Butler 2013

[Buck Futler]

Happy Zipping Up of another year, Xavier fans. 2013 wasn't the best of years to be an involved Muskie onlooker, but just like anything else the silver lining is never too hard to find - unless your mascot is a Bulldog.

Think about it; X landed its best recruiting class in the history of the school, we terrorized UC once again, and who could forget my personal favorite - Brad Stevens left his spot atop the most detestable abhorrence of a program that has ever tainted college basketball. Though he's gone and escaped Xavier for good, I still laugh at the fact that Brad Stevens has to smile and build up the confidence of our very own JC #55 (#27).

The definition of a rivalry in my eyes is when it pains a fan of one team to see the other team win - even if you aren't playing each other. Since that fateful day in 2009, my life was forever changed when I watched my first ever Xavier game in person - at Butler. The reasoning behind my disparity is not what you think. At the time, I was a Xavier student - but a basketball apostle. This is the only day of my life where I feel for a split second each time, that life wasn't exact, perfect, omnipotent. I was scarred and tormented to the smoky pits of the underworld for what the screaming Butler fans did to me as I walked out of Hinkle, defeated, deflated, a loser*. The screams and cheers of the Butler faithful resonated as an alien world to me; signaling to a world of untapped cruelty and injustice. Words cannot describe the agony, anguish, and searing hatred I had seeing the cheaters of my beloved game tap dance their way to the national stage.

For that, not for ruining my game, not for ruining Xavier's game, but for destroying, destructing, raping, and pillaging the game that millions of people in this world love - that is why I hate Butler. The 1.2 second grudge that I hold against the school is the same 1.2 seconds that the whole world wants to get back.

We had better Zip Butler up before I zip myself up. I HATE BUTLER.


Seeing Butler and the dawgs suffer always elates me, and for my hatred of them both hell surely awaits me.


Until next year,


Uncle Buck

[gladdenguy]

I was at Hinkle that day as well. I swear though....the time from when that Gordon Gaywad shot until I was on I-74 was a blur to me. It was as if I was blacked out. Horrible feeling. I will never go back to that dump.

We need to stick on Dunham,,,,Semaj gonna guard him?
We should dominate down low.
Come on Muskies.....2-0 in the Big East.

[ammtd34]

Strange post.

Regardless, I would think Semaj would be matched up with Dunham. That's a heck of a matchup for him defensively. Offensively, though, I'm not sure they have anyone able to stay in front of Semaj. Hell, St. Johns didn't and that's as athletic of a team as we're probably going to see.

[floorsweeper]

You guys are so stupid it amazes me. You do realize even if the time were left on the clock X would have had to sink a three quarter court shot with less than two seconds remaining. Yeah that was going to happen and Butler orchestrated a screw job to fend off that obvious inevitability. I know it hurts X's self anointed status as a power program but get real and grow up.

By the way you do have a "cute little program".

[More Cowbell]

If I recall correctly, the clock stopped and gave Butler just enough time to get off one last shot.

[powerofX]

If I recall correctly, the clock stopped and gave Butler just enough time to get off one last shot.

What amazes me is floorsweepers lack of understanding. Cowbell is right. The argument wasn't that more time should have been added so X takes a last second heave, it was that there wasnt time left for Butler to even get their shot off.

[floorsweeper]

If I recall correctly, the clock stopped and gave Butler just enough time to get off one last shot.

No you don't recall correctly, which isn't surprising....................You also don't recall the refs followed the exact procedure outlined in the rule book for the situation. But hey why ruin a good excuse to tear up the locker room and verbally confront fans and officials.

[XUOHTX]

What amazes me is floorsweepers lack of understanding. Cowbell is right. The argument wasn't that more time should have been added so X takes a last second heave, it was that there wasnt time left for Butler to even get their shot off.

We clearly lost that game guys with our without the clock malfunction. The fact that it happened is annoying and we can make fun of Butler for it, but it didn't decide the game. See the video for proof.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VeanV6lA-M

[nuts4xu]

We will make Butler the proverbial water fountain this Saturday. Much like we did to the fountain in Hinkle FH, we will tear down the dreams of the bulldogs this season by starting them off 0-2 in conference play.

I hope we blow the fuckers out...

[floorsweeper]

What amazes me is floorsweepers lack of understanding. Cowbell is right. The argument wasn't that more time should have been added so X takes a last second heave, it was that there wasnt time left for Butler to even get their shot off.


No dumbass, that was never in question. The stop watch and several impartial post game analytics all arrived at the same conclusion, the shot was in the air with time remaining. Now go back to being clueless.

If you want to blame someone blame goofball Jordan Crawford for laying on the baseline watching instead of getting up and defending the goal.

[kyxu]

I really wasn't as mad about the clock malfunction in that game as I was about Gordon Hayward's obvious reach-in on Mark Lyons being called a "jump ball", possession Butler. That was pivotal, then again, Lyons should not have picked up his dribble in such a terrible spot.

What also hurt was allowing Butler multiple offensive rebounds on the possession where they scored the winning bucket. Let's face it, Xavier did itself no favors in the final moments of this game.

[bleedXblue]

I recall there being multiple shot clock/time clock issues that day. Not just one. Bush League on Butlers part. How hard is it to have a proper functioning clock?

Yes, the Hayward reach in that was called a jump ball was a joke.

We got homered no doubt.

But hey, that happens........it just really hurts when its your little brother giving you the business.

[Muskied]

I know it hurts X's self anointed status as a power program but get real and grow up.

By the way you do have a "cute little program".

Trevon Bluiett and JP Macura agree with you.

Oh, and it's not self appointed. A power conference actually voted to add Xavier and Butler to their league, so I'm pretty sure that makes it official...they are power programs.

You're not going to tell me next that we named our street "Victory Parkway" after "The Butler Way" are you? Talk about self anointed....

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I recall their being multiple shot clock/time clock issues that day. Not just one. Bush League on Butlers part. How hard is it to have a proper functioning clock?

Yes, the Hayward reach in that was called a jump ball was a joke.

We got homered no doubt.

But hey, that happens........it just really hurts when its your little brother giving you the business.

AKA Hinkle Magic...getting homered isn't magic.

[floorsweeper]

"I recall there being multiple shot clock/time clock issues that day. Not just one. Bush League on Butlers part. How hard is it to have a proper functioning clock?"

Really I don't remember that. However I remember there being a clock issue at Xavier the following week.

[RealDeal]

I really think butler fans are going to enjoy watching Bluiett and Macura in the coming years. They look to be pretty good.

[xukeith]

I remember after that game so angry at Kenny Frease for not holding onto a rebound.
He let it pop out of his 7 foot hands and Butler won the game. Darn giant!

[floorsweeper]

"A power conference actually voted to add Xavier and Butler to their league, so I'm pretty sure that makes it official...they are power programs."

Yet when X was in the A-10 you argued conference affiliation wasn't a determining factor.

Later guys........................

[RealDeal]

"A power conference actually voted to add Xavier and Butler to their league, so I'm pretty sure that makes it official...they are power programs."

Yet when X was in the A-10 you argued conference affiliation wasn't a determining factor.

Later guys........................

Is it so hard to use the "reply with quote" button?

[GoMuskies]

I always thought conference affiliation was a determining factor. I just always thought the A-10 was a major conference.

[xudash]

No dumbass, that was never in question. The stop watch and several impartial post game analytics all arrived at the same conclusion, the shot was in the air with time remaining. Now go back to being clueless.

If you want to blame someone blame goofball Jordan Crawford for laying on the baseline watching instead of getting up and defending the goal.

This is directed to the moderators.

This classless individual is calling people "dumb-ass" and stupid, etc. on this board. This is a Xavier message board. I really don't need to come to this sight to read the drivel of an insecure fan of another program. Please either PM him to clean it up or ban him.

This poster is like a yapping Chiwawa: insignificant, boorish and - like his favorite program - very small.

[Titanxman04]

This is directed to the moderators.

This classless individual is calling people "dumb-ass" and stupid, etc. on this board. This is a Xavier message board. I really don't need to come to this sight to read the drivel of an insecure fan of another program. Please either PM him to clean it up or ban him.

This poster is like a yapping Chiwawa: insignificant, boorish and - like his favorite program - very small.

This.

[Smails]

This is directed to the moderators.

This classless individual is calling people "dumb-ass" and stupid, etc. on this board. This is a Xavier message board. I really don't need to come to this sight to read the drivel of an insecure fan of another program. Please either PM him to clean it up or ban him.

This poster is like a yapping Chiwawa: insignificant, boorish and - like his favorite program - very small.

I second Dash's post here. It would be great to have some decent banter with other fans, but this dolt has proven that he's incapable of any kind of discourse that isn't draped with slow-witted personal attacks. I would be in favor of throwing that little black line right through his name. He literally brings nothing to this board and I would imagine society in general.

[blobfan]

This is directed to the moderators.

This classless individual is calling people "dumb-ass" and stupid, etc. on this board. This is a Xavier message board. I really don't need to come to this sight to read the drivel of an insecure fan of another program. Please either PM him to clean it up or ban him.

This poster is like a yapping Chiwawa: insignificant, boorish and - like his favorite program - very small.

Agreed. I've had him in block for some time but can't avoid seeing him when he's quoted in other posts and he continues to bring nothing. It's one thing to fling names in the smack forum but we should have a modicum of decorum in other forums.

[smileyy]

Didn't Hayward travel, too? He was on the ground, got up, and laid the ball in, without a dribble.

[bleedXblue]

"I recall there being multiple shot clock/time clock issues that day. Not just one. Bush League on Butlers part. How hard is it to have a proper functioning clock?"

Really I don't remember that. However I remember there being a clock issue at Xavier the following week.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/blog/_/name/katz_andy/id/4761888/ncaa-coordinator-officials-explains-xu-butler-controversy

Click and read. Funny how you forget about issues that your own program had (as reported by several media outlets) and reference one that Xavier may have had. You need to go away and get a life pal.

[floorsweeper]

This is directed to the moderators.

This classless individual is calling people "dumb-ass" and stupid, etc. on this board. This is a Xavier message board. I really don't need to come to this sight to read the drivel of an insecure fan of another program. Please either PM him to clean it up or ban him.

This poster is like a yapping Chiwawa: insignificant, boorish and - like his favorite program - very small.

Oh stop with the phony outrage. No one is buying it. This is a sports message board, not your daughters preschool class. Get some perspective.

I love it. You clowns post a bunch of completely inaccurate nonsense, yet I am a problem for using the term "dumbass". Blobfan will likely go drop a bunch of drunken F_bombs during kids day at Cintas this weekend. Sheesh.......................You guys are ridiculous. XUDash, you must sit around all day just waiting for something to be offended by, and you have the nerve to label me boorish.

[ammtd34]

Oh stop with the phony outrage. No one is buying it. This is a sports message board, not your daughters preschool class. Get some perspective.

I love it. You clowns post a bunch of completely inaccurate nonsense, yet I am a problem for using the term "dumbass". Now go drop a bunch of F_bombs during children's day at Cintas this weekend. Sheesh.......................You are ridiculous. You must sit around all day just waiting for something to label offensive, and you call me boorish.

You're not offensive. You're just boring and predictable.

[RoseyMuskie]

I was also in attendance at the 09 debacle.

Correct me if I'm mistaken, but didn't the clock stop with about a 40 seconds when Mack or Nored was bringing up the ball (right before the Sportscenter clip posted here began)? So the net effect of both stoppages should have been that Hayward had no time.

I know the clip for the final ten minutes is out there, but I don't feel like subjecting myself to that misery again.

In terms of harassment at an opposing venue, that day ranks as a Top 3 experience for me (X @ UD, Packers/Bears - Pack fan at Soldier Field).

I'll end on a funny note, however. When we played at Butler in 2011, my group decided to wait to buy tickets, because quite frankly, Butler's attendance is rather pathetic. My buddy jokingly went to the Ticket Office at Hinkle and asked if they had any free tickets. Shockingly, the vendor said yes and gave us two free tickets. Now I'm sure some season ticket holder told the vendor just to give his/her unused tickets away, but I can now say that Butler gave tickets away for free to Xavier fans just to fill the place.

[Muskied]

"A power conference actually voted to add Xavier and Butler to their league, so I'm pretty sure that makes it official...they are power programs."

Yet when X was in the A-10 you argued conference affiliation wasn't a determining factor.

Later guys........................

I'm confused, are you talking about what Xavier fans say today, or what we said 5 years ago, or what we said 15 years ago, or what we said when it's convenient for your argument. Because in 1985 Xavier beat Butler by 22 at home and by 25 at Hinkle...and I remember some old guy who came with the building called Xavier jerks.

By the way, can you do me a favor and find out who painted the mural behind Butler's student section? I want Xavier to call them to make it seem like more than 10,500 are at our game this weekend....looks better for TV that way.

[vee4xu]

Oh stop with the phony outrage. No one is buying it. This is a sports message board, not your daughters preschool class. Get some perspective.

I love it. You clowns post a bunch of completely inaccurate nonsense, yet I am a problem for using the term "dumbass". Blobfan will likely go drop a bunch of drunken F_bombs during kids day at Cintas this weekend. Sheesh.......................You guys are ridiculous. XUDash, you must sit around all day just waiting for something to be offended by, and you have the nerve to label me boorish.


To paraphrase the late-great Senator Lloyd Benson, I know XUDash. XUDash is a friend of mine. And floorsweeper, you are no XUDash. I am not going to get into the whatfor's and whereto's of that 2009 game at Butler. But, I've know Dash since 1974 as classmate and friend and will say this; Dash is a successful entrepreneur, a level-headed, smart guy who you can only hope to remotely emulate in any positive way, floorsweeper. In fact, with your name you should contact Dash and ask him if he needs his floors swept. My hunch is that he pays handsomely. Now, go get your shinebox!

[floorsweeper]

"who you can only hope to remotely emulate in any positive way,"

Yeah boy that's a real complement. He must be happy you have his back.

[vee4xu]

"who you can only hope to remotely emulate in any positive way,"

Yeah boy that's a real complement. He must be happy you have his back.

Yep, and you have proven that you can't even tell my comment is more about you being a dolt than anything negative about Dash.

[X-band '01]

I really wasn't as mad about the clock malfunction in that game as I was about Gordon Hayward's obvious reach-in on Mark Lyons being called a "jump ball", possession Butler. That was pivotal, then again, Lyons should not have picked up his dribble in such a terrible spot.

What also hurt was allowing Butler multiple offensive rebounds on the possession where they scored the winning bucket. Let's face it, Xavier did itself no favors in the final moments of this game.

If you go back to that play in question, listen to what Bob Knight (who was doing commentary that day) says about Lyons. It's not just Lyons taking the ball in a bad spot, he ran parallel to the baseline trying to avoid a foul. He never advanced the ball on that play and left himself open to having that called a tie-up.

But that's past history now. Butler has modern clocks and a new drinking fountain, but we'll worry about that when X goes back up to Indy later this year.

[Ledgewood]

Butler is stupid and dumb.

[paulxu]

But that's past history now. Butler has modern clocks

The only reason they have modern clocks is because they joined the A10 and were forced to do it as our old league mandated 21st century timepieces.

I think they're still using the same old floorsweeping equipment though.

[Muskie in dayton]

No you don't recall correctly, which isn't surprising....................You also don't recall the refs followed the exact procedure outlined in the rule book for the situation. But hey why ruin a good excuse to tear up the locker room and verbally confront fans and officials.

The problem is that the clock stoppage happened well before Butler got the ball up the floor for the final shot. Both teams were relying on what that clock showed as Butler setup its offense, ran the play, and took the shot. Then suddenly the refs go back and audit the clock and decide the game was over. If the "shoe were on the other foot" and they decided that shot was taken after the "real" time expired, I think you'd agree with what a bunch of BS this is.

Heck, if you're going to go back and audit the last 30 seconds of clock time, why not go back and do full clock audit at the end of every game. Start at opening tip, and every time the clock stopped 0.5 seconds too soon, or was delayed 1.4 seconds in restarting, add those times and adjust the time. If that shaved 19 seconds, sorry, all the events of the final 19 seconds don't count. If it adds 12 seconds, bring the teams back on the court!

As to the locker room damage, don’t take it personally. I can tell you several objects in my basement suffered the same fate as that water fountain after watching that little gem.

[xu82]

I get it.... but please try not to get sucked in.... ignore and move on. It's really for the best.

[LadyMuskie]

Fare thee well floorsweeper. You lasted longer than I thought you would.

[XUFan09]

Fare thee well floorsweeper. You lasted longer than I thought you would.

Oh, he got banned? I already had him on "ignore." I like hearing from opposing fans, even the ones that can be regularly disagreeable, but he was just a douche. Long overdue removal from this board.

[X-man]

I really wasn't as mad about the clock malfunction in that game as I was about Gordon Hayward's obvious reach-in on Mark Lyons being called a "jump ball", possession Butler. That was pivotal, then again, Lyons should not have picked up his dribble in such a terrible spot.

What also hurt was allowing Butler multiple offensive rebounds on the possession where they scored the winning bucket. Let's face it, Xavier did itself no favors in the final moments of this game.

That was the problem with that finish; that "tie-up" was a foul, and would have been called so in every other arena but the dump called Hinkle in the country. But that disinction is, no doubt, too fine a line for our poor banned Butler fan to understand. At least he is smart enough to have a board name that describes his job.

[Irishdawg]

Not sure if this was intentional or not, but kudos to Buck Futler for his avatar picture of the guy who was doing color commentary for the infamous clockgate game. Also, I for one appreciate the Xavier players for taking the initiative to start the Hinkle renovations early. Normally you have to pay union guys an arm and a leg to do something simple like that.

I was at the game as well, definitely a tough way to end what was otherwise a great contest.

Hoping for a Butler win Saturday, but definitely not banking on it. Cintas has been a really tough place for the Dawgs to win.

[SpectorJersey]

Why would you ban that butler fan? He was making it fun. An opposing fan spending that a lot of time on a rivals message board and mocking the fans is hilarious.

Never understood the hate for Butler, I was there at the game, I was ticked but sometimes the ball doesnt bounce your way. Butler is a good rival, they win on a consistent basis and have a good program. Unlike our former rival who had pe**s envy for X and hang their hat on their dumpy sold out arena!

Also lost in that 09 game was Howard mauling Love at the end and taking him to the ground, any other time in a game that is a foul. All in all fans need to get over that game. X has been on the right side of a lot of close games, move on.

[GoMuskies]

The sweeper definitely earned the ban hammer.

[Muskie]

Just seven days and the he can come back.


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[XUOHTX]

I don't blame him for coming here. I went to the Butler forum from the footer and that place is empty.

[Xavier]

Never understood the hate for Butler, I was there at the game, I was ticked but sometimes the ball doesnt bounce your way. Butler is a good rival, they win on a consistent basis and have a good program. Unlike our former rival who had pe**s envy for X and hang their hat on their dumpy sold out arena!

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I don't hate Butler. And for that reason, I don't really consider them a rival.

[GoMuskies]

I don't hate Butler either. I do, however, hate floorsweeper.

[ammtd34]

Unlike our former rival who had pe**s envy for X and hang their hat on their dumpy sold out arena!


I was at a game at the dump two years ago. They made an announcement after the game that it was the 100th sellout in the building's history. For as much as they brag about supporting their program, I wouldn't have thought it would take over 40 years to sell it out 100 times.

[floorsweeperreturns]

Why would you ban that butler fan? He was making it fun. An opposing fan spending that a lot of time on a rivals message board and mocking the fans is hilarious.

Never understood the hate for Butler, I was there at the game, I was ticked but sometimes the ball doesnt bounce your way. Butler is a good rival, they win on a consistent basis and have a good program. Unlike our former rival who had pe**s envy for X and hang their hat on their dumpy sold out arena!

Also lost in that 09 game was Howard mauling Love at the end and taking him to the ground, any other time in a game that is a foul. All in all fans need to get over that game. X has been on the right side of a lot of close games, move on.A level headed post, thank you.

[GoMuskies]

A level headed post, thank you.

Someone's ban is clearly getting extended.

[Milhouse]

I don't blame him for coming here. I went to the Butler forum from the footer and that place is empty.

So you're saying it's just like Hinkle?



ZING

[floorsweeperreturns]

"Someone's ban is clearly getting extended."

So complimenting a poster gets one banned around these parts?

[GoMuskies]

"Someone's ban is clearly getting extended."

So complimenting a poster gets one banned around these parts?

Life is just so hard, you know?

[Cheesehead]

Where is Floorsweeper now? Oh and scoreboard, clown.

[Milhouse]

Pretty sure I saw floorsweep at the game.

Bigger dude in the lowerbowl with a big frown on his face in the Andrew Luck Jersey.

[bleedXblue]

http://www.bigeast.com/ot/bige-13-standings.html

Two things great about this.

We are tied for first at the top and Butler is 0-3 at the bottom.

[X-band '01]

Just from a home/away perspective, Butler is -2 already. Maybe there was something to them being picked 9th after all.

St. John's is also winless, but they finally get a home game tomorrow against Villanova. That game could go either way.

[Nildogg]

Losing to Depaul, and the way we did was terrible. There's a real problem with the way we have failed to close out games (including wins) this year. I'm not as upset about losing to Villanova, and to you guys at your place. The 0-3 thing is tough, but I'm not throwing in the cards just yet. This team is definitely heavily riding the back of Dunham and has some serious deficiencies with guard play and our post defense... It will likely get much uglier before it gets any better.

On the same token your 3-0 record, all at home vs. St. John, BU and Marquette is nice for sure, but not the same level of difficulty. That said, I do think you are better suited to do some damage with your size, and Samaj's talent.

I just hope we can win against G'town tomorrow; will be a strange environment even though its a sellout, with the Colts game going on at the same time. Its going to be a sellout by game time (100 seats or so left yesterday) but I bet there will be a bit less engaged crowd unless its a close game.

The snow storm conditions that shut the city down all week kept the crowd away against Depaul, and it was dead for most of the game, including the OT. I believe this had an impact on the sleepy play by the team as well...

:cool:

[XUFan09]

With the way Butler has played to their opponents this entire season, they were bound to pick up a bad loss and were lucky it didn't happen sooner. Of course, they also are bound to pick up a good win and are unlucky that it hasn't happened yet.

[xumuskies08]

0-4...goodness gracious. 0-3 at home with losses to DePaul and an undermanned Georgetown. Not good.

[XU '11]

0-4...goodness gracious. 0-3 at home with losses to DePaul and an undermanned Georgetown. Not good.

Really bad loss. Josh Smith is still out for academic reasons. Jabril Trawick (4th most minutes on the team) didn't play due to injury. Nate Lubick (3rd most minutes) was limited to 16 minutes and fouled out with 4:12 to go. Mikael Hopkins fouled out with 0:48 left in regulation. Moses Ayegba fouled out with 3:19 left in regulation.

Georgetown played the entire overtime period with only 5 players, one of which was averaging 2.9 min/game before today.

And Butler still managed to lose. Ouch.

[Cheesehead]

Make that soon to be 0-5. Getting absolutely thumped by Creighton in Omaha. Up 29 at the half!

Bluejays shot 68% in the first half. Wtf? mcDermott has 24 already.