Seton Hall @ Xavier (February 1, 2014) Game Thread

[paulxu]

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Xavier University Musketeers (15-5, 5-2) vs. Seton Hall Pirates (12-9, 3-5)
Saturday, February 1, 2014 at 12:00 p.m. ET
The Cintas Center, Cincinnati, Ohio (10,250)

Live Chat (http://www.chatzy.com/32573582761803)

Notes (http://www.goxavier.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/013014aac.html)

Television: CBS Sports Network with Dave Ryan (play-by-play) and Pete Gillen (analysis)

Radio: 700 WLW-AM (and iHeartRadio), play-by-play from Joe Sunderman (`79). Analysis by Byron Larkin (`88).

[XU3232]

I hope we can find a way to contain Fuquan Edwin. Looking forward to see how our defense looks now!

[JAPER]

This team strangely plays very strong on the road. X has another challenge at noon on a Saturday.

[blobfan]

Need this win!

[American X]

11am CT Tip + Snowstorm = All Day Drinking!

Not a fan of going a week between games. It gives me the shakes worse than this morning.

[Jesuit4Life]

Online stream:
Install Streamtorrent (http://www.softpedia.com/progDownload/Stream-Torrent-Download-129131.html) and add this channel (st://A1gCgpwEdVADUAaCoAHIgBYcsYu/La7/0IfHHyTjA7WHihcGNDIwVFYyimEAikEHZGVmYXVsdIqiHlNwb3 J0cywgV29ybGRXaWRlIEZ1biwgR2VuZXJhbA==).

Also currently listed on FirstRow (http://gofirstrowus.eu/watch/236777/1/watch-seton-hall-vs-xavier-.html) and ATD.net (http://goatd.net/75604/watch-seton-hall-vs-xavier), and may be added later to VIPBox (http://www.vipboxus.co/sports/basketball.html). I'm not sure if any of these will turn out to be Flash streams or just the Streamtorrent link.
Don't install any codecs or players, and once again AdBlock (https://adblockplus.org/) is good to have.

***EDIT***
FirstRow is up and on CBS Sports

[American X]

Beers cracked in Live Chat (http://us14.chatzy.com/32573582761803)

[X-Fan]

Online stream:
Install Streamtorrent (http://www.softpedia.com/progDownload/Stream-Torrent-Download-129131.html) and add this channel (st://A1gCgpwEdVADUAaCoAHIgBYcsYu/La7/0IfHHyTjA7WHihcGNDIwVFYyimEAikEHZGVmYXVsdIqiHlNwb3 J0cywgV29ybGRXaWRlIEZ1biwgR2VuZXJhbA==).

Also currently listed on FirstRow (http://gofirstrowus.eu/watch/236777/1/watch-seton-hall-vs-xavier-.html) and ATD.net (http://goatd.net/75604/watch-seton-hall-vs-xavier), and may be added later to VIPBox (http://www.vipboxus.co/sports/basketball.html). I'm not sure if any of these will turn out to be Flash streams or just the Streamtorrent link.
Don't install any codecs or players, and once again AdBlock (https://adblockplus.org/) is good to have.

***EDIT***
FirstRow is up and on CBS Sports
I get the Audio but no video what am I doing wrong?

[Jesuit4Life]

I get the Audio but no video what am I doing wrong?

On Firstrow? Well, I had both video and audio but for some reason it just switched to soccer. Ugh.

[X-Fan]

On Firstrow? Well, I had both video and audio but for some reason it just switched to soccer. Ugh.
Ya, it just switched to soccer for me as well.

[sirthought]

I'm only seeing soccer. Damn

[whiteyxu]

Is anybody getting the online links to work?

[xumuskies08]

Stainbrook's getting hammered every time he flashes to the middle and he hasn't gotten a call yet.

[Jesuit4Life]

Nope, none are working. I left a message for the guy supposedly running the Streamtorrent link so hopefully he'll see it.

[coasterville95]

Be happy you aren't seeing this.

[paulxu]

I'm glad to see we have our new defensive intensity.
They're only shooting 50% now.

[XU-PA]

Farr's intensity is amazing,,,, no matter where he is, or what the game situation is. banging hard on both ends!

[Jesuit4Life]

Alright, finally at least Streamtorrent is working. Sorry the quality is bad.

If it says Not Connected, you need to follow these instructions for a patch (http://forum.wiziwig.eu/threads/84017-A-Solution-to-Net-State-Not-Connected-and-the-Red-X).

[xumuskies08]

Bad call on Semaj for his 2nd foul. Looked like a bigtime flop from where I'm sitting.

[Jesuit4Life]

I'm blaming that first half on the week-long layoff.

[xumuskies08]

Things could be worse I guess. 7 turnovers...5-11 from the line...just didn't look all there. Relieved to be up 1 at the break is how I would describe my feelings.

[paulxu]

They could be worse is right. Half time "adjustments" result in a 10-3 opening second half.

[sirthought]

The old links on Firstrow, et al are no longer there.

Bummer.

[Lloyd Braun]

How is it possible for a big center to be in the act of shooting while backing down the defender in the post!? That and-1 was complete BS whether it was a charge or block (also debatable).

[paulxu]

It's probably good for my heart that I can not see this game on TV.

[The_Mack_Pack]

I like Stenger's hustle and all but there is no reason he should ever be passed the ball in traffic..

[paulxu]

Semaj and Stainbrook the only people to score for X in the second half so far.

Edit: and now Philmore

[coasterville95]

Be sure to add to your stat sheet that Brad Redford is 1-1 from the half court line. It doesn't count for anything except fan morale.

[paulxu]

Be sure to add to your stat sheet that Brad Redford is 1-1 from the half court line. It doesn't count for anything except fan morale.

What was that. The half time entertainment?

[bjf123]

What was that. The half time entertainment?

Time out promo for Penn Station.


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[coasterville95]

Half time was a guy balancing on a stack of chairs. Seriously.

[sirthought]

Man this game is waaay closer than it should be.

[paulxu]

Mack must be going nuts. They've taken 10 more shots than us because we've got 12 TO's. 9 by Semaj and Dee.
Ugly.

[sirthought]

Come'on Martin. Pick it up.

[coasterville95]

To Muskies point. The rims positively hate us this season

[xumuskies08]

This is embarrassing.

[The_Mack_Pack]

This is the most frustrating game I've seen this season.

[xumuskies08]

15-26 from the line. 12 turnovers. X is just killing themselves.

[bjf123]

If we were making FTs at the same rate as SH, we'd be winning.


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[X Factor]

This team has NO ONE who can shoot from outside.

Can't win when you rely on 2 pointers all the time.

[X Factor]

Looks like all the effort the team put in working on defense made them forget how to score

[The_Mack_Pack]

This team has NO ONE who can shoot from outside.

Can't win when you rely on 2 pointers all the time.

And Myles can't even hit the open ones anymore..

[X Factor]

Myles Davis can't shoot.

[X Factor]

Butler just beat this Seton Hall team. Pathetic.

[X Factor]

Awesome shot Dee.

[X Factor]

Eric Stegner should never play. What does he do well? Anything?

[RealDeal]

This game has been a crapfest from the tip.

[X Factor]

Playing their way right onto the bubble.

[xumuskies08]

Not the kind of momentum you want when you're heading on the road to play a top 10 team

[X Factor]

Davis can't make a three when it counts.

[The_Mack_Pack]

Myles HAS to hit those shots.

[X Factor]

SHU makes their FT's. Must be nice.

[xumuskies08]

The supposed three point specialist is 2-9...

[X Factor]

Fu@$ this!!

[casualfan]

The supposed three point specialist is 2-9...


My question is why Mack is drawing up plays in crunch time for a guy who is 2-8 on the day?

[NY44]

Gotta love a 3 point specialist who doesn't make 3s....

[The_Mack_Pack]

Myles and Farr have really fallen off the map over the past 5-6 games.

[The_Mack_Pack]

My question is why Mack is drawing up plays in crunch time for a guy who is 2-8 on the day?

Who else do you want shooting the three? Martin has shown he can't hit clutch threes and Dee has been worse today than Myles.

[sirthought]

This team might miss the tournament AGAIN.

[paulxu]

Should have snuck Brad into the game.

[NY44]

Myles and Farr have really fallen off the map over the past 5-6 games.

Myles has been off the entirety of conference play. Farr looked like he had 2 left feet today.

[gladdenguy]

As much as I love Chris Mack he got worked today. Offense was pathetic against a weak match up zone.

[The_Mack_Pack]

This team might miss the tournament AGAIN.

I wouldn't go that far yet. Every team hits a couple of rough patches throughout the season. The home games against Creighton and Nova to finish the season are getting bigger and bigger though.

[Retire33]

My question is why Mack is drawing up plays in crunch time for a guy who is 2-8 on the day?

With a game that is within two possessions with over one minute left. Totally baffled by it

[sirthought]

3 pointers and free throws were the difference in this game. The score is actually pretty close, but we should have wiped these guys up.

[Cheesehead]

Kinda glad my daughter had a game at same time and I didn't have to see this. For the record, her freshmen team had better FT percentage today.

[GuyFawkes38]

I didn't see this one coming. Just bad fundamentals. 2-14 from 3. 16-28 from the free throw line. And we had 13 TO's. Ugh. That's an absurdly inefficient performance.

[sirthought]

I know that the zone was a big reason for this, but this team can't shoot so many threes. Farr needs to learn how to get inside position better and have more attempts.

[The_Mack_Pack]

I know that the zone was a big reason for this, but this team can't shoot so many threes. Farr needs to learn how to get inside position better and have more attempts.

Farr needs to work on his feet movement over the summer a lot. He'll be a real weapon once he's more than just a spot-up shooter and offensive rebounder.

[DC Muskie]

Well that was disappointing.

[xumuskies08]

Just heard on the postgame...Christon, Stainbrook, and Philmore accounted for 28 of X's 32 second half points. Dee, Martin, and Farr were completely non-existent.

[BlueGuy]

I know that the zone was a big reason for this, but this team can't shoot so many threes. Farr needs to learn how to get inside position better and have more attempts.

Stenger was in over Farr for a good majority of the last 12 mins of the game... Stenger is a stud on D, but struggles to even make layups. I was wondering why he was in there so much at the end.

[paulxu]

Where did my basketball team go? The one that smashed UC.
I want my team back.

[xumuskies08]

I know that the zone was a big reason for this, but this team can't shoot so many threes. Farr needs to learn how to get inside position better and have more attempts.

14 three point attempts, with 3 or 4 being desperation attempts is not many at all.

[sirthought]

Stenger was in over Farr for a good majority of the last 12 mins of the game... Stenger is a stud on D, but struggles to even make layups. I was wondering why he was in there so much at the end.


IDK. Maybe it's because Farr isn't looking to be inside enough. His 2 attempts aren't going to help us. That might be our guards not looking for him enough or Stainbrook being given the play. But Philmore is at least trying. If Farr can't demand the touch, then we have to think about why he's out there.

Another thought, could Stenger be faster than Farr? SHU was pretty fast in that zone.

[paulxu]

Good lord. I opened up the Huffington Post to take my mind off this game, and the AP ticker at the top of the page says..."Seton Hall snaps Xavier's home winning streak."
Nice to know we can make the national news.

[sirthought]

14 three point attempts, with 3 or 4 being desperation attempts is not many at all.

I don't disagree completely, but looking at the overall attempts they are too many if you aren't making them. You have to be looking for your best shots. If the outside shooters aren't hitting and the attempts by the inside players are lower (Farr, Stenger) then I say consider your offensive balance.

[xavierj]

In my opinion this one is on the coaches. They were not ready to play and after a loss and a week to prepare that is disappointing. Flat is what they were. Not sure how that happens. They will have to find a way to win atleast three more on the road and not lose any more at home. Anything less than 11-7 in conference will be dicey.

[kyxu]

Well, this team can't cry over today for too long. They play Villanova in a little over 48 hours. If they're pissed off enough, Monday can be another chance to prove themselves. That's one blessing about this conference, at least.

[X Factor]

I know that the zone was a big reason for this, but this team can't shoot so many threes. Farr needs to learn how to get inside position better and have more attempts.

This isn't 1980. You HAVE to be able to take and make threes in today's game. You can't rely on shooting 2 pointers. There has to be a balance. 2 made threes for a college team is terrible.

[sirthought]

This isn't 1980. You HAVE to be able to take and make threes in today's game. You can't rely on shooting 2 pointers. There has to be a balance. 2 made threes for a college team is terrible.

Balance is what I was talking about. I don't care what year it is. Higher percentage shots are higher percentage shots. If these guys aren't hitting the threes, coach needs to be sure the bigs are getting more touches inside. Our two front line starters had 11 attempts.

[xumuskies08]

I don't disagree completely, but looking at the overall attempts they are too many if you aren't making them. You have to be looking for your best shots. If the outside shooters aren't hitting and the attempts by the inside players are lower (Farr, Stenger) then I say consider your offensive balance.

I don't have any problem with sheer number of attempts. X is actually 314th in three point attempts per game in all of college basketball at 14.8. I do have a problem with the timing of some of them. Like Myles in transition or Dee without a single pass in the offensive set. When you don't shoot the three particularly well you can't be jacking them up early in the shot clock like they did today.

[NY44]

I can't think of someone to blame this one on. They came out very flat and never picked it up. I have to give it to SHU, they played us really well on D. Semaj can't be the only guard to contribute and that's what happened today.

[RoseyMuskie]

Chris Mack's postgame thoughts were rather revealing. He virtually called out Dee Davis on air. Basically, he said you can't always go for grand slams and he expects more from a veteran guard. Clearly in reference to the no-pass three at the end.

And I pose this as a serious question: Can you think of a worse FT shooter than Stenger? I legitimately can't.

[Burrcats]

Xavier is now 14-6 (5-3) with an RPI of 40. Currently they have two wins over tournament teams (Cincinnati and Tennessee) but the big loss to Tennessee kind of neutralizes the win. They now have two bad losses against USC and at home against Seton Hall.

These are the key games remaining: home against Villanova, Creighton and Providence and a road game against Villanova. Also need to avoid bad losses.


You guys think Xavier can recover??

[sirthought]

Xavier is now 14-6 (5-3) with an RPI of 40. Currently they have two wins over tournament teams (Cincinnati and Tennessee) but the big loss to Tennessee kind of neutralizes the win. They now have two bad losses against USC and at home against Seton Hall.

These are the key games remaining: home against Villanova, Creighton and Providence and a road game against Villanova. Also need to avoid bad losses.


You guys think Xavier can recover??

They are actually 15-6, but whatever.

I wonder if they can recover. All of these teams are going to be gunning for better season position. MU and SHU are knocking on our door if we don't win these next couple.

They have the talent. They still seem to be adjusting to the defenses Big East teams are using on them.

[Burrcats]

They are actually 15-6, but whatever.

I wonder if they can recover. All of these teams are going to be gunning for better season position. MU and SHU are knocking on our door if we don't win these next couple.

They have the talent. They still seem to be adjusting to the defenses Big East teams are using on them.

Sorry, I was going by the RPI and they don't count the Abilene Christian game. Providence and Xavier seem the most likely to join Creighton and Villanova, so that heightens the match-ups between those two even more.

[GuyFawkes38]

I can't think of someone to blame this one on. They came out very flat and never picked it up. I have to give it to SHU, they played us really well on D. Semaj can't be the only guard to contribute and that's what happened today.

I think Martin and Dee Davis are keys to this team's success. Of they struggle, we are in trouble.

[bjf123]

These are the key games remaining: home against Villanova, Creighton and Providence and a road game against Villanova. Also need to avoid bad losses.


You guys think Xavier can recover??
They way they've played lately, I would expect those 4 games to be losses. At this point, I'll be happy to go 2-2.



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[Juice]

I think Martin and Dee Davis are keys to this team's success. Of they struggle, we are in trouble.

Completely agree. X had zero offensive production outside of Semaj and Stainbrook.

[xsteve1]

I think Martin and Dee Davis are keys to this team's success. Of they struggle, we are in trouble.

Confused why Mack only gave Martin 22 minutes when this team doesn't have many offensive options. Not sure why he gave so many minutes to Stenger. Like the guys hustle but he is not a guy who should be getting 13 minutes on this level.

[bjf123]

Think Stenger was getting a lot of the minutes Reynolds would have gotten, until he got in foul trouble, of course.


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[waggy]

I think he's trying to get Stenger back in the flow after being out so long. Could be helpful at the end of the year. And besides, he might be earning it in practice. But he's woeful on the offensive end.

[vee4xu]

My mama told me there'd be days like this. Xavier has to wake up and realize that there are no nights off in the Big East. There are no Fordhams, Duqesnes, St. Bonnies, LaSalles, etc in the Big East. Before this year, Seton Hall played against Pitt, Syracuse, UC, Louisville, in addition to the teams still in the league. They are not daunted by coming into a sold out Cintas Center. They have big, strong players who are used to the big stage. Are the the best BE team out there? No, but they are better than the cupcakes that used to waltz into the Cintas Center from the A-10.

Bottom line: X needs to bring their A-Game each and every night. If not, then more of what happened to them tonight will happen to them in the future.

[SkyWalker]

Let's give Seton Hall some credit. They were well prepared for us. They took our transition game completely away, threw a match-up zone at us which we were ill prepared for, and really forced a huge amount of turnovers via off the ball steals. That said, Seton Hall seemed offensively challenged and we matched them at that step for step. For years, it seems to me, Xavier plays its best when they have balanced scoring. I listeded to the post game show and heard Semaj, Stainbrook, and Phillmore had 28 of our 32 points. That is not a recipe for success. We need others (Dee, Martin, Farr, Myles) to contribute offensively every game. Let's start with a win at Villanova on Monday which will quickly allow us to forget about the Seton Hall game.