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[RetireFiftyTu]

This kind of thing seems to keep popping up. Testing should be mandatory, and not just for athletes. Incredibly sad.

[xu82]

Ugh. Just awful. So what's the argument against testing? Does it just come down to money or is there doubt regarding the test.

As much as I hate it, what DOESN'T come down to money?

[Nigel Tufnel]

Ugh. Just awful. So what's the argument against testing? Does it just come down to money or is there doubt regarding the test.

Good question. The coroner who did his autopsy said it could have been diagnosed and treated (with heart surgery or possible transplant) with a simple chest X-ray. But the guy had no symptoms. He was in decent shape (maybe 10-15 lbs overweight) but was always working outside. His tragic passing will have me at the doctor for a full physical soon. He was turkey hunting Friday morning, saw some turkeys and started running after them, chest tightened, he sat down, collapsed and was dead 20 minutes later.

He was also a UD grad. College of Law 2005.

[waggy]

Damn you turkey's.

[ammtd34]

I have cardiomyopathy. My dad found out he had it when undergoing cancer treatment so my brother, sister, and I got tested. I wouldn't have known otherwise. After playing soccer and basketball in high school and soccer in college, I felt pretty lucky.

I'm not sure what the argument is against testing. The only thing I can think of is that a diagnosis would probably end someone's career, but when you see stuff like this happen, that seems justified.

[bleedXblue]

Almost any college level sport put physical demands on your body that would make this kind of testing a no brainer. If it saves 1 kid his life, it's worth it.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Last week a girl at Mercy HS, freshman walking down the hall, died from an embolism. Very Sad days.

When I was in High School at Walnut, we had a player die in the middle of a game due to HCM. That next day back at school had to be one of the saddest days I can remember.

[JTG]

Ok, let me get this straight. You are required to have a Dr. physical to play CYO sports or Little league, but you aren't required to have a physical to play D1 basketball ? How effed up is that ? Especially when there are team Drs.

[ammtd34]

Ok, let me get this straight. You are required to have a Dr. physical to play CYO sports or Little league, but you aren't required to have a physical to play D1 basketball ? How effed up is that ? Especially when there are team Drs.

No. You need a physical to play D1 basketball, but echos aren't part of them.

[ammtd34]

Autopsy results were released yesterday. HCM, as suspected. It's amazing that high level athletes have hearts that will be pushed the hardest, and a test to find problems with their hearts isn't mandatory.

[nuts4xu]

Ok, let me get this straight. You are required to have a Dr. physical to play CYO sports or Little league, but you aren't required to have a physical to play D1 basketball ? How effed up is that ? Especially when there are team Drs.

You are not required to have a physical to play CYO (or GCYL as it is now called) or little league. Even the physicals they have in HS don't involve any testing that would prevent HCM. Most will check your BP, pulse, weight, and height....and little else. They do not involve blood tests or anything intrusive, they basically check your vital signs to make sure there isn't a red flag in the numbers.

[ammtd34]

You are not required to have a physical to play CYO (or GCYL as it is now called) or little league. Even the physicals they have in HS don't involve any testing that would prevent HCM. Most will check your BP, pulse, weight, and height....and little else. They do not involve blood tests or anything intrusive, they basically check your vital signs to make sure there isn't a red flag in the numbers.

Most NCAA and professional physicals are like that as well. I think Jason Collier dying made the NBA mandate testing.

[Lamont Sanford]

Having played an "Olympic" sport for four years at XU back in the early 90's, we had an annual physical every August at the start of school. It was no more than weight, height, blood pressure and the old turn and cough.

[ammtd34]

Having played an "Olympic" sport for four years at XU back in the early 90's, we had an annual physical every August at the start of school. It was no more than weight, height, blood pressure and the old turn and cough.

Same, mid-2000s. My freshman year, they said, "Did you know you have a heart murmur?" I said, "Yes. It's functional." And that was that.

[bleedXblue]

I experienced the same thing back in the early 90's. The physical was a joke. I am sure there will be some movement here in the near future.

[X-band '01]

Tweets and trending topics you don't love today:

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[MADXSTER]

Tweets and trending topics you don't love today:

#NationalWatermelon(Dayton)Day

Fixed it for ya

[X-band '01]

@holylandofhoops: My suggestion for the NCAA is to give the Greensboro games to Dayton this year. Good support & everything already in place from First Four.

Note to the Holy Land - you can still redeem yourselves and claim that your account was hacked by Flyer fans.

[Juice]

Took a visit to X and was seen as a 2nd option to Wilkes

Jeff Borzello ‏@jeffborzello 16m16 minutes ago
ESPN 100 forward Justin Smith tells ESPN he is down to Indiana and Villanova. Took official visits to both... http://es.pn/2d3hNkT

[XUFan09]

Took a visit to X and was seen as a 2nd option to Wilkes

Jeff Borzello ‏@jeffborzello 16m16 minutes ago
ESPN 100 forward Justin Smith tells ESPN he is down to Indiana and Villanova. Took official visits to both... http://es.pn/2d3hNkT
That one never felt quite right in terms of Xavier's chances, but I was hopeful.

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[ArizonaXUGrad]

I agree, I really want Scruggs.


That one never felt quite right in terms of Xavier's chances, but I was hopeful.

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[XUMIOH12]

I agree, I really want Scruggs.

are the decisions of those two even related at all?

[XUFan09]

are the decisions of those two even related at all?
Nope.

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[XUMIOH12]

Nope.

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thats what i thought ha. Maybe he was just stating he really wants scruggs. In which case, I really want Scruggs!

[XMuskieFTW]

I really want Wilkes!

[XUMIOH12]

I really want Wilkes!

I really want Scruggs AND Wilkes!

[Roadlife]

I really want Scruggs AND Wilkes!

And, in accordance with many Miss America contestants, I want peace on earth but the likelihood of that is dim.

[muskiefan82]

And, in accordance with many Miss America contestants, I want peace on earth but the likelihood of that is dim.

...and harsher punishment for parole violators, Stan.

[xu82]

And, in accordance with many Miss America contestants, I want peace on earth but the likelihood of that is dim.

I think she's got it covered....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww

But I still want Scruggs AND Wilkes!


I apologize to anyone still traumatized over watching a Charles Barkley golf swing.

[Juice]

Two Big East teams in this article https://twitter.com/garyparrishcbs/status/779683628657811457

[JTG]

Considering rent for what amounts to a large closet in NYC is 2 grand, those players @St Johns were pocketing serious cash for college kids. That arrangement just presents all sort of opportunities for cheating. No wonder they suck, now that the money train has been derailed.

[X-band '01]

There's still the cost of attendance stipend; they're simply playing on a more level playing field now.

[THRILLHOUSE]

@BSnowScout Kris Wilkes tells me he is down to Illinois, Indiana and UCLA (the schools he already visited) https://t.co/Nh8xMtKlCb

[AviatorX]

@BSnowScout Kris Wilkes tells me he is down to Illinois, Indiana and UCLA (the schools he already visited) https://t.co/Nh8xMtKlCb

Yeah, hard to see Crean missing here. Basically needs Wilkes if IU is going to have any semblance of an offense in 17-18.

[xu82]

@BSnowScout Kris Wilkes tells me he is down to Illinois, Indiana and UCLA (the schools he already visited) https://t.co/Nh8xMtKlCb

Disappointing, but not surprising. Sounds like IU, but I'd love a shocking change of heart! Go X!

[XUMIOH12]

eh pretty disappointing to not make the final 3 in this one

[AviatorX]

eh pretty disappointing to not make the final 3 in this one

Based on the list of schools he kept and some of his quotes from the IU visit it seems clear he's looking for a college experience Xavier can't really offer.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

It would be nice to have him, but he is probably a one-and-done type of player, so X might not be losing that much. You win some and lose some, but we will be fine.

[MuskieXU]

Agreed. When we get our first 5 star it'll be the right 5 star. Patience

[XUMIOH12]

It would be nice to have him, but he is probably a one-and-done type of player, so X might not be losing that much. You win some and lose some, but we will be fine.

you make it sound like having a one and done player is a bad thing

[XUMIOH12]

Agreed. When we get our first 5 star it'll be the right 5 star. Patience

give me a break...

[XUFan09]

you make it sound like having a one and done player is a bad thing

Lol yeah. Crawford wasn't a one-and-done player, but he only suited up in a Xavier uniform for one year. It worked out pretty well for us.

[xu82]

Lol yeah. Crawford wasn't a one-and-done player, but he only suited up in a Xavier uniform for one year. It worked out pretty well for us.

Best game to view ever? (Regardless of, you know.....)

[xavierj]

Agreed. When we get our first 5 star it'll be the right 5 star. Patience

Semaj Christon was a 5 star....

[AviatorX]

you make it sound like having a one and done player is a bad thing

Yeah why would we want guys that are good enough to go to the NBA after one season? Never works for anyone.

[STL_XUfan]

Yeah why would we want guys that are good enough to go to the NBA after one season? Never works for anyone.

I'll take scrappy over talent any day. I mean what we need is a real gym rat that really puts his nose to the grindstone. Someone that is the first at practice and the last to leave the weight room. Possibly a coach's son that has a great head on his shoulder who is like having a second coach on the floor. And above all else the number one criteria is articulate.

[XUFan09]

I'll take scrappy over talent any day. I mean what we need is a real gym rat that really puts his nose to the grindstone. Someone that is the first at practice and the last to leave the weight room. Possibly a coach's son that has a great head on his shoulder who is like having a second coach on the floor. And above all else the number one criteria is articulate.
Ha!

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[AviatorX]

I'll take scrappy over talent any day. I mean what we need is a real gym rat that really puts his nose to the grindstone. Someone that is the first at practice and the last to leave the weight room. Possibly a coach's son that has a great head on his shoulder who is like having a second coach on the floor. And above all else the number one criteria is articulate.

Lol. Started reading and was going to add coaches son. Glad you had it covered.

[GoMuskies]

I'll take scrappy over talent any day. I mean what we need is a real gym rat that really puts his nose to the grindstone. Someone that is the first at practice and the last to leave the weight room. Possibly a coach's son that has a great head on his shoulder who is like having a second coach on the floor. And above all else the number one criteria is articulate.

I'd take a Doug McDermott.

[paulxu]

Buddy Mack, 5 star, class of '32.

[MuskieXU]

Semaj Christon was a 5 star....

On some sites. We have yet to land a consensus 5 star.

[XUMIOH12]

On some sites. We have yet to land a consensus 5 star.

yeah he was only a 5 star by Scout.

[MuskieXU]

Yeah why would we want guys that are good enough to go to the NBA after one season? Never works for anyone.

It can also backfire. Less turnover on the roster is a good thing. Recruiting 5 stars, specifically in years when theyre not going to turn you from a good to great team, takes up the spot of another player who you could be developing. I think a lot of people here are under the impression that landing one 5 star will open the floodgates for others, but in reality theres only a handful of schools that are landing these players consistently and having success with them. In fact, there are a lot of schools who arent having success with them (see LSU or UNLV.) Maybe this is just a huge spin zone by me, but I'm happy with the way we are recruiting and think a 5 star would just be icing on the cake, not some requirement to get to the next level.

[Juice]

It can also backfire. Less turnover on the roster is a good thing. Recruiting 5 stars, specifically in years when theyre not going to turn you from a good to great team, takes up the spot of another player who you could be developing. I think a lot of people here are under the impression that landing one 5 star will open the floodgates for others, but in reality theres only a handful of schools that are landing these players consistently and having success with them. In fact, there are a lot of schools who arent having success with them (see LSU or UNLV.) Maybe this is just a huge spin zone by me, but I'm happy with the way we are recruiting and think a 5 star would just be icing on the cake, not some requirement to get to the next level.

X currently has like 3-4 open scholarships for this year's roster. You can do both.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

It can also backfire. Less turnover on the roster is a good thing. Recruiting 5 stars, specifically in years when theyre not going to turvn you from a good to great team, takes up the spot of another player who you could be developing. I think a lot of people here are under the impression that landing one 5 star will open the floodgates for others, but in reality theres only a handful of schools that are landing these players consistently and having success with them. In fact, there are a lot of schools who arent having success with them (see LSU or UNLV.) Maybe this is just a huge spin zone by me, but I'm happy with the way we are recruiting and think a 5 star would just be icing on the cake, not some requirement to get to the next level.


I agree. A 5 star freshman is still a freshman who need time to adjust and develop. He might have good potential, but if he is is a one-and-done player, the school does not really benefit that much.

[AviatorX]

I agree. A 5 star freshman is still a freshman who need time to adjust and develop. He might have good potential, but if he is is a one-and-done player, the school does not really benefit that much.

Not really sure about this -- the benefit is you have a player good enough to play in the NBA after one year on your team. LSU and UNLV aside (their coaching staffs suck), that is generally a good thing.

[MuskieXU]

X currently has like 3-4 open scholarships for this year's roster. You can do both.

Agreed. It definitely would've been nice to land Wilkes, dont get me wrong. I just dont think it wouldve pushed the program forward in the way a lot of people believe. With the current state of college basketball, unless you're Duke or UK, the way to win championships is by recruiting and developing the best 3/4 year players in the nation and Xavier has started to do that. I guess I just sense a bit of anxiety among fans regarding landing our first 5 star and personally I see it as a secondary goal.

[MuskieXU]

Not really sure about this -- the benefit is you have a player good enough to play in the NBA after one year on your team. LSU and UNLV aside (their coaching staffs suck), that is generally a good thing.

16 schools landed 5 Stars last year and 10 of those 16 didnt win an NCAA game. You're right in that its generally a good thing, but they often dont have nearly the impact that you might expect. Its a much less important factor than most people think.

[XUMIOH12]

16 schools landed 5 Stars last year and 10 of those 16 didnt win an NCAA game. You're right in that its generally a good thing, but they often dont have nearly the impact that you might expect. Its a much less important factor than most people think.

yeah but if Xavier were to land a 5 star recruit, it could be the player that puts them over the top to become one of the tourney favorites.

[AviatorX]

16 schools landed 5 Stars last year and 10 of those 16 didnt win an NCAA game. You're right in that its generally a good thing, but they often dont have nearly the impact that you might expect. Its a much less important factor than most people think.

Alright but how many of the Final 4 teams had at least one 5 star on their roster? I would imagine all of them every year with the exception of the Butler/VCU runs.

Edit: Maybe not as cut and dry with Wisconsin's recent run as well. I think you are making a solid point. I think we're both right in the sense that the difference between LSU/UNLV landing occasional 5 stars and X is that X typically has a solid roster filled out with guys developing for a few years, so that uber talented piece could be more impactful.

[Roadlife]

As Como, Price and Martin sang

Don't let the stars get in your eyes
Don't let the moon break your heart
Love blooms at night
In daylight it dies

[MuskieXU]

Alright but how many of the Final 4 teams had at least one 5 star on their roster? I would imagine all of them every year with the exception of the Butler/VCU runs.

Edit: Maybe not as cut and dry with Wisconsin's recent run as well. I think you are making a solid point. I think we're both right in the sense that the difference between LSU/UNLV landing occasional 5 stars and X is that X typically has a solid roster filled out with guys developing for a few years, so that uber talented piece could be more impactful.

Completely agree with you and XUMIOH that landing a 5 star on an already talented roster can be a piece that puts you over the top. I would be happy to be proven wrong, but I dont see our 2017/2018 roster as one thats a 5 star away from making a F4 run, so Im not all that upset about losing Wilkes. We accomplished our main goal of loading our roster with talent for the long term. Now, if you said we could potentially land a 5 star when our 2016 class are seniors and 2017 are Juniors, that might be something I would get very excited about...

[ammtd34]

Sam Dekker was a 5 star recruit.

[MuskieXU]

Sam Dekker was a 5 star recruit.

Yup, thats correct. Since the one and done era has really taken off, I would say about half of the final 4 teams have a 5 star and about half dont. Of those that do, Duke and UK are really the only ones where 5 stars are their most important players (with a few exceptions.) I dont have time to do extensive research currently, but I would feel confident saying landing great recruiting classes full of 3/4 year players has been a much more important factor in tournament success over the past 5-10 years as compared to landing 5 stars. Xavier is recruiting 3/4 year players as well as anyone in the country, so it really shouldn't bother anyone that we have yet to land a consensus 5 star player.

[Juice]

Yup, thats correct. Since the one and done era has really taken off, I would say about half of the final 4 teams have a 5 star and about half dont. Of those that do, Duke and UK are really the only ones where 5 stars are their most important players (with a few exceptions.) I dont have time to do extensive research currently, but I would feel confident saying landing great recruiting classes full of 3/4 year players has been a much more important factor in tournament success over the past 5-10 years as compared to landing 5 stars. Xavier is recruiting 3/4 year players as well as anyone in the country, so it really shouldn't bother anyone that we have yet to land a consensus 5 star player.

I couldn't disagree more. Here's the list of champions the last ten years: Florida, Kansas, UNC, Duke, UConn, UK, Louisville, Villanova.

Of those teams I'd say UConn and Villanova don't consistently get 5 star players. And let's not confuse the 5 star/NBA types that played for those other teams who could have gone pro but chose to stay in school, i.e. Noah, Horford, Hansborough, etc.

And even those UConn teams and Nova were loaded with 4 star players who ended up in the NBA. Talent and athleticism win. It's what separated X from when Duke beat us in the elite 8, from UCLA when they whooped our as in the elite 8, etc.

[Xville]

I couldn't disagree more. Here's the list of champions the last ten years: Florida, Kansas, UNC, Duke, UConn, UK, Louisville, Villanova.

Of those teams I'd say UConn and Villanova don't consistently get 5 star players. And let's not confuse the 5 star/NBA types that played for those other teams who could have gone pro but chose to stay in school, i.e. Noah, Horford, Hansborough, etc.

And even those UConn teams and Nova were loaded with 4 star players who ended up in the NBA. Talent and athleticism win. It's what separated X from when Duke beat us in the elite 8, from UCLA when they whooped our as in the elite 8, etc.

Agree with all of this. If you don't think landing 5 stars is important to get to where we want to be, then you have not been paying attention to college basketball. Yes every once in a while there is going to be a Villanova butler or vcu, but if we want to consistently compete for final fours or championships, x needs a couple of 5 stars consistently. If you are content with sweet 16s and an elite eight every few years, then we can continue what we are doing, but those aren't the goals anymore. X has to get to the next level.

[XUMIOH12]

i couldn't disagree more. Here's the list of champions the last ten years: Florida, kansas, unc, duke, uconn, uk, louisville, villanova.

Of those teams i'd say uconn and villanova don't consistently get 5 star players. And let's not confuse the 5 star/nba types that played for those other teams who could have gone pro but chose to stay in school, i.e. Noah, horford, hansborough, etc.

And even those uconn teams and nova were loaded with 4 star players who ended up in the nba. Talent and athleticism win. It's what separated x from when duke beat us in the elite 8, from ucla when they whooped our as in the elite 8, etc.


agree with all of this. If you don't think landing 5 stars is important to get to where we want to be, then you have not been paying attention to college basketball. Yes every once in a while there is going to be a villanova butler or vcu, but if we want to consistently compete for final fours or championships, x needs a couple of 5 stars consistently. If you are content with sweet 16s and an elite eight every few years, then we can continue what we are doing, but those aren't the goals anymore. X has to get to the next level.

thank you!!!

[XUMIOH12]

according to rivals (which only has classes/rankings back to 2002) each NCAA champion since 2003 has had at least 1 five star recruit on their team except for, surprisingly, both of the Florida championship teams in 06 and 07

[XUMIOH12]

according to rivals (which only has classes/rankings back to 2002) each NCAA champion since 2003 has had at least 1 five star recruit on their team except for, surprisingly, both of the Florida championship teams in 06 and 07

and each of those Florida teams had 3+ legit NBA players on the team

[AviatorX]

Nova had 5 star Brunson last year FWIW.

[MuskieXU]

I never said 5 stars werent important, I just dont think landing this particular one was. My number one priority for our 2017 class was to recruit a few great long term players and we have done that. UConn, Louisville, and Nova won their championships on the back of great multiple year 4 star recruits. We are recruiting at that level now, and thats exactly where I think we need to be. Yes, they supplemented those players with a 5 star kid to make their championship runs, and I hope we can do that as well, but its not something that is particularly important to me yet because I dont think we wouldve made a final 4 run while wilkes was at X.

[MuskieCinci]

and each of those Florida teams had 3+ legit NBA players on the team

THIS is what is actually important when it comes to going really deep in the NCAA Tournament. Teams pretty much need to have multiple NBA level guys to get to the Final Four win championships. 5 stars tend to be the guys that get drafted into the NBA, but if a coach somehow has an incredible eye for talent and gets 3 and 4 star guys who develop and end up being good enough for the league they will be making very deep tournament runs as well.

Bringing a 5 star on board isn't a guarantee of success either, but it will most likely help. If the rest of your roster stinks and you bring in a 5 star, for the most part you still stink (Henry Ellenson, Marquette). If the rest of your roster is really good and you bring in a 5 star, it can help you win a national championship (Jalen Brunson, Villanova).

[XUFan09]

I never said 5 stars werent important, I just dont think landing this particular one was. My number one priority for our 2017 class was to recruit a few great long term players and we have done that. UConn, Louisville, and Nova won their championships on the back of great multiple year 4 star recruits. We are recruiting at that level now, and thats exactly where I think we need to be. Yes, they supplemented those players with a 5 star kid to make their championship runs, and I hope we can do that as well, but its not something that is particularly important to me yet because I dont think we wouldve made a final 4 run while wilkes was at X.
It seems like you are operating under the assumption that Wilkes is a one-and-done. There is a good likelihood that he's not.

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[MuskieXU]

It seems like you are operating under the assumption that Wilkes is a one-and-done. There is a good likelihood that he's not.

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Fair point. I guess time will tell. He would've been a great get. We're knocking on the door of getting our first, should only be a matter of time.

[xufan02]

Wilkes is not likely a one and done. He is a two year player at a minimum. Xavier is in great shape with Scruggs who is a high four star lead guard. I expect him to commit within the week to give us another headliner for our 2017 class.

[Olsingledigit]

Wilkes is not likely a one and done. He is a two year player at a minimum. Xavier is in great shape with Scruggs who is a high four star lead guard. I expect him to commit within the week to give us another headliner for our 2017 class.

Certainly hope you are right on Scruggs.

[IM4X]

Wilkes is not likely a one and done. He is a two year player at a minimum. Xavier is in great shape with Scruggs who is a high four star lead guard. I expect him to commit within the week to give us another headliner for our 2017 class.

Man, I hope you're right - I keep thinking one of these posts in this "Things you Don't Love" thread is going to be bad news about Scruggs, not just continued thoughts about whether or not someone is a 5 star or one and done.

I'm ready for the "Tweets You Gotta Love..." thread to be hit with news and tons of follow up posts about the commitment of a key recruit, instead of always wondering if that next post to this thread might be about the recruit we're waiting to hear from.

[xudash]

Man, I hope you're right - I keep thinking one of these posts in this "Things you Don't Love" thread is going to be bad news about Scruggs, not just continued thoughts about whether or not someone is a 5 star or one and done.

I'm ready for the "Tweets You Gotta Love..." thread to be hit with news and tons of follow up posts about the commitment of a key recruit, instead of always wondering if that next post to this thread might be about the recruit we're waiting to hear from.

Public reps where private ones have already been conveyed.

[SemajParlor]

I don't really follow why people get caught up on the stars of recruits anyways. Isn't it kind of arbitrary? Can't you just replace it with "good player" once the season has completed? I dunno, I guess that's partially the reason why I don't spend as much time on recruiting.

FWIW pretty sure Kemba was a 5 star.

[SemajParlor]

All sorts of posting / editing / quote fail issues going on.

[SemajParlor]

Of those teams I'd say UConn and Villanova don't consistently get 5 star players.

Kind of off topic but Uconn consistently got 5 stars in the 2000's. You had to to survive in that Big East. There was a recent stall in that (new conference new coach / ncaa sanctions) but they are revamped and back with a ridiculous class this year.

[Strange Brew]

Kind of off topic but Uconn consistently got 5 stars in the 2000's. You had to to survive in that Big East. There was a recent stall in that (new conference new coach / ncaa sanctions) but they are revamped and back with a ridiculous class this year.

I like what Ollie is doing in Storrs. Too bad they are stuck in the AAC.

[Juice]

Kind of off topic but Uconn consistently got 5 stars in the 2000's. You had to to survive in that Big East. There was a recent stall in that (new conference new coach / ncaa sanctions) but they are revamped and back with a ridiculous class this year.

UConn has had way more than I thought. You're correct. http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/top-25-recruits-since-2000-for-current-aac-schools-remember-dajuan-wagner/

But I guess that reinforces our original point, 5 star players/NBA caliber players matter.

[SemajParlor]

UConn has had way more than I thought. You're correct. http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/top-25-recruits-since-2000-for-current-aac-schools-remember-dajuan-wagner/

But I guess that reinforces our original point, 5 star players/NBA caliber players matter.

Yeah personally I would put more emphasis on the NBA caliber players matter but I hear what you are saying.

Ben Gordon, Emeka Okafor, Caron Butler, Shabazz Napier etc. did a lot more for the program than some of these 5 stars listed.

[SemajParlor]

I like what Ollie is doing in Storrs. Too bad they are stuck in the AAC.

I have a love / hate relationship with the Uconn basketball program. It is bizarre to me though how they seemingly always get put to the side. They've won 4 National championships since 1999. All you hear about is Duke, UNC, Kentucky, Kansas and Michigan St. as the big dogs. Always find it a little strange.

[Juice]

Yeah personally I would put more emphasis on the NBA caliber players matter but I hear what you are saying.

Ben Gordon, Emeka Okafor, Caron Butler, Shabazz Napier etc. did a lot more for the program than some of these 5 stars listed.

I definitely knew they had those guys. I was more thinking the Kevin O era but I also forgot the first of the two championships in recent history for them (2011) was Calhoun and not Ollie.

Needless to say, I've been having a huge brain fart on UConn's recent history.

[Juice]

I have a love / hate relationship with the Uconn basketball program. It is bizarre to me though how they seemingly always get put to the side. They've won 4 National championships since 1999. All you hear about is Duke, UNC, Kentucky, Kansas and Michigan St. as the big dogs. Always find it a little strange.

I'm guessing it was because in 2011 they were a 3 seed only because they ran the table in the BE tourney. They were 9th in the BE that year. In 2014 they were a 7 seed after they finished 3rd in the AAC. Impressive runs both years but neither year/team screams dominant teams but more that they got hot/lucky when it mattered.

[xudash]

Geez,

Love you guys, but, for the love of Mike, keep this toxic thread to the toxic tweets it is meant to house, and take the side conversations elsewhere.

At least wait until we get final word on Scruggs either way.

[LA Muskie]

I have a love / hate relationship with the Uconn basketball program. It is bizarre to me though how they seemingly always get put to the side. They've won 4 National championships since 1999. All you hear about is Duke, UNC, Kentucky, Kansas and Michigan St. as the big dogs. Always find it a little strange.
I agree in general, although I'm not sure MSU belongs on that list. Either way, I think it has a lot to do with their respective coaching situations and the fact that each is fairly synonymous with their HOF coach. Of the 5 schools you listed, only 1 has a coach who has been there fewer than 13 years -- UK, which has been to the Final Four 4 times (winning once) in Calipari's 7 "short" years there. Hell, Izzo has been the head coach at at MSU for 21 years (7 Final Fours with 1 Championship) and Coach K has been the head coach at Duke for 36 years (12 Final Four's, converting 5 into championships).

[IM4X]

I definitely knew they had those guys. I was more thinking the Kevin O era but I also forgot the first of the two championships in recent history for them (2011) was Calhoun and not Ollie.

Needless to say, I've been having a huge brain fart on UConn's recent history.

Thanks to everyone for discontinuing posts that were not related to bad news on this "Don't Love" thread. Now that Sruggs is on board, I think we can feel a little less on edge. Except if one of these guys decommits? Oh crap. When do they sign.

[X-band '01]

Videos that need to be burned off of the Internet and from our collective minds:


https://youtu.be/P1OVDcCWB_8?t=30s

Sadly, this is our version of the cheesy Dayton Flyers intro from the late 1980s.

[casualfan]

I gotta be honest this one rubbed me the wrong way:

https://twitter.com/PBrennanENQ/status/836667117021900800

I live out of town so I don't make it to a ton of games and I wasn't there Saturday to know if the crowd was weak, but I've never really been a fan of coaches getting on the fans and asking them to provide a better atmosphere.

Your job as a coach is to put a product on the court people can be excited about, not vice versa.

EDIT: Watching it again I understand the point he was trying to make, but the part about the atmosphere on Saturday not being what it needed to be still rubs me wrong.

[Juice]

I gotta be honest this one rubbed me the wrong way:

https://twitter.com/PBrennanENQ/status/836667117021900800

I live out of town so I don't make it to a ton of games and I wasn't there Saturday to know if the crowd was weak, but I've never really been a fan of coaches getting on the fans and asking them to provide a better atmosphere.

Your job as a coach is to put a product on the court people can be excited about, not vice versa.

He wasn't even that harsh. He said the environment on Sunday wasn't great, and it wasn't. I was there. And then he asked for the fans to stick with them, it's the last game of the year. He asked for a good crowd to help the team. You're being a tad sensitive for a guy who wasn't even there.

[XUMIOH12]

I gotta be honest this one rubbed me the wrong way:

https://twitter.com/PBrennanENQ/status/836667117021900800

I live out of town so I don't make it to a ton of games and I wasn't there Saturday to know if the crowd was weak, but I've never really been a fan of coaches getting on the fans and asking them to provide a better atmosphere.

Your job as a coach is to put a product on the court people can be excited about, not vice versa.

EDIT: Watching it again I understand the point he was trying to make, but the part about the atmosphere on Saturday not being what it needed to be still rubs me wrong.

the crowd on Sunday was brutal. There were a lot of empty seats, and the student section was especially terrible, as they didn't even come close to filling up that area. The crowd was just dead in general, even though it was a pretty close back and forth game.

[casualfan]

the crowd on Sunday was brutal. There were a lot of empty seats, and the student section was especially terrible, as they didn't even come close to filling up that area. The crowd was just dead in general, even though it was a pretty close back and forth game.

I mean the team is fading pretty hard.

It'd be great if we had 10k diehards that showed up to every game regardless of the circumstances, but we aren't there yet.

Like I said I had no issue with the comments other than him ragging on the crowd from this past game. Just not sure what he hopes to accomplish bringing that up.

Ask for support all you want. Just don't rag on the people who paid good money to come watch you play.

[GetUp5]

I gotta be honest this one rubbed me the wrong way:

https://twitter.com/PBrennanENQ/status/836667117021900800

I live out of town so I don't make it to a ton of games and I wasn't there Saturday to know if the crowd was weak, but I've never really been a fan of coaches getting on the fans and asking them to provide a better atmosphere.

Your job as a coach is to put a product on the court people can be excited about, not vice versa.

EDIT: Watching it again I understand the point he was trying to make, but the part about the atmosphere on Saturday not being what it needed to be still rubs me wrong.

Have to strongly disagree with you here. The crowd on Sunday was pretty pathetic. Product of losing 4 in a row? You betcha. But it has to be frustrating as a coach to finally come home after a grueling road trip and to have to now prove yourselves to your home fans again. Generally, you're right. Win games and people will be excited. But, I think the Xavier basketball program has earned the right to get the benefit of the doubt here. Are we going to win a National Championship? No. But sometimes keeping the conference winning record streak alive, making the NCAAs and moving onto next season without more setbacks is a positive thing, too.

Gotta take the good with the bad as a fan. I'll be there Wednesday and just as into the game as I would be if we were #1. Xavier has earned that.

[BMoreX]

No issue with what he said. It's senior night, last home game of the year, show up and be loud. Still a tournament team.

Also no issue with the "criticism" (if you want to call it that) of Sunday. On TV, it sounded dead.

[XUMIOH12]

I mean the team is fading pretty hard.

It'd be great if we had 10k diehards that showed up to every game regardless of the circumstances, but we aren't there yet.

Like I said I had no issue with the comments other than him ragging on the crowd from this past game. Just not sure what he hopes to accomplish bringing that up.

Ask for support all you want. Just don't rag on the people who paid good money to come watch you play.

I mean it was a weekend afternoon game against a "rival" team that probably would have sealed our tournament bid if we won. The biggest issue was that the students just didn't show up. It was pretty pathetic in general.

[XMuskieFTW]

I've only been to a handful of home games since I graduated in 2013 including Sunday, but that was probably the most pathetic atmosphere I've ever witnessed in Cintas. I went to multiple road games last year that had better pro X atmospheres than that game. Student section had 100+ empty seats at tipoff. It was embarrassing.

[casualfan]

I've only been to a handful of home games since I graduated in 2013 including Sunday, but that was probably the most pathetic atmosphere I've ever witnessed in Cintas. I went to multiple road games last year that had better pro X atmospheres than that game. Student section had 100+ empty seats at tipoff. It was embarrassing.

Devil's advocate: How many teams coming off a 4 game losing streak would realistically expect to play in front of a loud energetic fanbase?

[xufan2434]

Agree with most here. Was pretty disappointed with the atmosphere Sunday. They folded down the stretch, but the game still had it's moments where the crowd could have shown a little more. And the fact that it was Butler makes it all that much more worse. Win that game and the feeling around the team is probably a little (not a ton) better than right now.

People can't rag on UC fans for not showing up for years, then just abandon X when they hit a skid because of some unfortunate events. That's completely hypocritical. I was at the Marquette game, and that BS at the beginning that put em in a major hole still has me ticked. Would be nice to get to some payback tomorrow night

[xufan2434]

Devil's advocate: How many teams coming off a 4 game losing streak would realistically expect to play in front of a loud energetic fanbase?

If that game had been against Dayton in say 2007, and X had been playing like crap lately.. Would the crowd have been the same?

[XMuskieFTW]

Devil's advocate: How many teams coming off a 4 game losing streak would realistically expect to play in front of a loud energetic fanbase?

When it's a basketball school, you fill your stadium every game, you're playing a top 20 team, and you're still in a tournament position, I would say most. In fact I think it's even more of a reason for the fan base to be loud. Finally get a home game after a tough road trip. The fans should have been chomping at the bit.

[casualfan]

If that game had been against Dayton in say 2007, and X had been playing like crap lately.. Would the crowd have been the same?

Had we lost 4 games in a row at some point in '07 sure.

I mean go back and look at the first page of this thread. The second post is wondering if we had 7000 people in the stands for a game in 2013.

[GoMuskies]

I gotta be honest this one rubbed me the wrong way:

https://twitter.com/PBrennanENQ/status/836667117021900800


It pisses me off that our "beat writer" has some fucking soccer background on his Twitter. I assume that's what rubbed you the wrong way, too?

[xufan2434]

Had we lost 4 games in a row at some point in '07 sure.

I mean go back and look at the first page of this thread. The second post is wondering if we had 7000 people in the stands for a game in 2013.

My point is that Butler is supposed to be their 2nd biggest rival now after UC and the main one of the conference. If the fans can't get up for that then it's a problem. They would have for sure still shown up for UD regardless. 2013 was a crap year, I agree. But this team is nowhere near that team. They're still as of today projected to make the tournament.

Whole thing seems hypocritical to me considering how much "pride" X fans seem to use around Cincy about their attendance and loyalty

[scoscox]

I thought the crowd was on its feet and loud early during the game when we took the lead, tied the game, or made it close. Only problem is that whenever that happened Butler hit a huge shot or we made a stupid play/turned it over. That tends to be deflating. The team also doesn't inspire confidence that they're gonna pull games out right now or finish strongly. On top of that, I think the official attendance was above 100% capacity, so I'm not totally on board with the criticism. A crazier arena is always the goal, but I'd like to see more focus on not turning the ball over, playing better defense, and hitting free throws before I hear any criticism of Cintas, which is still selling out every game.

[GetUp5]

Devil's advocate: How many teams coming off a 4 game losing streak would realistically expect to play in front of a loud energetic fanbase?

Get out of here with that. We aren't UC.

Xavier has earned the right to ask fans to create a hostile environment every game.

[GetUp5]

I thought the crowd was on its feet and loud early during the game when we took the lead, tied the game, or made it close. Only problem is that whenever that happened Butler hit a huge shot or we made a stupid play/turned it over. That tends to be deflating. The team also doesn't inspire confidence that they're gonna pull games out right now or finish strongly. On top of that, I think the official attendance was above 100% capacity, so I'm not totally on board with the criticism. A crazier arena is always the goal, but I'd like to see more focus on not turning the ball over, playing better defense, and hitting free throws before I hear any criticism of Cintas, which is still selling out every game.

I'm sure Coach Mack spent the last 2 days telling the team they lost because of the lack of atmosphere in the arena. C'mon man. They're working on that stuff. Every day. All he's asking is for the "loyal" fans to show up, support the team for 2 freakin' hours and have some energy. If you're that down on them, give your tickets away to someone who isn't such a front runner.

[markchal]

I thought the crowd was on its feet and loud early during the game when we took the lead, tied the game, or made it close. Only problem is that whenever that happened Butler hit a huge shot or we made a stupid play/turned it over. That tends to be deflating.

I really agree with this. I told my friend at the game that it didn't feel like a great atmosphere, but I did think the fans weren't bad, and did respond pretty well after some big plays, we just could not stop Butler from scoring at will, which really deflated the atmosphere there. I also wonder if it being an odd time/day played a role in it as well. Something seemed a little off, but nothing that warranted a critique from Mack.

[casualfan]

Get out of here with that. We aren't UC.

Xavier has earned the right to ask fans to create a hostile environment every game.

It's a simple question.

If you've got an answer let's hear it...

[scoscox]

I'm sure Coach Mack spent the last 2 days telling the team they lost because of the lack of atmosphere in the arena. C'mon man. They're working on that stuff. Every day. All he's asking is for the "loyal" fans to show up, support the team for 2 freakin' hours and have some energy. If you're that down on them, give your tickets away to someone who isn't such a front runner.

Why publicly single out the crowd for criticism after a game that sold out, especially when the team royally collapsed down the stretch? I was up and cheering loudly throughout the game along with most of my section and will be tomorrow. For the coach to come out and essentially say I was a part of the problem is a slap in the face. The team passing the ball the directly to non-Xavier players 6 times in the last 2 minutes of the game is a problem. My enthusiasm is not tempered at all, this is just a stupid thing to say.

[GetUp5]

Why publicly single out the crowd for criticism after a game that sold out, especially when the team royally collapsed down the stretch? I was up and cheering loudly throughout the game along with most of my section and will be tomorrow. For the coach to come out and essentially say I was a part of the problem is a slap in the face. The team passing the ball the directly to non-Xavier players 6 times in the last 2 minutes of the game is a problem. My enthusiasm is not tempered at all, this is just a stupid thing to say.

If you're offended by what he said, I can't help you.

[GetUp5]

It's a simple question.

If you've got an answer let's hear it...

Butler and Dayton for a start....

[casualfan]

Butler and Dayton for a start....

Wrong.

Both of their last 4 game losing streaks came in '13-'14. Neither one sold out their next home game (Butler was really bad at not even 75% full).

Who else you got?

[XMuskieFTW]

It's not like it was just this game. The lack of atmosphere has been a recurring theme. When we played Seton Hall, Cintas was a morgue. First game after the Ed injury and the crowd gave little to no energy to feed off of. And that was a game we won. It shouldn't take UC or Nova coming in our building to get loud. I specifically remember JP hitting a 3 Sunday that either tied it or put us up 1 towards the end of the first half and the response was a smattering of clapping. This has been a season long trend and I just don't understand it.

[XMuskieFTW]

Wrong.

Both of their last 4 game losing streaks came in '13-'14. Neither one sold out their next home game (Butler was really bad at not even 75% full).

Who else you got?

Uhh Dayton was 99% full and Butler was a 14-17 team. Not a tournament team.

[markchal]

It's not like it was just this game. The lack of atmosphere has been a recurring theme.

Wrong. I was at Seton Hall and remember it being a pretty good crowd for a 9pm wed game and Mack has, several times this year, gone out of his way to praise the crowd.

I don't think it's some recurring thing. It's probably related to the dumpster fire of a season we're having, but it's not some program pervasive thing. It's a little disappointing if the student section wasn't full, since that should be a strong constant IMO, but I don't think we should make this bigger than it is. I think Mack knows they need all the help they can get Wednesday and he's just making that plea (maybe not in the best way) to make sure it's as loud as we can be Wed.

[XMuskieFTW]

Wrong. I was at Seton Hall and remember it being a pretty good crowd for a 9pm wed game and Mack has, several times this year, gone out of his way to praise the crowd.

I don't think it's some recurring thing. It's probably related to the dumpster fire of a season we're having, but it's not some program pervasive thing. It's a little disappointing if the student section wasn't full, since that should be a strong constant IMO, but I don't think we should make this bigger than it is. I think Mack knows they need all the help they can get Wednesday and he's just making that plea (maybe not in the best way) to make sure it's as loud as we can be Wed.

Guess we have different definitions of pretty good crowd.

[casualfan]

Uhh Dayton was 99% full and Butler was a 14-17 team. Not a tournament team.

I can't control the examples he gives.

You got any?

[XMuskieFTW]

I can't control the examples he gives.

You got any?

Can't think of any top programs coming home with 4 game losing streaks off the top of my head, but I'd be willing to bet that if they had great atmospheres and sell outs before the losing streak, that wouldn't change in a two week period.

[scoscox]

I'm pretty sure it was a sell out. Actually I think they sold standing room only tickets.

[casualfan]

I'm pretty sure it was a sell out. Actually I think they sold standing room only tickets.

It was and they did.

[casualfan]

Can't think of any top programs coming home with 4 game losing streaks off the top of my head, but I'd be willing to bet that if they had great atmospheres and sell outs before the losing streak, that wouldn't change in a two week period.

The game was a sellout.

[scoscox]

It was and they did.

Over 100% capacity seems like solid turnout to me.

[xufan2434]

The official attendance is based on tickets sold right? Not the actual tickets used to enter the building? I'm genuinely asking because I can't remember.

That place did not feel or look sold out based on actual people in the building.

[casualfan]

The official attendance is based on tickets sold right? Not the actual tickets used to enter the building? I'm genuinely asking because I can't remember.

That place did not feel or look sold out based on actual people in the building.

There are three methods you can use to report attendance numbers.

Im not sure which one we use.

[GetUp5]

You were not at the game Sunday. You will not be at the game tomorrow. But, you're a subject matter expert on said topic. Got it.

I can't fathom ever being mad at a coach saying "Hey it was probably our fault because we didn't play our best, but the energy in the building wasn't really where it needed to be. We're struggling and we'd love your full support."

[casualfan]

You were not at the game Sunday. You will not be at the game tomorrow. But, you're a subject matter expert on said topic. Got it.

I can't fathom ever being mad at a coach saying "Hey it was probably our fault because we didn't play our best, but the energy in the building wasn't really where it needed to be. We're struggling and we'd love your full support."

I take that as an admission you dont have any examples?

And im a season ticket holder living in GA.

I fly up for a handful of games a year and give the others away to family.

[scoscox]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axrcj5Q0afQ

Even on highlights, crowd is solid. I checked again just to make sure I wasn't misremembering.

[XMuskieFTW]

The official attendance is based on tickets sold right? Not the actual tickets used to enter the building? I'm genuinely asking because I can't remember.

That place did not feel or look sold out based on actual people in the building.

It's based on tickets sold.

[XMuskieFTW]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axrcj5Q0afQ

Even on highlights, crowd is solid. I checked again just to make sure I wasn't misremembering.

So the crowd cheered in some capacity immediately following us making shots. Was that video supposed to be a barometer on anything?

[scoscox]

The official attendance is based on tickets sold right? Not the actual tickets used to enter the building? I'm genuinely asking because I can't remember.

That place did not feel or look sold out based on actual people in the building.

Yes it is, so you've got to take every figure with a grain of salt, but selling SRO's is a good sign that a sell-out is legit.

[casualfan]

So the crowd cheered in some capacity immediately following us making shots. Was that video supposed to be a barometer on anything?


Yeah, i mean if you want to prove the crowd was engaged a video of it cheering after a Butler made shot is the way to go.

[scoscox]

So the crowd cheered in some capacity immediately following us making shots. Was that video supposed to be a barometer on anything?

Nothing other than to show that it was indeed a packed house. It's hard to judge crowd noise on video, so that's not what I was going for, but the crowd was cheering to exhort the team's comeback on a few occasions and there was certainly plenty of noise directed at the refs as well, so the crowd noise was not limited to made baskets.

[XMuskieFTW]

Yeah, i mean if you want to prove the crowd was engaged a video of it cheering after a Butler made shot is the way to go.

Cause there's no in between. Didn't realize we were talking extremes here. The bottom line is there's zero reason Mack would mention it unless there was validity to it. He's not just pulling it out of his ass because of a losing streak. It was very apparent.

[Nigel Tufnel]

God, X needs to win tomorrow night...

[paulxu]

^

[XUMIOH12]

Yes it is, so you've got to take every figure with a grain of salt, but selling SRO's is a good sign that a sell-out is legit.

just because it was a "sell-out" with SROs, doesn't mean that everyone showed up. There were a lot of empty seats, especially in the student section. Yeah, the crowd cheered after Xavier made some big shots, but for the most part, it was pretty silent. I kind of like that Mack calls out the crowd. I mean he always seems to mention when the crowd is great, so why is it a big deal if he calls everyone out when the crowd sucks.

[D-West & PO-Z]

just because it was a "sell-out" with SROs, doesn't mean that everyone showed up. There were a lot of empty seats, especially in the student section. Yeah, the crowd cheered after Xavier made some big shots, but for the most part, it was pretty silent. I kind of like that Mack calls out the crowd. I mean he always seems to mention when the crowd is great, so why is it a big deal if he calls everyone out when the crowd sucks.

Not to mention even if everyone was there it doesnt mean they were loud.

[scoscox]

Not to mention even if everyone was there it doesnt mean they were loud.

No, but it was actually pretty loud. It would've exploded it we had ever gotten a single stop after any of our big baskets, but it just didn't happen.

[scoscox]

Probably another reason for a weak crowd was that the reffing was awful. It hurt us a lot in some key times. The foul on Baldwin's circus shot was an awful call, then Sean gets T'd up.

[IM4X]

If you're offended by what he said, I can't help you.

I see those poster's point though- Why would Chris even consider including criticism of the very people from whom he is looking to get support. He should have realized there was nothing to gain by criticizing the fans. Jay Wright would never do that kind of thing. Just simply say,

"Xavier fans, I know we've been struggling a bit. Thank you for hanging in there. I promise you we are working our tails off in practice and we're ready to give our best against Marquette. We're going to need the best from you too... Hope to see the biggest and loudest crowd ever on Wednesday. We are very appreciative of all your support. Let's go X!

[GetUp5]

I see those poster's point though- Why would Chris even consider including criticism of the very people from whom he is looking to get support. He should have realized there was nothing to gain by criticizing the fans. Jay Wright would never do that kind of thing. Just simply say,

"Xavier fans, I know we've been struggling a bit. Thank you for hanging in there. I promise you we are working our tails off in practice and we're ready to give our best against Marquette. We're going to need the best from you too... Hope to see the biggest and loudest crowd ever on Wednesday. We are very appreciative of all your support. Let's go X!

Before you split hairs, that's basically what he said.... I don't want to start the debate back up, but the crowd was NOT a good crowd Sunday BY CINTAS CENTER standards. Nothing Coach Mack said was factually inaccurate.

[casualfan]

Before you split hairs, that's basically what he said.... I don't want to start the debate back up, but the crowd was NOT a good crowd Sunday BY CINTAS CENTER standards. Nothing Coach Mack said was factually inaccurate.

Saying things that are true doesn't mean you should have said them.

I have a lot of buddies with fat wives, but I don't run around telling them "Man, your wife is fat" and then responding with "Well, it's true ¯\_(ツ)_/¯"

[GetUp5]

Saying things that are true doesn't mean you should have said them.

I have a lot of buddies with fat wives, but I don't run around telling them "Man, your wife is fat" and then responding with "Well, it's true ¯\_(ツ)_/¯"

"It didn't feel like the atmosphere was what it needed to be Sunday."

I can't believe he said that! #triggered

(Find new friends)

[casualfan]

"It didn't feel like the atmosphere was what it needed to be Sunday."

I can't believe he said that! #triggered

(Find new friends)

I should find new friends because their wives are overweight?

Man, you seem like a great guy!

[GetUp5]

I should find new friends because their wives are overweight?

Man, you seem like a great guy!

Jesus. You're a real stick in the mud. Laugh.

[Juice]

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Hopefully Charlie Murphy can win that rematch up in Heaven with Prince. Hilarious dude, unfortunate to be gone that early, plus leukemia is just miserable.

[paulxu]

Not sure what is good or bad (or actually correct) about all these tweets.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/26/espn-to-lay-off-100-people-including-tv-reporters-source-says.html

[XUFan09]

Didn't Jeff Goodman just arrive like a year or two ago from CBS Sports?

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[GoMuskies]

ESPN sucks when it comes to doing anything other than showing actual sporting events. They were (over)due for something like this. They should fill about 90% of the day with replays of NBA games from the '80s, table tennis and steeplechase. It would improve the network's program immensely and immediately.

[MuskieXU]

Didn't Jeff Goodman just arrive like a year or two ago from CBS Sports?

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That tweet was from a fake account. Goodman is still at ESPN, at least as of me writing this.

[paulxu]

A while ago a fake Goodman account caused a dust up for a couple days.
That's why I wasn't sure of all the tweets in that article.

[Juice]

ESPN sucks when it comes to doing anything other than showing actual sporting events. They were (over)due for something like this. They should fill about 90% of the day with replays of NBA games from the '80s, table tennis and steeplechase. It would improve the network's program immensely and immediately.

The problem is they're firing the people who actually cover sports and not the people who cover "the issues surrounding sports" like the Kapernick shit.

[GoMuskies]

They're not firing many people who actually call games. These people are reporters/columnists mostly from what I've seen. Their live sports product isn't worse because these people disappear.

[Juice]

They're not firing many people who actually call games. These people are reporters/columnists mostly from what I've seen. Their live sports product isn't worse because these people disappear.

No I agree with you. I was more referring to you saying that they suck at everything other than showing actual sports. I was making a point on why they suck.

[GoMuskies]

Fair enough. To your point, this means MORE Steven A., Woody Paige and their ilk, it seems.

[Drew]

ESPN layoffs are 100% due to cord-cutters. Every cable channel is getting hit ESPN just happens to be the largest channel out there. They are also on the hook for various sports rights for years to come.

[XMuskieFTW]

ESPN layoffs are 100% due to cord-cutters. Every cable channel is getting hit ESPN just happens to be the largest channel out there. They are also on the hook for various sports rights for years to come.

Definitely not the only reason. Their product is stale.

[GetUp5]

Definitely not the only reason. Their product is stale.

Wrong. If they were letting people go because the product was stale, they'd let go of the higher profile employees, not the writers.

This is 100% due to cord-cutters and ESPNs flawed business model.

[deepX]

Given all the writers that are now in the market for jobs, Katie Little, the CNBC staff writer, may want to brush up on the difference between "employers" and "employees".
"Some employers posted on Twitter the news that they would be leaving the channel." ESPN is the employer and the people losing their jobs are employees.
-DeepX

[XMuskieFTW]

Wrong. If they were letting people go because the product was stale, they'd let go of the higher profile employees, not the writers.

This is 100% due to cord-cutters and ESPNs flawed business model.

All I know is I used to be able to watch sportscenter reruns for hours and be entertained and now aside from SVP on occasion, I cannot stomach their coverage. It's a bad product.

[Juice]

Fair enough. To your point, this means MORE Steven A., Woody Paige and their ilk, it seems.

No I'm saying that those types along with Jemele Hill, Sarah Spain, etc. who need to remind everyone why they're a shitty person for not supporting their political views every day of the week.

[Juice]

https://twitter.com/bustedcoverage/status/857277376438390784

[X-band '01]

No I'm saying that those types along with Jemele Hill, Sarah Spain, etc. who need to remind everyone why they're a shitty person for not supporting their political views every day of the week.

It's true that I don't care for the MSESPN style shows, but I'm not going to be watching similar shows on FS1, either.

I know there are also some radio shows (Mike and Mike, Boomer and Carton, Dan Patrick, etc.) that make for somewhat better TV simulcasts depending on their crews. It's a shame that Jim Rome's radio show doesn't do TV simulcasts outside of Super Bowl week.

[Juice]

It's true that I don't care for the MSESPN style shows, but I'm not going to be watching similar shows on FS1, either.

I know there are also some radio shows (Mike and Mike, Boomer and Carton, Dan Patrick, etc.) that make for somewhat better TV simulcasts depending on their crews. It's a shame that Jim Rome's radio show doesn't do TV simulcasts outside of Super Bowl week.

I don't watch those either. Jamie Horowitz (I believe that's his name) left ESPN for FS1 and is the one that put together the Skip and Sharpe show and the Cowherd and Whitlock show.

[GetUp5]

All I know is I used to be able to watch sportscenter reruns for hours and be entertained and now aside from SVP on occasion, I cannot stomach their coverage. It's a bad product.

The programming is awful, don't get me wrong. But axing people because they recognize the programming is awful would be a whole different story. Honestly, MSESPN is basically doubling down on the leftist movement by cutting all the good content writers and keeping the turds like #TheSix. The last ratings that came out for #TheSix showed only about 330,000 households watched it. That's incredibly, incredibly low.

[Masterofreality]

ESPN sucks when it comes to doing anything other than showing actual sporting events. They were (over)due for something like this. They should fill about 90% of the day with replays of NBA games from the '80s, table tennis and steeplechase. It would improve the network's program immensely and immediately.

As soon as ESPN lost the Big East to Fox, their demise was assured. Requiem for who? #Karma

[X-band '01]

Anyone remember when ESPN had a miniseries called Playmakers? It was about a fictional NFL team that was deemed unrealistic by the NFL. Something about teammates failing drug tests, beating their wives, guys getting outed as gay by their lovers, etc.

[Juice]

Anyone remember when ESPN had a miniseries called Playmakers? It was about a fictional NFL team that was deemed unrealistic by the NFL. Something about teammates failing drug tests, beating their wives, guys getting outed as gay by their lovers, etc.

Yeah. I remember watching it when I was a freshman in college. One guy was smoking crack before games. The star veteran hit his wife or something. It was absurd show but kind of entertaining.

[blueblob06]

Playmakers was awesome. Didn't the NFL get pissed and basically coerce them into canceling the series?

[STL_XUfan]

All I know is I used to be able to watch sportscenter reruns for hours and be entertained and now aside from SVP on occasion, I cannot stomach their coverage. It's a bad product.

15 years ago sportscenter was the only reliable place to find actual highlights of games, especially if you were an out of market fan. Now I can see Cardinal's highlights in Cincinnati in real time via the espn app, twitter, mlb.tv, and a host of other locations (all without the need for a cable subscription). Advances in technology have made a dedicated sports highlight show obsolete except as background noise in a waiting room or restaurant.

[X-band '01]

Playmakers was awesome. Didn't the NFL get pissed and basically coerce them into canceling the series?

Yes they did. ESPN cowed to their pressure and pulled the plug on the series after one season.

But one thing is certain - ESPN won't be able to throw nearly as much money at the NFL as they did when they renewed their TV contract for Monday Night Football and a Wild Card game. Either another network will outbid them or the NFL (and other pro leagues) may be in for a rude awakening the next time their round of TV deals are re-negotiated. That should also be a warning sign for the Big East and other conferences when their rights deals are renewed. The Big East has 6 more years on their current TV deal with Fox.

[xufan2434]

Yes they did. ESPN cowed to their pressure and pulled the plug on the series after one season.

But one thing is certain - ESPN won't be able to throw nearly as much money at the NFL as they did when they renewed their TV contract for Monday Night Football and a Wild Card game. Either another network will outbid them or the NFL (and other pro leagues) may be in for a rude awakening the next time their round of TV deals are re-negotiated. That should also be a warning sign for the Big East and other conferences when their rights deals are renewed. The Big East has 6 more years on their current TV deal with Fox.

The NFL told them they couldn't bid on MNF if they continued to air Playmakers. ESPN cancelled the show, got MNF the next year. And yeah I agree with you on the contracts. The amount of money for MNF is absurd and it runs through 2022 I believe. The ratings keep dropping and the costs are going up. And they're under contract so there's nothing they can do. NFL is cashing in now but it will for sure be cheaper by the time that contract is up

[chico]

15 years ago sportscenter was the only reliable place to find actual highlights of games, especially if you were an out of market fan. Now I can see Cardinal's highlights in Cincinnati in real time via the espn app, twitter, mlb.tv, and a host of other locations (all without the need for a cable subscription). Advances in technology have made a dedicated sports highlight show obsolete except as background noise in a waiting room or restaurant.

Exactly. What ESPN was to the newspaper is now what digital is to ESPN. SportsCenter used to be the lynchpin of that network but it's no longer a sustainable business model.

[xu95]

I pretty much quit watching ESPN once Xavier joined the BE. The only thing I watch on there now are the few Xavier games played on there and Alabama football. So maybe 8 times a year.

[paulxu]

Jeff Goodman
‏Verified account @GoodmanESPN
4h4 hours ago

If Louisville loses, interim AD Vince Tyra should come over and scout Xavier coach Chris Mack.
32 replies 19 retweets 67 likes

[SteveSpivery]

link to Goodman tweet (https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/971802705453821953)

[pimpinthebox]

I read that yesterday and was stunned he put that out there. Very strange tweet considering his tie to Mack.

[GIMMFD]

I read that yesterday and was stunned he put that out there. Very strange tweet considering his tie to Mack.

Leverage for more money from Xavier maybe??

[JTG]

We don't even get to enjoy the rest of this season before this shit starts ? F off Goodman.

[atljar]

Wasnt it Goodman in the past that also was making a bunch of Chris Mack comments, maybe with Cal? I remember the end consensus being that he was just trying to help a brother get paid!

[GIMMFD]

Wasnt it Goodman in the past that also was making a bunch of Chris Mack comments, maybe with Cal? I remember the end consensus being that he was just trying to help a brother get paid!

Georgetown, but correct, that's why I thought it might be leverage for more money again, but then again, we know how much everybody has a Louisville and Mack love fest going on.

[xu82]

Correct, I do NOT love that tweet AT ALL!

[drudy23]

Was does Goodman care where Mack coaches?

[Xavier]

Leverage for more money from Xavier maybe??

That and he is the best candidate for the job. I have no doubt that Louisville will go after Mack as the number one option. No clue if he will take it, but beyond his ties to Louisville, fresh off Big East COY award, offensive minded coach....I think they would love to have him and the fanbase would be happy with it.

[xavierj]

That and he is the best candidate for the job. I have no doubt that Louisville will go after Mack as the number one option. No clue if he will take it, but beyond his ties to Louisville, fresh off Big East COY award, offensive minded coach....I think they would love to have him and the fanbase would be happy with it.

I need someone to fill me in on his Louisville ties? Is there something other than that is where his wife is from? Does he wear Louisville ties? Does he have deep desire to Live in the river city? Big horse fan? Other than money I don’t get it unless his wife (UD grad) is really homesick.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I need someone to fill me in on his Louisville ties? Is there something other than that is where his wife is from? Does he wear Louisville ties? Does he have deep desire to Live in the river city? Big horse fan? Other than money I don’t get it unless his wife (UD grad) is really homesick.

I think what has people worried is a combo of it is his wife's hometown, where I believe her parents still live, they could pay him double what he makes at X, the facilities and history are fantastic, and after all that it is still a very close drive to his hometown and his parents.

If Louisville didnt have this scandal over their head I would be absolutely terrified. Now I am worried, but I feel much better about Mack staying at X.

[mistabeecee41]

grass ain't greener, chief

if mack isn't our mark few/jay wright,we're in big trouble.

[Xavier]

grass ain't greener, chief

if mack isn't our mark few/jay wright,we're in big trouble.

Yeah, same thing was said about Sean. It would sting but "big trouble" is a bit much.

[bleedXblue]

You can make your own legend and create your own destiny playing in a great league at your Alma Mater. Or, you can be just another coach who will never live up to Crum or Pitino and be under massive pressure to win big.

I just don't see why he would go that route if X can step up his pay and extend his contract. He should be paid market value for his talent level. 2.5-3 MM /yr

[AviatorX]

You can make your own legend and create your own destiny playing in a great league at your Alma Mater. Or, you can be just another coach who will never live up to Crum or Pitino and be under massive pressure to win big.

I just don't see why he would go that route if X can step up his pay and extend his contract. He should be paid market value for his talent level. 2.5-3 MM /yr

Think this is right but that 3 mil number is a rather big if.

[GIMMFD]

Think this is right but that 3 mil number is a rather big if.

Don't worry, I donated $1.50 specifically under the premise it goes to Mack's contract.

[bleedXblue]

Think this is right but that 3 mil number is a rather big if.

Why?

Xavier is making plenty of dough. They cant cough up another mil? Hes already at 1.6 MM Plus the Sedler money.....

[xudash]

My only "contribution" to this discussion: NCAAT Unit revenue is cranking up. We should have greater capacity to pay, notwithstanding other AD needs.

[AviatorX]

Why?

Xavier is making plenty of dough. They cant cough up another mil? Hes already at 1.6 MM Plus the Sedler money.....

I mean...I don't have any real insight...but I also don't think X has been holding back on Mack's salary.

[X Factor]

Don't worry, I donated $1.50 specifically under the premise it goes to Mack's contract.

That assures Mack is at Xavier for life!! Well done! :drinks2:

[Emp]

Why?

Xavier is making plenty of dough. They cant cough up another mil? Hes already at 1.6 MM Plus the Sedler money.....

And has plenty of expenses and commitments. What’s your authority for x having any kind of money sitting around to give Mack?

[bleedXblue]

And has plenty of expenses and commitments. What’s your authority for x having any kind of money sitting around to give Mack?

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2015/03/19/here-s-how-local-march-madness-teams-uc-xavier.html

This was 2015 and nothing has changed since then except maybe we are even more profitable.........

[paulxu]

Xavier brought in $11.5 million in men’s basketball revenue and spent just $5.2 million on the program in 2013-14

That's impressive.

[GIMMFD]

That's impressive.

I can only imagine what those figures look like now, you'd have to assume that they're increasing revenue steadily each year, not to mention we keep selling Cintas out.

[stammina0721]

I can only imagine what those figures look like now, you'd have to assume that they're increasing revenue steadily each year, not to mention we keep selling Cintas out.

I'm sure that profit funds every other sport that loses money though. I have no idea but money has to come from somewhere

[bleedXblue]

I'm sure that profit funds every other sport that loses money though. I have no idea but money has to come from somewhere

All other sports I am sure lose money. That's why its so important to keep the cash cow going.

[GIMMFD]

All other sports I am sure lose money. That's why its so important to keep the cash cow going.

Weird question, if the other sports make it to their respective tournaments, they get money for that right? Like when our Men's Soccer program goes to the NCAAs, or Baseball? I'm sure overall those two are pretty close to even since they seem to be relatively successful.

[bleedXblue]

Weird question, if the other sports make it to their respective tournaments, they get money for that right? Like when our Men's Soccer program goes to the NCAAs, or Baseball? I'm sure overall those two are pretty close to even since they seem to be relatively successful.

There cant be any money paid out in those sports. It's TV that enables FB and BB to earn tourney dollars. If there is any money, its quickly consumed by the costs of travel, scholarships and salaries paid for coaches etc.

[Emp]

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2015/03/19/here-s-how-local-march-madness-teams-uc-xavier.html

This was 2015 and nothing has changed since then except maybe we are even more profitable.........

Thanks. Most recently, MBB repoerted to the Dept of Education revenue of $12.7M, ,and "game day expenses"' including 147K per athlete, of $7.8M.

The report cites $4.8M in unallocated expenses, which must include the AD, SID and general Department staff and expenses.

What I don't see is the cost of Cintas operating costs, maintenance, bond retirement, the facility updates from Learmouth,. And of course to play in the BE Xavier must participate in non revenue sports.

Which is to say, It's not clear from these numbers that there is a spare $4.9 lying around to boost Mack's salary.

[xu82]

Thanks. Most recently, MBB repoerted to the Dept of Education revenue of $12.7M, ,and "game day expenses"' including 147K per athlete, of $7.8M.

The report cites $4.8M in unallocated expenses, which must include the AD, SID and general Department staff and expenses.

What I don't see is the cost of Cintas operating costs, maintenance, bond retirement, the facility updates from Learmouth,. And of course to play in the BE Xavier must participate in non revenue sports.

Which is to say, It's not clear from these numbers that there is a spare $4.9 lying around to boost Mack's salary.

Do you know what I take from all this? We must all arrive earlier to Cintas so we can start drinking beer earlier, and increase revenue. Fires up the crowd, win/win.

[XUGRAD80]

Weird question, if the other sports make it to their respective tournaments, they get money for that right? Like when our Men's Soccer program goes to the NCAAs, or Baseball? I'm sure overall those two are pretty close to even since they seem to be relatively successful.

IF they get ANY money, I’m sure it’s a pitiful amount and doesn’t even cover the expenses occurred in traveling and competeing...and many of those sports (if not all) charge the schools an entrance fee for each athlete competing. Any money coming back to the teams is probably also split up among the conference members. The conference itself also charges schools a fee for being a member. Generally the more sports a school competes in, the more they are charged by their conference. A great deal of the money that football and basketball gets is from TV and radio. How often do you see the “minor” sports being shown on the major networks? Generally the national championship games/matches are the only ones. The Big 10, SEC, PAC-10, Networks were started up so that the conferences would be able to get MORE TV money than they were already getting. They all do a pretty good job of showing the other sports, but don’t kid yourself. If they could fill all of that programing with football and basketball, they would. The money that football and basketball bring in is what usually supports all of the other athletic department costs, including the funding of the other teams.

The Big East is a MENS BASKETBALL conference as it’s PRIMARY function, and the coaches and administrators want to keep it that way. They will “support” the other sports verbally and sometimes even show up to watch another sport, but they are going to fight tooth and nail to keep as much of the money in the MENS Basketball program, as they can. Understandable in my opinion.

In addition, EVEN IF another sport does all of the extra things to raise money on their own....contests, raffles, fund raising, getting some paid attendance, etc.....to a point where they ARE profitable, that is still no guarantee that they can’t be dropped at the next round of budget cuts. Been there, had it happen...at X and UC.

[GIMMFD]

IF they get ANY money, I’m sure it’s a pitiful amount and doesn’t even cover the expenses occurred in traveling and competeing...and many of those sports (if not all) charge the schools an entrance fee for each athlete competing. Any money coming back to the teams is probably also split up among the conference members. The conference itself also charges schools a fee for being a member. Generally the more sports a school competes in, the more they are charged by their conference. A great deal of the money that football and basketball gets is from TV and radio. How often do you see the “minor” sports being shown on the major networks? Generally the national championship games/matches are the only ones. The Big 10, SEC, PAC-10, Networks were started up so that the conferences would be able to get MORE TV money than they were already getting. They all do a pretty good job of showing the other sports, but don’t kid yourself. If they could fill all of that programing with football and basketball, they would. The money that football and basketball bring in is what usually supports all of the other athletic department costs, including the funding of the other teams.

The Big East is a MENS BASKETBALL conference as it’s PRIMARY function, and the coaches and administrators want to keep it that way. They will “support” the other sports verbally and sometimes even show up to watch another sport, but they are going to fight tooth and nail to keep as much of the money in the MENS Basketball program, as they can. Understandable in my opinion.

In addition, EVEN IF another sport does all of the extra things to raise money on their own....contests, raffles, fund raising, getting some paid attendance, etc.....to a point where they ARE profitable, that is still no guarantee that they can’t be dropped at the next round of budget cuts. Been there, had it happen...at X and UC.

Very very well written and explained, appreciate that. I didn't know exactly how it functioned, and it makes a lot more sense now. Do you think there could ever be a Big East Network for all sports? Has that come up in talks or anything? I genuinely don't know.

[X-band '01]

There is the Big East Digital Network in place right now - they televise a number of games from women's basketball, men's and women's soccer, volleyball, baseball and championships for other Olympic sports.

If you haven't followed him yet on Twitter, John Fanta is a must-see guy for BEDN. Even MOR won't hold his St. Ignatius background against him.

[XUGRAD80]

these networks want to be carried on as many cable/satellite providers as they can. The bigger networks already have a national presence on many of the providers platforms, but generally the consumer pays extra for those services...Big 10, SEC, etc....as part of a Sports Package. I don't know that the Big East network is available here in the Cincinnati market, but I would assume it is easily available in the major northeastern markets. That money will in part funnel back to the BE schools athletic coffers. I imagine it is then left up to the schools themselves to decide how to spend that money. Of course, along the way the cable providers, the network providers, the conference administration, all take a cut of the pie.

Also keep in mind that all of the schools must dote out the money to the various programs while still working within Title IX guidelines that basically say the money must be equally spent between mens and womens sports programs. One of the reasons for rowing, field hockey, womens lacrosse, womens rugby and other such sports being ADDED at many schools, while many mens sports have been CUT, or had their scholarship allotment and budgets drastically cut. An interesting outcome of this has been the rise in WOMEN'S WRESTLING on the collegiate level AND on the High School level. Unheard of 40 years ago, but now with its own state HS and national Collegiate Championships, along with being added to the Olympic Games in recent years. A sport where even if they do not compete on an equal basis against other regularly, they often train and travel together. Can anyone imagine the mens and womens basketball teams practicing together? Traveling together? Competing Together? Someday that might just be the norm. Never say never.

[Emp]

There is the Big East Digital Network in place right now - they televise a number of games from women's basketball, men's and women's soccer, volleyball, baseball and championships for other Olympic sports.

If you haven't followed him yet on Twitter, John Fanta is a must-see guy for BEDN. Even MOR won't hold his St. Ignatius background against him.

They played his clips at MSG during breaks and halftime. Seems to have great rapport with the players. A really funny segment with Cooley and Providence bakeries. ��

[XU '11]

There cant be any money paid out in those sports. It's TV that enables FB and BB to earn tourney dollars. If there is any money, its quickly consumed by the costs of travel, scholarships and salaries paid for coaches etc.

The NCAA covers the cost of travel to its championship events. That’s only money schools gets from the NCAA for Olympic sports.

[Masterofreality]

There is the Big East Digital Network in place right now - they televise a number of games from women's basketball, men's and women's soccer, volleyball, baseball and championships for other Olympic sports.

If you haven't followed him yet on Twitter, John Fanta is a must-see guy for BEDN. Even MOR won't hold his St. Ignatius background against him.

Hey, Man. I love John. We know the family. His Uncle was our Assistant Pastor for a while.
John is good people- even for a Seton Hall guy- and so are the Fantas.

[X-band '01]

What surprised me was that he graduated last year from Seton Hall - I had no idea he was that young.

[bobbiemcgee]

Shannon Russell
‏

@slrussell

.@jpmacura took an elbow to the face at practice and has a a black eye (left eye). Macura said he didn't "remember" who did it but jokingly promised to "get 'em back."
1:38 PM - 15 Mar 2018

[xu82]

Shannon Russell
‏

@slrussell

.@jpmacura took an elbow to the face at practice and has a a black eye (left eye). Macura said he didn't "remember" who did it but jokingly promised to "get 'em back."
1:38 PM - 15 Mar 2018

I’m sure there’s a long list of opponents who wish they were the the one’s to give him the shiner!

[GoMuskies]

Kelly Dickey
@RealCardGame
Louisville is the first school ever to entice a 1-seed’s head coach to leave his current job for the same position at another college.

10:58 AM - Mar 28, 2018

[Masterofreality]

Kelly Dickey
@RealCardGame
Louisville is the first school ever to entice a 1-seed’s head coach to leave his current job for the same position at another college.

10:58 AM - Mar 28, 2018

"Entice" Isn't that what hookers do?

[Olsingledigit]

Well we seem to be great on firsts for this one. Dumpster ��

[xudash]

Well we seem to be great on firsts for this one. Dumpster ��

I would rather have that first associated with us versus the first that Virginia achieved.

Besides, what it means is that we have a program that is capable of achieving a 1 Seed. It's simply cannot match football money, while having all the other key program attributes.

[SemajParlor]

https://twitter.com/jeffgreer_cj/status/979095600993095681?s=12

[Xville]

https://twitter.com/jeffgreer_cj/status/979095600993095681?s=12

Speaking in absolutes...pretty stupid of him.

[kane79]

2275
Speaking in absolutes...pretty stupid of him.

[waggy]

Speaking in absolutes...pretty stupid of him.


Yeah hopefully his new employer offers direct deposit cause I doubt he could get his check into his account otherwise.