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Strange Brew
12-14-2013, 10:24 PM
Found it fitting that Mick was the only one in the building to blow his cool and get T'd up. Nice play from the sanctimonious gnome. I'm sure, right now, he's ripping his own suit off in embarrassment.

STL_XUfan
12-14-2013, 10:28 PM
Found it fitting that Mick was the only one in the building to blow his cool and get T'd up. Nice play from the sanctimonious gnome. I'm sure, right now, he's ripping his own suit off in embarrassment.

Or in preparation for Jimmy

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LadyMuskie
12-14-2013, 10:30 PM
Typical for men suffering from small man syndrome.

Seriously, that guy is just the worst. I still can't believe there were people stupid enough to fall for that post-brawl press conference. I hope he reminded himself after removing his suit what school he coaches for. Jacka$$!

Masterofreality
12-14-2013, 10:42 PM
: “@Coopadupe: Mick Cronin didn't even do his post game radio show after the game!!! What a fucking baby!!! #XavierNation #ZippedUp” bitch!

LadyMuskie
12-14-2013, 10:45 PM
Pitiful.

Masterofreality
12-14-2013, 10:47 PM
Pitiful.

I'm sure angry Dan Hoard was nothing but solicitous in his post game, as I'm sure Maychock was too.

Pete Delkus
12-14-2013, 10:48 PM
Mick Cronin is a joke...a JOKE!

X-Fan
12-14-2013, 11:12 PM
The most amazing part is that he was complaining over a "missed" call when UC was getting EVERY call!

What an idiot!

Go X!!!!

wkrq59
12-15-2013, 01:37 AM
The most amazing part is that he was complaining over a "missed" call when UC was getting EVERY call!
What an idiot!
Go X!!!!

Fan. This will really give you a laugh. Only three Xavier players shot free throws, Martin, Philmore and Stainbrook. They made 9 of the 11 free throws Xavier shot. Xavier took 39 shots but was fouled only 11 times? UC was fouled 26 times in 46 shots and made only 14 of 26 fts.UC, the team trying to come back from double digit deficits, was called for 17 fouls and Xavier 24. And the referees favored Xavier??????

XU-PA
12-15-2013, 07:48 AM
realizing that I was seeing a small part of this, by watching from home. But it really appeared that Cronin gave up. Not long after the T he was sitting, for long periods, almost chin in hands. Everytime I saw his on the bench as the camera panned through, same thing. I suspect he knew his team was outplayed, but more importantly he was completely outcoached. As highly touted as his press was, XU was able to pass through it at will, as highly toured as his offensive rebounding was, last night it was ineffective. UC fans must be thrilled about that long term contract he has

XUFan09
12-15-2013, 08:05 AM
Mick was probably being careful because he had one T already. The refs would already have been on the lookout for any noise from his side of the bench. But still, he looked rather despondent!

bleedXblue
12-15-2013, 09:01 AM
It was very clear that the refs were trying to get UC back in the game in the second half. At one point, X had been whistled for 9 fouls to UC's 3. Now, yes some of our fouls were legit, but the majority were ticky tack bs fouls. Not sure who provided the refs but I'm pretty sure since it was our "home" game which would mean that they were provided by the AAC ?

X-band '01
12-15-2013, 09:51 AM
Xavier was responsible for selecting the officials. This has been covered.

X-Fan
12-15-2013, 10:30 AM
It was very clear that the refs were trying to get UC back in the game in the second half. At one point, X had been whistled for 9 fouls to UC's 3. Now, yes some of our fouls were legit, but the majority were ticky tack bs fouls. Not sure who provided the refs but I'm pretty sure since it was our "home" game which would mean that they were provided by the AAC ?


Xavier was responsible for selecting the officials. This has been covered.

To me it wasn't that the Refs were calling excessive fouls against X, they just weren't calling the same fouls on UC. We are obviously used to X getting whistled a bunch each game this year with the emphasis on Hand Checking . Usually it goes both ways...it did not last night. Kudos to the guys for making the FTs they got and keeping their composure.

Lamont Sanford
12-15-2013, 10:33 AM
The refs absolutely did a great job keeping UC in the game in the second half. Those guys were morons.

I watched most of the UNC vs UK game before the Shootout started and was in awe at how little the whistles were blown. I see great inconsistency with the application of the new hand-check rules this year.

Cheesehead
12-15-2013, 10:36 AM
The refs absolutely did a great job keeping UC in the game in the second half. Those guys were morons.

I watched most of the UNC vs UK game before the Shootout started and was in awe at how little the whistles were blown. I see great inconsistency with the application of the new hand-check rules this year.

I thought the same thing. This crew liked the sound of their own whistles.

danaandvictory
12-15-2013, 10:53 AM
Part of it is that Kilpatrick sells contact as well as anyone I've seen since Tu, who might have been the best I've ever seen.

Masterofreality
12-15-2013, 11:33 AM
I don't know anymore what is and isn't a foul...except for one call last night. in the second half, SucKS tried to throw a lob for a dunk. It was a Horriffic lob, way over the head of Rubles, I believe. Rubles went up off balance at a bad angle trying to reach the lob pass that was too high and wide & went out of bounds. They called a foul on Matt Stainbrook for doing nothing more than standing in the vicinity when Rubles landed on his back.

It was so bad it was comical.

paulxu
12-15-2013, 12:06 PM
MOR, I'm not sure about this, and can't figure it out from checking the box score.

I think, with nothing but a fleeting impression of the broadcast last night, that they may have corrected themselves on that call, and "picked up the flag" so to speak. When it happened I thought it was a really crappy call.

danaandvictory
12-15-2013, 12:09 PM
No, it was definitely called a foul. Stainbrook was backing into the guy, almost like he was boxing him out. I didn't think it was that bad a call. There were definitely worse decisions.

coasterville95
12-15-2013, 12:12 PM
Mick with the only T. Clearly he is an embarrassment to his school, and Whit Babcock really needs to decide if Cronin is fit to be on the team anymore. :) Maybe THAT's why he didn't to his post game radio show.

XU 87
12-15-2013, 12:15 PM
Stainbrook backed into him a little, but I'm not sure it should have been a called foul. The ball was so far over the guys head that I don't think Stainbrook did anything to impede him.

Speaking of Mick, how about when he screamed at the clock operator for not buzzing his player in in a timely fashion? I haven't seen a coach yell at the scorer's table like this since Duquesne's coach screamed at our guy back in about 1997.

DC Muskie
12-15-2013, 12:16 PM
I think it's funny that Mick has no problem pontificating after the fight a few years ago, but can't talk to his own after getting his ass ran out of the barn last night.

Bag of dicks.

LA Muskie
12-15-2013, 12:16 PM
Until I clicked in this thread I hadn't spent even a moment thinking about the refs. It was a 20 pt victory and the lead was about 20 for most of the last 30 minutes of the game. The calls will almost always favor the losing team in that scenario. I don't know why--probably just human nature.

DC Muskie
12-15-2013, 12:18 PM
I thought it was a well called game. Of course I was drinking about a gallon of rye and watching us beat the ever loving shit out of them. I was in a good mood. Hell I even enjoyed Justin Martin!

Smails
12-15-2013, 12:32 PM
It's so abundantly clear that Mick cannot handle the magnitude of this game.....win or lose. He completely lost his shit last night. Terrible in-game demeanor, hanging his head like the little bitch that he is, skipping his own presser because he didn't want to face the music of his second ass-whipping in three years. Just a terrible representative of the school. My guess is that he will give zero credit to Xavier even though his squad was thoroughly dominated in every facet of the game, with the exception of getting just about every call. I will be floored if he doesn't do everything in his power to stop this series.

Cheesehead
12-15-2013, 12:39 PM
It's so abundantly clear that Mick cannot handle the magnitude of this game.....win or lose. He completely lost his shit last night. Terrible in-game demeanor, hanging his head like the little bitch that he is, skipping his own presser because he didn't want to face the music of his second ass-whipping in three years. Just a terrible representative of the school. My guess is that he will give zero credit to Xavier even though his squad was thoroughly dominated in every facet of the game, with the exception of getting just about every call. I will be floored if he doesn't do everything in his power to stop this series.

This.

X-band '01
12-15-2013, 12:42 PM
The gnome DID give credit to Xavier for outmuscling and out-toughing his team last night. He'll have you believe that his team was well-prepared going into the game but failed miserably to execute his game plan.

As far as Xavier itself, it was great to see the bench players respond to Christon's foul trouble early on. They weren't perfect as far as handling UC's pressure but made sure not to give up extra points and cheap fouls in transition.

coasterville95
12-15-2013, 12:48 PM
Ah, so Cronin followed his usual game plan, throw his players under the bus. "I had the perfect game plan, I really did, they just wouldn't listen to me"

gladdenguy
12-15-2013, 12:50 PM
I am so happy today. I love all you guys.

boozehound
12-15-2013, 01:26 PM
I am so happy today. I love all you guys.

Amen to that, brother. Today feels great!

LadyMuskie
12-15-2013, 01:38 PM
It's so abundantly clear that Mick cannot handle the magnitude of this game.....win or lose. He completely lost his shit last night. Terrible in-game demeanor, hanging his head like the little bitch that he is, skipping his own presser because he didn't want to face the music of his second ass-whipping in three years. Just a terrible representative of the school. My guess is that he will give zero credit to Xavier even though his squad was thoroughly dominated in every facet of the game, with the exception of getting just about every call. I will be floored if he doesn't do everything in his power to stop this series.

I imagine Mick has trouble handling the magnitude of life. Probably has something to do with his gnominess.

Masterofreality
12-15-2013, 02:19 PM
No, it was definitely called a foul. Stainbrook was backing into the guy, almost like he was boxing him out. I didn't think it was that bad a call. There were definitely worse decisions.

Disagree, D. Check the tape.

waggy
12-15-2013, 02:50 PM
The play that actually drew the T was the block/charge on Martin, that was called a block. That was a really bad call imo, and don't blame Mick for going ballistic.

xudash
12-15-2013, 02:56 PM
Disagree, D. Check the tape.

I agree with you, MOR. Stain literally took a couple steps back with no indication he had even sighted the UC player. The UC player was completely out of control going up and coming down.

bobbiemcgee
12-15-2013, 03:23 PM
Agree. Stain shouldn't be responsible for falling objects. He was just holding his ground.

XU-PA
12-15-2013, 10:54 PM
Waggy "The play that actually drew the T was the block/charge on Martin, that was called a block. That was a really bad call imo, and don't blame Mick for going ballistic."



after watching the replay a couple times I agree with the call on that one. It's a very good call to discuss the new block/charge rules. It appeared that the defender got in place, square, both feet down when martin left the ground, BUT, the new rule says that the defender must be in place before the offensive player makes his upward motion to the basket, so that in many cases the defender will have to be in place much earlier. Martin was making an upward motion to the basket before he left his feet, I think the interpretation in some cases is about the hands, are your hands moving up with the ball towards the basket, then you are in your shooting motion.
In any case it will be very interesting to watch how the call evolves over the season, and at least one coach will need to learn to hold his tongue, good or bad call, drop a few bombs over the ref's discretion and you get T'd

XUFan09
12-15-2013, 11:48 PM
To simplify what you're saying, PA, my understanding is that simply gathering the ball is sufficient. The defender must be set before that moment, which he wasn't.

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XU-PA
12-16-2013, 07:31 AM
To simplify what you're saying, PA, my understanding is that simply gathering the ball is sufficient. The defender must be set before that moment, which he wasn't.

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yes, a much better way of putting it.. It will be very interesting to see how it's interpreted throughout the season.

XUFan09
12-16-2013, 08:17 AM
I was annoyed by the announcers because they were still judging the call by last year's rules, not even mentioning the necessary criteria concerning gathering the ball, beginning upward motion, or whatever you want to call it. If the announcers can't remember that, they create misinformed listeners.

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X-Fan
12-16-2013, 12:12 PM
I was annoyed by the announcers because they were still judging the call by last year's rules, not even mentioning the necessary criteria concerning gathering the ball, beginning upward motion, or whatever you want to call it. If the announcers can't remember that, they create misinformed listeners.

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Yep, I had the same thoughts. Very annoying. In fact that is why I was upset with the Charge call on Semaj (I think it was his 2nd foul). Even though he was a bit out of control, with how the rule is supposed to be interpreted, there is NO WAY it should have been a change. With last years rules, yes, but now how they've been calling it this year.

Kahns Krazy
12-16-2013, 01:50 PM
The play that actually drew the T was the block/charge on Martin, that was called a block. That was a really bad call imo, and don't blame Mick for going ballistic.

Well, except that Mick was calling for a travel, which would have been the worst possible call.

I watched that play a dozen times last night while trying to avoid watching the Bengals. The one curious thing to me is that the ref all the way on the far side of the court is the one that T's up Mick, and Mick doesn't even realize it until the near ref that he is screaming at says "you've been T'd up" and Mick screams "WHY?!" right in his face. Classic.