Tweets you DON'T Love

[Masterofreality]

I thought we already had a thread for this but I can't find it in cyberspace..so here we go.

@XavierTickets: Get your Lower Level Holiday Pack today! Buy 2 games, get 1 FREE. That's 3 games for $80. Buy now"

Seeing a number of empty lower level seats is telling me that some people did not renew their licenses. Plus, the last two games the attendance has been about 1,000 below capacity and XU is promoting that "move down" app.

Do not like.

[nuts4xu]

The crowd on Saturday was about as bad as I can remember. We had more people at the Garner Webb game.

We might not have had 7000 actual people in the seats.

[JTG]

I'm pissed cause I paid full price for a 4 Pack upstairs...now this comes out. I would say the masterful performance in Atlantis has caused usual ticket buyers to say " Screw it, I'll wait for some bargin promo".

[drudy23]

I think the loss to Iowa took the wind out of the sails. We win that game, we're likely in the Finals and likely looking at an 8-1 record, with great feelings going into the final phase of non-conference. With going 0-3, you can tell the fan base is thinking "another average year", and "it's time to just throw the freshman out here to let them learn"....not a good place to be with your fan base, and honestly, some may have started to lose faith.

The next month is big for this team. If they lay an egg in the next month, conference season may be brutal, and we may be looking at .500 for the year. But confidence is a huge factor, and this team has the potential to be good...but there's two ways potential can go...and it can be veered off course very quickly.

[casualfan]

It's going to be real interesting to see how attendance looks for the shootout.

It'll be embarrassing if we are outnumbered again, but I fear/expect that will be the case.

[drudy23]

It's going to be real interesting to see how attendance looks for the shootout.

It'll be embarrassing if we are outnumbered again, but I fear/expect that will be the case.

In a neutral site venue that holds that many people, we're always going to be outnumbered...we are more screwed by the move to a neutral site, and both fan bases know it. Home and home....or not at all.

[casualfan]

In a neutral site venue that holds that many people, we're always going to be outnumbered...we are more screwed by the move to a neutral site, and both fan bases know it. Home and home....or not at all.

Um, the arena holds 17,500 and we get half the tix so the fact we are outnumbered shouldn't matter. Last year it wasn't that UC brought more than 8700 it was that we brought significantly less.

I don't care what the circumstances are we ought to be able to get 8700 people to show up.

[danaandvictory]

The crowd on Saturday was about as bad as I can remember. We had more people at the Garner Webb game.

We might not have had 7000 actual people in the seats.

I could understand any walk-up types being scared off by the weather but even the season ticket holders stayed away.

I think it's a bit ominous, although it seems anecdotally like attendance is off this year a lot of places. Even Duke had a bunch of empty seats for one of their early-season gimmes. Certainly the X program has taken some hits in the last 24 months.

[X-band '01]

The problem here is if Xavier willingly scarfs up the 8700 allotted tickets, what's the incentive to come back on campus?

[nuts4xu]

The problem here is if Xavier willingly scarfs up the 8700 allotted tickets, what's the incentive to come back on campus?
I don't expect that to happen. We didn't scarf them up last year, and it would be surprising to see it again this year.

If they want to fill the place, make the ticket part of the season ticket package. I know a lot of season ticket holders that spend big bucks on their seats, but aren't willing to spend an extra $75 per seat to watch a game at US Bank. If our season ticket base is 8700 people, the only reason to NOT include in the season ticket package is more money.

But more money for who? The Freedom Center? That place should have been turned into a casino years ago.

It will be interesting to see what they do after this season. The game drew over 14k last year, and will likely do about the same this year. I don't know how the revenue works, but it seems the game would be more profitable to both schools to have it on their own campuses.

[wkrq59]

The two-year contract for this "experiment" ends with this game . Contract must be renewed. Koch at the behest of his master Mick is alrerady lobbying for permanent status for Riverfront Mausoleum and Xavier officials, especially new AD and Chris are saying campus or not at all.

[X-band '01]

I don't expect that to happen. We didn't scarf them up last year, and it would be surprising to see it again this year.

If they want to fill the place, make the ticket part of the season ticket package. I know a lot of season ticket holders that spend big bucks on their seats, but aren't willing to spend an extra $75 per seat to watch a game at US Bank. If our season ticket base is 8700 people, the only reason to NOT include in the season ticket package is more money.

But more money for who? The Freedom Center? That place should have been turned into a casino years ago.

It will be interesting to see what they do after this season. The game drew over 14k last year, and will likely do about the same this year. I don't know how the revenue works, but it seems the game would be more profitable to both schools to have it on their own campuses.

They could play the games on campus and still have a markup on the tickets to benefit the Freedom Center - I wouldn't have a problem with that.

But as we all know and suspect on the Xavier front, the Freedom Center was nothing more than a cover in order to get the 2 teams off campus and moved over to a neutral site. If I were a UC fan, I'd like my odds a lot better winning a pair of games on a neutral floor than a home-away series.

[blueblood]

Riverfront Mausoleum

Never heard it called that before, but it is an apt phrase. That venue sucks the life out of every event held there IMHO.

Oh, and as for the original topic, the student section attendance was terrible on Saturday -- looked a little more than half full. I was wondering why since evidently exams aren't until the week of 12/16.

[ammtd34]

Never heard it called that before, but it is an apt phrase. That venue sucks the life out of every event held there IMHO.


I'd agree except that Phish rocked the shit out of it in 2009 (and 2003).

[Kahns Krazy]

Shitty opponent, Saturday afternoon at 2:00 in the busy Christmas season, significant storm the day before, team on a losing streak, rules against bringing your own food in that rival Mike Brown, overpriced food and drinks.

I think it's a wonder that as many people showed up as they did. What exactly was the draw?

Don't worry about it. The team will continue to win games, the schedule will get stronger, and the holidays will pass. Come January, the house will be rocking.

[gladdenguy]

The two-year contract for this "experiment" ends with this game . Contract must be renewed. Koch at the behest of his master Mick is alrerady lobbying for permanent status for Riverfront Mausoleum and Xavier officials, especially new AD and Chris are saying campus or not at all.

I hope they stick to that. I go to every game at Cintas but I refuse to go down to that dump downtown.

I don't care about playing them at all. I just assume end it after this year unless they move it to campus. Xavier better hold their ground.

[Kahns Krazy]

Never heard it called that before, but it is an apt phrase. That venue sucks the life out of every event held there IMHO.

Oh, and as for the original topic, the student section attendance was terrible on Saturday -- looked a little more than half full. I was wondering why since evidently exams aren't until the week of 12/16.

I think the phrase is more apt for Millet up in Oxford. All of the suck of US Bank plus padded seats. If they had buried Jesus there, he would never have risen.

[Milhouse]

I think more than anything Weather played a huge factor. We'll see tomorrow night I suppose.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I hope they stick to that. I go to every game at Cintas but I refuse to go down to that dump downtown.

I don't care about playing them at all. I just assume end it after this year unless they move it to campus. Xavier better hold their ground.

This kind of annoys me. I don't live in Cincy anymore but if I did, I would go to every XU game I could regardless of venue.

[drudy23]

This kind of annoys me. I don't live in Cincy anymore but if I did, I would go to every XU game I could regardless of venue.

It's called principle...and I hope XU sticsk to it. There's no doubt XU would have continued this series on campus. This was, without a doubt, a ploy by UC to either 1) end the series (knowing they have the advantage at a neutral site, and knowing XU would ultimately end this without a home and home); or 2) never have to step foot in Cintas again where they know their success has been very limited. The problem is, they don't hold the big boy pants anymore.

Because of the altercation and having to "save face", they agreed to 2 years...it should rotate or not be played.

[gladdenguy]

This kind of annoys me. I don't live in Cincy anymore but if I did, I would go to every XU game I could regardless of venue.

US Bank kind of annoys me too.

Suggestions for you
1.) Move back to Cincinnati and pay 2 seat licenses and make a decision on whether to spend an extra $100 at a neutral site in town

2.) become a fan of a college around you and start paying seat licenses and make a decision if they play at a neutral site in town to spend an extra $100

3.) shut up

[BlueGuy]

I don't live in Cincy anymore, so it's easy for me to say this. I wouldn't go to the arena downtown. That place is horrible for watching hoops compared to Cintas. After the KState game, several years back, I vowed to never go there for a game again.

I really hope this is the end of us playing there.


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[casualfan]

I just hope we win Saturday.

IF we lose and people are still bitching about the venue it is going to sound like major major sour grapes.

[Milhouse]

I'd wish it go back to the Home and Home, but as a fan and a season ticketholder if the game is within 120 miles and my schedule is open there is absolutely NO reason why I won't go.

Any place on the banks going to be more Xavier Centric this year? Was at Moerlein House last year and it had very little blue.

Will be heading down at 3/4ish with my group to cheer on THE BIG EAST team of Cincinnati.

[LA Muskie]

It's called principle...and I hope XU sticsk to it. There's no doubt XU would have continued this series on campus. This was, without a doubt, a ploy by UC to either 1) end the series (knowing they have the advantage at a neutral site, and knowing XU would ultimately end this without a home and home); or 2) never have to step foot in Cintas again where they know their success has been very limited. The problem is, they don't hold the big boy pants anymore.

Because of the altercation and having to "save face", they agreed to 2 years...it should rotate or not be played.

Seems like an interesting "principle" to take since it only hurts the program you purport to love. But to each their own I guess.

[casualfan]

Seems like an interesting "principle" to take since it only hurts the program you purport to love. But to each their own I guess.

I think some folks are thinking that if they stay home eventually the drop in attendance will cause it to move back to campus.

They're dead wrong and I wish they'd realize that whether they show up or not will have no bearing on the matter, but like you said to each their own.

[GoMuskies]

I think some folks are thinking that if they stay home eventually the drop in attendance will cause it to move back to campus.


Or be cancelled altogether. Either ways is better than the status quo.

[drudy23]

Seems like an interesting "principle" to take since it only hurts the program you purport to love. But to each their own I guess.

Me not showing up doesn't "hurt" the program. In fact, watch and see what Xavier does at the end of this year when renewing at a neutral site comes up. My "principle" lines up with theirs.

PS - going to games and loving a program arent mutually exclusive. I go to plenty of games...but choosing not to go doesn't make one "less" of a fan.

[sgarcia]

Would people be opposed if they started to do the following starting next year:

1st year- At UC's dump of a gym
2nd year- Cintas Center
3rd year- Whatever the arena downtown is called

[Olsingledigit]

Would people be opposed if they started to do the following starting next year:

1st year- At UC's dump of a gym
2nd year- Cintas Center
3rd year- Whatever the arena downtown is called

I am an Indy Season Ticket (Club Seat) holder. I have been a season ticket holder since 1983. I will not go to the UC game at the dumpy arena in downtown Cincinnati. It should be held on the campuses. One reason I will not go is I refuse to be around UC fans. They are not fun to be around and I have no desire to have to walk to/from the arena with them. Secondly, the ticket prices are ridiculous. I choose my own charities to support (including Xavier) and don't need to give to the charity they select for this game. Third, the arena is a dump.

I am not holding out so they will change the location. If they do, fine, and if they don't then I won't attend. I also firmly believe the school wants it back on campus again. If UC won't do that then dump the series. For years I thought that this was a must have must play game. But not any longer. I would not miss them from the schedule and it would not hurt either program.

And finally, no I don't want the third year at the dumpy downtown arena. That just means I would miss going for two out of every three years.

[RoadWarrior]

Let's put some meat on the bone, similar to MLB's All-Star game. Whoever wins this year gets right to home/neutral site next year.
And, for God's sake, call it the "Shootout!"

[casualfan]

Evan Daniels ‏@EvanDaniels 2m
Only staff in America behind the times and rolling with Blackberrys? Xavier.

[nuts4xu]

Evan Daniels ‏@EvanDaniels 2m
Only staff in America behind the times and rolling with Blackberrys? Xavier.

That is ghetto as hell. How do our coaches not have a Galaxy or an IPhone in the year 2014?

[Kahns Krazy]

Even worse, it's this one:

http://designblog.nzeldes.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/BlackBerry_950.jpg

[Muskie]

That is ghetto as hell. How do our coaches not have a Galaxy or an IPhone in the year 2014?

Maybe the staff likes blackberries? And therefore chooses to keep using them? Not everything has to be evidence of non-support from the university. (not directing at you Nuts).

[LA Muskie]

Maybe the staff likes blackberries? And therefore chooses to keep using them? Not everything has to be evidence of non-support from the university. (not directing at you Nuts).

I'm sure that's the case. And I'm also sure Daniels' tweet was more a jab than a criticism.

[nuts4xu]

Maybe the staff likes blackberries?

Possibly, but I don't know many people that have them, and the ones that do...don't like them. The capabilities of the Galaxy and Iphone seem to be a better fit for a Division I basketball coach. But I am sure if Mack and staff wanted to change, they could probably make it happen.

[PMI]

See guys, the severity of our staff being so relatively underpaid was NOT an exaggeration! I'll bet there are 8 other staff's in the Big East rocking iPhone 5's. The Butler staff uses Nextell walkie talkies though.

[GoMuskies]

Maybe the staff likes blackberries?

If so, fire them.

[Retire33]

See guys, the severity of our staff being so relatively underpaid was NOT an exaggeration! I'll bet there are 8 other staff's in the Big East rocking iPhone 5's. The Butler staff uses Nextell walkie talkies though.

Maybe they just use them for messaging and email as the blackberry is much more secure than other comparable systems.

[blobfan]

Pretty sure I've seen arena staff rockin' iPhones while at games so if the athletics crew has blackberries, it's GOT to be a choice.

[paulxu]

We know Mack has an IPad at least.


Chris Mack @CoachChrisMack · 10h

Woke up to my IPad being charged all night and showing 2%. Low voltage Marriott I'm guessing. Poor guy got a bad night's sleep.

[LA Muskie]

Maybe they just use them for messaging and email as the blackberry is much more secure than other comparable systems.
I doubt it's a security concern -- these aren't state secrets we're dealing with. But it very well could be for convenience. It's a lot easier to type on a blackberry, and by all accounts text-messaging is the primary form of recruiting contact.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

Once you are used to typing on a blackberry, other devices are just not the same. Many people just do not like changing.

[LA Muskie]

Agreed. I have an iPhone and mostly love it. But I hate typing on it. I have found that it has significantly changed the way I work. I no longer type long substantive emails on my phone. I just read and give very quick responses.

[kyxu]

Louis CK still uses a blackberry.

[Nigel Tufnel]

You'd think the staff would want to be have unlimited IMessaging with the recruits instead of jamming up their text usage with Blackberrys. Had a client in my office today with a Blackberry...I actually did a double take. This is most definitely a summertime discussion...but I do agree that typing on a Blackberry is a ton easier than an iPhone.

[LadyMuskie]

Maybe the coaching staff is comprised of really big fans of Obama and they want to use the same brand phone that the commander in chief is using!

Or, maybe it's one more way that Michael Graham is trying to undermine the basketball program.

Both completely valid options!

[Fireball]

I've had a Blackberry, and turned it in for a Droid year ago...now I'm using the Galaxy S 4. I love my Galaxy, but agree with LA Muskie that it was tremendously easier to type out E-mails with the Blackberry. In fact, up until a few months ago, I had the Droid 4, which has slide-out keyboard, and I used it frequently. So, I can definitely get that if the coaching staff uses their devices to type a bunch of texts, E-mails, and whatnot, that they would prefer the Blackberry.

That all being said, there is no doubt in my mind that if Chris went to his bosses tomorrow and said that they needed iPhones or Galaxies instead of the Blackberries, that they would have them quickly.

[ammtd34]

My wife got an email from Chris Mack a few weeks ago. It was written on his iPhone.

[STL_XUfan]

<sarcasm>BBM's don't count as text messages, so it allows the staff to text recruits as much as they want. Now time to find a 5 star recruit rocking a blackberry. </sarcasm>

[GuyFawkes38]

Hmm. Hope all is ok:

@CoachChrisMack: RIP
https://twitter.com/coachchrismack/status/489194789360115712

Hopefully just a hacked twitter account. I blame blackberry.

[mistabeecee41]

Hmm. Hope all is ok:

@CoachChrisMack: RIP
https://twitter.com/coachchrismack/status/489194789360115712

Hopefully just a hacked twitter account. I blame blackberry.

it's the 3rd time he's tweeted that in the last day.

[GuyFawkes38]

it's the 3rd time he's tweeted that in the last day.

True. And why did Rick Carter favorite one of those tweets.

Shouldn't someone at XU public relations inform Mack?

[Juice]

Colin Cowherd is the worst. What a douche bag.

https://twitter.com/ESPN_Colin/status/493080545534820352/photo/1

[BBC 08]

Colin Cowherd is the worst. What a douche bag.

https://twitter.com/ESPN_Colin/status/493080545534820352/photo/1

Now THAT is a HOT SPROTS take.

[xavierj]

I am not a Cowherd fan but Manziel is a train wreck. I thought before the draft that he was going to be a huge mistake for some team and i believe that even more now. just watching the players around him it doesn't seem like anyone likes him. Players are already saying they expect Hoyer to be the quarterback. man I feel bad for Browns fans.

[RedsX11]

Manziel is 21 freaking years old. Let him be a 21 year old for god's sake. Imagine if a camera was following us 24/7 plus anyone that sees us takes our pictures when we were that age? Please.

His teammates will respect him when he does something that deserves respect.

[nuts4xu]

Manziel is 21 freaking years old. Let him be a 21 year old for god's sake. Imagine if a camera was following us 24/7 plus anyone that sees us takes our pictures when we were that age? Please.



Peyton Manning was barely 22 years old when he was drafted and I don't recall anyone saying "let him be a 22 year old" his first season.

[Backyard Champ]

I actually think Cowherd is the best espn guy, and my second favorite behind Dan Patrick. This was dumb though, but generally he is spot on.

[GoMuskies]

There's being 21, and then there's Manziel. I'm kind of rooting for him, though, because it would be fun to have a successful NFL QB who trains by snorting coke in Vegas bathrooms.

[Juice]

I actually think Cowherd is the best espn guy, and my second favorite behind Dan Patrick. This was dumb though, but generally he is spot on.

No he's actually a racist d bag

[Juice]

There's being 21, and then there's Manziel. I'm kind of rooting for him, though, because it would be fun to have a successful NFL QB who trains by snorting coke in Vegas bathrooms.

It worked for Cris Carter and Michael Irvin, why not

[Pete Delkus]

No he's actually a racist d bag

Why do you call him a racist?

[xudash]

There's being 21, and then there's Manziel. I'm kind of rooting for him, though, because it would be fun to have a successful NFL QB who trains by snorting coke in Vegas bathrooms.

Maybe he wants to be an updated Joe Willy.

[Juice]

Why do you call him a racist?

Google what he said about John Wall and how you can't be a good point guard if you didn't have a father

[muskienick]

Google what he said about John Wall and how you can't be a good point guard if you didn't have a father
Strange! I didn't realize that being raised without a father's ongoing influence was a racial thing. People of all racial and ethnic types come from one-parent families. In some cases, regardless of the race of the family, it can be a benefit for the children NOT to experience the absent parent's influence on the family.

I usually enjoy and respect Colin Cowherd's takes on things. In the same breath when he was speaking about John Wall's background and likelihood of emerging as a perennial all-star point guard, Cowherd spoke glowingly of the point guard traits and leadership of Rajon Rondo and Derek Fisher who, the last time I looked, were of the same race as John Wall.

[bobbiemcgee]

Nobody can imagine what it's like to be followed around 24/7 like J Football. I have to admit, I was not a believer until I saw a few of his college games on TV last year. I couldn't believe what I was seeing. The guy can play a little bit and I have no idea if it will transfer to the NFL. As far as his personal life, wake me up when he actually gets busted for something. He's probably pulled a tenth of the crap that Namath did, but the 24 hr news cycle now keeps it hopping.

[Juice]

Strange! I didn't realize that being raised without a father's ongoing influence was a racial thing. People of all racial and ethnic types come from one-parent families. In some cases, regardless of the race of the family, it can be a benefit for the children NOT to experience the absent parent's influence on the family.

I usually enjoy and respect Colin Cowherd's takes on things. In the same breath when he was speaking about John Wall's background and likelihood of emerging as a perennial all-star point guard, Cowherd spoke glowingly of the point guard traits and leadership of Rajon Rondo and Derek Fisher who, the last time I looked, were of the same race as John Wall.

I guarantee that he has never said anything of the sort about a white athlete.

The start of his statement was about Wall doing the Dougie, a stupid dance that white people do at weddings now. But nope, John Wall will never be a winner because he didn't know his dad and because he dances to a rap song.

[DC Muskie]

Here's my take on Colin Cowherd.

He's a dipshit.

[muskienick]

Here's my take on Colin Cowherd.

He's a dipshit.

Well then, never mind. Who can argue with that reasoning?

[Juice]

Well then, never mind. Who can argue with that reasoning?

You're defending a guy who judges people on whether they wear their hat backwards or not

[muskienick]

You're defending a guy who judges people on whether they wear their hat backwards or not

No! I'm defending a person accused of being a racist even though he made it crystal clear that he greatly admired the point guard intelligence and athletic abilities of two black athletes as compared to that of a third black athlete. Had he used John Stockton and Steve Nash as his two examples of point guard intelligence and abilities, I would likely be singing a different tune.

[DC Muskie]

Well then, never mind. Who can argue with that reasoning?

Seriously? You agree and respect Cowherd's takes like this one on John Wall?

So listen, when John Wall came out and did the Dougie, first home game, for 34 seconds, he was a moron. It's the dumbest thing I've ever seen. I will never back down.

And even this one!

By the way, the great John Wall—who was the point guard of the future—not in the top 15 most popular NBA jerseys. Not in the top 10 most popular team merchandise.

Man am I missing out by not ever listening to him!

[DC Muskie]

No! I'm defending a person accused of being a racist even though he made it crystal clear that he greatly admired the point guard intelligence and athletic abilities of two black athletes as compared to that of a third black athlete.

I'm not racist, I have many black friends!

Another well respected take.

[Juice]

No! I'm defending a person accused of being a racist even though he made it crystal clear that he greatly admired the point guard intelligence and athletic abilities of two black athletes as compared to that of a third black athlete. Had he used John Stockton and Steve Nash as his two examples of point guard intelligence and abilities, I would likely be singing a different tune.


smokingsection.uproxx.com/TSS/2012/07/colin-cowherd-continues-being-a-horrible-person-thinks-dez-bryants-mom-is-a-crack-head

http://awfulannouncing.com/2011-articles/colin-cowherd-needs-to-go-away.html

blacksportsonline.com/home/2011/07/colin-cowherd-says-roger-goodell-is-a-dad-to-fatherless-black-nfl-players/

mobile.thegrio.com/all/2011-07-20-espn-personality-race-baits-with-black-players?width=1024&height=672&size=large&olcts=1406486905860#3

hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/20/colin-cowherd-robinson-cano-plays-a-lot-harder-in-those-wbc-games-than-he-does-for-the-yankees/

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_ESPN#Radio_personalities

deadspin.com/the-worst-men-in-sports-5748972

Peso me hot takes from The Herd!

[muskienick]

Seriously? You agree and respect Cowherd's takes like this one on John Wall?

So listen, when John Wall came out and did the Dougie, first home game, for 34 seconds, he was a moron. It's the dumbest thing I've ever seen. I will never back down.

And even this one!

By the way, the great John Wall—who was the point guard of the future—not in the top 15 most popular NBA jerseys. Not in the top 10 most popular team merchandise.

Man am I missing out by not ever listening to him!

Neither of the examples you have offered above are indications of Cowherd's racism (or lack thereof). They specifically point to his opinion on the individual player, not his race. Why would Colin had used Rajon Rondo and Derek Fisher as examples of point guards that Wall should seemingly emulate?

Cowherd is probably more than a bit narrow-minded in describing Wall as a "moron" and his 34-second "Dougie" as the dumbest thing he's ever seen. But to translate that sentiment as racism is well over the top, especially considering his use of Rondo and Fisher as people who have distinguished themselves as the antitheses of such behavior!

[DC Muskie]

Neither of the examples you have offered above are indications of Cowherd's racism (or lack thereof). They specifically point to his opinion on the individual player, not his race. Why would Colin had used Rajon Rondo and Derek Fisher as examples of point guards that Wall should seemingly emulate?

Cowherd is probably more than a bit narrow-minded in describing Wall as a "moron" and his 34-second "Dougie" as the dumbest thing he's ever seen. But to translate that sentiment as racism is well over the top, especially considering his use of Rondo and Fisher as people who have distinguished themselves as the antitheses of such behavior!

I called him a dipshit.

Because he is.

[Juice]

I called him a dipshit.

Because he is.

I love this Cowherd takedown by Michael Schur

http://www.firejoemorgan.com/2006/01/12-minutes-of-hell-with-colin-cowherd.html

[GoMuskies]

Why would it be racist to point to Stockton and Nash as examples of point guard skill and intelligence?!? Those are two of the best PGs in the history of the game. White, black or purple.

[DC Muskie]

I love this Cowherd takedown by Michael Schur

http://www.firejoemorgan.com/2006/01/12-minutes-of-hell-with-colin-cowherd.html

Cowherd reads like a cross of Darren Rovell and Don Imus.

[muskienick]

Why would it be racist to point to Stockton and Nash as examples of point guard skill and intelligence?!? Those are two of the best PGs in the history of the game. White, black or purple.

I didn't say it would be racist. It would, however, give the people arguing in this thread that Cowherd is a racist more of a reason to have drawn such a conclusion. Cowherd was either smart enough or un-racist enough to use two of the best guards in the NBA who were of the same race as Wall as his paragons of point guard play.

I fully agree with you that Cowherd could have used Stockton and Nash as his examples without being a racist. But if you think 100 times as many people wouldn't have jumped on the "Cowherd is a racist" bandwagon had he done so, then you are deluding yourself.

[Pete Delkus]

I didn't say it would be racist. It would, however, give the people arguing in this thread that Cowherd is a racist more of a reason to have drawn such a conclusion. Cowherd was either smart enough or un-racist enough to use two of the best guards in the NBA who were of the same race as Wall as his paragons of point guard play.

I fully agree with you that Cowherd could have used Stockton and Nash as his examples without being a racist. But if you think 100 times as many people wouldn't have jumped on the "Cowherd is a racist" bandwagon had he done so, then you are deluding yourself.

White dudes calling other white dudes "racist" is pretty cool these days, as it serves 2 purposes. It goes a long way of discrediting someone's argument or position w/o the hassle of proving facts, while making the accuser feel cool & "in".

[waggy]

The Dougie is gay.

I will never back down.

[Xman95]

The Dougie is gay.

I will never back down.

As it turned out, so is Doogie.

http://cdn.mhpbooks.com/uploads/2012/09/nph-320x274.jpeg

[RedsX11]

Peyton Manning was barely 22 years old when he was drafted and I don't recall anyone saying "let him be a 22 year old" his first season.

Peyton Manning had a father who had done this. And its not we should hold Manziel to that standard. He is like drunken frat guy. As a Browns fan, I am just happy he makes it out of bed every morning.

[X-band '01]

#EmptyGlassCity is now trending for all the wrong reasons - Toledo has a water supply crisis on its hands. Can't drink or even boil the water (although it's safe for bathing). Gotta feel for Mr. and Mrs. Titan this weekend (even though they're south of this) - bottled water is selling out within a 25-50 mile radius of Toledo.

[Titanxman04]

#EmptyGlassCity is now trending for all the wrong reasons - Toledo has a water supply crisis on its hands. Can't drink or even boil the water (although it's safe for bathing). Gotta feel for Mr. and Mrs. Titan this weekend (even though they're south of this) - bottled water is selling out within a 25-50 mile radius of Toledo.

We are in Catawba with my family as we are looking for a place to move into in Findlay. Findlay, thankfully, is not touched by this. Nor is Catawba. We are pretty thankful for not having to wake up in this mess. However, my sister and brother are both in the affected areas. We expect to see one or both of them soon.

Thanks for the concern though!

[Masterofreality]

@XUHoopsRumors: Doug Neustadt, @SemajChriston agent, announced today that Semaj will start in the D-League with the Oklahoma City Blue this year and play PG

[Lamont Sanford]

Nobody should be surprised that OKC is moving Semaj to their D League team for his rookie season. That was the plan for him the night they traded for his draft rights. They knew he was not ready for primetime, but see the future potential in him.

[Chalmers0]

Nobody should be surprised that OKC is moving Semaj to their D League team for his rookie season. That was the plan for him the night they traded for his draft rights. They knew he was not ready for primetime, but see the future potential in him.

I'm not surprised he's going to the D-League team. I am somewhat surprised he didn't at least get to participate in training camp with the Thunder first.

[XUFan09]

I'm not surprised he's going to the D-League team. I am somewhat surprised he didn't at least get to participate in training camp with the Thunder first.

There's a reason for that: "Christon will not participate in the Thunder's training camp. Rather, he will play multiple times a week in the D-League and gain valuable minutes and opportunities to improve his game."

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/xaviersports/2014/09/29/former-xu-star-semaj-christon-will-start-pro-career-in-d-league/16445035/

[casualfan]

There's a reason for that: "Christon will not participate in the Thunder's training camp. Rather, he will play multiple times a week in the D-League and gain valuable minutes and opportunities to improve his game."

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/xaviersports/2014/09/29/former-xu-star-semaj-christon-will-start-pro-career-in-d-league/16445035/

So we're to believe time spent playing in the d-league is more valuable than playing with actual NBA players? Not sure I'm buying that.

[mistabeecee41]

So we're to believe time spent playing in the d-league is more valuable than playing with actual NBA players? Not sure I'm buying that.

Agreed, I said this in the other thread. This is not the normal process for unsigned, 2nd round rookies. Normally they go through training camp and head to the D-League. It's not like training camp interferes with the D-League schedule, so it shouldn't be a one or the other kind of situation. Training camps start now - the first D-League game is November.

Don't see how in any way this is a good thing for Semaj.

(edit) also - Shannon's source is Semaj's agent. Of course he is going to put this as if it's a positive for his client.

[waggy]

So this can only mean "the best point guard in the NBA" doesn't want any competition.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Semaj's D-League team plays at the Austin D-league team (Spurs affiliate) a couple of times in December. Guess if I have nothing else going on I might check out one of those games to see how Semaj's doing.

[Milhouse]

Agreed, I said this in the other thread. This is not the normal process for unsigned, 2nd round rookies. Normally they go through training camp and head to the D-League. It's not like training camp interferes with the D-League schedule, so it shouldn't be a one or the other kind of situation. Training camps start now - the first D-League game is November.

Don't see how in any way this is a good thing for Semaj.

(edit) also - Shannon's source is Semaj's agent. Of course he is going to put this as if it's a positive for his client.

The Thunder also have a 1st round pick (Huestis) that is not going to training camp and going straight to D League. While this may not be the norm, the Thunder are truly breaking new ground with how they utilize the D League.

[Chalmers0]

There's a reason for that: "Christon will not participate in the Thunder's training camp. Rather, he will play multiple times a week in the D-League and gain valuable minutes and opportunities to improve his game."

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/xaviersports/2014/09/29/former-xu-star-semaj-christon-will-start-pro-career-in-d-league/16445035/

I'm not going to pretend to understand the ins and outs of the NBA because I don't follow that nearly as closely, but I see no reason why he couldn't go to training camp with the Thunder and then join the D-League team, whose season kicks off on November 14th (2 weeks after the NBA starts). As someone else said, I'm fairly confident this is what most teams do with most 2nd rounders and undrafted free agents.

Edit: After looking, like Milhouse said, it looks like Huestis also isn't going to the NBA training camp, so it must just be a strategy the Thunder is employing.

[casualfan]

I'm not going to pretend to understand the ins and outs of the NBA because I don't follow that nearly as closely, but I see no reason why he couldn't go to training camp with the Thunder and then join the D-League team, whose season kicks off on November 14th (2 weeks after the NBA starts). As someone else said, I'm fairly confident this is what most teams do with most 2nd rounders and undrafted free agents.

Edit: After looking, like Milhouse said, it looks like Huestis also isn't going to the NBA training camp, so it must just be a strategy the Thunder is employing.

Here's (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/7/24/5930829/josh-huestis-thunder-rookie-contract-agents) why their "first round pick" is going straight to the D-League..

From the article:

The prospect's two agents -- Butler and fellow former UCLA player Toby Bailey -- were concerned Huestis wouldn't even be selected. He wasn't receiving much interest in the first round and was at risk of dropping out of the draft entirely given the depth in this year's class.

Thus, as a means of getting their client drafted, Butler and Bailey decided they'd be "open" to the idea of having Huestis develop in the D-League for a year if it meant getting drafted by one of two teams: Oklahoma City, which held picks No. 21 and 29, and San Antonio, which was at No. 30. Those two teams, Butler said, offered the kind of strong one-to-one D-League affiliation that would allow Huestis to thrive in the long haul, even if it meant sacrificing a year of earning power.

[ammtd34]

I thought everyone knew this was pretty much the plan from the start. I don't get what the advantage of going to training camp with a team he won't play for this year would be.

[Pete Delkus]

Here's (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/7/24/5930829/josh-huestis-thunder-rookie-contract-agents) why their "first round pick" is going straight to the D-League..

From the article:

The prospect's two agents -- Butler and fellow former UCLA player Toby Bailey -- were concerned Huestis wouldn't even be selected. He wasn't receiving much interest in the first round and was at risk of dropping out of the draft entirely given the depth in this year's class.

Thus, as a means of getting their client drafted, Butler and Bailey decided they'd be "open" to the idea of having Huestis develop in the D-League for a year if it meant getting drafted by one of two teams: Oklahoma City, which held picks No. 21 and 29, and San Antonio, which was at No. 30. Those two teams, Butler said, offered the kind of strong one-to-one D-League affiliation that would allow Huestis to thrive in the long haul, even if it meant sacrificing a year of earning power.

Wait until one of these picks, maybe Semaj, fail to make positive strides in their development, or gets injured and a team doesn't live up to the spirit of the agreement, by citing no contractual guarantees. They would have lost China or Europe money, and might have missed their window for earnings.

[casualfan]

Wait until one of these picks, maybe Semaj, fail to make positive strides in their development, or gets injured and a team doesn't live up to the spirit of the agreement, by citing no contractual guarantees. They would have lost China or Europe money, and might have missed their window for earnings.

Semaj didn't make an agreement like that though, at least not to my knowledge. He was picked late in the second round.

[casualfan]

I thought everyone knew this was pretty much the plan from the start. I don't get what the advantage of going to training camp with a team he won't play for this year would be.

Yeah, probably no tangible benefit to spending time around guys like Durant and Westbrook. Can't imagine that would be beneficial at all...

[Xville]

Yeah, probably no tangible benefit to spending time around guys like Durant and Westbrook. Can't imagine that would be beneficial at all...

maybe to him it would be beneficial...to the team not really. They know right now what Semaj is and that is one not good enough to make an NBA roster right now. He is not all of a sudden going to be..this is going to take a lot of hard work and a little bit of luck. He is just not good enough yet and may never be...time will tell.

[ammtd34]

Yeah, probably no tangible benefit to spending time around guys like Durant and Westbrook. Can't imagine that would be beneficial at all...

What good is that for the Thunder? They need him to be a better basketball player. That isn't going to happen in 2 weeks.

[PMI]

Yeah, probably no tangible benefit to spending time around guys like Durant and Westbrook. Can't imagine that would be beneficial at all...

Obviously you are being a smart ass in this response, but I think the argument can be made that it's just as, if not more, beneficial to a player like Semaj to immediately go to the team and league he will be spending this season with than playing a few meaningless games "with Durant and Westbrook." I put that in quotes because very few of those minutes will in fact involved Semaj on the floor with Durant, and even fewer with Westbrook. Now I guess the argument can be made that he would be around those guys and see their games/preparations/etc. firsthand, but is that really that much more beneficial to Semaj turning into a better basketball player than going straight to the D League where he will play a lot? We can't say for sure, I guess, but I doubt it. It is my understanding that the D League is being treated much more like a minor league system in baseball or hockey now than a few years ago, when it was basically purgatory. This is especially true for a team like OKC, which seems to be at the forefront of properly using the D League to develop players who they actually intend on calling up at some point. Semaj is going to need to make some big strides to make it in the league anyway, so why not let him go through that process in a situation where he's learning by actually, you know, playing? The counter-argument is that he could play in the preseason again actual NBA players, but the amount of time he'd see with and against guys who play real roles in the NBA would not be all that much, and while there is a drop off between NBA bench warmers and D League starters, he'll still be playing against some high competition as a green rookie. I just don't think it's some huge disadvantage like it's being made out to be.

[casualfan]

What good is that for the Thunder? They need him to be a better basketball player. That isn't going to happen in 2 weeks.

Yep, nothing to be learned from interacting with some of the best in the sport.

I mean, come on guys. Suggesting that being at training camp would do nothing to make him a better player is ludicrous.

[casualfan]

Obviously you are being a smart ass in this response, but I think the argument can be made that it's just as, if not more, beneficial to a player like Semaj to immediately go to the team and league he will be spending this season with than playing a few meaningless games "with Durant and Westbrook." I put that in quotes because very few of those minutes will in fact involved Semaj on the floor with Durant, and even fewer with Westbrook. Now I guess the argument can be made that he would be around those guys and see their games/preparations/etc. firsthand, but is that really that much more beneficial to Semaj turning into a better basketball player than going straight to the D League where he will play a lot? We can't say for sure, I guess, but I doubt it. It is my understanding that the D League is being treated much more like a minor league system in baseball or hockey now than a few years ago, when it was basically purgatory. This is especially true for a team like OKC, which seems to be at the forefront of properly using the D League to develop players who they actually intend on calling up at some point. Semaj is going to need to make some big strides to make it in the league anyway, so why not let him go through that process in a situation where he's learning by actually, you know, playing? The counter-argument is that he could play in the preseason again actual NBA players, but the amount of time he'd see with and against guys who play real roles in the NBA would not be all that much, and while there is a drop off between NBA bench warmers and D League starters, he'll still be playing against some high competition as a green rookie. I just don't think it's some huge disadvantage like it's being made out to be.

Your post seems to be predicated on the fact that this is an either or situation which is not true.

The development league doesn't start until mid-November.

He could easily take part in training camp then move down to the d-league squad in plenty of time for the season.

[PMI]

Your post seems to be predicated on the fact that this is an either or situation which is not true.

The development league doesn't start until mid-November.

He could easily take part in training camp then move down to the d-league squad in plenty of time for the season.

I understand that, I just don't think it's as cut and dry wrong a decision as you make it out to be. I'm not saying he couldn't possibly benefit more from playing in the preseason with the Thunder. I just don't think it's nearly as big a difference as you do, and I think there could be some benefit to going straight to the D League where he will play a lot more, and honestly, against relatively similar competition for the most part. The starters playing a few preseason minutes won't give Semaj all that much real NBA game experience, if any, assuming he is even on the floor before they come out. In the D League, they are all guys at a similar point in their development who are hungry for a chance to prove themselves worthy of a shot at the big show. I can see how that might be a better fire to be thrown into. And I can see the other side. But one thing I'm confident in for sure is that it shouldn't make that big a difference either way. He's going to have to win an uphill battle starting now regardless, and the Thunder made their choice with what's best for them in mind, so that's that.

[ammtd34]

He's going to have to win an uphill battle starting now regardless, and the Thunder made their choice with what's best for them in mind, so that's that.

And I'm confident that he was aware that this was the plan before he declared for the draft.

[LA Muskie]

And I'm confident that he was aware that this was the plan before he declared for the draft.

He did not think he was going to be a D League player before he declared to leave early. But he knew it was a possibility.

[Masterofreality]

The Thunder also have a 1st round pick (Huestis) that is not going to training camp and going straight to D League. While this may not be the norm, the Thunder are truly breaking new ground with how they utilize the D League.

There is only one NBA team that has their D League team in the same city. Yeah, I'd say that is breaking new ground.

[Masterofreality]

He did not think he was going to be a D League player before he declared to leave early. But he knew it was a possibility.

If he really thought that there would be a possibility that he'd be in the D League when he declared for the draft, the declaration was a horrible decision.

All I can remember is that he wanted to provide for his family. $20,000/year won't provide for much. I agree that he did not think he'd be a D Leaguer, but I'm not sure he considered the possibility seriously, although I would suppose that CMack put that out there to him.

All that being said, man, I want him to make it and not be another Vander Blue.

[PMI]

If he really thought that there would be a possibility that he'd be in the D League when he declared for the draft, the declaration was a horrible decision.

All I can remember is that he wanted to provide for his family. $20,000/year won't provide for much. I agree that he did not think he'd be a D Leaguer, but I'm not sure he considered the possibility seriously, although I would suppose that CMack put that out there to him.

All that being said, man, I want him to make it and not be another Vander Blue.

I agree. He obviously knew there was a chance he could end up in D League, but I think that his decision to leave is enough proof that he was not banking on that actually happening, meaning that he either listened to people who were overly optimistic about his chances, or he just made a flat out poor choice. It would be a shame for all sides involved (Semaj, his family, Xavier) if it doesn't work out.

[LA Muskie]

I didn't mean to imply that Semaj contemplated the prospect of starting out in the D League. I tend to think he didn't, as is pretty common among kids who have been highly touted and successful their entire playing careers. All I meant was that he was informed of the possibility.

[Masterofreality]

I didn't mean to imply that Semaj contemplated the prospect of starting out in the D League. I tend to think he didn't, as is pretty common among kids who have been highly touted and successful their entire playing careers. All I meant was that he was informed of the possibility.

Which I agree with. I would doubt that he would have made the same decision this year if he could have seen this development, though. Still want him to make it.

[LA Muskie]

Which I agree with. I would doubt that he would have made the same decision this year if he could have seen this development, though. Still want him to make it.
Yup. We're on the same page.

[Backyard Champ]

I still believe that in terms of his overall development, this process, including a stint in the d league, is better for him than staying in college.

[boozehound]

I still believe that in terms of his overall development, this process, including a stint in the d league, is better for him than staying in college.

I don't know. He would have had some weapons this year and a chance to work on his game. Financially he may have been better of staying if College as well. Once you pay rent and food on a D-league salary there isn't a lot left over. It would have made more sense if he had just gone overseas instead.

[Milhouse]

I don't know. He would have had some weapons this year and a chance to work on his game. Financially he may have been better of staying if College as well. Once you pay rent and food on a D-league salary there isn't a lot left over. It would have made more sense if he had just gone overseas instead.

Actually he doesn't pay rent or for food. They are provided with apartments and given a per diem.

The competition he faces will be better night in and night out in the D league. People forget these are professional basketball players playing in the D league, many with NBA experience, if not overseas experience. Tons of them former All Americans. Many of them like Semaj - the best player on their college team.

[ammtd34]

I don't know. He would have had some weapons this year and a chance to work on his game. Financially he may have been better of staying if College as well. Once you pay rent and food on a D-league salary there isn't a lot left over. It would have made more sense if he had just gone overseas instead.

He has the chance to work on his game this year, too. Actually, in the D League, that's the only thing he has to work on. I think he will be a better basketball player after a season in the D League than he would have been after his junior year at Xavier.

[RealDeal]

This is all well and good if he comes back and gets his degree at some point, otherwise he could be out of pro sports in a few years with no college degree. There is life after basketball.

[LA Muskie]

I'm torn. I don't think too many guys would leave early if they KNEW they would be relegated to the D League. I'm sure there are a lot of reasons for that, not the least of which enjoying the college experience over toiling in the D League. I do think Semaj -- like most players -- will improve in the D League. But I also think he would have improved with another year in college. As I see it, the upside to the D League is playing against better competition on a regular basis. On the other hand, I think the quality of individual skills coaching is much better at the college level than the D League level -- at least at Xavier. Which form of training would have been better for Semaj I have no idea...

[boozehound]

He has the chance to work on his game this year, too. Actually, in the D League, that's the only thing he has to work on. I think he will be a better basketball player after a season in the D League than he would have been after his junior year at Xavier.

I get that, but he is getting paid very little while not making progress toward a degree.


This is all well and good if he comes back and gets his degree at some point, otherwise he could be out of pro sports in a few years with no college degree. There is life after basketball.

Exactly. I would be curious as to how many players started in the D league and then went on to have long NBA careers. Semaj most likely will end up playing in Europe, or staying stateside and doing something besides basketball.

[paulxu]

Google is your friend.

http://www.nba.com/dleague/

[XUFan09]

Google is your friend.

http://www.nba.com/dleague/

That's more than one in every four!

I don't know why people think Semaj will most likely end up playing in Europe or not playing basketball, when OKC has an explicit plan for him. They're preparing to lose Reggie Jackson after this year (He'll be a restricted free agent) and Sebastian Telfair is only signed to a one-year deal. There's a good chance that Semaj is backing up Westbrook next year, and if that doesn't happen, there are still 29 other teams where he could possibly land before he gets to the point where he has to go overseas.

[Xville]

That's more than one in every four!

I don't know why people think Semaj will most likely end up playing in Europe or not playing basketball, when OKC has an explicit plan for him. They're preparing to lose Reggie Jackson after this year (He'll be a restricted free agent) and Sebastian Telfair is only signed to a one-year deal. There's a good chance that Semaj is backing up Westbrook next year, and if that doesn't happen, there are still 29 other teams where he could possibly land before he gets to the point where he has to go overseas.

Time will tell on this. He is going to have to prove that he is good enough to be on an NBA roster. As of right now, he hasn't done that. It is going to take a lot of hard work and a little bit of luck. I wish him the best. Obviously I don't know his personal situation but just based on basketball alone, it seems to me that he made a poor choice coming out early. He possibly could have played his way into the first round this year with a guaranteed contract.

[LA Muskie]

I think Semaj has a good shot at making an NBA roster in the next few years. And I think if he was going to be relegated to the D League for a year, doing so in the OKC system is the best place he could possibly be. But that still doesn't give him great odds. Minor leagues (particularly for sports that have traditionally used them -- notably, baseball, hockey and soccer) are for prospects with potential. The teams are full of them. But only a small percentage advance. It's a numbers game, and ultimately the potential needs to turn into proof.

[94GRAD]

These have been a lot more than 140 characters

[XUFan09]

I think Semaj has a good shot at making an NBA roster in the next few years. And I think if he was going to be relegated to the D League for a year, doing so in the OKC system is the best place he could possibly be. But that still doesn't give him great odds. Minor leagues (particularly for sports that have traditionally used them -- notably, baseball, hockey and soccer) are for prospects with potential. The teams are full of them. But only a small percentage advance. It's a numbers game, and ultimately the potential needs to turn into proof.
I agree but basketball right now is a little different from the other minors. There's only one 15-man team (if an organization has a team). Because of that, Semaj is the only minor league player that OKC is seriously considering for the PG position. They have other options for filling that backup spot, but they would likely have to pay more than they would for Semaj in year one.

[MHettel]

He has the chance to work on his game this year, too. Actually, in the D League, that's the only thing he has to work on. I think he will be a better basketball player after a season in the D League than he would have been after his junior year at Xavier.

But he'll never get another chance to be a first round pick....and get the guaranteed JACK that comes with it.

[LA Muskie]

I agree but basketball right now is a little different from the other minors. There's only one 15-man team (if an organization has a team). Because of that, Semaj is the only minor league player that OKC is seriously considering for the PG position. They have other options for filling that backup spot, but they would likely have to pay more than they would for Semaj in year one.
I don't necessarily disagree. But unlike other sports, there are other sources than just the minor leagues. Overseas teams, for example. Also, there seems to be both less overall roster turnover in the NBA. And a fluid free agent market.

While I agree he's the only PG they are "home growing", the notion of "home growing" in the NBA is a fairly new one, and not fully developed. Let's put it this way, 5 years ago -- or on just about any other team -- Semaj more than likely would have just been cut altogether. And he would have been at a competitive disadvantage to the next round of draft picks next year.

[PMI]

I don't necessarily disagree. But unlike other sports, there are other sources than just the minor leagues. Overseas teams, for example. Also, there seems to be both less overall roster turnover in the NBA. And a fluid free agent market.

While I agree he's the only PG they are "home growing", the notion of "home growing" in the NBA is a fairly new one, and not fully developed. Let's put it this way, 5 years ago -- or on just about any other team -- Semaj more than likely would have just been cut altogether. And he would have been at a competitive disadvantage to the next round of draft picks next year.

I see what you're saying, but it sounds like regardless of how new the process is, it's still one that some teams (at the forefront of which is OKC) are fully committed to doing it this way. That's not to say that Semaj doesn't have to prove himself worthy of getting his opportunity. But it sounds like this is the first step of the opportunity that they're giving him, and not just a place to dump him. Given that, along with other info on how OKC approaches this entire thing, I think they are legitimately trying to grow Semaj into a point guard for the Thunder's future roster, rather than just covering one of the many bases. This would be kind of like how it's done in hockey, where there are also many other sources than just the minors. Even though "home-growing" may be a new experiment, it definitely seems like one OKC is fully invested in.

[BMoreX]

Red Panda has retired.

[ammtd34]

But he'll never get another chance to be a first round pick....and get the guaranteed JACK that comes with it.

He would have played his entire junior season at 22 years old without the guarantee of being a first round pick anyway.

[Mel Cooley XU'81]

The analysis here is always informed and solid.

But let's face it: Samaj is where he is today because he couldn't bear the thought of another year on campus and in the classroom.

And that's OK.

[nuts4xu]

But he'll never get another chance to be a first round pick....and get the guaranteed JACK that comes with it.

He may have passed up that chance after his first season when his stock was much higher than it was this spring. He comes back for this upcoming season, the potential is there for him to be counted on less to carry the offense. Xavier needed him to come back and be a team player, not a guy who was positioning himself for a first round draft position.

It would have been a lot of fun to see Semaj play one more year in a Xavier uniform, but I understand his reasoning and think he made the best decision for himself and his career.

[casualfan]

Shannon Russell (@slrussell) tweeted at 2:53 PM on Mon, Oct 06, 2014:
Edmond Sumner being held out of practice for a couple weeks because of tendinitis in his knees. #Xavier

[xudash]

I hate this thread. This thread scares me every time I see it pop up to the top.

[mistabeecee41]

Shannon Russell (@slrussell) tweeted at 2:53 PM on Mon, Oct 06, 2014:
Edmond Sumner being held out of practice for a couple weeks because of tendinitis in his knees. #Xavier

ugh. never good to hear when it comes to an 18 year old guard. pure speculation, but wouldn't be surprised if this transitioned into a redshirt announcement after the "Few weeks" are up.

[GoMuskies]

Hate to hear it, of course, but we're we expecting anything out of Sumner thus year? Him redshirting might be just fine.

[waggy]

The kids athleticism appeared very high, so yeah thought he would contribute. This was of course based on one half second of video against 5 foot Brazilians.

[Milhouse]

Unless its serious I doubt they redshirt him. He needs to add weight but he will contribute this year.

[PMI]

I've heard mixed things. I remember there was a point where it seemed very possible that he would use a redshirt year to add some much needed weight. Then, during summer league and the weeks leading up to Brazil, it sounded like he was better/further along than originally anticipated, making it tougher to keep him off the court this year. I have no idea, but based on the little outside information known, I would expect him to be behind Dee and and Abel for sure, but still someone who sees minutes. It sounds like he adds some serious length and shooting ability to our backcourt as a combo type guard, which is certainly intriguing, but will he get pushed around physically due to his frame or struggle with turnovers early on? Sucks that he won't have the early days of practice for the coaches to know more.

[LA Muskie]

Most recently word on the street was that London would redshirt. And I still tend to think he's the odds-on favorite to spend a year bulking up. But I've also heard that Larry Austin Jr. will be nearly impossible to keep off the court, which creates a bit of a logjam at the guard positions (even assuming we play "small") with Dee, Abell, Myles, Bluiett, and Macura also in the mix. Add a potentially lingering injury to Sumner, and I guess there's a chance he could redshirt. But I still tend to think not.

[XU3232]

Most recently word on the street was that London would redshirt. And I still tend to think he's the odds-on favorite to spend a year bulking up. But I've also heard that Larry Austin Jr. will be nearly impossible to keep off the court, which creates a bit of a logjam at the guard positions (even assuming we play "small") with Dee, Abell, Myles, Bluiett, and Macura also in the mix. Add a potentially lingering injury to Sumner, and I guess there's a chance he could redshirt. But I still tend to think not.

Good to hear about Austin Jr if true.

[Lamont Sanford]

I ran into Sumner and Austin walking from class when I was there last for Pablo's Brother's funeral. Sumner was on crutches and had a decent limp in his step. Not surprised to hear that he is still having knee troubles now.

[BMoreX]

Mike Dyer @MikeDyer
Report: LeBron James could sit out Wednesday's game at Xavier cin.ci/1w3ffIJ via @Enquirer

[blueblob06]

Mike Dyer @MikeDyer
Report: LeBron James could sit out Wednesday's game at Xavier cin.ci/1w3ffIJ via @Enquirer
Nobody wants to play against David West in Cintas Center. Nobody.

[Xavier]

Mike Dyer @MikeDyer
Report: LeBron James could sit out Wednesday's game at Xavier cin.ci/1w3ffIJ via @Enquirer

Even if he doesn't sit out I'd be surprised to see him play 10 minutes.

[coasterville95]

Good thing folks bought those tickets to see David West. Sorry for all the Cavs fans who are coming down for LeBron.

[drudy23]

I'm honestly surprised anyone that is a guarantee to make a team plays any pre-season games at all.

[nuts4xu]

I will bet D West plays less than 15 minutes himself. It is great to see the NBA bring a game to the Cintas Center, but it was silly to expect them to field their starting lineups.

[Masterofreality]

Don't anyone get all pissy. LeBron barely played 21 minutes in Brazil....and that was a "big" preseason game.

[Backyard Champ]

I haven't seen anyone get pissy? My guess is most people understood that this was a possibility.

[Masterofreality]

Well, Lebron's sitting out tonight here in Cleve, so he can satisfy all the doubting Thomases in Cincinnati. :biggrin:

[coasterville95]

As a reminder - if you did not see the email from X - all lots except the suite parking and C2 are free and first come first serve for tomorrow's game, and to arrive early for the Cavs fan zone AND to get into the arena as the NBA insists on metal detectors

[Masterofreality]

@HolyLandofHoops: Jay mentions Georgetown & SJU as likely #BIGEAST contenders “@eamonnbrennan: 3point shot: Villanova coach Jay Wright http://t.co/wu0O98SDVn”

Bulletin Board material. No respect for Xavier.

Sneak......up......

[xudash]

@HolyLandofHoops: Jay mentions Georgetown & SJU as likely #BIGEAST contenders “@eamonnbrennan: 3point shot: Villanova coach Jay Wright http://t.co/wu0O98SDVn”

Bulletin Board material. No respect for Xavier.

Sneak......up......

Someone at HolyLand needs to improve their listening skills: he mentions, in this order - GU, SJU, Providence, and Xavier as threats.

http://www.vuhoops.com/2014/10/19/7008911/andy-katz-interview-w-jay-wright

[SM#24]

So, I guess we won't be sneaking up on Jay Wright; it will have to be a full frontal assault.

[mistabeecee41]

So, I guess we won't be sneaking up on Jay Wright; it will have to be a full frontal assault.

I feel like it doesn't matter what computer/browser or what connection I have, ESPN videos never load properly.

[Olsingledigit]

I feel like it doesn't matter what computer/browser or what connection I have, ESPN videos never load properly.

Having the same problem

[XUFan09]

I started having that problem recently. It turned out my old hard drive was corrupted, but my brand new one isn't always successful either.

[NY44]

@JonRothstein: The NCAA has cleared Texas Southern's Chris Thomas, source told @CBSSports. Big time scorer.

[PMI]

@JonRothstein: The NCAA has cleared Texas Southern's Chris Thomas, source told @CBSSports. Big time scorer.

Man, he's got to be like 25 by now... Hopefully the kid's got his shit together.

[GoMuskies]

@JonRothstein: The NCAA has cleared Texas Southern's Chris Thomas, source told @CBSSports. Big time scorer.

That could be really bad news for Tom Crean.

[JTG]

That could be really bad news for Tom Crean.

????????

[GoMuskies]

IU plays Texas Southern in their second game. IU has at least two key players suspended already for that game, one who is recovering from being run over by a car who you assume will not be ready to play yet and another who was illegally driving the car that ran over said player. IU should still win the game, but it's certainly not great news for them that an elite talent (who obviously has not produced but still has that talent) will be eligible to play for TX Southern that day.

[Chalmers0]

IU plays Texas Southern in their second game. IU has at least two key players suspended already for that game, one who is recovering from being run over by a car who you assume will not be ready to play yet and another who was illegally driving the car that ran over said player. IU should still win the game, but it's certainly not great news for them that an elite talent (who obviously has not produced but still has that talent) will be eligible to play for TX Southern that day.

The other two who were suspended for the failed drug tests (who I believe are at least contributors, if not starters) are also out for that one I believe.

Former IU head coach Mike Davis is also Texas Southern's coach

[GoMuskies]

The other two who were suspended for the failed drug tests (who I believe are at least contributors, if not starters) are also out for that one I believe.

Former IU head coach Mike Davis is also Texas Southern's coach

My post may not have been clear, but I was intending to cover four guys. Two suspended, one hurt and one other who's probably going to be suspended if not already.

[Chalmers0]

My post may not have been clear, but I was intending to cover four guys. Two suspended, one hurt and one other who's probably going to be suspended if not already.

Ah yes, reading can be tough on Mondays

[JTG]

IU plays Texas Southern in their second game. IU has at least two key players suspended already for that game, one who is recovering from being run over by a car who you assume will not be ready to play yet and another who was illegally driving the car that ran over said player. IU should still win the game, but it's certainly not great news for them that an elite talent (who obviously has not produced but still has that talent) will be eligible to play for TX Southern that day.

Devin Davis, who was run over is probably done for the season. He has substantial head trauma, and is in speech and vocational rehab.

[MADXSTER]

Devin Davis, who was run over is probably done for the season. He has substantial head trauma, and is in speech and vocational rehab.

That really sucks. Prayers.

[BMoreX]

Jon Morosi @jonmorosi
Sources: #Marlins, #Reds making progress on Mat Latos trade.

Mat and Dallas have been to a lot of Xavier games over the past few seasons.

[RealDeal]

Jon Morosi @jonmorosi
Sources: #Marlins, #Reds making progress on Mat Latos trade.

Mat and Dallas have been to a lot of Xavier games over the past few seasons.

Signed the wrong guy. Latos>Homer.

[ammtd34]

Jon Morosi @jonmorosi
Sources: #Marlins, #Reds making progress on Mat Latos trade.

Mat and Dallas have been to a lot of Xavier games over the past few seasons.

I'd hate for this to happen.

[GoMuskies]

I'd hate for this to happen.

I the Reds get Yelich I'll be fine with it.

[Juice]

I the Reds get Yelich I'll be fine with it.

Yeah, my exact thinking.

I do like that they're getting rid of Simon. He's a good RP, not a good SP.

[ammtd34]

They didn't.

[GoMuskies]

They didn't.

Looks like the Reds have given up on the short term. Given what the Cubs (yuck) and Astros are doing, the longer term isn't looking all that promising either.

[PM Thor]

Simon and Latos' contracts were up at the end of '15. For what they got I'm fine with it considering that the Reds will in no way be able to afford to sign both and keep Cueto.

[bleedXblue]

Really sad to see Latos go. Really reliable, hard throwing, no nonsense guy.

Whoever in the hell decided to give Bailey 100 million should be fired immediately. Oh wait, is he the same guy that gave Votto over 200 million? Dumb ass decisions that the Reds have to live with for a long, long time.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Simon and Latos' contracts were up at the end of '15. For what they got I'm fine with it considering that the Reds will in no way be able to afford to sign both and keep Cueto.

Yeah. Getting anything for Simon is a plus, should've done it at the 2014 deadline, but seems like they got a good return. While they did sell a little low on Latos, in return they get the Marlins #2 prospect who they will now control for 6 seasons. As opposed to Latos, who they would only have for one more season and is coming off injuries.

Right now, the 2015 Reds aren't better than the 2014 Reds, but if they can use the 25 million they have cut to get a LF and extend Cueto, then I think it will be a positive offseason.

[Retire33]

Looks like the Reds have given up on the short term. Given what the Cubs (yuck) and Astros are doing, the longer term isn't looking all that promising either.

Cubs, yes. Not sure Reds are worried about a team in the AL West though.


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[GoMuskies]

Cubs, yes. Not sure Reds are worried about a team in the AL West though.


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Oh yeah. I'm clearly still not used to that.

[drudy23]

Guess Latos is going to have to find a new college hoops team to root for.

[X-band '01]

The Marlins have also been active on the trading block during winter meetings - they also got Dan Haren to add to their pitching staff along with speedster Dee Gordon from the Dodgers.

As for the short and long term, the Reds need a few bats if they're going to be a playoff contender anytime soon. Pitching wasn't the issue last year, and we should probably be glad they were able to "sell high" on Alfredo Simon.

[Fireball]

Definitely sold high on Simon, and made the right move for what they were able to get for him. Suarez looks like a pretty decent shortstop, and we'll see what happens with the pitcher they got. As far as Latos goes, I'm OK with the move as long as that means they're looking to sign Cueto and keep him around for a few more years. They have enough rotation depth (Stephenson, Iglesias, Cingrani, and DiScalfini) to fill in those rotation spots effectively, but you've got to keep the ace around.

Now they have to get a decent outfield bat.

[drudy23]

Now they have to get a decent outfield bat.

Won't be enough if Votto and Bruce don't play like they're capable. Who are these guys...do we get the MVP Votto and the contending MVP Bruce? Or do we get the players we saw this year? Will the real Votto and Bruce please stand up.

[bleedXblue]

Won't be enough if Votto and Bruce don't play like they're capable. Who are these guys...do we get the MVP Votto and the contending MVP Bruce? Or do we get the players we saw this year? Will the real Votto and Bruce please stand up.

Both have all of the physical tools you could ever ask for. What's between the ears is in question.

[Juice]

The Marlins have also been active on the trading block during winter meetings - they also got Dan Haren to add to their pitching staff along with speedster Dee Gordon from the Dodgers.

As for the short and long term, the Reds need a few bats if they're going to be a playoff contender anytime soon. Pitching wasn't the issue last year, and we should probably be glad they were able to "sell high" on Alfredo Simon.

Harden said that he may retire if he was traded to anyone but the Angels.

[Juice]

Both have all of the physical tools you could ever ask for. What's between the ears is in question.


I think their struggles had way more to both of their injuries to the their knees and hammy for Votto. Can't really hit for power if you can't drive the ball.

[XUFan09]

I think their struggles had way more to both of their injuries to the their knees and hammy for Votto. Can't really hit for power if you can't drive the ball.
And when that's true, pitchers have more flexibility in how they can pitch to you, making it harder to get a hit or a walk in the first place.

[DC Muskie]

Harden said that he may retire if he was traded to anyone but the Angels.

Which no one will notice, since he retied the year he played for the Nats. Unfortunately he didn't tell the Nats that when he went out to the mound every fifth game.

[waggy]

He could go work on a shrimp boat.

[xu82]

He could go work on a shrimp boat.

Bubba Gumps?

[bobbiemcgee]

✔
@10AJMcCarron

Greatest QB to ever put on the Crimson and White uniform. I love you man and God and the heavens just got a Great Angel. RIP K.S #LEGEND

Kenny "the Snake" Stabler. Fourth Quarter Magician.

[X-Fan]

Gottlieb is such a prick. Even though no longer with ESPN, he still carries their bias & bs takes. I hope to rub this tweet in his face in about 4 weeks.

@GottliebShow: "Nova and Xavier are nice teams- probably 4th in ACC,Big 12-- Big Ten maybe higher depending on schedule"

[Masterofreality]

Gottlieb is such a prick. Even though no longer with ESPN, he still carries their bias & bs takes. I hope to rub this tweet in his face in about 4 weeks.

@GottliebShow: "Nova and Xavier are nice teams- probably 4th in ACC,Big 12-- Big Ten maybe higher depending on schedule"

Prolly still hates private schools since his ass was run out of Notre Dame on a rail. Oh, and the Big10 is overrated as hell.

#BustTheF-ingDoorDown

[Xville]

Gottlieb is such a prick. Even though no longer with ESPN, he still carries their bias & bs takes. I hope to rub this tweet in his face in about 4 weeks.

@GottliebShow: "Nova and Xavier are nice teams- probably 4th in ACC,Big 12-- Big Ten maybe higher depending on schedule"

I agree gottlieb is a prick, but if you look at it objectively, he probably isn't that far off. I think nova and x could be anywhere from 1-5 in those leagues and the difference between those spots are minimal.

Take a look at the acc standings for instance. they go right now in order: unc, miami, virginia, louisville and duke. Number four in that league in louisville. Now of course they are on probation but if they weren't they are probably a final four contender. Also, can you definitely say we would be better than four in that league...I dunno. Even at four though, you are a final four and national championship contender. The big East is a really good conference, but the acc, big 12 and maybe big ten though I think they are a bit overrated, are another step above.

Can we all stop getting butt hurt every time a national person isn't shoving sunshine and rainbows up our backside?

[Masterofreality]

It would be interesting to see how we would fare in the ACC, Big 12, but to include the Big10 in that discussion is pure boolsheet. Nobody in that league scares me.

[UCGRAD4X]

Can we all stop getting butt hurt every time a national person isn't shoving sunshine and rainbows up our backside?

I think we all know the answer to this!

[kmcrawfo]

I think we all know the answer to this!

I have no problem standing up for Xavier and it's conference. Brian Snow went right at Gottlieb after he made this tweet, if I recall correctly. At times it is only right to call out absurd or unjustified comments which are meant to be derogatory towards X and/or the Big East.

[UCGRAD4X]

I have no problem standing up for Xavier and it's conference. Brian Snow went right at Gottlieb after he made this tweet, if I recall correctly. At times it is only right to call out absurd or unjustified comments which are meant to be derogatory towards X and/or the Big East.

Exactly! If we don't hold the banner - who's going to?

[drudy23]

Even if he is right, does it matter? The national champion is crowned through the bracket, and we can run it.

Who cares where we finish in other conferences.

[X-Fan]

I agree gottlieb is a prick, but if you look at it objectively, he probably isn't that far off. I think nova and x could be anywhere from 1-5 in those leagues and the difference between those spots are minimal.

Take a look at the acc standings for instance. they go right now in order: unc, miami, virginia, louisville and duke. Number four in that league in louisville. Now of course they are on probation but if they weren't they are probably a final four contender. Also, can you definitely say we would be better than four in that league...I dunno. Even at four though, you are a final four and national championship contender. The big East is a really good conference, but the acc, big 12 and maybe big ten though I think they are a bit overrated, are another step above.

Can we all stop getting butt hurt every time a national person isn't shoving sunshine and rainbows up our backside?

I am certainly aware of the quality teams in both the ACC & B12. IMO, Xavier would do quite well in either conference. The best part about the Tourney is that the true cream rises to the top, and in many cases teams from those conferences get exposed. (I find it interesting that he didn't include the P12 in his statement...which make sense b/c that would have been easy to shoot holes in)

Regarding getting butthurt, I am not one to get upset about non-positive things said about X, but this annoyed me for a few reasons.
1. Gottlieb is a troll who posted it mostly unproved and just to get a reaction/traffic/response
2. He pulls this crap when X has all the right metrics/measurables/results to clearly show they are a top 10 team
3. It feeds the BS mainstream attitude that the Big East isn't a top conference.

Note: I only voiced my displeasure on XH. I refuse to give him the reaction he's looking for. I'll let X (and hopefully other Big East members) do the talking for me.

What's amazing to me is that the Big East can do so well in the Non-Conference, and that gets conveniently forgotten once the "big boys" start beating up on each other during conference play. Someone pointed out how X absolutely ran through the Advocare tourney (with Iowa & ND). I'm hoping that we see Big East teams put everyone on notice come Tourney time this year.

As other have said, the way to stop stuff like this is for the BE to kick down the effing door. Let's go fellas!!!!

[muskienick]

The thing that is not taken into consideration by pundits who belittle Xavier is that they fail to look at the history of the Muskies as they moved from downtrodden independent to the MCC. From the MCC to the A10. And from the A10 to the Big East. Never --- Not ever --- did Xavier fail to meet the challenge of membership in a better league by parlaying its own resolve and the quality of the new league itself to improve every aspect of its Men's Basketball Program. Coaches, Athletic Budgets, facilities, and recruiting targets have all risen to the challenge. If we were to gain membership to the ACC or Big 12, the only two Conferences that are somewhat better from top to bottom than the Big East at this stage, we would soon be found challenging for one of the top two positions in that Conference on a regular basis.

[scoscox]

And we can blame all of this trouble on Providence, Georgetown and Butler taking nose dives this year, so it's all good.

[X-Fan]

And we can blame all of this trouble on Providence, Georgetown and Butler taking nose dives this year, so it's all good.

Agree 100% about Georgetown, but did Providence/Butler nosedive or do they just play in a tough conference?

[bleedXblue]

Comments and tweets like this don't make any sense to me because you don't do this UNLESS all you're trying to do is take a jab at the Big East......and I do have an issue with that. Gottleib is and has always been an asshole. I wont follow him, I wont watch his garbage show....he's a hack.

[Masterofreality]

Comments and tweets like this don't make any sense to me because you don't do this UNLESS all you're trying to do is take a jab at the Big East......and I do have an issue with that. Gottleib is and has always been an asshole. I wont follow him, I wont watch his garbage show....he's a hack.

Lest no one forget that Gottlieb was the jerk that most vocally kept the negative light on X after the brawl while throwing nothing but roses at YTG for his "ripping the jersies off his players, and not giving them back"...although it was all empty lip service.

[scoscox]

It's also not helping playing in a ten team conference. I don't think X would finish any lower than third in any league this year FWIW. And yes, the supporting cast in the Big East has been pretty weak this year including Providence and Butler. Creighton and Marquette are underperforming and obviuosly the Johnnies and Blue Demons could use some help. I think the top is very strong this year, but the rest is weaker than it normally is and will be. All those programs are better than their current years and capable of competing for titles any given year.

[Juice]

Gottlieb is such a prick. Even though no longer with ESPN, he still carries their bias & bs takes. I hope to rub this tweet in his face in about 4 weeks.

@GottliebShow: "Nova and Xavier are nice teams- probably 4th in ACC,Big 12-- Big Ten maybe higher depending on schedule"

He left ESPN in 2012 and the Big East didn't even start in its current form until 2013. He's a moron and his tweet is dumb, but not for the reasons you state.

[LA Muskie]

I agree gottlieb is a prick, but if you look at it objectively, he probably isn't that far off. I think nova and x could be anywhere from 1-5 in those leagues and the difference between those spots are minimal.

Take a look at the acc standings for instance. they go right now in order: unc, miami, virginia, louisville and duke. Number four in that league in louisville. Now of course they are on probation but if they weren't they are probably a final four contender. Also, can you definitely say we would be better than four in that league...I dunno. Even at four though, you are a final four and national championship contender. The big East is a really good conference, but the acc, big 12 and maybe big ten though I think they are a bit overrated, are another step above.

Can we all stop getting butt hurt every time a national person isn't shoving sunshine and rainbows up our backside?

Stop being so damn logical and stick with the easy narrative: the media sucks.


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[Caveat]

We're giving him plenty of ammo, sadly.

[X Factor]

Kansas got stomped by 19 points at Oklahoma St. a few weeks ago and Okie State blows.

[PattyMac1021]

After the fight with UC Gottlieb said that no one should be surprised and that you only had to look at Chris Mack's "reputation" as player to expect his team to act like a bunch of "thugs."

This came from the same guy who got kicked out of school for stealing his roommate's credit card. He has no problem with taking shots at other people's history, but is apparently blissfully ignorant of his own.

My recommendation is to just ignore anything and everything he says. Pretend like he doesn't exist, don't share his tweets, don't follow him, etc. etc. He just wants attention.

[LA Muskie]

Kansas got stomped by 19 points at Oklahoma St. a few weeks ago and Okie State blows.

And because of that, people on this board complain that they are "overrated". It always cracks me up how opinions change with the circumstances.


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[Cheesehead]

I guess X will just have to steal a Final 4 appearance.

See what I did there?

[wkrq59]

Having reported on Xavier basketball for almost 10 years and been involved in one way or another over the past 55, I have long believed that true fans are solidly behind their team more following losses than victories. But i'm old now and frankly I don't give two tinkers damns what anybody has to say, they are my team and he's my coach and I really enjoy watching the 2015-16 Muskies more than any team I've seen. Go Muskies and F anybody who says different, especially the nitpicking .......

[paulxu]

Bite me.

Josh Newman ‏@Joshua_Newman · 1h1 hour ago
"The current Big East has an inferiority complex like crazy."--Jay Bilas on the 4 Quarters Podcast

[waggy]

What does that even mean? Between the lines a BE team is national champion. The rest of it is all bullshit.

[Masterofreality]

Bite me.

Josh Newman ‏@Joshua_Newman · 1h1 hour ago
"The current Big East has an inferiority complex like crazy."--Jay Bilas on the 4 Quarters Podcast


What does that even mean? Between the lines a BE team is national champion. The rest of it is all bullshit.

So...now that is ESPN's line? Really Bil-ass? You are so butt hurt over an Big East team beating one of your treasured ACC trophies that you express that as a weak comeback for a clear defeat?

The only "inferiority complex" comes from YOUR side, Jay. Whaaaaaaaaa.....Whaaaaaaaa...Whaaaaaaaaa!

[waggy]

So...now that is ESPN's line? Really Bil-ass? You are so butt hurt over an Big East team beating one of your treasured ACC trophies that you express that as a weak comeback for a clear defeat?

The only "inferiority complex" comes from YOUR side, Jay. Whaaaaaaaaa.....Whaaaaaaaa...Whaaaaaaaaa!


The BE winning the championship really is a problem for the mouth runners at ESPN. Because well, now all their mouth running is exposed for exactly what it is.

[Cheesehead]

Bite me.

Josh Newman ‏@Joshua_Newman · 1h1 hour ago
"The current Big East has an inferiority complex like crazy."--Jay Bilas on the 4 Quarters Podcast

I happen to be home sick yesterday and caught some of Gottlieb's show on TV. He was talking about all the Nova fans who apparently gave him a lot of shit at the Final 4 for his comments earlier in the season. Gottlieb is a turd. His main comeback was that he stands by what he said at the time and that Nova is making shots now that they weren't making earlier in the season.

Did I mention Gottlieb is a turd?

[paulxu]

It's just like sUCks.

BI(l)AS.

[bleedXblue]

I happen to be home sick yesterday and caught some of Gottlieb's show on TV. He was talking about all the Nova fans who apparently gave him a lot of shit at the Final 4 for his comments earlier in the season. Gottlieb is a turd. His main comeback was that he stands by what he said at the time and that Nova is making shots now that they weren't making earlier in the season.

Did I mention Gottlieb is a turd?

More like a complete asshole.

[XUMIOH12]

I happen to be home sick yesterday and caught some of Gottlieb's show on TV. He was talking about all the Nova fans who apparently gave him a lot of shit at the Final 4 for his comments earlier in the season. Gottlieb is a turd. His main comeback was that he stands by what he said at the time and that Nova is making shots now that they weren't making earlier in the season.

Did I mention Gottlieb is a turd?

must have been a really shitty day if you were home sick AND listening to Doug Gottlieb

[Cheesehead]

must have been a really shitty day if you were home sick AND listening to Doug Gottlieb

it was worse, I was actually watching his radio show on CBS sports network. I honestly had no idea they put that crap on TV too. I still feel like shit though and I blame it on Gottlieb.

[bobbiemcgee]

Yeah, he actually acknowledged he was a BE and Villanova hater and took only calls from UNC lovers. How does he keep that show? Idiot.

[X-band '01]

If he got you to listen and watch, that's your answer.

[xudash]

Yeah, he actually acknowledged he was a BE and Villanova hater and took only calls from UNC lovers. How does he keep that show? Idiot.

Given the number of UNC graduates/students/fans as compared to those for Nova, I'd say he's pandering to a large audience, which allows him to keep his show.

Of course, he gets to do all this at the expense of branding himself as an asshole. Even more significantly, an asshole with a checkered past.

He won't ever find himself mentioned in the same breath with the great sportscasters.

[xustritch]

Hmmm... So a UNC team that shot under 33% from 3 point range for the season, suddenly hits 65% from 3 in the championship game, and he says Nova is the team that started making shots they didn't make the rest of the season?! Interesting take, Doug...

[Masterofreality]

Hmmm... So a UNC team that shot under 33% from 3 point range for the season, suddenly hits 65% from 3 in the championship game, and he says Nova is the team that started making shots they didn't make the rest of the season?! Interesting take, Doug...

This is one great take.

[Juice]

Glenn Marini ‎‎@GMariniWANE15

Can confirm Steve McElevene passed away this afternoon at his family's home after collapsing. Enlarged heart is believe to be the cause.

[GoMuskies]

This is a Dayton player?

[Juice]

This is a Dayton player?

Yes

[xudash]

Glenn Marini ‎‎@GMariniWANE15

Can confirm Steve McElevene passed away this afternoon at his family's home after collapsing. Enlarged heart is believe to be the cause.

That is terrible.

[ammtd34]

Oh my God.

[RealDeal]

Awful. Really awful.

[GetUp5]

Wow. Really keeps things in perspective. That is incredibly sad. Prayers to his family and UD.

[xu82]

That is horrible! Did they know he had issues? Was this out of the blue? And yes, it does keep things in perspective.

[paulxu]

That's very sad.

[XUGRAD80]

Always a shame and very sad to see a young man die before his time is due. Prayers to his family and his UD coaches and teammates. This must be very heard for them.

[ammtd34]

That is horrible! Did they know he had issues? Was this out of the blue? And yes, it does keep things in perspective.

If it's cardiomyopathy, which seems to be the case, they likely wouldn't have let him play if he had been diagnosed. It's diagnosed through an echocardiogram. I can't believe those aren't a mandatory part of every NCAA physical. Hank Gathers, Jason Collier, Reggie Lewis, and many others have died far too young from this.

[MADXSTER]

Prayer sent. God Speed.

[Nigel Tufnel]

That is horrible news. A friend and former law partner of mine collapsed and died from the exact thing last Friday. 37 years old. He had 7 and 8 year old boys. Tragic.

[MADXSTER]

Last week a girl at Mercy HS, freshman walking down the hall, died from an embolism. Very Sad days.

[xu82]

That is horrible news. A friend and former law partner of mine collapsed and died from the exact thing last Friday. 37 years old. He had 7 and 8 year old boys. Tragic.

Wow, this is scary how prevalent this is. And to have small kids, or for HS kids. Make the most of every day folks, as it may be your last. I'm shocked at how early and often this can happen in a natural way.

[GuyFawkes38]

Ugh. Just awful. So what's the argument against testing? Does it just come down to money or is there doubt regarding the test.