Xavier @ Seton Hall (March 3, 2014) Game Thread

[XU 87]

They're all in foul trouble

I think Philmore and Reynolds have two. they are getting pushed around down low. I think I just heard that we're getting out rebounded 26-19.

[xubball1993]

Sometimes I miss Brad Redford.

Could use The Hammer's lockdown D tonight.

[Xavgrad08]

Philmore has been extremely quiet for a Senior. We need somebody besides Christon.

[THRILLHOUSE]

I think Philmore and Reynolds have two. they are getting pushed around down low. I think I just heard that we're getting out rebounded 26-19.

Farr's gotta give a better effort on the glass. Just standing there flat footed isn't gonna get the job done.

[mistabeecee41]

they are asking us to get back in this. fuck.

[LadyMuskie]

"That's a microcosm of the way this game is going." - Byron as Dee falls out of bounds

[The_Mack_Pack]

How many good looks are we gonna miss?

[Cheesehead]

A little help for Semaj fellas!

[ArizonaXUGrad]

27-19 actually.

[XU3232]

Maybe against intramural competition

Or if I had the looks he had in a college game. He's been WIDE open.

[paulxu]

Could have cut it to 6. Semaj need to dish.

[paulxu]

Crap. From a possible 6 back to 11. Crap again.

[THRILLHOUSE]

had some opportunities there then gave up a 3. Frustrating.

[XU 87]

What absolute horseshit defense to allow Oliver to have that wide open three. Jeez.

[xu82]

Time for the law of averages to kick in - we need some shots to drop!!!

[xsteve1]

Oliver didn't even play in game 1. Just lighting us up tonight.

[Cheesehead]

We'll, X has Thursday to pull the upset again

[ArizonaXUGrad]

At some point, we really need to again complain how this team is unable to guard the perimeter.

[Cheesehead]

Jekyll and Hyde

[XU 87]

I think I got this figured out how to win- no one but Semay is allowed to shoot.

[The_Mack_Pack]

At some point, we really need to again complain how this team is unable to guard the perimeter.

Most of the problem comes from our bigs not being able to get out quick enough.

[xsteve1]

We'll, X has Thursday to pull the upset again

The crowd will need to be good again.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Unless they are wide up and under the basket hoosiers style.

[LadyMuskie]

This team is exhausting.

[XU 87]

And two dumb turnovers lead to 4 straight points.

[Xavgrad08]

Mack is late with his timeouts.

[xsteve1]

Just not to be tonight. X gets it under 10 then gives it right back. Going to be a real bad loss.

[The_Mack_Pack]

That was pathetic. This is a replay of the first game.

[xubball1993]

I don't think I can watch anymore. Giving the ball and the game away.

[THRILLHOUSE]

had a great opportunity to cut it to 6 and just like that back down 12.

[xumuskies08]

Every time X gets close they do something stupid and Seton Hall takes advantage.

[mistabeecee41]

8 and the ball. in that situation about 4 times and couldn't do anything about it.

this ones over. 3 sub 150 rpi losses. im not sold that were in yet.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Wow just wow, they laid down at Georgetown but at least the Hoya's were playing well. Cheaton Hall is terrible and we are still laying down.

[The_Mack_Pack]

Has anyone besides Semaj even scored this half?

[XU3232]

Edwin wasn't even supposed to play tonight. Instead, He has played basically the entire game and is killing us again along with Teague.

[xsteve1]

Defense is pathetic.

[paulxu]

I have no idea what I'm watching.

[XU 87]

Was that Dee's first basket of the game?

[ArizonaXUGrad]

How we beat St. Johns on the road amazes me.

[The_Mack_Pack]

If those are the kind of looks we're going to keep giving up then this game is over.

[Retire33]

what a weak ass call. these guys are fucking terrible.

[xumuskies08]

Was that call against Jalen a joke? What a terrible call

[THRILLHOUSE]

these refs blow, not why X is losing, but they aren't helping things

[xsteve1]

Is there a chance X would play Seton Hall in the BE tourney? I just don't think X matches up with them very well.

[RoseyMuskie]

Oliver seems like the type of guy on UD who lit us up. Maybe it's just the name. But it's pouring salt in the wound.

[THRILLHOUSE]

2 for 15 from 3 point range....

[RealDeal]

I would be disappointed if Edwin doesn't play tonight. He's a great all around player and I'd hate to see him miss his senior night. Without Edwin I think it will be like playing DePaul.

You got your wish.

[The_Mack_Pack]

Is there a chance X would play Seton Hall in the BE tourney? I just don't think X matches up with them very well.

There's no chance we see them.

[BandAid]

I feel like Xavier just got knocked out of tournament, and it's not the losing. Stain's injury (if significant) effectively ends the season. It's too little time to reinvent yourself, which is what this team would need to do without him down low. Losing just twists the knife.

[xsteve1]

X just wasn't ready to play tonight. Which with what is on the line is unacceptable. The body language has sucked from the get go.

[paulxu]

The mindset is just gone or something. When you are down 12 and under 8 minutes, you've got to jack the pace up...not wait till the shot clock is about to expire before you throw up a prayer.

[XU 87]

Seton Hall 8-19 from the three.

X 2-15.

The worst part is that guys have had wide open looks.

[XUFan09]

These refs are calling everything on both sides and their whistles are always late. Making an ugly game uglier.

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[mistabeecee41]

throw strenger in. hack a teague.

[The_Mack_Pack]

Now would be a great time to press.

[vee4xu]

Back onto the bubble we go

[gladdenguy]

Gonna be sweating on selection Sunday and with Stain gone for the year it could be real bad news.

[vee4xu]

Christon has 23 points, no one else even sniffing double figures

[TUclutch]

Back onto the bubble we go

Wrong. Frustrating loss (if we lose)but were in the tourney

[THRILLHOUSE]

I feel like Xavier just got knocked out of tournament, and it's not the losing. Stain's injury (if significant) effectively ends the season. It's too little time to reinvent yourself, which is what this team would need to do without him down low. Losing just twists the knife.

Me too, and I'm typically not a glass half empty guy, but tonight is a total gut punch.

[The_Mack_Pack]

Still a little bit of fight. Also another missed WIDE open three..

[vee4xu]

Yep. A loss Thursday and an early exit from the BE tourney and that could spell d-o-o-m.

[LadyMuskie]

Okay. Here we go.

[THRILLHOUSE]

finally Dee!

[xu82]

2 for 15 from 3 point range....

Anything better than "horrific" and we're right in this

[mistabeecee41]

when j-mart goes into point guard mode, its a nightmare.

[vee4xu]

losing twice to a 150 RPI team is never good

[The_Mack_Pack]

Come on Martin, get the ball to a guard.

[Xavgrad08]

Justin Martin just put on a clinic on how not to lead a break.

[xsteve1]

X should've done this earlier with pressure.

[The_Mack_Pack]

Justin Martin just put on a clinic on how not to lead a break.

He had Dee wide open on the wing, that really could've changed things around.

[XU 87]

when j-mart goes into point guard mode, its a nightmare.

That was a dumb play at a critical time.

[SlimKibbles]

That call was BS. Mobley was falling backwards before Martin even touched him. Went down awful easy. Martin still should've gotten rid of the ball.

[THRILLHOUSE]

the press is working, should've gone too it sooner

[XU 87]

I'm glad Mack reads this board and decided to press.

[BandAid]

travel

[BMoreX]

That was a clear travel.

[TUclutch]

Man how was that not a travel

[THRILLHOUSE]

How is that not a travel?!?!?!?!?!??!

[mistabeecee41]

oh jimmy.

[RoseyMuskie]

Horseshit officiating there.

[LadyMuskie]

Although - what is he doing reading this board during a game?!?!? :wink:

[TUclutch]

The reffing isnt the ONLY reason we're losing, but theyve certainly been bad enough to cost us 8+ point swing over the course of the game.

[xu82]

he had one dribble as he went down then dumped it. smart actually. dammit

[SlimKibbles]

The And 1 crap has to stop.

[xu82]

we need stops!

[Cheesehead]

No question refs haven't helped X tonight

[xumuskies08]

James Farr simply not doing his job on the back end of the press.

[xsteve1]

Too little too late. JMart has been terrible tonight as well and Farr hasn't payed well since Bama'.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Disappointing follow up to the best game of his career for Justin Martin.

[LadyMuskie]

I hope we win Thursday.

[THRILLHOUSE]

and it's over.

[xumuskies08]

Had it downs to 5. WTF

[xsteve1]

Over for sure now. X will probably lose by 20. Farr just terrible.

[The_Mack_Pack]

That didn't take long to fall apart.

[LadyMuskie]

This team has a serious identity crisis.

[xsteve1]

Had it downs to 5. WTF

Pretty typical road performance from X.

[The_Mack_Pack]

I hope everyone complaining why Farr isn't playing more got their answer tonight.

[XU 87]

James Farr simply not doing his job on the back end of the press.

He struggles on defense, to say the least.

He is doing much on offense anymore either.

Stick a fork in us. On to Villanova.

a very poor game.

[mistabeecee41]

James Farr simply not doing his job on the back end of the press.

james farr has simply not done any of the jobs required of him. absolute disappointment. piss poor effort after we needed him to step up with stain gone.

[BandAid]

Disappointing follow up to the best game of his career for Justin Martin.

Any word on why he didn't start? He's a rhythm guy...

[Masterofreality]

So, who was it that said they wanted to see Fuquan Edwin play tonight?

[Cheesehead]

I would like to know how late Martin and Dee were out on Saturday

[xsteve1]

I hope everyone complaining why Farr isn't playing more got their answer tonight.

Yeah, not really sure he has a lot of upside either.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Any word on why he didn't start? He's a rhythm guy...

Very interested in hearing why he didn't start. With only 1 day between games the only thing I could possibly think of is showing up late for practice on Sunday?

[The_Mack_Pack]

Yeah, not really sure he has a lot of upside either.

I think he has good upside but if he doesn't learn how to play defense it doesn't matter.

[THRILLHOUSE]

I hope everyone complaining why Farr isn't playing more got their answer tonight.

Yeah I jumped off the play Farr more bandwagon after the G'Town game. Sadly he just is an all around bad player right now.

[Masterofreality]

In reality, the game that everyone should really be pissed about is the Seton Hall game at Xavier. A week off and a horrible effort by the team and the crowd.

Now the heat is really on for Thursday...and we may not have our center.

[GIMMFD]

We missed so many open shots it's so frustrating. If it wasn't for Semaj we lose that game by 40. Jeeze.

[xsteve1]

Not sure if the St. John's win was X playing well or St. John's just played terrible. X did have 16 turnovers in that game as well.

[XUBob]

Obviously no one wants to see a loss. What bothers me is too many times on the road we have played with no heart or energy. Once or twice OK but it's an almost every road game occurrence.

[Xavier]

This team has a serious identity crisis.

Well, tough because it's an inside out style. When your inside presence goes out you have to get a new identity quick.

[LadyMuskie]

In reality, the game that everyone should really be pissed about is the Seton Hall game at Xavier. A week off and a horrible effort by the team and the crowd.

Now the heat is really on for Thursday...and we may not have our center.

I think everyone is really pissed about that game. I don't think there's a shortage of pissed off-edness for this team this year. They lift our hopes just to punch us in the gut.

[The_Mack_Pack]

We missed so many open shots it's so frustrating. If it wasn't for Semaj we lose that game by 40. Jeeze.

Agreed. Terrible effort by everyone but Semaj.

[Masterofreality]

By the way, Myles Davis has given us nothing.....Zero in the last 4 games. Where is the sharpshooter we need?

[LadyMuskie]

Mother of God. Airball? Seriously?!?!?!? In March?

[xu82]

The happiest thought that I can muster is tomorrow I will not wake up in Newark.

[Cheesehead]

By the way, Myles Davis has given us nothing.....Zero in the last 4 games. Where is the sharpshooter we need?

He's sitting out this season, IU transfer

[XU 87]

I think we're 3-17 from the three.

After Stainbrook got hurt, guys needed to pick up their game.

Credit to Semaj for carrying the team on his back in the second half.

[Mel Cooley XU'81]

I'm sorry. Late to the "party."

What happened to Stainbrook?

[RoseyMuskie]

Shooters need to make shots. Plain and simple. 3-20. Heck, if you go 6-20 still in the game. Not asking a lot.

[GIMMFD]

I'm sorry. Late to the "party."

What happened to Stainbrook?

Went down with maybe 10 left in the first, looked like his knee buckled, didn't look like contact, and immediately went to the floor screaming in pain, he walked off the court awkwardly with help, but is now on the bench, so nobody really knows what's going on.

[The_Mack_Pack]

By the way, Myles Davis has given us nothing.....Zero in the last 4 games. Where is the sharpshooter we need?

This team NEEDS Dee and JMart to shoot well from long range because no one else can.

[vee4xu]

Score only 20 points in the first half and this is what happens

[XU 87]

By the way, Myles Davis has given us nothing.....Zero in the last 4 games. Where is the sharpshooter we need?

And he's not even close on some of these. Great looks and he's throwing up bricks.

three point shooting has been the main difference tonight.

[xumuskies08]

Fun fact: James Farr has scored 4 total points in the last 8 games.

[BandAid]

these refs frustrate the begeezus out of me

[Retire33]

these refs frustrate the begeezus out of me

Offense creating all the contact and getting whistles. Its a joke.

[XU3232]

Semaj can't do everything himself. No help from anyone else offensively tonight. Disappointing to say the least.

[vee4xu]

Semaj 28 points no one else in double figures.

Teague, Oliver and Edwin score combined 54 of 67

[Strange Brew]

So Martin gets elbowed in the face and its his fault....new rules I guess.

[xu82]

I'm sorry. Late to the "party."


Consider yourself the lucky one...

[vee4xu]

I think Xavier's players were with Mel because they were late to the party too

[Masterofreality]

I almost posted this earlier today but didn't want to jinx, but..

Remember, we were Seton Hall last year playing St. Louis on Senior Night. We won, they lost. We lost tonight to last year's Xavier team.

Never, ever take any team for granted. They did. We did. Now we really have a mountain to climb on Thursday.

[xumuskies08]

Fun fact: Myles Davis has not hit a three since the DePaul game.

[The_Mack_Pack]

Semaj 28 points no one else in double figures.

Teague, Oliver and Edwin score combined 54 of 67

I'm glad we'll never see any of them ever again.

[xsteve1]

Fun fact: James Farr has scored 4 total points in the last 8 games.

I just don't know if he has much of a future at X.

[mistabeecee41]

man. we got swept by seton hall. seton freakin' hall.

[vee4xu]

This one hurts badly on a few levels

[BandAid]

horse shit charge call

[THRILLHOUSE]

flop. these refs are a joke.

[xumuskies08]

FLOP. And of course they call a charge

[Retire33]

What the point of forcing inside...you need three possessions.

[vee4xu]

Personally, I'd like one more shot at them in the BE tourney

[mistabeecee41]

i mean philmore's been making his shots. but why are we going inside when were down 7 with 37 seconds left?

[LadyMuskie]

Well. This is two hours of my life I'll never get back.

[kyxu]

What a bullshit charge call. Are you kidding me????

[Strange Brew]

haha, great dive. awesome stripes.

[LadyMuskie]

Personally, I'd like one more shot at them in the BE tourney

NO!

[The_Mack_Pack]

Every single chance Xavier has had to get it within reaching distance X turns the ball over.

[vee4xu]

Well, now we wait and see about Stainbrook

[BandAid]

i mean philmore's been making his shots. but why are we going inside when were down 7 with 37 seconds left?

because we didn't at any other time tonight - better late than never?

[xsteve1]

X was as bad as the Seton Hall crowd and atmosphere.

[vee4xu]

x is 3/21 from three

[The_Mack_Pack]

Two straight airballs to finish the game. Poetic.

[sgarcia]

Pretty sure everytime we got it to 7 or 8 we would turn it over and/or seton hall got a 3 pt play. I didn't watch us play the hall at cintas but I assume it was the exact same as tonight.

[BandAid]

The loss sucks hard. The story of the night though is Stain

[Porkopolis]

Aside form Semaj's second half, that was one of the worst displays of basketball I've seen this year.

[xu82]

I am fairly certain I did not win pick the score. If I did I apologize.

[vee4xu]

This loss is feels worse to me that the win over Creighton felt good. And that win felt great!!

[bjf123]

And the bubble watch starts again.


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[xsteve1]

NO!
Double No.

[xumuskies08]

I'm glad that shit show is over. Now we play the waiting game with Stainbrook.

[Strange Brew]

x is 3/21 from three

Yeah, as much as I'd love to blame this one on a variety of factors. This stat is absolutely terrible for a D1 team and it is not the first time we've shot like this. Hopefully the bombs will fall against Nova b/c we'll need it if Stain is seriously hurt.

[vee4xu]

And the bubble watch starts again.


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Yep and staring down the barrel of Villanova on Thursday

[LadyMuskie]

Aside form Semaj's second half, that was one of the worst displays of basketball I've seen this year.

There was the Georgetown game. That was a doosie. Or the Seton Hall game at home. Also interesting -for lack of a better term.

[vee4xu]

Yeah, as much as I'd love to blame this one on a variety of factors. This stat is absolutely terrible for a D1 team and it is not the first time we've shot like this. Hopefully the bombs will fall against Nova b/c we'll need it if Stain is seriously hurt.

The other side of the equation is that SH made 8 threes. That's outscored 24-9 from three point line. That is the real story.

[The_Mack_Pack]

This team literally cannot play back from a deficit on the road. The only exception was Alabama and that's a terrible team. If Xavier doesn't lead from the get-go on the road then we get down 7 or 8 and it's game over. Same thing over and over again.

[GIMMFD]

All will be fine when we beat Nova on Thursday guys, don't worry ;)

[Masterofreality]

We played lackadaisical early, let them get some confidence and then we started too late again.

This team may just be the most fragile minded team I have ever seen at XU. Cannot play at all in a back to back scenario, even with everything possible at stake.

Part of that is our bench, that was supposed to be so deep, is like paper mâché . Nothing from Myles Davis, Brandon Randolph and Stenger. Very little from Farr. With no bench, you'll wear the team out in closely scheduled games. That's what's happened here.

[LA Muskie]

Hard for me to worry all that much about the results of that game. It's Stain I'm worried about. Oh, and I'd also like to know why Justin Martin didn't start.

[The_Mack_Pack]

I'm just not sure about Farr anymore. Not sure how much PT he'll be seeing next season.

[GuyFawkes38]

And the bubble watch starts again.


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Come on now. We are in. IMHO, this loss is not a bad thing. I'm hoping for a 10-12 seed.

[Masterofreality]

Yep and staring down the barrel of Villanova on Thursday


All will be fine when we beat Nova on Thursday guys, don't worry ;)

Without Matt Stainbrook, and Nova coming in with plenty of rest, I wish I shared your enthusiasm .

[THRILLHOUSE]

We played lackadaisical early, let them get some confidence and then we started too late again.

This team may just be the most fragile minded team I have ever seen at XU. Cannot play at all in a back to back scenario, even with everything possible at stake.

Part of that is our bench, that was supposed to be so deep, is like paper mâché . Nothing from Myles Davis, Brandon Randolph and Stenger. Very little from Farr. With no bench, you'll wear the team out in closely scheduled games. That's what's happened here.

Yeah our bench has been so disappointing since conference play started. Lately the only good bench guy we had was Reynolds, and now with Stainbrook gone our bench is basically gone. Felt so great and optimistic after Saturday, now I'm not sure if I've ever felt this dejected after a loss.

[Retire33]

RPI to #43 with 39 SOS

[Strange Brew]

All will be fine when we beat Nova on Thursday guys, don't worry ;)

so....on...Thursday............................... ................WE RIDE!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm done licking my wounds already. Its March, pour some whiskey on the wound, bite the stick and take this one.....On Thursday we take the field and the day!!!!

[bjf123]

Come on now. We are in. IMHO, this loss is not a bad thing. I'm hoping for a 10-12 seed.

Hope you're right, but I have my doubts. If we can somehow beat Villanova on Thursday, I'll agree we're in. Lose that, and have a first round loss at MSG and I think we're NIT bound.


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[Retire33]

Yeah our bench has been so disappointing since conference play started. Lately the only good bench guy we had was Reynolds, and now with Stainbrook gone our bench is basically gone. Felt so great and optimistic after Saturday, now I'm not sure if I've ever felt this dejected after a loss.

I kind of now know how UC fans felt after Kenyon injury

[LadyMuskie]

Come on now. We are in. IMHO, this loss is not a bad thing. I'm hoping for a 10-12 seed.

We lost twice to a team with an RPI of 147. This loss is a bad loss.

[Cheesehead]

Holy Shit, X got swept by Seton Hall. They are the Fordham of the Big East.

[LA Muskie]

There's no way in hell we're a lock. If we finish out 0-3 we may still get in, but we will be getting in off the bubble. And we will all have much shorter fingernails.

[vee4xu]

We lost twice to a team with an RPI of 147. This loss is a bad loss.

Si.

[Cheesehead]

Hope you're right, but I have my doubts. If we can somehow beat Villanova on Thursday, I'll agree we're in. Lose that, and have a first round loss at MSG and I think we're NIT bound.


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Agreed

[xu82]

Hard for me to worry all that much about the results of that game. It's Stain I'm worried about. Oh, and I'd also like to know why Justin Martin didn't start.

THAT is the truth. I hope it's not too serious, but if it is, you hate to see it so late in the year in terms of being ready for next year. Encouraging that he was getting around some and back on the bench, but you can never tell. Tom Brady walked off the field after he tore his.... uh, you know - not even going there. (To which my son said "THAT was not the same injury I had!") Let's all just hope and pray for the best, for the team and the young man. It's almost worse mentally and emotionally than physically.

[McX]

Remember before the season was much underway, sooo long ago, back when our bench was going to be our strength, remember those days?

[BandAid]

Holy Shit, X got swept by Seton Hall. They are the Fordham of the Big East.

Are you saying Seton Hall wouldn't finish last in the A-10?

[SlimKibbles]

Holy Shit, X got swept by Seton Hall. They are the Fordham of the Big East.

Nah. Seton Hall is more like Duquesne. DePaul is Fordham.

[xufan2434]

The only thing I can think of is when Semaj said in the post game presser how tired they were... and they'll have a week in between Nova and the first round so hopefully that's what they need.

If Stainbrook is out, I think it's gonna be really really hard for X to win a game in the tourney if they do make it. The only positive for Thursday is that he played pretty bad against Nova cause he can't guard their bigs.

[DC Muskie]

The only thing I can think of is when Semaj said in the post game presser how tired they were... and they'll have a week in between Nova and the first round so hopefully that's what they need.

If Stainbrook is out, I think it's gonna be really really hard for X to win a game in the tourney if they do make it. The only positive for Saturday is that he played pretty bad against Nova cause he can't guard their bigs.

We had a week off before we played SH the first time at home and we came out flat.

It's March. No time to be tired. Or the season will be over next week.

[LadyMuskie]

The only thing I can think of is when Semaj said in the post game presser how tired they were... and they'll have a week in between Nova and the first round so hopefully that's what they need.

.

Hearing them say they're tired drives me nuts! It's March. F tired! They better learn to get over being tired if they want to win a game in the tournament. They're 19, 20, 21, 22 year old men in peak physical condition. Tournaments don't care if you're tired. You lose you're out and the season is over. Tired. Give me a break.

[xuwin]

When you lose a key player other guys have to step up. Semaj can't do it by himself. Farr was trying but they ran over him like he wasn't there. If you are going to foul somebody under the basket please make sure he doesn't make the basket. I got tired of watching him give up 3 point plays.

[LadyMuskie]

Sorry. DC beat me to it.

[casualfan]

Joe Danneman ‏@FOX19Joe 57s
Chris Mack on Matt Stainbrook on WLW: "I really don't know at this point. We're hopeful it's just an MCL." Won't know until MRI.

Sounds like Stain is done for the year. Even if it's just an MCL I would think that'd take him out for 3-4 weeks right?

[The_Mack_Pack]

Joe Danneman ‏@FOX19Joe 57s
Chris Mack on Matt Stainbrook on WLW: "I really don't know at this point. We're hopeful it's just an MCL." Won't know until MRI.

Sounds like Stain is done for the year. Even if it's just an MCL I would think that'd take him out for 3-4 weeks right?

He'll be back for the Final Four!

[RoseyMuskie]

Joe Danneman ‏@FOX19Joe 57s
Chris Mack on Matt Stainbrook on WLW: "I really don't know at this point. We're hopeful it's just an MCL." Won't know until MRI.

Sounds like Stain is done for the year. Even if it's just an MCL I would think that'd take him out for 3-4 weeks right?

Yep. I think the best might be a PCL sprain. Might mean he's still done for the season, but I wouldn't imagine any hindrance for next season.

[LadyMuskie]

Mack wants the fans to show up Thursday. That's nice. Hope the team shows up too.

[xu82]

Depends on severity, but I thought an MCL is generally 4-6 weeks. Thinking to next year now. Good news is it heals on it's own with no surgery needed.

[GIMMFD]

Well, that fucking sucks.
Let's hope for a solid result on Thursday. Hope Jalen is ready to fill in some big shoes.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Mack wants the fans to show up Thursday. That's nice. Hope the team shows up too.

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[paulxu]

I'm going to guess this might have been our worst performance from behind the arc all season.
3 of 22. 13%.
Versus a result like we got against Creighton.
Fix that and we win this game.
Will need to fix it by Thursday.

[XUFan09]

I'm going to guess this might have been our worst performance from behind the arc all season.
3 of 22. 13%.
Versus a result like we got against Creighton.
Fix that and we win this game.
Will need to fix it by Thursday.

We were 1 of 10 in another game, but I'd still say this is worse, because they had plenty more attempts to shoot their way out of it.

[The_Mack_Pack]

There was an absurd amount of wide open threes that were missed. Just hit one at a timely spot and all the momentum is X's. Just happened to be that every time we made a run and had the ball we would immediately do something dumb and miss a wide open shot or turn it over and Seton Hall would score.

[casualfan]

Shannon Russell ‏@slrussell 1m
To answer a question from earlier, Justin Martin didn't start because of a disciplinary issue. #Xavier

[THRILLHOUSE]

Shannon Russell ‏@slrussell 1m
To answer a question from earlier, Justin Martin didn't start because of a disciplinary issue. #Xavier

extremely disappointing from a veteran player that should be a leader

[The_Mack_Pack]

extremely disappointing from a veteran player that should be a leader

Agreed. If he wants to be a leader he shouldn't be late to practices or miss team meetings or whatever he did. I hope this is the last time we hear about this out of him.

[RoseyMuskie]

Martin having his best game then being suspended for disciplinary issues as about as "Justin Martin" as it gets.

[LadyMuskie]

Martin having his best game then being suspended for disciplinary issues as about as "Justin Martin" as it gets.

It also pretty much sums up the team as a whole. Amazing one game. Making idiotic mistakes or not showing up at all the next. Xavier Basketball 2013/2014!

[GoMuskies]

Man, now that was a complete horseshit performance. Yowza. If Seton Hall wasn't putrid, that would have been a complete ass-kicking.

[X Factor]

I haven't read the entire thread so I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but has there been a more disappointing player than Myles Davis?

The guy can't make a wide open three and his defense is beyond atrocious.

Brad Redford was a lot better player, even as a true freshman. I cringe when Myles is in the game.

[Xavier]

Knowing Brads career, I'd take Myles Davis over another 4 years of a Redford, especially in the Big East (bigger, stronger guards)

[GoMuskies]

Probably mentioned in the game thread at some point, but I just finished watching the game: did I really see Justin Martin chuck a 35 footer about five seconds into the shot clock?!? That was a surrender shot.

[xu82]

Martin having his best game then being suspended for disciplinary issues as about as "Justin Martin" as it gets.

We can't afford to be slow learners. This is not fun and games, this is serious business. I think back to reading about how Tu spent the summer in the gym. You need a focus we seem to lack. One great game doesn't change the rules and expectations. Live and learn, and move forward.

[LadyMuskie]

That was a surrender shot.

White flags are now packed alongside jerseys and sneakers for away games. We like to be prepared.

[X Factor]

Knowing Brads career, I'd take Myles Davis over another 4 years of a Redford, especially in the Big East (bigger, stronger guards)

Are you nuts? Brad played meaningful minutes as a true freshman when he was 17-18 years old and shot 48% from 3. Even after he tore his ACL, he played pretty solid defense although i think it affected his shot a little.

Myles Davis is a 21 year old freshman. He did a year at prep school, and then sat out his freshman year as a non qualifier. He is slower than molasses and his shot is terrible.

Myles has a couple of inches on Brad but he's too slow to do anything.

Give me Redford. I still have hopes for Myles. I don't even thinks he believes he's going to make shots when he lets them fly.

[SemajParlor]

Really no need for some of these comments.

[GoMuskies]

Really no need for some of these comments.

Did someone say something positive about someone not named Semaj's effort tonight? Because that would be uncalled for.

[SemajParlor]

I know the sky seems to be falling for some people, but saying that Myles Davis is as slow as molasses and his shot is terrible is a waste of a post.

[TUclutch]

Mack wants the fans to show up Thursday. That's nice. Hope the team shows up too.

Fans should show up no matter what

[Juice]

Are you nuts? Brad played meaningful minutes as a true freshman when he was 17-18 years old and shot 48% from 3. Even after he tore his ACL, he played pretty solid defense although i think it affected his shot a little.

Myles Davis is a 21 year old freshman. He did a year at prep school, and then sat out his freshman year as a non qualifier. He is slower than molasses and his shot is terrible.

Myles has a couple of inches on Brad but he's too slow to do anything.

Give me Redford. I still have hopes for Myles. I don't even thinks he believes he's going to make shots when he lets them fly.

Well he's 20 years old right now

[TUclutch]

I haven't read the entire thread so I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but has there been a more disappointing player than Myles Davis?

The guy can't make a wide open three and his defense is beyond atrocious.

Brad Redford was a lot better player, even as a true freshman. I cringe when Myles is in the game.

This whole post is mind boggling to me. Yes Myles has frustrating stretches, but just a few weeks ago Myles broke out of a slump to hit a couple huge threes late in games. He is a freshman and is playing like one. His defense really isn't that bad either. Redford could literally only shoot and try hard. Very little talent. Myles has the potential to be a very good overall player for us for another 3 years

[LadyMuskie]

Fans should show up no matter what

So should the team.

[TUclutch]

People like to point out that MD sat out but they seem to forget that everything he did was on his own(im assuming with Jalen). They weren't allowed to practice with the team or coaches

[TUclutch]

So should the team.

You know what I mean. The cintas crowd is not as great as some make it out to be. The crowd versus creighton was phenominal, but it should be like that every game. Even down 10. Thats really when the crowd should be even louder to try and give the team some energy to feed off.

[GoMuskies]

People like to point out that MD sat out but they seem to forget that everything he did was on his own(im assuming with Jalen). They weren't allowed to practice with the team or coaches

I was instrumental in getting Posey ready for his first season. Apparently the competition in the afternoon pickup games is down these days.

[xsteve1]

People like to point out that MD sat out but they seem to forget that everything he did was on his own(im assuming with Jalen). They weren't allowed to practice with the team or coaches

The problem with Myles is speed and quickness and that's something you can't teach. When I saw him play at ND Prep I was surprised how slow he was.

[xu82]

Well he's 20 years old right now

I haven't verified that, but I suspect you wouldn't correct without knowing. Regardless of years and when the birthday falls, it's his first year of big time ball. It's a whole new game. How many times over the last week have we read about how it takes time and we need to remember that the studs that leave X are much better than the young men who come in. Next year we are going to see more of the same. Our returning players will improve but the loaded class coming in will at times be frustrating. That's just how it works. We need a few consecutive years of that type of recruiting. I don't think we need to rehash the few glitches of the last couple years that set us back a bit - and yet - we currently sit at #3 in the Big East! (Where I hope we can manage to stay)

[paulxu]

Redford could literally only shoot and try hard.

Well that's interesting. Wonder if we could have used those skills this evening. #3-22

[LadyMuskie]

You know what I mean. The cintas crowd is not as great as some make it out to be. The crowd versus creighton was phenominal, but it should be like that every game. Even down 10. Thats really when the crowd should be even louder to try and give the team some energy to feed off.

Blaming the crowd is bush league B.S. You're either ready to play or you're not. If we can't get up and win games even if the crowd isn't Creighton worthy, then we shouldn't be in the Big East. No wonder we can't win on the road if this is the mindset we have. I love cheering our team on, but there comes a point in a game where the team needs to give the fans something to cheer for. Miller said it when he was coach. Mack has said the same thing. Fans pay to see a team play. Teams should come to win whether there are two fans in the stands or 20,000.

[xu82]

Teams should come to win whether there are two fans in the stands or 20,000.
The greats (Jordan, Bird, etc.) didn't care if anyone was there to watch. Not to say they couldn't feed off the crowd, but they were going to kick your ass regardless of who was watching. And it didn't matter if it was hoops or checkers. Not to go back to an infamous (and ill-advised) press conference, but you need a certain amount of attitude - and the ability to control what comes out of your mouth.

[LA Muskie]

Probably mentioned in the game thread at some point, but I just finished watching the game: did I really see Justin Martin chuck a 35 footer about five seconds into the shot clock?!? That was a surrender shot.

I wondered that too but I think he may have noticed that Philmore had position underneath so it was either a 3 or an offensive rebound for 2 (which was the result). Then again I could be giving him too much credit.

[LA Muskie]

Well he's 20 years old right now

This is correct. He won't turn 21 until November.

[MuskieFN]

"Jon Rothstein ‏@JonRothstein
If Seton Hall is healthy, it will be an absolute nuisance to play in the Big East Tournament. Pirates are better than their 15-15 record."


Amen.

[GoMuskies]

I wouldn't be surprised if they lose to DePaul.

[kyxu]

I wouldn't be surprised if they lose to DePaul.

Butler won at Seton Hall