Georgetown

[BMoreX]

I know they're playing DePaul, but the Verizon Center is pretty empty. Does Georgetown usually have good attendance figures?

[powerofX]

I know they're playing DePaul, but the Verizon Center is pretty empty. Does Georgetown usually have good attendance figures?

Not sure. But bought a suite for our game in feb on stubhub for 250!

[BMoreX]

Georgetown up 29-25 at half.

Bowen had a crazy buzzer beater 3 to end the first.

[hoyahooligan]

I know they're playing DePaul, but the Verizon Center is pretty empty. Does Georgetown usually have good attendance figures?

Depends on what your metric is.

The Hoyas have average usually between 10-13,000 people a game during JT3's tenure, which puts them in the top 35 of college basketball attendance. But we play in the 7th largest arena in D1. So if we average 13,000 a game which was the best we ever got to back in 07-08 and 08-09 that still leaves 7,060 empty seats.

We rarely sell out games. Basically takes a ranked Georgetown team playing a ranked Duke or Syracuse team to sell out.

[xubrew]

Depends on what your metric is.

The Hoyas have average usually between 10-13,000 people a game during JT3's tenure, which puts them in the top 35 of college basketball attendance. But we play in the 7th largest arena in D1. So if we average 13,000 a game which was the best we ever got to back in 07-08 and 08-09 that still leaves 7,060 empty seats.

We rarely sell out games. Basically takes a ranked Georgetown team playing a ranked Duke or Syracuse team to sell out.

Hi HoyaHooligan,

Speaking of Syracuse, I understand that you guys signed a ten year deal with them. Is that series going to be home-and-home, or will they all be in MSG??

[hoyahooligan]

Hi HoyaHooligan,

Speaking of Syracuse, I understand that you guys signed a ten year deal with them. Is that series going to be home-and-home, or will they all be in MSG??

I don't believe it has been finalized yet. I'm sure it will get done eventually, but not positive on the terms. It'll either be straight home in home or home - home- MSG. Not sure how that works with 10 years, maybe have the last two both in the garden so 3 at Georgetown 3 @ the dome and 4 in MSG. I'd prefer straight home and home, but I don't call the shots.

[BMoreX]

Friars by 13!?

12 mins left.

[The_Mack_Pack]

Lost by 18... Wow. I hope that same GTown team shows up at Cintas next week.

[Masterofreality]

Joshua Smith didn't play. Hoyas looked out of sorts.

[The_Mack_Pack]

I hope Smith is allowed to play against Xavier. I really want to see him and Stainbrook going at it.

[XUFan09]

I hope Smith is allowed to play against Xavier. I really want to see him and Stainbrook going at it.

That's a matchup I've been looking forward to since watching Georgetown play Oregon in their first game of the year.

[BMoreX]

I hope Smith is allowed to play against Xavier. I really want to see him and Stainbrook going at it.

Same here.

[waggy]

I would guess Stain plays a lot more minutes than Smith. And would do so despite having a better bench.

[XUFan09]

I would guess Stain plays a lot more minutes than Smith. And would do so despite having a better bench.

I back this prediction. You think Stain is big? Wait until you see Smith next to him.

[GoMuskies]

Why isn't Smith playing? Disciplined for eating one of the walk-ons?

[XUFan09]

Why isn't Smith playing? Disciplined for eating one of the walk-ons?

I can't stop laughing...

[Milhouse]

Apparently it's an academic issue....is it possible he didn't qualify for this semester?

I too wanna see how Stainbrook deals with someone bigger than him. Probably been a while since he's encountered that.

[ballyhoohoo]

Stainbrook and Smith battling in the post will be like two geriatrics having sex: slow and sloppy.

[BMoreX]

I honestly think Stain would handle him pretty easily. I've watched Smith play three or four times.

He can't run. Like, literally cannot run the length of the court. If there's a transition play he will just sit back and wait.

[XUFan09]

Apparently it's an academic issue....is it possible he didn't qualify for this semester?

I too wanna see how Stainbrook deals with someone bigger than him. Probably been a while since he's encountered that.

Gardner is bigger than Stain, so that matchup tonight should be good.

[xubrew]

Apparently it's an academic issue....is it possible he didn't qualify for this semester?

I too wanna see how Stainbrook deals with someone bigger than him. Probably been a while since he's encountered that.

If he didn't qualify, they would have probably known it back in December. Chances are it's an internal academic policy that he didn't meet, or something like that.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Georgetown just lost another player. Jabril Trawick is out indefinitely with a broken jaw.

[Muskie]

Will John Thompson be on the hot seat?

[Masterofreality]

Will John Thompson be on the hot seat?

Not for a long, long time. They tried a "non-Thompson" with Craig Eshrick- and that was a very bad period.

[hoyahooligan]

Will John Thompson be on the hot seat?

I know we've had a bunch of flame outs, but he's no where close to the hot seat. Most schools would kill for the success JT3 has had. He's won over 70% of his games at Georgetown. We have 3 BE regular season titles and a Big East Tournament title as well as a sweet 16 and a Final 4. We've made the NCAA tournament 7/9 years with one of the NIT years being his first year on the job. I wouldn't trade JT3 for anyone. He is an amazing representative for the University.

Georgetown has high standards and is also very tight lipped about the goings on of the program, but it's widely believed that both Greg Whittington's academic suspension last year and Josh smith's this year are/were school suspensions not NCAA ineligibility meaning we could play them if we chose, but we hold our student athletes to certain standards and if those aren't being met then the player doesn't play.

[Retire33]

Any word on Josh Smith playing Wednesday

[hoyahooligan]

Any word on Josh Smith playing Wednesday

not yet.

[The_Mack_Pack]

Any word on Josh Smith playing Wednesday

I like playing teams at full strength but if he's out again then the Hoyas would be without their starting 3 and 5. I really don't see them coming to the 'Tas and stealing a win without Smith. Stainbrook would just be too much for their usual off-the-bench forwards IMO. They did win in Indy without them though so you never know I guess..

[ballyhoohoo]

Any word on Josh Smith playing Wednesday

I think he's still eating

[Masterofreality]

He's been "suspended" which typically means that he can't practice either. If he is cleared to play, he may only be able to play in short spurts due to conditioning.

In any event, I respect GTown for upholding principles, something that was lacking with Mr. Iverson.

[hoyahooligan]

The latest rumors are that it is definitely not season long and that he will be back soon, but probably for the Seton Hall game not the Xavier game. But Hoya Paranoia still reigns on the hilltop so information about the program is hard to come by, although it's a lot better than it was under pops.

[The_Mack_Pack]

Down 11 at home to Seton Hall with 2 minutes left...

[BMoreX]

Just lost to freaking Seton Hall.

[Strange Brew]

Just lost to freaking Seton Hall.

At home.

[kyxu]

Georgetown was 4-18 from three against Seton Hall.

[NY44]

Serious question: Has Semaj blown by DSR? I know DSR was a bigger commit for us than Semaj at the time of their commitments.

[LA Muskie]

Serious question: Has Semaj blown by DSR? I know DSR was a bigger commit for us than Semaj at the time of their commitments.

Serious answer: I think they're both pretty damn good. But my team is on the floor.

[XU 87]

Serious question: Has Semaj blown by DSR? I know DSR was a bigger commit for us than Semaj at the time of their commitments.

At the end, Scout rated Semaj higher than DSR.

[XUFan09]

At the end, Scout rated Semaj higher than DSR.

Yup, Semaj was a low five-star and DSR was a high four-star. I think there was a ten-spot differential or something.

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[BMoreX]

Up 4 on Marq at home. 20 odd seconds left.

[BMoreX]

Now up 1. Hoyas shooting.

Got some lucky calls in the last minute to hold this lead.

[BMoreX]

And we're going to overtime! Mayo with the 3!

Where you at, HoyaParanoia?

[GoMuskies]

Hoyas are in trouble. You know they've got to be tired.

[BMoreX]

Gardner just did his best Tu Holloway impersonation.

[GoMuskies]

Where you at, HoyaParanoia?

Parents' basement in Dayton.

[BMoreX]

Dagger.

[The_Mack_Pack]

They need Smith back badly.

[xavierj]

And we're going to overtime! Mayo with the 3!

Where you at, HoyaParanoia?

Probably hanging with Floorsweeper. Might resurface as supernova. Who knows?

[BMoreX]

Probably hanging with Floorsweeper. Might resurface as supernova. Who knows?

Georgetown hasn't won since he joined XH.

[BMoreX]

3rd straight loss for the Hoyas.

Doesn't get easier...
at Creighton
vs. Villanova
vs. Michigan State

[X-band '01]

The Big East is going to have trouble getting a 4th bid if Georgetown keeps peeing down their legs. Providence, perhaps?

[Masterofreality]

And we're going to overtime! Mayo with the 3!

Where you at, HoyaParanoia?

Doesn't the "Legendary Coaching Family" understand that you should foul when up 3 with less than 8 seconds to go?

I still will never understand how college coaches allow a tying 3 to happen at less than 10 seconds. Never.

[Masterofreality]

Georgetown hasn't won since he joined XH.

Karma.

[HoyaParanoia]

And we're going to overtime! Mayo with the 3!

Where you at, HoyaParanoia?



BMORE--i know you don't follow hoops other than X (so you've never watched the Final Four), but the issues with the Hoya's are quite clear.

We are a 2 man team. We have 2 guards and 2 role players (no one else should ever see significant minutes). We can't finish games. Our guards are gassed trying to carry the squad for all 40. Unfortunately, things are going to get worse before they get better.

[DC Muskie]

BMORE--i know you don't follow hoops other than X (so you've never watched the Final Four), but the issues with the Hoya's are quite clear.

We are a 2 man team. We have 2 guards and 2 role players (no one else should ever see significant minutes). We can't finish games. Our guards are gassed trying to carry the squad for all 40. Unfortunately, things are going to get worse before they get better.

You also run an offense that prevents you from coming back from being down by more than 10 points. You might not know that since you are not actually a Georgetown fan, because they don't actually exist.

[BMoreX]

BMORE--i know you don't follow hoops other than X (so you've never watched the Final Four), but the issues with the Hoya's are quite clear.

We are a 2 man team. We have 2 guards and 2 role players (no one else should ever see significant minutes). We can't finish games. Our guards are gassed trying to carry the squad for all 40. Unfortunately, things are going to get worse before they get better.

This is really interesting Hoya. Because I watched all three Big East games from start to finish yesterday.

You know, if most of your posts were more like your second paragraph than your first (ie no personal shots), no would would have an issue with you here.

Sadly...

[HoyaParanoia]

You also run an offense that prevents you from coming back from being down by more than 10 points. You might not know that since you are not actually a Georgetown fan, because they don't actually exist.

You run a program that doesn't allow you to win more than 3 games in the NCAA tournament.

If you win more than 3, you make the Final Four. You might not know that, since you've never been there.

[Milhouse]

LOL U Mad Bro

[GoMuskies]

Gotta be a Dayton troll.

[HoyaParanoia]

LOL U Mad Bro

of course not. I just wanna know why Xavier hasn't ever made a Final Four. No one seems to have an answer to that.

For an "elite" and "flagship" program such as Xavier, you'd think the trophy case would be more full.

[Smails]

One...trick...pony

He literally has nothing.

[ammtd34]

of course not. I just wanna know why Xavier hasn't ever made a Final Four. No one seems to have an answer to that.

For an "elite" and "flagship" program such as Xavier, you'd think the trophy case would be more full.

What are expecting the answer to be? I would wager that "Not winning an Elite 8 game" is the answer, but I'm not sure what your expectations are. Thank you for bringing this to the forefront. It was an issue we were not aware of.

[HoyaParanoia]

One...trick...pony

He literally has nothing.

Still no answer.

[ammtd34]

Still no answer.

I answered. Since that was all you wanted to know, does that mean you can leave?

[xumuskies08]

of course not. I just wanna know why Xavier hasn't ever made a Final Four. No one seems to have an answer to that.

For an "elite" and "flagship" program such as Xavier, you'd think the trophy case would be more full.

How's sixth place in the sucky New Big East treating you?

Flagship.

[XU 87]

For an "elite" and "flagship" program such as Xavier, you'd think the trophy case would be more full.

Our trophy case is quite full. And as you are now finding out, it's going to get much fuller.

[throwbackmuskie]

I just stumbled into this thread, didn't read it all, but hey hoya they glory days of G'town hoops have passed you bro. You guys have a great history, but is just that right now, history. X is now 5-2 all time vs Gtown. You guys haven't done squat since JT3 took over.

[Lamont Sanford]

Eric "Sleepy" Floyd.

That is all.

[HoyaParanoia]

I just stumbled into this thread, didn't read it all, but hey hoya they glory days of G'town hoops have passed you bro. You guys have a great history, but is just that right now, history. X is now 5-2 all time vs Gtown. You guys haven't done squat since JT3 took over.

JT3 went to a Final Four in 2007.

That is 1 more FF than every coach in Xavier history combined.

[throwbackmuskie]

And they have declined ever since when it comes to MM

Keep living in the past.

And is your last sentence in english? "That is 1 more FF than every coaching in Xavier history combined. "

[ammtd34]

How many times has Chris Mack lost to a team seeded at least 11 places below his team in the tournament?

I wonder if there's a way to find this out. Has any other coach in the history of college basketball lost two tournament games to teams seeded 11 or more places below? If JTIII has any company at all, I'm sure it has to be pretty special.

[blobfan]

Well that's just great. A FF 6 years ago. Congrats that's pretty special. But I think since then X has played in and won several NCAA tourney games than Gtown so forgive us if we are more optimistic about our current teams potential than yours. FFs are nice. I really do want one. But if rather X average a couple tourney wins a year. I think X can manage to do both, though.

Really, 2 tourney wins in 5 years and you think that's worthy of shutting down posters on another teams board? I'm not convinced.

[throwbackmuskie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=6vQpW9XRiyM

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Here you go hoya

[chico]

I really hope Georgetown makes it to the tourney. Not only is it good for the conference, it will be good for my bank account when I bet against them.

[Smails]

Really, 2 tourney wins in 5 years and you think that's worthy of shutting down posters on another teams board? I'm not convinced.

Wow..I really had no clue they had only won 2 NCAA games in the last 5 seasons. We can pretty much call it 6 based on how this season has started.

[DC Muskie]

This guy doesn't know the difference between Victor Page and the Front Page.

[XU 87]

I'm still trying to find out the score of last night's Gtown game.

[Patrick Bateman]

JT3 has come in first place or tied for first in the Big East (with Syracuse/ND/Pitt/UL/Cincy/UConn) in 3 of the past 7 seasons, where Mack, with a smaller sample size, has won the A10 twice in the past 4 years.

Mack has been to 2 sweet sixteens in those 4 years
JT3 has been to one Sweet 16 and a final four

Both are solid coaches. JT3 may get more heat because of the recruiting classes that he has had.

With X and GT playing at least one more time this season (2-22) and possibly twice that 5-2 series lead could be a bit closer with games on the road and at MSG. If GT gets healthy could also form into a pretty decent team by the end of the year.

[ammtd34]

Both are solid coaches. JT3 may get more heat because of the recruiting classes that he has had.



I think JT3 gets more heat for losing to a 14 seed and a 15 seed in the tournament.

[blobfan]

Wow..I really had no clue they had only won 2 NCAA games in the last 5 seasons. We can pretty much call it 6 based on how this season has started.

If ESPN is reporting correctly, and if I'm counting correctly, X has won 9 games in 5 appearances. Gtown has won 2 in 5. Include 2097 and it's 10 in 6 for X and 6 in 6 for Gtown.

Now, that's nothing to look down your nose at. I'm sure many schools would love that record. But it's certainly not superior. How much does a conference tourney win mean if you don't progress in the tourney. How much does a FF mean if you can't sustain that success?

[HoyaParanoia]

How many times has Chris Mack lost to a team seeded at least 11 places below his team in the tournament?

I wonder if there's a way to find this out. Has any other coach in the history of college basketball lost two tournament games to teams seeded 11 or more places below? If JTIII has any company at all, I'm sure it has to be pretty special.

Chris Mack failed to make the NCAA's last year. Also failed making the NIT.

[Patrick Bateman]

I think JT3 gets more heat for losing to a 14 seed and a 15 seed in the tournament.

That happens to every coach. Coach K, Roy W, Jay Wright,Thad, Izzo, B.Self have all lost to a 14-15 seed before.

[blobfan]

Chris Mack failed to make the NCAA's last year. Also failed making the NIT.

One year does not a legacy make.

And Georgetown sat out in 2009. Does that mean the coach is crap?

[ammtd34]

That happens to every coach. Coach K, Roy W, Jay Wright,Thad, Izzo, B.Self have all lost to a 14-15 seed before.

Twice?

[Patrick Bateman]

Twice?

It took Coach K 8 years to start winning at a high level.

[xumuskies08]

Chris Mack failed to make the NCAA's last year. Also failed making the NIT.

Mack has failed to make the tournament one time. JTIII has missed the tournament twice while at Georgetown. Does that make him 2 times worse a coach than Mack? Or does it make Georgetown 2 times worse a program than X?

The point I'm trying to make is your logic makes no sense.

[XU 87]

Chris Mack failed to make the NCAA's last year. Also failed making the NIT.

I'm not worried about last year. I'm just worried about last night. Did Gtown hold the lead or did they puke all over themselves again and lose the game?

[ammtd34]

It took Coach K 8 years to start winning at a high level.

Wait, wait, wait. You're including his time at Army? HAHAHAHAHA.

I'll go ahead and answer my question since no one else has.

K has lost to a team seeded at least 11 places below him in the first round once.

Self - twice.
Williams - none.
Izzo - none.

They all have a bargaining chip that JTIII can't bring to a hypothetical exit interview, though. That's a pretty silly argument, don't you think? "Yeah, I keep getting upset by teams we should crush, but these guys did too."

The problem isn't that you lost a few times. It's that you never won.

[HoyaParanoia]

The problem isn't that you lost a few times. It's that you never won.

Sounds like every single coach at Xavier.

How can you rip a guy that's made it farther than any other coach in your team's history?

[Pajama Joe]

I'd just like for GT to fill the lower bowl for a game this season...man those games look awful on tv.

[Patrick Bateman]

Wait, wait, wait. You're including his time at Army? HAHAHAHAHA.

I'll go ahead and answer my question since no one else has.

K has lost to a team seeded at least 11 places below him in the first round once.

Self - twice.
Williams - none.
Izzo - none.

They all have a bargaining chip that JTIII can't bring to a hypothetical exit interview, though. That's a pretty silly argument, don't you think? "Yeah, I keep getting upset by teams we should crush, but these guys did too."

The problem isn't that you lost a few times. It's that you never won.

It took Coach K 6 years at Duke to get past the second round of the NCAA

[DC Muskie]

I'd just like for GT to fill the lower bowl for a game this season...man those games look awful on tv.

They can't. They have no fans.

[HoyaParanoia]

I'd just like for GT to fill the lower bowl for a game this season...man those games look awful on tv.

GTown had higher attendance #'s than X last year.

Also, Xavier failed to support a football team to the point it was shut down.

[DC Muskie]

It took Coach K 6 years at Duke to get past the second round of the NCAA

It took Chris Mack 1.

[HoyaParanoia]

They can't. They have no fans.

They have more than Xavier.

[HoyaParanoia]

It took Chris Mack 1.

Chris Mack is tied for 1st amongst Xavier coaches in Final Four appearances.

[DC Muskie]

GTown had higher attendance #'s than X last year.

Also, Xavier failed to support a football team to the point it was shut down.

There are a lot of alumni in DC. Mostly Syracuse fans though.

[DC Muskie]

They have more than Xavier.

They? I thought it was we?

And no you don't. Your biggest rival dumped you to play football against Wake Forest and you begged them to schedule you, because you simply can't fill the Verizon Center.

[HoyaParanoia]

There are a lot of alumni in DC. Mostly Syracuse fans though.

well 11K went to quite a few GTown games last year.

When was the last time X had 11K show up for a home game?

[Pajama Joe]

GTown had higher attendance #'s than X last year.

Also, Xavier failed to support a football team to the point it was shut down.

Again, I'd just like for Georgetown to fill the lower bowl. Maybe they shouldn't play in a stadium that's too big for them save 1 or 2 games a year.

[DC Muskie]

well 11K went to quite a few GTown games last year.

When was the last time X had 11K show up for a home game?

You obviously weren't even one of them, because there are simply not 11,000 Hoya fans. Hell you can't even listen to Hoya games on the radio in this city.

[xumuskies08]

The Verizon Center holds 20,308 fans. Georgetown averaged 10,911 last season. That is 53.7% capacity. That is PITIFUL. Georgetown should be ashamed.

[HoyaParanoia]

Again, I'd just like for Georgetown to fill the lower bowl. Maybe they shouldn't play in a stadium that's too big for them save 1 or 2 games a year.

We need something that holds more than 10,250.

[HoyaParanoia]

The Verizon Center holds 20,308 fans. Georgetown averaged 10,911 last season. That is 53.7% capacity. That is PITIFUL. Georgetown should be ashamed.

X averaged less than 10K

And they shut down their football program due to lack of fan support.

[DC Muskie]

The Verizon Center holds 20,308 fans. Georgetown averaged 10,911 last season. That is 53.7% capacity. That is PITIFUL. Georgetown should be ashamed.

That average would be able 2,000 opposing fans on any given night.

When they play Syracuse, 18,000 Cuse fans show up.

[DC Muskie]

And they shut down their football program due to lack of fan support.

You can't watch or listen to Georgetown football games. About 500 high school students go to the games.

[nuts4xu]

We need something that holds more than 10,250.

For a few games perhaps, but not really. You average a few hundred more than that per game. It would actually be better for your to have an arena that held 10,250 to build the demand and be able to fill the place all year long.

[xumuskies08]

Arguing that averaging 10,911 fans in a 20,038 seat arena is better than averaging 9,781 in a 10,250 seat arena is completely moronic. Filling your arena to 95.4% capacity is FAR SUPERIOR to filling your arena to 53.7% capacity.

[HoyaParanoia]

You can't watch or listen to Georgetown football games. About 500 high school students go to the games.

Like basketball, still more people than X.

[HoyaParanoia]

Arguing that averaging 10,911 fans in a 20,038 seat arena is better than averaging 9,781 in a 10,250 seat arena is completely moronic. Filling your arena to 95.4% capacity is FAR SUPERIOR to filling your arena to 53.7% capacity.

It has been said that GTown has no fans.

My point is that GTown has more fans than X.

[chico]

I'm not worried about last year. I'm just worried about last night. Did Gtown hold the lead or did they puke all over themselves again and lose the game?

Good question - I'm curious as well. Maybe big time Georgetown fan can tell us what happened, since he's such a huge fan of the program.

[xumuskies08]

It has been said that GTown has no fans.

My point is that GTown has more fans than X.

Congrats. A school that has 17,000 students in a city with a metro population of 5.73 million draws 1,130 more fans per intercollegiate basketball game than a school with 6,600 students in a city with a metro population of 2.1 million.

Enjoy sixth place. Flagship.

[DC Muskie]

Like basketball, still more people than X.

Nope. Check out this site and show me where you can listen to Georgetown radio broadcasts. http://learfieldsports.com/university-partners/

More people watch and listen to Xavier games. Not even close.


It has been said that GTown has no fans.

My point is that GTown has more fans than X.

Nope. GTown rents out the Verizon Center to accommodate Cuse fans.

[DC Muskie]

Like basketball, still more people than X.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_NCAA_Division_I_men's_basketball_tourn ament_Final_Four_participants

How can you be flagship and not on this list? That is a lot of years and a lot of schools.

Georgetown's not even the Flagship in their own city. I can listen to Va Tech games on the radio. I can't catch the Hoyas going 2-9.

[American X]

The accusers are correct that HoyaParanoia is a troll, because he is a UC Bearcat fan posing as a Georgetown fan.

[xumuskies08]

BREAKING: This season, through 12 home dates, Xavier is averaging 9,770 fans including 4 sellouts. This season, through 10 home dates, Georgetown is averaging 8,038 fans including zero sellouts and a crowd of 4,676 and not a single crowd of more than 10,250 fans.

I guess that's what happens when you're in sixth place. FLAGSHIP

[DC Muskie]

Do you know who gets great radio deals? Programs with fans. Since Georgetown has no fans, Rich Chvotkin has the loneliest job in this city.

Paranoia, Rich Chvotkin does the play by play for Hoya games. Question, who is the color guy for games?

[vee4xu]

Over the years, I never really knew what this whole Hoya-paranoia stuff meant. But, now that X is in the BE and seeing this thread, I am beginning to get a hint.

[XUPhilly04]

Overall, people can talk the past, attendance, who has more fans, etc., but in the end, the only thing that matters is SCOREBOARD and we are in the hunt for a Big East title and a NCAA bid. End of story.

[xudash]

GTown had higher attendance #'s than X last year.

Also, Xavier failed to support a football team to the point it was shut down.

Bang! He's a student of history!!! He has terrible perspective, bringing up something that occurred 4 decades ago, but he can research.

I thought he may be a douchebag Butler or UD fan, but he actually may be a Georgetown fan. I seriously believed that no Georgetown fan would behave like this at this point. As they say, there is one in every fan base.

[XUPhilly04]

Bang! He's a student of history!!! He has terrible perspective, bringing up something that occurred 4 decades ago, but he can research.

I thought he may be a douchebag Butler or UD fan, but he actually may be a Georgetown fan. I seriously believed that no Georgetown fan would behave like this at this point. As they say, there is one in every fan base.

Probably didn't even go there.

[xu82]

BREAKING: This season, through 12 home dates, Xavier is averaging 9,770 fans including 4 sellouts. This season, through 10 home dates, Georgetown is averaging 8,038 fans including zero sellouts and a crowd of 4,676 and not a single crowd of more than 10,250 fans.

I guess that's what happens when you're in sixth place. FLAGSHIP

Please don't go and muddy the water with facts and numbers! But seriously, I had no idea they had this struggle with attendance. Hope all programs in the new BE will thrive.

[throwbackmuskie]

I tend to think history maybe gtowns most popular major

[vee4xu]

This post was overlooked. If Xavier is so good, why aren't they on this list?

George Mason is.

The old saying goes, I wouldn't want to be Santa Claus because he only comes once a year. George Mason is Santa Claus. I'd rather be the quiet little guy who stands around at the dance who nobody knows, but he has a chance to get laid every time he's out for the night. That defines sustainability. Xavier represents sustainability. In fact, sustainable enough that you've forgotten that X beat Georgetown when you had the "Twin Towers". In that particular year our sustainability resulted in X sticking it into some Hoya boxer shorts at the dance referred to as the NCAA tournament.

[ammtd34]

This post was overlooked. If Xavier is so good, why aren't they on this list?

George Mason is.

Why is a final four your goal? I couldn't give less of a shit about a Final Four. I want to win a National Championship. You can celebrate the 30th anniversary of Georgetown's this year. The kids playing now were born after Patrick Ewing's prime. No one picks a school because of 30 year old trophies.

[DC Muskie]

This post was overlooked. If Xavier is so good, why aren't they on this list?

George Mason is.

How come I can listen to football games from a school that is 270 away and a four hour car drive, when I can't listen to Georgetown football or basketball games?

Georgetown has the same radio prowess in their own city as American.

[vee4xu]

Why is a final four your goal? I couldn't give less of a shit about a Final Four. I want to win a National Championship. You can celebrate the 30th anniversary of Georgetown's this year. The kids playing now were born after Patrick Ewing's prime. No one picks a school because of 30 year old trophies.

Except maybe dayton players because they're still selling that Final Four appearance from God-knows-when. In fact, I may pronounce Georgetown as the BE's dayton based on this HoyaParanoia character.

[xumuskies08]

This post was overlooked. If Xavier is so good, why aren't they on this list?

George Mason is.

You keep overlooking my question. If Georgetown is so great why are they in sixth place in a conference YOU called "considerably weaker" than it used to be?

[xumuskies08]

BREAKING: This season, through 12 home dates, Xavier is averaging 9,770 fans including 4 sellouts. This season, through 10 home dates, Georgetown is averaging 8,038 fans including zero sellouts and a crowd of 4,676 and not a single crowd of more than 10,250 fans.

I guess that's what happens when you're in sixth place. FLAGSHIP

Conveniently, HoyaParanoia overlooked my post that proves X has more fans, which was one of his main points of contention earlier.

I hate trolls.

[XUPhilly04]

Conveniently, HoyaParanoia overlooked my post that proves X has more fans, which was one of his main points of contention earlier.

I hate trolls.

Because he's a loser, better off moving on and just asking mods to boot him as he offers no positive value to this forum. I'm sure the people that have put up with him in real life think the same way.

[LadyMuskie]

History is nice. It keeps you warm on your couch while others are out experiencing the present.

Georgetown is the past. Xavier is the future. Bank on it. It's been trending since March, 1990.

[HoyaParanoia]

[QUOTE=xumuskies08;424847]You keep overlooking my question. If Georgetown is so great why are they in sixth place in a conference YOU called "considerably weaker" than it used to be?[/QUOTE

because of injuries and academic issues. pretty simple.

[LA Muskie]

This story has become tiresome.

[Strange Brew]

Trending where? it takes 6 wins in the dance for a national title. xavier has never proven it can win more than 3.

And Sleepy Floyd just threw it to Worthy......Haha, Michael Jordan says thank you for launching his career.....Tyrone Hill, Derrick Strong and Aaron Williams also signed that thank you note for Georgetown tourny chokes.

GU, overrated since Ewing....

Sniff, sniff, what's that emanating from the shores of the Potomac........FEAR.

[throwbackmuskie]

History and no life. That sums up this Hoya. Living in the past on another teams messege board.

[Jumpy]

Man, the smack talk on here has gotten weak over the years. We need PM and Eastside J to come in here and relive some of the glory days of smack.

[throwbackmuskie]

1344

[Muskie]

The accusers are correct that HoyaParanoia is a troll, because he is a UC Bearcat fan posing as a Georgetown fan.

He's definitely posting from the State of Ohio...

[GoMuskies]

He's definitely posting from the State of Ohio...

Why don't you prevent him from posting any more no matter the state/library?

[Masterofreality]

He's definitely posting from the State of Ohio...

That is even sadder? A Borecat troll who can't smack talk re his own team because of 64-47. He then comes on here under the giuse of a team now in Xavier's league.

I suggest Professional Help.

[bleedXblue]

[QUOTE=xumuskies08;424847]You keep overlooking my question. If Georgetown is so great why are they in sixth place in a conference YOU called "considerably weaker" than it used to be?[/QUOTE

because of injuries and academic issues. pretty simple.

AKA.....Lack of depth (recruiting issue) and academic issues (which is also a recruting failure as far as I am concerned)

[HoyaParanoia]

That is even sadder? A Borecat troll who can't smack talk re his own team because of 64-47. He then comes on here under the giuse of a team now in Xavier's league.

I suggest Professional Help.

Just a GTown grad that landed in Ohio.

[HoyaParanoia]

[QUOTE=HoyaParanoia;424862]

AKA.....Lack of depth (recruiting issue) and academic issues (which is also a recruting failure as far as I am concerned)

Why did X miss the tourney last year? Same issues I believe.

[Milhouse]

If we're being completely honest...I'd rather miss the tournament than be embarrassed on National Television by being a 2 seed with a lottery pick that gets dominated by a 15 seed.

But that's just like you know my opinion man.

[PM Thor]

This has been a fun read. HP is just a troll, probably a dayton fan, because a few of those guys just can't stay away from X no matter what, whether or not we play them or are even in their conference. IF he is actually a GW...I mean Georgetown fan, I think he should be more concerned with how bad Gtown is right now over concerning himself with what is ancient history of a program new to the conference. But that's just me.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I am XU all the way, but G'town has a couple big issues right now. One are players either injured or academically unavailable, the other is that JTIII continues to run an offense made for teams with un-athletic guys when he has athletic guys. A lot of teams out there are winning games with less talent that he has right now. JTIII cannot play Starks and DSR 40 minutes a game like he has and expect to win any games.

Yes last year we were very average. We did it playing 7 guys for the most part and even a walk on here and there. We did it by just grinding out 17 wins playing a slow game. Now we have a deeper team and are able to get up and down in transition more. A good coach will coach to the strengths of what he has. JTIII seems to play his scheme regardless of what he has on the court.

[LA Muskie]

Yes last year we were very average. We did it playing 7 guys for the most part and even a walk on here and there. We did it by just grinding out 17 wins playing a slow game. Now we have a deeper team and are able to get up and down in transition more. A good coach will coach to the strengths of what he has. JTIII seems to play his scheme regardless of what he has on the court.
I'm not a huge GTown fan despite being an alum (I grew up 45 minutes from Syracuse...), but I like JTIII. Nevertheless, I think you have pinpointed his deficiencies perfectly.

[Jumpy]

This has been a fun read. HP is just a troll, probably a dayton fan, because a few of those guys just can't stay away from X no matter what, whether or not we play them or are even in their conference. IF he is actually a GW...I mean Georgetown fan, I think he should be more concerned with how bad Gtown is right now over concerning himself with what is ancient history of a program new to the conference. But that's just me.

I agree that this guy is most likely a Dayton fan. He has one line and sticks to it unwaveringly. Just like a Dayton fan, living in the past.

[sgarcia]

Did anyone get tickets through Xavier for the game at Gtown yet? If so, what section did you get?

[SlimKibbles]

Did anyone get tickets through Xavier for the game at Gtown yet? If so, what section did you get?

I inquired about it a couple of weeks ago a few days before the ticket office was supposed to get the tickets. The guy I spoke with, who apparently came from G'town, said if they haven't changed anything, the opposing teams fans sit way up in like 434, or something like that. I didn't call back about it though. I checked the map and those are nosebleeds. My friends and I splurged and spent $80 on tickets mid court on the club level. Looking forward to the trip.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Please tell me why any intelligent adult would take this guys bate? The guy is a troll of another team than GTown yet some of you keep responding to him/her. You do know the best way to make your enemy mad is to just ignore them. Why is this so hard to do on a message board? Screw this person!

[chico]

I am XU all the way, but G'town has a couple big issues right now. One are players either injured or academically unavailable, the other is that JTIII continues to run an offense made for teams with un-athletic guys when he has athletic guys. A lot of teams out there are winning games with less talent that he has right now. JTIII cannot play Starks and DSR 40 minutes a game like he has and expect to win any games.

Yes last year we were very average. We did it playing 7 guys for the most part and even a walk on here and there. We did it by just grinding out 17 wins playing a slow game. Now we have a deeper team and are able to get up and down in transition more. A good coach will coach to the strengths of what he has. JTIII seems to play his scheme regardless of what he has on the court.

Thompson is a coach who runs a system - like Dean Smith was, or like Boeheim with his zone. You can obviously do this and be successful, but you have to recruit kids who can work in your system, and/or be able to effectively teach that system. I think this is where Thompson is lacking.

And OTR Muskie is right, all a troll wants is to get people rile up. He offers nothing of substance. I know it's fun for a little while to occasionally fire back at them, but by and large we should just ignore them.

[BMoreX]

Jeff Borzello ‏@jeffborzello 3m

Georgetown big man Josh Smith is done for the rest of the season due to academics, John Thompson III announces.

Damn. I really wanted to see Stainbrook play versus him.

[The_Mack_Pack]

Well, there goes the Hoyas chances of dancing this season..

[Masterofreality]

Jeff Borzello ‏@jeffborzello 3m

Georgetown big man Josh Smith is done for the rest of the season due to academics, John Thompson III announces.

Damn. I really wanted to see Stainbrook play versus him.


Well, there goes the Hoyas chances of dancing this season..

He was a risk when GTown accepted him...and they lost. From the Washington Post in November, 2013.

‘A big risk’

Signing Smith was not without risk, said Georgetown Coach John Thompson III, who recruited him in high school and more recently studied tape and spoke with those close to him to get a sense of Smith’s character.

“Without a doubt, just looking at his history, there is risk,” Thompson said. “A big risk — literally and figuratively. But at the end of the day, it’s worth taking that risk.”"

Well, not maybe now, but he does have next year still.

[Juice]

Jeff Borzello ‏@jeffborzello 3m

Georgetown big man Josh Smith is done for the rest of the season due to academics, John Thompson III announces.

Damn. I really wanted to see Stainbrook play versus him.

He must have eaten his homework


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zXDo4dL7SU

Get it? Because he's fat...

[BlueGuy]

I'm not a huge GTown fan despite being an alum (I grew up 45 minutes from Syracuse...), but I like JTIII. Nevertheless, I think you have pinpointed his deficiencies perfectly.

LA, where did you grow up? I'm from Rome. Not too many Xavier folks from these parts.

[bigdiggins]

He must have eaten his homework


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zXDo4dL7SU

Get it? Because he's fat...

His homework? It looks like he ate Michael Sweetney.

[LA Muskie]

LA, where did you grow up? I'm from Rome. Not too many Xavier folks from these parts.
Indeed! I'm from Rochester.

[xudash]

Please tell me why any intelligent adult would take this guys bate? The guy is a troll of another team than GTown yet some of you keep responding to him/her. You do know the best way to make your enemy mad is to just ignore them. Why is this so hard to do on a message board? Screw this person!

This.

[Masterofreality]

Indeed! I'm from Rochester.

Webster, Penfield, Irondiquoit, Greece and good old Brockport.

[LA Muskie]

Webster, Penfield, Irondiquoit, Greece and good old Brockport.

MOR you're from there too? I'm from the Gates Chili area. Went to Cardinal Mooney my freshman year. When it closed I went to (and graduated from) Aquinas.

[Masterofreality]

MOR you're from there too? I'm from the Gates Chili area. Went to Cardinal Mooney my freshman year. When it closed I went to (and graduated from) Aquinas.

Nah, just have done tons of work up there. Did work in Chili/Gates too. Lovely Rt 33/Buffalo Road. Tough zoning officers there.

Just make sure you pronounce it SH-EYE- L-EYE!

[OH.X.MI]

GTown Michigan State is shaping up to be a proper blood bath next Saturday.

[PM Thor]

Indeed! I'm from Rochester.

Rochester proper? Wifey is from Webster (and went to Cornell, so knows Ithaca really well), just was up there in December.

[PM Thor]

Webster, Penfield, Irondiquoit, Greece and good old Brockport.

You forgot Chili. Pronounced CH-EYE LIE for some Godforsaken reason.

[LA Muskie]

You forgot Chili. Pronounced CH-EYE LIE for some Godforsaken reason.

That's where I'm from!

[PM Thor]

That's where I'm from!

So that means you pronounce it LAY-Moo Sky. It makes about as much sense. Never understood that pronounciation.

[X-band '01]

Now I have to wonder if we've pronounced Olean correctly after all these years.

[xu82]

That's where I'm from!

I am from outside Buffalo. People everywhere are FROM outside Buffalo/WNY. There are only a few people left there due to taxes, economic conditions and weather. That's why you can drive anywhere in no time (infrastructure was built when there was a significant population), and you can go to a Bills game in Florida and have the Bills fans outnumber the home team fans (Jax in particular!). Most people from WNY flee for some reason. (But I did love growing up there)

[xu82]

Tom Golisano saved $13,800 per DAY in taxes by moving to Florida. Now the poor folks left in NY have to all pony up to pay his portion and it just gets worse as more people leave.

[Masterofreality]

I am from outside Buffalo. People everywhere are FROM outside Buffalo/WNY. There are only a few people left there due to taxes, economic conditions and weather. That's why you can drive anywhere in no time (infrastructure was built when there was a significant population), and you can go to a Bills game in Florida and have the Bills fans outnumber the home team fans (Jax in particular!). Most people from WNY flee for some reason. (But I did love growing up there)

I hear that they're knocking the area code down to two digits there.

(full confession. I love Buffalo and the people there. Have many friends there and we joke about I 90 being the "Trail of Tears" since neither city can ever win a 'ship)

[BMoreX]

Good game at Verizon. Hoyas up 48-46 on Nova, 9 mins left.

I think we should be rooting for the Wildcats here though.

[RoseyMuskie]

Good game at Verizon. Hoyas up 48-46 on Nova, 9 mins left.

I think we should be rooting for the Wildcats here though.

Definitely a tough call. I think I agree. A Nova loss would help X in the standings, but having a high profile team in the BE is also critical.

[BMoreX]

Definitely a tough call. I think I agree. A Nova loss would help X in the standings, but having a high profile team in the BE is also critical.

Yeah, also we still get two shots to beat VIllanova. If we beat them, I want that to mean something.

[bobbiemcgee]

DSR with an off night.

[xumuskies08]

I'd like to see Georgetown pull the upset. I think it benefits X more than a Nova win would.

Side note: the Hoyas need their own arena with a capacity more in line with Cintas Center than Verizon Center. The entire upper level is completely empty. If they can't draw well for a game against a top 10 team then who will they draw well for?

[BMoreX]

I'd like to see Georgetown pull the upset. I think it benefits X more than a Nova win would.

Side note: the Hoyas need their own arena with a capacity more in line with Cintas Center than Verizon Center. The entire upper level is completely empty. If they can't draw well for a game against a top 10 team then who will they draw well for?

Syracuse. That's about it. (I agree with you, but I don't think they ever will. Don't think they have the space.)

[LA Muskie]

Syracuse. That's about it. (I agree with you, but I don't think they ever will. Don't think they have the space.)

There's no room on campus. It's already over-built for the land (and water) locked property. That's why the law school was banished to Union Station.

[LA Muskie]

I'd like to see Georgetown pull the upset. I think it benefits X more than a Nova win would.

Side note: the Hoyas need their own arena with a capacity more in line with Cintas Center than Verizon Center. The entire upper level is completely empty. If they can't draw well for a game against a top 10 team then who will they draw well for?
Do they even sell tix for the upper level?

[xudash]

There's no room on campus. It's already over-built for the land (and water) locked property. That's why the law school was banished to Union Station.

And construction costs would be beyond ugly.

[Masterofreality]

Another day...another loss.

[BMoreX]

Another day...another loss.

Winless since our friend joined the board.

[Masterofreality]

Winless since our friend joined the board.

Karma...a lot like what happened when floorsweeper arrived.

[xumuskies08]

Do they even sell tix for the upper level?

Dunno. They shouldn't. They should curtain off the upper level the way Duquesne does when they play at the Penguins' arena.

[XUFan09]

Dunno. They shouldn't. They should curtain off the upper level the way Duquesne does when they play at the Penguins' arena.

I was just thinking about that because I was at the game where Duquesne and Xavier were tied for first in the conference at 7-1. Dante Jackson lit them up, and it was awesome. The atmosphere was great because the curtained-off upper deck really made it look like a full house.

[BMoreX]

Do they even sell tix for the upper level?

I highly doubt it. Maybe for marquee games (in the past) vs. the Orange or UConn.

[sgarcia]

If you got tickets through Xavier for the Gtown game like I did then I assume most of them are in the upper deck.

[powerofX]

If you got tickets through Xavier for the Gtown game like I did then I assume most of them are in the upper deck.

Just look at TM or Stubhub. Yes, they do sell upper deck.

[GoMuskies]

That NCAA suspension yesterday was interesting.

[BandAid]

That NCAA suspension yesterday was interesting.

Interesting is a kind term. Messed up or ridiculous would be a more apt description.

[LA Muskie]

It's moves like those that will ultimately doom the NCAA. Well, if the Northwestern union bid doesn't take care of it for them.

[Patrick Bateman]

That NCAA suspension yesterday was interesting.

For GTown or X?

[XUFan09]

For GTown or X?

There was no NCAA suspension for X. It's about Georgetown:

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10361937/ncaa-bans-georgetown-hoyas-moses-ayegba-one-game

[XU3232]

GTown up 8 on MSU with about 10 min to go. Would be a great win for the Big East.

[paulxu]

We beat Georgetown and UC...and lose to Seton Hall. WTF?

[Xavier]

Georgetown is 3-6 in the Big East. But losing to SH really hurts

[Masterofreality]

Listened to the Georgetown Michigan State game yesterday driving back from the dumpster fire at Cintas.

Sounded like MSU had the same kind of game that Xavier did yesterday. Missed a pile of free throws and couldn't hit a barn from three. Didn't help that Sparty was missing Adrien Payne.

But...the Big East will take the win...yes it will.

[Emp]

Cotton is eating the Hoyas dinner tonight. I have no. Idea how we held him down on Saturday.

[The_Mack_Pack]

Cotton is eating the Hoyas dinner tonight. I have no. Idea how we held him down on Saturday.

Gotta credit Mack and Semaj for that. Fortune was killing us in the first half though.

[vee4xu]

Cotton is eating the Hoyas dinner tonight. I have no. Idea how we held him down on Saturday.

Thankfully they did otherwise the suicide prevention hotline would have to be published for some on the board.

[GoMuskies]

G'town apparently figured it out, too.

[BMoreX]

They're starting to play their way into the tournament.

Meanwhile, Providence is doing the exact opposite with 3 straight losses.

[XUFan09]

Unless he wasn't good on the defensive end (didn't watch the game), I don't know how much more Cotton could have done:

31 points on 8-14 shooting, 5-6 from 3, 10-11 from the line to go with 3 rebounds and 4 assists. He did have 4 turnovers, but still, just a crazy good game.

Fortune sucked at shooting the ball. He attempted as many shots as Cotton but only made 2. Ladontae Henton was also a non-factor. Providence hasn't lost to bad teams on this three-game losing streak. In fact, the three they lost to might all be better than them: St. John's, Xavier, and Georgetown. Their tournament hopes are fading fast though, with their only three remaining opportunities being Villanova at home, Marquette at home, and Creighton on the road. If they beat the bad teams (Seton Hall, Butler, and DePaul) and get a win or two out of that first group, they might still make it.

With the VCU and Kansas State wins earlier in the non-conference and the Michigan State win more recently (all on neutral courts too), Georgetown has a slightly better resume right now, but they have a tougher road:

@St. John's (This could prove to be a bracket-buster type of game)
@Seton Hall (Trap game)
Xavier
@Marquette
Creighton
@Villanova

They might be the only team with a tougher schedule than Xavier to finish the season.

[GoMuskies]

I could definitely see G'town running off the next four or five in a row.

[XUFan09]

I could definitely see G'town running off the next two in a row before getting their ass kicked at Verizon Center.

FIFY (Wishful thinking)

[GoMuskies]

Even in Xavier's two road wins, we've kind of sucked this year. I want to see something more out of our guys on the road before I get too giddy about the idea of winning in D.C.

[XUFan09]

Even in Xavier's two road wins, we've kind of sucked this year. I want to see something more out of our guys on the road before I get too giddy about the idea of winning in D.C.

Oh I'mby no means giddy. Just dreaming about how awesome that would be, especially since I'm going to the game.

[bleedXblue]

Even in Xavier's two road wins, we've kind of sucked this year. I want to see something more out of our guys on the road before I get too giddy about the idea of winning in D.C.

Ill simply take a W. I don't care how we look.

[Masterofreality]

Georgetown is playing in their old on campus gym in the NIT.

Gawd, that place is smaller than Tom Gola's Garage.

[Cincypunk.org]

I thought it gave the game a cool atmosphere.