I Hate SucKS

[Masterofreality]

As I sit here in the early morning hours of game day, I can feel the roiling and seething begin. That school across town, the black ogres, the darkness....we play them. I hate. Why?

-Smart ass Mick Cronin. Get some Crest 3D White strips. (For you PMThor)
-The ghosts of BeelzeBob and Drunken Andy Kennedy.
-Kenyon Martin's flex
-Ruben Patterson's rape
-Charles Williams academic fraud
-Donald Little's hot coat hanger
-Eugene Land Larceny
-Art Long punching a horse
-BJ Groves beating up pregnant women
-Dumbtonio Wingfield
-Free Roof Bob Goin
-Thuggins not shaking hands with Pete
-Thuggins getting two AD's fired-Taylor and O'Dell
-Darnell Burton, drug dealer
-Damon Flint, women abuser
-Pussy G'Lawn Guyn (sp) who couldn't take a little trash talk at the end of the 2011 blowout.
-Sanctimonious YTG who couldn't win the A-10
-Chek Mobdj (sp) for cheap shotting Big Frease
-That horrible "Ohhhh, Ohhhh, Ohhhh, clap,clap,clap,clap...uc" cheer.
-SucKS charlatan football program.
-The arrogant "little brother" and "steppingstone" statements from their fairweather fans
-Huggins and Kennedy bar fights with fans.
-SucKS pathetic attempts to expand their craphole stadium
-SucKS pathetic attempts to weasel themselves into a league other than the AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC...any league
-A Jaundiced Leprechaun with an inferiority complex.
-Beatwriter Bill Koch for baiting Tu in a post-game press conference.
-PDoc for being a SucKS shill, throwing a Molotov Cocktail on the pre-game 2011 fire then denying everything.
-The Borecats feeble schedule -ranked 333 in SOS so far.

They SucK over there in Clifton. My burlap and sackcloth is on, the beard is grizzled, I'm beginning to speak in tongues, the disdain is boiling and the beer is chilling.

Justice must be done tonight. Goodness must prevail. Mighty Men of Xavier wield your scabbards and vanquish the dark evil back to the moldy cave (Fifth Third) from which it emerged.

It is written, it will be done!

[Titanxman04]

Awesome. What a thing to wake up and read this morning.

[X-band '01]

Don't forget to beat your breasts too Master.

[floorsweeper]

"Hey Jwoww, you sure are stupid"

Snooki

[Fireball]

Public reps, MOR, since I can't give you real ones...

I hate UC in every sport. If they lose in women's golf, I'm ecstastic. The best part of them now is that they still think they're big time, enough though they've been demoted to a mid-major conference.

So their arrogance is not only completely insufferable, but it's delusional as well.

I hope we destroy them tonight.

[waggy]

Have any of their players been arrested this week?

[joe titan]

As I sit here in the early morning hours of game day, I can feel the roiling and seething begin. That school across town, the black ogres, the darkness....we play them. I hate. Why?

-Smart ass Mick Cronin. Get some Crest 3D White strips. (For you PMThor)
-The ghosts of BeelzeBob and Drunken Andy Kennedy.
-Kenyon Martin's flex
-Ruben Patterson's rape
-Charles Williams academic fraud
-Donald Little's hot coat hanger
-Eugene Land Larceny
-Art Long punching a horse
-BJ Groves beating up pregnant women
-Dumbtonio Wingfield
-Free Roof Bob Goin
-Thuggins not shaking hands with Pete
-Thuggins getting two AD's fired-Taylor and O'Dell
-Darnell Burton, drug dealer
-Damon Flint, women abuser
-Pussy G'Lawn Guyn (sp) who couldn't take a little trash talk at the end of the 2011 blowout.
-Sanctimonious YTG who couldn't win the A-10
-Chek Mobdj (sp) for cheap shotting Big Frease
-That horrible "Ohhhh, Ohhhh, Ohhhh, clap,clap,clap,clap...uc" cheer.
-SucKS charlatan football program.
-The arrogant "little brother" and "steppingstone" statements from their fairweather fans
-Huggins and Kennedy bar fights with fans.
-SucKS pathetic attempts to expand their craphole stadium
-SucKS pathetic attempts to weasel themselves into a league other than the AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC...any league
-A Jaundiced Leprechaun with an inferiority complex.
-Beatwriter Bill Koch for baiting Tu in a post-game press conference.
-PDoc for being a SucKS shill, throwing a Molotov Cocktail on the pre-game 2011 fire then denying everything.
-The Borecats feeble schedule -ranked 333 in SOS so far.

They SucK over there in Clifton. My burlap and sackcloth is on, the beard is grizzled, I'm beginning to speak in tongues, the disdain is boiling and the beer is chilling.

Justice must be done tonight. Goodness must prevail. Mighty Men of Xavier wield your scabbards and vanquish the dark evil back to the moldy cave (Fifth Third) from which it emerged.

It is written, it will be done!

How did you neglect Anthony Buford: bank/mortgage fraud felony

[Masterofreality]

How did you neglect Anthony Buford: bank/mortgage fraud felony

Feel free to add and Escalate the Hate at will.

[paulxu]

Well, that first post is in the absolutely wrong thread.

It belongs over in the "Let's get the Magic Back" one.

[Retire33]

Feel free to add and Escalate the Hate at will.

Think he accepted or shipped pot through US Mail. Not the smartest move there.

[subflea]

I can't believe you would talk so poorly about the school from which your president was awarded an honorary degree just hours ago.

[X-band '01]

This is going to make Gladden's day if Fr. Graham can now claim to be a UC grad!

[SixFig]

Over time and with age my hatred for UC has waned. I mean I really have grown to respect them and their instit....

...sorry I can't say that with a straight face.

[Masterofreality]

I can't believe you would talk so poorly about the school from which your president was awarded an honorary degree just hours ago.

An Honorary Degree from ITT Tech is worth more than a real degree from SucKS.

I'm sure that Graham is looking at that piece of paper from Clifton like someone looks at a flaming paper bag of dog crap on their front porch....WTF do I do with this?

[joe titan]

Think he accepted or shipped pot through US Mail. Not the smartest move there.

that would be Corey Blount; Buford pled guilty to federal bank fraud charges in a scheme Buford and a his former girl friend who was a realtor defrauded banks of about $3 Million

[GIMMFD]

Meanwhile Nick LaGay is getting his 5 minutes of fame off twitter for tweets such as:

@NickLachey: 34m
Well, at least Xavier fans can look forward to their football team playing in a bowl game after they lose tonight!! Oh wait..... #Bearcats

Clown didn't even go to UC.

[GoMuskies]

Yes, football smack. Very hurtful to those of us who weren't even born the last time Xavier played a football game.

[xubrew]

As I sit here in the early morning hours of game day, I can feel the roiling and seething begin. That school across town, the black ogres, the darkness....we play them. I hate. Why?

-Smart ass Mick Cronin. Get some Crest 3D White strips. (For you PMThor)
-The ghosts of BeelzeBob and Drunken Andy Kennedy.
-Kenyon Martin's flex
-Ruben Patterson's rape
-Charles Williams academic fraud
-Donald Little's hot coat hanger
-Eugene Land Larceny
-Art Long punching a horse
-BJ Groves beating up pregnant women
-Dumbtonio Wingfield
-Free Roof Bob Goin
-Thuggins not shaking hands with Pete
-Thuggins getting two AD's fired-Taylor and O'Dell
-Darnell Burton, drug dealer
-Damon Flint, women abuser
-Pussy G'Lawn Guyn (sp) who couldn't take a little trash talk at the end of the 2011 blowout.
-Sanctimonious YTG who couldn't win the A-10
-Chek Mobdj (sp) for cheap shotting Big Frease
-That horrible "Ohhhh, Ohhhh, Ohhhh, clap,clap,clap,clap...uc" cheer.
-SucKS charlatan football program.
-The arrogant "little brother" and "steppingstone" statements from their fairweather fans
-Huggins and Kennedy bar fights with fans.
-SucKS pathetic attempts to expand their craphole stadium
-SucKS pathetic attempts to weasel themselves into a league other than the AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC...any league
-A Jaundiced Leprechaun with an inferiority complex.
-Beatwriter Bill Koch for baiting Tu in a post-game press conference.
-PDoc for being a SucKS shill, throwing a Molotov Cocktail on the pre-game 2011 fire then denying everything.
-The Borecats feeble schedule -ranked 333 in SOS so far.

They SucK over there in Clifton. My burlap and sackcloth is on, the beard is grizzled, I'm beginning to speak in tongues, the disdain is boiling and the beer is chilling.

Justice must be done tonight. Goodness must prevail. Mighty Men of Xavier wield your scabbards and vanquish the dark evil back to the moldy cave (Fifth Third) from which it emerged.

It is written, it will be done!

BRAVO!!!!!

I really don't hate them. I really don't care all that much about them. But, how the hell do you not applaud this??

We win tonight, our season is on the right track both on and off paper. If we win tonight, we're in much better shape than they are. They've played one good team and loss. They've played one decent team at home and won, but that decent team won't win many road games. Tennessee is tougher on the road than NC State is.

Fuck 'em. (Pardon my English). Let them talk about how they're a football school and how the game doesn't matter anymore because the Bengals are good, as if only being able to root for one thing at a time is somehow admirable. Especially when that one team is a fringe top 25 team at best.

[Musketeer_15]

Meanwhile Nick LaGay is getting his 5 minutes of fame off twitter for tweets such as:

@NickLachey: 34m
Well, at least Xavier fans can look forward to their football team playing in a bowl game after they lose tonight!! Oh wait..... #Bearcats

Clown didn't even go to UC.

I heard Kilpatrick listens to 98 degrees

[paulxu]

Is this the part where they release the Kraken thing?

[RealDeal]

Can't remember the name of the guy who got busted carrying a gun on campus? Or how about the guy instrumental in the brawl getting arrested 3 months later. How many guys who played under hugs have done time? A proud legacy.

[Juice]

Can't remember the name of the guy who got busted carrying a gun on campus? Or how about the guy instrumental in the brawl getting arrested 3 months later. How many guys who played under hugs have done time? A proud legacy.

Roy Bright


According to the report, Bright "pulled a .32-caliber Iver Johnson revolver from his right pocket and the revolver was fired. The arrested, Roy Bright, is not sure if he fired the weapon or if the weapon was dropped and discharged. After the revolver was fired, Mr. Bright placed the weapon back into his pocket."

Huggins dismissed Bright immediately after Bright confirmed that he had been in possession of a firearm on campus.

"Huggins stepped right up to the plate," Goin said. "He knows our guidelines."

I totally forgot about this. This was a great story.

[STL_XUfan]

Huggins dismissed Bright immediately after Bright confirmed that he had been in possession of a firearm on campus.

"Huggins stepped right up to the plate," Goin said. "He knows our guidelines."

I heard Huggins actually forcibly removed Bright's jersey

[DC Muskie]

I think it's funny that UFC is on right before the Shootout.

[Masterofreality]

Mick Cronin didn't even do his post game radio show after the game!!! What a fucking baby!!! #XavierNation #ZippedUp” bitch!

[blobfan]

Which probably means he'll kick up a even bigger stink about moving the game back to campuses. Oh well.

[floorsweeper]

Yes, Xavier is the hallmark of player conduct and accountability every NCAA program strives to emulate. Now remind us how many former UC players are currently sitting in prison on murder charges ?

[Cheesehead]

Yes, Xavier is the hallmark of player conduct and accountability every NCAA program strives to emulate. Now remind us how many former UC players are currently sitting in prison on murder charges ?

are you still here?

[Cheesehead]

Mick Cronin didn't even do his post game radio show after the game!!! What a fucking baby!!! #XavierNation #ZippedUp” bitch!

he did physically rip his coat off. I guess Mick is good at that sort of thing.

[paulxu]

Cronin said. “We walked into a street fight with a pink outfit on."

That's all you got? Pink outfits? What's wrong, you couldn't afford to start another sucker-punching, foot-stomping brawl?

And what's with all the references to a "fight" this, and "alley fight" that.

Let me guess, you don't want it back on campus either. Here's your pink outfit if there is ever another game.
http://www.rallyhouse.com/prodimages/153774-DEFAULT-m.jpg

[Masterofreality]

Oh, one other thing I hate about anything to do with SucKS.

"Angry Dan" Hoard. I've never heard a guy more defensively arrogant as a professional play by play guy. On any call that goes against the Borecats he thinks that they got jobbed by the universe. I only heard a short burst of their broadcast last night in the car, but on the goaltend call vs SucKS near the end of the firs half, it was clear that a black clad hand went up into the net. Hoard said it should have been offensive goaltending. How that guy has a professional job, I have no idea. Joe Sunderman is so much better, more fair and with a much more cheery attitude.

Maychock is just a dolt, so I can discount him, but Hoard is insufferable.

[wkrq59]

MOR et al,
I wonder why Billo Koch and others at UC have not and are not now screaming about the implied gay insult in the "Pink Outfits" as referenced on more than one occasion by Lil Mickey Cronin after last night's game. He couldn't really call his players pussies so he chose a phrase that has long been used by homophobics to express their distain for homosexuals. Where is the outrage? Where is the hatred spewed at Tu Holloway for his "Gangstas" remark, a lot less hurtful and unacceptable than homopbobic comments. Where is the demand for sensitivity training classes? Where is the outrage? Where is the demand for reconcillation sessions? Luther Smith? Where are you? Why aren't you screaming? Where is the horrific reaction from UC administrators? Where are the blue nosed UC alumni? Where are the breast-beating mea culpas from staff and the demands from the media for public flogging? Will there be a press conference tomorrow demanding suspension of the coach? Stand by, and never forget, 76-53, 64-47.

:shutup::bigstick::disturbed::bigstick:

[paulxu]

A thought and a question occurred to me:
Thought...next year will be decisive as to whether the game returns to campus. I'm extra glad we won last night so it puts the pressure more on UC to go back to campus venues. They should want to go to their home court next year as it's their turn to host. Mack's right; back to the campus venue.

Question...could not get a good gauge if there were more UC patrons in the arena last night than X ones. The camera shots made it seem like we were well represented, especially students. From someone who was there, did it seem like the crowd was 50/50?

[94GRAD]

A thought and a question occurred to me:
Thought...next year will be decisive as to whether the game returns to campus. I'm extra glad we won last night so it puts the pressure more on UC to go back to campus venues. They should want to go to their home court next year as it's their turn to host. Mack's right; back to the campus venue.

Question...could not get a good gauge if there were more UC patrons in the arena last night than X ones. The camera shots made it seem like we were well represented, especially students. From someone who was there, did it seem like the crowd was 50/50?


60/40 uc fans

[xudash]

A thought and a question occurred to me:
Thought...next year will be decisive as to whether the game returns to campus. I'm extra glad we won last night so it puts the pressure more on UC to go back to campus venues. They should want to go to their home court next year as it's their turn to host. Mack's right; back to the campus venue.

Question...could not get a good gauge if there were more UC patrons in the arena last night than X ones. The camera shots made it seem like we were well represented, especially students. From someone who was there, did it seem like the crowd was 50/50?

I would like a read on that as well Paul. I recall hearing the Fox announcers comment on how the Xavier crowd wrapped around to one point and the UC crowd wrapped around to another, or something to that effect. It certainly looked on television as though a number of Xavier fans choose NOT to boycott the venue; it appeared as though we were very well represented; we certainly sounded like we were well represented.

The attendance figure - certainly ironical as someone here pointed out last night (10,250) - did do the downtown argument many favors.

[xudash]

60/40 uc fans

Thanks 94. I presume the crowd at Dana's after the game had a more favorable ratio...

[xubball1993]

I absolutely hate listening to Hoard call Bengals games. I miss Brad and Lap - much better combo.

Chuck is just a joke with his "UC can do no wrong approach" to broadcasting. If our guys make a mistake or aren't playing well, Byron and Joe won't shrink from providing that commentary.

[paulxu]

Thanks 94. I presume the crowd at Dana's after the game had a more favorable ratio...

The UC people were easy to spot. Dressed in pink. (NH)

[Kahns Krazy]

Cronin's post game interview is classic. What a little bitch.

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20131214/SPT0101/312140087/UC-s-stifling-defense-shredded-by-Xavier

I love how he looks all surprised every time someone asks a question, and I don't think he actually answers any of the questions.

[Cheesehead]

He really is such a little shithead.

[Smails]

Holy shit...he completely threw his best player and only scorer under the bus. Wow..

[danaandvictory]

I was at the press conference. I thought the jabs at Kilpatrick were meant to motivate him but came off mean-spirited, especially since he was the only guy on UC's team that produced anything.

I have to say the "pink outfits" thing struck me as pretty inappropriate, but whatever.

The bigger thing was that Cronin referred to the game as a "street fight" and an "alley fight", which, given the recent history of this deal is extraordinarily stupid.

Then after the last question was asked he sat there looking like a smacked rear end for about 90 seconds and then left.

It was bizarre.

[vee4xu]

Cronin's post game interview is classic. What a little bitch.

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20131214/SPT0101/312140087/UC-s-stifling-defense-shredded-by-Xavier

I love how he looks all surprised every time someone asks a question, and I don't think he actually answers any of the questions.

Sounds like he may be practicing to run for political office.

[Burrcats]

Mick Cronin said something stupid? You will get no argument from me. He clearly went to the Rick Pitino school of bloviating.

[Masterofreality]

Since Bob Staak's hiring. 35 years. 35 Crosstown Shootouts. Xavier -20 wins, Cincinnati- 15 wins. #WhosLittleBrother?

[94GRAD]

Since Bob Staak's hiring. 35 years. 35 Crosstown Shootouts. Xavier -20 wins, Cincinnati- 15 wins. #WhosLittleBrother?


Since reopening Dana's we are 12-6

[Masterofreality]

Since reopening Dana's we are 12-6

That would be the reason.....Karma.

[blobfan]

MOR et al,
I wonder why Billo Koch and others at UC have not and are not now screaming about the implied gay insult in the "Pink Outfits" as referenced on more than one occasion by Lil Mickey Cronin after last night's game. He couldn't really call his players pussies so he chose a phrase that has long been used by homophobics to express their distain for homosexuals. Where is the outrage? Where is the hatred spewed at Tu Holloway for his "Gangstas" remark, a lot less hurtful and unacceptable than homopbobic comments. Where is the demand for sensitivity training classes? Where is the outrage? Where is the demand for reconcillation sessions? Luther Smith? Where are you? Why aren't you screaming? Where is the horrific reaction from UC administrators? Where are the blue nosed UC alumni? Where are the breast-beating mea culpas from staff and the demands from the media for public flogging? Will there be a press conference tomorrow demanding suspension of the coach? Stand by, and never forget, 76-53, 64-47.

:shutup::bigstick::disturbed::bigstick:
Aw, come on now! That Mick is just so charming and quotable. Local media loves him!
*retch**puke*

Given how much attention he gets with as little as he does, it's a real shame for UC that he isn't as engaged in the community as most D1 coaches. He could be good for them if he was actually willing to try.

[xudash]

Aw, come on now! That Mick is just so charming and quotable. Local media loves him!
*retch**puke*

Given how much attention he gets with as little as he does, it's a real shame for UC that he isn't as engaged in the community as most D1 coaches. He could be good for them if he was actually willing to try.

I have to believe that down long private hallways behind heavy wooden doors somewhere on that campus, BoT members and probably even Ono shake their heads at the thought of that clown being the face of their basketball program, and they can't do much about it now, given they just re-upped his contract recently.

It's their problem, and they prolonged it for themselves, and to our benefit.

[Burrcats]

I have to believe that down long private hallways behind heavy wooden doors somewhere on that campus, BoT members and probably even Ono shake their heads at the thought of that clown being the face of their basketball program, and they can't do much about it now, given they just re-upped his contract recently.

It's their problem, and they prolonged it for themselves, and to our benefit.

Truth be told, UC cannot get rid of Cronin. No other good coach would stick around for very long. With the poor fan support, a bad arena like the Shoe, a poor budget and conference limbo any other guy would bolt after one NCAA tournament appearance.

[RealDeal]

Mick and Nick Lachey, the faces of uc basketball. Awesome.

[Cheesehead]

and his tweet about xavier not having a football team is so original. Gee, have never heard of that one before, Nick! Enjoy your crappy bowl game, X will be playing in the Big East.

[Masterofreality]

Truth be told, UC cannot get rid of Cronin. No other good coach would stick around for very long. With the poor fan support, a bad arena like the Shoe, a poor budget and conference limbo any other guy would bolt after one NCAA tournament appearance.

This is probably very true. UC has some severe budget issues. Burr, do you think that they may go the Temple route and drop a bunch of sports?

[Burrcats]

This is probably very true. UC has some severe budget issues. Burr, do you think that they may go the Temple route and drop a bunch of sports?

Nippert Stadium's renovations are supposed to increase revenue because of the premium seating being added (most of which have been sold). As far as the Olympic sports, Cincinnati AD Whit Babcock recently announced that UC will be reinstating scholarships (LINK (http://magazine.uc.edu/favorites/web-only/sports_reinstated.html)). They are trying to improve the overall state of the athletic department to put the university in good position if conference realignment ever starts up again.

My biggest concern going forward is a new arena for basketball, it apparently will cost a ton to renovate the Shoe, so it may be best for UC to actually just build a new one entirely. There were also some rumors about UC partially funding a project to renovate US Bank Arena and make UC basketball the primary tenant. I wonder what Mick would want to do with the shootout then...lol.

[xudash]

Nippert Stadium's renovations are supposed to increase revenue because of the premium seating being added (most of which have been sold). As far as the Olympic sports, Cincinnati AD Whit Babcock recently announced that UC will be reinstating scholarships (LINK (http://magazine.uc.edu/favorites/web-only/sports_reinstated.html)). They are trying to improve the overall state of the athletic department to put the university in good position if conference realignment ever starts up again.

My biggest concern going forward is a new arena for basketball, it apparently will cost a ton to renovate the Shoe, so it may be best for UC to actually just build a new one entirely. There were also some rumors about UC partially funding a project to renovate US Bank Arena and make UC basketball the primary tenant. I wonder what Mick would want to do with the shootout then...lol.

Burr, it obviously isn't a direct comparison, but the theme is consistent: St. Joe's renovated their on campus basketball facility, but did not materially increase capacity. As I understand it, Hagan Arena is a nice facility, but it's too small at <4k capacity. They've really boxed themselves in over there - no pun intended.

UC's renovation of Nippert rightly is focused on high revenue enhancements (i.e. luxury suites, etc.), but overall capacity, as I understand it, still will not exceed 40k.

The point is obvious: should conference expansion come around again, would UC be attractive enough to the Big12 given that capacity constraint? Schools like Texas, OU, OSU, etc. are going to be shaking their heads over your capacity.

Perhaps it wouldn't be a problem for the ACC, given BC's stadium, Wake's stadium and Miami's consistently terrible home attendance, but, then again, there can be no assurances that UC even is on the ACC's radar for expansion.

I actually like Nippert; I like how it is situated. The drawings of the renovation look nice. But a 40k stadium in today's arms race seems to me to be a road to hell.

[Musketeer_15]

Since the introduction of the 3 point line in college during the 1986-1987 season, Xavier is 15-13 against UC.

[boozehound]

and his tweet about xavier not having a football team is so original. Gee, have never heard of that one before, Nick! Enjoy your crappy bowl game, X will be playing in the Big East.

I can't speak to Lachey personally, but it seems that everyone is a big UC fan during shootout week. If half those people attended even 3-5 UC home games per year UC wouldn't have attendance problems. The casual fan is the bane of UC's existence right now. They have too many of them and not enough die hards.

[Masterofreality]

I can't speak to Lachey personally, but it seems that everyone is a big UC fan during shootout week. If half those people attended even 3-5 UC home games per year UC wouldn't have attendance problems. The casual fan is the bane of UC's existence right now. They have too many of them and not enough die hards.

"Casual" may be too kind.

I'd call them "Fairweather".

[paulxu]

It's amazing what a difference conference re-alignment makes to the news feed.
Last year they couldn't get enough at ESPN of playing up the rematch after the year before.
This year the biggest story is Syracuse beating St. John's and I can't even find any mention in the Saturday recap of important games.

From one of 8 historic rivalries in the country...to no mention. They must not like Fox I guess.

[Masterofreality]

I don't even think that the 4 letter network put the score on their ticker at the bottom of the screen.

They will minimize and marginalize the Big East. The league will have to force its way in. I think our Alabama game is only on ESPN3 despite them having an SEC contract.

[boozehound]

I don't even think that the 4 letter network put the score on their ticker at the bottom of the screen.

They will minimize and marginalize the Big East. The league will have to force its way in. I think our Alabama game is only on ESPN3 despite them having an SEC contract.

Someday (hopefully) we will get to a point where fans will determine content and networks power to control content to further an agenda will be reduced. We aren't there yet though. For ESPN marginalizing the Big East is just good business. They need FS1 to fail if they want to continue their monopoly on sports content.

[BlueGuy]

Someday (hopefully) we will get to a point where fans will determine content and networks power to control content to further an agenda will be reduced. We aren't there yet though. For ESPN marginalizing the Big East is just good business. They need FS1 to fail if they want to continue their monopoly on sports content.

It will be interesting to see what happens come tourney selection time if the Big East has a couple teams on the bubble, and how much ESPN talks about them when speculating the brackets.


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[Masterofreality]

From Rush the Court this morning in their AAAAAAAAAAAAAAC report:

"While*Xavier*is talking about how its victory over*Cincinnati*in the Crosstown Classic is*going to propel the Musketeers to success, the Bearcats are left picking up the pieces from what was an ugly blowout loss on Saturday.*Mick Cronin’s bunch has now lost two games in row in their first two real tests of the season and they haven’t looked like much of a Tournament team in either game. The Musketeers controlled the game from the opening tip and they didn’t even need the services of their best player,*Semaj Christon, who was hampered throughout the contest with foul trouble. Xavier is a legitimately excellent defensive team, but the Bearcats were woefully inept on offense and the sense is that this will be a theme throughout the season. The team shot 32 percent from the field and*Sean Kilpatrick*is the only player Cronin can put on the court with above-average offensive ability. Justin Jackson is an elite athlete but can hardly be considered a polished offensive product;*Titus Rubles*is a good player but may have even less offensive ability than Jackson; and*Shaquille Thomas,*Troy Caupain*and*Jermaine Lawrence*have potential but remain too inconsistent to be counted on regularly. Their ordinarily staunch defense never fully showed up either as they forced 20 turnovers but let the Musketeers shoot the lights out on them from everywhere on the court. There is enough talent on the roster and a distinct lack thereof on many of the other teams in the conference so the Bearcats will win some games, but no one is going to take them seriously until they can consistently put the ball in the basket. - See more at: http://rushthecourt.net/2013/12/16/aac-m5-12-16-13"

[Masterofreality]

It will be interesting to see what happens come tourney selection time if the Big East has a couple teams on the bubble, and how much ESPN talks about them when speculating the brackets.


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If you want the answer to that, just refer back to Jay Bil-asses comments about how Xavier didn't deserve to be in the Dance over an 8th place Big East team a few years ago. Rinse and Repeat.

[fellahmuskie]

Not related to recent posts, but I just want to say how great it is to be a Xavier fan and how it must suck to root for UC. Good for the die-hards over there that stick with their program, but they're dropping fast. Xavier has a great arena, top coach, its best recruiting class ever and a premier basketball conference lined up. The thought that Xavier needs the Shootout more than UC is hilarious. We could drop it in an instant and no one would notice. And if that happens, 5 years from now you can bet UC's new coach will come crawling to Cintas begging for a chance to play a perennial top-25 school. If Xavier's nice, they might accept. There's a better chance of X striking up a rivalry with OSU down the road than of UC being close enough to Xavier's class to make it interesting.

[xubrew]

Someday (hopefully) we will get to a point where fans will determine content and networks power to control content to further an agenda will be reduced. We aren't there yet though. For ESPN marginalizing the Big East is just good business. They need FS1 to fail if they want to continue their monopoly on sports content.


It's amazing what a difference conference re-alignment makes to the news feed.
Last year they couldn't get enough at ESPN of playing up the rematch after the year before.
This year the biggest story is Syracuse beating St. John's and I can't even find any mention in the Saturday recap of important games.

From one of 8 historic rivalries in the country...to no mention. They must not like Fox I guess.


There were 6000 empty seats. Can you really blame ESPN for showing no interest in the game when the city of Cincinnati didn't seem to show all that much interest either??

Syracuse vs Saint John's was also on Fox Sports One, yet they didn't seem to underplay that game. Had either XU or UC been ranked #2 in the nation, and had the game been close, ESPN would have probably been more interested in it.

The Shootout didn't have a nationally relevant storyline or meaning this year. Neither team was ranked. Neither team had any big wins. It wasn't the first game after the brawl. For the fourth straight year, the game was pretty much decided before the end of the first half.

We got about as much coverage and attention as Indiana vs Notre Dame got. I don't think ESPN has an anti-Big Ten or anti-ACC agenda. Hell, you'd think they'd have billed that game as the tiebreaker to determine who would win the Big ten vs ACC challenge if they really had an agenda.

[94GRAD]

Espn only show highlights of teams that are currently in the Espn top 25. Nothing to do with conference affiliation.

[Fireball]

I can't speak to Lachey personally, but it seems that everyone is a big UC fan during shootout week. If half those people attended even 3-5 UC home games per year UC wouldn't have attendance problems. The casual fan is the bane of UC's existence right now. They have too many of them and not enough die hards.

The problem is this town. There are still people who won't go to Reds games because of the 1994 strike. There are still UC fans that won't go because of the fact that they got rid of Huggins. It's going to take an extended period of success to bring the fans back, and they haven't had that yet.

I love Cincinnati, but people in this town are f'ing crazy when it comes to something like that.

[Masterofreality]

We got about as much coverage and attention as Indiana vs Notre Dame got. I don't think ESPN has an anti-Big Ten or anti-ACC agenda. Hell, you'd think they'd have billed that game as the tiebreaker to determine who would win the Big ten vs ACC challenge if they really had an agenda.

What? The IU/ND game Was ON ESPN...and you do know that ESPN has a huge contract with the ACC now right? Of course, they'd play up that Syracuse won...because they enhance their ACC product and demean the Big East.

Sorry, Brew but your post makes absolutely no sense.

[xubrew]

The problem is this town. There are still people who won't go to Reds games because of the 1994 strike. There are still UC fans that won't go because of the fact that they got rid of Huggins. It's going to take an extended period of success to bring the fans back, and they haven't had that yet.

I love Cincinnati, but people in this town are f'ing crazy when it comes to something like that.

I could write a doctoral thesis on how much I agree with this post.

Don't forget the "Well, if team A is good, then people will care less about team B" argument as well. That is very uniquely Cincinnati. The Bengals are good, so people care less about UC basketball. It's a good thing they don't live in Boston, I guess. I believe there is a period in October where the Patriots, Bruins, Celtics and Red Sox are all playing at the same time. Cincinnati would crash like an overloaded hard drive.

[GoMuskies]

It's a good thing they don't live in Boston, I guess. I believe there is a period in October where the Patriots, Bruins, Celtics and Red Sox are all playing at the same time.

It is true, of course, that largely because of this no one pays any attention to college sports in Boston. They have four Division I schools in the city, and if they all played on the same night (unless BC was playing Duke or UNC) I doubt the aggregate attendance would approach 10,000.

[Burrcats]

Burr, it obviously isn't a direct comparison, but the theme is consistent: St. Joe's renovated their on campus basketball facility, but did not materially increase capacity. As I understand it, Hagan Arena is a nice facility, but it's too small at <4k capacity. They've really boxed themselves in over there - no pun intended.

UC's renovation of Nippert rightly is focused on high revenue enhancements (i.e. luxury suites, etc.), but overall capacity, as I understand it, still will not exceed 40k.

The point is obvious: should conference expansion come around again, would UC be attractive enough to the Big12 given that capacity constraint? Schools like Texas, OU, OSU, etc. are going to be shaking their heads over your capacity.

Perhaps it wouldn't be a problem for the ACC, given BC's stadium, Wake's stadium and Miami's consistently terrible home attendance, but, then again, there can be no assurances that UC even is on the ACC's radar for expansion.

I actually like Nippert; I like how it is situated. The drawings of the renovation look nice. But a 40k stadium in today's arms race seems to me to be a road to hell.

The former AD Mike Thomas (now at Illinois) did a very poor job of running the athletic department. He hired coaches well including Brian Kelly, Butch Jones and Mick Cronin, but his fundraising efforts and day to day operations were MAC-like. During that time of the undefeated football season and second consecutive BCS Bowl appearance would have been a GREAT time to decide to upgrade Nippert Stadium. However, they elected to wait until after being left out of the major conferences to pursue it, sort of as a last ditch effort.

Regardless, this renovation was necessary because Nippert was badly in need of upgrades in the fan amenities area and the athletic department is badly in need of revenue due to the new TV deal. When done for the 2015 season, it should look pretty nice. The overhaul of the entire athletic department is to position UC for further realignment within the next decade, not necessarily next year.

Here is where most UC fans get on me-- I do not believe UC is going to get into the Big 12. Texas holds all the power, and there really is no advantage to them added schools like UC, USF or UCF merely to get into the markets of Ohio or Florida. Texas is better off holding out in the Big 12 as long as possible, and if it does eventually fall apart, they have the option of joining any conference they want. The ACC ship has sailed, the conference now has penetrated the Ohio Valley area with Louisville and adding UC doesn't benefit the conference much.

I foresee further conference realignment before then end of this decade (we will get a better idea from the NCAA meetings in January), and hopefully by that time UC will have a new basketball arena to play in along with a nice Nippert.

[xubrew]

It is true, of course, that largely because of this no one pays any attention to college sports in Boston. They have four Division I schools in the city, and if they all played on the same night (unless BC was playing Duke or UNC) I doubt the aggregate attendance would approach 10,000.

For basketball they don't, at least when the teams are as bad as they generally are. For hockey, I think Boston U and Boston College average 10,000+. That's the impression I'm under. I could look it up, but I'm too lazy to do it. Harvard does pretty well for hockey as well.

[Burrcats]

Not related to recent posts, but I just want to say how great it is to be a Xavier fan and how it must suck to root for UC. Good for the die-hards over there that stick with their program, but they're dropping fast. Xavier has a great arena, top coach, its best recruiting class ever and a premier basketball conference lined up. The thought that Xavier needs the Shootout more than UC is hilarious. We could drop it in an instant and no one would notice. And if that happens, 5 years from now you can bet UC's new coach will come crawling to Cintas begging for a chance to play a perennial top-25 school. If Xavier's nice, they might accept. There's a better chance of X striking up a rivalry with OSU down the road than of UC being close enough to Xavier's class to make it interesting.

1. You are painting a picture that is a great exaggeration of reality. Xavier is going to continue to be a successful program and so is Cincinnati. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if this current UC team made the NCAA tournament.

2. The University of Cincinnati dominated this city playing in a less than major conference, probably one equivalent to the American. Xavier had more success when the roles were reversed (UC in BE and X in A-10). Wouldn't be so certain that this is a given.

3. Sorry but Ohio State will NEVER regularly schedule Xavier, Cincinnati or Dayton in basketball and Cincinnati in football. You should know this by now. Ohio State wants to dominate the state and be the favored team of everyone. By regularly playing the strongest in-state competition, it gives a reason for fans in Cincinnati or Dayton to root against the Buckeyes. They want to keep playing the MAC level schools where a large portion of the alums are OSU fans anyways. In an ideal world, every alum of a school in Ohio will root for Ohio State along with their alma mater.

[GoMuskies]

For basketball they don't, at least when the teams are as bad as they generally are. For hockey, I think Boston U and Boston College average 10,000+.

They get good crowds for the Beanpot, but average 10k? Boston U's building is definitely not that big. (It turns out the Conte Forum doesn't hold 10k at BC either; that place is a dump, by the way).

BC averaged 6,384 last year (and won the national title, I think).

BU averaged 4,527.

Harvard averaged 2,306.

Northeastern 2,804.

[muskiefan82]

1. You are painting a picture that is a great exaggeration of reality. Xavier is going to continue to be a successful program and so is Cincinnati. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if this current UC team made the NCAA tournament.

2. The University of Cincinnati dominated this city playing in a less than major conference, probably one equivalent to the American. Xavier had more success when the roles were reversed (UC in BE and X in A-10). Wouldn't be so certain that this is a given.

3. Sorry but Ohio State will NEVER regularly schedule Xavier, Cincinnati or Dayton in basketball and Cincinnati in football. You should know this by now. Ohio State wants to dominate the state and be the favored team of everyone. By regularly playing the strongest in-state competition, it gives a reason for fans in Cincinnati or Dayton to root against the Buckeyes. They want to keep playing the MAC level schools where a large portion of the alums are OSU fans anyways. In an ideal world, every alum of a school in Ohio will root for Ohio State along with their alma mater.

Damn. He makes good points. I might end up liking this poster.

[GoMuskies]

They get good crowds for the Beanpot, but average 10k? Boston U's building is definitely not that big. (It turns out the Conte Forum doesn't hold 10k at BC either; that place is a dump, by the way).

BC averaged 6,384 (4,244) last year (and won the national title, I think).

BU averaged 4,527 (750!).

Harvard averaged 2,306 (1,786).

Northeastern 2,804 (2,016).

Because I'm bored, basketball is in (parens) next to hockey.

[xubrew]

They get good crowds for the Beanpot, but average 10k? Boston U's building is definitely not that big. (It turns out the Conte Forum doesn't hold 10k at BC either; that place is a dump, by the way).

BC averaged 6,384 last year (and won the national title, I think).

BU averaged 4,527.

Harvard averaged 2,306.

Northeastern 2,804.


I just looked it up. You're right. I was way off in what I thought the attendance was. Maybe that's not a good example.

I would have used Philly as an example, but their teams generally aren't that good.

Still, I stand by my general belief that Cincinnati is perhaps the only place where you'd ever hear "because team A is good, no one cares about team B anymore." Especially if you're talking about two different sports.

Wisconsin's basketball team sells out every game before the season even starts. They've had some very good football teams over the years. In Cincinnati, they'd only have enough energy to focus on one team at a time. I know the Packers aren't in Madison, but the team has a presence throughout the entire state. So do the Badgers. The state seams to have a strong interest in the Packers, and Wiscy football, and Wiscy basketball.

Michigan has good football too (well, at least storied football). They are also in close proximity to the Pistons, Lions and Red Wings. Now, I have no idea how good any of those teams actually are, but I assume some of them are at least okay, and Michigan still gets good basketball support when they're winning.

Michigan State has been ramming them in for both football and basketball too.

The Steelers have had some good teams, and that never seemed to bother Pitt's basketball attendance.

You get the idea. I've never heard that anywhere other than Cincinnati.

[throwbackmuskie]

The only reason why uc "dominated" in the past was because they were the larger school in the city. Once Xavier started to really move basketball up, 88-89 or so they started to close the gap. UC will always have more fans because they have more students, however they are fair weather at best. Burrcat brought up the BCS bowls and the fact that uc schould have expanded then, why? They still were not selling out. Think about it, they had about 22k per game this year, that would have looked good if Nippert had been bigger. :(

Xavier is the premier program in the city, remember the Big East came to them for basketball. Only reason why the OBE took uc last time was because of football. Since 88-89 Xavier has been on an upward trend. uc in the same time was on a level plane, small bump (OBE) and now have crashed back down.

[Milhouse]

We've got Bigger fish to fry this year.

[fellahmuskie]

Burrcat, all I'll say is that I agree that I'm providing an extremely optimistic view of what will happen. Plenty of things could derail it - UC getting a great coach, Xavier not really having a long-term strategy in place or Chris Mack failing in the long run, the current BE turning into a flop, etc.

But as a Xavier fan that's what I think will be the case. The last few years have been relatively difficult for Xavier, but my understanding is that the school is still determined to be a college basketball powerhouse. In my mind, that means Final Fours and a Nat'l Championship soon enough. We might be a top-30/40 program right now in terms of recognition, I think Xavier will be top-10.

I agree the OSU match-up is unlikely given their policy, but I think Xavier will be on their level very soon, a level no other Ohio school has been at since Cincy in the 90s.

As for Cincy, I don't see any of that happening. Perhaps you'll turn it around or perhaps I'm way off projecting Xavier's future.

[nuts4xu]

2. The University of Cincinnati dominated this city playing in a less than major conference, probably one equivalent to the American.


I am not sure what point you are making here, as it seems factually incorrect. UC hasn't dominated "this city" in well over 35 years, in fact we have won 20 of the past 35 (credit to MOR on this stat). It is true they dominated Conference USA when Huggins was there, but even Huggins has a losing record against Xavier in his career. They may have garnered more press, and their Final Four certainly shined a light on the city that hasn't been seen in decades. But this series has not been dominated by anyone, and if anything, Xavier has the upper hand.




Xavier had more success when the roles were reversed (UC in BE and X in A-10). Wouldn't be so certain that this is a given.



This is the first year Xavier and UC have moved into their new conferences, it is not accurate to say "Xavier had more success when the roles were reversed". We did have success in the A-10, but haven't even begun the conference portion of our schedule in the Big East...and UC hasn't started playing their AAC brothers yet. Can't figure out what your point is here, but I can agree it is not a given Xavier will become the flagship of the Big East, as we were in the A-10. History seems to indicate they will, as they have been in all the conferences they have played in so far, but there is nothing guaranteed in this life.

But it hasn't played out, and there is no way to say UC had more success in the Big East at this point in time.

[Burrcats]

I am not sure what point you are making here, as it seems factually incorrect. UC hasn't dominated "this city" in well over 35 years, in fact we have won 20 of the past 35 (credit to MOR on this stat). It is true they dominated Conference USA when Huggins was there, but even Huggins has a losing record against Xavier in his career. They may have garnered more press, and their Final Four certainly shined a light on the city that hasn't been seen in decades. But this series has not been dominated by anyone, and if anything, Xavier has the upper hand.


Dominating the city isn't exclusive to who wins the Crosstown shootout. The post I was responding to was indicating that because Xavier is now in a premier conference, they will be the dominant program. I was simply arguing that Cincinnati in Conference USA was one of the premier programs in the nation, while Cincinnati in the Big East was not nearly as nationally relevant.



This is the first year Xavier and UC have moved into their new conferences, it is not accurate to say "Xavier had more success when the roles were reversed". We did have success in the A-10, but haven't even begun the conference portion of our schedule in the Big East...and UC hasn't started playing their AAC brothers yet. Can't figure out what your point is here, but I can agree it is not a given Xavier will become the flagship of the Big East, as we were in the A-10. History seems to indicate they will, as they have been in all the conferences they have played in so far, but there is nothing guaranteed in this life.

But it hasn't played out, and there is no way to say UC had more success in the Big East at this point in time.

Again, the point I was making was when UC was in the Big East and Xavier was in the A-10, Xavier was much more successful that Cincinnati...so being in a premier conference isn't a primary determinant of success. As long as both programs continue to win, they can easily share the spotlight. Being a highly competitive college basketball school isn't mutually exclusive to just Xavier or just UC.

[Masterofreality]

For the record, I like and respect Burrcat. Well done coming on this board, sir, making salient points, not trolling and no being offended. Congrats. Welcome and public reps.

While I hate the institution SucKS and the things that I posted to lead this thread off, I don't hate all the people of UC.

[xubrew]

1. You are painting a picture that is a great exaggeration of reality. Xavier is going to continue to be a successful program and so is Cincinnati. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if this current UC team made the NCAA tournament.

2. The University of Cincinnati dominated this city playing in a less than major conference, probably one equivalent to the American. Xavier had more success when the roles were reversed (UC in BE and X in A-10). Wouldn't be so certain that this is a given.

3. Sorry but Ohio State will NEVER regularly schedule Xavier, Cincinnati or Dayton in basketball and Cincinnati in football. You should know this by now. Ohio State wants to dominate the state and be the favored team of everyone. By regularly playing the strongest in-state competition, it gives a reason for fans in Cincinnati or Dayton to root against the Buckeyes. They want to keep playing the MAC level schools where a large portion of the alums are OSU fans anyways. In an ideal world, every alum of a school in Ohio will root for Ohio State along with their alma mater.

If you mean that UC dominated the city in terms of attention, then yes, they pretty much did all throughout their CUSA days. I wouldn't say they dominated the series, though.

I think UC has more in common with the likes of UMass or San Diego State or Utah than with the likes of Michigan State, or Wisconsin, or even Louisville. When UC is in the rankings and on the national stage, they're a big deal and they're sold out every night, and the ones who didn't get tickets wish they had them. Just like UMass under Calipari. Just like San Diego State now, and just like Utah was under Majerus. It's more of a fad than it is a strong and passionate fanbase who's program has sustained constant and long term success. It's a half empty house most of the night for OOC games, and people just shrug off the team's struggles and claim that they're not really a basketball school anymore. I moved to Cincinnati in 1998, and UC basketball was king of the mountain, and stayed that way until about 2004-2005. It really hasn't been kind of the mountain since then. Not even close. It's looked very much the way UMass and Utah looked in the recent years prior to this season.

[X-band '01]

My biggest concern going forward is a new arena for basketball, it apparently will cost a ton to renovate the Shoe, so it may be best for UC to actually just build a new one entirely. There were also some rumors about UC partially funding a project to renovate US Bank Arena and make UC basketball the primary tenant. I wonder what Mick would want to do with the shootout then...lol.

I would have to think the Cincinnati Gardens is another option if UC does wind up either renovating or razing the Shoe for building a new on-campus arena. They wouldn't be paying as much rent (you would think) at the Gardens as they would downtown, and you would have ample parking on-site. You also have to book games around the Cyclones and other concerts taking place at USBank. Nowadays, I think the only things taking place at the Gardens are high school hockey games.

[GoMuskies]

UC playing home games at the Gardens (if only for a year or two) would be high comedy.

[coasterville95]

I didn't think the Gardens had a basketball floor anymore. It might be cheaper but I would think they would see it as a downgrade, not to mention the jeering they would get from us. Then again were the cyclones as big last time they used the Coliseum?

[Burrcats]

If you mean that UC dominated the city in terms of attention, then yes, they pretty much did all throughout their CUSA days. I wouldn't say they dominated the series, though.

I think UC has more in common with the likes of UMass or San Diego State or Utah than with the likes of Michigan State, or Wisconsin, or even Louisville. When UC is in the rankings and on the national stage, they're a big deal and they're sold out every night, and the ones who didn't get tickets wish they had them. Just like UMass under Calipari. Just like San Diego State now, and just like Utah was under Majerus. It's more of a fad than it is a strong and passionate fanbase who's program has sustained constant and long term success. It's a half empty house most of the night for OOC games, and people just shrug off the team's struggles and claim that they're not really a basketball school anymore. I moved to Cincinnati in 1998, and UC basketball was king of the mountain, and stayed that way until about 2004-2005. It really hasn't been kind of the mountain since then. Not even close. It's looked very much the way UMass and Utah looked in the recent years prior to this season.

Yes, dominated the city in terms of attention is exactly what I mean. The fan base has never really gotten behind Cronin, for whatever reason. All things considered it a minor miracle he got us to this point. I do think he has leveled off however. I see UC has a perennial tournament team, but around a 6-10 seed.



I would have to think the Cincinnati Gardens is another option if UC does wind up either renovating or razing the Shoe for building a new on-campus arena. They wouldn't be paying as much rent (you would think) at the Gardens as they would downtown, and you would have ample parking on-site. You also have to book games around the Cyclones and other concerts taking place at USBank. Nowadays, I think the only things taking place at the Gardens are high school hockey games.

Regional high level concerts are passing over Cincinnati for places like Columbus and Louisville (example: Justin Timberlake concert this weekend) because they have state of the art facilities. Part of the reason I feel the best outcome for all parties involved is a renovated US Bank Arena is because it can attract those types of concert along with NCAA tournament games. With the University of Cincinnati as its primary tenant there is likely year long revenue for the downtown area. Wishful thinking on my end probably. Cincinnati will not play in the Garden.



For the record, I like and respect Burrcat. Well done coming on this board, sir, making salient points, not trolling and no being offended. Congrats. Welcome and public reps.

While I hate the institution SucKS and the things that I posted to lead this thread off, I don't hate all the people of UC.

All UC fans aren't so bad...lol (most message board UC fans are pretty awful though).

[xudash]

Yes, dominated the city in terms of attention is exactly what I mean. The fan base has never really gotten behind Cronin, for whatever reason. All things considered it a minor miracle he got us to this point. I do think he has leveled off however. I see UC has a perennial tournament team, but around a 6-10 seed.




Regional high level concerts are passing over Cincinnati for places like Columbus and Louisville (example: Justin Timberlake concert this weekend) because they have state of the art facilities. Part of the reason I feel the best outcome for all parties involved is a renovated US Bank Arena is because it can attract those types of concert along with NCAA tournament games. With the University of Cincinnati as its primary tenant there is likely year long revenue for the downtown area. Wishful thinking on my end probably. Cincinnati will not play in the Garden.




All UC fans aren't so bad...lol (most message board UC fans are pretty awful though).

An excellent strategic comment. Such a renovation would benefit UC while absolutely benefiting the City of Cincinnati. Your a good Egg Burrcats.

[X-band '01]

Regional high level concerts are passing over Cincinnati for places like Columbus and Louisville (example: Justin Timberlake concert this weekend) because they have state of the art facilities. Part of the reason I feel the best outcome for all parties involved is a renovated US Bank Arena is because it can attract those types of concert along with NCAA tournament games. With the University of Cincinnati as its primary tenant there is likely year long revenue for the downtown area. Wishful thinking on my end probably. Cincinnati will not play in the Garden.


#1 - I don't know who technically owns USBank Arena, so I would wonder if it becomes a feasible option for UC (and then the Ohio taxpayers) to foot the bill for renovations.

#2 - Don't lose sleep over Cincinnati not hosting NCAA Tournament games. If you read this board long enough, we love to give Dayton fans shit for bragging about HOSTING tournament games (mostly play-in games) as opposed to PLAYING in the tournament itself.

[XUFan09]

I don't like the idea of hosting tournament games, because it increases the probability of Xavier playing far away in their own games. When places as close as Louisville, Lexington, Columbus, or Indianapolis host games, though, Xavier has a decent shot of only having minor travel with a lot of fans attending.

[GoMuskies]

NKU is Division I now. Perhaps they could host the games in a new and/or improved downtown Cincinnati arena so that Xavier is eligible to play there.

[danaandvictory]

I of course can't find the effing post, but wanted to credit MOR - after watching the tape that call on Stainbrook on the alley oop was incorrect. Live it looked like he backed in but on the tape it's pretty clear Rubles landed on his back.

[xudash]

NKU is Division I now. Perhaps they could host the games in a new and/or improved downtown Cincinnati arena so that Xavier is eligible to play there.

And in consideration for allowing NKU to host it in Cincinnati, they arrange to have Kentucky taxpayers pay for the improvements. That should take care of it! Move the project forward.

[gladdenguy]

In case you didn't see it yet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4o07zUJi6ro

[powerofX]

In case you didn't see it yet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4o07zUJi6ro

Conspiracy guy in me thinks they added the historical footage to this year's highlights as a sort of "well, that was nice while it lasted"...we win the last one!

[Burrcats]

#1 - I don't know who technically owns USBank Arena, so I would wonder if it becomes a feasible option for UC (and then the Ohio taxpayers) to foot the bill for renovations.


Nederlander group is the owner of US Bank Arena. There were unconfirmed rumors a while back that they have inquired about a 100 million renovation to US Bank. The question is would they front the entire project, or require UC to partially fund it.



#2 - Don't lose sleep over Cincinnati not hosting NCAA Tournament games. If you read this board long enough, we love to give Dayton fans shit for bragging about HOSTING tournament games (mostly play-in games) as opposed to PLAYING in the tournament itself.

There are opportunities for more events in the city. If you look at the TV ratings for the NCAA tournament, Cincinnati is consistently one of the top markets along with Columbus and Louisville. I feel by having a hosting site here (along with big concerts) it will bring a lot of money to the city. I know it would suck if Kentucky, Louisville or OSU fans were flooding the banks but it would benefit the city.



NKU is Division I now. Perhaps they could host the games in a new and/or improved downtown Cincinnati arena so that Xavier is eligible to play there.

I believe the NCAA requires a minimum of 12,000 seats and they also have press room requirements. Bank of Kentucky Center would have to be expanded by around 2.5k seats, not sure about the press room situation.

[GoMuskies]

I believe the NCAA requires a minimum of 12,000 seats and they also have press room requirements. Bank of Kentucky Center would have to be expanded by around 2.5k seats, not sure about the press room situation.

I was talking about NKU being the host institution at a new or renovated downtown Cincinnati arena. UC and Xavier could then be placed there by the Selection Committee (unless that became UC's home arena). There's no way NKU could host at their on-campus place.

[X-band '01]

Conspiracy guy in me thinks they added the historical footage to this year's highlights as a sort of "well, that was nice while it lasted"...we win the last one!

It was also a nice touch to get a few shots of Huggins in the video but totally stiff the gnome.

[Burrcats]

I was talking about NKU being the host institution at a new or renovated downtown Cincinnati arena. UC and Xavier could then be placed there by the Selection Committee (unless that became UC's home arena). There's no way NKU could host at their on-campus place.

My bad, misunderstood what you meant. I will say that Bank of Kentucky is a pretty nice arena.

I am not exactly sure how the hosting process works. For example, last year Cincinnati played at the Wells Fargo Arena in Philadelphia and Temple University was the host even though Villanova actually played more games there than Temple did.

[DoubleD86]

There are opportunities for more events in the city. If you look at the TV ratings for the NCAA tournament, Cincinnati is consistently one of the top markets along with Columbus and Louisville. I feel by having a hosting site here (along with big concerts) it will bring a lot of money to the city. I know it would suck if Kentucky, Louisville or OSU fans were flooding the banks but it would benefit the city.

I have lived in Indianapolis for the past 4 years now. When the Super Bowl came to town, they aired this special on how sporting events and entertainment events has allowed the city to become what it is now. I will always be a Cincinnati boy, but I do have to say I have come to love Indianapolis. The city has been put together and run incredibly well and led to an awesome atmosphere downtown.

I think Burrcats has absolutely nailed it here. If Cincinnati can do something to attract big time events (for instance in the past month Indy has had Drake, JT, Pink, Selena Gomez, RBB Circus, Disney on Ice, etc all in Banker's Life) to the downtown area it does wonders for the city. Not only the direct revenue being brought in, but all of the extra revenue that would be brought in to hotels, restaurants, bars and The Banks.

[nuts4xu]

I am not exactly sure how the hosting process works. For example, last year Cincinnati played at the Wells Fargo Arena in Philadelphia and Temple University was the host even though Villanova actually played more games there than Temple did.

I think it only matters if the venue is a full time home court. I believe Xavier or UC can host at US Bank because they only play 1 game each. They can't be placed in the Cincinnati bracket if games are played at either Cintas or Fifth Third respectively, but they should be able to play in US Bank if that is the venue with tourney games.

At least, this is the way I understand it...I could be wrong.

[GoMuskies]

I think it only matters if the venue is a full time home court. I believe Xavier or UC can host at US Bank because they only play 1 game each. They can't be placed in the Cincinnati bracket if games are played at either Cintas or Fifth Third respectively, but they should be able to play in US Bank if that is the venue with tourney games.

At least, this is the way I understand it...I could be wrong.

If you're the host, you cannot play there, even if it is not your home court.

[Burrcats]

I think it only matters if the venue is a full time home court. I believe Xavier or UC can host at US Bank because they only play 1 game each. They can't be placed in the Cincinnati bracket if games are played at either Cintas or Fifth Third respectively, but they should be able to play in US Bank if that is the venue with tourney games.

At least, this is the way I understand it...I could be wrong.

Gomuskies is correct, the host school cannot play at that site regardless. Last year Duke was the 2 seed in the region, I wonder if Villanova was a 2 seed if they would get placed in the bracket. I know North Carolina and Duke almost always get placed in the Greensboro region...

[xubrew]

My bad, misunderstood what you meant. I will say that Bank of Kentucky is a pretty nice arena.

I am not exactly sure how the hosting process works. For example, last year Cincinnati played at the Wells Fargo Arena in Philadelphia and Temple University was the host even though Villanova actually played more games there than Temple did.

The minimum venue size is 13,500.

The way hosting works is that schools put in bids for the joyous privilege and opportunity of doing all the NCAA's work for them, and managing the event for them, in exchange for basically nothing. It's a great system.

On top of that, you cannot play at a site if you're the host. If you've played more than three regular season games at a site, you cannot be placed there either. It would be odd that you'd play three regular season games at a site that wasn't your home court, but there are some exceptions (IE Hartford for UConn, the Spokane Arena for Gonzaga, etc).

If your team is in the tournament, there is a very good chance that you can't go. The reason?? You'll be stuck working back at home while hosting the games.

I don't understand why anyone would ever want to host NCAA Tournament games. I'm serious. It's a big pain in the ass with no real payoff. There is literally no reward. If your team gets in, you can't play at the site you're hosting, you have to work the entire time, and you don't get to go see your own team play. No thanks.

[coasterville95]

I thought I heard at one time UC and XU took a joint tour of US Bank with a member of the commuter that selects host sites to determine, at a minimum, what all would need to be done to US Bank Arena a viable host candidate.

As an X fan and a Cincinnati resident, I could get behind UC footing the bill to modernize/replace US Bank Arena and i reap the benefits in terms of better show offerings Though, wasn't the Shoe, much like Cintas, built to get out of having to rent arenas and get the games back on campus, which eliminates having to transport students while generating more revenue for yourself in terms of concessions, parking, fans visiting the bookstore, fans visiting other on campus dining options etc.

I haven't been in The Gardens since the Mighty Ducks left, what kind of shape is that old barn in. It wasn't in great shape when we left it for Cintas.

[Burrcats]

The minimum venue size is 13,500.

The way hosting works is that schools put in bids for the joyous privilege and opportunity of doing all the NCAA's work for them, and managing the event for them, in exchange for basically nothing. It's a great system.

On top of that, you cannot play at a site if you're the host. If you've played more than three regular season games at a site, you cannot be placed there either. It would be odd that you'd play three regular season games at a site that wasn't your home court, but there are some exceptions (IE Hartford for UConn, the Spokane Arena for Gonzaga, etc).

If your team is in the tournament, there is a very good chance that you can't go. The reason?? You'll be stuck working back at home while hosting the games.

I don't understand why anyone would ever want to host NCAA Tournament games. I'm serious. It's a big pain in the ass with no real payoff. There is literally no reward. If your team gets in, you can't play at the site you're hosting, you have to work the entire time, and you don't get to go see your own team play. No thanks.

Looks like they changed the minimum venue size:

"Last spring the NCAA quietly lowered its minimum “sellable” capacity for the tournament’s opening weekend to 10,000, and then asked to meet with SDSU athletic director Jim Sterk when the Aztecs were in Columbus, Ohio, for their opening NCAA Tournament game against North Carolina State." (LINK (http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/Nov/12/viejas-arena-host-ncaa-mens-basketball-2014/))

Also, I don't really see it as a huge detriment to either UC or Xavier. Last year there were sites in Detroit, Lexington, Dayton and Philly. Those are reasonably close to Cincinnati to travel to. There are occasionally games in Columbus, Louisville, Pittsburgh, etc. Plenty of options for our schools to get a solid location. Cincinnati played in Nashville two years ago, that was a fun (and quick) trip.

[X-band '01]

The minimum venue size is 13,500.

The way hosting works is that schools put in bids for the joyous privilege and opportunity of doing all the NCAA's work for them, and managing the event for them, in exchange for basically nothing. It's a great system.

On top of that, you cannot play at a site if you're the host. If you've played more than three regular season games at a site, you cannot be placed there either. It would be odd that you'd play three regular season games at a site that wasn't your home court, but there are some exceptions (IE Hartford for UConn, the Spokane Arena for Gonzaga, etc).

If your team is in the tournament, there is a very good chance that you can't go. The reason?? You'll be stuck working back at home while hosting the games.

I don't understand why anyone would ever want to host NCAA Tournament games. I'm serious. It's a big pain in the ass with no real payoff. There is literally no reward. If your team gets in, you can't play at the site you're hosting, you have to work the entire time, and you don't get to go see your own team play. No thanks.

Another way to get around that would be for the conference itself to host a venue for whatever rounds. If the Big East is the host for games played at Madison Square Garden, for example, any Big East team would be allowed to play games there.

If the American Athletic Conference is the host, then any AAC team (including UC) would be able to play there.

But as Burrcats alluded to, it's more of an economic boost for the local coffers than it is for the actual institution itself. It wasn't until the late 80s or early 90s that schools were no longer allowed to play at the same site they were hosting. LSU was the last team that really parlayed a pair of home games into an eventual Final 4 run (way back in 1986).

[paulxu]

If your team is in the tournament, there is a very good chance that you can't go. The reason?? You'll be stuck working back at home while hosting the games.

Well, that certainly explains why Dayton hosts so many games.

[Masterofreality]

Any body watching that unwatchable Pitt/Cincy game at the Garden? Ahhhhh, yes. The Old Big East. 20-20 ugly at the half with about 15 people in Madison Square. Looks like ESPN's new baby, the AAAAAAAAAAAAAC, isn't much of a draw in New York since The Borecats and Memphis are on the bill.

Thank Gawd for the New Big East.

[GoMuskies]

I would expect a good crowd for Florida/Memphis. If I had tickets, I wouldn't show up early for Pitt/Cincinnati either.

I'm not sure anyone other than Justin Jackson even made the trip for UC.

[XUFan09]

Wow, Pitt hasn't scored a FG in ten minutes!

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[X-band '01]

Any body watching that unwatchable Pitt/Cincy game at the Garden?

No - I don't want to fall asleep while I'm cooking dinner.

[XUFan09]

Wow, Pitt hasn't scored a FG in ten minutes!

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I think we're at 13.

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[XUFan09]

I think we're at 13.

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As I say that, they FINALLY score.

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[GoMuskies]

The drought went from 14:54 to 1:09. And they're probably still going to win.

27 FT attempts for Pitt to UC's 3.

During the 13:45 stretch without a FG, Pitt amazingly only missed 7 FG attempts.

[XUFan09]

The drought went from 14:54 to 1:09. And they're probably still going to win.

27 FT attempts for Pitt to UC's 3.

They also had a drought for more than eight minutes earlier in the game. So, basically, Pitt didn't score a FG for more than half the minutes of the game. They've also missed four FTs in the last two minutes.

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[GoMuskies]

They might get a win after all.

[RealDeal]

That was ugly.

[Burrcats]

That was a pretty ugly game, but the main reason the scoring was so low was the tempo.

Jeff (BPredict) ‏@BPredict 1m

Pitt/Cincinnati finished with 0.91 PPP. Below average, but it won't be one of the top 1000 worst offensive games this season.

[GoMuskies]

So UC is good enough to beat a 10-0 ACC team on a neutral floor? I'm never going to celebrate UC winning, but that's not a terrible sign for us.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

UC beating Pitt. is good for our RPI.

[Burrcats]

UC beating Pitt. is good for our RPI.

FYI, Cincinnati jumped 40 spots in the RPI with the win...I love early season RPI fluctuation.

[Xavgrad08]

Jamie Dixon consistently plays one of the worst non conference schedules. I am glad UC won because it helps us, but I think Pitt will prove to be a terrible team.

[paulxu]

Thank Gawd for the New Big East.

Amen.

[Juice]

Jamie Dixon consistently plays one of the worst non conference schedules. I am glad UC won because it helps us, but I think Pitt will prove to be a terrible team.

Yeah, I think they're best win so far was who? Penn St.? Stanford? There is a reason they were 10-0 and not ranked.

[Milhouse]

Pitt was picked to finish 6th in the ACC?

Absolutely no way.

It's always great after a UC victory, I don't really want them to win, but if they do it only makes our W look better.

I think they're probably a bubble team but I don't know. We wrote the book on how to beat them and New Mexico did as well. Just don't see them playing many quality opponents in the AAC. very slim margin for error there which is something they aren't used to.

[ammtd34]

The tempo was slower than the GCL, which is fine, but the shooting was horrible. A slow tempo can be effective, but you have to make shots. The teams combined to go 31-88 from the field, including 5-24 from 3. Those stats aren't related to tempo, they're related to bad shooting.

[XUFan09]

Neither team was awful in points per possession, but that is just amazingly slow tempo. UC won scoring 0.91 points per possession, while Xavier held them to 0.81 PPP. The key was that there were only 48 friggin' possessions in the game. I don't know how that's possible!

Xavier and UC had 58 possessions in their game. That was crazy slow in itself, because Xavier milked the clock in the second half. Ten more possessions in a game that was already slow before one team started running the shot clock practically to 0 every time down the floor. That's perspective for how awfully slow this game was.

[X-band '01]

So tell me again why the ACC is supposed to be SEC football on steroids?

[XU2011]

Now that Micky can't name drop the Big East every other sentence, he's moved on to describing the AAC conference play as "every game like WWIII" The man is a joke.

[RealDeal]

Mo's take on the game is great:

http://www.espn1530.com/pages/mo.html

[muskienick]

Mo's take on the game is great:

http://www.espn1530.com/pages/mo.html

Hilarious! I didn't know it was possible to get that much tongue in one's cheek!

[XUBand]

Hilarious! I didn't know it was possible to get that much tongue in one's cheek!

If there is a sports personality I hate more than Mo Egger in cincy, I don't know who it is... Lance McAllister is a close second though.

[ammtd34]

If there is a sports personality I hate more than Mo Egger in cincy, I don't know who it is... Lance McAllister is a close second though.

Why? Mo is obviously a UC fan, but always seems fair and kind of funny to me.

[ammtd34]

Now that Micky can't name drop the Big East every other sentence, he's moved on to describing the AAC conference play as "every game like WWIII" The man is a joke.

At halftime, Andy Katz asked him if he was worried Pitt would play more zone. He said, "We used to play in a conference with Syracuse." Awesome.

[RealDeal]

Why? Mo is obviously a UC fan, but always seems fair and kind of funny to me.

+1

[GoMuskies]

I will give UC this: if we went out and played Pitt at a neutral site tomorrow and beat them by one point in the ugliest game ever played, I'd be thrilled.

We'd likely be around 5 point dogs to Pitt on a neutral floor (UC was a 6.5 point dog last night).

[casualfan]

I will give UC this: if we went out and played Pitt at a neutral site tomorrow and beat them by one point in the ugliest game ever played, I'd be thrilled.

We'd likely be around 5 point dogs to Pitt on a neutral floor (UC was a 6.5 point dog last night).

I couldn't agree more. If it came less than 3 days after being throttled by a rival I'd be even more thrilled.

[RealDeal]

At halftime, Andy Katz asked him if he was worried Pitt would play more zone. He said, "We used to play in a conference with Syracuse." Awesome.

Someone tell Mick to live in the now.

[X-band '01]

Mo's take on the game is great:

http://www.espn1530.com/pages/mo.html

I agree with one of the commenters on that blog - it would have been awesome had it been penned by jock-sniffing Paul Daugherty.

[Burrcats]

Neither team was awful in points per possession, but that is just amazingly slow tempo. UC won scoring 0.91 points per possession, while Xavier held them to 0.81 PPP. The key was that there were only 48 friggin' possessions in the game. I don't know how that's possible!

Xavier and UC had 58 possessions in their game. That was crazy slow in itself, because Xavier milked the clock in the second half. Ten more possessions in a game that was already slow before one team started running the shot clock practically to 0 every time down the floor. That's perspective for how awfully slow this game was.

Cincinnati was taking the shot clock to under 10 almost every possession. The only way to beat Pitt is to continuously cause them to switch by swinging the ball around. Not to mention Cincinnati rebounded 16 of their 33 misses, only to run the clock to under 10 again. Rarely do you see a team outscored at the free throw line by 18 points win the game.

[Fireball]

Kudos to UC for pulling out that game. That helps us a bit, because they inch closer to being a quality win for us.

Pitt has been playing cupcakes, but was undefeated before that game, so there's that. Pitt is probably a lower level tournament team, so it helps UC also.

[X-band '01]

Cincinnati was taking the shot clock to under 10 almost every possession. The only way to beat Pitt is to continuously cause them to switch by swinging the ball around. Not to mention Cincinnati rebounded 16 of their 33 misses, only to run the clock to under 10 again. Rarely do you see a team outscored at the free throw line by 18 points win the game.

Which is quite apropos in the Jimmy V Classic; Valvano was willing to milk possessions for long periods of time if necessary. The 1983 Championship was one reason the NCAA finally implemented a shot clock for the college game.

[Lamont Sanford]

According to the YTG..."that (Pitt) is a Top 15 team in my opinion." Thank God nobody else that matters shares that same opinion. Pitt has been dining on cupcakes all season long and their 10-0 record was very inflated.

Sorry, UC still sucks.

[XUFan09]

According to the YTG..."that (Pitt) is a Top 15 team in my opinion." Thank God nobody else that matters shares that same opinion. Pitt has been dining on cupcakes all season long and their 10-0 record was very inflated.

Sorry, UC still sucks.

To be fair, they have also been annihilating those cupcakes, not just beating them, which is generally indicative of a really good team. They also blew out a top 50 Stanford team on a neutral floor. Plus, Kenpom has them ranked 12th based off efficiency adjusted for SOS. Louisville actually has a worse SOS than them, but no one is questioning their relative quality. I don't know if Pitt is truly a top 15 team, but I'd bet they are a top 25 team.

[casualfan]

According to the YTG..."that (Pitt) is a Top 15 team in my opinion." Thank God nobody else that matters shares that same opinion. Pitt has been dining on cupcakes all season long and their 10-0 record was very inflated.

Sorry, UC still sucks.

http://kenpom.com/

I understand people look for any reason to hate on UC, but let's at least be accurate when looking.

[paulxu]

If I'm following this logic, and Pitt is a top 15 team, and YTG's group gets them by 1...and we beat YTG's group by 17...then we must be Top 5!

Also, will there be extra security at the Crosstown Shootout being played Saturday at the Cintas?

[Masterofreality]

With some time on my hands today, I've gone back and watched a couple of XU/Borecat games with YTG as the coach. The 2008 game at Fifth Rate Arena and the 2009 game at XU with Jordan Crawford vs Lance Stephenson.

While X won both games, the things the things that stick out are how many cheap shots SucKS played with. There were 6 technical fouls in the 2008 game where the Borecats tried to thug it up and then stuff like Dion Dixon throwing Tu to the ground while John Cahill's crew called no foul and Cashmere Wright blatantly grabbing Dante Jackson by the arm and, what should have been an intentional foul call, was just a common foul and precipitated a scuffle between Rashad Bishop and Crawford.

The bottom line is that any team under the Jaundiced Leprechaun, going back through history, is typically unskilled overall and relies on intimidation and the opposition just folding. His ability to coach any effective offense is non-existent.

It is going to be so much fun kicking that midget's ass the next few years. The hatred continues unabated.

[Cheesehead]

With some time on my hands today, I've gone back and watched a couple of XU/Borecat games with YTG as the coach. The 2008 game at Fifth Rate Arena and the 2009 game at XU with Jordan Crawford vs Lance Stephenson.

While X won both games, the things the things that stick out are how many cheap shots SucKS played with. There were 6 technical fouls in the 2008 game where the Borecats tried to thug it up and then stuff like Dion Dixon throwing Tu to the ground while John Cahill's crew called no foul and Cashmere Wright blatantly grabbing Dante Jackson by the arm and, what should have been an intentional foul call, was just a common foul and precipitated a scuffle between Rashad Bishop and Crawford.

The bottom line is that any team under the Jaundiced Leprechaun, going back through history, is typically unskilled overall and relies on intimidation and the opposition just folding. His ability to coach any effective offense is non-existent.

It is going to be so much fun kicking that midget's ass the next few years. The hatred continues unabated.

This made me laugh out loud. Well done, MOR!

[RealDeal]

With some time on my hands today, I've gone back and watched a couple of XU/Borecat games with YTG as the coach. The 2008 game at Fifth Rate Arena and the 2009 game at XU with Jordan Crawford vs Lance Stephenson.

While X won both games, the things the things that stick out are how many cheap shots SucKS played with. There were 6 technical fouls in the 2008 game where the Borecats tried to thug it up and then stuff like Dion Dixon throwing Tu to the ground while John Cahill's crew called no foul and Cashmere Wright blatantly grabbing Dante Jackson by the arm and, what should have been an intentional foul call, was just a common foul and precipitated a scuffle between Rashad Bishop and Crawford.

The bottom line is that any team under the Jaundiced Leprechaun, going back through history, is typically unskilled overall and relies on intimidation and the opposition just folding. His ability to coach any effective offense is non-existent.

It is going to be so much fun kicking that midget's ass the next few years. The hatred continues unabated.

Yep, Lance Stephenson was jawing at Mack during that game, I wonder if Mick undressed him afterwards.