XU Cowbell Kid]

1401

I hate ESPN's website. Notice anything missing?

[waggy]

Lovin' the pre-game tonight.

This whole deal is so awesome for the X program.

[xsteve1]

Looks like the losses by Nova and St. John's are really hurting the attendance tonight. Hopefully it get's better for X and Creighton.

[waggy]

MOR might blow a gasket.

Which isn't necessarily a bad thing.