The Announcers...

[XUFan09]

Some of this I suspect is due to bad info from their support (These guys have in-game researchers/stats guys who keep them up to date, right?). Still, they or at least the one not named "Kyle" sounded pretty friggin dumb because of it.

"Neither team is shooting well from the line right now." Alabama wasn't shooting well. Xavier was shooting 73%. Come on, that's just factually incorrect.

"Xavier hasn't grabbed many offensive rebounds so far today..." Never mind that Xavier finished the game with 17 offensive rebounds, grabbing nearly two out of five of their own misses. By that point, they were already in double-digits in this department.

"Wow, Semaj Christon, a 54% three-point shooter, passes up an open look!" Really? You are going to announce this game tonight, so you probably did at least a little research on Semaj Christon, since he was the star (enough to confidently talk about him, at least). If that's the case, there's no excuse for not knowing that Semaj really doesn't shoot from deep and that he's known as not being a good shooter.

"Reynolds wrapped his arm around him! That should be an automatic foul." "They did call the foul." "Well...it should be automatic."

Pitiful.

[BMoreX]

Actually when he said the offensive rebound line, that was the 17th offensive rebound of the game.

So yeah, pretty terrible. I couldn't believe it.

[XUFan09]

I forgot to add when they picked Stainbrook as player of the game, they said 17 points was his career hgh. Um, no. Season high, yes. Career high? Far from it. This is most likely the fault of whoever is feeding them stats, not them, but that just contributes to the overall announcing team for the game being bad.

[Jumpy]

I couldn't quite tell, but were those guys Alabama's announcers, or were they from the SEC stable of announcing? They obviously knew more about Alabama than X, but they didn't seem to be as partial as I would have thought that a deep south homer announcing crew would be. Either way, they were pretty bad.

[Masterofreality]

It was from Comcast Sports SOUTH with an SEC logo plastered all over the opening.

Yeah, there was just a tinge of Confederate bias there. Kyle Macy played for Kentucky...and man, is he looking old.

[DC Muskie]

I think my favorite line was when the play by play guy said he expected Mack to get t'd up any minute because of back to back calls against us.

Then immediately said, "Well Mack isn't doing anything, but I he could at any moment."

Who hired these hiljacks?

[paulxu]

All the good SEC announcers do football. Which is understandable.

[Muskie]

It was from Comcast Sports SOUTH with an SEC logo plastered all over the opening.

Yeah, there was just a tinge of Confederate bias there. Kyle Macy played for Kentucky...and man, is he looking old.

There were a ton of advertisements for SEC tv during the breaks. I thought maybe it was carried by Comcast Sports courtesy os SEC Tv

[Masterofreality]

Despite ESPN's contract with the SEC, they didn't want to show their baby being abused by a Big East team on their real channels. But despite that, they still throw it on to ESPN 3 and "Full Court" so CSS is blacked out over most of the country.

F the 4 letter network. I hope Fox takes them to the woodshed.

[WCWIII]

It was on ESPN3, indeed ... but there are like 4 or 5 ESPN3s on at the same time. When I picked up the ESPN3 feed from my provider's ap on my iPad, I was getting technical difficulties from some Spanish soccer match. When I finally reset my password and connected to ESPN3 through the WatchESPN ap, I finally got all the ESPN3s including the game. Maybe it hung a couple times, but otherwise a decent feed onto my iPad. I think the team felt the Karma of Xavier Nation with most of us scrambling to join in by the 2nd half! On my cable box, the pay per view rate was $120 ... I don't know what's up with that?

[xudash]

Perceptions are funny.

I watched this Comcast Sports South broadcast from a vantage point in the South. They had some mangled lines - Chris close to getting a "T" and stuff like that - but, for a group that primarily does SEC broadcasts, I thought they were complimentary of Xavier overall.

Please note that it's all relative: for Southerner's broadcasting an Alabama home game, involving a Yankee Catholic school from the industrial Midwest, involving a state that produced both Grant and Sherman, it wasn't all that bad.

[XUFan09]

Yeah, I didn't think they were too biased. At one point in the second half, when they said that Alabama was outplaying Xavier in the second half despite giving up two points overall, I actually thought that was fair.

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[SemajParlor]

The color commentary guy reminded me of a worse version of Steve Kerr.

[Masterofreality]

I actually didn't hear a word those TV guys said. I have to listen to Byron and Joe on IHeart radio, man. I don't care if the internet radio feed is in synch with the video. I've got to hear their takes.

If you miss Joe and By, you might miss another take like the Jimmy Binnie Traffic Cone moment or that someone has no discernible basketball skills.

[blobfan]

Some of this I suspect is due to bad info from their support (These guys have in-game researchers/stats guys who keep them up to date, right?). Still, they or at least the one not named "Kyle" sounded pretty friggin dumb because of it.

"Neither team is shooting well from the line right now." Alabama wasn't shooting well. Xavier was shooting 73%. Come on, that's just factually incorrect.

"Xavier hasn't grabbed many offensive rebounds so far today..." Never mind that Xavier finished the game with 17 offensive rebounds, grabbing nearly two out of five of their own misses. By that point, they were already in double-digits in this department.

"Wow, Semaj Christon, a 54% three-point shooter, passes up an open look!" Really? You are going to announce this game tonight, so you probably did at least a little research on Semaj Christon, since he was the star (enough to confidently talk about him, at least). If that's the case, there's no excuse for not knowing that Semaj really doesn't shoot from deep and that he's known as not being a good shooter.

"Reynolds wrapped his arm around him! That should be an automatic foul." "They did call the foul." "Well...it should be automatic."

Pitiful.


I think my favorite line was when the play by play guy said he expected Mack to get t'd up any minute because of back to back calls against us.

Then immediately said, "Well Mack isn't doing anything, but I he could at any moment."

Who hired these hiljacks?


Perceptions are funny.

I watched this Comcast Sports South broadcast from a vantage point in the South. They had some mangled lines - Chris close to getting a "T" and stuff like that - but, for a group that primarily does SEC broadcasts, I thought they were complimentary of Xavier overall.

Please note that it's all relative: for Southerner's broadcasting an Alabama home game, involving a Yankee Catholic school from the industrial Midwest, involving a state that produced both Grant and Sherman, it wasn't all that bad.

Y'all made me laugh so hard!!!!

[boozehound]

Perceptions are funny.

I watched this Comcast Sports South broadcast from a vantage point in the South. They had some mangled lines - Chris close to getting a "T" and stuff like that - but, for a group that primarily does SEC broadcasts, I thought they were complimentary of Xavier overall.

Please note that it's all relative: for Southerner's broadcasting an Alabama home game, involving a Yankee Catholic school from the industrial Midwest, involving a state that produced both Grant and Sherman, it wasn't all that bad.

This is true. People in the South really hate Yankees. This seems to be particularly true of states like Alabama, parts of Georgia, Mississippi, etc. I didn't really understand it until I spent a year managing the Southeast Region for my company. For whatever reason the Carolinas seem to be more 'Yankee friendly', although people in the rural parts still aren't fans.

[Milhouse]

Is there anyway to get the radio broadcast on like a 5-6 sec delay to sync up with TV?

[muskiefan82]

Yes. Hit the pause button for live tv, wait 5-6 seconds and then hit play.

[Titanxman04]

This is true. People in the South really hate Yankees. This seems to be particularly true of states like Alabama, parts of Georgia, Mississippi, etc. I didn't really understand it until I spent a year managing the Southeast Region for my company. For whatever reason the Carolinas seem to be more 'Yankee friendly', although people in the rural parts still aren't fans.

My dad grew up in Arkansas. I apparently have second and third cousins down there I have never met. When I moved to Kentucky, my dad made a comment to them about how I said I was moving to "The South". Being from NW Ohio, I considered to it be true. Their response was, "He thinks they're south? They think they're south. Trust me...They ain't south..." There was zero kindness in their tone, I'm told.

[boozehound]

My dad grew up in Arkansas. I apparently have second and third cousins down there I have never met. When I moved to Kentucky, my dad made a comment to them about how I said I was moving to "The South". Being from NW Ohio, I considered to it be true. Their response was, "He thinks they're south? They think they're south. Trust me...They ain't south..." There was zero kindness in their tone, I'm told.

Kentucky is weird like that. The North thinks it's the South, and the South thinks it's the North.

[X-band '01]

Is it any shock that UK is the one school in the SEC where basketball is king? Of course they're associated with "The North."

[GoMuskies]

Kentucky is weird like that. The North thinks it's the South, and the South thinks it's the North.

No one wants to claim Kentucky.

[blobfan]

This is true. People in the South really hate Yankees. This seems to be particularly true of states like Alabama, parts of Georgia, Mississippi, etc. I didn't really understand it until I spent a year managing the Southeast Region for my company. For whatever reason the Carolinas seem to be more 'Yankee friendly', although people in the rural parts still aren't fans.

It's the kind of thing tourists don't usually trip across as anger/resentment is covered by southern hospitality/charm. I've been on tours in the South and when it gets to the part about Sherman burning half the country, we often apologize. If you think of Sherman as a sort of Boogie Monster and Ohio as the equivalent of his closet lair, it helps. It's not rational, but it's there. That's why I laughed particularly hard at that quote.

Hubby thought I was losing my mind reading this thread last night.

[LadyMuskie]

There are definitely parts of the South that are still fighting the War of Northern Aggression. The first year the hubby and I were married we went to Savannah and someone asked where we were from. When we answered "Ohio" I feared we were going to be shot on site for having dared to go to Savannah after what Sherman did.

[blobfan]

There are definitely parts of the South that are still fighting the War of Northern Aggression. The first year the hubby and I were married we went to Savannah and someone asked where we were from. When we answered "Ohio" I feared we were going to be shot on site for having dared to go to Savannah after what Sherman did.

Savannah is where I'm quickest to apologize. That area was truly devastated by the war and is a bit insular so lots of people living there are direct descendants of those burned out. It doesn't help that they had fire problems long before the war came.

[paulxu]

OK ladies, time to weigh in. Born and raised in Tennessee, educated (higher) in Cincinnati, and finally years ago returned to the South (Carolina).
Although (unfortunately) the undercurrent of racism still is alive, that's also true for the much of, if not the whole country as well.
The results of the Civil War and subsequent carpet bagging are dissipating and should be gone in a few generations. What remains is sort of a feeling that people from the North do not understand or appreciate the unique sense of place Southerners have for their homeland. It's probably shared by everyone, but with the mobility of our society in the last few generations is becoming lost. Southerners just have this love of their place that is stronger (in my experience and upbringing) than other parts of our country. And it can be a great place to live!

[xudash]

Savannah is where I'm quickest to apologize. That area was truly devastated by the war and is a bit insular so lots of people living there are direct descendants of those burned out. It doesn't help that they had fire problems long before the war came.

But I do believe the Savannahians of that time actually did such a good job of entertaining Billy Tecumseh that he spared the city. He hooked north and whacked some of South Carolina, after making a mess of Georgia, though without destroying actual towns and communities in his path:

http://www.history.com/topics/shermans-march

I live in the Ortega section of Jacksonville. It's a cross between Hyde Park and the Village of Indian Hill. It has the Florida Yacht Club, which will host the Christmas Ball & 137th Presentation of the 2013 Debutante Coterie. The Debutante Coterie are presented every June, during the Magnolia Ball at Timuquana Country Club. Both events are black tie affairs. Both are steeped in the tradition of the Old South. I'm not writing this in an effort to impress anyone with my life style or surroundings, but it helps to make the point about how deeply traditions are held onto down here.

Otherwise, you may not think of Florida as having any areas that care about the Civil War or the Deep South, but allow me to assure you that I am smack in the middle of one that cares very deeply.

A key point to make is that I got to know these people over time and have become close friends with most of them. I feel some bias at Timuquana as a result of being from the North, but not too much. The Yacht Club, which is more like Delta House (Animal House) isn't that way at all.

I am a "good" Yankee, as far as these folks are concerned, and most don't even say "Yankee" anymore, even when asking about Xavier basketball or other topics of a northern persuasion.

What I typed in the earlier post was truly meant in jest, which means it has truth to it. Just know that the War isn't over, that the SEC is a huge source of pride, and that there is a certain amount of jealousy of the North that is mixed in with a firm belief that they have it good down here: palm trees, ocean, boating, etc.

All this gets passed on from generation to generation. Jacksonville is about to change the name of one of its high schools that has been under protest. The present name of the high school is Nathan Bedford Forrest HS. It's 2013, and they're just now getting around to this. Believe me, it will continue to get passed on, but it has mellowed and probably will continue to mellow overtime.

EDIT: I posted this before seeing Paul's response, which I have been waiting for, BTW. I couldn't agree with him more about the sense of heritage that exists down here. Frankly, I respect that a great deal, and that is probably the reason why I have been embraced by my friends.

[blobfan]

OK ladies, time to weigh in. Born and raised in Tennessee, educated (higher) in Cincinnati, and finally years ago returned to the South (Carolina).
Although (unfortunately) the undercurrent of racism still is alive, that's also true for the much of, if not the whole country as well.
The results of the Civil War and subsequent carpet bagging are dissipating and should be gone in a few generations. What remains is sort of a feeling that people from the North do not understand or appreciate the unique sense of place Southerners have for their homeland. It's probably shared by everyone, but with the mobility of our society in the last few generations is becoming lost. Southerners just have this love of their place that is stronger (in my experience and upbringing) than other parts of our country. And it can be a great place to live!
And like most other humans, they protect what they see as their superior place by doing silly things like unconciously homering a team while calling a college basketball game. I think the south is pretty fabulous, which is why I go out of my way to apologize when the issue of Sherman and burning comes up on tours. Truth is, most tour guides will call out the Ohians to 'warn' us to keep our origins hidden or we risk getting put to the back of lines, etc.

[LadyMuskie]

I'm such a mean ol' Yankee. I don't apologize. For one, half of my ancestors weren't Americans at the time. They were still across the pond. The half that was, two lost limbs at Fredericksburg and another was killed, so . . .

And being married to a New Englander, I can tell you that they too have a very deep sense of home and a wariness of outsiders - especially those south of Connecticut.

I think what it works out to be is that the extremes of this country, the south, the northeast, the west coast, are just plain nuts. Thank God for those of us in the fly over states that even the crazy keel :biggrin:

[bjf123]

Savannah is where I'm quickest to apologize. That area was truly devastated by the war and is a bit insular so lots of people living there are direct descendants of those burned out. It doesn't help that they had fire problems long before the war came.

Interesting, though maybe I'm caught in the middle. My father was from Cincinnati and my mother was from Savannah. When I was a kid, we used to visit Savannah every summer. Great city, though I haven't been back in 30+ years. My grandfather was a major civil war historian and would talk about where battles happened in the area.


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[paulxu]

History aside, I'm pretty sure that CSS Sports (Comcast and Charter Sports) which is now owned by NBC, has a long term regional broadcast deal with the SEC. So it's probably natural that the lead broadcasters on a SEC home game like Alabama, are going to be...well, homers. I did get a little tired of the SEC ads after a while, but once we started coming back I thought they gave props where appropriate...while still being homers. But it's like the video of Dayton going down in the last second...it's the final score that counts.

[CSS85]

Kentucky is weird like that. The North thinks it's the South, and the South thinks it's the North.

Since this thread seems to have drifted into a Civil War tangent, it should be observed that Kentucky was both - due to a Shadow government that was set up, Kentucky could be seen as both a union and secessionist state depending on your own personal sympathies.

[UCGRAD4X]

Since this thread seems to have drifted into a Civil War tangent, it should be observed that Kentucky was both - due to a Shadow government that was set up, Kentucky could be seen as both a union and secessionist state depending on your own personal sympathies.

Spineless weasels! Take a stand already!:unsure: