Ohio State Is Not Good

[xubrew]

I know the voters don't watch the games, but hopefully this score will help clue them in. Ohio State has had to sweat out a lot of mediocre teams, and they haven't actually beaten any good ones. They did win at Marquette and got a lot of credit for it, but Marquette was way overvalued at the time. They're not good. They lost to Penn State at home. Their best win is against North Dakota State, who's decent, but hardly a top 25 team.

After this, I wonder if Ohio State is even the fourth best team in Ohio behind Cincinnati, Xavier and Toledo.

[Juice]

Brian Snow ‏@BSnowScout
Honest question if Ohio U had Ohio St's resume and Duquesne had Pitt's resume would people have them in their NCAA mock brackets?

Voters are too dumb to actually consider this.

[xubrew]

I didn't realize Jerian Grant played for Notre Dame when Ohio State beat them. I thought he had already been suspended. That's probably a better win than the win against North Dakota State, but still....they're not good.

[GIMMFD]

Just dropped a game at home in OT against the mighty Penn State Nittany Lions... ouch, OSU is in crisis mode right now.

[xavierj]

I didn't realize Jerian Grant played for Notre Dame when Ohio State beat them. I thought he had already been suspended. That's probably a better win than the win against North Dakota State, but still....they're not good.

Yeah and ND blew an 8 point lead with a minute to go in that game.

[Milhouse]

OSU blew an 11 point game with 3 mins to go last night...at home too. So karma fro that ND win I suppose.

[danaandvictory]

Elite defensive team, can't find the basket with two hands and a shovel. And recently, it looks like their protracted offensive woes have caused their defensive effort to slip.

Their 1-5 conference start is particularly anemic when you consider they've only played the 9th best conference schedule in the Big Ten so far. That will change, as their next two games are at Wisconsin and at Iowa.

They are in some trouble.

[Titanxman04]

Watch OSU continue to recieve votes though... You know, cause Aaron Craft plays with heart.

[throwbackmuskie]

Personally I never thought much of Matta as a coach. good recruiter, like John Cooper, but I do not think he is that great of a coach.

[Titanxman04]

Personally I never thought much of Matta as a coach. good recruiter, like John Cooper, but I do not think he is that great of a coach.

When we played them in the second round, I thought that Matta was simply out-coached by Miller during that game. It was the pure talent of that team that beat us...And Oden being a punk.

[throwbackmuskie]

He is outcoached a lot. The talent covered up a lot of it. Now the talent isn't that great and it is showing more and more.

[GoMuskies]

The NIT this year could be legendary with North Carolina, Ohio State and Dayton.

[throwbackmuskie]

I think Dayton is CBI bound

[Titanxman04]

I think Dayton is CBI bound

That would turn out to be a good year for Dayton at this point.

[Juice]

Watch OSU continue to recieve votes though... You know, cause Aaron Craft plays with heart.

His heart is so strong and gritty that OSU doesn't even need offense. It just needs more Aaron Craft heart.

[XULucho27]

His heart is so strong and gritty that OSU doesn't even need offense. It just needs more Aaron Craft heart.

If the season ended today, Aaron Craft's heart would be the #1 overall seed.

[ammtd34]

Watch OSU continue to recieve votes though... You know, cause Aaron Craft plays with heart.

Intangibles. Toughness. Stuff like that.

[Titanxman04]

Chuck Norris doesn't have a weakness...except Aaron Craft.

[paulxu]

He once parallel....what? Wrong thread?
OK then.

[gladdenguy]

Ohio is 2-6 in football and basketball in the year 2014. This year is starting out awesome. F--k that school.

[vee4xu]

Ohio is 2-6 in football and basketball in the year 2014. This year is starting out awesome. F--k that school.

I am with you on the basketball side of it. When's Meecchigan gonna fire Fat Brady? He's doing you guys no favors.

[vee4xu]

Aaron Craft could go to war with me anytime. At first, I HATED the kid. But, the more you see of him and get to know about him, he is solid. Great in community. Great student. Hustling, never quit attitude on the basketball court. What isn't there to like about that?

[mohr5150]

Aaron Craft could go to war with me anytime. At first, I HATED the kid. But, the more you see of him and get to know about him, he is solid. Great in community. Great student. Hustling, never quit attitude on the basketball court. What isn't there to like about that?

He goes to Ohio State. That's all I need to hear to not like the guy.

[vee4xu]

He goes to Ohio State. That's all I need to hear to not like the guy.

The good news for you tonight is that we are in America so it's absolutely your right not to like him.

[GoMuskies]

I've probably only watched Craft play once (against Wichita State in last year's Elite Eight), so I have no real opinion on Craft. Other than that he's apparently highly overrated (based on his stats). I like that his team loses a lot, though.

[vee4xu]

If heart and hustle were stats, then he'd be atop the list. Many times we've said about our own XU players that their worth can't be measured solely by their game stats. Guys like Justin Cage are a prime example. Never atop the stat board, but played with the heart of a lion and that rubs off on other players and elevates their game. That's what Craft does. Look, I'm not OSU basketball fan by any means, but living here I've seen enough of the kid on and off the court to consider him a quality person. That's just me, but the opinion is based on a pretty good sample universe.

[bigdiggins]

Aaron Craft could go to war with me anytime. At first, I HATED the kid. But, the more you see of him and get to know about him, he is solid. Great in community. Great student. Hustling, never quit attitude on the basketball court. What isn't there to like about that?
I don't like that he commits assault 9-10 Times per game but only gets whistled for two fouls.

[GoMuskies]

If heart and hustle were stats, then he'd be atop the list.

So he's white. Got it.

[Patrick Bateman]

Aaron Craft could go to war with me anytime. At first, I HATED the kid. But, the more you see of him and get to know about him, he is solid. Great in community. Great student. Hustling, never quit attitude on the basketball court. What isn't there to like about that?

Averages 9 points on an unranked team. 3 point shooting percentage has decreased every year, now at 32%. Not elite athlete. Didn't know how much time on clock last game and didn't get shot off at buzzer. Hasn't improved much if anything in 4 years.

[chico]

So he's white. Got it.

But Justin Cage - who he mentions as well - is not.


Averages 9 points on an unranked team. 3 point shooting percentage has decreased every year, now at 32%. Not elite athlete. Didn't know how much time on clock last game and didn't get shot off at buzzer. Hasn't improved much if anything in 4 years.

So you're going to show a point guard's shooting stats? The guy never was a big scorer - he's a point guard who's strengths are passing and defense. OSU had no offensive weapons this year so Craft's had to be more of a presence which has never been a big part of his game.

The problem this year with OSU is that they have no talent. Matta missed with a couple of his recruits - there is absolutely nobody in the post, and no real shooters. He's paying the price, because in the Big 10 you can't get away with a lack of talent and try to make up for it with better coaching - there are far too many really good coaches with loads of talent.

[Lamont Sanford]

So he's white. Got it.

Then we have to assume he is well-spoken and articulate?

[GoMuskies]

Then we have to assume he is well-spoken and articulate?

Yes. If he was black, you would actually say that.

[Masterofreality]

But Justin Cage - who he mentions as well - is not.



So you're going to show a point guard's shooting stats? The guy never was a big scorer - he's a point guard who's strengths are passing and defense. OSU had no offensive weapons this year so Craft's had to be more of a presence which has never been a big part of his game.

The problem this year with OSU is that they have no talent. Matta missed with a couple of his recruits - there is absolutely nobody in the post, and no real shooters. He's paying the price, because in the Big 10 you can't get away with a lack of talent and try to make up for it with better coaching - there are far too many really good coaches with loads of talent.

Stanley Burrell was a better college player than Aaron Craft, and played just as good a defense in his last two years.

Beaknose has always been an average coach who was bailed out by a lot of great 3 point shooters. In fact, this morning's Very Plain Dealer has an analysis of what's wrong with TOSU and one of the first things is that they have to change the "pass the ball around the perimeter" offense...and then they called for, horrors, more ball screens.

Toucan also always relied on recruiting the ones and dones, it is finally catching up to him along with the fact that they had scholarships taken away because of the APR falling below due to all the departures.

You eventually reap what you sow.

[ThrowDownDBrown]

Calling Thad an average coach is just idiotic

[Masterofreality]

Calling Thad an average coach is just idiotic

Average as far as bench coaching is concerned. Average.

I'll credit him with being a great recruiter, but I saw close up how he operated when he was at X.

I'll give him credit on this as well...that he was great at developing assistants. he had his staff set up like Offensive and Defensive Coordinators- Groce was offensive and the Desert Raccoon was defensive. He really was just the "executive" overseeing everything. Now at TOSU, remember that he had guys like Groce, Whitmer, Majors. Now all those guys are gone and he's on his own. That is not good, and it is showing.

[GoMuskies]

I thought Thad was great as a bench coach in his time at X. Granted, we were coming off having Skip on the bench, so it was probably not that tough to look good by comparison.

[Masterofreality]

I thought Thad was great as a bench coach in his time at X. Granted, we were coming off having Skip on the bench, so it was probably not that tough to look good by comparison.

See my edited comment above about assistants.

[vee4xu]

So he's white. Got it.

Not sure what this is code for in your world, but hey, whatever.

[GoMuskies]

Not sure what this is code for in your world, but hey, whatever.

It's code for lacking in skin pigmentation.

[ThrowDownDBrown]

So an average coach took us to our first elite 8 with zero NBA talent on the team? Pretty impressive. If all he does is rely on one and dones then how did he make the elite 8 and final four the last two years without any of them on the team? Obviously you don't like the guy but making stupid posts like you did above just makes you seem butthurt still that he left. IMO it's pretty impressive that our previous two coaches are two of the best in the country. Hopefully Chris can be as good as they are one day. Never understood why people root against them, it only makes Xavier look better if they succeed at their current jobs

[danaandvictory]

Craft is Viagra for old white sportswriters.

[gladdenguy]

I am with you on the basketball side of it. When's Meecchigan gonna fire Fat Brady? He's doing you guys no favors.

Vee I do love you. When Ohio does well I am happy for a couple people. You are one of those few.

If Brady has another 7-5 or 8-4 he's gone.

[ammtd34]

Briante Weber is a better defender and PG than Aaron Craft.

[chico]

Stanley Burrell was a better college player than Aaron Craft, and played just as good a defense in his last two years.

Beaknose has always been an average coach who was bailed out by a lot of great 3 point shooters. In fact, this morning's Very Plain Dealer has an analysis of what's wrong with TOSU and one of the first things is that they have to change the "pass the ball around the perimeter" offense...and then they called for, horrors, more ball screens.

Toucan also always relied on recruiting the ones and dones, it is finally catching up to him along with the fact that they had scholarships taken away because of the APR falling below due to all the departures.

You eventually reap what you sow.

MOR, you're my partner in crime, but you can't compare Burrell and Craft. They're two different players. If you want to compare defense only, then yes, I'd take Stanley over Craft any day. But Craft is still a very good defender. Where he has Burrell beat is the fact that he plays the point, and does a very good job of it.

And I think Matta's a better than average coach. I'd put him in the second tier of coaches. Guys like Izzo, Behlein and yes, even Sean Miller are better, but there aren't a lot of guys who are.

I really don't care either way about Craft - I do find the backlash against him kind of humorous. Maybe it's because Ron Paulus is on Matta's staff.

[ammtd34]

Maybe it's because Ron Paulus is on Matta's staff.

I don't know if that was intentional or not, but I laughed hard at that.

[GoMuskies]

Frankly, it's kind of the Tebow syndrome. It's not the players' fault that media fawn all over them despite their shortcomings. It just annoys people after a while.

[nuts4xu]

Then we have to assume he is well-spoken and articulate?

We can also assume he is a "high motor" guy or a "gym rat" too...

[vee4xu]

Vee I do love you. When Ohio does well I am happy for a couple people. You are one of those few.

If Brady has another 7-5 or 8-4 he's gone.
Luv back at ya, bro. You at Dana's pre-game tomorrow?

[ThrowDownDBrown]

Hopefully Bradys successor can come up with a better shtick then "Ohio." Also for your guys sake hopefully he'll actually wear a headset and be able to count past potato as well

[Masterofreality]

So an average coach took us to our first elite 8 with zero NBA talent on the team? Pretty impressive. If all he does is rely on one and dones then how did he make the elite 8 and final four the last two years without any of them on the team? Obviously you don't like the guy but making stupid posts like you did above just makes you seem butthurt still that he left. IMO it's pretty impressive that our previous two coaches are two of the best in the country. Hopefully Chris can be as good as they are one day. Never understood why people root against them, it only makes Xavier look better if they succeed at their current jobs

Again, did you read my post about assistants and how Big Nose runs his program?

First of all, thank Gawd that Lionel Chalmers stood on his head to rescue a 10-9 season. Before we beat the Borecats on a play that was all Lionel and no Beaknose, that team had utterly quit at GW. I was there, I saw it. Chalmers saved the whole year with his attitude and skill. Secondly, it wasn't like there was No talent on that 2004 team. Sato has been a premier player in Europe as has Doellman. Myles and Chalmers have had long pro careers overseas.

Third, Toucan had David West and arguably a better team in 2003 and lost to a Maryland team he should have beaten. Fourth, if the Desert Raccoon plays his cards like he does now when up 3 in end game, Beaky loses to Xavier in Lexington and his dream team tanks.

Now, with all of his assistant talent gone, he's on his own... and it's not pretty. Recruiter? Great. Staff developer? Great. Game coach? Meh.

Stupid? Butthurt? Nah. I like our coach now.

[Juice]

Aaron Craft could go to war with me anytime. At first, I HATED the kid. But, the more you see of him and get to know about him, he is solid. Great in community. Great student. Hustling, never quit attitude on the basketball court. What isn't there to like about that?

That very little of that makes him a better basketball player

[vee4xu]

That very little of that makes him a better basketball player

My point is that he's a good all around person.

[ThrowDownDBrown]

Again, did you read my post about assistants and how Big Nose runs his program?

First of all, thank Gawd that Lionel Chalmers stood on his head to rescue a 10-9 season. Before we beat the Borecats on a play that was all Lionel and no Beaknose, that team had utterly quit at GW. I was there, I saw it. Chalmers saved the whole year with his attitude and skill. Secondly, it wasn't like there was No talent on that 2004 team. Sato has been a premier player in Europe as has Doellman. Myles and Chalmers have had long pro careers overseas.

Third, Toucan had David West and arguably a better team in 2003 and lost to a Maryland team he should have beaten. Fourth, if the Desert Raccoon plays his cards like he does now when up 3 in end game, Beaky loses to Xavier in Lexington and his dream team tanks.

Now, with all of his assistant talent gone, he's on his own... and it's not pretty. Recruiter? Great. Staff developer? Great. Game coach? Meh.

Stupid? Butthurt? Nah. I like our coach now.

So when he's back to having a top 10 team next year all the credit goes to his assistants and the players but he doesn't get any? Ok got it now

[danaandvictory]

Aaron Craft taught me the meaning of Christmas and how to love again.

[xumuskies08]

My main aggravation with Craft is the insane amount of praise he gets from every announcer/analyst/writer from every media outlet that covers college basketball. I fully acknowledge he's a top notch defender, but he's extremely mediocre on the offensive end of the floor (especially this year). His inclusion on the mid-season Wooden list didn't do him any favors in my book. There were several players more deserving of that honor than Craft.

[Masterofreality]

So when he's back to having a top 10 team next year all the credit goes to his assistants and the players but he doesn't get any? Ok got it now

Well, that is some speculation now isn't it?

I prefer to project Xavier as a Top 10 team next year with our coach and talent.

Toucan Thad is dead to me.

[Masterofreality]

My main aggravation with Craft is the insane amount of praise he gets from every announcer/analyst/writer from every media outlet that covers college basketball. I fully acknowledge he's a top notch defender, but he's extremely mediocre on the offensive end of the floor (especially this year). His inclusion on the mid-season Wooden list didn't do him any favors in my book. There were several players more deserving of that honor than Craft.

Uh, like Semaj Christon?

[GoMuskies]

Uh, like Semaj Christon?

And Fred VanVleet! I've got to cover both my constituencies.

[X-Fan]

Aaron Craft taught me the meaning of Christmas and how to love again.
And every time he bricks a Three an Angel gets its wings.

[paulxu]

Or a VW engineer.

[Masterofreality]

And every time he bricks a Three an Angel gets its wings.

REPS...and Laughs!

[Juice]

Let's not forget that Aaron Craft got Bruce Pearl fired.

[danaandvictory]

Or, conversely, Bruce Pearl got a show-cause over Aaron Craft.

I mean, Shaq, that's one thing. But Aaron Craft?

[gladdenguy]

Luv back at ya, bro. You at Dana's pre-game tomorrow?

Not tomorrow but definitely pregaming for Providence at Dana's.

[Patrick Bateman]

But Justin Cage - who he mentions as well - is not.



So you're going to show a point guard's shooting stats? The guy never was a big scorer - he's a point guard who's strengths are passing and defense. OSU had no offensive weapons this year so Craft's had to be more of a presence which has never been a big part of his game.

The problem this year with OSU is that they have no talent. Matta missed with a couple of his recruits - there is absolutely nobody in the post, and no real shooters. He's paying the price, because in the Big 10 you can't get away with a lack of talent and try to make up for it with better coaching - there are far too many really good coaches with loads of talent.

You said it, OSU has no talent.

In previous years he didn't have to score, now he has to and he flat out can't
What is point of great passer if there is nobody to pass to?
What a great defender on a team that lost 4 in a row, and had game winning shot stuck in his face last game, then couldn't get go ahead shot off b/c he didn't know how much time was left
He has not stepped up his game at all
He has not improved after 4 years in college
Does he work on his shot, 3 pt% has declined every year?
He had to know that he would be carrying a bigger load this year with weak recruiting class

[sirthought]

No. 24 Ohio State defeats No. 14 Wisconsin 59-58

I'm surprised considering how tough Wisconsin has been this season.

[xsteve1]

I know the voters don't watch the games, but hopefully this score will help clue them in. Ohio State has had to sweat out a lot of mediocre teams, and they haven't actually beaten any good ones. They did win at Marquette and got a lot of credit for it, but Marquette was way overvalued at the time. They're not good. They lost to Penn State at home. Their best win is against North Dakota State, who's decent, but hardly a top 25 team.

After this, I wonder if Ohio State is even the fourth best team in Ohio behind Cincinnati, Xavier and Toledo.

after today you can move OSU in front of X. Anybody that questions Matta as a coach is clueless.

[Juice]

No. 24 Ohio State defeats No. 14 Wisconsin 59-58

I'm surprised considering how tough Wisconsin has been this season.

You do realize that Wisconsin is 1-5 in it's last 6 games?

[BlueGuy]

You do realize that Wisconsin is 1-5 in it's last 6 games?

The rankings for so many teams, this season, have been very misleading. Wisconsin and Ohio St have both lost a bunch of games recently, yet it was #14 vs #24.

[waggy]

A lot of inconsistency team to team this year. Most college teams have various flaws, but seems more prevelent than ever.

[xubrew]

after today you can move OSU in front of X. Anybody that questions Matta as a coach is clueless.

Agreed,

and agreed.

If your second sentence is directed at me, I never questioned Matta as a coach. I never have. I limit myself to being involved in one stupid argument at a time, and I was already in another one, so I just ignored the nonsense about how Matta was a crap coach. I just didn't think he had a good team this year.....until today.

[Masterofreality]

after today you can move OSU in front of X. Anybody that questions Matta as a coach is clueless.


You do realize that Wisconsin is 1-5 in it's last 6 games?

Why? Because someone had to win a game where both teams were heading to hell in a hand basket? Props, I guess, to Beaknose for winning by 1.

Ohio State was 1-5 going in, Wisconsin was 1-4 and had just lost to Northwestern At Home. I didn't see the game, but a 59-58 game indicates ugliness of the first degree between two teams that are not playing well.

What kind of miracles did Aaron Craft pull off to cause the win?

[ThrowDownDBrown]

So what's your excuse for the win at Iowa MOR? Obviously the assistants put together a great gameplan that the players executed without any help whatsoever from Matta

[XU 87]

Again, did you read my post about assistants and how Big Nose runs his program?

First of all, thank Gawd that Lionel Chalmers stood on his head to rescue a 10-9 season. Before we beat the Borecats on a play that was all Lionel and no Beaknose, that team had utterly quit at GW. I was there, I saw it. Chalmers saved the whole year with his attitude and skill. Secondly, it wasn't like there was No talent on that 2004 team. Sato has been a premier player in Europe as has Doellman. Myles and Chalmers have had long pro careers overseas.



You have to give Matta some credit for turning around that team. He was the head coach after all. And that team could have won it all. Personally, I think he did a spectacular coaching job on that team during the Run. I really don't know how anyone can argue otherwise.

[bleedXblue]

The constant bashing of OSU, UC etc is nauseating. They are both in a much, much better spot than X right now. As much as I cant stand either coach, they clearly have shown that they know how to get it done.

[waggy]

I don't have a problem with Matta. He left his alma mater to come to X, and made it clear when he came he would be off to the B1G as soon as it was available. I think he tried to keep it quiet in case it fell thru.

[vee4xu]

Does anyone have Aaron Craft's stat line from las night readily handy?:cool:

[LA Muskie]

Does anyone have Aaron Craft's stat line from las night readily handy?:cool:

6-7 FG, 2-2 3pt, 1-2 FT for 17 pts, 6 assists, 6 steals, 3 boards, 4 TOs in 39 (of 40) minutes.

[vee4xu]

6-7 FG, 2-2 3pt, 1-2 FT for 17 pts, 6 assists, 6 steals, 3 boards, 4 TOs in 39 (of 40) minutes.

Hmmm. Thanks, LA. Looks like the senior PG was a very big part of a huge road conference win.

[Masterofreality]

So what's your excuse for the win at Iowa MOR? Obviously the assistants put together a great gameplan that the players executed without any help whatsoever from Matta

Because Iowa shot 3-20 from 3 point range....at home.....most of those shots were wide ass open.

Beaknose's pact with Satan continues.

[vee4xu]

Seeing Matta regularly on TV over the past 10 years, I swear his nose has gotten even bigger. Either that or it looks that way as his face sags as he ages. In any event it takes up almost half of his face.

[gladdenguy]

If Ohio State is not good Xavier must suck donkey balls. Ohio State has now won at Wisconsin and Iowa. Xavier has won at Depaul.

[bleedXblue]

Because Iowa shot 3-20 from 3 point range....at home.....most of those shots were wide ass open.

Beaknose's pact with Satan continues.

No one cares what the stat lines are come selection Sunday. All they see is a W @ Iowa

[Masterofreality]

No one cares what the stat lines are come selection Sunday. All they see is a W @ Iowa

And I really don't give a shit about Ohio State. I didn't start this thread so fuck 'em, really.....fuck 'em.

Any future thread about the Luckeyes will be met with the immediate delete button by me.

[bleedXblue]

And I really don't give a shit about Ohio State. I didn't start this thread so fuck 'em, really.....fuck 'em.

Any future thread about the Luckeyes will be met with the immediate delete button by me.

LOL. You responded to this thread 10 times. Not really taking you to task. You hatred is clear. I just dot think the constant bashing makes a lot of sense with the success that they've had and our lack therof the last 2 years.

[xubrew]

If Ohio State is not good Xavier must suck donkey balls. Ohio State has now won at Wisconsin and Iowa. Xavier has won at Depaul.

They've certainly not sucked since I started this thread about how they sucked.

Xavier has certainly never lost to a team as weak as Penn State at home, and then gone out and picked up two monster road wins immediately afterward. Not that I recall, anyway.

[gladdenguy]

How does Mick Cronin have those worthless mongloids playing this good and Xavier is playing to an NIT 5th seed?
Coaching? Watching sUCks be a 1 or 2 seed and us be an NIT team is pathetic. They better get in the ACC or Big 12. I'm gonna be pissed watching them get amazing seeds every year and Xavier get a terrible seed once every 3 years they make the tourney.

[Masterofreality]

How does Mick Cronin have those worthless mongloids playing this good and Xavier is playing to an NIT 5th seed?
Coaching? Watching sUCks be a 1 or 2 seed and us be an NIT team is pathetic. They better get in the ACC or Big 12. I'm gonna be pissed watching them get amazing seeds every year and Xavier get a terrible seed once every 3 years they make the tourney.


Because they're playing in the 8th or 9 rated conference with a bunch of overhyped pieces of crap....

...Which is exactly the same thing Borecat fan used to accuse us of doing.

[bleedXblue]

Because they're playing in the 8th or 9 rated conference with a bunch of overhyped pieces of crap....

...Which is exactly the same thing Borecat fan used to accuse us of doing.

Come on. They've beaten some good teams the last 2-3 weeks.

I don't think we were ever 22-2 in the A10 and ranked as high as they are right now.

As much as I don't like it either, you're better off just not posting anything.

[SlimKibbles]

How does Mick Cronin have those worthless mongloids playing this good and Xavier is playing to an NIT 5th seed?
Coaching? Watching sUCks be a 1 or 2 seed and us be an NIT team is pathetic. They better get in the ACC or Big 12. I'm gonna be pissed watching them get amazing seeds every year and Xavier get a terrible seed once every 3 years they make the tourney.

That's the faith and confidence we like to see out of Xavier fans. Keep up the good work.

[xsteve1]

Come on. They've beaten some good teams the last 2-3 weeks.

I don't think we were ever 22-2 in the A10 and ranked as high as they are right now.

As much as I don't like it either, you're better off just not posting anything.


X did go 15-1 in the A10 but were never able to get ranked that high because they played a tough OOC schedule something UC hasn't done.

[Burrcats]

Because they're playing in the 8th or 9 rated conference with a bunch of overhyped pieces of crap....

...Which is exactly the same thing Borecat fan used to accuse us of doing.

Right...Cincinnati has a neutral site win over top 25 Pittsburgh, road wins over ranked Louisville and ranked Memphis and now a home win over ranked UConn. If you also throw in the win over SMU (receiving votes), Cincinnati has 5 wins over tournament teams and is 4-0 vs teams currently in the AP top 25. How many times did the A10 have 4 ranked teams + an addition team receiving votes? That is an honest question, I truly don't know.

[Burrcats]

X did go 15-1 in the A10 but were never able to get ranked that high because they played a tough OOC schedule something UC hasn't done.

The last time Xavier went 15-1 in the A10, they played ONE team that was ranked at the time and that was a 66-46 lost to #24 Cincinnati. Florida also was ranked that season but Xavier lost to them at home as well. 3 teams from that A-10 made the NCAA tournament and the third, Richmond, only made it by winning the automatic bid. Completely different leagues...

[Masterofreality]

The last time Xavier went 15-1 in the A10, they played ONE team that was ranked at the time and that was a 66-46 lost to #24 Cincinnati......... Completely differerent leagues..

Yeah, 64-47. And.....yeah, they ARE completely different leagues.
The AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC is rated 2 spots Below the Atlantic 10 in the computer ratings this year. It's no where near as good. Congrats on being in first place in the Horizon League but your media idiots keep propping you up.

Turn your logic around this year. Still tell me who the Borecats have beaten. Louisville hasn't beaten a ranked team. Memphis has one respectable OOC win over OK St when Marcus Smart was sick. Pitt played no one in OOC and hasn't beaten anyone respectable either. The AAAAAAAAAAAC is the biggest cluster f$&@#ck ever foisted upon mankind.

Charlatans.......all.

[gladdenguy]

And the AAC will get more bids than the Big East this year. Also, sUCks has gone on the road and beaten Louisville and Memphis.
Xavier has 2 wins against road opponents the entire year and both teams have losing records (Depaul 10-13, Alabama 9-13). Raise your hand if you think they will beat Marquette and Butler on the road next week. Not happening. They will be lucky to get one. This March is gonna be brutal if you love Xavier and despise sUCks.

[GoMuskies]

Clearly Ohio State is awesome. What was 'brew thinking when putting this thread together?!?

[bleedXblue]

I think you have to look at the big picture. Its taken UC and Mick 8 years to get to this point. I do think they take a step back next year. I don't see them replacing SK and JJ easily.

Mack is in year 5 I believe. I think there's greater than a 50% chance we miss the tourney this year unless we somehow turn this thing around. I was not expecting an NCAA birth this year......it would have been a nice bonus considering the depletion of the roster the last year and all of the newcomers this year.

Either way, next year is huge for Mack and X. They must get back to the tourney. 3 misses in a row would be a clear indication that the program is not headed in the right direction.

I guess I'm saying that regardless of what happened last year (with Lyons and Wells), you cant get complacent and use that as an excuse for not getting things done. Does your workplace give you a pass for non performance or not meeting goals and expectations? I highly doubt it.

[casualfan]

I think you have to look at the big picture. Its taken UC and Mick 8 years to get to this point. I do think they take a step back next year. I don't see them replacing SK and JJ easily.

Mack is in year 5 I believe. I think there's greater than a 50% chance we miss the tourney this year unless we somehow turn this thing around. I was not expecting an NCAA birth this year......it would have been a nice bonus considering the depletion of the roster the last year and all of the newcomers this year.

Either way, next year is huge for Mack and X. They must get back to the tourney. 3 misses in a row would be a clear indication that the program is not headed in the right direction.

I guess I'm saying that regardless of what happened last year (with Lyons and Wells), you cant get complacent and use that as an excuse for not getting things done. Does your workplace give you a pass for non performance or not meeting goals and expectations? I highly doubt it.

You can't compare the situations though. When Mick took over he did it in the old big east with a roster that consisted of one returning scholarship player.

When Mack took over he did it in the A10 with a full roster that included Mark Lyons and Tu Holloway.

Given the situation he inherited it was always going to take UC awhile to get things back rolling. You are correct it has taken them 8 years to do it, but the first 3 or 4 years they had no chance. I mean I remember watching Conner Barwin trying to guard Greg Oden and just laughing my ass off.

The key for them is that since Mick took over he has either maintained or they have gotten better seemingly every year.

If it takes us 8 years into Mack's tenure to get things back rolling again I'll be very disappointed given what he inherited.

[bleedXblue]

You can't compare the situations though. When Mick took over he did it in the old big east with a roster that consisted of one returning scholarship player.

When Mack took over he did it in the A10 with a full roster that included Mark Lyons and Tu Holloway.

Given the situation he inherited it was always going to take UC awhile to get things back rolling. You are correct it has taken them 8 years to do it, but the first 3 or 4 years they had no chance. I mean I remember watching Conner Barwin trying to guard Greg Oden and just laughing my ass off.

The key for them is that since Mick took over he has either maintained or they have gotten better seemingly every year.

If it takes us 8 years into Mack's tenure to get things back rolling again I'll be very disappointed given what he inherited.

Exactly......thats why Im pretty much saying that in year 6, if Mack misses the tourney 3 years in a row, we should all be very concerned.......and yes I know I'm getting a little ahead of things. I've not given up on this year yet.

[larkinforever]

Yeah, 64-47. And.....yeah, they ARE completely different leagues.
The AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC is rated 2 spots Below the Atlantic 10 in the computer ratings this year. It's no where near as good. Congrats on being in first place in the Horizon League but your media idiots keep propping you up.

Turn your logic around this year. Still tell me who the Borecats have beaten. Louisville hasn't beaten a ranked team. Memphis has one respectable OOC win over OK St when Marcus Smart was sick. Pitt played no one in OOC and hasn't beaten anyone respectable either. The AAAAAAAAAAAC is the biggest cluster f$&@#ck ever foisted upon mankind.

Charlatans.......all.

with respect...
this post makes you look a bit foolish

[Juice]

with respect...
this post makes you look a bit foolish

Why ? Pitt, Memphis, L'vill, and SMU are all ranked without any substance to their record. They don't have losses but they also haven't played/beaten anyone. And this isn't an XU vs. them argument, just a general observation about their wins and losses.

[casualfan]

Exactly......thats why Im pretty much saying that in year 6, if Mack misses the tourney 3 years in a row, we should all be very concerned.......and yes I know I'm getting a little ahead of things. I've not given up on this year yet.

Ok, I'm totally with ya now. Sorry.

[Burrcats]

Yeah, 64-47. And.....yeah, they ARE completely different leagues.
The AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC is rated 2 spots Below the Atlantic 10 in the computer ratings this year. It's no where near as good. Congrats on being in first place in the Horizon League but your media idiots keep propping you up.

Turn your logic around this year. Still tell me who the Borecats have beaten. Louisville hasn't beaten a ranked team. Memphis has one respectable OOC win over OK St when Marcus Smart was sick. Pitt played no one in OOC and hasn't beaten anyone respectable either. The AAAAAAAAAAAC is the biggest cluster f$&@#ck ever foisted upon mankind.

Charlatans.......all.

Sure, spin it any way you want. I don't think I've ever seen a fanbase (or in this case one fan) so obsessed over the results of one game. I would be more concerned about your coach and your team. He had a very good first year because Miller left a stacked roster. Year two wasn't so great but they did make the tournament and got blown off the floor in round one. The third year was up and down and you got lucky that a 15 seed took out a 2 seed and got to the Sweet 16. Fourth year, no postseason. This year, things are getting a bid hairy as to if you'll make the tournament. Chris Mack, to this outsider, looks like he is slowly deteriorating the program. Then again you do have a very good recruiting class coming in, so who knows?

[Masterofreality]

with respect...
this post makes you look a bit foolish

Really? It's all facts. AAAAAAAAAAAAC - 8th or 9th rated league depending on the service. Below the A-10 and below the Horriffic SEC.

Next I'm sure you'll tell me that Josh Pastner is a Hall of Fame coach....because he is a media buddy and goes on every show imaginable.

[Masterofreality]

The last time Xavier went 15-1 in the A10, they played ONE team that was ranked at the time and that was a 66-46 lost to #24 Cincinnati. .


Sure, spin it any way you want. I don't think I've ever seen a fanbase (or in this case one fan) so obsessed over the results of one game. I would be more concerned about your coach and your team?

Hmmm. Pot meet kettle. And....who exactly is on his rival's site emptily pontificating? I don't even know where there is a Borecat message board to visit....nor do I care. EVER.

[paulxu]

OSU 48
Illinois 39

OSU 60
Illinois 35

Can you guess which one is the football score?

[Retire33]

OSU swept by Penn St for first time since 1997-98.

[Xman95]

Personally I never thought much of Matta as a coach. good recruiter, like John Cooper, but I do not think he is that great of a coach.

Yup.

[bobbiemcgee]

Dukies beat SLU on road

[waggy]

Dukies beat SLU on road


I just blazed past this, and actually exited the thread. Then I was like, wait wha? Amazing.

X lost to the Dukies right before The Run. That was on the road though, wasn't it?

[xubball1993]

If I recall, the Dookies ended out 2004 Run with help from the refs who fouled out Anthony Myles on two highly ticky-tack calls. Duke could not stop Myles.

[Masterofreality]

I just blazed past this, and actually exited the thread. Then I was like, wait wha? Amazing.

X lost to the Dukies right before The Run. That was on the road though, wasn't it?

No. We actually lost to them at home and it was during the Run. The only loss we sustained until the Duke game in Atlanta. We'd actually won 7 in a row before that loss. Dookcane was always a pain in the ass. Played like World beaters against us and like dooky against everybody else.

[Masterofreality]

Oh, and by the way...Penn State sweeps the Luckeyes. 65-63 in State College.

[ammtd34]

If I recall, the Dookies ended out 2004 Run with help from the refs who fouled out Anthony Myles on two highly ticky-tack calls. Duke could not stop Myles.

And changing Luol Deng's 4th foul to someone else after a brief convo with Coach K.

[Xman95]

And changing Luol Deng's 4th foul to someone else after a brief convo with Coach K.

And, if memory serves me correctly, Matta was too preoccupied after Myles picked up foul #4 to get him out of the game (at least to give the big fella a quick mental break). Myles picked up #5 shortly after.

[X Factor]

And OSU loses again at Indiana. Aaron Craft is the most overrated point guard in America. OSU falls to 9-8 in the Big10.

Not impressed with either team.

[GoMuskies]

We could definitely see them in a 7/10 or 8/9 game.

[Masterofreality]

We could definitely see them in a 7/10 or 8/9 game.

I would love that.

[xu82]

And changing Luol Deng's 4th foul to someone else after a brief convo with Coach K.

Are you implying that Coach K has some influence with the ref's? My, that doesn't seem right. I try to stay positive and not bash kids playing a game, but I am sick of his snide schtick. I wish he'd retire or just go sit on a throne somewhere and shut up!

[Filthy Conservative]

Ohio is 2-6 in football and basketball in the year 2014. This year is starting out awesome. F--k that school.

9 of 10...but then I guess you don't see the games do to your nervous disposition.

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[The_Mack_Pack]

Laquinton Ross just declared for the draft so OSU could be really not good next season.